WEIGHT RATINGS | GVWR | GAWR | for CDL and NON CDL HOTSHOT
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2020
- Learn about GVWR and GAWR, what they mean, which is the breaking point and how to determine your load limit! You must know and understand what these mean and how to determine how much you can haul and where it needs to be on your trailer before you are overweight! Being overweight on an axle group is just as much of a violation as being overweight overall. This applies to both CDL and non CDL hotshot setups!
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Good stuff here... thanks for bringing up the topic. The biggest thing an officer will focus on is tire ratings and whether or not they have been exceeded. For example, my Ram 4500 has a 16,000 lb GVWR, yet has six 19.5" tires rated at 3,800 lbs per tire... equaling a max load capacity of 22,800 lbs. The Ram 4500 and 5500 are nearly identical aside from a few additional leafs in the spring pack, and both share the same tires and axles from the factory. The 5500 has a GVWR of 19,500 lbs. That said, I commonly exceed my GVWR sticker weight by a few hundred pounds, but NEVER the actual printed tire maximum weight rating.
I have been told by officers and other senior drivers that the biggest issue an officer will have is if you are over your tire weight rating, OR over your registered weight for your combination. So that is something to add to the conversation here and ponder on.
That’s a really good point man. When you start getting into the bigger setups there’s a lot more that comes into play. I tried to keep this at the basic level but it’s absolutely imperative that people know this stuff for sure.
Idk man dot has always told be gvwr is only for cdl requirements the rest is regstration and axle ratings
Ben Naylor that’s technically true since the 26k threshold is operating a loophole. While it may be case by case for a DOT inspection depending on which state you’re in...if you have an accident that results in a lawsuit, especially with injury or death....a lawyer will tear you to pieces over GVWR. If you’re gonna play the game, you gotta play it right. People are only lucky for so long.
Ya , certain states are by registration, axle and bridge. Where I am at yo can legally register a 4 axle 1 ton dually with a dual tandem trailer to around the 73000 range if you choose to do so I know a few in the 50000 range. doesn't matter what it says on the door or the trailer as long as you are not over 22000 on a dual wheel axle with comparable tires. What it comes down to is how much you give the state for the reg it's all about the money. But I can imagine you take it out of state another is going to say we don't see it that way.
You're not supposed to add all your tire weight together when you have a dually see your owner's manual.. hope you have a class B or A depending upon how much weight your hauling
“Don’t watch just one channel.” This is essential advice.
Read and understand the regulations. RUclips should not be your resource for anything related to regulations. Period.
You always come with the good info. Thx Mizer. Keep em coming...
Best description I’ve ever heard!
Great advice, I have watched over 50 videos and I look for the consistency. Great advice.
Really interesting stuff. I would like to see more on this topic of understanding weight management and choosing the best truck trailer combo with that a priority
This is beyond clear buddy! Great job and thanks for clearing up all the confusion! Stay safe out there
Awesome info. Thank you very much for providing.
Very nice video thanks for for explaining this i had to go back twice but i got it 100% thanks for all the good info keep up good work
I seriously had so many questions. You answered all of them!
Thank you for this video !! Now I know what to look for when picking out my truck and trailer Thanks again
Probably the best video I've watched. Thank you so much.. I will save it and watch it a few times.
Thank you for the thorough explanation.
That definitely cleared it up for me appreciate that info
Excellent narration of the math from different viewpoints. It gave me a fresh perspective, as someone who works for a commercial g.c. and the trailers we haul, probably incorrectly. Thanks again.
Great explanation on this topic!
best analogy ! ...was my take on gvwr in a minute . other descriptions have only confused me .
Great ifo! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
This is the best explanation on this subject I have seen on youtube...thank you.
I know this was a old video but super helpful man appreciate it definitely looking to review some more of your content
This video should be shown to all beginner drivers. Your break down of it all was spot on and easy to understand
Excellent information! I have been confused about this topic for some time. Thank you for the incredibly clear explanation! Ive been a big truck driver since 98 but I couldnt seem to grasp the weight regulations for hotshots. Looking to get started in around a month from now. Appreciate channels like yours and others similar!
Very well explained. Thank you sir
Hey Goodman, It's been a while I am following on your videos. You have a hidden talent in you as far as a good English conversation is concerned. I like your unique voice, fluency and the eloquent nature of your speaking. This is something that is missing from majority of truckers, those who have attached their video clips to the You-Tube channels - at least I haven't come across with. Your speech delivery is not only absorbent, but quiet instructive- Congratulation!
I want to hear regarding "Car hauling" and pay rates if you could elaborated on this issue when time allows. Thanks.
I am thinking about getting in to hotshot I have a class a with 5 years experience no tickets this information was very helpful thank you oh by the way I’m a new subscriber great videos keep it up
and yet another great video!! Thanks again for all the great information! Keep it coming and Stay Safe!!!
Eric Redman yessir will do and thank you for watching 👍🙌
About time I find a decent breakdown video of this topic. Thank you. Definitely gonna help with what trailer to purchase. I messed up and bought a 2500 that max’s out at 10k on the truck. Gonna be hard to find a trailer I can pull/haul with to stay legal
You make it so simple to understand and that makes us safer. Brother you are Godsent! Thank you so much.
Really good info and easy to comprehend for the new guys. I would add just 1 item on there which is tire rating. I have had friends that got put out of service more than once for having 10 ply tires while hauling 3 f150 and because their tire rating was surpassed they had to remove 1 vehicle to continue their trip. Keep up the good info much respect 💪👊🇺🇸💰
Thank you so much for your information . I really like your videos
Awesome man thank you!
That’s a good morning class with my morning coffee. I will watch again to take notes. Thanks man!
Gotta start the day off with coffee!! Professor Mizer approves! 🧐😂
great video very good job explaining everything thanks I know I appreciate them
Mike W thanks man! I’m happy I could help 👍👍
Very informative bro!, thanks
Exelente informacion, gracias
You just saved me a lot of money brotha appreciate it!
Perfect! Thanks!
Great job. Well articulated and well explained. The best video I've watched and I just watched 13 of em. A+
Thank you man 👍
You're absolutely right. I bet you there's alot of people who don't get weight and how to do the math to stay legal
As a CDL Truck Driver looking to get into Hotshot and hours into youtube videos. This is by FAR one of the most accurate, VALUBLE and informative videos out there!!!
Good info except this info may not be accurate for every state. Ex: In California a CDL is required if your trailer is rated for a load capacity of 10k weather you have a load or not.
Thank you!!! This really help. 😊
Best description - break down ever ! Thanks Load Mizer. Really enjoy your videos. So thanks for sharing. It's most appreciated.
Thank you!
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WOW What a great video. I have saved this and will refer back to it. They didnt even show us this stuff in the school where I got my CDL A. They breezed over it like it was nothing. Thanks so much for your series of videos. You dont waste, meaning you respect, the viewers time and not go into a lot of happy happy useless garbage. I dont think I have ever hit the bell to be notified about any channels I subscribe to......I will hit the bell for your videos. Your vids are VERY informative, Thanks again.
John Sullivan thanks for that man! I try to keep it on topic and to the point, I can’t stand watching vids that take forever to get to the point.
It could be a bit confusing for any new comers but very well said and makes perfect sense if you've been hearing and reading about weights for a minute. My setup right now allows for 3500 on drive axle (tongue weight -front of trailer) and roughly 13k on the trailer axles. Total weight on trailer 16.5k (my trailer GVWR is 22k).
Very helpful. Thank you.
Thank you! Thank you! I'm just looking at starting a hauling business, and when I looked at the regulations, I kinda scrunched up my face trying to figure it out. You made it very simple, and very clear! Thank you for taking the time to explain this.
Hey no problem man! I’m glad it helped you out 👍
Great info ... can you make a video about how your weight also can cause the change in your license from class C to Class A! When in doubt call your state trooper...
VERY HELPFUL I am going to watch this video over again and write down notes for sure? For the apportioned tags for Georgia with a F350 my weight class should be 55,000?
Love the info thank you
Great video. Thanks for the info.
Yessir. Hope it helped you out man! Was good talking to you👍👍
Excellent explanation
Very informative!! Thanks !!
Nice video, definitely informational, but what's the year make and model?
Great information!
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This was a fantastic video
Excellent breakdown & explanation. Easy to understand and calculate. I also appreciate the warning you gave up front. Not everything you hear on RUclips is accurate. Your info is. Thanks for giving us true info & especially taking the time to shoot & edit this video.
Coming from semi flatbed in the past I've been searching for a little clarity on this for a few weeks now so I really appreciate this content.
Glad I could help man 👍
THANK YOU!!!! I have spent three days trying to find out HOW to figure what I can put into the bed of my 2001 Dodge 3500 Truck. NOW a Video that helped me figure it out! I have looked at MANY, and none covered Payload in an understandable way. THANKS!!!!!!
Great info.. thanks man
This is a question ive been asking myself and seemed like people where just pulling what the trailer was rated for but i knew there was more too it. That rear axle weight probably is a lot different on a single drive than a dual drive axle also.... Man this was super video thank you!
Thanks man! Tire ratings start playing a big factor on single wheel setups. Your tires may be rated less than axle capacity. With duals it’s usually opposite.
Good morning I just watched the video you did on weight and man did that clear up my confusion thanks for the great info I hope I run into you out on the road some day so I can thank in person.. im Jay Halfmoon trucking
That’s awesome man, flag me down for sure 👍
I am non cdl, thank you this information. Happy Thanksgiving. Take care all the time.
Yessir have a happy thanksgiving!
Digging the format.. no bullshit n too the point... Keep it Kentucky!! Lol
I try to keep it simple. Just gotta be thorough too 🤣
Great video and explanation. I only disagree with one thing: as you load your trailer, your front axle on the truck WILL get heavier because the gooseneck hitch in the truck is typically mounted in front of center of the rear axle on your truck therefore transferring weight to the front truck axle. That’s why gooseneck trailers are so much safer than bumper pull trailers.
Again it's about control not safety not stopping not weight but money power and control well done 💪
This was perfect for me
Great content, Load Mizer! :) You really hit the nail on the head with these topics, greatly appreciated, sir.
I have a question, Load Mizer, I'm about to buy my truck and wanted to know if you have ever been hassled with length laws? I saw that Natalie over at HotShot Adventures went with the chassis only F350 because of that law but I've also heard DOT inspectors don't really pay attention to the 65-foot length law. My truck/trailer will measure out at 67' with an F350 pulling a 40' gooseneck, 2 ft over.
kevin gillespie I’ve never been measured personally. I think she has a great reason to avoid it all together as far as length laws go because she lives and mainly operates in California. California DOT loves length laws lol. I’ve been taped there several times in a semi over bridge laws when I had my spread axle. California just seems to be all about it. You could look at different trailer setups too though. I know PJ offers various neck lengths. Might be something to consider. 👍
I’m looking at the same problem. I’m learning as much as I can before I pull the trigger. I think I buying the 2020f350DRW with a 40 ft trailer but it seems that setup is longer than allowed. So going to a 35ft trailer keep everything legal but I will miss out on those 40 cargo boxes. That may not be a bad thing.
I have enjoyed you videos especially this one and the one with your binder on all the documents you keep in the truck. I have an appointment with an accountant in two weeks. I appreciate the videos 👍🏻
Thanks bro after the 4 views and several replays, I think I got it.
Good stuff man, so I have a trailer with a gvwr at 9990. Yes it was derated from 14k. What's my payload I can put on my trailer non cdl.? I really appreciate your help?
Excellent!!
Thank you so much
Hey brother. I liked your video. Could you advice me,please?I got ram 3500 dually and a trailer(for 3 car hauler). So I registered my vehicle for 3400 pounds 14000 is my truck and 20000 my trailer. When I go into scale how they will look into my document?Will they count it as combination or will they scale it by axle?im so confused
Man this is good Information. Newbie asking, so my question would be how are you supposed to know exactly that you don't go over that 2,560 before you load the trailer. (The BOL will give you that info?) I understand everything else, just how do you know for sure that after you load, and before you hit the road that you're under that 2,560 on the rear of the truck? Appreciate all your efforts, great videos!
Thanks bro… this was very hey
Helpful
Boom 🤯 great video
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it 🙌👍
Non CDL hotshot will never overload there axles. I am a CDL hotshot when I cross the scales the weigh master does not care about the door tags. They look at the sidewall rating of the tires. My GCVWR is 34,000 and I license to 32,000 and I never haul over 30,000 lbs. Where non CDL hotshots get in trouble is when they get over 26,000 they mostly likely will be shut down. As a CDL hotshot I will get an overweight ticket. I won`t be shutdown unless I am way overloaded. Another good video. Thank you
Great Info!!! Well said and very articulate. When you were listing the final legal weight you could carry on your set-up, I was saying to myself, "the load has to be perfectly balanced/positioned on the deck". It was like 5 seconds before you said "your placement has to be perfect". Load placement can also make you too heavy on one end of the deck or the other. Great point for any driver in charge of loading their own freight and keeping it legal for the folks at the scales. Ya can't slide those trailer tandems on a gooseneck........
Absolutely 💯
Thanx bro good info
In PA if your are non cdl(RV or horse trailer). Dot doesn't even actually weigh you. They go by the stickers on the truck and trailer and check tire ratings. You can be pinched even for hauling an empty trailer.
Nicely explained
I am retired OTR commercial CDL w/40 yrs. For us it seems simplified. We think in terms of: STEERS 12K max, DRIVES 34K max, and TRLR. TANDEMS 34K max. All that adds up to 80,000 gross. To simplify even further, shippers know what pallets weigh and what load configuration to use, i.e. "double, single, double, single and the rest of the pallets double". Full truck loads are typically 22 to 24 pallets. Again, shippers know exactly what to do. When you bump a dock and walk in, the first question the loader asks you: "does the trailer have a reefer unit?" (last thing they want is to reload you).
If you plan on doing hot shot, the info in this video is "PRICELESS"!!!
17000 is light that’s pretty setup man!!
Hello, thanks for the video. You explained it well but I'm still confused. I have a 2019 F 350 with the same weight of your f350 and my trailer is 40ft by 8.5 ft with 2 7k axels. I'll keep watching your video until I get it. Thanks again.
Great job! 👍
Spot on!
Beautiful, as a 21 year and over 2 million miles flatbed driver I wish I would have been told this 21 years ago, (I've known this for years) I'm saying this is spot on very helpful information and I deeply appreciate you sharing
I really do appreciate that. This isn’t the kindest industry as a whole anymore. Some guys are out here hanging by a thread and information like this can make the difference between surviving or hitting rock bottom. If one person learns from this it will be all worth it. You’ve got nearly twice the time in this industry as I do but even when I started we were all better to each other than what it’s become today. I’d like to help get it back to that point.
Guys, I have a question about GCWR. My main diesel hauler is down for an engine rebuild. If I have to tow heavy ever with my back up truck, I'd like to be safe and legal. I have a regular Class C in California. The back up hauler (don't laugh) is a 1981 GMC 1 ton non dually. It has a GVWR of 9,000 lbs.
This truck is in tip top shape 100%. Lets say empty I weigh an even 6,000 lbs. I'm I correct to think I can pull 20,000 lbs. behind me and still be totally legal? That seems high.
I can't find listed or printed info on GCWR for older trucks.
I may have found my info. I found a 1986 Chevy Trailering Guide. For the way my truck was built...
GCWR is 15,000 lbs
Gross Trailer Weight is 10,000 lbs with 1,000 lbs allowed on the tongue.
5th wheel numbers didn't change much, if at all, if I remember correctly.
I still need to get my eyes on a 1981 Trailering Guide.
That was a great explanation , how ever you left one thing out . And that is the bridge formula . And some state calculate that differently . I have a straight truck with 20,000 lbs front axle and 40,000 lbs rears . And yet my GVW is 56,000 lbs. I was told that in Conn. my truck can only weigh around 52,000 lbs . For me the tires are not the issue it is because of the wheelbase .
This was actually meant for Hotshot cdl and non cdl setups lol. I hear you though. Illinois is the exact same way. I drove a straight oil tanker for a while. Same setup as you with the HD front axle. Made many brief detours down state roads haha
@@LoadMizer I don't think matters straight truck or combo . Because the wheelbase and number of axles are all calculated with the bridge formula . Like I said I don't think all states use the same formula to add even more confusion .
That’s correct. They don’t, California and Florida are prime examples of just that 👍
Don't forget you can permit for the extra weight and the ply count of your tires can affect that as well
Pasadena , Texas loves to see you go by. The judge is real friendly but the DA and cop witness are not. The guy i drove for never learned you could derate the trailer or that the dealer derates the truck for cheaper title registration.
Thanks.
This is great information. I sell new Chevy trucks for a living, and I have a Class A CDL in Pennsylvania. I have many customers that need to see this video. I try very hard to educate my customers. In Pennsylvania, the DOT will automatically add the GVWR of your truck to the GVWR of your trailer, which puts many of my customers over 26,000 GCWR. Even though a new 2020 Silverado 2500HD is rated for 18,500 gooseneck...you can't hook 18,500 to the back of that truck! The GVWR of a new 2020 Silverado 2500HD is 11,350 for a diesel. Add the 11,350 to the 18,500 tow rating and BOOM you're automatically at 29,850 GCWR. The DOT doesn't care what the truck is rated for. They assume Maximum Capability at all times. The assume the tow rig is at full GVWR before you hook to the trailer. Also keep in mind the GCWR of a new 2020 Silverado 2500HD is only 27,500 lbs. So Chevy and the rest of the truck manufacturers are basing their towing off of an empty truck. Sure, and empty 2020 HD Silverado is ~ 8000 lbs for a 4x4 crew diesel shortbed. 8,000 curb weight + 18,500 gooseneck = 26,500 lbs...so you're under what the tuck is rated for, but you still need a Class A. Lastly I totally agree that de-rating the GVWR of a new trailer simply cuts down on what you can haul. It subtracts from your payload. The empty weight of the trailer doesn't change. I realize you're trying to stay under 26,000 GCWR...but if they put you on the scales, you're trailer will be overloaded if you load it like it's a 25K trailer that you derated to stay under CDL. Sorry for the rant!
Lol that’s right man! The basics of it are so simple but every time I try to explain it it just gets more and more complicated. Plus if you’re trying to willingly cheat the system there isn’t really much talking is going to help anyway. They’ll just have to learn the hard way 🤣
In this case your customer would not want to derate a 25k trailer he would buy a 14k trailer because then you are pulling 2500 lbs less of trailer weight and more payload than the 25k derated to 14600 could, Legally speaking
@@LoadMizer & @truckguyjoe You guys are both immensely helpful on this topic! However, searching the internet I hear different things regarding GCWR. Many heavier trucks do not use a GCWR on the sticker, only GVWR and the GAWR’s. Putting the GCWR on the sticker seems to be a more recent thing? I hear different things about if the DOT actually care about the sticker GCWR… For example, the medium duty 4500-6500 Chevy trucks, have higher GAWR’s than the 3500’s, with higher payloads, yet technically a lower “tow rating”. Yet many guys say this is incorrect and I see plenty car haulers with the 4500’s. My question is, at a weigh station, do the DOT actually go by manufacturer max GCWR, or just by, combined GVWR on stickers of truck and trailer, and GAWR’s and total tire capacity? Also I’m referring to that this is within your registered plate weight limit, with a class A CDL.
Would love to understand this once and for all.
Thanks!
Great explanation! Thanks for that. When you're hauling for camper hauling companies, they require your truck registration to be 26k. How can that be when the truck has a GVWR of 14k?
The truck registration includes how much the combination can weigh if hauling a trailer
Fellas the best thing to do is get a cdl so u can avoid a lot of this kinda stuff , great video driver be safe
Looking at a 2012 f250 XL. It has a gvwr of 10k. With 12k to 12.5k towing capacity.
And looking at a big tex goose neck 28' + 5' (I'm assuming 33 ft) gvwr 15900. So im just under both the gcwr and gvwr.
Is the 2012 f250 XL a suitable vehicle? Or do I still need a dually?
Great video.
Thank you 🙌
Have a 18k load of lumber (36’) booked for Monday, beginning to wonder if I can haul the weight. Never gone over 17k. F450 with 40’ pj 12k axels. Empty scale ticket is 19400, plated at 39k
Great video! You are spot on about checking multiple sources of information...that goes for everything on the internet. I run a 1999 F350 GVWR of 11,200 lbs. 14GN rated at 14,799 for a combined total of 25,999. My trailer weighs 6,000 lbs. If my cargo weighs 10,000 lbs. and is correctly positioned I will scale out legally, but then there's 16,000 lbs. on my trailer rated for 14,799. Any thoughts on this? I generally limit my loads to 8,500 lbs. unless I know for certain the weight of the load...cause the broker damn sure won't pay your overweight ticket! Would DOT go through the effort to determine the tongue weight and add it to the trailer axle weight to see if you are over the GVWR of the trailer?
There is always that risk, but honestly it would be an extreme situation for them to check that. I’ve had several lvl 1 inspections and it’s not been checked. I’m CDL though running apportioned.
Some of that 10,000 lb cargo will be on the truck, so it won’t be 16,000 on the trailer.
Find your videos real helpful . I’m new in the game just starting out under my own authority. I’m ready to work I’m just trying to figure out my allowed weight I can haul . I went and did everything you had said and did the math and what I’m figuring is that I can haul 14,100 lbs which to me seems a good bit less than I thought I’d be able to . . Wondering if there was anyway for some assistance from someone like your self to take a look . Thanks
That sounds about right for a 1 ton/40’trailer combo. A little on the low end though. My setup had me right at 16k on the flatbed.
Thanks for the reply , I thought the same but my math if I’m doing it correctly is coming at about 14,000 I really was hoping for 16,000
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Hey brother very good info I really appreciate it 👍!!! I’m starting my hotshot business next month and before I do so I will like to ask you a question . I’m a cdl driver and will only run in my state , will I need an apportioned plate or can I just run with my regular plate ? Thanks brother 👍
You’ll still have to register with the state like you would apportioned but you’ll be registering as an intrastate carrier. You’ll also need to let your insurance know that as well. Big price drop. If you do happen to cross state lines make sure you buy a trip permit for that state. 👍