Wish I could've troubleshooted the boost speed issues on the 7th Gen, but I was out of time with it and absolutely winging it in this video. Hope the other comparisons were helpful!
Hello, i think the boost depends on how many cores are actively being used. the max boost only applies to a single core, as you use more cores the max boost goes down. I could be wrong, but that's how i understood it. Nice video!
Note for those looking for used X1 Gen 7: The WiFI is not upgradeable, so you are stuck with soldered WiFi 5 AC. If you need to upgrade to WiFi 6/6E and do not mind inferior speaker, then better to go for the Gen 6 instead since you can still replace the M.2 WiFi card there to WiFi 6E.
Thanks for this fantastic comparison! Many users waited for exactly this video. I would love to see an audio comparison of the gen 6 and gen 7 FAN at maximum speed - this could nicely be done with TP fan control ;) I am using a Gen 6 and even though its quiet when using Throttlestop, in docking mode with 2 external FHD screens the fan kicks in easily (despite using Throotlestop) - this makes you going crazy. Thinking about an upgrade to Gen 7...
I picked up the 7th Gen ThinkPad X1 Carbon for an insanely good price on Lenovo's website. During their "Doorbuster" sales they had the i7 version with 16gb RAM, 1TB SSD, 1080p matte Privacy Guard screen and IR camera for $1900 CAD (after student discount, before taxes). That was about $1400 USD at the time of buying I think. Oh, and that was with the new i7-10710u 6-core, 15W processor which beats my previous laptop's i7-4710HQ 45W processor by over 60% in Cinebench. That, with the better speakers and new processor, is the only reason I got the 7th Gen over the 6th Gen. I still can't believe I got that deal lol.
I picked up a 6th Gen X1 Carbon, 16gb / 512gb / QHD Screen, i7 8650 for 800. I love it, freaking awesome, fast and great screen. Traded up from my LG Gram 13, what a difference.
I owned three versions of X1C 7th (4K, 2K and FHD [from Costco]) screen in last 30 days. 4K lasts 3.5 - 4 hours (this is max) under very light load (1 chrome with 3-5 tabs, Outlook client. Nothing else had been running). 2K version lasts only 5 hours. Remember, no gaming, no video editing. Even FD (1080) version which by the way you can test yourself at local Costco, will last 6 - 7 hrs at best scenario. With such poor battery run time, I had to send both units back to Lenovo. The keyboard is best in the league. PS: The performance also is average at best. 4K was very sluggish , I assume due to larger number of pixels it has to deal with, but Dell XPS has no such issues per se. 2K was a bit quicker, but not by much. Now I am using X1 Extreme 2 generation. It offers 500 nits FHD screen. All is good about Extreme, except the battery. At best I may get 5 hrs. With 4K version on X1 Extreme at best you will get 3.5 hrs of battery with real day-to-day usage. Check Lenovo forums to see what real consumers say about the battery life on these machines. It is the fact. If someone claims they get longer battery life it is due to the fact they reduce brightness down 50% which makes the screen very dim and not usable in my books, and they constantly close any unused application.
I repeat. The keyboard on X1 (Carbon and Extreme) is miles ahead comparing to others. Personally I cannot switch to Dell or HP or Asus due to the keyboard.
I agree the battery doesn’t last over 7 hours for the FHD with normal loads. did you face any overheat on the right upper corner of the 7th gen..I have one from costco with FHD screen, but I feel it heats up with normal loads..did you notice this kind of issue?
@@mohammadmubarak6231 Not really. My FHD X1C didn't overheat at all, even with moderate load. I can't say anything else as I returned it back to Costco.
Is it still worth is the 7th gen ? I work as a designer, Adobe illustrator a lot... What do you think ? Thank you for the video 🙏🌹🌹 reallly reaally helpful 🙏🌹..
Do you have any detailed impressions about how the keyboards compare in actual usage? I was actually disappointed at the 'on paper' reduction of key travel, but how does that translate to real-world usage experience?
I went through a few lengthy group chats and wrote some emails on it, and it felt almost exactly like my 6th gen. I could feel the difference when pressing an individual key, but once I started typing, not so much. I do type with a pretty light touch, so it's possible the difference is more noticeable if you type more forcefully.
@Andrew Thrasher - Quick question: I'm stuck at which screen to choose. A pity you compared the screens under extreme conditions (i.e. opposite a window), where the matte is the obvious choice. What would you say, how are reflection and colour levels under normal (indoors, artificial light etc.) conditions? n.b. I don't use very bright screens (eyes), is that an issue with the glossy screen? Thanks! PS: have you found a way around the constantly running fan?
The coating is definitely some sort of plastic, so I don't think it's particularly scratch resistant, though I'm glad I haven't had to really put mine to the test.
There's definitely some minor stuttering at times moving windows around, which seems to be common on all high DPI screens paired with Intel HD graphics from my experience. It didn't seem any worse than on the 1440p 6th gen to me and never really bothered me.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 Well, I have a 12 inches small HP folio with a Y processor and a 4k (!) screen and that scrolls much smoother than my QHD X16 i5....
first time buying an x1 carbon and am stuck on which gen to get is the extra bit of money worth it for the gen7 as I have heard that the battery is worse on gen7
I don't think it's worth it unless you use your laptop speakers a lot. That's the only meaningful benefit to the 7th gen. I think the keyboard on the 6th gen is slightly nicer to type on, but that difference isn't as pronounced as the speaker advantage for the 7th gen.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 I mean I am coming from a Macbook Pro... So you advise not to get the gen7? Another problem I have come across is the display options with the gen7 as I dont want touch or 2k and the low power FHD display is prone to ghosting and looks terrible
@@Jco55 still trying to sell my Macbook I think if I find a good deal on the gen6 ill go with that but if not ill just buy the gen7 on the lenovo website
@@F.c1 wow! A supplier misinformed me, then. Yeah. I can imagine they will be better on battery life. Thank you for your replies, truly. They've been helpful. 🙏 Uhm... Do you know if they usually come with replaceable RAM or are they always soldered?
it would be a near perfect laptop if it wasn’t for the shameful battery/ motherboard defect that causes the laptop to go into sleep/hibernation mode every few minutes. it’s an hardware bug and there should be a “recall”. but there isn’t, and nobody talks about it. not even the so called “objective” tech reviewers. my x1 carbon 7 gen came with this defect right out of the box! you can read about this problem in this thread: forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X1-Carbon-Gen-7-regularly-mistakes-empty-battery-and-shuts-down/m-p/4561156
thanks man for the link! was about to buy that laptop, but I think I won't after I have red the battery issues mentioned from the lenovo forum what a shame :-( couldn't find any similar laptops though
A product sheet for the X1C8 popped up on the Lenovo website (news.lenovo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/LENOVO-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Gen8-R4.pdf). Looks like the main difference is the new 6-core processor over the current 4-core. Not a massive upgrade IMO given thermal limitations of the X1, but if you have a core-dependent workload (like running development VMs) then it might be worth it. As a caveat, this is the time of year they usually launch models, so if you can hold out a bit longer it might be worth waiting to see if the early product sheet was missing anything.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 indeed! Two additional questions: 1) Have you heard anything about the release date? 2) Given that 80% of my time on the X1 will be classic productivity/multitasking and only 20% photo/video editing, do think the slightly higher price of the Gen8 will be worth it relative to the Gen7? If not, then do you think its worth waiting for Gen8 to come out (given that it's 'that time of year'?) so as to get the gen 7 for cheaper?
So, I’m considering getting the Gen’ 7 with WQHD IPS anti-glare... do you think it’s worth getting over and above the 1080, at the expense of battery life?
@@sacksdarryl Verdict: FHD should be just fine. Just don't get the glossy HDR unless your sole use is watching video. Mine's a Gen 6. Speakers aren't too great as has been well reported. Also, I find the keyboard quite stiff to use tbh. Might be selling this and looking at a Dell Latitude
Unfortunately yes. The 7th gen hides them a bit better on the outside, but they're both worse than pretty much every other laptop I've used in this regard. The soft touch finish is very pleasant to use.
No touchscreen on the normal X1 Carbon, but Lenovo sells an X1 Yoga that is nearly identical to the X1 Carbon, but with a touchscreen that folds all the way around into tablet mode. Both of these are 2.5lbs, while the X1 Yoga is a bit heavier at 3lbs.
Wish I could've troubleshooted the boost speed issues on the 7th Gen, but I was out of time with it and absolutely winging it in this video. Hope the other comparisons were helpful!
Check intelligent cooling in vantage?
Hello, i think the boost depends on how many cores are actively being used. the max boost only applies to a single core, as you use more cores the max boost goes down. I could be wrong, but that's how i understood it. Nice video!
Note for those looking for used X1 Gen 7:
The WiFI is not upgradeable, so you are stuck with soldered WiFi 5 AC. If you need to upgrade to WiFi 6/6E and do not mind inferior speaker, then better to go for the Gen 6 instead since you can still replace the M.2 WiFi card there to WiFi 6E.
Thanks for the helpful comment!
Thanks for this fantastic comparison! Many users waited for exactly this video. I would love to see an audio comparison of the gen 6 and gen 7 FAN at maximum speed - this could nicely be done with TP fan control ;) I am using a Gen 6 and even though its quiet when using Throttlestop, in docking mode with 2 external FHD screens the fan kicks in easily (despite using Throotlestop) - this makes you going crazy. Thinking about an upgrade to Gen 7...
I picked up the 7th Gen ThinkPad X1 Carbon for an insanely good price on Lenovo's website. During their "Doorbuster" sales they had the i7 version with 16gb RAM, 1TB SSD, 1080p matte Privacy Guard screen and IR camera for $1900 CAD (after student discount, before taxes). That was about $1400 USD at the time of buying I think. Oh, and that was with the new i7-10710u 6-core, 15W processor which beats my previous laptop's i7-4710HQ 45W processor by over 60% in Cinebench.
That, with the better speakers and new processor, is the only reason I got the 7th Gen over the 6th Gen. I still can't believe I got that deal lol.
i just got it for 40 and spent 25 on new screen for it looks brand new
thanks, the gloss screen is a killer for my interest on this. I've hated this since it first came out on Mac and its just crazy. I'll be skipping this
i think you can choose matt screen at checkout
@Yash Gaur Antiglare is Matt screen. However, they only available in IPS FHD. The 4k is Glare and 400 nits.
Glossy: 4K
Matte: 1080p
I put a matt cover on it from Amazon
I picked up a 6th Gen X1 Carbon, 16gb / 512gb / QHD Screen, i7 8650 for 800. I love it, freaking awesome, fast and great screen. Traded up from my LG Gram 13, what a difference.
How much
@@relaxer7329 800
@@bigdisme5622 it's 1500$ wherr i live damn
@@relaxer7329 worth it
@@bigdisme5622 can the 6th gen be used for editing in premiere pro cc and after effects?
Best Comparison Video of X1C g6 vs g7 I've seen so far.
I owned three versions of X1C 7th (4K, 2K and FHD [from Costco]) screen in last 30 days.
4K lasts 3.5 - 4 hours (this is max) under very light load (1 chrome with 3-5 tabs, Outlook client. Nothing else had been running).
2K version lasts only 5 hours. Remember, no gaming, no video editing.
Even FD (1080) version which by the way you can test yourself at local Costco, will last 6 - 7 hrs at best scenario. With such poor battery run time, I had to send both units back to Lenovo.
The keyboard is best in the league.
PS: The performance also is average at best. 4K was very sluggish , I assume due to larger number of pixels it has to deal with, but Dell XPS has no such issues per se.
2K was a bit quicker, but not by much.
Now I am using X1 Extreme 2 generation. It offers 500 nits FHD screen. All is good about Extreme, except the battery. At best I may get 5 hrs. With 4K version on X1 Extreme at best you will get 3.5 hrs of battery with real day-to-day usage. Check Lenovo forums to see what real consumers say about the battery life on these machines. It is the fact.
If someone claims they get longer battery life it is due to the fact they reduce brightness down 50% which makes the screen very dim and not usable in my books, and they constantly close any unused application.
I repeat. The keyboard on X1 (Carbon and Extreme) is miles ahead comparing to others. Personally I cannot switch to Dell or HP or Asus due to the keyboard.
I agree the battery doesn’t last over 7 hours for the FHD with normal loads.
did you face any overheat on the right upper corner of the 7th gen..I have one from costco with FHD screen, but I feel it heats up with normal loads..did you notice this kind of issue?
@@mohammadmubarak6231 Not really. My FHD X1C didn't overheat at all, even with moderate load. I can't say anything else as I returned it back to Costco.
How scratch resistant is UHD display, does it need a special care and is protective film necessary?
Is it still worth is the 7th gen ? I work as a designer, Adobe illustrator a lot... What do you think ? Thank you for the video 🙏🌹🌹 reallly reaally helpful 🙏🌹..
meantime i forgot which one is 7th and 6th :)
Do you have any detailed impressions about how the keyboards compare in actual usage? I was actually disappointed at the 'on paper' reduction of key travel, but how does that translate to real-world usage experience?
I went through a few lengthy group chats and wrote some emails on it, and it felt almost exactly like my 6th gen. I could feel the difference when pressing an individual key, but once I started typing, not so much. I do type with a pretty light touch, so it's possible the difference is more noticeable if you type more forcefully.
@Andrew Thrasher - Quick question: I'm stuck at which screen to choose. A pity you compared the screens under extreme conditions (i.e. opposite a window), where the matte is the obvious choice. What would you say, how are reflection and colour levels under normal (indoors, artificial light etc.) conditions? n.b. I don't use very bright screens (eyes), is that an issue with the glossy screen? Thanks!
PS: have you found a way around the constantly running fan?
Very comprehensive comparasion thank u very much dude！
Thanks dude!
Does this laptop have an slot for an thumb drive
How scratch resistant is UHD display, does it need a special care and is protective film necessary?
The coating is definitely some sort of plastic, so I don't think it's particularly scratch resistant, though I'm glad I haven't had to really put mine to the test.
Why would people recommend between 7th gen with i5 vs 6th gen with and i7 processor?
How are the animations/feel of the 4k screen? I've heard scrolling/general w10 animations are stuttery/laggy.
There's definitely some minor stuttering at times moving windows around, which seems to be common on all high DPI screens paired with Intel HD graphics from my experience. It didn't seem any worse than on the 1440p 6th gen to me and never really bothered me.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 Well, I have a 12 inches small HP folio with a Y processor and a 4k (!) screen and that scrolls much smoother than my QHD X16 i5....
first time buying an x1 carbon and am stuck on which gen to get
is the extra bit of money worth it for the gen7 as I have heard that the battery is worse on gen7
I don't think it's worth it unless you use your laptop speakers a lot. That's the only meaningful benefit to the 7th gen. I think the keyboard on the 6th gen is slightly nicer to type on, but that difference isn't as pronounced as the speaker advantage for the 7th gen.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 I mean I am coming from a Macbook Pro... So you advise not to get the gen7? Another problem I have come across is the display options with the gen7 as I dont want touch or 2k and the low power FHD display is prone to ghosting and looks terrible
@@Jco55 still trying to sell my Macbook I think if I find a good deal on the gen6 ill go with that but if not ill just buy the gen7 on the lenovo website
Please review of lenovo ideapad s540.
Any issue of the coating chipping off?
T490s is better than X1C 7th gen with same specs no ?
Thank you for the video.
I'm wondering if there is any ThinkPad X1 carbon unit that comes at 13 or 13.3 inches?
No, they only come in 14inch
@@F.c1 thank you for your reply. do they have touchscreen versions?
@@ekeretteekpo3004 yes, they do come in touchscreen versions, but the non-touch ones are better on battery life
@@F.c1 wow! A supplier misinformed me, then. Yeah. I can imagine they will be better on battery life. Thank you for your replies, truly. They've been helpful. 🙏
Uhm... Do you know if they usually come with replaceable RAM or are they always soldered?
@@ekeretteekpo3004 All of the X1's come with soldered ram, which is unfortunate.
@1:08...6th of 7th gen? Earlier, you said 7th gen on the right.
Lol good catch. Can't believe I missed that through editing. That's def the 7th gen on the right.
it would be a near perfect laptop if it wasn’t for the shameful battery/ motherboard defect that causes the laptop to go into sleep/hibernation mode every few minutes.
it’s an hardware bug and there should be a “recall”. but there isn’t, and nobody talks about it. not even the so called “objective” tech reviewers.
my x1 carbon 7 gen came with this defect right out of the box!
you can read about this problem in this thread:
forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X1-Carbon-Gen-7-regularly-mistakes-empty-battery-and-shuts-down/m-p/4561156
thanks man for the link!
was about to buy that laptop, but I think I won't after I have red the battery issues mentioned from the lenovo forum
what a shame :-(
couldn't find any similar laptops though
Are they touch screen laptops?
Legend Emperor i do not think so,
Yes you can get it with touched screen
Hi Andrew! Have you heard anything about the X1 Carbon 8th gen? Any thoughts on how it compares to the 7th? Is it worth waiting for?
Thanks!
A product sheet for the X1C8 popped up on the Lenovo website (news.lenovo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/LENOVO-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Gen8-R4.pdf). Looks like the main difference is the new 6-core processor over the current 4-core. Not a massive upgrade IMO given thermal limitations of the X1, but if you have a core-dependent workload (like running development VMs) then it might be worth it. As a caveat, this is the time of year they usually launch models, so if you can hold out a bit longer it might be worth waiting to see if the early product sheet was missing anything.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 indeed! Two additional questions:
1) Have you heard anything about the release date?
2) Given that 80% of my time on the X1 will be classic productivity/multitasking and only 20% photo/video editing, do think the slightly higher price of the Gen8 will be worth it relative to the Gen7? If not, then do you think its worth waiting for Gen8 to come out (given that it's 'that time of year'?) so as to get the gen 7 for cheaper?
So, I’m considering getting the Gen’ 7 with WQHD IPS anti-glare... do you think it’s worth getting over and above the 1080, at the expense of battery life?
did you decide between QHD and FHD? which did you go for? I'm making same decision.
Darryl Sacks I’ll get back to you... have a second hand Gen 6 WQHD HDR on its way. Suspect I’ll be be keen to see the non-glossy version though
@@sacksdarryl Verdict: FHD should be just fine. Just don't get the glossy HDR unless your sole use is watching video. Mine's a Gen 6. Speakers aren't too great as has been well reported. Also, I find the keyboard quite stiff to use tbh. Might be selling this and looking at a Dell Latitude
If you had to choose one for typing, which one do you prefer?
Gen 6
Right at 1:00 mark, you say the 6th GEN is on the left and 7th GEN on right, but then point to the right unit and call it a 6th GEN, which is correct?
Right is 7th
does the 7th generation got very warm on the right upper side of the keyboard?
6 gen also get a lil warm use charger it won't be so warm
Do u reccomend for students ??
Yeah either of these would be great for students. The 1080p models will get even better battery life and I think they look pretty good as well.
how's the heat management on the x1C 7th gen? is it better?
I heard that the x1C 6th has overheating issues
They edit video on it or what?
Which keyboard is better ?
7th
@@IStMl why and how do you know ?
Do you find both models collect fingerprints easily?
Unfortunately yes. The 7th gen hides them a bit better on the outside, but they're both worse than pretty much every other laptop I've used in this regard. The soft touch finish is very pleasant to use.
Andrew Thrasher any visible signs of the matte finishes chipping or degrading on the X1C6?
Do these come in touchscreen? what do they weigh, in lbs please. What would be comparable with also 2 in 1 touchscreen?
No touchscreen on the normal X1 Carbon, but Lenovo sells an X1 Yoga that is nearly identical to the X1 Carbon, but with a touchscreen that folds all the way around into tablet mode. Both of these are 2.5lbs, while the X1 Yoga is a bit heavier at 3lbs.
7th gen have speakers on top and bottom. You missed this big time.
It's got subwoofer and hence a smaller battery of 51 WHr compared to Gen 6 at 57 WHr. But T480 had great audio unlike the X1C 6 and T480s.