This probably your best list yet man good job bro I have no disagreements especially since most of them are similar to previous ones besides some upscaled characters…also glad you got Piccolo real high man ppl tend to sleep on him. I haven’t seen the movie yet but I’m not one of them ppl who cries about spoilers cause I’ve been spoiled heavily on Instagram anyways but keep up the good work man 🔥🔥🔥
Amazing vid. This is exactly how I pictured the scaling as well, so we agree there. I don't know if Frieza deserves his spot tho. Fuck Beerus. INCREDIBLE choice of music as well, Dokkan OST always hits. Maybe Piccolo could be placed right below Goku, but that's debatable. Good stuff.
Golden frieza is pretty much equal to blue goku and vegeta in the broly movie who should be on par with blue kaioken x 20 and blue evolved selves from the top Surviving broly and etc but thank you!
@@sedmo4310 I don't agree as well. But he endured a beating from SSJ Broly for an entire hour and still maintained his Golden form + pushed him with his aura when he transformed + staggered him and pushed him to dodge in the Light Novel. This is why I guess. SSJ Broly is 50x Blue level.
@@BeastXIS Realizing Frieza got his shit kicked in ruthlessly by a Jiren tier fighter for 12 minutes longer than the entire in-universe duration of the TOP. Jesus Christ. He got bullied.
ahh yes, Good old Moving Goal Post Beerus, Cant believe i forgot about him 🤮🤮 Great video, nothing I disagree with really, just annoyed my boy Gohan got kicked out of the top 5 lol.
Biarra wasn't stronger than 18 at all lmao. She literally called him pathetic during their match and played with him. Nothing indicates he was above her so I don't get why is he even on the list at all.
@@vadosu4521 i don't care that much about this but biarra was fighting both 17 and 18 at the same time and took them spam that ki blasts to beat him with 17 proving himself later on he was stronger
For me starting from piccolo( weakest to strongest) should be this: 1. Orange piccolo 2. Lssj broly 3. Cell max 4. Jiren 5. Mui goku 6. Gogeta blue 7. Gohan beast. From weakest to strongest.
Cell max should be below broly. If im not wrong it was stated that only perfect cell max could be stronger broly but not the monster one. Still gratefull putting jiren so high. Where is moro, granolah and gas btw? Or is it just anime version?
Personal Scaling wise: MUI Goku/ Gogeta Blue> LB Jiren> Beerus/Lssj Fp Broly> Beast Gohan>Base Jiren> Cell Max>Orange Piccolo >Ssj Broly>Ikari Broly> Gammas/Goku and Vegeta *I say this bc I’m not sure if you might be aware but the director state the movie is like a sequel to Broly and that the Manga event are like a parallel continuity. (Ciphor posted about it on Twitter hence why I use Anime scaling only as of now).*
Personally I believe Broly might be stronger than Beast Gohan seeing how Toryiama statement about If Cell Max is complete, Broly won’t be a match when a logical approach would of been that Gohan won’t be a match. Then within like the same promo, they say Broly is the strongest man in universe 7 so it’s kinda of all over the place.
I think Base Jiren might be stronger than Cell Max. Cell Max seem to taken damage from a Goku/Vegeta attack where as a Base Jiren with his aura alone just blink away Goku, Vegeta, and 17 away causally. Gohan said Goku and Vegeta might not be strong enough to beat Cell Max but I find it weird to even include Vegeta in the statement at all if in the Anime, he’s two transformations behind Goku. Or in the Manga where Vegeta doesn’t catch up to MUI Goku until Granola arc which by then he should already be above Cell Max…
Nah he been surpassed during the top but Toriyama keeps tryna make him still relevant so you get out of nowhere statements like beerus is stronger than current mui. Even tho jiren from like 3 arcs ago was already stated above the gods which includes beerus.
@@kingbevan1993 Yes they keep retconning him to make him stay relevant, because they need to. They didn’t think this far ahead while that early in production or in the manga. Could they have done it better? Absolutely, by not throwing in those vague statements throughout super. I myself was against this Beerus always being the strongest until this movie came up. I don’t see people getting mad when Gohan got this big power up and is probably stronger than UI Goku from TOP and Gogeta blue(although I disagree on that) and piccolo himself got a very big power up out of nowhere. Now if they didn’t retcon Beerus and went by the battle of gods statements by Toriyama, orange piccolo should be stronger than Whis. Anyone who disagrees on this needs to watch battle of gods arc again and realise how big the power up between ss 3 and ss god was. They could have done it better but they need to retcon Beerus to make him stay relevant with the intention of when he was introduced. And they will probably continue to do so until super gets to a Whis level threat.
@@BusterMyth1 well the whole gohan scaling makes sense considering a above broly level threat cell max was one shotted by gohan. Gohan even smiled when cell max punched him not even taking damage. While as gogeta used a hint of his true power to beat broly. Still an ass pull transformation tho
Not a bad list I would say in the anime conclusion of the top mui goku and jiren is above beerus but thats gonna change in the later adaptations of future arcs.( cough moving goal post) Golden frieza above toppo i disagree with brodie almost died from 1 hakai.
I understand why frieza was so high considering the broly movie but I'm confused on why zamasu is above kefla when there's many statements to say otherwise like her ssj rivaling the spirit bomb and especially the rage form which UI sign Goku had to be aware of.
I high balled future trunks arc characters because its still makes no sense how kale and caulifa are both weaker than a tired God Goku yet could be stronger than a fusion of goku black and zamasu because of crazy statements lol but if did bases it off those statements then kefla would would be higher than Vegito and know one wants that
Damn as far as the anime goes, Vegeta really has fallen behind. And looking at it overall with the manga, Freeza and 17 are nothing special now. One thing odd, you have the gamma's relative to Broly movie Goku and Vegeta, right. So why is Vegeta below them. Shouldn't you have picked Blue vegeta from Broly movie and put them at tie?
@@xXSonTJXx kelfa ssj2 lol went toe to toe with ui 1st form omen something merged zamasu couldn't do but yes goku black is my fav character also you forgot to add the xeno guards stronger then grand priest how could you forget ☠
@@gregkareem9824 you're using headcannon...we don't know how strong the xeno guards are. Don't you dare reference Mr. Master-use-to-tracy-tracer-media haha You Said something Zamasu couldn't do...soooo are referring to Super Dragon ball heroes
Cell max was so far above Broly he would not be able to beat him so Cell Max is SSJ Blue Gogeta level and Gohan no sold that level character so that’s why
@@音隠れの忍五人衆 c'mon man, you're overthinking things. It's literally not impossible cuz the movies are equivalent to a next episode of the show. In addition having characters in the movies referencing the past to help with what's going in the movie. And he's putting Jiren from the t.o.p above Broly that's from the Broly Movie. Not like current them cuz we don't even know how legit strong are without the headcannon stuff. It's pretty simple (before all the retconing and nerfing statements) Jiren "literally shown everywhere" is the Mortal above Gods of Destruction while Broly "from the movie itself" may have been above beerus. You're just overthinking things...it's pretty simple.
Oh come on my g, gogeta blue >>>>> beast gohan, it’s not even a debate bro like come on, manga goku and vegeta slam gohan and gohan is comparable to top ui goku at best, he’s no where near gogeta and I’m pretty sure toriyama confirmed that Broly is above jiren?
This comment feels very anti Gohan lol Toriyama never confirmed that Broly was stronger than Jiren Gogeta was forced to got blue and use a lot of his moves on Broly when he was tanking them While Gohan no showed Cell Max who was stated in many guides to be stronger than Broly and Akira said if Cell max was completed Broly wouldn’t be able to stop him and in the movie they stated Cell max is completed just missing the mind control to use him as a weapon Jiren and broly are mad compatible as well So if UI Goku and Gogeta Blue can’t no show jiren or Broly like Gohan Beast can cell max who is stronger than both Then Gohan is stronger than all of them
@@xXSonTJXx Sorry for making it this long 😅 it was said that cell max would have taken down Broly if he was completed, never that he was stronger, it was something like “ an android capable of taking down Broly or defeating Broly. cell max was actually complete in terms of strength because in the movie doc said that he needed to complete his mind that’s all, so basically if Broly fought incomplete cell max, it’s a mindless Broly was can adapt to battle VERY well and grow stronger easily vs a mindless cell max, both of them are going crazy and have no tactic but Broly would win cause cell is not complete, if cell max was finished he would fight like percent cell, strategically like he would be very smart in terms terms of battle iq and he could use a move similar to special beam canon or something else to take down Broly, in Broly vs mindless cell max it’s basically a battle of power, cause both of them will fight with no tactic and Broly would win there I’m a battle of power because it was stated that only if cell max was completed he could take down Broly.
@@abhaypatel605 broly is mindless when he is at full power so the logic is flawed And akira said a cell max would be so powerful even broly wouldn’t be able to stop him
@@xXSonTJXx Once again, sorry for the essay that’s my point exactly, Broly is mindless and so is incomplete cell max, so it’s just a battle of power and Akira said that cell max needs to be complete to beat Broly, so if he is Incomplete Broly wins, you missed an entire point of mine, cell max was not going to be stronger than he aldredy was, his power was complete, all that was left to add to him was his mind so he can fight strategically. Remember this point, all that was left to do was make his mind complete not his power as it said in the movie, so Broly is stronger than cell max and if cell max was complete, Broly is still stronger because he still has the same power only now he a mind and can defeat Broly with pure skill and strategy. I’m short cell max will have the same power complete or incomplete and Broly is stronger either way but a complete cell max can beat him because he had a mind because toriyama never said cell max “stronger” than broly, he said if cell max was complete he could defeat Broly implying that an incomplete can’t beat Broly and if you ask me how I know if cell max would have the same power if he was finished, in the movie when doc was asked when cell max will be complete, he said the only thing left was to finish his mind, which implied he was finished in every other aspect. Also on your goku vs vegeta video I commented about an ability of ui goku, so do you mind reading that later.
I fw most of the list, the Goku black arc characters are WAY TOO HIGH, 17 is too low, Kefla is too low, krillin should be >~ 18 top krillin is actually disgusting dis nigga krillin could box wit niggas dat can smack the goofy outta Android 18, krillin can also force Goku into ssj, Frieza should be > ssbe Vegeta by the end of the top and 17 should be ~ ssbe Vegeta
I feel Present Zamasu should be 34 and Future Zamasu 28. Black Goku be above Dyspo (24) but weaker than Hit. Toppo be above Golden Frieza(16)(Personally I don’t think Frieza gotten stronger per say but rather just durable) Disagree with MUI Goku being below Cell Max and Final Gohan. He should likely be by 6 Manga continuity or 4 if going by Anime continuity. (Personally I have MUI Goku equal to or higher than Gogeta Blue but won’t get upset if you believe Blue Gogeta above Mui)
@@xXSonTJXx Not for Frieza imo. He’s been showcase to have high durability like surviving getting cut in half, final Kamehameha from Super Saiyan Goku, and Namek blowing up even tho he use all the energy that Goku gave him right back at Goku. Survive Toppo’s Hakai and still had energy to fight Toppo. Like Frieza a weird case in Dragon Ball
@@shaquillesommerville4060 lol you contradicting yourself and bringing up irrelevant stuff. You should already know dragon ball characters durability is equal to there attack output. Stop acting "new" oh fellow dragon ball fan
@@ShaneFullerYT Where’s the contradiction? Frieza is literally a special case. Frieza had zero energy left but yet somehow survive Super Saiyan Goku’s attack(and we definitely ain’t going say Frieza above Super Saiyan Goku) Nor are we going say Frieza who survive Toppo’s hakai means he’s stronger than Toppo. Literally Frieza’s durability is extremely high compare to others
@@shaquillesommerville4060 I say you're contradicting yourself cuz you obviously keep up with the series, but yet...you're acting like you Don't know about series. And you're using headcannon...how was frieza at 0 energy...yet he was still up and conscious. But anyways over that, just because frieza's level is so low doesn't mean he can't tank a planet exploding...didn't you really forget...frieza in his final form at 2% power can one-shot saiyan Saga vegeta who's a planet Buster. It's not far fetch. Since Recoome blew away gohan's blast (gohan who was as strong as saiyan saga vegeta) with his breatheYou should know about this stuff. It's the tournament of power....you already the characters aren't trying to kill eachother. And plus, Frieza even tho frieza is dead so his body is pretty tanky regardless...but frieza doesn't give up easily...just like goku he'll still try to push on regardless what obstacles infront of him.
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I almost spat out my water when read "Moving Goal Post" 🤣
We’ve just accepted that Gods of Destruction can’t be ranked with how inconsistent they are since they’re a moving goal post.
I don't think just Gods of Destruction...it's just Beerus haha.
@@ShaneFullerYT same
@@ShaneFullerYT FACTS
@@ShaneFullerYT lol
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0. Zeno/Future Zeno
1. Grand Priest
2. Vados
3. Whis
4. Goku (MUI)/Vegito (SSB)/Gogeta (SSB)
5. Jiren (SFP)/Broly (LSSJFP)/Beerus
6. Gohan (New Beast Form)
7. Cell Max
8. Vegeta (SSBE)
9. Piccolo (Potential Unlocked/Orange form)
10. Gamma 1/Gamma 2
This probably your best list yet man good job bro I have no disagreements especially since most of them are similar to previous ones besides some upscaled characters…also glad you got Piccolo real high man ppl tend to sleep on him. I haven’t seen the movie yet but I’m not one of them ppl who cries about spoilers cause I’ve been spoiled heavily on Instagram anyways but keep up the good work man 🔥🔥🔥
Watch piccolo soloing everybody in the next t.o.p
Maybe we should just exclude Beerus from any top strongest videos? The guy keeps getting power ups out his ass every arc.
Moving goal post lol very accurate.
Great video!
will there be a top tier list in the future that will include both continuities, or just manga?
Amazing vid. This is exactly how I pictured the scaling as well, so we agree there. I don't know if Frieza deserves his spot tho. Fuck Beerus. INCREDIBLE choice of music as well, Dokkan OST always hits. Maybe Piccolo could be placed right below Goku, but that's debatable. Good stuff.
Golden frieza is pretty much equal to blue goku and vegeta in the broly movie who should be on par with blue kaioken x 20 and blue evolved selves from the top
Surviving broly and etc but thank you!
Yessir nice video and effort TJ
Great video. I have no disagreements pretty much.
Except maybe Frieza being above Toppo but that's debatable. XD
What would put Frieza above Toppo?
@@sedmo4310 I don't agree as well. But he endured a beating from SSJ Broly for an entire hour and still maintained his Golden form + pushed him with his aura when he transformed + staggered him and pushed him to dodge in the Light Novel.
This is why I guess.
SSJ Broly is 50x Blue level.
Frieza surviving SSJ Broly for an hour and vegeta still seeing him as a threat to train for so yeah
@@BeastXIS Realizing Frieza got his shit kicked in ruthlessly by a Jiren tier fighter for 12 minutes longer than the entire in-universe duration of the TOP. Jesus Christ. He got bullied.
@@kaiju9645 Well. SSJ Broly is not really Jiren tier. FPSSJ Broly is (The Green Haired one)
But I agree, it is very impressive
Oh so this is only anime and movie verse? Nice
ahh yes, Good old Moving Goal Post Beerus, Cant believe i forgot about him 🤮🤮
Great video, nothing I disagree with really, just annoyed my boy Gohan got kicked out of the top 5 lol.
I mostly agree with your list except maybe frieza is to high. Otherwise I have to say you did a great job placing both piccolo and gohan, also beerus
*Black Frieza steps into chat*
This was a great list them Goku fans are probably upset right now
Nice list tj and your edit insightfull as usual
Great video man but what’s the song that plays at 11:41??
Song in the description!
Out of curiosity, where would you put Goku and Vegeta’s regular ssb forms? Nice video btw
probably around top blue evolved vegeta!
The boy is a dokkan ost lover I see
Lmao they been dropping bangers recently and hip hop remixes are not as common as they used to be
Biarra wasn't stronger than 18 at all lmao. She literally called him pathetic during their match and played with him. Nothing indicates he was above her so I don't get why is he even on the list at all.
very passionate about Biarra i see lol
@@xXSonTJXx Not really lol, it's just a nitpick that you put a character with little to no feats that high on the list lol.
@@vadosu4521 i don't care that much about this but biarra was fighting both 17 and 18 at the same time and took them spam that ki blasts to beat him
with 17 proving himself later on he was stronger
@@xXSonTJXx Dude the androids weren't taking the fight seriously at all, they were just playing with him.
when you realise that cell max could solo the entire Tournament of power
For me starting from piccolo( weakest to strongest) should be this:
1. Orange piccolo
2. Lssj broly
3. Cell max
4. Jiren
5. Mui goku
6. Gogeta blue
7. Gohan beast.
From weakest to strongest.
man the movie won't be out in my country,which suuucks
Cell max should be below broly. If im not wrong it was stated that only perfect cell max could be stronger broly but not the monster one. Still gratefull putting jiren so high. Where is moro, granolah and gas btw? Or is it just anime version?
Personal Scaling wise:
MUI Goku/ Gogeta Blue> LB Jiren> Beerus/Lssj Fp Broly> Beast Gohan>Base Jiren> Cell Max>Orange Piccolo >Ssj Broly>Ikari Broly> Gammas/Goku and Vegeta
*I say this bc I’m not sure if you might be aware but the director state the movie is like a sequel to Broly and that the Manga event are like a parallel continuity. (Ciphor posted about it on Twitter hence why I use Anime scaling only as of now).*
Personally I believe Broly might be stronger than Beast Gohan seeing how Toryiama statement about If Cell Max is complete, Broly won’t be a match when a logical approach would of been that Gohan won’t be a match.
Then within like the same promo, they say Broly is the strongest man in universe 7 so it’s kinda of all over the place.
I think Base Jiren might be stronger than Cell Max. Cell Max seem to taken damage from a Goku/Vegeta attack where as a Base Jiren with his aura alone just blink away Goku, Vegeta, and 17 away causally.
Gohan said Goku and Vegeta might not be strong enough to beat Cell Max but I find it weird to even include Vegeta in the statement at all if in the Anime, he’s two transformations behind Goku. Or in the Manga where Vegeta doesn’t catch up to MUI Goku until Granola arc which by then he should already be above Cell Max…
Perfect Placement for Beerus I agree with you. Beerus is the strongest character in Dragon Ball besides the Angels, Grand Priest, and Zeno.
Nah he been surpassed during the top but Toriyama keeps tryna make him still relevant so you get out of nowhere statements like beerus is stronger than current mui. Even tho jiren from like 3 arcs ago was already stated above the gods which includes beerus.
@@kingbevan1993 Loooooool!
@@HotshotABYT what is so funny?
@@kingbevan1993 Yes they keep retconning him to make him stay relevant, because they need to. They didn’t think this far ahead while that early in production or in the manga. Could they have done it better? Absolutely, by not throwing in those vague statements throughout super. I myself was against this Beerus always being the strongest until this movie came up. I don’t see people getting mad when Gohan got this big power up and is probably stronger than UI Goku from TOP and Gogeta blue(although I disagree on that) and piccolo himself got a very big power up out of nowhere. Now if they didn’t retcon Beerus and went by the battle of gods statements by Toriyama, orange piccolo should be stronger than Whis. Anyone who disagrees on this needs to watch battle of gods arc again and realise how big the power up between ss 3 and ss god was. They could have done it better but they need to retcon Beerus to make him stay relevant with the intention of when he was introduced. And they will probably continue to do so until super gets to a Whis level threat.
@@BusterMyth1 well the whole gohan scaling makes sense considering a above broly level threat cell max was one shotted by gohan. Gohan even smiled when cell max punched him not even taking damage. While as gogeta used a hint of his true power to beat broly.
Still an ass pull transformation tho
Bro how you gon put Zamasu lower when he fought equally against Vegito Blue. Let alone overpowering him in a collision lol
Not a bad list I would say in the anime conclusion of the top mui goku and jiren is above beerus but thats gonna change in the later adaptations of future arcs.( cough moving goal post)
Golden frieza above toppo i disagree with brodie almost died from 1 hakai.
golden frieza from the broly movie rivals goku and vegeta
tanked hita from broly for an hour and he pushed him back at first
@@xXSonTJXx thought it was top golden frieza my bad lol.
Where would you put Arale on this list
Other place that honarable mention
No idea tbh lol
I understand why frieza was so high considering the broly movie but I'm confused on why zamasu is above kefla when there's many statements to say otherwise like her ssj rivaling the spirit bomb and especially the rage form which UI sign Goku had to be aware of.
I high balled future trunks arc characters because its still makes no sense how kale and caulifa are both weaker than a tired God Goku yet could be stronger than a fusion of goku black and zamasu because of crazy statements lol but if did bases it off those statements then kefla would would be higher than Vegito and know one wants that
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Awesome list but i would put vegetto and gogeta a lot higher
Vegetto lower than brolly
Gogeta lower than whis
☠☠☠☠ no way where's the other angels list and G.O.D ranks?
He literally had Cell Max above Broly. What are you talking about?
huh?
@@xXSonTJXx He changed his comment btw.
It was: "Perfect Cell Max below Broly??? No way!!!"
Lmao 😂
@@BeastXIS lmfao 🤣
Damn as far as the anime goes, Vegeta really has fallen behind.
And looking at it overall with the manga, Freeza and 17 are nothing special now.
One thing odd, you have the gamma's relative to Broly movie Goku and Vegeta, right. So why is Vegeta below them.
Shouldn't you have picked Blue vegeta from Broly movie and put them at tie?
gamma's have unlimited ki while blue, blue evolved and blue kaioken have stamina or time limits
" Freeza and 17 are nothing special"
Well that didn't aged well 🤣😅
@@neil_di_giovanni98 Lmao. to be fair, half still aged like wine. Hope it stays that way.
Okey Fantastic list as always
Here is mine
1/2. Zeno and Future Zeno
3. EL Grande Padre
4. Vados
5. Whis
6. Gohan (Beast
7. Goku (UI)
8. Jiren
9. Gogeta
10. Cell Max
11. Broly
12. Beerus (plot armor haven't kick in YET)
13. Piccolo
14. Fat Gotenks
15. Gama 2
16. Gama 1
17. Golden Frieza
18. Vegeta (blue evolution)
19. Trunks
20. Gotenks
Because of toyotaro statements maybe broly >=goku
Gogeta and gohan possibly higher than beerus by statements
Whats statement are you even talking about?
@@xXSonTJXx the one where toyotaro said that goku still need to catch up to beerus and broly
@@equ-ipe6893 that was the editor not toyotaro and the beginning of the arc stated goku was the strongest in the universe before Granolah’s wish
@@xXSonTJXx good point but why didn’t toyotaro deny it or restate the statement?
@@equ-ipe6893 no idea I’m not toyo but not responding to it doesn’t mean he agrees
Just being respectful and not trying to make him look dumb
25 and up just have a lot of debatable things. dragon ball scaling so ass
Goten and trunks have sane vage scaling to gamas and Chad Piccolo
Kelfa weaker then zamasu? No way ☠
Dude with a Goku Black avatar said this, what side are you on?! lol
@@xXSonTJXx kelfa ssj2 lol went toe to toe with ui 1st form omen something merged zamasu couldn't do but yes goku black is my fav character also you forgot to add the xeno guards stronger then grand priest how could you forget ☠
@@gregkareem9824 She was getting her ass beat lol
@@gregkareem9824 you're using headcannon...we don't know how strong the xeno guards are. Don't you dare reference Mr. Master-use-to-tracy-tracer-media haha
You Said something Zamasu couldn't do...soooo are referring to Super Dragon ball heroes
@@ShaneFullerYT o ☠☠
Wait how would gohan be above SSB Gogeta
Plot
Cell max was so far above Broly he would not be able to beat him so Cell Max is SSJ Blue Gogeta level and Gohan no sold that level character so that’s why
Also there was statements saying it was the strongest battle that took place on earth
Ui goku ( manga ) >> beast gohan
Sorry but doesn't make sense.
What doesn't make any sense?
@@音隠れの忍五人衆 c'mon man, you're overthinking things. It's literally not impossible cuz the movies are equivalent to a next episode of the show. In addition having characters in the movies referencing the past to help with what's going in the movie. And he's putting Jiren from the t.o.p above Broly that's from the Broly Movie. Not like current them cuz we don't even know how legit strong are without the headcannon stuff. It's pretty simple (before all the retconing and nerfing statements) Jiren "literally shown everywhere" is the Mortal above Gods of Destruction while Broly "from the movie itself" may have been above beerus. You're just overthinking things...it's pretty simple.
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Oh come on my g, gogeta blue >>>>> beast gohan, it’s not even a debate bro like come on, manga goku and vegeta slam gohan and gohan is comparable to top ui goku at best, he’s no where near gogeta and I’m pretty sure toriyama confirmed that Broly is above jiren?
This comment feels very anti Gohan lol
Toriyama never confirmed that Broly was stronger than Jiren
Gogeta was forced to got blue and use a lot of his moves on Broly when he was tanking them
While Gohan no showed Cell Max who was stated in many guides to be stronger than Broly and Akira said if Cell max was completed Broly wouldn’t be able to stop him and in the movie they stated Cell max is completed just missing the mind control to use him as a weapon
Jiren and broly are mad compatible as well
So if UI Goku and Gogeta Blue can’t no show jiren or Broly like Gohan Beast can cell max who is stronger than both
Then Gohan is stronger than all of them
@@xXSonTJXx
Sorry for making it this long 😅
it was said that cell max would have taken down Broly if he was completed, never that he was stronger, it was something like “ an android capable of taking down Broly or defeating Broly. cell max was actually complete in terms of strength because in the movie doc said that he needed to complete his mind that’s all, so basically if Broly fought incomplete cell max, it’s a mindless Broly was can adapt to battle VERY well and grow stronger easily vs a mindless cell max, both of them are going crazy and have no tactic but Broly would win cause cell is not complete, if cell max was finished he would fight like percent cell, strategically like he would be very smart in terms terms of battle iq and he could use a move similar to special beam canon or something else to take down Broly, in Broly vs mindless cell max it’s basically a battle of power, cause both of them will fight with no tactic and Broly would win there I’m a battle of power because it was stated that only if cell max was completed he could take down Broly.
@@abhaypatel605 broly is mindless when he is at full power so the logic is flawed
And akira said a cell max would be so powerful even broly wouldn’t be able to stop him
@@xXSonTJXx
Once again, sorry for the essay
that’s my point exactly, Broly is mindless and so is incomplete cell max, so it’s just a battle of power and Akira said that cell max needs to be complete to beat Broly, so if he is Incomplete Broly wins, you missed an entire point of mine, cell max was not going to be stronger than he aldredy was, his power was complete, all that was left to add to him was his mind so he can fight strategically. Remember this point, all that was left to do was make his mind complete not his power as it said in the movie, so Broly is stronger than cell max and if cell max was complete, Broly is still stronger because he still has the same power only now he a mind and can defeat Broly with pure skill and strategy.
I’m short cell max will have the same power complete or incomplete and Broly is stronger either way but a complete cell max can beat him because he had a mind because toriyama never said cell max “stronger” than broly, he said if cell max was complete he could defeat Broly implying that an incomplete can’t beat Broly and if you ask me how I know if cell max would have the same power if he was finished, in the movie when doc was asked when cell max will be complete, he said the only thing left was to finish his mind, which implied he was finished in every other aspect. Also on your goku vs vegeta video I commented about an ability of ui goku, so do you mind reading that later.
@@xXSonTJXx hey it’s me again, you do agree that gogeta slams gohan correct? Gogeta didn’t need blue to beat up Broly.
Opm list? 😁
I could try just don't know how accurate it would be
@@xXSonTJXx no ones list would be accurate anyways, unless it was made by ONE or Murata so fuck it give a shot at what you think
I fw most of the list, the Goku black arc characters are WAY TOO HIGH, 17 is too low, Kefla is too low, krillin should be >~ 18 top krillin is actually disgusting dis nigga krillin could box wit niggas dat can smack the goofy outta Android 18, krillin can also force Goku into ssj, Frieza should be > ssbe Vegeta by the end of the top and 17 should be ~ ssbe Vegeta
I feel Present Zamasu should be 34 and Future Zamasu 28.
Black Goku be above Dyspo (24) but weaker than Hit.
Toppo be above Golden Frieza(16)(Personally I don’t think Frieza gotten stronger per say but rather just durable)
Disagree with MUI Goku being below Cell Max and Final Gohan. He should likely be by 6 Manga continuity or 4 if going by Anime continuity. (Personally I have MUI Goku equal to or higher than Gogeta Blue but won’t get upset if you believe Blue Gogeta above Mui)
durability usually equals damage output plus frieza did push broly back
@@xXSonTJXx Not for Frieza imo. He’s been showcase to have high durability like surviving getting cut in half, final Kamehameha from Super Saiyan Goku, and Namek blowing up even tho he use all the energy that Goku gave him right back at Goku.
Survive Toppo’s Hakai and still had energy to fight Toppo.
Like Frieza a weird case in Dragon Ball
@@shaquillesommerville4060 lol you contradicting yourself and bringing up irrelevant stuff. You should already know dragon ball characters durability is equal to there attack output. Stop acting "new" oh fellow dragon ball fan
@@ShaneFullerYT Where’s the contradiction? Frieza is literally a special case. Frieza had zero energy left but yet somehow survive Super Saiyan Goku’s attack(and we definitely ain’t going say Frieza above Super Saiyan Goku)
Nor are we going say Frieza who survive Toppo’s hakai means he’s stronger than Toppo. Literally Frieza’s durability is extremely high compare to others
@@shaquillesommerville4060 I say you're contradicting yourself cuz you obviously keep up with the series, but yet...you're acting like you Don't know about series.
And you're using headcannon...how was frieza at 0 energy...yet he was still up and conscious. But anyways over that, just because frieza's level is so low doesn't mean he can't tank a planet exploding...didn't you really forget...frieza in his final form at 2% power can one-shot saiyan Saga vegeta who's a planet Buster. It's not far fetch. Since Recoome blew away gohan's blast (gohan who was as strong as saiyan saga vegeta) with his breatheYou should know about this stuff.
It's the tournament of power....you already the characters aren't trying to kill eachother. And plus, Frieza even tho frieza is dead so his body is pretty tanky regardless...but frieza doesn't give up easily...just like goku he'll still try to push on regardless what obstacles infront of him.