Why This Plane Had A Dangerous Reputation: The DC-10
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The DC-10’s story begins in the early 1970’s, at a pivotal time when air travel was undergoing a revolution. A new generation of wide-body airliners like the Boeing 747 introduced for 1970’s increased passenger capacity at a time when air travel was becoming more affordable.
In 1971, McDonnell Douglas introduced their first airliner wide-body airliner, the DC-10. But few months later, rival aircraft builder Lockheed introduced their new wide body airliner, the L-1011. The DC-10 and L-1011 were similar aircraft aimed at similar segments of the market. The DC-10 incorporated many existing narrow body technologies from earlier DC-8 and DC-9’s. Focusing on simplicity and reliability, McDonnell Douglas took a technologically cautious approach in an era of rapid technological change, and this helped accelerate the DC-10’s development. This design approach, in part, helped McDonnell Douglas beat rival Lockheed to the market and the DC-10 was soon outselling the L1011.
But after just a few years in service, the DC-10 would go from being pride of airlines, to a plane some people thought twice about flying. A series of accidents during the 1970’s, some of which were attributed to the plane’s design, shrouded the DC-10 in controversy. McDonnell Douglas found itself facing extraordinary accusations that it had rushed the plane’s development, leading to inadequate, even negligent design decisions. Damage to the DC-10’s reputation would peak in 1975, after the Federal Aviation Administration temporarily suspended the DC-10’s Type certificate.
It would take years for the DC-10’s reputation to recover, and by the 1980s, McDonnell Douglas was facing even bigger challenges. The market had really only been big enough for one tri-jet and that ensured that neither would become a true commercial success. Despite its troubled start, the DC-10 would fly for over 40 years serving with some of the world’s largest airlines. In spite of tragic early accidents statically the DC-10’s safety record would go on to be comparable to other wide bodies of the era. #DC10 #McdonnellDouglas #Trijet #Airplane
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Last year we covered the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar (ruclips.net/video/jkFYD7R_Xig/видео.html).... this year we take a look at the DC-10!
Sixteen seconds ago, this comment was posted.
Also, L-1011 Tristar is the best plane I've ever seen.
I loved the Lockheed L-1011!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Could you do a vid on the N1 rocket?
Fun fact: Avoiding boarding the DC-10 won't make you avoid any crashes, the aircraft literally destroyed a Concorde with its metal piece lying on the runway.
@@Batman-wv5ng what?
@@Batman-wv5ng So the spacer shot forwards and up into the engine??
@@Batman-wv5ng no he is right, a piece fell off a DC-10 right before Concorde used the same runway. It caused the problem when concorde ran over it and the tire that burst hit the fuel tank. Continental airlines were even held liable for their plane dropping parts on the runway and had to pay 70% of the compensation.
@@Batman-wv5ng why should we believe you
you cant even spell media
@@Batman-wv5ng no you dont, if you did then you would know proper grammar
the aesthetic of that 70's/80's clip of the DC-10 going over the highway at the beginning is so top notch.
ChesterDaMemeMaster it’s beautiful. I loved the old AA livery and the DC10 looks absolutely stunning.
SWP 215 its in Los Angeles at Los Angeles International
Agreed. -I had to watch that bit about 4 times lol! #Awesome
0:50
Airport taxiway overpasses over airport roadways is nothing new. Doesn’t DFW have the same thing?
Having lived in the San Fernando Valley as a kid, I also remember a small tunnel on Sherman Way, that goes under a runway at Van Nuys airport.
“The company that built it never fully recovered from its misstep”
Boeing: *laughs nervously*
Right? Weird how Boeing did exactly the same crap after it bought MD. Someone once said MD used Boeings money to buy Boeing. What a shame.
Boeing, unfortunately, inherited the MD management and attitude of cost-cutting, leading to another high-profile fleet grounding(737MAX).
@@jennaw723 What same crap? Did you not just watch the video.. it was just explained that really neither incident was MD's fault.
You could argue that MD should have made an easier to use or better train ground personnel on how to close the door.. but its not their fault that it wasn't closed properly. The AA incident was because mechanics were slamming the engine into the pylon mounts with a forklift during engine changes.. which again wasn't the procedure that was to be used per the DC10 manual.
You're worse than the people back then, you were literally just presented the information. You would figure the internet would make people more intelligent, but if something requires effort and research..
@@cefb8923 I'm preeettty sure that when someone says "same" about such events, they don't mean exactly on a minute to minute copy.
737 Max and DC 10 had somewhat similar footsteps.
Jets developed on older tech, just modified, one was to make it easy for pilots, the other for cost.
Both had an issue during testing which was just unreported to carriers and sent as a minor bulletin. One was the stability due to MCAS and the other was the cargo door.
@@cefb8923 the DC 10 and 737 MAX both had flaws which were inadequately "solved" by their manufacturers
The DC-10: a plane so bad that it wasn't satisfied with destroying itself. It had to take down Concorde with it.
DC - Death to Concorde. It told early.
Solid anti competition strategy if i heard of one...
But it did expose some flaws in Concorde though.
@@declannewton2556 it wasn't a concorde's fault things fell out of a dc10
@Shanghai You do understand that the fuel tank was hit and not the engine directly? The Concorde consumed so much fuel that it made it impossible to have small fuel tanks or less no:s of them.None of the earlier tire bursts were fatal either
Boeing 737 Max: *Grounded
DC-10: First time?
HAHAHAHHA GOOD ONE
Hehehe.Nice.
DC-10: I’m the most dangerous airplane
737 MAX Series: Hold my beer!
@The random youtuber The 747 wasn't grounded for months...
You have the same pfp as me
I’ve flown on the DC-10 several times and I didn’t even die once...
One kilobyte of ram Congrats...
Hehe
Wow
I flew one and died instantly
I flew it from Copenhagen via SAS DC-10 to Bangkok and vice versa ... still here. USAF uses it as the KC-10A Extender
Liar!
I only traveled once on a DC-10 VARIG flight on my honeymoon. Couple seats were reserved for us and a wedding cake with congratulations from the cockpit made the trip a real party. I enjoyed the plane and trip, until it landed. From there, the rest of my life was the real disaster. I did not know that the dangerous reputation was that of my wife.
😂
Varig, brasileiro.
@@rosstheboss8633 Sim
Claramente foi culpa do avião 😂
22 or 13@@surumu993
My dad was a captain with Delta. He made the inaugural passenger flight of the L-1011 for Delta in November 1972. I remember flying that plane a lot. My dad loved that airplane. He also made the first Cat-3 landing (zero visibility) with that plane in Atlanta. The airport was closed, but he was given permission to land.
Automatic landing system?
Cat III is not zero visibility. Three hundred feet visibility. Not a lot, but not zero. Delta used autoland.
My dad also flew the L-1011 for Delta , but in the late 1980s. He loved Lockheed as he also flew P-3s in the USN and USNR. He hated McDonnell Douglas aircraft. Referred to the DC-10 as death cruiser and the MD-88s as the “mad dog”. His favorite aircraft that he flew at Delta were the L-1011, 757, 767 and 727 in that order. Least favorite MD-88/90, DC-9 and 737-800.
@@Pwj579 I've got about 2800 hours in the KC-10 from the military in the '80s. I loved it. Delightful handling characteristics and very reliable. Unlike Boeing, very quiet cockpit. I've got over 20,000 hours now in the 737 in six variants. The -700 is my favorite to fly, the -800 probably the least favorite. The MAX is the first quiet one. I rather like it.
@@aggieengineer2635 thanks for the reply!
First, thank you for your service in the USAF /ANG flying the big gas can in the sky.
Weren’t the KC-10s among the last DC-10 airframes produced? Probably got all the bugs out. My dad avoided the MD-11 while at Delta, because of their reputation.
Would love to hear more about your experience in the 737 Max.
Seems like the 737-600/700 were the best of the NGs.
All that extra length and weight for the 800/900 my dad thought made it handle poorly.
*Boeing 737 MAX 8 Entered the Chat*
Amal Dev U just like McDonnel Douglas knew about the Cargo Door Issue, Boeing knew about MCAS issues. Also they tricked the FCC into getting the Airworthiness Certificate. Just like McDonnel Douglas did with the DC10.
I hope Boeing drowns just like McDonnel Douglas did!
@@Apoindeed I've heard from my uncle who works at Boeing saying it was actually the other way around. McDonnel Douglas bought out Boeing but kept the name to clear their reputation.
Joseph Corley no, with that debt they didnt. They certainly were not in the Financial position to even buy a grocery store. The staggering debt that they accumulated through all the lawsuits was certainly not gonna let then buy Boeing. So it definitely was the other way around
@@Apoindeed settling the lawsuits despite it being the largest in history at the time (somewhere around 18 million in 1970's money) was like getting a speeding ticket to a large corporation like McDonald-Douglas. The real losses would be from customers that stop buying their products, which is what ended up happening especially since the cold war was ending. They still had PLENTY of money to spare and invest and discuss a merging with Boeing before it dried up from the upkeep of keeping the company running.
True
The ad at the end in the guise of a airline cabin announcement, complete w/ "safety instruction" booklet is ***brilliant***!
@beechComer I'm not sure Squarespace wants to be associated with the Death Contraption-10.
Love that name
Still didn't watch it though
No it was Squarespace :P
ladies and gentlemen, this is the captain speaking.....WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED I SAY!
DC10: See that guy Concorde over there? Thinks he so great. I'm gonna show him....
A classmate of mine lost their father on a DC10 over Paris. The Turkish Airlines THY981 Paris to London on 3/3/74 went down after an explosive decompression caused the floor to collapse, disrupting controls, and causing the total loss of control after the cargo door fell off. This classmate never was the same again. My father knew the father who died. They both worked for British Airways. I always wanted to be a pilot, and although only aged 10 at the time of the crash, it was easy to understand what happened. I never ever flew on one of those things. I always avoided booking a flight that used one. The classmate appeared depressed for the rest of their school years. I can only imagine the terror of being aboard that thing. Given a cargo door had already fallen off, I hated McDonnell Douglas forever, and I still do. That accident should never have happened. What an evil thing to allow such a pitiful design fault to go un-checked for commercial gain when it had already happened before! Disgraceful.
The DC10 was a competitor for the Lockheed 1011. The L1011 was better.
@@rodbutler4054 Yes, well the L1011 crashed less. A friend of mines father flew one. Sadly, I never went on the L1011. It just never came up on the flights I took which were mainly LHR to USA or mainland Europe with mainly BA, which meant mainly Boeings at that time.
I haven't experienced flying on any McDonnell Douglas Aviation planes or products, nor have I had something like this happen to me, and I *still* hate McDonnell Douglas despite not trying their products.
It's like hating on Nintendo for not trying the Nintendo Switch, or hating on Apple because you believe that their products in general suck. You're probably right, but also somewhat wrong.
@@MrGman2804 Not everyone went on the glamorous and probably luxurious L-1011. Don't worry about it. I wish I went on one too. Sadly I'm a Gen Z and the last L-1011 flew in the 1980's or 90's.
Douglas had already issued a modification for the cargo door. But it was not marked urgent. In the meantime our F/Es closed the aft cargo door before flight. The Paris DC-10 COULD have survived if the pilot had known that the control wires for the AUTOPILOT were routed through the roof of the cabin. Engaging the autopilot and carrying out an autoland was possible. NOT the pilot's fault. Very few pilots knew about this. After the crash result was published I flew to Tokyo where we did our simulator training and checks and, with the help of the JAL sim people , reproduced the problem and trained my pilots on how to deal with it. Loved the DC 10--a beautiful aircraft with a great performance. Don't hate MD or the DC 10 it was bad ground handling at Orly that killed the Turkish DC-10.
You never see commercials for aircraft anymore
Makes me wonder what happened?
@@Xilog People care about prices now more than the wow of the plane.
False I've seen a lot of 787 ads also ads for 737 MAX.
Cuz the technology hasn't really changed or innovated. Just improved upon
@@nooranik21 by boeing, for buyers. Not for travellers.
Man, the production value on your videos is just through the roof. I'm not usually super interested in aviation, but this content is great.
Especially the ending haha
Quality over content evrytime. This is the most underrated channel on RUclips.
Hilariously enough the DC-10 for all its Daily Crash memes is also one hell of a tough machine, one survived the extreme maneuvers it was never ever meant to be capable of by the Fedex 705 crew and is still in service till this day totalling for about 30 something years
daily crash 10
Would not be me to enter that old thing
It's retired now. There are a very small handful of MD-11s left, but they, too are scheduled for the boneyard next year.(2024)
@@AFilipinoJapanese sorry, mate. They're well over 40 years old. Time to go.
@@jmetro5456death chamber 10
The DC-10 still flies as the USAF KC-10 Extender. It was a bit of a shock to see the old trijet when I was on deployment recently.
i love those refuelers and the kc-135
FedEx still uses it too
@@lsymfr5795 fedex is goated
@@Plugneedsahug it's funny once a FedEx one came through the crew forgot to set the parking break causing it to roll back into the chock and because we normally do not get cargo airplanes we didn't have the equipment to get it unstuck and the crew refused to use the engines to get it unstuck. At the end they used the third engine at the stop move the airplane
@@lsymfr5795 that sounds cool and really annoying for you at the same time 😅
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*"...it went from being the pride of airlines, one that people would think twice about flying"*
...like the Boeing 737 MAX
*curb your enthusiasm plays*
Wow, that was original.
Still wouldn't think twice about flying the MAX.
Or flying in general.
737 Max was never going to be the pride of airlines
@@sauercrowder unfortunately.
I have flown on the DC10 countless times. The last time was on a Northwest Airlines flight from Minneapolis in 1994. It was truly like a flying living room. The first time I flew on a DC10, it had a breakfast buffet. Those kind of aircraft comforts are long gone.
I flew many as well and the old 747 with the upstairs bar which I enjoyed as a teen over international waters. Oh while smoking like a stack lol
In the early 1970's I worked as crew on 747s for British Airways. I never worked on the DC 10 but was aware of the crashes due to the cargo door. Friends of mine working the DC 10 route (London Heathrow to Los Angeles) called it the "Sorry Fleet" because they were constantly having to apologise to passengers for things on board which didn't work.
Definitely LAX - the "Imperial Highway" in the road sign connects greater LA to (east of San Diego) Imperial County, CA.
that is a maintenance function.... just like the AA crash in chicago... due to mechanics improperly changing engines without removing the bracket... to save time and toil
8:18 "Is there a secret drinker at the back?"
Airbus's snarky remark on the MD DC-10's Trijet tail.
The quality of 3D animation are so fantastic! A huge leap from your previous videos. Thanks again for bringing us such a good and inspiring content 🙂
agreed
S G Yeah, as an amateur 3D animator myself. I was creating plane model before in Blender and its prove that I need to learn more about texturing and detailing the model
Scimagin cool hope you get better at it ima sub to u
there I subbed
S G Thanks a lot, but I need to remind you that I’m not quite active as a creator for now due to irl stuff 😅 Just watching great video like this to get new idea.
DC-10 you saved our country towns twice over here in AUS . A fire so huge and out of control the towns were deemed unsavable, watching you fly into gullies releasing your loads and climb up and out of places where I'd fear for small aircraft was just beyond belief. No matter what anyone else thinks, says or imagines your OK with me. Absolutely amazing aircraft.
* you're
@@KB2HSH it's been 9 months since he sent this bruh you're weird
Your English is horribly bad. Just incoherent
@@jacenthegreat9536 the fact that your calling people out for replying late says a lot about how old you are mentally and it’s quite concerning I’d say…
@@jacenthegreat9536 There's no sin in being correct, regardless of time.
This plane is the reason that the retirement of Concorde was confirmed so thanks DC-10
Yeah the DC10 is the cause for sonic booms and jet fuel being expensive.
People are dense.
@@cefb8923 I hope that it was a joke, In reality, a part of one of the dc-10 fell off on the runway which later caused an explosion in a Concord which brought the entire flight down
Hmm, next time tell the repair facility not to purchase 3rd rate non approved replacement parts. That's a design flaw eh genius? Fascism in control eh?
@@somethingelse9228 it wasn't just that though, a series of events lead to it. Pilot error, fuel overloaded capacity, too much cargo weight from customer baggage. It was an awful disaster.
@Rafael Enriquez Concorde was just too ahead of its time but not. Amazing engineering but it's another case of: look what we can make! Without thinking of the future and being to maintain and run it.
Despite its terrible start, I love this airplane.
Hi Allec
Same
@@747heavyboeing3 Wow I just looked that up. Awesome! What a great plane!!
@@kona702 outlasted the Tristar by decades.
I like the both of the plans the tristar and the DC 10
Literally 90% of the comments here about the 737 Max.
The other 20% are about the Concord.
The 737 Max is the new flying brick, the new turkey...
@@Star737_yt no it is not
Cuz the parallel and the irony that McDonald Douglas was merged into Boeing. (No, it was in no position to have "bought up Boeing" like an earlier comment suggested.)
“ The 737 mAx is GoInG BaCk in the SkiEs tHiS YeAr.”
Cue the sponge bob meme.
My dad was a teenager living in Paris, France at the time when the Turkish airlines DC10 crashed.
Him and his friends managed to get to the scene moments before the emergency services did.
Thats a really sad but important story...
Your friends are very lucky
Thank you to your father and friends for their efforts.
Thank you to the people of Senlis and the area. You were, and are, magnificent. Whenever we visit we are treated oh so well. People care, 50 years on the people still show care and love to the victims and their famailies.
Thank you.
That Delta L-1011 at 4:35 is probably laughing so hard
DC-10 : i'm the deadliest jetliner
B737 MAX 8 : Hold my beer!
😞
Lol 😂😂😂
@hengky prayoga dude what the heck that aint dc-10 that is md-90
cloridan Beauchamps But it’s not, because it’s also been in service for decades. The 737Max is nearly brand new and has had two complete loss crashes in a 5 month span, both with brand new planes. Crashes on the 747 weren’t all because of an inherent flaw in the aircraft’s design. The Max is linked to a flaw within the design of the plane itself.
@@dodecahedron1 You mean the planes alive, and it was the plane itself who killed the people.
I remember taking off in one of these flying boxcars back in the 80s when leaving Pearl Harbor to fly home after a tour of duty in the Navy. It felt so loose like the whole thing was about to come apart as it left the runway. I had been on the comparable L1011 a number of times and it was always a wonderfully smooth ride. I avoided the DC-10 as often as I could from then on.
November 1979 I would fly to Germany for a military assignment. I would walk out on the tarmac at McGuire AFB and would see the aircraft we would board to Germany-- a DC-10. Oh the horror. The aircraft did get everyone safely to Germany and two years later I would take a DC-10 back to the States.
@@josepharnold8422 : Your full of it, put your dress back on honey.
@@slowpoke3102 Ha! I may have flown him as I was on the -10 and flew many times to Hawaii. Loved the plane.
@@jcheck6 : Thanks a little truth somewhere, less religulous mobster takeover by legitimized armed robbery. . .
It did feel like it was going to fall apart it was when it would fall apart
My father flew the DC-10. He never had a problem with it. He loved it. He also flew the 747.
I'm very proud of him, what airline? I might know him
He "HAD" flew it 😔
@@sadsworth4605 then it’s probably passenger DC-10 as they were retired nearly a decade ago
He was never seen again
My dad did too! He was a pilot for UAL 60's-90's, in fact he said the DC-10 was his favorite airplane to fly in all his years.
even in the early 2000s when I flew on one of these it still had a reputation. Today these things are the backbone of the air cargo industry
It also ended the era of Concorde
No, it just made the end flashy. The price of operating Concorde is what ended it. And more accurately, the airline operating the DC-10 using shoddy after market parts was responsible for the metal on the runway, not the design of the plane...and c'mon...what tard designs a plane the explodes into flames just because a tire blows?
@flip inheck I never said Concorde exploded. At least not until it hit the ground as a flaming wreck.
@@DrForrester87 Your comment shows up your ignorance and jealousy, perhaps?
@@scrmepal jealously of what?
@@DrForrester87 ........jealousy of the Concorde!..........the Concorde was not a tard as you say!
That Squarespace cracked me up. They are lucky to have you.
That was one of the best sponsor clips ever. So smooth. I didn't skip through, I watched all if it.
My first ever flight was on a DC10 from Scotland to USA in 1989. Loved the interior of the plane. At that time I hadn't heard of DC10
Amazing editing, I appreciate your efforts. Not even some TV programs have this high quality content 👍
Much agreed.
i know. gaaaawwww, i'm going to the patreon to subscribe now, it's that good.
For many years I flew as a flight attendant for Lufthansa. First B 747 and B 727, later DC 10 and B 737. Loved all the Boeing airplanes, hated the DC - Fix as we called it. Lufthansa had a few DC 10's that were front 2/3rds passenger and back 1/3 freight capacity. I loved working the back galley's and will never forget one take off from Frankfurt going to JFK. We had secured the back doors and attached the slides and I sat in my back jump seat for take off. Wanted to light my cigarette after the no smoking signs went off and my lighter didn't work. There was a strong breeze coming from the R4 door. It had opened about 20 cm and inching upward. I grabbed the phone and called the cock-pit crew. An absolute no-no during takeoff, but this was an emergency. Told the flight engineer that the R4 was open, he said, 'can't be, all doors show they are closed'. Told him I had a birds eye view of Kelsterbach and someone has to do something right away. The airplane leveled off some and I watched the flight engineer slowly make his way back to my part of the cabin, he looked around the corner of the container wall and went absolutely pale. Looked at me with the same horror I knew I had in my eyes and said, 'You have to help me close it'. I'm thinking, 'Hell no, no way in hell'. He inched his way to the door and I got up and came from the other side. Together we pulled the door down as hard as we could, and it locked back into place. He was shaking as much as I was, patted my cheek and went back into the cockpit. Needless to say, I went back to my old group upon arrival back in Frankfurt.
Good lord. And.... what a great story.
Wow!
When they messed up the the plane,they really went all out!
Can we be friends
Relevant parts of the story are missing! Did the lighter work afterwards?
I flew in a DC 10 a few times and DC9 was unpleasant, both planes fly at an uphill angle and for some reason have poor circulation of air giving a sense of claustrophobia. On a return flight from holiday the DC9 was on the apron with a load of mechanics with torches!!! struggling to get one of the engines to run reliably, after watching futile efforts to mend the plane all of the passengers informed the desk they were not prepared to travel on this plane, so we had to wait for an alternative DC9.
You should see the boys at *10 Tanker* flying them as water bombers... incredible to watch just how rugged and agile these half century old widebody giants really are... truly brilliant engineering.
“The Dc-10 earned a dangerous reputation”.
But earn my respect for fighting in the skies against wildfires.
Your videos are dangerously good, literally turn me into a procrastinator
I flew in a Canadian Airlines DC-10 (ex- Canadian Pacific Airlines) in 1994, from Toronto to Calgary. I found it to be the noisiest airliner I can still remember. Surprised to see it was once considered quiet!
Its cargo door was probably open.
Well, in the 1970s, it was considered modern and innovative in terms of noise reduction and comfort, but in 1994 the construction was already 20 years old, so naturally there was more advanced competition and people felt different about noise.
Obviously you never flew a dc-10. Try flying a 727 if you can find one. Sit in the rear next to the engine then sit on a DC-10 in the rear. Then see what noisy is. You'll need a firing range helmet in the back of the 727 or a L1011. Obviously you never flew any of those. Louder than STUFF ! Gee Lockheed is looking at borrowing (again) that rear engine mount in their swiped plans for the new sst. At least in the drawing of the prototype. Much quieter than the L1011.
@@slowpoke3102 he never said he flew it….
@@archangel6666 : More noise from the gotta pretend I know what I'm typing about gallery. SURE! 👣
Now these things are literally saving communities from wildfires.
Looks like MD reputation is making its way into Boeing with all the problems the 737 MAX is having.
Keep it up man. I have little paticular interest in aviation, but i always keep coming back for your videos. I don't know how you make them, but their quality is overwhelming. Both in visuals and in storytelling. You deserve way more subscribers
@@adibmouhanna6823 your comment does not have any link at all. What the fuck you talking about.
@@adibmouhanna6823 whut?
adib mouhanna Wtf are you talking about?
adib mouhanna You mean how AF4590 was loaded above its approved takeoff weight, unevenly distributed, and missing a spacer on its left main landing gear?
@@adibmouhanna6823 please make your own comment or thread. You don't have to reply to someone else post.
*BANG*
Captain: what was that?!
Co-pilot: Must be the engine mounting, cargo doors, and passenger doors have come off sir
Captain: damn, third time this week, got a smoke?
You picked the wrong week to quit smoking.
Swissair 111 intensifies.
the DC-10 would have made a great kamikaze. only problem was it would probably be able to reach its target before the engines fell off.
The engine issue had nothing to do with the design...IMPROPER MAINTENANCE!!
Several airlines were FINED for this!!
Sounds about right
Flow on one of them once coming home from holidays in Spain first time I even felt afraid on a plane. Sitting at the back and it was a horrible experience. After that I always checked out when travelling if the company had any of them first.
I flew on a DC 10 twice. It was the mid 90’s, and AAA was doing air charters to Washington for a package day trip. It was very inexpensive, and was an ideal way to fly to DC, ditch the travel group, take the shuttle into the city, do what we wanted for the day, return to the airport before the flight, and fly back home. The only detail I didn’t know until we arrived at DTW was the aircraft used for the trip was a rather old DC 10. I had never flown one before and didn’t let my friends who were on the trip with me, know that I was a bit nervous. Even though it was a charter, there were assigned seats. We were a group of 5, 4 in the middle row, and 1 on the aisle in the first row of coach. As we were seated, I noticed how old the plane was because of the numerous cracks in the bulkhead areas. My friend pointed these out and I just told him to keep quiet. As the flight lifted off, the cracks were flexing noticeably. It was that way the whole flight to DC and back to DTW. I’m glad we flew round trip in this antique wide body without incident. I wish there were someway to find out how old the plane was because I swear it looked like the first one ever produced.
Yea I’d say a giant hole in the side of the plane is “a basic fault in design” lmao
@Marechal Zolotoy yeah crashing is such an inconvenience
It's not a fault, it's a feature
Just keep asking WHY, and you will find the real answer.
It'll buff out.
maintenance faults and design flaws
DC10: I really wasn't safe...
737 max: A safety measure made me unsafe...
Ironic, isn't it?
Actually the other way around. The DC-10 accidents were due to improper maintenance, 737 Max due to not being safe.
@@pigmasteradam2489 : Well, the 1979 American Airlines Flight 191 crash was indeed due to improper maintenance procedures, but on American Airlines Flight 96 (1972) and Turkish Airlines Flight 981 (1974), the cargo door blew open due to faulty design of the latch mechanism. And as a result of poor design of the fuselage, the explosive decompression resulting from the cargo door flying open caused the floor of the passenger compartment to collapse, severing or jamming the control cables than ran underneath the floor, causing a loss of control of the airplane. Flight 96 landed safely in Detroit, but Flight 981 did not, crashing in a forest near Paris, killing all 346 on board.
Then there was United Airlines Flight 232 which crashed at Sioux City, Iowa in 1989. An explosive disintegration of the second engine's fan disk ruptured all three hydraulic systems, leading to a loss of control of the aircraft.
@@Milesco after 191, the DC-10 had very few major accidents.
@@GiordanDiodato : Well, that Sioux City crash in '89 was pretty major.
The MD-11 cockpit and other changes were incorporated into the existing DC-10s to make MD-10s and were used by FedEx as cargo airplanes. The large model displayed at 8:30 was still on display in the basement lobby of building 800 in Long Beach when I worked there from 1997-2013, before moving to Seattle.
You have to agree that this is One of the best informational videos on RUclips.
it's weird seeing ads for planes on TV like theyre cars or something
instead of just seeing ads for airLINES
Airlines are barely profitable in good times, so you won't see any ads because the marketing budget is always cut first.
I saw a commercial for the Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber once, I could not afford it at the time
In summer 1976 I flew in a United D-10. And let me tell you it had the fastest most powerful takeoff I have ever experienced in my life !
maybe a short range route wich requires low fuel? all airliners are rockets when near empty of cargo and low fuel...
With all the safety issues, I still would have loved to fly on one, I bet that takeoff was truly amazing for a jetliner!!
@@dmeemd7787 yeah me too... while i usually bash the DC10 in favor of the L1011 ..i would had loved flying in a DC/MD at least one...
@@sparrowlt oh absolutely!
it was probably windy that day, given you only flew it once in summer of 76'
Good information on the Dc10. I have noticed that many crashes involved this model but in my business days I took many short domestic trips and no damages.
Retired now, if flying I would not take a DC 10.
Great video, but I can’t believe you glossed over the most incredible of all DC-10 incidents, which was the one in Sioux City, IA.
Can you clarify this for me please?
@@FercoughIn July of 1989 a DC-10 departing Denver to Chicago experienced a catastrophic turbine failure that sent shards of the fan ripping through the empennage , severing several hydraulic lines and rendering control of the airplane almost impossible. Despite having effectively no elevator or aileron, the pilots masterfully got the plane lined up for an approach to Sioux City, mostly using throttle and differential thrust to finesse the plane to airstrip. Miraculously, the aircraft made the field, but crashed on the runway breaking apart and catching fire. Thanks to remarkable pilot skill, most of the passengers survived - although many did perish. It ranks up there with Sully’s Miracle on the Hudson as one of aviation’s most incredible stories, and despite numerous attempts after the fact, simulator pilots could never successfully replicate what those skilled pilots did that day.
I feel like history has repeated itself with the 737 and its rivalry with the airbus
It's extremely eerie how it's pretty much the same except for a few minor differences. The saying goes...what goes on in the dark eventually comes to light.
Antoine Swans 👍🏻
Everyone blames the rivalry but the airlines themselves would have been pushing for a 737 NG replacement that did NOT require complete crew recertification the 737 is the world's most widely used airliner the cost would have been enormous. Boeing built the aircraft that was asked of them
Well, 20 years before the DC-10 there was the De Havilland Comet. Sadly much of aviation history is trial and error.
History doesn't repeat but it certainly does rhyme.
I love the quality of these videos and i think it will always impress me
europe.au I agree they are great quality, love these videos
Look at that raytracing
One of most fun Squarespace ads I've seen on youtube. Well done.
My father was on a DC10 flight in the 70s where the cargo door blew out on take off. Nothing major happened and they just turned aroung and landed, but it definitely scared the hell out of him!
The video is 10:30 mins long, DC-10-30
Anton Aguilera
Good call, buddy!
Coinicidence?
I
Think
Not!
Not a single percent quincidense at all here
@Penka Genova and @DumbAnimator I hate to be that person on the web correcting minor errors, but I just thought you should know it's spelled "coincidence". Also, great job spotting that little Easter egg with the video's length! I love this channel!
Dun dun dun, conspiracy theory!
Alternative names for the DC10: Death Contraption 10, Death Cruiser 10, Daily Crash 10, Donald's Disaster, Crowd Killer
Underrated comment!
While I don't necessarily agree, you forgot "Deadly Coffin", "Disastrous Calamity" and "Destructive Catastrophe".
Dc10- 1200 deaths b737 5500 deaths
Death carriage 10. MD then followed up with mega death 11
Crowd killer, a title shared by the ford mustang
I was 19 and flew dc10 laker airways to California from England first trip with friends we ended up staying several weeks longer due to that awful crash and the grounding of all 10s
Great video
Today it has got a worthy successor with the 737 Max, which even loses doors during flight like once the DC-10
Concorde: amazing miracle plane with sst
DC-10: I’m gonna ruin this man’s career
@John S a concorde crashed in 2000 because it run over a metal strip wich fell off of a dc10 directly starting before the concorde. causing the tire to explode and rupture one turbine.
It's like saying your son killed your father but actually the person driving the son's car is a person you never met but you actually blamed it on the son because he owned the car lol
It sucks that the Concorde basically died because of one accident that was a caused by a DC-10, not the Concorde itself.
@@TORchic1 Concorde was dieing before this incident happened due to the environment hazards it has and the price of the fuel is pricey
@@shapman280 no it never caused problems to the environment
I didn't subscribe at first because I thought you were just another Vox clone with a team of writers and editors because of the production quality.
After learning that you are, pretty much, just *you* I have to say holy shit.
Maybe I'm missing something, but is there something fundamentally wrong with having a writing team and multiple editors?
@@matthewducote8442 it kinda takes away the touch you know , like a corporation and an independent man having comparable production quality is a big thing
plus what even is the name 'mustard'
Pretty up to par with other channels with the same sort of content, really.
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I remember traveling on DC-10s in the late 80’s, early 90’s and that was a great plane.
As a child I flew on the DC10 many times visiting my dad in New York Big plane I loved it
Quality of the mustard is off the charts! Love this channel
Great job Gabe, and thanks!
Source?
Phillip Habsburg How, may I ask, do you know about this? And how do we know it is true?
Have I just been accused of molesting a small child?
'tis a troll in our midst
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 Phillip Habsburg approves of Incest
Flew on the DC-10 hundreds of times. Loved sleeping in the middle section on redeyes. FedEx still flies DC 10 and MD 11.
That was the smoothest transiction to a sponsor I have ever seen. So good.
At the time of the engine-mount failure my father worked for Western Airlines as a mechanic. They had DC-10s as part of the fleet and my father was trained to do all maintenance on them. The ultimate finding was that American was using forklifts and sledgehammers to mount engines, which caused the cracks and ultimately, the failure of the engine mounts. Western's DC-10s were grounded and checked for cracks along with all others. No problems were found in Western's fleet because they followed the manufacturer's recommendations.
Shit. Throw in some duct tape and WD-40 and you'll have a nice Jerry rigged plane.
Yep. Some lazy idiot killed hundreds and ruined a plane’s reputation because he wanted to save a couple hours.
@Dominique Hardie
Thanks for that. He actually worked in Denver in 1981 so that is definitely true.
The aircraft should have been able to fly with one engine out (or in this case, off), but as the engine separated and rotated up and over the wing (still burning and thrusting residual fuel), it severed all three wing hydraulic systems mounted on the front spar of the wing, causing the wing flaps to retract on the one side, rendering the airplane uncontrollable.
The same problem caused several other DC10 crashes, including Sioux City and in Paris, where the lounge piano got sucked thru the floor when the aft cargo hatch blew open. In both cases, all three hydraulic system lines were severed, rendering the airplane uncontrollable. Routing tubes is not rocket science, but it does take some though to their placement and proximity.
What you said was true
And already documented in nat geo air crash investigations
Its horrible not to follow procedures just to save a couple hundred dollars and 2 hours time
What are they thinking at that time?
Messing around with passanger life
I love this plane. I remember seeing it all the time as a kid and loved how it had the third engine in the tail. such a pretty plane
Did Boeing learn or not learn from this in building the Max is the question
“Dc 10 more like DC death!” Actual quote by Freddie Mercury
747's 26 fatal crash, DC-10 15 fatal crash, L-1011 5 fatal crash Death whom? Many more have died on 747's L-1011's were the best wide body. DC-10 only 2nd best.
@@slowpoke3102 Well, what you need to consider is that as of now, despite the DC-10 selling almost double the L-1011, it's got triple the crashes. So it's not a completely unfounded statement. And besides, 26 fatal crashes for over 1500 aircraft isn't shoddy for the 747...
Designed to Crash -10
@@adamp.3739 :? ? ? You Know what? huh? On the record from FAA 2 crashes due to design flaws, Boink, 747 & 737, many more each per model, and tons of good press? Sounds political, not factual. Boink & LM have many complaints of kickbacks also. We could go back to the C-5A the original wide body. So many design flaws Douglas helped Lockheed (at the time) redesign the bad portions to stop military from dropping the project. Look at the Thank You LM gave MD back. Both LM & Boink known for low friends in high places. Could talk about this subject for hours, but. . . Look up the founder of Douglas which came later in the existence of the multinational corps. See where all the branches of the company went after the forced break up.
That guy was a queen
I waited for this since the L1011 Video
Me to
Ditto
Bittoo
Saw a short from another channel showing clips about the DC-10, glad i decided to look up more about it. Great video
Love the md 11 would fly on one in a heartbeat, also you can always identify a md 11 with it’s signature look
You just keep getting better. Man! Keep it up
Here for the Boeing 737 MAX comments and i was not disappointed
The 737 Max 8 has crashed twice as the DC-10 has had 55 Accidents and Incidents, 32 Hull-Loss accidents with 1,261 fatalities, 9 Hijackings and a Bombing with a loss of 170. How dangerous is the 737 Max Again?
Same
@@nimrod9524 did you really included hijacks and bombings on your list?
Yes, because the 737 MAX had none, showing that it hasn’t had the scrutiny of The DC-10.
@@nimrod9524 How many years DC 10 fly and how many months 737 max fly , then imagine if 737 max has the same fly years as DC 10
The Erebus disaster was a shock to us 6 months after O'Hare. While the DC-10 itself was not faulted the event resulted in the aircraft being replaced by Air New Zealand for B 747 aircraft.
Erebus' cause remains a subject of debate. Some say the crew where responsible, the final Chippendale report blamed Air New Zealand officials for altering the flight path and refusing to tell the crew. In any case the NZ government was considering replacing the DC10s before Erebus occured
I worked on the DC 10 a few times and loved it. I also flew on the MD 11, another awesome plane. I believe that the DC 10 is still flying with TAB airlines as of 2023. There are also over a 100 MD 11s flying cargo around the world.
Retired AA F/A here... lost hydraulics, ability to lower flaps/brake but was still an awesome bird & loved the 2 elevators/lower galley (crew hideout)!
No F/A that worked the DC-10 would call the " P&C " lift ...elevators...😁 " P " for Personal, and "C" for Cart...
Worked on them for 8 months in my day.
DC-10: I’m so dangerous
737 MAX8: Hold my mcas files
Very gòod scary bit they knew about faults did nothing
I worked at bae systems we also built airbus wings some of the stuff that went on was ludicrus
DH 106 Comet: raining down in little bits
Bruh u know how many people the DC-10 killed compared to the 737 max? U sound dumb
The DC-10 killed a lot mor people than the 737 max 8
@@isak8386 The DC-10 was also in service much longer, and was a bigger airplane carrying more people.
Flew it for ten years. Loved it.
I flew two times from Amsterdam to Edmonton in Alberta Canada
The view above Greenland was awesome
Remember the moisture in the cabin during the flight
I'm a simple man. I see a mustard video, I hit like.
+10000. Damnit, I was thinking the exact same line!
I agree... it's an automatic response because of the high quality content.
James Smith cool plane, I love it. I've always loved the DC-10, and I live under the approach path of an airport and I see DC-10s and MD-11s every other day. I think they're gorgeous and badass, but they have a terrible reputation. I agree with pretty much everything said in the video.
@James Smith what
Jarod Kelly oh i thought you gonna put it on your hotdog instead you watching it great jarod now go to mental hospital right now honey!!!
these videos just keep getting better even tho you wouldn't think they could. this is amazing. even the ad read was brilliant
There were two models of the DC 10, the DC 10 10 and DC 10 30.
I flew the DC 10 30 for countless hours on UTA and always a smooth and safe flight. The DC 10 was a wonderful plane!
I had flown up and down the big blue Pacific many times in DC10's over the years and nothing but clear sky's and little sleep was all I ever experienced.
I worked at the at the TV station for some years and not a single program had this level of graphics and storytelling in it. well done and very much appreciated 🙏
DC 10 crashes multiple times
MD 11 launches
McDonald Douglas: the MD 11 once again sets the standard for air travel
Hunter Heath, except the MD-11 was actually a great plane right from the start.
@@theglitch312 Not to mention they're still flying to this day albeit mostly cargo versions, but they are great for even being 20-30 years old.
@@theglitch312 WTF are you smoking? it has a worse track record than the DC-10
That made me laugh, good one mate 🤣
The MD-11 has a great cockpit that was extremely advanced for its time. But everything behind the cockpit door is recycled DC-10 garbage, just made bigger. McDonnell Douglas built them strong, not smart.
Signed: An MD-11 mechanic now and probably for many years to come.
My dad used to tell me about these planes. He told me he would absolutely refuse to get on one. In my local airport there used to be a bunch of abandoned ones all over the place just left to rot until they were dismantled a couple years ago
Unsurprising as the last passenger dc10s were retired years ago, and the manufacturer was acquired by Boeing in 1997. Also, 3 engine aircraft have been out of service for years, including the the 727, and the DC-10's competitor, the L1011.
Thanx for the cool video ..me personally I love the DC 10 but I love the MD 11 more..I'm surprised the DC 10 was able to recover from the 70s but I'm glad it did and also I love how u went into the sponsor at the end, makes me want to use it right now
Before: DC-10 is dangerous aircraft
Now: B737 MAX 8 is new dangerous aircraft
And you know what's ironic, the company responsible for DC10 was merged with Boeing . There seems to be a pattern here.
I literally flew on the MAX 8 last Saturday. A day before the second horrific crash.
The new and modern death cruiser
Yeah I won't trust any american plane manufacturer from now on
i think they are saying that its likely a auto pilot error causing the aircraft to stall without warning
I'll never forget after the Potomac River crash in DC, watching the television show "That's Incredible".
One of the hosts asked a man in the audience, "What's the last place you'd want to be right now?"
"On a DC-10", said the guy, smiling, without even blinking.
Everybody got it. The audience cascaded into laughter.
I was seven years old, and *I* got it.
That was a boeing 737 not a dc 10 that crashed in the Potomac
At least some got off the 737, unlike DC 10's when so often so many did not get off.
@@barrierodliffe4155 the only deadly crash that was attributed to the dc 10s design was turkish air 981, the rest werent the planes fault.
Not the planes fault that it crashed after an engine failed or when an engine fell off, that is a stretch. The bad design of the cargo door that failed at least 3 times and just luck that no one was killed apart from the Turkish airlines crash. The badly designed hydraulics that failed causing the fatal crash when the engine fell off and the crash at Sioux City when the rear engine failed.
@@barrierodliffe4155 the aa 191 crash where the engine fell off was faulty maintenance, the maintenance crew took a short cut putting the engine back on. Not the planes fault, the sioux city disaster was an engine malfunction, not the planes fault.
The funny thing is, I flew on the DC10, as well as the L1011, by Douglas and Lockheed resp. They were the two best flights I'd ever had with stability like a ship on a calm sea. Now they're both gone. The DC10 was done in by the superior market power of Boeing and the failure to ensure the ground maintenance of the crucial engine pods, which resulted in many problems thereafter...
7:30 I can rephrase this sentence, but with Boeing and the MAX:
"While the Lion Air and Ethiopian disasters were a PR nightmare for Boeing, it's the 2024 door plug incident and subsequent revelations that really seemed to crystallize the 737 MAX (and Boeing)'s reputation.