2016 Ford F 150 Roush 5.0 - Service Charging System - P0620
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- Опубликовано: 19 мар 2024
- In this video I bring you along for part of the diag on this 2016 Ford F 150 Roush 5.0na. The customer brought it in with a concern that the service charging system light was on although they replaced the battery and the alternator. After confirming the cause of the issue I recalled Ivan did a video on a similar problem with the same truck! Lets have a look shall we...
-Enjoy!
Ivan's Video: • Ford Battery DEAD...in...
Phil's Video: • 2016 Ford F150 P0620 a... 
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*Be sure to have a look at Ivan and Phil's videos they both did with similar issues!*
Ivan's Video: ruclips.net/video/25KiQ-J-Z-s/видео.htmlsi=YawRuHMQGh6jMVIp
Phil's Video: ruclips.net/video/OL9bXxvTZkw/видео.htmlsi=-4SK0MztveEp-Ro-
appreciate mentioning Phil, hes a great tech amd great friend, his channel is well worth subscribing too!
I would put him at your level Eric and also Ivans!
Hope to see you at TST big event!
@@jordanboulay3780 yes i watch phil he has great video
Not only does kinking the wire stop the flow of electrons, but holes, cracks, splits, and tears can cause an infection.... Identifiable by the green puss.
I watch Phillip too and he also knows his stuff.
No reason to waste a bunch of time rediscovering something someone else has already spent a bunch of time to find. Kudos for giving everyone their credit.
Awesome video Eric, thanks for the shout out! In my opinion this is where the industry is headed... People using resources like RUclips and Google to diagnose and repair things. Just had the most atrocious experience at an Audi dealership that was supposed to calibrate an air suspension for one of my customers cars. Needless to say they handed me a $620 bill and told me the compressor was broken when I had it running right before dropping the car off 🤬
Hopefully we can change this broken industry for the better! 😉💪
Oh and thumbs down for the butt connectors 👎👎😆😜
Ivan, curious why you haven't verified your channel so you get the checkmark next to your name? 😁
Dealerships have the luxury of having a private nationwide network to pool their knowledge and resources. Independent repair shops dont have that available, so we rely on our own network of fellow wrench turners and of course the internet.
FYI I think Diagnose Dan did the best Ivan shout out.
@@steadyeddie7453 dealerships usually train their techs to be mindless robots and follow the "master diagnostic plan" aka flowchart 😝😝😝
I had a similar problem with my fuel pump relay getting voltage but no amperage... Like you, I went to YT, found someone else who had the same problem... Found a common failure point and had it fixed in 40 mins. YT is a great resource thanks to creators like you.
You Tube is a great source for repairs, auto and others.
I found a South Main Auto video that shows how to check the transmission fluid in our handicap van. 30 seconds of work vs a several hundred dollar tool that you can only get from the dealer.
Waiting for Mr O. To realize the vastness of the researchable how-to database that he’s created with the SMA archive.
If you are pondering if there is value to ‘another dumb brake job’ …. Yes. Not only do you always entertain but you provide a correct how-to roadmap for someone in the future. SMA is an impressive collection of work. Well done !
Agree. Now we need some twist in calipers, electric calipers and parking brake videos
I wonder if any fan has ever created a database/spreadsheet of repairs and models?
@John_Ridley I think scanner Danner has something like that.
Phillip Bailey, who knew he was so multi-talented. He fixes cars AND he sang Easy Lover with Phil Collins!
Multi talented.😂
Some say that he even sang in some band called Earth, Wind and Fire.
Ah, before my time. And not my genre. But points awarded anyway!
Mr. O: "Two dongers, one hole, that should be a movie." You just know McCoy is going to be sharing that with his buddies! 🤣
It is, on Youporn,
im fairly certain there have been many movies made on that subject.
Search for it on the google
Lots of movies! 🍿
2 holes 3 fingers😊😂
Phillip Bailey was my electrical teacher in trade school, incredible teacher, very good with the electrical gremlins.
We haven't had a good whiteboard explanation in a while. I feel educated this morning!
I remember when we pushed oscopes around on a cart. Nice display on that one. That’s also why we watch these videos, to catch the tips.
I work on semiconductor manufacturing equipment. We still push the o-scope-on-a-cart around. 😅
And I was impressed with the "thin" $300 tektronix copy I got a decade ago 🤣
@@iflifewaseasy And now they are credit card size.
Oooo, Eric! The money shot (14:15) was literally exciting! Watching the green crusties crumble slowly, the "wire" stretch unnaturally, and insulation part with a satisfying snap was cinematic! That's a YT Short for sure!
Great to hear McCoy is still on the starship!
He seems to like working with this enterprise😅.
Sounds like he was killing the captains chair lol
Well I think Ford should check out who the heck is making her wiring harnesses and give them a strong worded email...😂
He's a mechanic, NOT A DOCTOR 😷
the trans line bracket was the cause . 2 different engineering depts not talking to each other.@@MoeLarrycurly1
I rarely work on Ford's but I'll tuck this one away in the ol' memory module just in case. I can't tell you how much I've altered my troubleshooting strategy after watching your videos. I learned a lot about circuit chasing from aircraft mechanic school and working as an A&P but vehicles are a next level of complexity and the way you explain things really helps when I'm looking for green electrons running in red wires.
Another great video! You Have inspired me to “If You can do it, I can do it”. After having liquid springs suspension on my Entegra Vision XL (Ford F-53 chassis) in Jan 23, I began to have intermittent ABS issues and would lose cruise control. As my rig was less than a year old, I attempted to get an appointment with a Ford dealer to get it diagnosed and fixed. No Ford dealer within a 250 mile radius would take in (we don’t work on RVs or we have too much work or we don’t have a lift). I even tried calling truck repair shops with the same results. A week ago I finally got a local dealer to hook up to the obd and it was the right rear sensor. They said they couldn’t get it into the shop for over a month, repeating all of their limitation woes. Now that I knew what was wrong, I took it home and removed the sensor and found that the sensor wire had been broken and a crappy repair done to it (I think the guys that installed my $22k suspension must have done it.). I ordered the part from Ford just now and will have it tomorrow. THANK YOU FOR THE INSPIRATION! Your videos are entertaining and educational.
As a 40 year electrican you have described in my experience is a “ghost voltage”. Old analog show them better then digital meters. Corrosion, a conductor burnt into 2 peace’s but laying in moisture creates it in my experience. Excellent job in explaining it.
A lot of modern digital meters have a "Low Z" mode to simulate the old analog meters. For those who need that. Fluke 115/116/117 for example.
1975 f250 highboy, 3 fuses, 2 wires,,no probs..ausie.. s/duty with a 4.2tdi mwm sprint, german tractor engine, built in brazil. sold world wide, except u.s.. 700nm, 180 kw. no computer..8 yrs no probs, 280ks..97 - 06,ish, then went common rail.. mwm, huge company..
Simpson 260 would never let you down
@@johnl774 I just bought a Simpson 260 at a thrift store for $7 still in it's original packaging. Whoever owned it must have prized it, battery terminals are in pristine condition. One D cell battery and one 9V battery.
Are you sure it's a ghost voltage and not high resistance voltage drop caused by the corrosion? He stated the wire wasn't broken, bust highly corroded based on where he probed the wire from PCM to generator. I would say in this case this isn't a ghost voltage and I thought those were mainly related to AC circuits, not DC?
RUclips saves the day once again. That's the sort of small little thing that would normally have the owner and techs pulling their hair out for many weeks, and on a new enough vehicle have people droppin the "lemon" word a lot
It took me a long time to get past the sticker distraction of foremost expert on all topics, Scotty Kilmer, but I’m glad I stayed!
i tried to watch SK once didn't make it through the video.
I think it's great the you took on a kid to train. I went to a VO-Tech in high school and was well paid through to retirement. During Highschool I was able to work at a college for a half day , getting paid, and then a half day of school to get credits to graduate. I never had any regrets. I watched fellow school-mates go to college wasting their time and money only to go to trade school after. I had no problem getting a job after I graduated and guess what, NO tuition bills. Good for the kid and thanks for taking the time and patients for training , I would think the best he'll every get, in real world work. Also when I did any training I found out how smart or dumb I was, you can't be a bullshitter when training others and I actually learned more. Good Day mate !
Same here...graduated from VOtech college with a diploma. Not a degree😅😅
But with common sense.
I worked in the automotive field for a few years. Then worked in the E to electrical industry. Or power plant as an Control room Operator for 32 yrs and retired.
Through the years. I still put my college years to use. I went from test lights. Bought scanners. Tools. I never considered myself a Technician/qualified/Master/ECT ECT .
I am still an automotive mechanic.
Just yesterday I finished installing a clutch and other work on my neighbor 90 Bronco.
Looks like someone was chasing the clutch issues and finally got rid of the problems.
Now I'm working on another vehicle of mine.
I finally bought a scope because of Mr. O and Ivan. 😅😅
Cheers
vo-tech was great way to check out of you truly liked something enough to make a career out of it.
Same here 77 grad of the auto mechanic's department. Took about 6 months of working on the line to find out I hated it, when I had to do it every day. Went back into construction, started my own company, and semi retired at 40. :) The auto degree saved me a ton of money, over the years, being able to fix my own equipment. Never regretted it, and darned sure never regretted not going to collage. Still not 100% sure what I used in real life that I learned in high school ? LOL
77 was a good year !
@@griffinreitz7041
Philip Bailey is close to me way up north in the green crusty circle. Love his videos. Very underrated channel.
Today's automotive systems are very complicated however you have a unique knack on how to explain them so that those in the lower end of the bell curve with me can understand how things operate and even better yet, how to test them. Rare skill. Glad you're sharing with us.
The only thing that would have made this excellent video even better would have been a cameo by Mrs. O.
ERIC O!!! We need another Pine Hollow South Main collab. It’s what the universe needs for us to heal and come together as one. Save the earth Eric and call Ivan! Be a hero, a hero not sponsored by Napa, but a hero none the less!
Heck yeah, some exclusive late night SMA!
Eric
I know you don’t seem to care for resistance testing, I recall you saying that it is “ useless” but in this case I would think ohming out that wire would have shown an issue immediately.
I worked 42 years in telco and the lowly ohms test solved many miles of wiring issues. I think it is a quick tool if there is no ground leak or foreign voltage present. But then again… you are the man on car circuit testing.
This is a very rare case where we could have seen the resistance with an ohm meter you are correct but 99% of the time in the auto industry is really is a worthless tool :)
These wiring harness rubbing issues are more common than you think. We just went through a stop sale recall for a wiring harness rubbing through in the left dash area. Installing a plastic bumper on a metal dash frame edge solved the problem. Building a problem free vehicle is impossible. That's why guys like eric are worth their weight in gold. Nice job.
"CAUTION: DON"T KINK THE WIRE, it'll stop the flow of electricity"...Yo got a chuckle out of me! Greetings from the Old Jarhead in WNC
Master O knows more than he lets on...
The pause for effect right after that made it even funnier.
I never knew! I’m gonna have to go back and unkink a bunch of wires!
Kink the wire sharp enough and you will indeed stop the flow.
Those steps are in a class of their own 😃
Excellent Video! School is IN at SMA! Thanks to Eric, Ivan and Phillip! The Skills that pay the Bills!
I need a money shot compilation! Great vid.
Another great video. I think you might have missed your true calling Mr. O, you would have been a great teacher, you are a great teacher. I am always learning some neat new trick for diagnostics or just general repair on here.
Ivan as always speaks highly of you, today you were named twice. Why wouldn’t he, everyone looks at you positively.
Great resource to have you and Ivan sharing, thankyou again!❤
Have loads of respect for mechanics that work week in, week out on electrical and mechanical issues, I'm a DIY mechanic myself, whenever I'm going to tackle a job on my car (Mazda RX8) (or a friend's) my first thing to do is search RUclips for associated videos, on my drive I've swapped the front subframe, the clutch, radiator(not as easy as most cars as it's almost a V mount) suspension arms front and back to name but a few items. Always look to see if someone else has done it and get your eye in first is what I'm saying.
Keep up the good work.
Love that you are teaching McCoy.❤❤❤
It's great how you and Ivan openly share each others discoveries !!!
I worked auto ac out here in san diego starting in 1974 and really appreciate seeing a common skill .They used to call me a wire wiggling SOB in my day . i found the things that break are the things that move!
This is why I watch your videos and Ivans vids
Great to see you guys working together. You're the aces of car repair.
Another tricky yet thorough electrical debug...great job!
Love the process you always use to find the issues!
Thank you Eric, I love learning these common failure sources and repairs. Great job.
The wisdom ... so important. Thank you, as always, for sharing it Eric.
I do AC Electrical work and have gotten some crazy readings on shorted and corroded wires and circuits under houses etc. and it blows your mind that breakers didn’t kick out
In the telecom world, we call that wire a "high resistance open". Causes all sorts of mayhem. Good catch!
You find these in the old air core (water cooled) cable.
The times of using a Hayne's manual are gone. The first thing I do with any car issue is check the internet. Cars have gotten much more complicated. Thank you, Eric O and Ivan, for producing these videos.
motors manual OOOOh that dates me LOL
Just remember folks, if Phil can do it, Ivan can do it, and I can do it, you can too!
Thanks Mr O!
Eric O, As always fantastic informational video. Keep up the great work.
Yesterday was a bad day for me as all I had to do was replace an oil pressure sensor. First it was the little red lock was on top of the connector and had to be pulled out like a nail, got it out. Second was the connector was so tight to remove from the sensor, got it apart. After removing the sensor and putting in the new sensor I tried to install the connector with no avail. Removed the sensor and found out that the electrode was out of alignment, fixed that. I put the connector back on the sensor and it went on, job done. All that just reminded me of how much I used to like being a mechanic in the past. I've done this for 42 yrs and I have not seen connectors fall off sensors ever that they need a lock on them. Good job.
Great diagnostic and repair, Eric! I remember Ivan's video. It's not cheating if you can get to the fault faster - no need to reinvent the wheel each time - that's the beauty of shared experience!
Great video! Whether using hints from others or exploring on your own, Eric you never cease to amaze me with your diagnostic skills. Thanks for sharing!
Hi Eric & McCoy, Information isn't cheating and neither is knowledge! You have outstanding diagnostic ability Eric , you fix them all buddy, nice job!!
Looks like you were able to catch decent copper for the crimp without going too far back in the wire, the "green growth" likes to travel. Interesting as always Eric, thanks.
Man I wish we had someone like you down here in Lafayette, Louisiana! Love that you take time to teach and find problems and do them correct! Keep it up.
Interesting having the alternator called a generator in the manual . Since generators are far different than alternators doing the same job making power for the battery. Having said that this is a very good video on what the thing is and is not doing . Fine approach to fixing the problem a great teaching aid. Bravo.
It's good to watch others RUclips for the same kind of problems you have and try to remember it to. Thanks for the video
Thanks for taking the time to show the compromised wire's power loss and proper alternator command signals. Very informative.
I have learned a lot by watching your videos. Thanks bunches!
A good mechanic and a great mechanic are determined by retention of mistakes from the past or accomplishments through one’s journey
A damaged/broken wire. This particular wire seems to be a common problem, maybe because of the bracket? Bad engineering design?
Good fix Mr. O. Battery should be happier now.
I remember when Ivan had that damaged wire. That You Tube resource was a BIG help!
Probably the owner damaged the wiring
@@2nickles647All three times?
@@2nickles647 One occurence is an accident. Two are a trend. Three are a problem - a design problem.
those are the only 3 we know of many more for sure.@@milantrcka121
Even youtubers watch you tube to learn how to fix stuff. That's beautiful. Kudos for sharing the other fellows videos as well.
Also, sometimes I'm on another screen listening to you work and I'm like, "wait... Did he just start a couch casting video?" LOL
Brilliant deduction work 👍
Hey Eric, now you know how many of us DIYers survive: RUclips!! And that's how we found the "real thing" in guys like you and Ivan. Thanks for all of us who have learned so much from all you guys. Wish I could be a fraction that helpful to someone else, but I'm just a computer nerd 😂.
What a tribute to the diagnosticians of the internet and RUclips. You and Ivan are regulars on my list I need to find Phillips video. You, Ivan and a few others give us hope that there are talented, honest , knowledgeable mechanics looking out for us. Great video and the humility to mention the other guys and give them credit.
Eric O..giving credit..but again the diagnosis was awesome. This helps even with any tracing of wires for faults. Thank you sir.
McCoy Is a lucky young man to have you as a mentor and being able to learn the art of deductive reasoning and diagnostics from one of the best. My grandfather taught me and I have used it throughout my engineering career and I am still learning. So thank you for today’s lesson!
RUclips if used in the right way is a terrific resource of information. Some bad, mostly good. The South Main Auto channel is one of the best. Thanks Mr. O,
Never a long video from you Eric. Thanks for all you do bud. 👍👍👍👍👍
what an education McCoy is getting working at your shop. I know it must be a little difficult to be working, teaching, and doing the RUclips but we are so grateful for the videos. Sending nothing but good mojo from San Antonio Texas.
Eric O when you retire you would be a great shop teacher period!!! you show exactly how to get it done your knowledge is something definitely a master/general 5 star technician!!!!
My first job as an electronics technician was repairing test equipment. The equipment used teflon coated wire in cables of up to 100 wires. All of the wires were white, the only color of Teflon insulation available at that time. Teflon insulation was used for high temperature properties. The primary failure mode was broken wire caused by flexing of the cables near the connectors. All connections were soldered with heat shrink covering them. Teflon wire strands are coated in silver prior to applying the insulation, otherwise the copper wire will degrade during the manufacturing of the wire. That presents a unique problem, solder will wick up the wire under the insulation and makes the stranded wire rigid near the solder joints. The wire would break under the insulation. I did a lot of gently pulling wires to find the break. No green crusties. Eric's skills are top notch and using a light bulb as a load is exceptional!
Just goes to show you that we can learn from others because of their experiences. We learn a lot from you because of your expertise & your experience. Keep them coming Eric, you're still the man!
Maybe some WD-40 on that stool will take care of that ASMR.
😂
It's time to toss that damn thing. As close as I've ever come to stop watching and I'm one that loves Eric's video. 😊😊
The stool has been in videos for years. Don't fix it, don't get rid of it. It's like a minor cast member now.
no way, that's a harbor freight special, its part of the O family like Luna. I have the same stool, I was on and off it all afternoon today. The creak is the aluminium threatening to collapse but it never does. priceless.
Thank you for all the work you put into your videos.
Philip Bailey is close to me way up north in the green crusty circle. Love his videos. Very underrated channel.
You're an honest man Eric O! It will make you sleep better at night, as you already know. Yes I did see Ivan's video a while ago also and it was seen by the Ford dealer also. They should of did a TSB on that poor wiring already.
Poor wiring? Poor Engineering. ? Or just age. There are no perfect vehicles that exist with problems. We find owners who don't give a crap about basic services. The vehicle breaks down and blame poor Engineering. 😅😅
@@2nickles647im curious as to how maintenance would have prevented bad placement of a bracket? It was a poorly engineered part
Love it when creators give props to others. So much better than all of these experts trashing others. Appreciate your videos. Forgive me for not thanking you more for your work
As always a good diagnosis and repair. Great job Mister "O".
I've learned so much from you, Ivan, Jake, Matt, and so many others it isn't even funny. I've been spinning wrenches for over forty years and I'm still learning. Thank you very much for the invaluable education.
Always enjoy watching your troubleshooting videos, thanks for sharing…stay blessed
Something about finding any electrical solution is so satisfying, especially wiring 🥳🥳🥳
Good on you Eric for once again achieving the improbable and finding the green crusties. I'm honestly astonished every time how you find the exact spot where the wire's broken. ✌
Just subscribed Eric O. You’re the man! Your channel is now 1 of only 3 subs I have.
Between Eric, Ivan, Keith, and Mr. Danner, I did my first relative compression test with my scope and a low amp clamp the other day. I'm just a DIY'r, no way would I have figured it out without the knowledge shared by these fine gentleman.
This thorough explanation was very informative and well presented. RUclips is certainly a helpful resource, when you can find that someone has diagnosed something very similar to what you are diagnosing. And I like the whiteboard, with Scotty in the upper left corner. It was very professional of you to not break into a Scotty impersonation while you were at the white board.
Just want to let you know, I'm on my feet and applauding. What a fantastic find and fix.
Credit to the other two gentlemen as well!
Thank you I am going and check my ford 2014 truck thanks Phill ,Ivan and you great video
Eric, now you know how *we* feel. You found the fix on RUclips, and all of us here in viewer land have had that same feeling thanks to *your* videos so many times.
Good video! Education and some chuckles, with the ever present reminder of green crusties and air gaps.
Great to see a Ivan type video
McCoy shadowing you and learning a whole new vocabulary! Awsome video man.
The money shot, it doesn't look like salt. Thank you to all the providers. I have fixed my truck and the main battery in my 06 Prius from watching RUclips.
This video shows you working smarter not harder. Great video
Great video. Like the way that you and Ivan always give credit where credit is due!
Eric O.: "We can back probe this and we can see what the signal is on a known good, that way you can put that in your memory bank. Me: "Yeah, right. I can't even remember what I had for breakfast!" 🤣
Or if i had breakfast! LOL Aging and not gracefully.
Great class session today Eric. Thanks!
Eric awesome job thank you for all the great content and troubleshooting techniques
That was an impressive repair. I had trouble keeping up. I watched the vid for as long as I could but those creaking noises eventually drove me away.
Brother, let me inform you of this, as a retired mechanic I still impressed on your troubleshooting skills. Yes in todays environment it takes more than a manual to track the problems and yes, You Tube, the internet are great tools to look into your problems. You keep em coming and I will continue to rat hole what I observe, thank you.
Thanks for the video Eric.... Love your wit and you give credit where it is due... GREAT JOB!!!
Thanks for the explanations about how the computer controls the alternator output!
great explanations on ,who what,why, when,were.
Lots of guys would have just fixed it and took full credit. Not you. You have to be honest, forthright, and forward about things. Fantastic. You are the man. Fantastic Video!
Pretty awesome find! I used pine hollow and your old video to diag and repair a corroded wire in my 07 Expedition in the same spot
Eric, you're frickin' awesome as always !!!