@Game Plays 1230 first off it's captain not caption. Second, I'm sure the pilot had a very strong poop smell all the way to his destination. But I do agree that the pilots were also at fault for not responding to the atc orders.
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Ya and also if the tcas and the controller are saying the opposite thing then the pilots should inform the controller that the tcas said something different
Joking aside, that is a really good idea, but I think ATC should already get TCAS data. They are obligated to instruct plane to switch on TCAS if it is turned off.
@pepe And when has TCAS ever failed? If Pilots had followed TCAS, which err less than humans, and I have never heard of TCAS failing, then this incident and the German mid-air crash the following year would have been avoided. You call me an idiot but you agree with these pilots rebellious and near disasterous actions. So if I were flying the 747, I would have obeyed TCAS and lived, you potentially would have killed hundreds of people. Who's the idiot now?
@pepe It matters not who sounds more urgent, what matters is what will prevent an accident. A well programmed TCAS or a controller who does not have the information on the TCAS received by both planes? You still haven't shown me an incident where obeying TCAS would have caused a collision, the only collisions or near collisions involving TCAS is when it was disobeyed and the controller's command was followed. No wonder aviation authorities around the world now state that in a conflict, TCAS takes precedence over the controller.
@@thomasnorton2679 yep it's good that they sorted out the TCAS vs ATC thing (unfortunately not without blood) but in this particular case, I wouldn't really say it was a lacking-brains thing, more like there was no standard protocol for such occasion.
So true. Mother: always make sure you wear clean underwear when you leave the house. Passengers of JAL907 and JAL958: they were clean when we left the house.
@hehe Hahah I can hear that in my head every time I forget to do a chore for my girlfriend but when she realizes I haven't done it she doesn't say anything.
The DC-10 flew over the top of the 747 but was in a hard descent. They got extremely lucky in spite of the pilots doing everything they could to make the collision happen.
Ive trained my little boy.. .. since the age of 1.. to recognize shapes.. colors.. and "patterns" of cars. He knows what 90% of the vehicles on the road are.. cause he pays attention. Convertibles or not, stick or auto, gas or diesel... My child wouldnt say that. Hed say DA-DA, look at that DC10. Id look over..
Frankly I find it very stupid that the *trainee* was being held responsible when a trainee is someone that is NEW to the job and thus is being TRAINED on how to DO their job. That's why when a trainee messes it up it is almost always the responsibility of the supervisor or field training officer. Also it doesn't surprise me that the pilots prioritized ATC instructions, back then, TCAS was really only mandated to be listened to in the US and a few other countries - Japan was NOT originally one of them.
That trainee nearly caused 677 deaths. If they had actually crashed, someone would have to answer for all that carnage and the man who repeatedly put those planes on a collision course would be the obvious suspect.
Japan doesn't screw around, i'm not surprised after being found not guilty prosecutors found a way to turn it around, you're almost always guilty in Japan.
Edax the controller wasn’t the one putting them on a collision course. He told the 747 to descend but the tcas warnings told it to climb. He isn’t aware of what the tcas is saying. He also tried to contact the md to alter course but they didn’t respond. The controllers could have separated them sooner in anticipation, however I think it’s very harsh to blame solely the controllers when it seemed to be a confluence of bad luck
@@charliethomas9173 Wrong, the 747 was 2,000 feet higher than the DC-10, but he told them to descend. Had the told them to climb and the DC-10 to descend then they wouldn't have gotten so close. The 747 pilots chose to obey the controller and descend, and not the TCAS which was telling them to climb.
I know right? That's exactly what I just said, before I saw your comment. So insane especially from the supervisors and managers of the control towers. If these guys have such a big role, why didn't they work in teams with a superior always beside them, like it is with a captain and first officer?
Seriously, though, should there be a limit to the number of trainees on board each aircraft? (Don't get me started on the emotionally-neutered ATCs😖!!!)
A request for clarification of the rules surrounding TCAS - regarding who/what has primacy in such situations - was made of ICAO by the Japanese Aviation authorities after this near miss. Whilst the device itself was mandated to be in cockpits, no hard and fast rule about who/what pilots should give priority was ever given - a serious flaw in the system. However, that request was sitting on the end of someone's desk still waiting for attention when Überlingen occurred - a response would not be forthcoming until quite some time after that disaster occurred. If it had been treated with the criticality it deserved, a plane carrying 47 children might not have ended up cut in two and scattered over the German countryside, 72 people would still be alive, and the family of an air traffic controller wouldn't have had to witness their husband and father being brutally murdered on their doorstep.
that's like saying, "i love how much land there is out there, yet two cars almost managed to crash into each other" how much sky there is isn't the issue. think of it like this: there are are roads that planes tend to follow in the sky, because they've only got so many airports to originate from or land at.
Holy shiiiit. I would have had a heart attack. That was terrifying! Also...was it Trainee Tuesday? Why was EVERYONE involved one? Pick different days to do it guys!
You are OBVIOUSLY NOT a controller. I am and have seen many a TCAS take a situation I had worked out and turned it into a lack of standard separation. TCAS does not take into consideration anything other than the two aircraft it sees as a factor. Had the DC10 followed the controllers instructions and NOT the TCAS everything would have been fine. At least U.S. controllers are protected from this type of prosecution. This was nothing more than a serious mistake.
RealDeel73 No. This was ATC based. Back at this time many airlines didn't instruct their pilots that TCAS was always to be followed unless you could ABSOLUTELY VISUALLY see it was placing you in danger. There were several mid-air collisions because TCAS was ignored in favor of bad Air Traffic Controller commands. A horrible mid-air collision over Europe with a Russian jet carrying hundreds of students and DHL Cargo plane that sliced it in half killed everyone on both planes.
@@sysonic917 Copied and Pasted: Yasuko Momii (籾井 康子 Momii Yasuko),[7] ordered "JAL 957" to climb, intending to tell JAL 907 to climb. There was no "JAL 957" in the sky.[2] The aircraft avoided collision using evasive maneuvers once they were in visual proximity, and passed within about 135 metres (443 ft) of each other. Why do people like you come onto RUclips and just comment nonsense about subjects you obviously know nothing about?.
I believe after the Uberlingen disaster, it was established that if there is a conflict between TCAS and ATC then a pilot must go ahead with TCAS. One pilot following TCAS and the other following ATC caused the Uberlingen mid air collision in 2002. I wish after the above depicted incident, the norm has been made so and then the crash over Uberlingen could have been averted.
@@samhobbs6517 Is it? It was mentioned in that episode of air crash investigation that two countries have two different rules in place. Anyway, very unfortunate.
@@saurajitsinha2852 yep,the rule was already in place before 2002.the problem was,one of the countries didnt incorporate it into their pilot training program
Those kids in the Russian plane could have been in their 30’s now. As far as I know they were all promising kids who supposed to fly to Spain for a well deserve break. Just split seconds wrong decision and their gone. The fragility of life
If this accident happened, could have easily been the worst in history. Over 600 lives would have been lost. Hopefully something like this doesn't happen again.
You should make a "everyone survived" playlist. Sometimes it's too sad watching when a lot of people died, and watching the ones with no victims is heartwarming ❤✈
@@daboxownsall this happened back in the early 2000s and there was no such rule (TCAS overrides ATC). This rule was deployed after an actual collision under the same circumstances (Baskirian 2937 and DHL 611 collision, 71 fatalities and ATC killed later)
I was on a flight recently and looking out of the window could see another aircraft going in the other direction, probably 2000 feet below us. Because of relative speed (each flying at over 900km/h, relative velocity >1800km/h) it was the fastest thing I have ever seen. There would be no time to react.
Just so you know, it wasn’t 1800km. If both flying toward each other at 900km then the relative velocity is 900km. Two objects flying at same speed means hitting each other is the same as hitting a brick wall at 900km
@@samsmiths9536 Velocity = Distance Covered / Time taken. If the distance is the same and the time is halved, the velocity is doubled. So if your brick wall is 900km away and it took you an hour to get there you were travelling at 900 km/h. But if the wall is also travelling towards you at 900km/h then in 30 minutes you will each have traveled 450 km where you would meet. The total distance travelled is still 900km but it was covered in half the time. Refereing to the formula, the relative velocity is 900km / half an hour = 1800km / hour.
Shocking! As near misses go, that was exceptionally close. It must be one of the closest near misses in civilian airliner history. 677 people would have perished if they had collided, far exceeding the current record of 583 people killed in the 1977 Tenerife collision.
All this could be the end of JAL. It might even have exceeded the death toll of the infamous Flight 123 crash. Fortunately it was not like that, the tragedy was prevented and everyone lived to tell about it.
It’s amazingly with that much lead time and making an extreme decent maneuver that the plane still narrowly avoided a collision. That means the plane from Korea was still just descending normally for a normal landing and the 747 could’ve just kept at the same altitude and been fine. This would’ve been a horrible crash with massive loss of life if a collision occurred, glad it didn’t!
If back then there it wasn't regulated that TCAS takes precedence over ATC, shouldn't the pilot have told the ATC that he was getting conflicting information from TCAS?
A good point. My only guess is that it was overlooked due to the trainees or wasn't included in company guidelines and regulations (and at this time ICAO hadn't regulated it), and usually if it's not covered by company guidelines or training and isn't covered by ICAO/NTSB/FAA (the last two of which wouldn't apply to Japanese airline pilots) it doesn't get taught or covered that much. There's a reason why airline companies are practically (or literally) begging former military pilots to join them and that's because they are so well trained and experienced. And most former military pilots don't mind because it allows them to continue flying. I would actually love to see the statistics on how many of them go airline, but I think it's a huge percentage.
That all takes time and I'm guessing they might have tried to do just that but planes take time to react to control inputs, they're not like cars which when you turn the steering wheel they turn, planes take ages to ascend/ descend. Having said that you would still think that if you could see the other flight as these pilots should've been able to you would've been able to avoid them? ATEOTD You gotta go with TCAS over some (possibly idiot) traffic controller!
The rule is Aviate. Navigate. Communicate. In that order. So if you need to take evasive actions to avoid a crash, you do it. If you succeed and live, then you can tell ATC about it after the fact and let them yell at you.
Is it just me, or did anyone notice that there were too dang many trainees involved in this incident... both planes had trainee pilots being trained... There was even a trainee controller on duty.. And the controller supervisor invented a flight number.. If both pilots had heeded their TCAS alerts, this would not have happened. If the controllers knew that both planes had TCAS, they should simply have asked if the pilots had TCAS alerts.
I watched this documentary. Apparently this TCAS was relatively new, and there were no guidelines on what actually took priority- ATC or TCAS. The pilots went with ATC out of habit.
It didn't stop there. The controller and his supervisor were represented by a trainee lawyer and sentenced by a trainee judge. They then began serving their prison sentences under the supervision of trainee correctional officers and managed to escape on the next morning.
no Leander Williams - i noticed this too - the pilot trainees are not so bad as there is always a senior pilot at the dual control, so the senior pilot can take over in an emergency and I guess that is what happened on both planes, due to the constant alerts going off. I believe it was an error on the trainee Air Control Officer. but not one that should have had a prison sentence!! The reason these things happen is to learn by your mistakes and i would say that the lesson here was to never have a trainee on his/her own until they are totally competent to deal with everything. He did recognise that they were on a colision course and make amendments to the flight path, but that alert was confusing the pilots. just as well it was a clear day and they had visual!!
This was posted over 2 years ago but genuine question - atc and tcas aside, would it have been possible for planes within a certain vicinity of one another to communicate via radio? And just be like, so hey, u goin up or am I goin up?
That's actually a great question and with all the pilots and aviation buffs who follow this channel, I'm shocked that no one responded. The flight crews seem to use air traffic control like a mediator and don't seem to communicate with each other the way trucks, busses and commercial vehicles on the ground do. Even ships can contact other ships. It could be a legal thing or a channel thing or a sterile cockpit safety thing but it would seem beneficial if there were a way that flight crews could communicate with each other, even if just in an emergency. So glad this one had a happy ending, the loss of life would have been staggering.
It is possible, if the air traffic controller shared the frequency and the call sign of the other plane. But the conversation are usually kept between the pilot and atc.
@@loumac2955 If they don't know each others frequency then i guess they can't contact each other. But I think it's more because pilots are trained to trust ATC and it wasn't until they made visual contact that they begun to realize the seriousness of it. Probably also didn't have time to contact each other once visual contact was made
Yes, the planes could have communicated with each other easily in theory. However in practice, it is much easier for both planes to talk to a controller who then knows where they are are and can succinctly give them instructions. If the pilots were communicated directly, there would be a lot of chatter as they tried to work out where they were in relation to each other, and most times they wouldn't be anywhere near each other. Its very inefficient, and potentially more dangerous. In this situation, hence why we don't do it as a matter of course. In theory, the DC-10 crew could have perhaps realised that the 747 was descending and talked to them directly by radio, however: A) it is unlikely that they knew that flight 907 was the other aircraft they are conflicting with, for all they know, its a completely unrelated incident that happens to be on the same frequency. B), the idea is that TCAS does exactly what you're describing and then tells the pilots what the outcome of that discussion is. TCAS talks to the other transponder 10 times per second to work out which plane should be climbing and which should be descending, and it can make the decision far faster than a human with our terrible, slow words can. And C) despite what the animation shows, the planes only actually saw each other seconds before impact, in which case it was far too late to negotiate who was doing what over radio.
There was another case in which the ATC instructions were followed instead of TCAS. It was a Russian passenger plane and a DHL cargo airplane. There was a single ATC on duty at the time. The planes collided and no one survived the resulting crashes. ALWAYS TRUST TCAS.
How can you blame the ATC? If it was ignorance then sure, but if the system is creating uneducated ATCs then that's a problem of the system, and the system it to blame.
yes it's true the ATC is at fault but you have to take in the fact that they allowed only one (1) ATC when the minimum requirement is two (2). the ATC at the moment was preoccupied with some landing issues as he can't contact the control tower if i'm not mistaken due to the maintenance of their phone and the system that suppose to alert them when an aircraft is on a collision course wasn't working either due to maintenance. The russians were following their own standard which is the ATC command is prioritize over the TCAS which is a major mistake of course. nonetheless, the ATC guy was killed (stabbed to death in front of his family) later on by one of the victim's family member.
@Lazys The Dank Engineer You Underestimate Lazy People,When The Costa Concordia Sunk a Couple Sleeped the entire Sinking and Evacuation They survived But Holy hell
The thing was both plane were taking evasive action to decend, one from TCAS to descend and the other was taking action from ATC to descend. Who is your master? ATC or TCAS?
@@tensevo at firstboth were following tcas but the rookie controller stepped in and instructed the 747 to descent and at that time the ATC instructions were to followed over the tcas
I dont get why the trainee was charged, let alone convicted. As a trainee, doesn't the responsibity of what one does lie solely with the trainer? Poor kid. Got his dream carrier ruined. A green trainee *FOLLOWING* his trainer's instructions. Two different control systems giving different instructions. *A THOUSAND SOLES AT STAKE!* Plus... Orpans, parents, siblings, widows, widowers, nieces, nephews, extended families, friends, neighbours, pets... All hurting soles. The culprit? *The TRAINEE.!?!*
Anne, just according to this story video, write down a chronology of events and you will se that the ATC instruction was perfectly valid. If there were no TCAS system, changing the altitude of only one of the planes would suffice to avoid collision. Unfortunately, the TCAS reacted simultaneously and gave the same order to the other plane. The problem is that the ATC is not informed of the TCAS activation and therefore is not aware of its resolution advisory. Only when he saw on screen that the orders were not followed by one the planes that he instructed a direction change. Remember that the radar scope is not fast and it is difficult to follow fast events. The essence of TCAS is that it negociates with the other plane who does what, if it tells you to climb, it is because it told the other plane to descend. This is the reason why the resolution advisory takes precedence over the ATC. The crews are perfectly aware of that, it is part of their training. So the question is why the captain, his first officer and two trainees did not respect that ?
This reminds me very much of what is known as the "dance of death" in ship collisions, each is continually taking action to avoid collision but that action is driving them to it.
I had a high school friend who made it to ATC approach control at P.E.T. airport in Montreal. He had a near miss, and was moved away from any direct ATC control. He didn't mind that. The pressure was enormous. Not the pressure to just do the job, but to ALWAYS do it perfectly. After the near miss, he was a nervous wreck for a while.
@@thinkaboutit4715 - I do agree with you, in most cases. Not so in my friend's case, though. His was a ' loss of allowable separation distance ' (horizontal or vertical) on converging approach aircraft. Had they continued uncorrected, the aircraft would not have collided. But that isn't the point. Before the controller could adjust the speed, altitude, or heading of either aircraft, which he was just about to do, the computer had logged it as a ' near miss ' on his record.
Guilt is a huge part of Japanese culture. The greater good is seen as paramount to the individual. Its why Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world; people will kill themselves simply over dishonor. This culture is slowly changing however.
@@robmausser well, its nothing about dishonor anymore but rather fearing the backlash of society or how ppl around us will think of you. No one cares about dishonor or anything to the point that they'd suicide. That's pretty much left in the 20th century. What makes ppl do suicide is, of course the feeling of guilt or being bullied and what not but the feeling of guilt doesn't lead to dishonor anymore. (Thank goodness because I'd be an embarrassment for my family doing nothing but eating and watching plane accidents lol)
You did an incredible job of capturing exactly what happened in this situation. Fascinating. Especially since the outcome was that no one got killed. But, holy cow! Talk about a close call!
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SkySkreeAnimations and kay Garbella, neither of you addressed what GokuFievel32 was saying. Why have other pilots and ATC personnel whose mistakes resulted in actual deaths not been tried and convicted, and yet a trainee gets thrown in prison for a year (which means losing your job, family, friends, way of life, now have a criminal record, basically ends life as you know it even after release) when it was his supervisor who should have 1. been monitoring the trainee, and 2. said the correct flight number. Also, the pilots should have shouldered some blame as well
Laws such as these are national. Japan seems to be very strict in these matters. If this particular incident happened in the US, there would be NO criminal charges. In the US, they would have to have been intoxicated, or malicious in their actions, AND there would have been evidence of intoxication or maliciousness. You know there's this thing that's called the internet, which I hear, is a big research tool, for finding out such things.
The trainee got convicted! That’s so stupid,you can’t expect someone new to come in to the job and sit down and do things like a pro It takes time if anything The person training the trainee should be held more responsible for not supervising his student more What do you expect a new person to do in such a millisecond by millisecond decision
That's WHY the control towers have supervisors. ATC takes years of experience, & still things can go wrong. They were both idiots not to question the planes voice control. By NOT questioning THEY CAUSED A NEAR FATALITY OF HUNDREDS OF PASSENGERS & CREW.
The trainee probably had the controls while the Captain handled radio. Usually, the Captain won't take over the controls unless absolutely necessary. So the trainee probably had control over the plane for most of the almost incident and that's why he got jail time
Both the ATC supervisor and trainee went to jail. This is Japanese we're talking about. One single mistake at work could cause you dearly, both ATC might probably got fired before they went to jail
A close friend of mine told me that he was on a flight to Thailand where his flight almost collided with another 747. He told me that his plane caught the jet blast from the 747 and shook so violently that the whole plane full of passengers were under the impression that they were all going to die. Nobody slept the remainder of the flight. These experiences make you look at life in a whole different light. He passed away of heart failure a few years ago. RIP Tom Berry.
There are two remarkable things about this story. 1. Those planes are approaching at about 1,000 miles per hour (both going 500 or so, in opposite directions). The reaction time of the 747 pilot is amazing. 2. Even at the same elevation, the odds of these two planes coming directly at each other are astronomical. It's a big sky up there!
Amazing how two aircraft in the middle of nowhere, can come so close to each other on intersecting paths! The odds are astronomical, yet it happens. Great visuals and sound!!!
The air traffic is getting worse and worse, and the RISK (and not the actual happening) of collision between airplanes would become very high... this is what I read in a newspaper 10 years ago... so imagine now, in 2018.
Thousands of planes fly around the world every day, and they only cruise at 1000-foot increments. So the odds are definitely increased. It's not like they randomly fly from one airport to another.
How would you know it's "astronomical" (whatever that means). When people follow the same trails over and over (flight altitudes in 1000' increments, way points all the same for everybody, etc.), sooner or later they meet at the same time at one of the intersections.
each pilot covering for themselves over the PA system: "ladies and gentlemen, it is a custom of the local people here to greet all visitors with a near-collision as their way of saying 'Welcome!'"
If only pilot know the exact meaning of "RESOLUTION ADVISORY" by TCAS. Such Incident will never happen. TCAS not only detect the traffic on collision course, it also maps the geometry ahead, if the nose of the plane is below its mid line of its map, it yells to climb and reverse resolution is passed on to oncoming traffic and it follows to yell, "decend", traffic traffic, descend. Which ever planes detects the another plane first, it takes picture and superimpose the taken pic with many pics stored in its database and determines the probable position of oncoming airplane and according advices or in short, the low flying plane will fly down and high flying plane will fly higher. If map say oncoming planes nose is in the center. It takes a decesion, say it is decend, the reverse of decend is the resolution advisory passed on to next plane. Thus there is simply no reason exist to doubt the TCAS under any circumstances. TCAS literally sees the another plane. Thank fully, one of the pilot was able to see the another airplane, else the catastrophic event was inevitable. How I wished if russian pilots knew the technical/English meaning of TCAS advice, uberllington disaster had never happened, those children were grown now and had their own children. There would had been no distraught father, and Peter Nelson would be alive today. The saddest part is "lesson from uberllington disaster" is not fully learned by all pilots and especially the traffic controller. The controller should clearly say, "if ur TCAS is activated, do what it says, if not then only he should go on to advice the next step to be taken.
All nice and good with hindsight..It wasn't the Russian pilots fault. ATC had precedence over TCAS at that time, then after the accident they changed to giving TCAS precedence. Both options would work safely if both pilots follow. The issue is when one pilot follows TCAS and the other ATC.
I think that is the point of an accident. Everyone is coming with different understanding. Different cultures are trained to respect the human in ATC telling them to descend, meanwhile some pilots respects TCAS telling him to descend. The result, clearly both descend and both still on collision course.
@@TanzanianRoots I understand it wasn't russian pilots fault. But there is definitely a lack or lapse of international communication between FAA/NTSB and rest of the world. FAA mandated TCAS in European countries in year 2000. Sadly FAA was not loud enough to convey same to the rest of the world because they didn't had full confidence in TCAS until the system proved its worth in collision of Saudi and Kazakhstan airplane collided over India, After this crash the FAA implemented TCAS word wide. Here, we can not blame FAA for late implementation worldwide. Many countries took initiative and fitted TCAS even before FAA first mandate. In first mandate by FAA, all long range flight or an airplane carrying more than 30 passengers should hv TCAS onboard. As it was not mandatory for airplane not flying above European space. After this all. Flights that had fly over European spaces fitted TCAS including Russian passengers planes b/W to and from European spaces without in depth understanding of technology behind TCAS. TCAS was also neglected by many pilots thinking ATC is keeping full view of sky. when ATC failed and system ignored a catastropy was in line or waiting for saudi-khakistan mid air collision to move one step further. Some pilots fly just for flying and earning money while other pilots are real enthusiast and keep updating themselves with what's new is happening in aviation. As per book for a non enthusiastic pilot, ATC has precedence over TCAS, as per passionate pilot TCAS has to be a priority cause he understands the working of the system, he has indulged into every fibre of TCAS, if TCAS is malfunctioning, it won't say any thing and if it says something, it can never be wrong, either it will. It is not about russian or America's pilots, it's about "being a pilot" Just like sir Sully, if both engines fail, do not try to return back to airport, just land as soon as possible. Sully knew non of airplane with double engine failure had ever made it to the airport, all crashed into building and poles. And then we hv great example of gimli glider pilot, he crabbed his Boeing to reduce its speed, something he loved to do with his cessna. Then we hv a pilot of Boeing landed on Nasa levy with one eye only. While landing onto hostile area, he was shot in right eye after touch down, although shot, yet he managed to took off instantly and successfully returned to origin of flight. No person will get a licence to fly a passenger plane with one eye, except this levy pilot, he is born into pilots family...All of his ancestors did one with love.. was/is flying. Chk out full story.
I used to fly in helicopters in the Gulf of Mexico a lot for work and this would happen all the time with other helicopters in the area. The pilots would always ask whoever was riding up front to help them keep an eye out for other aircraft. They had tcas but until you experience it it’s rad to describe when the tcas system would start giving alarms and you can find the other aircraft with your eyes I gets scary pretty fast
I actually feel bad for the ATC trainee and his supervisor. They'll most likely never work again. But i guess that's what you get for choosing a career like that, where a single mistake could result in the loss of hundreds of lives. Glad the catastrophe was avoided in the end!
the problem was the supervisor didn't read properly the name plane , because otherwise, it wouldve been fine, and trainee's fault was that he didn't realise that his supervisor didn't read properly the name plane
yeah a was screaming at the video follow TCAS but i think this might have been the incident or one of the incidents that called for TCAS to take priority over ATC instruction. i do feel for the ATCs its just as hard as flying the A/C if not harder, thankfully everyone survived.
The only thing they did wrong was mis-reading the name of the aircraft, which is understandable in such a high pressure moment but also they have to be able to deal with that in a level-headed way in that job. However, I don't think that it warrants jail time. They aren't a danger to society so why lock them up? Doesn't make sense and is really awful to hear that happened to them.
About 5 years ago I was flying back to Arizona, in a 737, i always look out the window the entire time! We were at our maximum altitude, and watched another airliner traveling the opposite direction, fly right passed us, it blew my mind, from our speed and their speed combined you could barely see it, but I was already looking at the same direction that it was flying, I estimated it was 800 feet away, and it felt so close, I remember asking another passenger did you see that, nobody seen it but me, and I never heard about it on the news. It was a very close call, I think every body just hid what happened so no one would get fired! I think if we hit head on every one would have instantly died, it was almost like a cartoon, that’s how fast it flew by!
On a flight last year from Dallas to Tucson we passed very close to another plane while at cruising altitude....290 i think. I could see people through the other planes windows. When we got to Tucson and were leaving the plane I asked one of the pilots, "Are you going to have to write an incident report for this flight?" I don't think I've ever gotten a shittier look from anybody. Wasn't what I was expecting. Good ol AA. If they ain't losing your bags, they're not flying you anywhere.
Would you mind mentioning some details of the flight... I think we shouldn't just investigate the crashes but also encounters like the one you've mentioned.
I also experienced a near mid-air collision on easyJet... the other plane was below us, not so close that I could see the other people, but I could read the company logo (another easyJet) that was a bit scary
@@backslash68 perfectly safe, though. Usually 1000 feet of separation is perfectly normal between planes on a flight corridor for planes heading in different directions.
Except the closeness of the two JAL flights were more than over-exagerated since there were 135m between the two in real life. In the animation it looked like less than 2 m.
I do believe that the very best judge of how "close" those planes appeared would be the pilots and passengers of both (actual) planes involved in the near miss. Here's a little more perspective/food for thought: DC-10 Length 182 ft 1 in DC-10 Height 58 ft 1 in DC-10 Wing span 165 ft 5 in Boeing 747 Length 231 ft 10 in Boeing 747 Height 63 feet 5 in Boeing 747 Wing span 135 m is roughly 442 ft, so therefore the distance between the 2 planes would have been roughly seven 747 planes (height-wise) between the 2. Regardless, that's just too damned close for me. I would imagine that due to the speed of both planes and how quickly this incident must have occurred the passengers reference/point of view may very well have been that the planes appeared much closer than they actually turned out to be. Or, maybe think of it this way. When you were learning how to drive and sitting at a red light and a truck or bus made a wide turn coming in to your lane, did it not appear closer that it actually was? Did you back up your vehicle in nervousness (I know I did). Bottom line for me is I don't think this video is as far off the mark concerning the distance between the 2 planes as you do. But I could be wrong.
According to Japan Times, they were as close as 10 meters or about 33 feet. www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/02/02/national/jal-jets-10-meters-from-disaster/
@@tensevo yep... you'd think the smart thing to do for the other plane would've been to stay on the runway before departing so this incident wouldn't happen
That there were *TWO* different control systems *SIMULTANEOUSLY* instructing the pilots is hardly mentioned. The trainer *ISN'T* guilty either. The airline needed a scape-goat. Threw trainer & trainee under the bus. Got to be seen they took care of those "responsible." Right..?
It's pretty clear that JAL and the JP government threw people under a bus for publicity purposes. reminds me of those Italian geologists and volcanologists that were prosecuted (I don't think they want to jail however) for failing to predict an earthquake. Also notice that in Japan, 99% of the time after the police recocommend a suspect be arrested, the suspect is convicted in court. This is Japanese society's mindset: 'if the police said so, it must be true', even for many if not nearly all judges (note the appeal court overturned the trial court in this video). Simple probability tells you that the police cannot be infallible in any country, hence a significant percentage of people in Japanese jail are innocent.
Now, that's an interesting observation! Conflict was created by the presence of the two systems. There should have been a preference for decent or limb based on heading. That way, the instructions would look the same regardless of which system issues it, nd the pilots would also have an idea of whats going on.
This reminds me of the air collision that happened above germany, between the tupolev and 757. It was a complete tragedy, and the fact that something so similiar almost happened is just flabergastering.
I appreciate the level of detail you go to in these FSX animations. Adds a good layer of understanding of the official reports from a visual perspective. This one in particular i simply didn't compute how close they actually came until i saw this...
Jesus christ, you know this is a dramatisation? They WEREN'T that close. Those planes in the video must have been what, 20m from each other if you're pushing it? The video states that in reallife they came within 135m, which is close for a jetliner but not the ridiculous stunt flying going on in this video.
Maybe it should have been titled, "Training Day", due to the trainees on both planes and at ATC. Excellent flying by both pilots. It seems like an honest mistake by the trainee controller. If he wasn't up to the task, then his supervisor should be the one responsible. What might have helped is if the TCAS transponders in both planes were also linked to ATC, so contradictory commands weren't given. As for a 130 meter near miss -- the graphics sure made it look *MUCH CLOSER* than that! My only question is how they ended up on a collision course in the first place. Maybe *THAT* is where ATC really screwed up!
I love JAL, I was 3 years old when this happened. To see how close both planes got to each other was terrifying. And as for what we are dealing with right now, I hope we can all fly again soon.
Except, as noted in the incident report mentioned in the video, they were "estimated to have passed within 135 meters of each other". That's longer than the length of a football field. In the sequence simulation slow-motion 'replay' at 6:55, it looks like they pass well under 10 meters of each other - and with zero lateral miss distance. That is most unlikely. Why does this channel stretch the facts like that? Because it looks so 'cool' and enhances the drama while delivering the necessary sensational thrill to the viewing audience to draw their revenue-bearing clicks, that's why. They will never miss an opportunity to hype up and exaggerate the dramatic angle as long as its 'technically consistent with the facts' - in this case, "within 135 meters". It is a typical strategy of this channel. Unfortunately, the habit of hype which makes it so popular also makes it untrustworthy for anyone who seriously wishes to obtain an accurate insight on aviation incidents and mishaps in the real world.
IDK why pilots in air collision or near collisions never listen to their TCAS.. I'm nowhere near to being a pilot but even I know that TCAS overrules ATC orders since a long time ago..
That is exactly the reason why you see this things happen, because of human error. If they listened, there wouldn't be any near miss. The only way there could be one is this.
I will flatly say... I do not undestand.. how TCAS.. has become "so important" that it overules.. ATC. Thats gotta be the.. dumbest damn thing in the world.
@@SlidTossedPissed What you're missing is that TCAS isn't an independent system on a plane. The TCAS in each plane communicates with the other TCAS to make sure they aren't giving out the same climb/descend instruction to their respective crews, ensuring the planes would never collide. When one of the flight crews does the opposite of what TCAS tells them to do, that's when you have a potential mid-air collision.
Great that there was no fatalities. Somebody messed up with the system that such a near miss happened in the first place. I hope lessons have been learned.
ICAO should make it mandatory to adhere to TCAS. Maybe it's already so, but what happens psychologically in the minds of the pilots is quite another thing.
Congratulations on the great work, it should take a long time to finish editing and recording the scenes, but still you continue, I loved it(Sad history).
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"So how was your first day at work, John?"
"I'm going to prison."
Are you a criminal and yet using phone
tythorn13 could have used their name
@tythorn 13 I'm literally crying you idiot hahahahahhh
@Game Plays 1230 first off it's captain not caption. Second, I'm sure the pilot had a very strong poop smell all the way to his destination. But I do agree that the pilots were also at fault for not responding to the atc orders.
😂 😂
I'm glad that all of them survived, that's all.
I’m still surprised that the dive was so hard that a beverage cart flew up and through a ceiling panel and into the attic
all check this out, we got ourselves a death and destruction lover here, ha,ha, ,LOL, though im not one for a crash but they do happen, and they seem to happen a lot, U-tube is full of airliner crashes, an a lot of people do die in,em to the point of not being able to recognize anyone because there disintegrate on impact, only photo id,s are found, or clothing a person was wearing or jewelry on a finger might be found, bodies never stay in one piece, decapitation is very common in airliner crashes, big time, hands, feet, parts of organs, all manner of human remains are found throughout a airliners crash, and because of fire being involved they never find anything of a body left afterwards, these crash like unbelievably bad, and leave hardly anything for identifying people behind, its a total loss , most people of airliner crash victims don't even have anything to hold a funeral with ,maybe photo,s ,an article of something personal to the person lost they might place in a coffin, one thing I have never seen on here in or on a real time video, is seeing a video of 2 airliners crash into each other outside of animation , so far that im aware of, I haven't seen any video,s of 2 airliners colliding live caught on video, if one exist,s id like to see it, I have sen some still shots of planes before they hit the ground ,theres plenty of those, an even some video,s of planes crashing live on video, but not colliding , if ya know of one , please ,could you give me the title of it, thank you, what other types of disasters do you like or know of that you love to watch ? or is it you love anything as long as its a total disaster and that's all that matters ? im curious , interesting,
It surprises me no one died of a heart atack. Imagine sitting at the window and seeing a plane come closer and closer😨
@@beny988 yea cool idea dude lets put u on a 737 max
exactly kai, GOD interfered to save them
Plane: *"CLIMB, CLIMB NOW"*
Pilots: "So anyways I started descending"
LMAO
Seemed like the right thing to do...
Only because he decided to follow ATCs instructions.
Makes me wonder why the pilot didn't notify atc that the tcas asks them to climb?? It's no brainer in my opinion
Imagine youron the cockpit and seeing a huge shadow at 30,000 feet here is the thing 6:54 pause it and see
*Those people should be thankful their planes missed 135m from being in the episode of Air Crash Investigations.*
We wont talk about how they might complain that *The flight was horriblre*
This could have been the worst air disaster in the history, more than 670 people could have lost their lives
Air crash investigation S 10 maybe if the dont miss that 135m
If crash happened it would outdone both flight 123 and Tenerife number of deaths.
@@shubhumchatterjee Exactly what I was thinking. How do you turn on the tv to see nearly 700 people obliterated at 35,000 feet?!!
ATC should get a TCAS warning as well telling them to STFU. “Stop Talking, Stop Talking Now” “Stop Talking, Stop Talking Now”
Ya and also if the tcas and the controller are saying the opposite thing then the pilots should inform the controller that the tcas said something different
*Beep Beep* Terrain, Terrain, Shut Up, Shut Up *Beep Beep*
Whoop whoop mouth mouth,shut up!
Joking aside, that is a really good idea, but I think ATC should already get TCAS data. They are obligated to instruct plane to switch on TCAS if it is turned off.
@@tensevo Of all things to have an off switch, why a collision avoidance system?
I'm surprised it wasn't a trainee prosecutor and trainee judge that sent them to prison.
Ikr.... surprised TFC didn't have a trainee youtuber present us this video
Trainee jugde ... sorry, but this is funny x'D
Oh Butler that's rich !!
Don’t forget the trainee lawyers
The sentence is correct the consequences of negligence must be clear.
Imagine having the balls to descend when TCAS is saying CLIMB NOW.
Imagine lacking the brains to descend when TCAS instructs you to climb
@pepe And when has TCAS ever failed? If Pilots had followed TCAS, which err less than humans, and I have never heard of TCAS failing, then this incident and the German mid-air crash the following year would have been avoided. You call me an idiot but you agree with these pilots rebellious and near disasterous actions. So if I were flying the 747, I would have obeyed TCAS and lived, you potentially would have killed hundreds of people. Who's the idiot now?
@pepe It matters not who sounds more urgent, what matters is what will prevent an accident. A well programmed TCAS or a controller who does not have the information on the TCAS received by both planes? You still haven't shown me an incident where obeying TCAS would have caused a collision, the only collisions or near collisions involving TCAS is when it was disobeyed and the controller's command was followed. No wonder aviation authorities around the world now state that in a conflict, TCAS takes precedence over the controller.
@@thomasnorton2679 yep it's good that they sorted out the TCAS vs ATC thing (unfortunately not without blood) but in this particular case, I wouldn't really say it was a lacking-brains thing, more like there was no standard protocol for such occasion.
Also why the f*ck would you *descend* when the TCAS is literally shouting at you to CLIMB NOW. These humans have no brains. :(
And people want flying cars! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Uriel Valdez Oh hell no!! I'm outta here if that happens. People can't even drive now!!!
Then it will tell you DECEND RIGHT NOW
@@Chasiraw For this comment, I'd invent the multiple-thumbs-up-button
World news will be flooded by car collision accident in the air.
SO TRUE
Imaging looking out the window and seeing another plan rapidly approaching. I would shit myself
+pee
You wouldn't have time.
Tylér Lewis um you speld plane rong
@@lilivicdomingo1191 um u spelled wrong wrong
@@shovey9329 i said u bc its shorter than you
"Everyone survives."
"None of their undergarments did."
HAHAHAHA...that's too good.
So true.
Mother: always make sure you wear clean underwear when you leave the house.
Passengers of JAL907 and JAL958: they were clean when we left the house.
Ya so that u have mid year drunk accidents nd cars crashing through people's roof
I showed this to my family and friends, lol JEEEEEEESUSS CCHHHRRIIISSTTTTTTT, :)
Lol mainly the pilots were so calm if I was there is the cockpit I would have pissed my Pants
“In memory of the 677 pieces of underwear crapped beyond salvage...”
LOL
Lmao wtf
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New on Ebay: Used underwear, worn once
@@Sousaboi865 lmao
“Clear of conflict”
This sound should play when ever I finish an exam.
Me during Exam: answer! Answer now!
@@kimmysalvadore3412 more accurate thing is caution dont fail caution dont fail parent ahead dont fail parent parent dont fail
@hehe Hahah I can hear that in my head every time I forget to do a chore for my girlfriend but when she realizes I haven't done it she doesn't say anything.
The DC-10 flew over the top of the 747 but was in a hard descent. They got extremely lucky in spite of the pilots doing everything they could to make the collision happen.
lol i laughed really hard.
Lol
That was funny dude.
Lmfao
There is a percentage of a chance that this may be true.
Boy: look it's a plane
Mum: cool
Mum looks out of the window
AHHHHHHH
LMFAO
Richard Morris only people with infamous anime profile pictures would laugh at this comment
@@qxpn9220 I got a good laugh out of your comment, at least.
Dc 10: 747 I know your previous ones didn't want the DC 10s
747: yes, what happened?
Dc 10: IT'S TIME TO LEARN
747: You look like you're lacking fuel
Ive trained my little boy.. .. since the age of 1.. to recognize shapes.. colors.. and "patterns" of cars.
He knows what 90% of the vehicles on the road are.. cause he pays attention. Convertibles or not, stick or auto, gas or diesel...
My child wouldnt say that. Hed say DA-DA, look at that DC10. Id look over..
Captain - trainee
First officer - trainee
Even Controller is trainee..
😁
One of the passenger is captain
Even the trainer is a trainee trainer
The passengers also a trainee Passengers
@Amed Tajan Even the Plane is Trainee Plane.
**sad music plays**
“Everyone survived”
@Igor , Trauma, I wouldn’t close my eyes throughout this flight again. Even in future would be looking out the window during a flight.PTSD is real.
Reminds me of 2009 Dream Theater
*BY THE GRACE OF GOD ABOVE, EVERYONE SURVIVED! [aggressive growl]*
Well, it is still better than *sad music plays*
/ "Everyone died" or even *happy music plays* / "everyone died".
GOD SAVED THEM, THEY MUST HAVE PRAYED DEEPLY AND GOD ANSWERED THE PRAYERS,
@@rhodahcheptoo3571 ok boomer
Frankly I find it very stupid that the *trainee* was being held responsible when a trainee is someone that is NEW to the job and thus is being TRAINED on how to DO their job. That's why when a trainee messes it up it is almost always the responsibility of the supervisor or field training officer.
Also it doesn't surprise me that the pilots prioritized ATC instructions, back then, TCAS was really only mandated to be listened to in the US and a few other countries - Japan was NOT originally one of them.
That trainee nearly caused 677 deaths. If they had actually crashed, someone would have to answer for all that carnage and the man who repeatedly put those planes on a collision course would be the obvious suspect.
Japan doesn't screw around, i'm not surprised after being found not guilty prosecutors found a way to turn it around, you're almost always guilty in Japan.
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Edax the controller wasn’t the one putting them on a collision course. He told the 747 to descend but the tcas warnings told it to climb. He isn’t aware of what the tcas is saying. He also tried to contact the md to alter course but they didn’t respond. The controllers could have separated them sooner in anticipation, however I think it’s very harsh to blame solely the controllers when it seemed to be a confluence of bad luck
@@charliethomas9173 Wrong, the 747 was 2,000 feet higher than the DC-10, but he told them to descend. Had the told them to climb and the DC-10 to descend then they wouldn't have gotten so close. The 747 pilots chose to obey the controller and descend, and not the TCAS which was telling them to climb.
*planes passing each other*
Plane one: hey Larry
Plane two: hey Joe
Plane one: bye Larry
Plane two: cya joe
Lolol nice one xd, although the Boeing 747 descended because some people were injured
LOL
Holy shit that might have been the most boring comment I’ve ever read.
xDDD
NeInE 670. I don,t get it....I must be missing something or I,m stupid. Hey Larry, Hey Joe. Bye Larry, Cya Joe?? wtf.
It's a pity that the lessons learned from this accident didn't apply to the next year's Überlingen mid-air collision.
I know right? That's exactly what I just said, before I saw your comment. So insane especially from the supervisors and managers of the control towers. If these guys have such a big role, why didn't they work in teams with a superior always beside them, like it is with a captain and first officer?
And they even killed a traffic controller over it.
Seriously, though, should there be a limit to the number of trainees on board each aircraft? (Don't get me started on the emotionally-neutered ATCs😖!!!)
A request for clarification of the rules surrounding TCAS - regarding who/what has primacy in such situations - was made of ICAO by the Japanese Aviation authorities after this near miss. Whilst the device itself was mandated to be in cockpits, no hard and fast rule about who/what pilots should give priority was ever given - a serious flaw in the system. However, that request was sitting on the end of someone's desk still waiting for attention when Überlingen occurred - a response would not be forthcoming until quite some time after that disaster occurred.
If it had been treated with the criticality it deserved, a plane carrying 47 children might not have ended up cut in two and scattered over the German countryside, 72 people would still be alive, and the family of an air traffic controller wouldn't have had to witness their husband and father being brutally murdered on their doorstep.
@@anonnimoose7987 and then gave the murderer a reward???
I love how big the sky is, yet two airliners almost managed to crash into each other
When you look at those air traffic maps that show all the flights around the world in a day it's mind boggling just how many planes are up there!
that's like saying, "i love how much land there is out there, yet two cars almost managed to crash into each other"
how much sky there is isn't the issue. think of it like this: there are are roads that planes tend to follow in the sky, because they've only got so many airports to originate from or land at.
Worlds Flat Bro..the space is limited af
You love that about 600 people almost died? Wow.
@@bruzote he didn't mean that what so ever. Learn English
Holy shiiiit. I would have had a heart attack. That was terrifying! Also...was it Trainee Tuesday? Why was EVERYONE involved one? Pick different days to do it guys!
I think I would have puked my heart out.
Which day is that then?
anonymoose_au, I've watched a lot of these as I'm sure you have as well. But this was the first time one made me feel like I was gonna throw-up!
@@thomasschmitt9537 Thursday Trainees.
Lesson learned: always listen to the TCAS
Unless its a 737 Max
@@Willny95 he said TCAS, not MCAS
lesson learned use train
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@@Willny95 😀
6:35-6:41 "Hey watch yo jet! Watch yo jet BRO! WATCH YO JE..."
"Clear of conflict"
TCAS is right, always. Never listen to a controller.
So if they tell us we're cleared for landing we should believe we aren't and we shouldn't land?
@@paperback2437 I'm not sure how Anthony's point isn't obvious to you.
You are OBVIOUSLY NOT a controller. I am and have seen many a TCAS take a situation I had worked out and turned it into a lack of standard separation. TCAS does not take into consideration anything other than the two aircraft it sees as a factor. Had the DC10 followed the controllers instructions and NOT the TCAS everything would have been fine. At least U.S. controllers are protected from this type of prosecution. This was nothing more than a serious mistake.
Trainee atc:oof
Yeah the 2002 collision happened due to the pilot listening to the controller ...
Which happened to the collision
It seems like they did everything they could to hit each other.
RealDeel73 but they didn’t
@@uriah9645 yeah??
@@uriah9645 The FBI should hire you in their investigations.
Lol
RealDeel73 No. This was ATC based. Back at this time many airlines didn't instruct their pilots that TCAS was always to be followed unless you could ABSOLUTELY VISUALLY see it was placing you in danger. There were several mid-air collisions because TCAS was ignored in favor of bad Air Traffic Controller commands. A horrible mid-air collision over Europe with a Russian jet carrying hundreds of students and DHL Cargo plane that sliced it in half killed everyone on both planes.
6:33 *Best unintentional stunt in aviation history*
It should be names as the unplanned stunt
They were almost 500ft apart. The visual was quite exaggerated on this video to be fair.
D MAC not they were about 80 - 100.
@@sysonic917 Copied and Pasted:
Yasuko Momii (籾井 康子 Momii Yasuko),[7] ordered "JAL 957" to climb, intending to tell JAL 907 to climb. There was no "JAL 957" in the sky.[2]
The aircraft avoided collision using evasive maneuvers once they were in visual proximity, and passed within about 135 metres (443 ft) of each other.
Why do people like you come onto RUclips and just comment nonsense about subjects you obviously know nothing about?.
D MAC oh shittt, i thought you were saying 500 metres.. but its feet nvm soz.
I believe after the Uberlingen disaster, it was established that if there is a conflict between TCAS and ATC then a pilot must go ahead with TCAS. One pilot following TCAS and the other following ATC caused the Uberlingen mid air collision in 2002. I wish after the above depicted incident, the norm has been made so and then the crash over Uberlingen could have been averted.
AFAIK the rule was in place anyway, but some countries still followed the ATC. After Überlingen, ALL pilots now have to follow TCAS at all times.
@@samhobbs6517 Is it? It was mentioned in that episode of air crash investigation that two countries have two different rules in place. Anyway, very unfortunate.
@@saurajitsinha2852 yep,the rule was already in place before 2002.the problem was,one of the countries didnt incorporate it into their pilot training program
@@midsquash1613 , I'll bet they do now.
Those kids in the Russian plane could have been in their 30’s now. As far as I know they were all promising kids who supposed to fly to Spain for a well deserve break. Just split seconds wrong decision and their gone. The fragility of life
If this accident happened, could have easily been the worst in history. Over 600 lives would have been lost. Hopefully something like this doesn't happen again.
not the worst, over 3000 people died in 9/11
This occurred before 9/11, so for the time it could have been the worst crash in history, surpassing Tenerife.
Alex Vanikiotis 9/11 wasn't an accident. It would of been the worst aviation accident in history.
@lexoll 9/11 was intentional so while it was atrocious it was not an accident
Alex Vanikiotis - 9/11 was pre-meditated murder. Alan Teh said it was an accident, and his comment is valid.
I love how I was interrupted by an ad during the slow-mo replay
exactly the same
Hey! So was I... Must be onto us
It looked like the plane that was passing from the bottom was flying sideways
You should get adblock+ I never see ads.
Bro same
Shit there would have been close to 600 dead people. Thanks God it was avoided. That was a miracle.
It wasn't quite as close as the video makes out. There was almost 500ft of separation. This clip shows about 25ft lol
I don't think that was the Lord behind the yoke of 907. I think the people who fly planes are called 'pilots', but typo's are easy to make.
Tessa Bakker just shut tf up lol
D MAC it was actually around 80 but really close
@@sysonic917 People like you just come on RUclips and just make stuff up. It was over 400ft ffs
You should make a "everyone survived" playlist. Sometimes it's too sad watching when a lot of people died, and watching the ones with no victims is heartwarming ❤✈
Those ATC's controller now work at Mc Donalds
McDonald's.... Douglas :D
@@derekg-birddog-3032 give this man a medal! 🏅 👏👏👏
They work in the prison cafeteria lol
It’s Japan, so not likely. They’re probably dead. Japanese ritual suicide, to regain their honor. (Seppuku)
@@Gamebreaker08 where did you get that info to affirm such thing ?
CLIMB NOW CLIMB NOW CLIMB NOW CLIMB NOW
"No... that's just what they'll be expecting." 🤨
Airplane Reference 😂
This should have more likes.
I read this in Zoidberg’s voice
“Descend. Descend now.”
Doesn’t descend
“Climb. Climb now.”
Maintains altitude.
ATC goes to jail, pilots get off. Some justice.
Pilots were folowing orders, so its fair that they didnt get charged.
@@Thors.hammer69420 Nope, TCAS always supersede ATC in every situation. Pilots panicked and failed to follow their training.
@@daboxownsall ok. Thanks for telling me.👍🏻👍🏻
@@daboxownsall this happened back in the early 2000s and there was no such rule (TCAS overrides ATC). This rule was deployed after an actual collision under the same circumstances (Baskirian 2937 and DHL 611 collision, 71 fatalities and ATC killed later)
TCAS: "INCREASE CLIMB!"
Pilot: So... Descend more?
I was on a flight recently and looking out of the window could see another aircraft going in the other direction, probably 2000 feet below us. Because of relative speed (each flying at over 900km/h, relative velocity >1800km/h) it was the fastest thing I have ever seen. There would be no time to react.
Exactly the same experience some months back. It was unreal.
Just happened to be looking out the window and saw the same thing. I looked around in amazement hoping someone else saw it too
Crossing each other with the valid 1,000 ft vertical separation looks pretty heavy.
Just so you know, it wasn’t 1800km. If both flying toward each other at 900km then the relative velocity is 900km. Two objects flying at same speed means hitting each other is the same as hitting a brick wall at 900km
@@samsmiths9536 Velocity = Distance Covered / Time taken. If the distance is the same and the time is halved, the velocity is doubled. So if your brick wall is 900km away and it took you an hour to get there you were travelling at 900 km/h. But if the wall is also travelling towards you at 900km/h then in 30 minutes you will each have traveled 450 km where you would meet. The total distance travelled is still 900km but it was covered in half the time. Refereing to the formula, the relative velocity is 900km / half an hour = 1800km / hour.
Holy moly how many trainees were there on board and at the tower on that day? The most scary aviation stunt I've witnessed.
Shocking! As near misses go, that was exceptionally close. It must be one of the closest near misses in civilian airliner history. 677 people would have perished if they had collided, far exceeding the current record of 583 people killed in the 1977 Tenerife collision.
As George Carlin said, a near miss is actually a collision ;-) ruclips.net/video/zDKdvTecYAM/видео.html
@@countdigi😁 He's not wrong!
Plane crash deaths WR Speedrun any%
All this could be the end of JAL. It might even have exceeded the death toll of the infamous Flight 123 crash.
Fortunately it was not like that, the tragedy was prevented and everyone lived to tell about it.
It was even closer than that one EasyJet fight that lost contact from ATC
It’s amazingly with that much lead time and making an extreme decent maneuver that the plane still narrowly avoided a collision. That means the plane from Korea was still just descending normally for a normal landing and the 747 could’ve just kept at the same altitude and been fine. This would’ve been a horrible crash with massive loss of life if a collision occurred, glad it didn’t!
If back then there it wasn't regulated that TCAS takes precedence over ATC, shouldn't the pilot have told the ATC that he was getting conflicting information from TCAS?
Agreed, that is what they should do. Communicate
@@phoenixlal7428 Communication is key, yet always seems to be forgotten when needed the most
A good point. My only guess is that it was overlooked due to the trainees or wasn't included in company guidelines and regulations (and at this time ICAO hadn't regulated it), and usually if it's not covered by company guidelines or training and isn't covered by ICAO/NTSB/FAA (the last two of which wouldn't apply to Japanese airline pilots) it doesn't get taught or covered that much. There's a reason why airline companies are practically (or literally) begging former military pilots to join them and that's because they are so well trained and experienced. And most former military pilots don't mind because it allows them to continue flying. I would actually love to see the statistics on how many of them go airline, but I think it's a huge percentage.
That all takes time and I'm guessing they might have tried to do just that but planes take time to react to control inputs, they're not like cars which when you turn the steering wheel they turn, planes take ages to ascend/ descend. Having said that you would still think that if you could see the other flight as these pilots should've been able to you would've been able to avoid them? ATEOTD You gotta go with TCAS over some (possibly idiot) traffic controller!
The rule is Aviate. Navigate. Communicate. In that order. So if you need to take evasive actions to avoid a crash, you do it. If you succeed and live, then you can tell ATC about it after the fact and let them yell at you.
Is it just me, or did anyone notice that there were too dang many trainees involved in this incident... both planes had trainee pilots being trained... There was even a trainee controller on duty.. And the controller supervisor invented a flight number.. If both pilots had heeded their TCAS alerts, this would not have happened. If the controllers knew that both planes had TCAS, they should simply have asked if the pilots had TCAS alerts.
I watched this documentary. Apparently this TCAS was relatively new, and there were no guidelines on what actually took priority- ATC or TCAS. The pilots went with ATC out of habit.
It didn't stop there. The controller and his supervisor were represented by a trainee lawyer and sentenced by a trainee judge. They then began serving their prison sentences under the supervision of trainee correctional officers and managed to escape on the next morning.
however, the jailbreak was a trainee too, and they are easily caught.
no Leander Williams - i noticed this too - the pilot trainees are not so bad as there is always a senior pilot at the dual control, so the senior pilot can take over in an emergency and I guess that is what happened on both planes, due to the constant alerts going off. I believe it was an error on the trainee Air Control Officer. but not one that should have had a prison sentence!! The reason these things happen is to learn by your mistakes and i would say that the lesson here was to never have a trainee on his/her own until they are totally competent to deal with everything. He did recognise that they were on a colision course and make amendments to the flight path, but that alert was confusing the pilots. just as well it was a clear day and they had visual!!
@@pokerandphilosophy8328 😂😂😂
It was so close ............ Thanks god nothing happened wrong
135 meters - in this video it looks like 4 meters !
@Despiser Despised wake turbulences
This was posted over 2 years ago but genuine question - atc and tcas aside, would it have been possible for planes within a certain vicinity of one another to communicate via radio? And just be like, so hey, u goin up or am I goin up?
That's actually a great question and with all the pilots and aviation buffs who follow this channel, I'm shocked that no one responded. The flight crews seem to use air traffic control like a mediator and don't seem to communicate with each other the way trucks, busses and commercial vehicles on the ground do. Even ships can contact other ships. It could be a legal thing or a channel thing or a sterile cockpit safety thing but it would seem beneficial if there were a way that flight crews could communicate with each other, even if just in an emergency. So glad this one had a happy ending, the loss of life would have been staggering.
It is possible, if the air traffic controller shared the frequency and the call sign of the other plane. But the conversation are usually kept between the pilot and atc.
@@loumac2955 If they don't know each others frequency then i guess they can't contact each other. But I think it's more because pilots are trained to trust ATC and it wasn't until they made visual contact that they begun to realize the seriousness of it. Probably also didn't have time to contact each other once visual contact was made
@@loumac2955 They're required to monitor the Guard Frequency (121.5 Mhz) so theoretically they could have directly communicated.
Yes, the planes could have communicated with each other easily in theory. However in practice, it is much easier for both planes to talk to a controller who then knows where they are are and can succinctly give them instructions. If the pilots were communicated directly, there would be a lot of chatter as they tried to work out where they were in relation to each other, and most times they wouldn't be anywhere near each other. Its very inefficient, and potentially more dangerous. In this situation, hence why we don't do it as a matter of course. In theory, the DC-10 crew could have perhaps realised that the 747 was descending and talked to them directly by radio, however: A) it is unlikely that they knew that flight 907 was the other aircraft they are conflicting with, for all they know, its a completely unrelated incident that happens to be on the same frequency. B), the idea is that TCAS does exactly what you're describing and then tells the pilots what the outcome of that discussion is. TCAS talks to the other transponder 10 times per second to work out which plane should be climbing and which should be descending, and it can make the decision far faster than a human with our terrible, slow words can. And C) despite what the animation shows, the planes only actually saw each other seconds before impact, in which case it was far too late to negotiate who was doing what over radio.
There was another case in which the ATC instructions were followed instead of TCAS. It was a Russian passenger plane and a DHL cargo airplane. There was a single ATC on duty at the time. The planes collided and no one survived the resulting crashes. ALWAYS TRUST TCAS.
Correct, ALWAYS follow TCAS!
That ATC should have gotten prison time One ATC should not be working alone & this proves it. That ATC was responsible for all those deaths
Watch the video that I posted, it shows the judgement of the Board of Inquiry into the case . . .
How can you blame the ATC? If it was ignorance then sure, but if the system is creating uneducated ATCs then that's a problem of the system, and the system it to blame.
yes it's true the ATC is at fault but you have to take in the fact that they allowed only one (1) ATC when the minimum requirement is two (2). the ATC at the moment was preoccupied with some landing issues as he can't contact the control tower if i'm not mistaken due to the maintenance of their phone and the system that suppose to alert them when an aircraft is on a collision course wasn't working either due to maintenance. The russians were following their own standard which is the ATC command is prioritize over the TCAS which is a major mistake of course. nonetheless, the ATC guy was killed (stabbed to death in front of his family) later on by one of the victim's family member.
I love how the waring collision system sounds
divana prabawa I love your engrish
Same lol
@@originalpadoru yeah i love yours too
@@originalpadoru 와 한국인
Imagine someone on the aircraft sleeping when the planes near missed each other and seeing it later in the news and goes when did this happen xD
I bet the shockwaves from the aircraft passing so close to each other would have woken everyone up.
@@dx1450 Yeah, and also the last minute adjustments probably would've made everyone wide awake.
The plane descended pretty quick; guess that alone would've woken up everybody.
@Lazys The Dank Engineer You Underestimate Lazy People,When The Costa Concordia Sunk a Couple Sleeped the entire Sinking and Evacuation They survived But Holy hell
If you're not going to follow TCAS instructions, there is no point in having it.
If they’d collided, 600+ ppl could’ve died. Clap to evasive maneuvering
Yeah, it would have broken the Tenerife record of 583.
The thing was both plane were taking evasive action to decend, one from TCAS to descend and the other was taking action from ATC to descend. Who is your master? ATC or TCAS?
all the supervisors should've been fired on the spot. in the planes and on the ground.
@@tensevo at firstboth were following tcas but the rookie controller stepped in and instructed the 747 to descent and at that time the ATC instructions were to followed over the tcas
@@anonymous9843 the ATcontroller is supposed give instructions, but the pilot is supposed to treat TCAS with priority in event of conflict.
I dont get why the trainee was charged, let alone convicted.
As a trainee, doesn't the responsibity of what one does lie solely with the trainer?
Poor kid. Got his dream carrier ruined.
A green trainee *FOLLOWING* his trainer's instructions. Two different control systems giving different instructions. *A THOUSAND SOLES AT STAKE!*
Plus...
Orpans, parents, siblings, widows, widowers, nieces, nephews, extended families, friends, neighbours, pets... All hurting soles. The culprit? *The TRAINEE.!?!*
Black&White
It should have been the Captain. He is 100% in charge of the Airliner.
What it boils down to is neither airline wants the blame. Will pay big bucks to not get the blame. Atc doesn't have the money to not get blamed.
Black&White What was the point of the last part of your comment it makes no sense.
Anne,
just according to this story video, write down a chronology of events and you will se that the ATC instruction was perfectly valid. If there were no TCAS system, changing the altitude of only one of the planes would suffice to avoid collision.
Unfortunately, the TCAS reacted simultaneously and gave the same order to the other plane. The problem is that the ATC is not informed of the TCAS activation and therefore is not aware of its resolution advisory. Only when he saw on screen that the orders were not followed by one the planes that he instructed a direction change. Remember that the radar scope is not fast and it is difficult to follow fast events.
The essence of TCAS is that it negociates with the other plane who does what, if it tells you to climb, it is because it told the other plane to descend. This is the reason why the resolution advisory takes precedence over the ATC. The crews are perfectly aware of that, it is part of their training. So the question is why the captain, his first officer and two trainees did not respect that ?
Didn't the ATC tell a certain plane that was not even in the sky to descend???I think that's pretty negligent.
This reminds me very much of what is known as the "dance of death" in ship collisions, each is continually taking action to avoid collision but that action is driving them to it.
I had a high school friend who made it to ATC approach control at P.E.T. airport in Montreal.
He had a near miss, and was moved away from any direct ATC control.
He didn't mind that. The pressure was enormous.
Not the pressure to just do the job, but to ALWAYS do it perfectly.
After the near miss, he was a nervous wreck for a while.
Mike12522.
Wow so did he go back to his job or it’s a one time job? Either you do it perfectly or you screw it (almost) and go home.
A near miss? I call it a near HIT!
@@thinkaboutit4715 - I do agree with you, in most cases. Not so in my friend's case, though. His was a ' loss of allowable separation distance ' (horizontal or vertical) on converging approach aircraft.
Had they continued uncorrected, the aircraft would not have collided. But that isn't the point. Before the controller could adjust the speed, altitude, or heading of either aircraft, which he was just about to do, the computer had logged it as a ' near miss ' on his record.
I see a George Carlin line here :P
Imagine being a passenger on one of those planes. *Anxiety has entered the chat*
Probably most of them never knew about the other plane till the Jal’s latter arrived in mail box.
@@edupires The passengers looking out the window likely would have seen it.
japan justice system is crazy... its like prosecutors are un-relenting to get a guilty verdict in japan.
They are merciless
Guilt is a huge part of Japanese culture. The greater good is seen as paramount to the individual. Its why Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world; people will kill themselves simply over dishonor. This culture is slowly changing however.
We in the US should be more like the Japanese. Think Boeing...
rob mausser Japan absolutely does not have the highest suicide rate in the world. Its next door neighbour has almost double that number.
@@robmausser well, its nothing about dishonor anymore but rather fearing the backlash of society or how ppl around us will think of you. No one cares about dishonor or anything to the point that they'd suicide. That's pretty much left in the 20th century. What makes ppl do suicide is, of course the feeling of guilt or being bullied and what not but the feeling of guilt doesn't lead to dishonor anymore. (Thank goodness because I'd be an embarrassment for my family doing nothing but eating and watching plane accidents lol)
You did an incredible job of capturing exactly what happened in this situation. Fascinating. Especially since the outcome was that no one got killed. But, holy cow! Talk about a close call!
That is one very realistic flight simulator..... I almost thought that was real footage for a second
And who would be filming outside, thousands of feet up in the air?🙄‼️
J-C Bertrand quarantine sarcasm much?
@@J-CBertrand-tp6bg a drone?
The effort you put in these videos is outstanding!
I love these videos. The sound and the graphics are incredible. It’s almost like you were there. I can understand what and how it happened just by watching these videos. Incredible!!!
A truly awesome depiction of a miraculous escape.
Your channel is indeed an extraordinary creation-a must see for all aviation lovers. The time, effort and skill that goes into each of your videos is evident and praiseworthy.
youre the only channel that upload quality content and tell me what really happened and demonstrate it well compared to the others. so im not skipping ads. u deserve it.
Plane:STALL STALL
Pilots:imma put the nose up
TCAS:ACSEND ASCEND
Pilots:Imma descend
Plane: Stall, stall
First officer Bonin: But I had the stick up the whole time!
"Sink rate! Sink rate!"
Pilot: "Imma going to put the engines to idle and deploy the speed brakes..."
And yet there are some idiots out there who blame the controllers for PILOT error.
Wait so 2 people went to jail for an accident that didn't happen yet in far bigger plane crashes have happened and NO ONE went to jail?
GokuFievel32 Becuase either they died or they had other problems
they went to jail for almost causing a plane crash, because of negligent/ carelessness ,,
SkySkreeAnimations and kay Garbella, neither of you addressed what GokuFievel32 was saying. Why have other pilots and ATC personnel whose mistakes resulted in actual deaths not been tried and convicted, and yet a trainee gets thrown in prison for a year (which means losing your job, family, friends, way of life, now have a criminal record, basically ends life as you know it even after release) when it was his supervisor who should have 1. been monitoring the trainee, and 2. said the correct flight number. Also, the pilots should have shouldered some blame as well
Blame the countries were it happen.
Laws such as these are national. Japan seems to be very strict in these matters. If this particular incident happened in the US, there would be NO criminal charges. In the US, they would have to have been intoxicated, or malicious in their actions, AND there would have been evidence of intoxication or maliciousness.
You know there's this thing that's called the internet, which I hear, is a big research tool, for finding out such things.
dc-10's cockpit: inCreAse dEsceNd inCreAse dEsceNd
me: is that a song?
Airplane: Traffic
Pilots operating out of New York: Great, I'm gonna be late for my fli-
TCAS: Climb... CLIMB NOW!!
Pilot: Oh Shi-
Beautiful editing, Great emotional song that fits it and full description off what happened next!! Great video
Up next: Trainee captain, trainee first officer, trainee co-pilot, trainee ATC, and trainee flight attendants.
That near miss is one for the history books. Incredible.
The trainee got convicted!
That’s so stupid,you can’t expect someone new to come in to the job and sit down and do things like a pro
It takes time if anything
The person training the trainee should be held more responsible for not supervising his student more
What do you expect a new person to do in such a millisecond by millisecond decision
That's WHY the control towers have supervisors. ATC takes years of experience, & still things can go wrong. They were both idiots not to question the planes voice control. By NOT questioning THEY CAUSED A NEAR FATALITY OF HUNDREDS OF PASSENGERS & CREW.
The trainee probably had the controls while the Captain handled radio. Usually, the Captain won't take over the controls unless absolutely necessary. So the trainee probably had control over the plane for most of the almost incident and that's why he got jail time
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Both the ATC supervisor and trainee went to jail. This is Japanese we're talking about. One single mistake at work could cause you dearly, both ATC might probably got fired before they went to jail
Technically the supervisor was in fact held more responsible, he was given 18 months as oppose to the trainee’s 12 month of jail time.
A close friend of mine told me that he was on a flight to Thailand where his flight almost collided with another 747. He told me that his plane caught the jet blast from the 747 and shook so violently that the whole plane full of passengers were under the impression that they were all going to die. Nobody slept the remainder of the flight. These experiences make you look at life in a whole different light. He passed away of heart failure a few years ago. RIP Tom Berry.
There are two remarkable things about this story.
1. Those planes are approaching at about 1,000 miles per hour (both going 500 or so, in opposite directions). The reaction time of the 747 pilot is amazing.
2. Even at the same elevation, the odds of these two planes coming directly at each other are astronomical. It's a big sky up there!
Yes
2001 just wasn't a good year for aviation.
cause of another 9/11
this near miss, 9/11 and flight 587
adding on the Linate Airport disaster and Korean Air Flight 85
Amazing how two aircraft in the middle of nowhere, can come so close to each other on intersecting paths! The odds are astronomical, yet it happens. Great visuals and sound!!!
The air traffic is getting worse and worse, and the RISK (and not the actual happening) of collision between airplanes would become very high... this is what I read in a newspaper 10 years ago... so imagine now, in 2018.
Thousands of planes fly around the world every day, and they only cruise at 1000-foot increments. So the odds are definitely increased. It's not like they randomly fly from one airport to another.
How would you know it's "astronomical" (whatever that means). When people follow the same trails over and over (flight altitudes in 1000' increments, way points all the same for everybody, etc.), sooner or later they meet at the same time at one of the intersections.
the odss r less than astronomical
Just saying but commercial flights use flight corridors, basically like highways. So the chance of a collision, while remote, isnt impossible.
I’m laughing a lot seeing the comments in this serious video. 😂
It makes it a lot easier for levity when everyone survives - if not their jobs and freedom (and, as I understand from the comments, undergarments).
moral of the story: both pilots need to follow TCAS instructions.
After the Accident in Germany was change and the priority is follow the TCAS, in Case of confusion information with ATC .
each pilot covering for themselves over the PA system:
"ladies and gentlemen, it is a custom of the local people here to greet all visitors with a near-collision as their way of saying 'Welcome!'"
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OMG, I'm so glad they passed each other and survived, that would of been just awefull😭😭😭thank God they made it🙏🙏
If only pilot know the exact meaning of "RESOLUTION ADVISORY" by TCAS. Such Incident will never happen. TCAS not only detect the traffic on collision course, it also maps the geometry ahead, if the nose of the plane is below its mid line of its map, it yells to climb and reverse resolution is passed on to oncoming traffic and it follows to yell, "decend", traffic traffic, descend. Which ever planes detects the another plane first, it takes picture and superimpose the taken pic with many pics stored in its database and determines the probable position of oncoming airplane and according advices or in short, the low flying plane will fly down and high flying plane will fly higher. If map say oncoming planes nose is in the center. It takes a decesion, say it is decend, the reverse of decend is the resolution advisory passed on to next plane. Thus there is simply no reason exist to doubt the TCAS under any circumstances. TCAS literally sees the another plane. Thank fully, one of the pilot was able to see the another airplane, else the catastrophic event was inevitable. How I wished if russian pilots knew the technical/English meaning of TCAS advice, uberllington disaster had never happened, those children were grown now and had their own children. There would had been no distraught father, and Peter Nelson would be alive today. The saddest part is "lesson from uberllington disaster" is not fully learned by all pilots and especially the traffic controller. The controller should clearly say, "if ur TCAS is activated, do what it says, if not then only he should go on to advice the next step to be taken.
All nice and good with hindsight..It wasn't the Russian pilots fault. ATC had precedence over TCAS at that time, then after the accident they changed to giving TCAS precedence. Both options would work safely if both pilots follow. The issue is when one pilot follows TCAS and the other ATC.
I think that is the point of an accident. Everyone is coming with different understanding. Different cultures are trained to respect the human in ATC telling them to descend, meanwhile some pilots respects TCAS telling him to descend. The result, clearly both descend and both still on collision course.
@@TanzanianRoots I understand it wasn't russian pilots fault. But there is definitely a lack or lapse of international communication between FAA/NTSB and rest of the world. FAA mandated TCAS in European countries in year 2000. Sadly FAA was not loud enough to convey same to the rest of the world because they didn't had full confidence in TCAS until the system proved its worth in collision of Saudi and Kazakhstan airplane collided over India, After this crash the FAA implemented TCAS word wide. Here, we can not blame FAA for late implementation worldwide. Many countries took initiative and fitted TCAS even before FAA first mandate. In first mandate by FAA, all long range flight or an airplane carrying more than 30 passengers should hv TCAS onboard. As it was not mandatory for airplane not flying above European space. After this all. Flights that had fly over European spaces fitted TCAS including Russian passengers planes b/W to and from European spaces without in depth understanding of technology behind TCAS. TCAS was also neglected by many pilots thinking ATC is keeping full view of sky. when ATC failed and system ignored a catastropy was in line or waiting for saudi-khakistan mid air collision to move one step further. Some pilots fly just for flying and earning money while other pilots are real enthusiast and keep updating themselves with what's new is happening in aviation. As per book for a non enthusiastic pilot, ATC has precedence over TCAS, as per passionate pilot TCAS has to be a priority cause he understands the working of the system, he has indulged into every fibre of TCAS, if TCAS is malfunctioning, it won't say any thing and if it says something, it can never be wrong, either it will. It is not about russian or America's pilots, it's about "being a pilot"
Just like sir Sully, if both engines fail, do not try to return back to airport, just land as soon as possible. Sully knew non of airplane with double engine failure had ever made it to the airport, all crashed into building and poles.
And then we hv great example of gimli glider pilot, he crabbed his Boeing to reduce its speed, something he loved to do with his cessna.
Then we hv a pilot of Boeing landed on Nasa levy with one eye only. While landing onto hostile area, he was shot in right eye after touch down, although shot, yet he managed to took off instantly and successfully returned to origin of flight. No person will get a licence to fly a passenger plane with one eye, except this levy pilot, he is born into pilots family...All of his ancestors did one with love.. was/is flying. Chk out full story.
only lawers and judges aren't trainees in this story :(
I used to fly in helicopters in the Gulf of Mexico a lot for work and this would happen all the time with other helicopters in the area. The pilots would always ask whoever was riding up front to help them keep an eye out for other aircraft. They had tcas but until you experience it it’s rad to describe when the tcas system would start giving alarms and you can find the other aircraft with your eyes I gets scary pretty fast
6:30 my heart is pounding OMGGGG
I actually feel bad for the ATC trainee and his supervisor. They'll most likely never work again.
But i guess that's what you get for choosing a career like that, where a single mistake could result in the loss of hundreds of lives.
Glad the catastrophe was avoided in the end!
the problem was the supervisor didn't read properly the name plane , because otherwise, it wouldve been fine, and trainee's fault was that he didn't realise that his supervisor didn't read properly the name plane
yeah a was screaming at the video follow TCAS but i think this might have been the incident or one of the incidents that called for TCAS to take priority over ATC instruction. i do feel for the ATCs its just as hard as flying the A/C if not harder, thankfully everyone survived.
thing is, as atc u face jail for mistakes, as pilot, u face death
The only thing they did wrong was mis-reading the name of the aircraft, which is understandable in such a high pressure moment but also they have to be able to deal with that in a level-headed way in that job. However, I don't think that it warrants jail time. They aren't a danger to society so why lock them up? Doesn't make sense and is really awful to hear that happened to them.
Maybe the airplane's company had better lawyers and they were very pissed at this mistake
About 5 years ago I was flying back to Arizona, in a 737, i always look out the window the entire time! We were at our maximum altitude, and watched another airliner traveling the opposite direction, fly right passed us, it blew my mind, from our speed and their speed combined you could barely see it, but I was already looking at the same direction that it was flying, I estimated it was 800 feet away, and it felt so close, I remember asking another passenger did you see that, nobody seen it but me, and I never heard about it on the news. It was a very close call, I think every body just hid what happened so no one would get fired! I think if we hit head on every one would have instantly died, it was almost like a cartoon, that’s how fast it flew by!
Yes I have occasionally seen other jetliners streaking by while at cruise altitude, even if they're quite a distance away it's a little unnerving.
On a flight last year from Dallas to Tucson we passed very close to another plane while at cruising altitude....290 i think. I could see people through the other planes windows. When we got to Tucson and were leaving the plane I asked one of the pilots, "Are you going to have to write an incident report for this flight?" I don't think I've ever gotten a shittier look from anybody. Wasn't what I was expecting. Good ol AA. If they ain't losing your bags, they're not flying you anywhere.
Would you mind mentioning some details of the flight... I think we shouldn't just investigate the crashes but also encounters like the one you've mentioned.
Prob a made up story
I also experienced a near mid-air collision on easyJet... the other plane was below us, not so close that I could see the other people, but I could read the company logo (another easyJet) that was a bit scary
@@backslash68 perfectly safe, though. Usually 1000 feet of separation is perfectly normal between planes on a flight corridor for planes heading in different directions.
Maybe it's a simulation, but nonetheless I jumped out of my seat when I saw the planes almost collide.
Another fantastic video. Thanks.
Same for me.
Me too!! My heart was like, "holy shit!!" Imagine the passengers....
Except the closeness of the two JAL flights were more than over-exagerated since there were 135m between the two in real life. In the animation it looked like less than 2 m.
I do believe that the very best judge of how "close" those planes appeared would be the pilots and passengers of both (actual) planes involved in the near miss.
Here's a little more perspective/food for thought:
DC-10 Length 182 ft 1 in
DC-10 Height 58 ft 1 in
DC-10 Wing span 165 ft 5 in
Boeing 747 Length 231 ft 10 in
Boeing 747 Height 63 feet 5 in
Boeing 747 Wing span
135 m is roughly 442 ft, so therefore the distance between the 2 planes would have been roughly seven 747 planes (height-wise) between the 2. Regardless, that's just too damned close for me. I would imagine that due to the speed of both planes and how quickly this incident must have occurred the passengers reference/point of view may very well have been that the planes appeared much closer than they actually turned out to be.
Or, maybe think of it this way. When you were learning how to drive and sitting at a red light and a truck or bus made a wide turn coming in to your lane, did it not appear closer that it actually was? Did you back up your vehicle in nervousness (I know I did).
Bottom line for me is I don't think this video is as far off the mark concerning the distance between the 2 planes as you do. But I could be wrong.
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They were actually like 400 feet apart, but it wouldn't look as cinematic.
Isn't that approximately 135 feet as stated in the video?
@FichDichInDemArsch Yeah it's 135 meters and not feet. My bad.
135m is pretty close considering. Say two full plane lengths.
According to Japan Times, they were as close as 10 meters or about 33 feet.
www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/02/02/national/jal-jets-10-meters-from-disaster/
@@tensevo yep... you'd think the smart thing to do for the other plane would've been to stay on the runway before departing so this incident wouldn't happen
Your videos are better than most documentaries. Thank you so much for them!
That there were *TWO* different control systems *SIMULTANEOUSLY* instructing the pilots is hardly mentioned.
The trainer *ISN'T* guilty either.
The airline needed a scape-goat. Threw trainer & trainee under the bus.
Got to be seen they took care of those "responsible." Right..?
It's pretty clear that JAL and the JP government threw people under a bus for publicity purposes. reminds me of those Italian geologists and volcanologists that were prosecuted (I don't think they want to jail however) for failing to predict an earthquake. Also notice that in Japan, 99% of the time after the police recocommend a suspect be arrested, the suspect is convicted in court. This is Japanese society's mindset: 'if the police said so, it must be true', even for many if not nearly all judges (note the appeal court overturned the trial court in this video). Simple probability tells you that the police cannot be infallible in any country, hence a significant percentage of people in Japanese jail are innocent.
Now, that's an interesting observation! Conflict was created by the presence of the two systems. There should have been a preference for decent or limb based on heading. That way, the instructions would look the same regardless of which system issues it, nd the pilots would also have an idea of whats going on.
Your videos are just amazing... Keep it up!
Glad to hear that, thanks man!!
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This is my first time to watch TheFlightChannel video 4 minutes after its upload.
This reminds me of the air collision that happened above germany, between the tupolev and 757. It was a complete tragedy, and the fact that something so similiar almost happened is just flabergastering.
I appreciate the level of detail you go to in these FSX animations. Adds a good layer of understanding of the official reports from a visual perspective. This one in particular i simply didn't compute how close they actually came until i saw this...
Jesus christ, you know this is a dramatisation? They WEREN'T that close. Those planes in the video must have been what, 20m from each other if you're pushing it? The video states that in reallife they came within 135m, which is close for a jetliner but not the ridiculous stunt flying going on in this video.
Maybe it should have been titled, "Training Day", due to the trainees on both planes and at ATC.
Excellent flying by both pilots. It seems like an honest mistake by the trainee controller. If he wasn't up to the task, then his supervisor should be the one responsible.
What might have helped is if the TCAS transponders in both planes were also linked to ATC, so contradictory commands weren't given.
As for a 130 meter near miss -- the graphics sure made it look *MUCH CLOSER* than that!
My only question is how they ended up on a collision course in the first place. Maybe *THAT* is where ATC really screwed up!
135m at the speed of those aircrafts is just incredible!
I love JAL, I was 3 years old when this happened. To see how close both planes got to each other was terrifying. And as for what we are dealing with right now, I hope we can all fly again soon.
Except, as noted in the incident report mentioned in the video, they were "estimated to have passed within 135 meters of each other". That's longer than the length of a football field. In the sequence simulation slow-motion 'replay' at 6:55, it looks like they pass well under 10 meters of each other - and with zero lateral miss distance. That is most unlikely. Why does this channel stretch the facts like that? Because it looks so 'cool' and enhances the drama while delivering the necessary sensational thrill to the viewing audience to draw their revenue-bearing clicks, that's why. They will never miss an opportunity to hype up and exaggerate the dramatic angle as long as its 'technically consistent with the facts' - in this case, "within 135 meters". It is a typical strategy of this channel. Unfortunately, the habit of hype which makes it so popular also makes it untrustworthy for anyone who seriously wishes to obtain an accurate insight on aviation incidents and mishaps in the real world.
@@smartingamerica Damn thats crazy no one cares tho so stfu
@@thrtnthrtn Is that your handle or your age?
IDK why pilots in air collision or near collisions never listen to their TCAS.. I'm nowhere near to being a pilot but even I know that TCAS overrules ATC orders since a long time ago..
Back then, TCAS was a rather new. They didn’t know that they should follow TCAS as first priority
That is exactly the reason why you see this things happen, because of human error. If they listened, there wouldn't be any near miss. The only way there could be one is this.
That wasn’t obvious back then though. In fact this incident is the very reason this rule was made clear to pilots worldwide.
I will flatly say...
I do not undestand.. how TCAS.. has become "so important" that it overules.. ATC.
Thats gotta be the.. dumbest damn thing in the world.
@@SlidTossedPissed What you're missing is that TCAS isn't an independent system on a plane. The TCAS in each plane communicates with the other TCAS to make sure they aren't giving out the same climb/descend instruction to their respective crews, ensuring the planes would never collide.
When one of the flight crews does the opposite of what TCAS tells them to do, that's when you have a potential mid-air collision.
How innocent are the passengers and oblivious to the mistakes of the pilots. God save us from this!
When I grow up I wanna be an air traffic controller.....ends up in prison!
Pilot1: Soooo, there is a conflict
Pilot2: How do we solve it.
Pilot1: Let's meet up.
Great that there was no fatalities. Somebody messed up with the system that such a near miss happened in the first place. I hope lessons have been learned.
ICAO should make it mandatory to adhere to TCAS. Maybe it's already so, but what happens psychologically in the minds of the pilots is quite another thing.
Congratulations on the great work, it should take a long time to finish editing and recording the scenes, but still you continue, I loved it(Sad history).