The Hidden Shortcut Passages of Lyon
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The old town of Lyon is famous for what its residents call "Traboules": secret shortcuts and passageways, hidden behind closed doors, and known only to locals. So I went to Lyon and opened a door...
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Map I used to find the traboules:
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Accessible traboules (info translated from lyon-france.com):
- 54 rue Saint-Jean (La Longue Traboule): Heavy door and narrow passageways but the first two courtyards are otherwise accessible. The rest of the traboule has a few steps, so you may need to turn round at the second courtyard.
- 27 rue Saint-Jean: heavy door again, but the first two courtyards are accessible. A large step makes it difficult to exit the other side.
- 22 rue Saint-Jean: the first courtyard is accessible.
- 10 rue Lainerie: again, there's a heavy door, but beyond that the courtyard is accessible and features a beautiful spiral staircase in one corner.
Lyon - The only city where getting into traboule for opening other people's front doors is a good thing.
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Trouble = traboule 🤣🤣🤣
@@RomanoPRODUCTION Dont explain it
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In Scotland a Traboul is called a Close or a Closey, if a Close goes under a building or an arch it is called a Pende, closes usually come off of main streets and lead to court yards, closes are historically residential areas but I the modern age you can find many hidden cafes and bars in the closeys of Edinburgh, well worth exploring the ones in Edinburgh
Riddle's Close is my fave.
So Lyon isn't the only way to get into traboule.
Smaller Towns like Perth, Elgin and Montrose also have Closeys that are worth exploring
@@professorpodcast3029 In my home town Perth, they're called "Vennels", which I have just discovered comes from the old French word venelle meaning “alley” or “lane”. They are called: Cow Vennel, Baxter’s Vennel, Fleshers Vennel, Water Vennel, Cutlog Vennel, Oliphant Vennel, Meal Vennel and Guard Vennel!
@@RustyPetterson Fun Fact, Baxters means Bakers
Brilliant, and fascinating as always 👏
Did you hear that from 5:00 to 5:30 song trouble played on piano is in the background?Cool easteregg isn't it?
So cool.
Tim: "The traboules!"
Northern Irish viewers: *NERVIOUS TWITCH*
XD
explain!
@@Macarite en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
@@Macarite northern Ireland was in a conflict until the late 1990s called the troubles
I just knew there’d be an Irish traboules joke. I’m not disappointed 😂👍
Imagine being a local on your way to the patisserie for your breakfast to find Tim lurking around in the alleyway.
There are worse people I could imagine lurking in an alleyway than a charismatic and seemingly friendly RUclipsr :)
He once did a video almost right outside my front door, so I'd be used to it.
When it comes to traboules, they are mostly visited by students, tourists or locals who make the visit with relatives from other parts of the country. If you're carrying something, traboules aren't great because you often need to open doors etc. In practice there are few actually useful traboules for locals, and those are used by everyone anyway.
As a side note, in France we don't eat patisseries for breakfast, but viennoiseries (croissants, pains au chocolat...). Pâtisseries are for dessert or goûter (teatime snack).
Every morning I take traboules to go to the boulangerie before going to work… that’s so cliché
@Samson Holdsworth haha, a generic joke about french food. almost laughed.
Where have I heard that wolf Alice music used before … 😋
Yes! I knew there had to be some reason I started about trains halfway through.
#ChooseTraboule
Well for me it's because I must have heard the album it's off a million times.
silk.. a beautiful song that made for a brilliant moment in that certain aptly named sequel 🧡
Hello, Geoff. Love your stuff too.
These shortcuts should help me shave some time off my Lyon speedrun attempts.
just be sure to stay quiet 😉
Glitchless any%?
inb4 Assassin's Creed Traboule
They should make an Assassin Creed in old Lyon. 😁
You would become the Lyon King
Playing "I Knew You Were Trouble" by Taylor Swift in the background is hilarious. Trouble sounds like Traboule!
the full line in the chorus "I knew you were trouble when you walked in" is even funnier in this context
Those little details are what make Tim Traveller’s videos so amazing
The song before "I knew you were trouble" is "Silk" by Wolf Alice. also oddly apropriate.
Thanks. I didn't get it lol.
Tim is such a traboule maker :)
In the UK we call it "Breaking and Entering"
Haha THAT's the translation I was looking for :D
As the song goes. “There maybe traboules ahead”
You've got your traboules, i've got mine.
It is not that different from the UK system of "right of way" on private land.
@@boldvankaalen3896 Droit de passage exists generally for people having a property in the nearby (say an enclave). But Traboules are for public use AFAIK.
There is one dislike and we know that is from St Étienne.
I don't speak French but quand même quels enfoirés ces stéphanois
Y'a plus trop de rivalité entre Lyon et Sainté vu que Sainté c'est complètement mort maintenant. C'est avec Grenoble qu'on a de la rivalité maintenant, surtout autour du tacos
@@siutheyoutubeexplorer4494 Pardon my french but is it true that Sainté is "éclaté" on the floor ?
I'll see your secret passages through other people's buildings and raise you a legal city street through other people's building's
6 1/2 Avenue, which runs from 51st to 57th streets through the lobbies of multiple midtown Manhattan high rises.
It sounds similar to the covered walkways in downtown Toronto. They connect places like the station and the hockey rink (of course), and are sort of sandwiched in around the sides of (and sometimes through) the lobbies and ground floors of the big buildings.
I was in Lyon in August 2020, this was my first travel after many months of staying indoors and finishing a very difficult and demanding project. Still have very fond memories of this beautiful city and was delighted to see it in the video. Thank you for your work, Tim!
They're quite widespread here in Vienna. Called a "Durchhaus" (Through House) and usually link two sides of a large building with two neigbouring streets.
Oh cool! There's a few other cities in this part of France that have them (Saint Etienne, Mâcon, Villefranche-sur-Saône) but I didn't know they were in Vienna too
Amsterdam has them too, they're called 'gangen' ('corridors'). The city quite recently has begun mapping them: maps.amsterdam.nl/sloppen/?LANG=en. The history is a bit different: courtyards in (then) bad neighbourhoods were filled with slums, creating a sort of mini-Kowloons known as 'forts'. The corridors are remnants of that past. I have to say the ones in Lyon look nicer.
@@TheTimTraveller there is also something similar in Lübeck that might very well be worth à video. Could not find a link in English but here you have it in german : de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCbecker_G%C3%A4nge_und_H%C3%B6fe
@@TheTimTraveller Krakow has them too, at least in the old part of the city. I think it's a product of having a square block property containing multiple households. You need communal entrances, often on several sides. Taa-daa shortcut!
I found little restaurants and bars in the some of the middle courtyards.
I could be wrong, but the same might be true of Budapest too (hearing Vienna has them makes this seem more likely), although I wasn't so much exploring there, I was following a friend, who is a local, so I didn't pay too much attention, just followed.
As an American, I'm reminded of Minneapolis, which has a kind of similar system, with the difference being that the passages are between buildings instead of being on the ground. It's a cold city, so the passages were built as a way to get across the city center without going outside.
I have been shown through a traboule in Lyon. This makes it the first time I have 'Tim Travelled' and seen something I had already seen for myself. And yes, there were about 15 of us, and we WERE told by our guide to keep down the chatter, "s'il vous plaît," because we were very close to people's private apartments.
I lived in Lyon for 5 years when I was studying - I was already nostalgic but this makes me to go back even more! Have you had a chance to visit the miniature museum? It's also in Vieux Lyon, and has both minatures (duh) and cinema stuff, I highly recommend it!
I very much second this recommendation!
Le musée du Cinéma et de la Miniature has a fascinating collection of props, scale models, animatronics and even a few sets from various films and series.
I lived in Lyon for 18 years, and discovered this miniature and cinema museum only 2 years before leaving... in a video from Adam Savage, San Francisco resident. I went there 2 or 3 times since and brought my family.
An absolute must see/hidden gem !
The English city of York has the delightfully named snickelways which don't have doors, but are helpful little passageways, often often very narrow and very low
wow!
My market town (N. Worcestershire) has a couple of these, but one has been lost (rebuilding), two opened up into small precincts and one has simply been closed to the public with locked gates. A couple still survive due to the public waking up to the loss of shortcuts from the High Street to car parks and rear shops.
An alleyway between my grandfather's shop (my first home) and the shop next door was our access between the market hall and small shops at the back, and the shops on the road (the A38) at the front, with the cinema directly opposite!
Everytime you say "secret passage ways through people's houses" I can only think of the now somewhat obligatory scene in a comedic action movie where they enter somebody's apartment on their escape and the residents either look confused or watch TV and don't even notice
That movie is a good definition of a Feydeau farce; people popping up in the wrong place, at the wrong time. A Feydeau farce is a house of cards maintained at length by split second timing, only to collapse at the very end.
@@gerrypower9433 that *is* a good definition of a Feydeau farce
I appreciate how you always consider accessibility for those who might not be able to enter some places. Very thoughtful
There are similar unmarked "just try a door and see what happens" passages in Krakow, either that or I did just trespass.
When you put it that way, there are "just try a door and see what happens" passages in Texas.
What happens is you get shot, though.
@@teh-maxh I think even in Texas they'd have a hard time explaining how shooting an unarmed man was a justifiable response to a door being opened!
@@juststeve5542 I wish you were right.
Unfortunately, many American states have what's called a Castle law, essentially it means that if someone trespasses on your land, you can legally kill them.
@@Zyo117 That's not what the castle doctrine states. Castle doctrine (also known as stand your ground laws) means you don't have a responsibility to try to retreat if someone is threatening (or actively causing) harm to you or your property while on your property. It does not mean you can kill anyone who trespasses on your land, but it does mean that if someone breaks into your house, and you fear harm to you or your property, you are permitted to protect yourself with (reasonable) force. Just because someone wanders into your land doesn't mean you can kill them, but if they break into your house, you can defend your house.
Nice to see my hometown being highlighted in the show! 🙏
And just to add a little bit of pedantry to the pedantry corner, the building visible at 0:15 on the right, immediately next to cathédrale Saint-Jean is the oldest in vieux Lyon (not counting the Roman vestiges in Fourvière), dating back at least to 800 AD, and possibly built on even older foundations. It’s called la Manécanterie and is now a museum.
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Nan pour de vrai moi aussi je suis très heureux de voir ma belle ville présentée dans une vidéo anglophone
Nobody knows the Traboules I've seen.
The music puns in these videos are just getting better and better and I'm here for it
How about the Story of Alsace and Lorraine. That would be interesting if you tell the story of these 2 région of France 🟦⬜🟥🇫🇷
As a Lyon citizen, whenever I'm walking around in Vieux Lyon or Croix Rousse and see an open door, I can't help but try to go and see if I can go through and emerge somewhere else. Ended up in a few creepy definitely-not-traboules like this, but also some pretty nice still-probably-not-traboules :)
My favorites are where you have to go up/down stairs during the "visit" (usually in croix rousse)
I think all medieval cities have this system of passages. I know about Regensburg because in my early days in the old town I kept getting lost. - Greetings, Heinz
I don't really know why, but i absolutely love the idea of such compact and secret passage ways through a big city like Lyon
The "trouble" joke really got me oh my fucking god
Lyon, my hometown! Thanks for visiting! There are lots of other interesting stuff you could make videos about. Did you know there are ancient secret underground tunnels under the hills of the town? But there entrance is forbidden. 😔
What??!!!! Where?
@@amandinebrot8480 sous la croix rousse entre autre, un réseau qui s appel les arrêtés de poissons. On y accède par des portes dans le coin de la montée st sebastien ou de la rue des fantasques, mais c'est interdit .
@@michelmarigny6221 Il s'agit de galeries drainantes (et pas d'égout ni de catacombes) dont les plus anciennes sont romaines, à Fourvière et à la Croix Rousse. Les Arêtes de Poisson sont une série de galeries parmi d'autres (40 km environ). Les entrées sont verrouillées par le service des Balmes de la Ville de Lyon.
I do really love how you always focus on accessibility when showing us around places. Very thoughtful to consider!
i was singing along to "trouble" in the background and it wasn't until I was screaming "trouble trouble trouble" that i realised the pun.
Lyon'ese's burglars have the perfect excuse when being caught. Ah, I thought it was a traboule.
Wow, I think this is the earliest I have been for Tim's Videos... whoop
13 minutes
2:24 silence! sign ... 2:30 flop flop flop, loudly climbing the stairs :)
Merci Tim d'avoir visité ma belle ville de Lyon :)
of course Tim goes to a city to look at the space between the buildings
As a guy who live in Lyon, I know just few of them "the 2 or 3 popular ones" but you just showed me many that I didn't know. So it's surprise me that you know more about them then me haha but thank you for you're very interesting video!
Using these would make me feel like I'm in Neil Gaiman's novel "Neverwhere" especially that one with the amazing stairway.
Took me a little while to recognise the Crystal Maze theme XD
When in traboule, keep quiet. Always good advice. 👍🏼
Yes in Scotland (where I was born) its a close. In Sussex (where I currently live) they'd call it a twitten. (probably from betwixt and between)
"If you're looking for traboule, you came to the right place" (tunes for everyday situations)
In Germany, we call it „Hausfriedensbruch“
And of course the Tim Traveler goes to my town when I'm on vacation... 🤣
Anyway it was a great explanation and the accent at 2:14 was very funny! Thanks Tim!
Merci! That was really interesting and some of these Traboules look beautiful!
It reminded me a little about Vienna (not to be confused with Vienne, just down the river from Lyon) where many of the Höfe (courtyards) in the old town (no idea about public right of way) and have a lovely charm and pretty features.
Edit: just seen several earlier posters mentioning Vienna.
Ah, Crystal maze: escape rooms before they became a business case rather than an excuse to wear Lycra on the telly!
Should have called this episode "The Trouble with Traboules".
great parody idea for a spying movie such our parodic french OSS117 "Trouble dans les traboules" "trouble in the traboules"
During a student exchange program in the mid 1990s, I lived a week in La Crouix-Rousse and had almost forgotten about the Traboules, which we actually used for getting around. I still recognize some of the small courtyards with the Renaissance staircases. Thank you for reviving old memories!
Hey - thanks for mentioning accessibility, that's really awesome and useful!
This is amazing. The staircases remind me of the palaces in Naples. Have you done a vid of Naples?
Reminds me of the "Gängeviertel" in Lübeck...
Wow, interesting that other cities have thes, too. They are really impressive.
I grew up in Leipzig and we have those traboules called "Passage" The most famous one owns the entry staircase to Auerbachs Keller (Faust). They where build to sell goods. And of course there is a list of the pompous passages on wikipedia when you search after "Liste der Leipziger Passagen".
The Wolf Alice Cover sends shivers down my spine
Tim always picks weirdly apropriate background music for these sort of things
@@theholyduck90 He actually _makes_ the weirdly appropriate background music for these, which is why they fit so well.
Smashing vid as ever.... also... Wolf Alice?
Thanks Tim, this will come in handy when planning my next bank heist in Lyon.
Another great video. I like the way you cover topics not normally seen by visitors.
Damn, I live in France and you really make me want to explore more of the country
The 4th wall breaks in these scripts are easily some of my favourite parts of these videos.
Please never stop cracking a "SERIOUSLY WHO WROTE THAT LINE" every once in a while XD
Hey Tim ! I'm so happy you did a video about Lyon ! Especially about the traboules.
Of course, they're not as fascinating as secret passages leading to a sort of tomb, but for someone interested in the history of social movements and revolutions (like me), they can be very interesting.
Last year, for a homework, I studied maps of Lyon and drawings of the Canut (local term for silk workers) revolts from 1831 to 1848, to see how the workers used the city as a tool against the army. The traboules were a great way to quickly move, out maneuver, and encircle troops. It's really possible that during the 1831 Canuts revolt, the traboules played a great role to quickly move the Canuts troops near the Town hall and encircle the Royal Troops, forcing them to retreat, and leading the workers to take control of the city.
They also were a great way to quickly change from revolutionary troop to casual inhabitant, if a revolt failed.
There's a lot of stories to tell with the traboules, and the fact that we can still use them is really cool.
Tim walking around Lyon humming the song "I knew you were (a) Traboule when I walked in"
Edit: I paused the video to type this... when I unpaused Tim literally said the line 😋
It sure would have saved time back then!
As the video started I was a bit underwhelmed as we have something just like it in Novi Sad / Újvidék - old houses with large yards were divided up into several real estates and you use one gate or door to enter a now paved yard that is more like a half-closed street with shops for the most part. But Lyon has had the Troubles for centuries and has a bit of history, so yes, that is a nice find!
The traboules were very useful during the Resistance against the nazis during the WWII, as well as the fact that Lyon is a town where you don't have concierges, but only mailboxes, some of which being used for secret messages. It's one of the reason why Lyon became the capital of the Resistance. I live on the Croix-Rousse plateau, and you can go to the city hall, place des Terreaux, entirely using the traboules. Not all of them are closed
This reminds me quite alot of Edinburgh & Perth in Scotland
And our 'closes'
Some (such as Fleshmarket close) are very much open to the public
Some are gated up
And some (like Mary Kings Close) have been built over and now lie several stories beneath the modern day streets.
This is the city I'm born in, i remember i went on a school trip once in elementary school to visit theses traboules!
And now I actually understand what was with all those weird passageways I've just stumbled upon while wandering through the city... :D
Good idea to play "Trouble" by Taylor Swift while you're talking about the Traboules
I understood that reference
Fascinating, as always! Leave it to the French to make those little courtyards so lovely. In New York City, those types of spaces tend to look like prison yards.
Hi ! I live in Lyon, there's a lot of routes designed by the city (which use the indicator you show in the video) you can follow not only to discover traboules but also the history of the city. I can show you if you're interested ! Great video :)
Lviv, Ukraine has somewhat similar passages as well. Visited there a couple of years ago, and plan on travelling there soon!
I have another lifehack tip for finding Traboules! At the beginning of the video are "please be quiet signs" that were shown on the first 2 doors and also for a bonus, the video surveillance sign towards the end of the video. Look for the unofficial signs too, ha!
Tim at 0:38: "Let's walk straight through this one and see what happens."
Also Tim at 1:18: "Let's obstruct the video for 20~ seconds"
Thanks Tim, now I want to go to Lyon
Belgium's most populous city, Antwerp, also has a number of hidden corridors called 'gangen' the most famous of which is the 16th century Vlaeykensgang. Connecting three streets, with lovely patios at the junctions, it is where yours truly and his Turkish-born husband had their wedding photos taken before heading home to Morocco (and now Vietnam). Easiest entry is through doors in Hoogstraat or Oude Koornmarkt.
More common than the thru-way gangen, however, are the squares hidden at the end of a dead-end corridor called 'plaatsen' (simply 'places') of which Sint-Nicolaasplaats may be the most famous but Bontwerkersplaats is the most beautiful. Enter through Wolstraat 37. Oh, and Antwerp is only two hours by train from Paris, but I recommend the night bus for those on a shoestring.
Hi, Lyonnais here :D it's so cool to see the Traboules on RUclips! Though if you want real hidden tunnels with mysterious things happening in them, we have those too - Les Arêtes de Poisson. They are old tunnels build under the city, from Fouviere to Croix Rousse and well. It's forbidden to enter them bit that doesn't stop adventurous Lyonnais x)
Oh wow! Thank you for the comment - I didn't know about the Arêtes de Poisson. Just googled them. They look very cool! It's a shame they are forbidden to the public... do they EVER open them? Le week-end des journées du patrimoine par exemple ?
@@TheTimTraveller As far as i've heard no, most entry points are sealed off - archeologists are regularly allowed to study them ,they carbone dated them to the gallo-roman era, but no other public visits are allowed. I always wondered why the mairie doesn't treat it as it is : an historical landmark of the city. It's not protected or cared-for, apart from the people that go do urbex in them.
They are so mysterious! We have no idea what they were build for and despite the rumors about the Templars, nobody found any treasures in them yet x)
@@OrlindeEarfalas "nobody found any treasures in them yet x)" You mean: "nobody reported finding any treasures in them yet x)", I would be hesitant too about reporting anything from somewhere I was not supposed to be.
I wonder if the doors specifically marked as not being traboules are traboules the building owners don't want to be any longer.
Took me a bit to realise its Silk by Wolf Alice in the background. Love those details!
Salzburg old town center also has such shortcuts through buildings and they are fully exploited as public spaces with shop front windows, mainly jewellers.
in jakarta we call it "gang senggol" literally means bumping alley because you will bump each other when you pass by
It's like, they knew how to build cities for people in the olden days and how to foster communities.
Everyone: omg Taylor Swift
Me: omg Wolf Alice
Ooh, this was an interesting one (well, they genuinely all are, but this one especially)! Secret passages useful for resistances are relevant to something I'm writing too! I love them.
And, as always, thank you for the accessibility info. 'Beware cobblestones' made me laugh - it's absolutely right though, they are tricky. I want authorities to put 'Beware cobblestones' signs up, it just sounds so menacing in a funny way, like they're sentient and might attack.
Haha yes!
Thank you, now I know that the word for them is traboule. Malmö in Sweden is also littered with traboules. :)
Really? I've been to Malmo but have not seen them, do you know what they are called in swedish? I might go back to Malmo soon so it would be cool to see them :)
@@garnetleaf8050 As far as I know there is no specialized word for them in Swedish, we just call them "throughwalkfare".
I do not know all of them, but there is one that is like walking directly into Diagon Alley in Harry Potter, and another that meanders through a soap and perfume artisan factory. Those are the top ones.
Dude, thanks for the comment about accessibility. 👍
Did you edit the selfie at the end of the video to cover up private information on the door, or was there just a portal to unending darkness behind you?
Just a portal to unending darkness
Even though I'm from Lyon I did learn a thing or two in this video, many thanks !
Feels strange to live in Lyon and learning things from a stranger.
Cool video btw!
Thank you so much for the statement about wheelchairs at the very end
Wolf Alice "Silk"
Love your videos! I spent my Erasmus in Lyon in 2002-2003
You know it's Traboule when you walk in.... You're killing me with this, Tim
That actually looks cool! It adds mystery to the place you're walking around in. Those who know where the shortcuts are could probably dodge people running after them. If this was in a video game, I'd be confused as to where to explore XD.
There's passageways like this in my city too (Chambéry, about 1 hour east of Lyon), but here they're called "passage". Troubles, err, traboules, stay in Lyon ;-)
I hope you have / had a great time there, it's a great city and I'm sure you can find quite a lot of thing to do videos about.
Very nice rendition of Silk. Nicely done again, Tim. Interesting video!
They're not much of a secret any more, now that you've put them on RUclips.
I have to say that these are certainly the best video of this type I’m French but I didn’t know anything about what a freakin Traboule is
>see a sign that says 'silence'
>cuts to tim loudly stomping up the stairs
love the crystal maze theme in the back ground Excellent.
You were right outside my front door! (Had I stepped out and found you there'd have been traboule)
Seeing those stalls in the Place St-Jean you must have been here literally days ago. Best time to visit the traboules is morning, as many of the doors are automatically unlocked on a timer for La Poste. Those that aren't often have a service button but although some will immediately unlock the door, others might buzz somebody and really annoy them. Trying your luck with some of the many dozens of doors on rue St-Jean, amidst the many opulent beautiful courtyards you may also stumble on some really grotty hideous dens with rats scurrying around. But that's the traboule gamble. Bonne chance!
As a French I wanted to say that the accent at 2:20 is 100% accurate.