The size/scale/proportion changes are a direct reflection of Games Workshop's changes with the newer versions of these models. The sculpts that JT use are just scaled up from GW's digital files by a certain specifc %, and so GW's newer figures being larger results in JT's newer figures being larger.
Exactly! JoyToy is beholden to GW on all things related to the license, the sizes are GW, all figures are given final approval by GW…people don’t understand this simple concept
The simple thing for collecting is exactly the same as tabletop, the smaller ones are just Firstborn and per the lore should be smaller anyway. All the newer models releasing are Primaris, thus will be bigger than any Firstborn, GKs are the best example as none of them are Primaris and will be shorter. Custodes are still bigger than both as it should be
the weird thing is the heavy intercessor in gravis armor or the apothecary biologist are suppose to be the same as the primaries terminators the proportion is perfect sad it's so big dante will be a mess if they make the primaries bigger
It’s not just the terminators that suffer from this issue. The regular marines are getting bigger as well, especially the rerun of the bladeguard. 2nd generation marines already had trouble fitting inside of the atv and the 3rd gen and bladeguard are bigger so it’s very unlikely that they would fit unless they upscale the vehicles. The terminator size is even more ridiculous if you compare the mini versions of an intercessor and a 10th edition terminator, they are a lot closer in size than these massive ones. Sorry for the long post, but I am really annoyed by this.
I guess it matches what GW did with the miniatures. The Leviathan box terminators were notably taller than the previous terminators. Is it supposed to be the new scale for all JoyToy figures? Not sure. How is the scale compared to the Primarchs?
Another thing to add is for a Terminator they feel way to small not mention the older one legs look too skinny along with them being to weak to support the large upper body i dont like the look of it.
I dont really mind them being it bigger it doesn't really bother me as other people plus im pretty sure there's a reason to why they are bigger all though some of the do look weird proportion wise
Yeah this is an issue for me too. As you say, new proportion is great, new size...looks great... but completely mismatches previous figures. If the previous (V2) Terminators had come out 4 or 5 years ago that'd be different, but I feel like those BA and UM squads came out maybe a year or so ago, and now they are obsolete! It's irritating, but again as you say, there's not much we can do about it. I'd rather not sell mine, but they look silly compared to the new ones now.... Good review!
@@drew3493 I mean, 1/18 means a normal human is about 3.75" tall. The standard Astartes have to be a good bit bigger than that, and Terminators even bigger still. I think they will be capped by the Primarchs though, because they need to be the tallest guys, basically by definition, and a 1/12 Astartes would be like 8 inches tall.
Libararian in terminator armour should be the same size as the standard terminator, it is the same armour, just the librarian uses psych powers so his armour is all glowy. I guess the old derpy looking one is a first born and the new ones are primaris. But the old one looks horrible. The imperialis looks cheap. New ones are so much nicer.
If it isnt part of the mechanicum in some way shape or form and its taller than my Grey Knight Terminators then I guess i cant get it. All others have to be robotic or smaller. Guess thats why I have Sororitas.
Now you see! Space Marines can’t fight in a world made for a 6 foot man. When we “The Australian Army” where making the IMV the African version was to small inside. Which was a joke about the Boars shrinking. It’s a fact of life..my mate “Chop” never fitted in 113s or choppers. And he was 6,5 feet.
La verdad es que mejor quedarse uno von lo que te ponen. Fallo de mo haver esperado al katufa otra vez sera. Hoy almenos he fimado . Mañana sera otro dia anal.
I appreciate your perspective. This issue affects many of us who have invested significantly in building a collection, often amassing numerous figures. Joytoy releasing figures in different scales disrupts our collections and undermines the effort and money we've put into them. For model makers like myself, who create custom scratch-built models to enhance our collections, this shift is particularly frustrating.
This is why I had to quit Joy Toy, I can’t stand the constant revisions and changes to figures. 1.0 intercessors were great, 2.0 sucked, and 3.0 were decent. Now they’re changing terminators and I don’t know what to buy without getting frustrated due to scaling issues.
@@ac-studio Why can't they give us the new proportions and upgrades but keep the scale?
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terminator armor is bigger then ordinary armor this is lore accurate only gravis armor is close too terminator armor and anyway the terminator armor is bigger and more armored
Im a collector have 60 action figures of Joytoy, and i ill not buy the New terminators because of this problem of size creep, already have the old ones and um happy with then. I dont need the new terminators.
Like I mentioned in the last video, it's because the figures are basically direct copies from the original GW models. The 2 models compared in the video have a 20-year gap. The more recent terminator models released in the last 5 years were not scaled that drastically different. Based on the releases, it's likely unfortunately JoyToy didn't have the new Levithan terminators models yet when they made the original terminators. As another commenter mentioned in the last video, you could technically call the older terminators Firstborn and the new terminators Primaris but that then throws the scale all out of whack now for the normal Primaris marines.
The size/scale/proportion changes are a direct reflection of Games Workshop's changes with the newer versions of these models. The sculpts that JT use are just scaled up from GW's digital files by a certain specifc %, and so GW's newer figures being larger results in JT's newer figures being larger.
Yeah I think so... so I am selling the terminators to replace with new...
Exactly! JoyToy is beholden to GW on all things related to the license, the sizes are GW, all figures are given final approval by GW…people don’t understand this simple concept
This is just not true at all and can be demonstrated as such through so many other releases.
I pray to the dark gods that Joy Toy will re-release the Black Legion Terminators in new sizes.
I hope joytoy will release them rescaled and 40k Abaddon along with them
@@sand5282 I hope so too. Joy was told that Abaddon will be released in 2025.
Oh No.... please no.......haha
The simple thing for collecting is exactly the same as tabletop, the smaller ones are just Firstborn and per the lore should be smaller anyway. All the newer models releasing are Primaris, thus will be bigger than any Firstborn, GKs are the best example as none of them are Primaris and will be shorter. Custodes are still bigger than both as it should be
the weird thing is the heavy intercessor in gravis armor or the apothecary biologist are suppose to be the same as the primaries terminators
the proportion is perfect sad it's so big
dante will be a mess if they make the primaries bigger
Bigger is always better
@@oriondragonstar7057 yeah no size accuracy is better (because it will F up vehicle and diorama)
It’s not just the terminators that suffer from this issue. The regular marines are getting bigger as well, especially the rerun of the bladeguard. 2nd generation marines already had trouble fitting inside of the atv and the 3rd gen and bladeguard are bigger so it’s very unlikely that they would fit unless they upscale the vehicles. The terminator size is even more ridiculous if you compare the mini versions of an intercessor and a 10th edition terminator, they are a lot closer in size than these massive ones. Sorry for the long post, but I am really annoyed by this.
To be fair to JT, their first early Terminators release were 30K models which are not Primaris Terminator.
I guess it matches what GW did with the miniatures. The Leviathan box terminators were notably taller than the previous terminators. Is it supposed to be the new scale for all JoyToy figures? Not sure. How is the scale compared to the Primarchs?
Personally it’s not a big issue for me due to I also collect tank diecasts. So I’m used to different proportions to similar models.
For the smaller figures, you can just pretend the guys are just short.😂😅
hahahaha... perhaps I should...
@@ac-studio this is a good idea to apply, this may be the reason i am not that bothered by the size creep
That's a pretty fair point, it's not like all Astartes are supposed to be the exact same size.
I prefer my Terminators being bigger, the older ones feel way to small especially the old terminator chaplain.
Another thing to add is for a Terminator they feel way to small not mention the older one legs look too skinny along with them being to weak to support the large upper body i dont like the look of it.
I love my grey knight terminators but putting them side by side with the new um terminators make them look like kids, wonder if joytou would do a 2.0
Not surprise they will do that once GW remake the GK!
I dont really mind them being it bigger it doesn't really bother me as other people plus im pretty sure there's a reason to why they are bigger all though some of the do look weird proportion wise
Hi where can I play the rocks and all the stuff you have behind?
I made the diorama myself, you can refer to my earlier videos showing how I made them. It is the easiest, fastest, cheapest tutorial in RUclips!
I have a question my mcfarlene 40k figure is wobbly at the upper chest, is their a way to fix this?
That land raider is so cool! What did you use to make it?
It is made mostly off cardboard , you can check out my channel to see the construction progress videos on it too!
I prefer the new size, old terminators next to marines didn't feel like walking tanks that they are supposed to be.
That's Exactly how I feel about it.
Yeah this is an issue for me too. As you say, new proportion is great, new size...looks great... but completely mismatches previous figures. If the previous (V2) Terminators had come out 4 or 5 years ago that'd be different, but I feel like those BA and UM squads came out maybe a year or so ago, and now they are obsolete! It's irritating, but again as you say, there's not much we can do about it. I'd rather not sell mine, but they look silly compared to the new ones now.... Good review!
Yes.. the previous Terminators only came out 9 months ago.. and now new ones... so frustrating.. the worst is I got the full squad!...
@@ac-studio I bought the Ultramarines AND the Blood Angels ones....😭😡🤬
I agree with your points. I also have to say as a 1/18 fan specifically I don't enjoy it becoming basically a 1/12 line as everything creeps up.
Oh no......@@datamag2018
@@drew3493 I mean, 1/18 means a normal human is about 3.75" tall. The standard Astartes have to be a good bit bigger than that, and Terminators even bigger still. I think they will be capped by the Primarchs though, because they need to be the tallest guys, basically by definition, and a 1/12 Astartes would be like 8 inches tall.
Libararian in terminator armour should be the same size as the standard terminator, it is the same armour, just the librarian uses psych powers so his armour is all glowy. I guess the old derpy looking one is a first born and the new ones are primaris. But the old one looks horrible. The imperialis looks cheap. New ones are so much nicer.
If it isnt part of the mechanicum in some way shape or form and its taller than my Grey Knight Terminators then I guess i cant get it. All others have to be robotic or smaller. Guess thats why I have Sororitas.
A resize for the Custodes would be nice.
they follow 1 for 1 based on miniatures.
Space wolves Terminator with lightning claws,please.
Now you see! Space Marines can’t fight in a world made for a 6 foot man. When we “The Australian Army” where making the IMV the African version was to small inside. Which was a joke about the Boars shrinking. It’s a fact of life..my mate “Chop” never fitted in 113s or choppers. And he was 6,5 feet.
Bigger will ALWAYs be Better when it comes to Warhammer Toys
La verdad es que mejor quedarse uno von lo que te ponen. Fallo de mo haver esperado al katufa otra vez sera. Hoy almenos he fimado . Mañana sera otro dia anal.
whats v4 ?
im not going to get the regular new terminators. Just the librarian
I have no idea why scaling is an issue. As long as they are good action figures, whatever.
I appreciate your perspective. This issue affects many of us who have invested significantly in building a collection, often amassing numerous figures. Joytoy releasing figures in different scales disrupts our collections and undermines the effort and money we've put into them. For model makers like myself, who create custom scratch-built models to enhance our collections, this shift is particularly frustrating.
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Is that the same size as the blood angels termi?
Probably not.. because the Blood Angels is V2 Terminators
@@ac-studioah very well:/
@@ac-studiowonder if I should hold off then and see if they remake them as they done others
The new terminators are primaris... the first one you showed is for the firstborn
Interesting, you're the first viewer to point that out!
Primaris upscale vs regular marines. Just like the GW models.
This is why I had to quit Joy Toy, I can’t stand the constant revisions and changes to figures. 1.0 intercessors were great, 2.0 sucked, and 3.0 were decent. Now they’re changing terminators and I don’t know what to buy without getting frustrated due to scaling issues.
I just got all 6 of the UM terminators last week, and now seeing this...WTF😅
oh....
@@ac-studio Why can't they give us the new proportions and upgrades but keep the scale?
terminator armor is bigger then ordinary armor this is lore accurate only gravis armor is close too terminator armor
and anyway the terminator armor is bigger and more armored
i gave up JT WH for its size creep are not cool, time to switch collection
Fair enough....
What in the mcfarlane is this…
Im a collector have 60 action figures of Joytoy, and i ill not buy the New terminators because of this problem of size creep, already have the old ones and um happy with then. I dont need the new terminators.
2cm is alot
I can’t say it better myself brother
What Joytoy has done is to make the new terminators Primaris size.
I appreciate you making this video. JT scale creep is way out of control.
Like I mentioned in the last video, it's because the figures are basically direct copies from the original GW models. The 2 models compared in the video have a 20-year gap. The more recent terminator models released in the last 5 years were not scaled that drastically different.
Based on the releases, it's likely unfortunately JoyToy didn't have the new Levithan terminators models yet when they made the original terminators.
As another commenter mentioned in the last video, you could technically call the older terminators Firstborn and the new terminators Primaris but that then throws the scale all out of whack now for the normal Primaris marines.
They are out of scale, otherwise very nice!
The new Terminators are cool, but I’m fed up of these scale changes.
Yeah... I had enough as well...