Quake 2 Enhanced Edition Review - The Final Verdict

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  • Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024

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  • @tcchip
    @tcchip Год назад +39

    What's even more remarkable is like the first Quake remaster, you get this remaster completely free if you already own the original Quake 2 on Steam or GOG. Considering how most game companies are trying to get you to buy a game at full price several times over (with the port of Red Dead Redemption being the most recent fiasco) , id and Nightdive are really setting the gold standard in remasters.

    • @KozenaDrzka
      @KozenaDrzka 2 месяца назад

      Still recent because PC is coming...

  • @fugginrambo
    @fugginrambo Год назад +28

    I made a Quake 2 symbol on CAD and cut it with a CNC Lazer back in 97 in highschool. Gave it a diamond polish and I still have it. Haha that was 26 years ago and im 41 now.

    • @cyrollan
      @cyrollan Год назад +2

      ooooooooooh i would love to see that! also worth noting: we're the same age.

    • @eggruns2370
      @eggruns2370 Год назад +1

      im 39 was there when this dropped aswell. gaming was simpler back then.

  • @MetalJody1990
    @MetalJody1990 Год назад +35

    This thing is a joy to play at 4k 140 fps. Top quality remaster. Crazy that it's only 10 dollars.

    • @leperlord7078
      @leperlord7078 Год назад

      This is 4k?
      OMFG
      i cant wait
      Are the other Quakes done as well?

  • @Lord_Deimos
    @Lord_Deimos Год назад +18

    Everyone's losing their minds about BG3 and Starfield but stuff like this give me the biggest smile.

    • @cyrollan
      @cyrollan Год назад +7

      fo sho. and it's not just nostalgia, the game is great. and all this content for a mere $10, you cannot beat that.

    • @TheL1arL1ar
      @TheL1arL1ar Год назад

      @@cyrollanfor 10 bucks hell no, but the best thing about it…I purchased vanilla q2 off steam last year for 99 cents…and the remaster is a free update, and now you can actually play it on the steam deck.

  • @hansro1122
    @hansro1122 Год назад +20

    Best 10 bucks iv spent in a while brings back memories when I had this game on N64

  • @jacksonwalshe2520
    @jacksonwalshe2520 Год назад +17

    I remember playing this with all the kids in my street huddled around our family PC. Diving into the pool of nostalgia in 3..2..1..

  • @matteste
    @matteste Год назад +21

    To me, this game will always have a special place in my heart as the first FPS I was exposed to after visiting a friends house.

    • @srdjanbogunovic2277
      @srdjanbogunovic2277 Год назад

      Same for me, friend just got a Pentium 2 computer with Q2 installed on it...and I hated him until my folks bought me some shitty computer that wouldn't even run Q2 ..THEN I HATED HIM EVEN MORE! ! ! xDDD

  • @wolf4640
    @wolf4640 Год назад +199

    When a 1997 game is better than 90% of the nowadays sh***ts.....

    • @garrypeak4277
      @garrypeak4277 Год назад +24

      Amen to that. Had more fun in a couple of hours on this, than I have had in COD, for a few years.

    • @EuphoriaDeep
      @EuphoriaDeep Год назад +8

      truth

    • @ImTheMan0fSteel
      @ImTheMan0fSteel Год назад +21

      Lmao. This game is fun, but c'mon. Get real.

    • @Rainbowhawk1993
      @Rainbowhawk1993 Год назад +5

      More like 20% with all the bangers that were released.

    • @ImTheMan0fSteel
      @ImTheMan0fSteel Год назад +14

      @@Rainbowhawk1993 yeah, it's like c'mon lol. Getting kinda sick of the pretentious "old good, new bad. People don't make good games anymore" lol.
      Like it's been one of the best years for gaming in a very long time. With huge releases still coming

  • @garrypeak4277
    @garrypeak4277 Год назад +47

    It’s stunning. Playing on a big screen, at 4k 120, the thing is sublime.
    Made even better, by the way when I got up a few days ago, there it was sitting in Gamepass…for the win!
    Now, in a perfect world, we’ll get Quake 3 Arena, and I know it’s a different developer, but I’d love to see Unreal Tournament get this treatment. Even the classic Doom games with a graphical upgrade would be fun.
    Oh, and Rise Of The Triad 😊

    • @Chasodey
      @Chasodey Год назад +10

      Rise of the Triad just got a remaster a week ago

    • @cyrollan
      @cyrollan Год назад +1

      oh that's great news! thx@@Chasodey

    • @cyrollan
      @cyrollan Год назад +3

      i would much prefer the original Unreal, just because i'm a single player campaign kind of guy. but hey, if they bundled Unreal AND UT, that would be a power move!

    • @stephenembry4038
      @stephenembry4038 Год назад

      ​@@Chasodeyfrom who?

    • @Chasodey
      @Chasodey Год назад

      @@stephenembry4038 Nightdive too

  • @chickenbot1
    @chickenbot1 Год назад +25

    The simplicity of retro shooters like this is what appeals to me the most. Quake 2 isnt bogged down with complex, half baked gameplay mechanics that you see in modern shooters. It's just, move, shoot, have fun and it's very refreshing.

    • @Hypno_BPM
      @Hypno_BPM Год назад +1

      i’ve got used to and i’m sure others have as well when you boot up a new game and expect to go through a tutorial chapter 😂. loved how they just threw you into the action in the older games

    • @Tiberius11111111
      @Tiberius11111111 Год назад

      and no fucking loadouts in mp ( i mean they good for some games ). You need to learn map and where every weapon is and i miss that in games

    • @MistressMary...22-u9j
      @MistressMary...22-u9j Год назад

      i agree

    • @Hypno_BPM
      @Hypno_BPM Год назад

      @@Tiberius11111111 load out meta is so played out , just give everyone the same guns with some good movement and have at it

    • @RusticRaver
      @RusticRaver Год назад

      Playing a fps with a controller is a joke, disqualified, funny no mention of this, Makes me think did the person really played the game or is just spitting out what the makers of the game feeds them for cash or a free game.

  • @scottieman2
    @scottieman2 Год назад +7

    This is how remaster games should be. I love 1 and 2.

  • @gorangorkoza6666
    @gorangorkoza6666 Год назад +8

    I hope this team can also make a complete remaster and reimagination of RTCW, along with prolog mission from consoles, and some more mod missions that fans created over time. That could be also worth replaying I guess!

    • @fullauto86
      @fullauto86 Год назад +2

      Dude I’m convinced that nightdive has a remaster in the works, there’s no way they don’t that game is beloved. I hope so I’d even pre order it, which I never have done and otherwise would never do, but for ID and night dive, absolutely.

    • @NKWittmann
      @NKWittmann Год назад

      Great idea I'd absolutely replay that

  • @Daveyengland
    @Daveyengland Год назад +19

    Brilliant stuff, just like the Quake 1 remaster. Also, the original game and mods are still there if you want to play them instead... no over-writing of the OG game files here 👍

  • @Mx.Dmg1999
    @Mx.Dmg1999 Год назад +6

    2:40 never seen that attack before, did they add new attacks/animations to other enemies as well??

    • @TheSteamyPickle
      @TheSteamyPickle Год назад +3

      Yeah they have enhanced some of the attacks. During development of the remaster they were given access to all the motion filled too. The flying units are more aggressive too trying to shoot you while also trying to get close and stab you.

    • @Mx.Dmg1999
      @Mx.Dmg1999 Год назад +1

      @@TheSteamyPickle played it got half way through enemies do pack a hell of a punch, bezerkers are a pain, feels like I finally played quake properly

  • @fullauto86
    @fullauto86 Год назад +1

    I notice nobody in these reviews mention that there’s a grapple hook you can get from the console in any campaigns in the remake, bring the console down, command is GIVE GRAPPLE HOOK

  • @txcrix9236
    @txcrix9236 Год назад +1

    The old days of id and Apogee may be gone but the legends from that era will be around for many many years to come.

  • @mikhailgregovszki7478
    @mikhailgregovszki7478 Год назад +1

    Man this is awesome... I really want a VR mod for it now. There was a Q2 VR mod a few years ago, and it was decent but it needed some more polishing - hopefully they will come back and finish it. These old shooters feel SO GOOD in VR, just the environment and textures really work well on VR headsets and really bring you into the world, its fantastic.

  • @ZyliceLiddell
    @ZyliceLiddell Год назад +2

    My mother always wanted to play this on console. Now she can.

  • @arothmanmusic
    @arothmanmusic Год назад +3

    Tempting! Although I don't have really strong memories of it, I do recall having finished this game and been quite absorbed by it while playing back in the day on my girlfriend's PC.
    Yeah somebody needs to do a really good 4K reworking of the original single player Unreal. I think there's a fan project, but God knows when it'll be done…

  • @midnitekreapa8372
    @midnitekreapa8372 Год назад +3

    Quake ll 1997 PC with 3Dfx voodoo card and dial up modem was my very first multiplayer ever played online 😎 thank you for this. Hope they bring the original Unreal next

  • @PacisJusticia
    @PacisJusticia Год назад +5

    About 2/3 of the way though the new campaign and it's great. Masterclass in level design - intuitive and interesting with tons of action and varied encounter scenarios.

  • @bobsyoruncle4583
    @bobsyoruncle4583 Месяц назад

    Quake 2 was my first true 3d game and it blew me away. The remaster has made this classic fps even greater. Two thumbs up!

  • @benfletcher9659
    @benfletcher9659 Год назад

    This is a game from the golden age of PC gaming (1995-2002). I originally got Quake and Quake II the Christmas they came out (1996/1997) and event started making levels for them up until about 2000. From all the games I got back then - Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Half-Life, Kingpin, Blood etc these have been the only games I have re-installed every few years for the last 27 years. Several times I even started doing levels for a few months (which the remaster has gone and got me doing again - currently making a Quake and Quake II level). The new chapters are excellent, it just feels like a new reason to play the game, a huge nostalgia trip. Just a shame the community will never be as big and the multiplayer servers are no where near as varied or as busy. People are still making levels though.

  • @pompidoudog
    @pompidoudog Год назад +7

    RANT INCOMING (not targeting Gaming Bolt specifically)
    I hate the term boomer shooter. I get that it rhymes, but boomers had almost nothing to do with video games other than trying to ban them. It was Gen X who first truly embraced video games. Boomers are people 59 and over. People like Jack Thompson. People like Tipper Gore.
    Here's who Gen X is: John Carmack and John Romero. The creators of these games. But I guess we're gonna stick with boomer shooter because it rhymes.
    RANT OVER

    • @Alex-pk1iy
      @Alex-pk1iy Год назад +1

      Lmao, “boomer shooter” refers to the gameplay style, nothing to do with the baby boomer generation

    • @pompidoudog
      @pompidoudog Год назад +1

      @@Alex-pk1iy Really? I had no idea. I just assumed it was because the games were really old. I'll leave my mistake here for the world to see.

    • @pompidoudog
      @pompidoudog Год назад +1

      @@Alex-pk1iy I looked online and I'm certainly not the only one who thinks this. If it's my mistake, it's nice to have company. also, it';s funny to see other people making the same rant as me.

    • @RonnieMyers777
      @RonnieMyers777 Год назад

      Boomers played PacMan IJS

    • @Ganymede559
      @Ganymede559 Год назад

      @@Alex-pk1iy Dumb name for Quake or any FPS.

  • @stateofmind578
    @stateofmind578 Год назад +10

    Saw it in Game Pass, didn't expect much of it, but it appeared to be do much more fun then some recent AAA games
    Btw Bramble The Mountain King is also a Game Pass gem

  • @EuphoriaDeep
    @EuphoriaDeep Год назад +4

    Still the only game I ever got a tattoo for.

  • @ronniep9272
    @ronniep9272 Год назад

    You have such a 90s reviewer's voice and speaking style, very apt for this video.

  • @biggjoshhardcore
    @biggjoshhardcore Год назад +3

    I would love to play this game. I think I’m going to buy it.

  • @ParanoidTurtle666
    @ParanoidTurtle666 Год назад +2

    Probably the best classic fps remaster since Halo MCC

  • @Hypno_BPM
    @Hypno_BPM Год назад +1

    why didn’t Quake 3 Arena 4k remaster for consoles a couple years ago get this type of buzz ? that games a classic though i haven’t played it since 99/2000

  • @gloriouskatatsumuri
    @gloriouskatatsumuri Год назад +2

    They need to patch in the machine gun kick back for single player. If I recall correctly it was never in death match but it feels terrible in the remaster without the kickback.... But that is literally my only complaint. Such a good game.

  • @CrashPilot1000
    @CrashPilot1000 Год назад +1

    Quake3 and Quake3 Team Arena were the hot shit!

  • @ebbderelict
    @ebbderelict Год назад +2

    I thought I was gonna pass on this one, but I think you've convinced me to get it.

  • @rytramprophet843
    @rytramprophet843 Год назад

    I was pleasantly surprised by the additional areas that were not in the original. It gives a sense that you are exploring the world again when you find an area that wasn't there before lol.

  • @badash786
    @badash786 Год назад +1

    Does it contain the original PC Sound track ??

    • @Marc_Araujo
      @Marc_Araujo Год назад +1

      Yup...all three (Quake II, the Reckoning, and Ground Zero).

    • @badash786
      @badash786 Год назад

      @@Marc_Araujo thanks. Am going to buy it

  • @goodluckkozymusicgaming6005
    @goodluckkozymusicgaming6005 6 месяцев назад

    What’s some old games like this that got remastered on ps5 or steam? Like tourok

  • @fullauto86
    @fullauto86 Год назад

    Free for owners of the original and 20 bucks for everyone else, stellar performance on EVERY platform, and with as much content as it has and the I’d vault, playable e3 demos?!?! This is one of the greatest remakes of one of the greatest shooters of all time. Carmack continues to bless us all these years later not even being involved. Also that machine games campaigns is excellant. Like another comment said, compared to the average remaster, or new game for that matter, would be 6 x the price for 1/4 the effort and content. I love ID software.

  • @ManchmalGaming
    @ManchmalGaming Год назад +3

    Now please let us get a Unreal Tournament remake! 🙏

  • @MukiMuki688
    @MukiMuki688 Год назад +2

    Man... I remember when the original came out and thought it was space age tech...

  • @shawty10ize
    @shawty10ize Год назад +5

    I’m sad that it took 25 years for people to realize that this is a God-tier game. I loved it from the first minute I played it in 97.

  • @samuellacroit5145
    @samuellacroit5145 Год назад

    how multi work? do is the original have multi, 64 or both ?

  • @Armand79th
    @Armand79th Год назад +3

    Definitely much better on PC though.

  • @bdavidson8658
    @bdavidson8658 Год назад

    This was my introduction to online multi-player just as awesome as I remember 😊

  • @zapmando
    @zapmando 9 месяцев назад

    Great game for the gyro bros. Needore arena shooters with gyro on PS5 not a fan of BR game types, but Fortnite and Warzone adding a complete gyro feature suite will help the input geow in popularity immensely.

  • @TdotTube
    @TdotTube Год назад +3

    I don't plan on buying this but I hope it does well so they can do quake 3 arena

    • @TdotTube
      @TdotTube Год назад +3

      Or dare I say... An all new quake??? Doom eternal feel but multi-player? Or is that what champions was?

    • @TanThighsYum
      @TanThighsYum Год назад +1

      ​@@TdotTubeYes it was, although champions isn't the greatest and never really got finished imo. The hit detection/coding and/or Lag is atrocious and the champions idea itself has mixed feedback. I for example do not care for the champions aspect.

    • @Alex-pk1iy
      @Alex-pk1iy Год назад +2

      I reckon they’re laying the groundwork for a Quake reboot; something akin to DOOM 2016

  • @regularnimnule9715
    @regularnimnule9715 Год назад +1

    Brilliant remaster and probably my favourite FPS ever. The railgun is a work or art. GIBS!

  • @hugostiglitz491
    @hugostiglitz491 11 месяцев назад +1

    Game of the year 2023

  • @krissalkond
    @krissalkond Год назад +1

    Um.. The new expansion is way better than the base game in every way

  • @kristjan3376
    @kristjan3376 Год назад

    When this game came out i was playing like crazy detmmatch and team deathmatch and when i bought voodoo 2 12 mb the game was even more beautiful

  • @Mulderfactoring
    @Mulderfactoring Год назад

    WHere do you buy it?

  • @JethroDyx
    @JethroDyx Год назад +1

    Now, if they would only remaster Quake 4...

  • @PlagueInjected
    @PlagueInjected Год назад

    A couple of issues with your review:
    - Enemies did duck projectiles such as blaster shots and rockets in the original release. This is not a new feature.
    - You did not talk about the new attack Berserkers have which is often unavoidable and can ruin many higher difficulty runs.

    • @dooplon5083
      @dooplon5083 Год назад +3

      I'm in a discord with the devs, they're thinking of nerfing the attack so that jumping at the right time nullifies the damage, hope you enjoy that lol
      also the attack was made from leftover animations in the berserker's files, other enemies had restored animations like that too. The Parasite now has a projectile tongue instead of a hitscan one so it's not only dodgeable but the tongue can get lodged in a wall, making ut reuse a cut tugging animation before it pulls it out

    • @PlagueInjected
      @PlagueInjected Год назад +1

      @@dooplon5083 I don't understand why they felt the need to implement that move in t he first place.

    • @dooplon5083
      @dooplon5083 Год назад

      @@PlagueInjected because without it they literally are a non-threat lol. I mean you can literally outrun them and they're melee only enemies that take a mere 2-3 super shotgun blasts to deal with, they're only some semblance of a threat in a large distracting crowd (which they're not always found in) or with a jump attack to close the gap.
      Essentially they're the reverse of the Brains getting their rework backported from The Reckoning, Brains are slow but pull _you_ in to deal their melee damage whereas berserkers are speedy and pull _themselves_ in to melee you and without it they're both non-threats whose only saving grace is a noticeable health pool in terms of combat lol

    • @user-zp4ge3yp2o
      @user-zp4ge3yp2o Год назад

      They did dodge but it almost felt random when they would do it, it was also very slow and basically made them easier to kill instead of harder. This behaviour has been made much quicker and more responsive and is quite effective for dodging things like rockets.

  • @janoycresva919
    @janoycresva919 Год назад

    Dident turn hitmarkers off

  • @undertaker7611
    @undertaker7611 Год назад

    I demand a full remareik of the lineup 6 version of quake 2

  • @KarlHessey-db6mf
    @KarlHessey-db6mf Год назад

    Alien trilogy by acclaim I think, don't forget alien resurrection PS1, night dive remasters, or hexen

  • @BJI82a
    @BJI82a Год назад

    Glad to see the classics holding their own to the new games today. They really need to bring back Duke Nukem that series has been ignored for too long and I have played through the 3D collection and I loved it. Now if they can pick up from when the PS3 game ended fans might be happy to power kick something into a space hog.

    • @eggruns2370
      @eggruns2370 Год назад +1

      duke hasnt aged well in the current pc world.

    • @user-zp4ge3yp2o
      @user-zp4ge3yp2o Год назад +1

      @@eggruns2370 Duke is fine, it's like a sleazy b movie, and those still get made.

  • @richardjoyce2764
    @richardjoyce2764 Год назад

    My only gripe is that Quake 2 64 is not the authentic 64 version just modified to almost emulate it. The original Quake did a better job presenting the 64 version.
    The trophies kinda suck too, they just require you to beat all of it while the original had other challenges.

  • @mrnobodytheuser2950
    @mrnobodytheuser2950 Год назад

    Flying berserkers have made them a bigger threat.

  • @davidgrice9270
    @davidgrice9270 Год назад

    My only issue is, this is released on this gen consoles but no RTX options, steam gave away the RTX quake 2 for free

    • @eggruns2370
      @eggruns2370 Год назад +1

      if you own q2 on pc its a free upgrade.

    • @davidgrice9270
      @davidgrice9270 Год назад

      @eggruns2370 I do, but the ps5 and xbox series x is also capable of ray tracing, why they didn't take advantage of thar, o don't know

    • @ips2124
      @ips2124 Год назад +1

      quake 2 rtx was just a tech demo more than anything. it didnt fit the aesthetic of the game at all

  • @riftshredder5438
    @riftshredder5438 Год назад +1

    You might as well have just called this video Quake 2 Remastered

  • @WickedSativa
    @WickedSativa 10 месяцев назад

    Right now its on sale at PSN for $3.99

  • @toastofcinder3547
    @toastofcinder3547 Год назад

    I was so happy when I saw this available to get on ps5, game of the year 😂. I really hope we get a remastered Unreal 2

  • @AlexGreat321
    @AlexGreat321 Год назад

    Lets see them do Quake 4

  • @prulcan
    @prulcan Месяц назад

    i have PSX version and KM Quake 2.

  • @1Williams
    @1Williams Год назад

    I enjoyed Quake 1, hated Quake 2, and played the crap out of Quake 3 and all the mods (especially rocket arena) back in the day. Q2 made me sick feeling back then on CRT @60fps and it still makes me dizzy today at a locked 144fps... I played for a hour last night and I had to go lay down.

  • @WellFunka_Round
    @WellFunka_Round Год назад

    If Rockstar priced Red Dead Redemption at $9.99 it would have received a much better welcome...

  • @MistressMary...22-u9j
    @MistressMary...22-u9j Год назад

    this game is amazeballs

  • @xBezerkerrr
    @xBezerkerrr Год назад

    for $10 you cant go wrong, im surprised it was that cheap

  • @WooziethesniffGod
    @WooziethesniffGod Год назад

    Steam?

    • @Curt_Randall
      @Curt_Randall Год назад

      yes. but save your $10 if you have Gamepass.

  • @joejoe2658
    @joejoe2658 Год назад

    black side bars are NOT annoying. mandatory, hideous "wallpapers" and stretched footage are. generally the writing of this video sucks.

  • @1300l
    @1300l Год назад

    I kind of wish they made a blend of how it is and some features of the RT Q2 release

  • @Emcfree2084
    @Emcfree2084 Год назад

    Bizarre that none of the major reviews mentioned the glaring absence of an RTX mode. Like it or hate it, having the option is clearly an omission you would think someone would consider worth mentioning.

  • @adrianolicardo5375
    @adrianolicardo5375 Год назад

    This is superb game.

  • @ashdoglsu
    @ashdoglsu Год назад

    QUAKE 4 needs to be reimagined on latest ID engine

  • @atterdag1771
    @atterdag1771 Год назад

    I hate the term boomer shooter, bloomers hated this kind of game. Doomer shooter would fit it more.

    • @DerekHartley
      @DerekHartley Год назад

      Nothing to do with those boomers.

    • @user-zp4ge3yp2o
      @user-zp4ge3yp2o Год назад

      It is a dumb term. Retro shooter is probably better.

  • @TheMasterblaster32
    @TheMasterblaster32 Год назад

    Poor man's turbo kill....

  • @Brutal-X
    @Brutal-X Год назад

    I think RTX version its better than this

  • @MrEvilKumpis
    @MrEvilKumpis Год назад

    Textures, some models have very bad resolution. "Remaster" its look like video fix and modern patch for win10\11 system. No details for objects in 2023. The great remaster for game? Its Black Mesa for Half-life 1.

    • @user-zp4ge3yp2o
      @user-zp4ge3yp2o Год назад

      Black Mesa is a remake, changes the game drastically, for the worse in my opinion.

    • @MrEvilKumpis
      @MrEvilKumpis Год назад

      @@user-zp4ge3yp2o try Half-life 1 now - and you will see empty levels, poor details, simple textures. And all we see in quake 2 remaster. Its sad.

  • @bioshock6935
    @bioshock6935 Год назад

    Sorry i don't like it and it still needs better new higher textures being made to it as this remaster still looks old with blurry low res textures it just doesn't give me any vibs to go back play it. But on the other hand the rtx version does but i just needs a 4090 as i want 4k maxed out ray tracing to appreciate the games remaster lol

  • @undertaker7611
    @undertaker7611 Год назад

    Полный херня тока одну версию переработанный а другие версии нету из основной куэика 2

  • @Xquisity
    @Xquisity 11 месяцев назад

    Who ever is playing the gameplay is so bad at aiming

  • @maximus_ab
    @maximus_ab Год назад

    Comeon the Game has aged terrible with Time... this remaster is useless ....imo though being great in its time, the game now is just an old hag with new makeup.....

    • @stevenlamb291
      @stevenlamb291 Год назад +3

      Nah. The multiplayer is still fun.

    • @Ganymede559
      @Ganymede559 Год назад

      It's better than most of the s**t that passes for a game these days.

    • @maximus_ab
      @maximus_ab Год назад

      @@stevenlamb291 cud b

    • @TheCromulentMan
      @TheCromulentMan Год назад +1

      She old, but she a freak

    • @wyredaftsquall
      @wyredaftsquall Год назад

      What kind of alien crack you smoking?

  • @SM-sk1sm
    @SM-sk1sm 8 месяцев назад

    Quake 4 was made on an Amiga in Russia..then Dumb down for pc=mac.