This video is hella long so here are some timestamps ---------- Quick ones: 07:42 Reacting to Idubbz confronting Tana 13:33 Watching “The N Word Explained” 18:50 Beginning to Watch his apology 28:11 Pausing to watch Content Cop for the first time 32:32 Getting back to his apology ---------- Full Timestamps 00:00 Introduction 01:09 Patreon Ad 01:47 Introducing topic 03:46 Personal Opinion of idubbz 04:39 Privilege and being sheltered 07:42 Reacting to Idubbz confronting Tana 12:20 Tana’s White Liberal Hypocrisy 13:33 Watching “The N Word Explained” 18:50 Beginning to Watch his apology 20:48 When your audience doesn’t want you to grow 23:05 idubbz clarifying his position 24:44 The impact on your audience 28:11 Pausing to watch Content Cop for the first time 32:44 It’s funny cuz it’s a slur, not cuz it’s funny 32:32 Getting back to his apology 35:48 Struggling to pivot/ bigotry is lucrative 39:24 Racism, humor and irony 43:11 A RUclipsr’s responsibility to their audience. 51:05 Widening your perspective, leaving your bubble 01:04:40 Love and expanding empathy 01:07:06 Conclusion
For me, as a mixed black person who is queer and fat, when i hear slurs, it dosent make me 'offended.' It simply tells me i am not safe where i am, and i need to leave. That i am not welcome. But if i say that outloud, white people will go on and on about how they arent racist and i am allowed there and bla bla bla Its like even me simply LEAVING when people are racist has to be a political argument or whatever, but them using a slur that is racist dosent even matter
It interesting that if you do call them out, They will gaslight you & Try to make you feel bad about it. I confronted a so called friend making a racist joke on FB once. And he tried to turn it around on me by responding, it was a joke and nothing more than a joke. You are being over sensitive and over reacting and need to open your mind.
It's interesting because white people only see it as political when we feel like our freedom of speech is under attack, when in reality it's just the nature of being an uncomfortable person to be around.
yes, it's a very low bar, but when most of the "youtuber" apologies we get are just performative, we'll take whatever we get. As a leftist, I do like to celebrate change and growth.
The way Kat basically calls everything in the apology video before it happened is honestly impressive. Shows her insight into the creator mentality is unmatched.
I've noticed that these types of people view slurs as some sort of OP ability in a video game that they're not able to have. It's the resentment that's so weird to me. I noticed this a lot during the slurs against white and straight people discourse. These guys truly don't understand that the reason there's backlash to these slurs in broader society is because they were used to strip groups of people of their humanity in order to justify atrocities committed against them. They aren't simply rude insults.
I can't speak on the state of education as is, but my generations education regarding black history was horrible. I think our education system has seriously failed, and is failing our society when they do not require those horrific events to be exposed. Germany, from what I've learned, strictly denounces the Nazis in their education and they don't sugarcoat how evil it was the way we sugarcoat history in the states. The stories I have learned over time are absolutely appalling... It is absolutely shameful that history is completely misrepresented in this country. It definitely contributes to this high level of apathy people have regarding the issues black people face...
@@Luminousmorrow I'm Canadian & big same here - the state of our education system, which includes very little about Black or Indigenous history, is similar and by design. The RCMP (the red coated "Mounties" that tourists love so much) were originally formed to forcibly move Indigenous people off their lands for the Hudsons Bay Company. That is the foundation of so-called Canada. This is not taught so that corporations can continue to run pipelines through Indigenous lands (many of which are historically unceded) and Canadians won't blink. When there is protest by Indigenous land defenders, the RCMP cracks down hard. Canadians are either silent or think land defenders should stfu and move out of the way of "progress". The way Germany teaches history is astounding to me. I'm sure it's not perfect but at least Germans are not having to figure out what to do with all their statues of Hitler.
Definitely! When I was an edgy teenager I saw these words as on the exact same level as saying private parts-words and just as a word for black people that black people forbid you from using. I was literally reacting the same way as when my sister would not share things with me - it's extremely immature. I heard that it's bad because of slavery, but that too was an abstract concept that I didn't relate to violence, akn to having a shitty boss and getting food and shelter but no cash. I'm not American I have to say and internet was my only source of information. My wakeup call was when the police murdered a very soft, very nice black child going home with a ketamine injection and my friends at the time.... definitely stopped seeing black people as human beings and used the word as a "true" slur, and it was no longer edgy but gut-wrenching. That's when the violence of it all clicked for me and I think that's how you transform an "edgy kid with no true hate" into a normal person. Show them a very bad video and see if the empathy is still there.
as someone who used to consume quite a bit of idubbbz's content (and is not proud of it at all), it's really wild to me that he's made one of the most seemingly genuine youtuber apology videos i've ever seen. i honestly never imagined he'd make a video like this, which goes to show how overdue and deserved it was
I am white and watched these types of videos when I was very young, around the age of 10, and I grew up in a very conservative, puritanical religion, so this kind of humor definitely appealed to me for the shock value. I think on some level, it was the catalyst for me leaving my religion, but I wish I could have found a better gateway, because I was desensitized at a young age and was exposed to some questionable groups of people. Like adults who found it okay to harass and threaten children and queer people (also often young) because it was "funny"
I appreciated his apology and it felt truthful. The only thing that pisses me off as a black person is how much his previous audience showed their true colors. Hearing things like "it wasn't that bad" or "i thought it was funny". Like how did he go in depth on every single thing he did and people still made excuses? The apology was serious but ppls response was not. Kinda ruined it for me.
It also can be seen as his final content cop, one on himself. That also highlights the change, because this video couldn't be more different in tone and editing. But yeah, leave it to the people who have been clowning him and his wife for years to hijack the conversation.
Yeah because unbeknown to him, that's the audience he cultivated. He used slurs without being a sincere racist, but the racists followed him and identified with him for it. This is the unfortunate story of creator that lead a far far more reactionary crowd than he intended. Him understanding that, what he did wrong and putting a stop to it, is the only thing that matters, and he did that. Reactionaries can stay mad all they want, and they can go somewhere else to deal with their daddy issues.
@@Nina-cd2eh He acknowledges that's the people he's engaged, but because he kept making excuses for himself, he felt he wasn't responsible for THEIR racism--he was only responsible for his own; and for his own "racism", he used to believe he actually wasn't--he was just being edgy. But according to the apology video he has realized that his actions and words enabled racists to be racists with actions, and he makes it clear that he doesn't want to associate with them, even though he knows he can't excuse himself for all his actions and this may be something that follows him for the rest of his life.
Because unfortunately that's the audience that he has fostered and honestly the fact that they reacted like that only proves how right he was about the shitty impact he had. The things he's admitting being guilty of in the video are evidenced as plain as day by the comments themselves. The kind of move he pulled here was one that was obviously going to get backlash because he was this 'daddy' to all these bigoted idiots and I respect the fact that he's just being like 'fuck all of you' now. You can't expect anything more out of these clowns, I've seen these silent bigot types all over the place, ppl like Cr1tikal and Boogie2988 are exactly the type that like to act reasonable in front of a camera making the most lukewarm takes in the world while they continue to propell the status-quo further. They're cowards of thought designed to impress the most easily impressed idiots, people who have never put on the work in their lives and genuinely think that "common sense" is a metric of social analysis (it's COMMON for a reason right??? it's COMMON because it is the driving ideological force of the status-quo)
So the poor reaction to this is probably happening because these people aren't ready to have that mirror put up to their face. He was ready, but those fans were not. It's reinforcement that this is a topic that needs to be heard in a very loud way..
His fans are still mad he stayed with his girlfriend after she started doing onlyfans. Like 50% of comments for a while where just calling him a gay cuck and it was pretty pathetic. I started liking his videos more when he was just messing around with slime or building something. Suprisingly wholesome videos, and his fans just hated them. Kept saying he "lost his edge" and was a "pussy" now. I wouldn't be surprised if looking at his own comments where what got him thinking: "wow, most of the people who like me are not only awful but they're really fucking dumb". So yeah, if you needed an idea of just how stunted some of his longterm fans were, many of them became adults and still call people cucks. So it's just as bad as you could imagine, and it's also as bad as you can't imagine 😅
@@robertyeah2259 I totally see what you mean. From what I saw, many comments were so upset that he "allowed" his wife to keep her last name. They call us fragile, but bro... A last name just shattered your reality 😭 it's absolute insanity.
To his credit iDubbz doesn't seem like he thinks he deserves a cookie for having basic human decency lol. Like he knows some people are never going to fuck with him and that's just life. Moistcritikal on the other hand really shocked me because his response makes no sense and I'm starting to re-evaluate how I feel about him. This is just speculation but, I wonder how he really feels about trans people. I was just curious so I just searched it in RUclips and he rarely talks about trans ppl. He barely mentioned Mr Beast's trans friend and that feels like a video topic he would normally do. It feels like he's avoiding the subject.
Honestly I've always been a bit skeptial about Moist. To me, he always has really basic takes and avoids topics that are too "controversial" (like the MrBeast one) to appease both sides of his audience. I notice he does have a reasonably sized conservative fanbase. But I was happy to see that a good chunk of his fanbase was also giving him flack his response to the idubbbz video, so that's good.
The thing about Charlie is that although he has a very specific persona as “the gamer who isn’t a complete chud” he is a conservative and a racist as his default, it’s very obvious
I've never watched this guy, but I used to watch pewdiepie. And he went through a similar story, if anyone remembers. I used to think he was being ironically edgy, judging by his girlfriend and his friend pj, he also reminded me of my own friends. But the way he responded to criticism was not it, and I realized that he's not someone I want to watch anymore. this guy's apology is something I wish pewdiepie had said at the time. Saying that he doesn't want to be r*cists' cup of tea, etc. It's nice that idubz is loudly announcing that he doesn't stand for the offensive "edgy" stuff he used to promote. And I'm glad you're talking about this situation, bc otherwise I wouldn't have known this is going on at all
The whole fiverr, gamer word, New York Times saga... it's all so disappointing, and you're right. He had a chance to self-reflect there, and he didn't. I'm not having anyone excusing him because he's Swedish either. He was a privileged, sheltered and racist Swede who couldn't take accountability-- but being Swedish was hardly the problem factor in that equation. Many of us thought he was embarrassing himself here.
I was wondering if pewdiepie would come up w all this, he was in his little 👌🐸nazi era for a minute and nobody ever brings it up now and its super weird. Like there were enough incidents that it had a genuinely rancid vibe beyond edginess. Weird times
I had the same thought. How Pewdiepie refuses to come out and call out the really terrible people who feel endorsed by him is wild and all of that would change with one video of him telling them to fuck off
Especially being Indian on the internet became literal hell after Pewdiepie did those "diss tracks" which contained heaping helpfuls of racism and punching down. I can't stand him.
I used to be harassed by actual Nazis on this platform for criticizing either. I would bring up racism in regular (ie: not Nazis) RUclipsrs comments and be harassed for days. I would call out specific actions by iDubbbz and pewdiepie and be told “physical, in-person harassment is fine” (which always made me worry they’d do it to a Black creator) and “there’s nothing wrong with ALL manners of hate speech and violence, because it’s the internet.”
People are really showing their ass in their responses to this video. “It was just acceptable at the time, he shouldn’t apologize”. Like no, it was never okay. And it says a lot about you if you think that. People were speaking up at the time about how offensive this type of content was. I didn’t spend years of getting called an sjw and triggered snowflake for people to turn around and say that “nobody knew any better” Not to say that I was a perfect ally at the time or that i didn’t have things to learn. But the narrative that this type of content was completely acceptable at this is so wrong.
Omg yeah, I feel like I’m in a time warp with grown adults acting like 2016-2017 was some long bygone era where no one was vocally condemning this behavior. This was the height of GamerGate, Trump election, all the alt right shit. If he was from 2007 era RUclips I would be slightly more understanding of someone giving it the “it was a different time” excuse, although it still would have been just as unacceptable and wrong - I feel like if you grew up in the US past the year 1980 you should know better than to just say the n word even as a joke. Not okay.
i feel like people need to understand that slurs are just words that has history, they literally do nothing to harm anybody, THEY ARE WORDS, i mean bitch was a slur and now people use it normally, why can't the same be said for n word ???
When you said "do the work" to stop being a racist it really has me thinking about how so many white people are raised up to be scared of black people to the point where they avoid friendships with black folks their entire lives. Even when it isn't deliberate, the learned anxiety causes awkwardness and avoidant behavior. It has to be a continuous deliberate effort to escape that. I wish more people knew that. I'm grateful for you voicing these types of topics the way you do, it's important work.
Yep! One of the strangest things I’ve interacted with is white liberals being anti racist but still being very afraid to interact with me. Every time they do it’s like they’re doing exposure therapy or something but they’ll get on their high horse about racism around other white people. It really does take actual work and I don’t think most people get that
I am not afraid of black people, but I did have to eventually realize that I was raised in a very racist household (in Switzerland). It is an ongoing effort to actually click n videos that are titled in a way that reveal most likely my previous assumptions and attitudes were racist. It is also a disappointing process, as I don't think of myself as a bad person, I just think I'm always trying to do better and change this aspect of me, but there is always more to be found, either with how society has changed or with me having to confront my biases and realizing they were not based in anything but the things that were passed onto me by my dad. I do have friends who are black, they don't think I'm racist, they know I'd want to hear it if I did something to make them think that. It's not as bad as I put it now, but this conversation and this process of changing from a racist past is not happening. I wish this was more normal...
I am not afraid of black people, but I did have to eventually realize that I was raised in a very racist household (in Switzerland). It is an ongoing effort to actually click n videos that are titled in a way that reveal most likely my previous assumptions and attitudes were racist. It is also a disappointing process, as I don't think of myself as a bad person, I just think I'm always trying to do better and change this aspect of me, but there is always more to be found, either with how society has changed or with me having to confront my biases and realizing they were not based in anything but the things that were passed onto me by my dad. I do have friends who are black, they don't think I'm racist, they know I'd want to hear it if I did something to make them think that. It's not as bad as I put it now, but this conversation and this process of changing from a racist past is not happening. I wish this was more normal...
I don’t accept his apology, but I appreciate it. That’s how most marginalized feel about his apology (except some also don’t appreciate it as well which is also valid because it is a bit overdue). Yknow what I don’t appreciate? Critikal’s response which is basically saying he didn’t need to apologize (yes he did LMAO).
My impression of him is he's very sheltered, even though he's a bit older than you'd expect a sheltered person to be. I don't watch many of his things, but it seems like he still lives with his family?
@@KatBlaque See, I was big fan of Penguinz0 before this and I knew he had centrist tendencies, but I thought he was more center-left, and part of me still feels like he is but in reality it seems like he’s just a apolitical figure with average takes, but this average take happened to be dog shit. He doesn’t live with his family though, he lives with his girlfriend and his pets in Florida.
It weirdly feels like it has been getting worse lately. Like nearly every comment section is filled with people being hateful for no reason and with very little visible backlash as well
I mean, idk. Coming as a black woman who grew up in these communities when Idubzz and all these other edgy white male RUclipsrs were popular, it's kind of shitty to me how white men like him contributed to this normalization of anti Blackness and racism, and now that the damage has been done, he can just apologize and we should all accept it and move on. "Everyone makes mistakes" and thats true and all, but where was that grace for the black content creators and nerds who had to deal with the onslaught of casual, edgy white men who hid behind their racism with "jokes?" Who had to deal with being harassed by hundreds of people for calling out these creators? It's great that he reflected and apologized, but I don't blame people for not forgiving him or even trusting the sincerity of it. They don't have to.
Yeah, i've only seen parts of Moist's video about the situation, but it was so strange hearing him discuss a time on RUclips where I was very much mercilessly harassed as a very even keeled, not that controversial time. Like... some of us had to actually deal with lots of shit all the time. I have the thick skin I have because I had to wake up every day reading people calling me slurs. What bothers me is that while I dealt with that, he gets to benefit from his former racist content AND now his apology. Meanwhile, black creators are still dealing with white creators taking every joke they make seriously and tearing them down because we do not provide the same amount of sympathy to creators who aren't white men. It's very annoying.
@@KatBlaque IMO Moist's video was terrible and he never really accounts for a perspective other than his own. There was this whole tone of "you don't need to apologize for something because I enjoyed it" and I think he even said something similar to that out loud in the video. It was very jarring to hear that because he very much does need to apologize for the shit he did, even if people found it funny, and it's weird that people don't understand that.
I agree with you fuck them all. I'm glad that black nerds are making their own online spaces now so the new generation of black nerds growing up don't have to deal with or see half the bullshit we had to deal with in the nerdy, alternative spaces mainly had wannabe "edgy" racist white ppl being the only thing pushed to them and given significantly larger platforms. You already didn't fully fit in for having alternative interest then what is expected for the average blk person then when you are looking for community online you are meet with waves of racism and extreme criticism for the most minut shit. Meanwhile these ppl can dress up like Nazi's, wear blackface, scream racist slurs and always be forgiven and keep getting fat checks in spite of everything.
@@j.a.terlato2461It’s literally what you say, because “I enjoyed it”. He still hasn’t seen that part of himself to be problematic and so he sees other people saying it is as wrong because he doesn’t agree at this point. That’s all I can see in it really. I feel the same sentiment from most of the people reacting. They don’t see any issue with any of the things he said.
I think the funniest thing about the tana mongeau situation is how idubbz fans will still try to justify it by saying she told him to kill himself. And it's just so funny to me that these "edgy" slur saying gamer goblins are acting like they're above or even against telling someone to kill themselves
@@KatBlaque honestly I think it's really simple, they're a real person and the people they're saying that stuff to isn't. To them. I doubt they realize this but they tell on themselves when they react like this.
it’s also weird that he got so butthurt about that when he told keemstar to kill himself??? and ian’s major thing was “don’t dish it if you can’t take it”. he couldn’t take being told to off himself, but he could dish it out??? interesting 🧐
@@reckless_herb THAT'S LITERALLY MY REACTION TOO, I was waiting for Kat to clip in him telling keemstar to kill himself as soon as the screenshot of Tana's tweet came up!
I mean he obviously chose to call her out since she was only 18 and literally wasn't even that bad- like most people I knew hadn't even heard of Tana before the video. All his other content cops were made on large, infamous creators who were unanimously hated- Keem was a POS asshole who started drama, Leafy bullied children and autistic people, Reactors stole content, Kids channels seek to manipulate children for views, and Ricegum is just an asshole- but Tana just told some fake stories and didn't even do much. There's also the whole yk- traveling across the country to see her in person just to say the n-word at her panel. The gap between the level of spite he took towards this person compared to what she did to deserve it is astronomical- I can see why he chose to single her out.
Breaking news, this just in, one person in the edgelord community puts in the hours to grow a normal amount of empathy. It's a pretty decent apology video but you guys ... Don't scroll down if you go watch it. Just don't do it
why the fuck did it take him so long too? He could have apologized when people criticized him. He could have apologized when all the BLM marches in 2020 really kicked off. He could have apologized when Jenna Marbles made her apology and a bunch of other youtubers followed suit. Nah he waited till way after all of that and deserves a cookie for doing it this late.
@@Zectifin Because this is when he happened to grow enough to see the error of his ways. He said himself that even in 2022, he was still coping and couldn't admit to himself that he was a bigot. Not saying that justifies it, but that's the reason why.
as much as his apology seemed genuine (i don’t know anymore, when it comes to things like this i don’t trust people anymore), all this reminds me of is how his content had gotten me subjected to so much vitriol and hatred all for my skintone. i personally am not going to forgive him as a black person mostly because i think it’s too little too late, but…i dunno.
And you shouldn't be forced to forgive, I've noticed a lot of pale-faces try to demonise you for not forgiving, like we aren't going to be hounding him like how the pale-faces do to us but I mean, it's really cheeky for a white person to determine how a black person should feel regarding racial trauma.
Not trusting public apologies is a good reflex imo. It's done to save face 95 percent of the time. Folks need to judge people on the whole of their actions, not just their most recent words. Words are free, being different requires active effort.
You don't owe him any forgiveness. Anybody telling you you need to be instantly chill just because he did what seems like an genuine apology arn't interested in the real process of healing.
The way our privileges us rob of empathy is wild & I could lay this critique at the feet of white supremacy but where many of us hold privilege we hold this impulse to oppress. This video enlightened me on spaces to grow
So true. It feels like the hardest thing for us to do on a societal level is to genuinely EMPATHIZE with folks we see as """"below us"""". I guess that kind of point of view is the problem itself and yet it's so common...lots of people want to see others as lesser instead of finding things to take pride in within themselves, but if the only way you can feel good is to say " I'm better than that person", you've already failed.
@@iamjustkiwiyou’re so right about some people needing to see others as “lesser” and it explains why when you confront people who have different biases, they cling to any reason or shred of “proof” to demonize the other rather than looking for reasons to understand anything different from them.
@@iamjustkiwi I truly believe from experience (my circumstances exposed me to wildly different class environments, which being from the working-poor class makes class-travelling/code-switching really obvious to me) & from reading academic research across several areas that inequality is, among many other ill effects it has, responsible for so much unnecessary interpersonal strife & personal unhappiness. & the wider that gap gets, the more amplified those ill effects get.
He did what alot of white people do with the whole "either all slurs are ok or none". This belief of if they can't say it then no one can, cause they have to be included.
Spot on. Even when I consumed his content (I was like 13 I cringe at myself) I never was on board with that...like ofc all slurs are bad is this hard? It's honestly a bit of the white people want to be oppressed ideology.
@@stuffwithsoph8264same experience. Yep, never bought that either. It was clearly such a wild argument to me. YEAH slurs are all bad. YES the own group can use it to reclaim the word. What's hard to understand?
I think he addressed that, doesn't make it right, but he did say in his video that that was a very dangerous way of looking at these things. I always feel like, as a white person, we've benefitted immensely from colonialism, racist preferential treatment and not having our physical safety threatened because of the colour of our skin. And yet there are white people who still think it's "unfair" that we can't say the N-word when rapping along to a song 😂. No one who practiced slavery ever went to prison for all their rapes, and torture, criminal negligence and murders, but somehow these white people think we got the short end of the stick. It's just ridiculous. I want to make a proposal: All wealth stolen from Africa and other Western colonies have to be returned, reparations need to be paid back to the descendants of enslaved Africans, all governmental policies that have excluded black people from enjoying the Post WW2 economic miracle have to be reversed, all police that have been proven to use unnecessary lethal force against innocent black people need to go to jail for murder, the prison industrial complex needs to return all their profits gained from jailing black people for petty drug crimes (possession, use), electoral victories gained through racist gerrymandering need to be overturned, black musicians and athletes exploited through contracts need to be compensated for their losses, the victims of Katrina need to be financially compensated for the governmental negligence, the KKK and other white nationalist organisations need to be criminalised and forced to pay retrospective community service to the black community for their crimes, the FBI and CIA need to compensate black organisations and African governments respectively that were undermined through their actions in the 20th century and medical institutions that did harmful tests on black citizens need to compensate them or their descendants for this. Let's make things fair first. Then and only then can we talk about whether or not the use of the N-word is allowed for white people.
As someone who grew up in Sweden (in a very ethnic European community and the only dark skin/black person i saw growing up was adopted from south India) i really don't understand the difficultly in *not* being racist. I really think that growing up in more diverse communities really helps children understand diversity and such but many countries don't have the same history of diversity as the USA and still don't grow up to be racist (or have a racist "era" in their youth). I dont understand why its so difficult for so many online personas to not use slurs
I think it's you coming from an ethnically very homogenous area that makes it difficult to understand. Many people seem to believe that racism just evolves out of thin air, when in reality it's a mixture of racist propaganda and experiences. So many times have I seen white people go "I'm not a racist, I just genuinely don't like black and brown people in my country, because they commit crimes and destroy my culture! I *have* a reason! I have experiences to back me up!"
@@maschaorsomething Don't forget about systemic issues. America has such a toxic individualistic culture that we sometimes forget about system that were put in place a long time ago that still reinforce r4c1sm. But no we took down this one r4c1st white guy, and racism is no longer a thing /s
@@maschaorsomethingdiffuculty understanding what? that making assumptions of a entire ethnic group based on the actions of 1 person is wrong? or difficult to understand what is and isnt racism?
Kan tyvärr inte säga att jag har samma erfarenhet. Jag är kines-svensk som du säkert kan se på mitt namn... min bästa vän är afrikan-amerikan adopterad från USA. Min andra bästis är etniskt delvis same. Vi fick en hel del rasism riktade mot oss när vi växte upp. Detsamma gäller de andra synliga minoriteter jag växte upp kring (området var relativt diverse, men absolut majoriteten etniska svenskar eller européer. Få afro-svenskar.) Jag håller med om att Sverige inte har samma historia av rasism som USA, men jag vill inte heller säga att Sverige inte har någon historia alls-- det tycker jag är väldigt förhastat. Tvärt om tycker jag att svenskar ibland har en ganska nonchalant attityd till vår egen rasism, för att det inte ser ut exakt som den gör i USA. Islamofobin till följd av flyktingkrisen 2016 har knappast hjälpt heller. SD är tredje största partiet i riksdagen, men vägrar erkänna att deras politik är byggd på hat mot diverse minoriteter. Många av SDs väljare vill på liknande sätt inte erkänna vad partiet står för. DET har varit mitt stora problem med xenofobi i Sverige. Faktumet att majoriteten inte vill erkänna den xenofobi som faktiskt finns här, och därmed vägrar att ens veta av de upplevelser jag och andra minoriteter har haft. Dock växte jag upp i Småländska bibelbältet, och området är väl inte helt känt för att vara särskilt progressivt.
The amount of people completely dismissing and downplaying the harm that he himself is admitting to is infuriating yet expected. I was hoping you might make a video on this, and I was right! I really appreciate the length of the video and hearing your in-depth perspective on this. It was definitely reassuring to listen to someone with some sense after seeing some of the ignorant comments left on his video. I've seen many lackluster youtube apologies over the years and this was one of the few decent ones. I hope that he continues to do the work and hopefully his fans will learn something from this.
I can only speak as a queer person that was affected by his content: I was in my mid-twenties when I first came across Ian, and the thing was that I actually thought he was pretty funny at times and clever, but good lord, the way he was so trigger happy (no pun intended) with slurs DEEPLY bothered me. Like, the fact that he and his fanbase proudly called themselves n-word f-slurs was disgusting to me, and weird, and just unfunny. I lived in a bigoted environment (and this was 2016 and I was living with a homophobic step-parent who was openly hostile to me), so I used youtube as an escape. But if you remember the climate on youtube back then, "edgy," racist shit used as humor (but also just straight-up racist shit) did NUMBERS on youtube, and idubbbz's videos were a huge part of that. He didn't invent that environment, I wouldn't even say he 100% cultivated that environment, but LORD, he certainly helped it. And speaking as someone who had the f slur hurled at them multiple times when they were a kid, it was the bottom of the barrel in terms of humor and content in general. And by his own admission, he had no empathy and did not care that he hurt others, and it showed. It was gross, it majorly turned me off. I figured he was another bigot and stopped paying attention to him after the Tana thing. After a few years I'd heard he was different, more mature, and while I liked that, I couldn't fully believe it until I heard it from his own mouth (which he did a little bit on Anthony Padilla's video). Again, I'm only speaking for myself here as a queer person and not anybody else: I wanted an apology and I got it. Ian seemed very sincere to me and genuinely regretful. Do I think it stops there? No, of course not. I sincerely hope he continues to work on himself every day. But I can't turn my nose down at someone who is a different person and wants to do better, or at the very least, is trying to do better. I don't have a problem giving him a little grace here. I'm happy he's changing for the better. And I'll give Ian credit: he's said on twitter that the only people he wants to hear from are the groups of people he's hurt. I think that shows (to me, I could be wrong cuz I don't know the guy) that he understands there are people who won't forgive him, and that's fine. And I don't judge anybody for not wanting to accept it. I won't be subscribing to his channel any time soon, but for me, he's fine. I don't want to hold any more bitterness towards him. I mostly feel incredibly bad for the misogynistic abuse his wife has had to put up with from actual nazi's, all for the crime of being a sex-worker and being partially responsible for Ian changing. I also can't help but feel bad for the amount of shit Ian is getting from his old, awful, toxic fanbase. I hate to say it, but he kinda shot himself in the foot with that. Now he has to deal with that tenfold. 🤷♀Hopefully those anti-social weirdos can...idk, just stay in their basement or something. Stop interacting in the wild. Just change and grow as a person. (apologies for the essay.)
There’s also an element to it where its just kinda... cathartic I guess? To hear him, someone, anyone really, finally admit how fucked up all that shit was? I feel like there has just sort of been this tacit acceptance of “oh yeah that was a kind of problematic phase of online culture, but wasnt it fun and wild?”, and everyone involved has quietly moved away from it. At least with this the tide of discourse will probably turn on a dime (as it always does) to “yikes, and oh by the way i always thought so actually”, a la shane dawson. (Edited to add - normie straight white discourse that is. Your average twitch stream consumer) I was like 17 when the tana thing happened, and I was fucking SPIRALING about how nobody online could even see how that filthy frank, idubbz et al cultural zeitgeist had probably contributed to literally creating the alt right, mostly bc kids my age had grown up on this shit. (edit edit im not saying put these people in the stocks now or whatever cause who the fuck cares about them specifically, but some like. Thoughts about, effects of things, sociopolitically, would be nice,) That content cop was so transparently stupid and awful, it was so maddening to me that noone would say it. It is some consolation that maybe male commentary youtubers will perhaps start stating the fucking obvious about all this now.
@@okayokayfineilldoit Right?? When the Tana video came out I was TRIPPING OUT over the overwhelmingly positive response. Little Joel actually said this in his video about Ian (which Ian commented on and agreed with, so I’m glad he sees that, too!), but spending money on tickets, traveling out of state, buying merch, paying extra for a meet and greet, only to say “saaaaay n-word!” very happily, to someone barely 18 years old…is DEEPLY unhinged, anti-social behaviour. And then to go on a tirade about how “either all of it’s okay or none of it’s okay,” completely unchallenged and PRAISED, man, I thought I was living in fucking Opposite Land. It was legit scary. Again, I commend Ian for changing and appreciate him apologizing. I genuinely wish him nothing but the best and I hope he makes content he’s proud of. But there’s been a lot of damage done, unfortunately. I imagine he’s gonna feel guilt about this for awhile. But hey, at the very least he finally woke up. If he stayed the same he would’ve just been another Sam Hyde, except probably infinitely more successful, and THAT’S freaky. And boy, are him and those freaks fucking loud.😬
It's actually surreal because in a sane world the discussion would be about maybe how sincere the apology was, maybe coming to terms with the extent of the damage he did and what steps you might think he should take to attempt to right his wrongs. But then you look at what all these RUclipsrs are saying and on white people land, apparently the debate is whether or not he even did anything worthy of an apology in the first place
Seriously. I can't stand that (and I'm sorry for bringing his name up, it won't happen again) people feel the need to speak on Moist Critical's view of the situation. The fact that he came across as an idiot is his own problem, but do we really need other people to weigh in on what he said when what he's saying is so clearly irrelevant to what the apology was even about? Like gee thanks Critical. Thanks for completely derailing the conversations we should be having 🙄
Funnily enough as a member of his audience when he said either all of it's okay or none of it's okay I went you are right none of it's okay. And as someone who fell under a lot of the minorities whenever I watched his stuff I felt very alienated by the very reactionary unsympathetic core audience. I liked his criticisms of ricegum and keemstar but didn't love his methods. But every time I commented under his videos I ended up arguing with most his viewers about mostly misogyny and homophobia and it made me pull away from him and his content. I am happy to see that he is changing his content and approach to his audience and I hope that one day he will end up being my cup of tea.
I have a long history and a LOT of feelings about idubbbz and this particular arc of his. I was about 13 in 2016 and I can tell you the damage this did to kids my age was insane. The amount of people my age (including myself) that somehow had all the education we received in school and from POC why the n-word isn't okay erased. The freedom of speech bullshit argument really did a number on us and the really edgy kids would say n-word f-slur just casually.
I WANT to defend free speech but it feels like everyone who is super adamant about it's importance only seems to want to be free to say hurtful stuff so that kinda sucks...most folks can go through their whole lives without saying the things he loved to say without being "oppressed" so it seems more like a him problem he wants other people to fall for.
@@WaterCursor51 Yeah 100% tbh I was peer pressured into consuming that sort of content and it began to warp my perspective and twisted it. I mean I should've known better I received a good education that frankly was quite leftist in it's practice but 2016 saw the "anti-SJW" rise and I, as a very VERY insecure, damaged young girl who was just starting to acknowledge my attraction to women and having undiagnosed autism got bullied a lot. I was super feminist and outspoken, I used to go on rants in class about dress codes and how sexist it is etc and because of this I was picked on even harder. I had no friends and was an easy target not just for kids in my class but for RUclipsrs like idubbbz and more politically Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro etc. I was deeply insecure and had my self esteem shattered over and over again and was told I was "intellectually superior" for knowing "the truth" and not believeing in the "SJW feminist liberal nonsense" I once believed in. Again I should've known better and probably wouldn't have had this phase if I wasn't white but I 100% as an adult realize how taken advantage of I was as a child. I luckily got out of this phase at 16 years old and started to go back to where I was and even further as I am a filthy filthy commie that is openly queer now.
@@iamjustkiwi Absolutley. The right wingers and people like idubbbz would play on peoples insecurity and fears. Many people (understandably) fear loosing their privledge (especially us white folks) and their freedoms. So when the right wing is under the process of normalizing racism in our culture and media, what they do is use fear to aid that. "We can't say the n-word?? Whats next, we can't read books we want?!" Even though it's ridiculous and freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence or freedom from a brutal history, disgusting people will peddel this mindset onto kids who grow up then have kids of their own. This creates a cycle and even though I would never call racists or white people victims (in this context) they definitely don't win. As somebody who fell for this at a young age and thankfully got out of it by age 16, I can promise you -- you don't win. Mindset like this isolates you, destroys your pride and self esteem, you become a worse person and it is poison to the soul. Sorry for long rant but evidently I have a lot of feelings/thoughts/opinions on this.
Wow, I was 21 in 2016. When I was in middle school the edgiest stuff kids said were sex jokes. I cannot recall anyone openly saying slurs, that was pretty much unheard of. Granted, this was in the PNW. But I never would have thought that kids of the next generation would be repeating slurs openly at school just as a "joke". Like wtf.
@@Cyanopteryx Goes to show what an impact what kids watch has. Honestly for most of us I think it was peer pressure to conform, regardless it was definitely insane. We all went to the same classes and understood what it meant, why it was wrong etc.
Can i cash in a kick to the head for enduring his racist apathetic fans while i was in middle school and highschool or does the apology video not include that
Same with me wish people knew that black kids actually were affected by his actions IN REAL LIFE not just the Internet remember when white boys would say the n word around me because the though it was funny
@@zizi6538 shit I wish people would start recognizing black kids are actually kids too. Most folks start seeing them as grown ass adults the second they start puberty, unlike white kids who get to be forgiven and seen as the still growing people they are.
@@zizi6538 how were black kids affected tho???? like im sorry but nowadays 90% of people who say slurs aren't racist, like ik most black people don't give af about the n word
I remember watching him in high school and thought he was the funniest thing. I fell down the Ant-SJW rabbit hole and its something I still feel bad and embarrased about at 21 years old.
Can relate. I'm a sheltered kid in a developing country, unaware of slurs until I came across Idubbbz and Leafy videos. My 2016-2018 self haunts me to this very day.
21yo white cis middle class dude here. I never really watched Idubbz, and didn't find videos dunking on SJWs particularly entertaining, but I was definitely down that rabbit hole, and partook in the culture, including the mocking of so-called SJWs, and that's fucking embarrassing. A lot of my friends are still poisoned by that mentality, and although I've gotten rid of a lot of it, to this day I still find myself being susceptible and giving the benefit of the doubt to harmful ideologies. The only thing I can do is to keep pushing away from that shit.
While I'm not in a position to forgive him for any wrongs he did, what I do appreciate about his Apology is that, as far as I can tell, it was unprovoked. He didn't make it to get out of some drama or in response to someone calling him out. It seems like he genuinely thought it was about time and as much as it's an apology, it's also him saying very directly to his audience that if they're not on the same page that they're not welcome anymore. It's not going to undo what he did, but I do appreciate that aspect of it.
Not exactly the same thing, but I feel the same towards people who are like “Oh, I was a ultra-right winger/neo-nazi a few years ago but I’m different now!” “I was a kid (mid-late teens) and that was just a phase and I was just edgy!” Like.. 🤨🤨
It’s so horrible that so many people of my generation treat being a neo-Nazi as a normal teenage thing like getting ear gauges or listening to Atmosphere
While I empathize with the sentiment, I do think that holding space for people who have done or said bigoted things in their teens to change. There is an altright pipeline, and it specifically targets teens who don't have the nuance or media literacy to understand what they're saying is wrong. It's extremely anecdotal, but I'm gonna talk about my experience with being bigoted and then realising that that's fucked up. When I was 16 I left my religious cult and completely disavowed their beliefs. For comfort, I would watch alot of atheist media, which lead to people like armoured skeptic, which lead to people like shoe on head, which lead to people like Blair white and sargan of akahd. I was extremely transphobic and ableist, which was a form of self hatred because I later came to realise that I am Non-binary and Autistic/Adhd, (and ironic as my best friend of over 10 years was and is a trans man) These vultures preyed on my naievity and lack of critical thinking skills to lead me to think that those ways of thinking were not only logical, but in direct opposition to the religious cult that I hated. I deeply regret all the shit I said and did in those couple of years. All I can really do now is apologise, and try to make my community a bit better by being there. I know that there's a general sense in leftist spaces that bigots will never change, and that we need to 'close ranks', so to speak. And while I strongly believe that the lives and dignity of marginalised groups should always come before parlaying with the bigots, a part of me can't help thinking of smaller me, who really just did need to be talked to and given correct and proper (and non biased) information for me to see the error in my ways. I hope this didn't come across as dismissive or """well, actually"""-ing you. I don't really know how to end this comment lol 😅
On one hand yeah that's just not normal and we should keep emphasizing it, but on the other I am honestly just glad these people, who alr have radical views don't radicalise further due to being too much of a coward to actually own up to their mistakes. It is way easier to go deeper and deeper than to be judged for changing your mind. It just benefits everyone when these people finally wake up and stop or lessen the damage they were doing imo. While for many it is just common sense ig for some it may not be the case. I generally hate the whole 'edgy' more like questioning common sense stuff that some teenagers fall prey to, but it also is concerning how little measures there are to actually give these people some reality check or like make them aware of the dangers of what they engage in just for 'fun' and to be rebel. Growth is what I appreciate, but it doesn't mean I forget.
When he mentioned how he used to think his wife had to just deal with the misogyny of his own fans, I wasn’t accepting the apology (although I respect if his wife did). The fact his own partner became collateral to his online behaviour and that didn’t immediately spark reflection and change from him feels so icky to me. Of course, it shouldn’t take his wife or his fans to correct him and it’s better late than never but it kind of just feels like an “ugh finally!” moment. I think the only people moved by his apologies were those that never lost respect for him which maybe requires it’s own introspection. But if iDubz can do it then we all can so I guess that’s motivational lol.
Yeah that part kinda shocked me. There's so much callousness in being dismissive to the harassment your wife is receiving to the point where you say "i just thought that's what she had to deal with". Being so comfortable with your partner getting harassment because of you is really shitty. Glad he realized it was messed up, but i would have definitely broken up with him.
Yea like, on my own end which isn't the same as others being a white trans person, I'm glad it ever happened at all, but I genuinely just didn't expect him to be anything other than an alt-right megabigot for the rest of his life given how many people double down on things like that
I'm actually kind of moved by the apology, and never had any respect for him to begin with. The reason that I am moved by it is because it shows the ability to change, even when not changing has such big (financial) gains. And it just shows that more people can do it, maybe prior fans that get inspired by the video but also just in general, the ability is there in everyone.
I’m glad he apologized, and I’ll give him the grace to give him a second chance. It seems like his apology is genuine. That being said, I’m also 31 and his content never adversely affected me because I had no idea who he was until like last year
He has also caused huge amounts of damage via his young impressionable fan base. Something I don't even think Idubbz has the foresight to understand, or courage to confront.
I think at the end of the day for most of the white people in these conversations, black people are an afterthought. The n word refers to us, but it's more about how offensive it is. We are an abstraction to them, not a reality. That's why Tana put BlackLivesMatter in her twitter name, but was still mistreating her black "friends". That's why if an actual black person is offended by what's being said, they have to get over it as though the word has no impact.
That especially stood out. I was like "... really? *that's* the thing you're focusing on??" I mean sure he did harass her in person but like, just gonna gloss over *what* you said to her?
@Ethan Hunt This is hilarious. "He didn't do it on his knees while averting eye contact either...do people of color even exist to him??" I won't hold it against people who are reluctant to apologize in the future. He doesn't deserve anyone's forgiveness, but this over analyzing is ridiculous.
The fact as black people and other POC we are basically raised at a young age to make sure we speak properly, be clear, be careful with your words to fit in. Its trained in us that our appearance, words, actions, etc are watched and important and can be used against us. And white creators like this can do WHATEVER and its fine 😩 they can say anything, do anything and as long as the apologize its fine. He can come back from this and nothing will happen. If a POC even says somethig mistakenly they risk everything its disheartening and baffling
his rant about slurs that was reuploaded used to be a part of the tana video, it was at the beginning with all the screenshots and videos of tana saying slurs as well. i didnt even realize he deleted it from the original video until you mentioned how short the tana video was.
I think what surprises me the most is how much the "model minority" idea promotes further racism. My dad immigrated from the Philippines to Los Angeles in the late 70s, and over time, he developed a very conservative Fox News view. He worked a corporate job and had to assimilate in order to go up in the ranks. I remember how proud my Dad was about his success. And how he'd casually say slavery was years ago and Black people should just get over it. Because if he could do it, so could Black people. But my dad used the model minority as a shield to separate himself from acknowledging the ways he was being marginalized. What's worse is that I'm not alone. I have many Asian friends whose parents veered hard right because they wanted to fit in and not associate with the bad minorities.
I really see this as the absolute minimum, which makes it even more frustrating that big creators like Charlie are by downplaying the necessity for speaking out and taking accountability. A lot of white people, especially guys, who came up before this "new age" of bare minimum accountability, are so fucking fragile about this shit. I'm not gonna commend iDubzz for being able to recognize a relatively obvious problem and stop doing it, but I hope it starts a bit of a chain reaction. I hope, in the grand scheme, it pushes the bar up a little. I always get shit on any time I say that 2016 wasn't that different of a time, like oh I'm trying to be superior. No, I was a woman on the internet. I mean... Even if I didn't care about anyone's experience but my own being cis, white and female, I'd still know why it wasn't funny to be the butt of the joke based on my immutable human qualities. You feed the hatred and dehumanizing to people in spoonfuls so that it isn't as shocking and the results will speak for themselves given enough time.
I'm not asking this question to critisise you, and I'm not an idubbz fan, I'm just curious: you say that his apology is the absolute minimum, you obviously don't have to forgive idubbzz at all, nobody has to, but what else do you want from him? Like what more could he do to prove to everyone that he's truly sorry or prove that he's changed?
@@LemonDeadly leaving a comment because i’m curious too. as a queer asian woman who was in middle school and highschool during this bs, i accept his apology. i wanna know what he could’ve done better
@@LemonDeadly no like same genuinely what else do they want genuinely i do not understand. he even said he doesn’t expect everyone to accept his apology and obviously doesn’t want a cookie or anything. he made this apology out of the blue because he self reflected not cause he was pressured or something. no one was talking about him before so it’s not like this is performative. he knew he’d lose a ton of his audience and was fine with that because he doesn’t want those people to be his fans anymore. so i am begging for someone to explain what the hell else they want from him 😭
@@rockification Outspoken anti-racist activism and monetary support of the groups he hurt seems to be the ideal from what I've heard. He pushed the needle one way, now he should work to push it in the opposite direction.
I know in the large scope of things this apology doesn't mean a lot, but to me personally it's the apology i wish i got from all the friends i lost to this shitty alt right rhetoric.
I mean. He is White American. I am not excusing his bullshit. I am just thinking about how fucked USA is that it manages to produce people who lack basic decency and empathy on mass scale.
posting footage of yourself talking about your fav cool slurs to millions of people! and why youre a powerful intellectual warrior for saying them! as a grown adult who probably made enough money to never have to work again. Big joel called it “traumatically embarrassing” and honestly yeah
I think the Tana thing was less about her inconsistency & more about terrorising and feeling superior to (/'owning') a young girl who criticised him publicly online. Like he could've just replied with screenshots, but he spent WEEKS planning, travelling, filming & editing, to go to her meet up (don't forget this was MUCH closer to certain events like Christina Grimmie's death), put his arm around her, and then humiliate her on camera. She was still a TEENAGER iirc, and he was an adult man (with a faceless horde of other adult men behind him, cheering on his every move). I don't like Tana at all, but that would've been so so scary and jarring, & I GUARANTEE she was somewhat anxious about ALL meet & greets following that (HE was non-violent, but who ELSE could've seen that video, and had a lot less to LOSE than him?) I also think it says a lot, however, that he apologised to her before ALL the rest of us young non-white & queer folk, who had to deal with the consequences of his material IMPACT on his fans as PEOPLE, in their real lives.
@@candycandy42069 you mean like he encouraged his fans to do to ME my whole life? I'm sure that really damaged his psyche as a vulnerable transgender 15yr old with C-PTSD...... oh wait, that's me again 🤔
Him describing his empathy by saying he does cry when a dog dies in a film did send ngl, what is it with white people always finding a way to tether their emotions to their relationship with dogs
That is fucking rich. Oh you don't leap for joy when a dog bites the dust? Congratulations on not being a serial killer, your Nobel Peace prize is in the mail.
I just assumed that it is a pretty common thing for people to sympathize with animals more than humans. Which, I get it, animals are innocent by nature, but it was always bizarre how little compassion so many people have over the same cruelty happening to human beings, even little children. I guess there is a reason why cute animals videos are more popular than cute babies.
I think its just awful how some of his old fans are upset at him for changing. I'm not in the place to accept his apology or not, but I just hope there's at least some people who were encouraged by his video to grow for the better. I don't expect most people to forgive him (at least right away), but at least he's trying?
It's not that he's not trying... I think that it wasn't a genuine change. This shift only happened around when he got a girlfriend. It would be great if he genuinely wanted to stop using slurs because he understands the individual harm the use of them can cause, but I don't think this was an original thought of his. Idk. Maybe it's just me. I watched the man throughout my entire highschool. The timing was off and so were the vibes.
@@marybean2231 He was with his girlfriend now wife when he made the Tana Mongeau content cop, she was the one filming and stuff. Not defending idubbbz but it definitely wasn't just his partner
@@winterbelle708 Yeah....she has her own gaggle of haters. I haven't payed attention to either of these people since 2017 but people HATE her. Unfortunately it's mostly because she does OnlyFans, not because what she did or supported.
Firstly, I love that you made this video because I think you added a lot of context and nuance to the situation, which I find to be helpful. I also appreciate the comment that you made about self-preservation because I do the same exact thing. I have the right as a black woman to protect myself from people that are potentially harmful to me and that includes people who say racist shit or act in indifference. I appreciate you saying that and I love your videos and continue to do, what you do.
As a queer black women who graduated high school in 2018, I don't think people realize how tangible the damage he has personally been responsible for within the alt right pipeline, especially during 2016. I was directly affected by Ian and his fanbase, getting called slurs repeatedly BECAUSE of him (like I'd get into arguments w/these kids and they would cite his videos for their "reasonings" and why I was an "SJW") throughout high school since I was one of few black kids in a suburban city in Arizona, which is primarily white. It has had a lot of real life consequences and tbh a little too late. While I'm glad he's apologizing publicly, without proper consistent monetary (not just once) atonement to the communities harmed and being an open and vocal ally, it's hard for some of us to except the apology. It's irresponsible and inappropriate for none black and queer fans to accept the apology on our behalf. Very thankful for his growth as a person but I don't accept it lol. Too soon and it needs time.
This sort of apology isn't mine to accept but I just wanted to say that your perspective absolutely makes sense and is absolutely valid. Hope you're doing well right now.
@@bruhdudeguyman Thank you, I'm doing much better now! I don't think a lot of people know/understand what getting dehumanized on a daily basic in your formative years does to you, I truly don't wish that on any one, especially marginalized children. I really feel for all the BIPOC/Queer kids in school right now, I'm lucky I graduated when I did (which says a lot).
Completely off topic, but omg we graduated from western US suburbs the same year, are both queer women, have the same first name and the same spelling, and my relatives will occasionally call me Maia Papaya!!! :D Sorry I'm unreasonably pumped about this, I rarely see anyone else with our spelling, let alone someone with any other similarities. Anyways, I fully agree with your point that the one time and one video payment is not enough. Every other part of the video felt sincere to me as a queer person (can't speak for the black aspects, I'm white as a corpse), but that bit in particular stood out to me as being like...is that all? Seems to me like he should try to give back at least a portion of his direct adsense money he earned off all his Content Cop vids, just because that'd be the most concrete measurement of what he owes to black and queer communities, not even including the clout and fame that led to other monetary success. Anyway, from one Maia to another, I tip my hat to you, fare thee well on these interwebs.
@@maiarustad5062 Oh hell yeah! I love meeting/seeing other Maia’s, it’s like we’re apart of our own lil club haha! My mom spelled it “Maia” vs “Maya” because she wanted me to be able to dot my “i” with a heart. Super cute (,: Sending you all the best!!! As a part of his Adsense, I’m always cynical and will highly doubt he’ll ever do that cause that’s how he amassed a bulk of his wealth, even if it’s a small portion. Him and Shane Dawson are similar on that front, they grew their personal status/wealth off of deplorable actions but wouldn’t be able to properly atone because that would mean they have to give a way a huge portion of their own personal wealth and well… I wouldn’t hold my breath on that but I’d love to be pleasantly surprised lol!
Right and they get so mad when we say if your not black or lgbtq you can't accept his apology like yea because it doesn't affect you how can they not understand that its like me accepting apology for someone killing a random stranger why would I do that it didn't affected me and I wasn't harmed by it. Honestly it would be really weird if I did just as weird as non black people accepting his apology for saying the n word
growing up, so many of my male friends liked idubbz and the n word was always the thing that made me uncomfortable watching his content. I never understood the drive to use the word but for some reason every single white boy i knew said it behind closed doors around other white people. They weren't even saying bad shit about black people, it's just like they didn't want the word to be off limit to them. I used to have to deal with so much shit for being an "SJW" and while idubbz himself actually makes decent points in some of his older videos and I liked a few of them, his fanbase just had no idea how to act right. His fans, and filthy frank's fans were exhausting. They were incapable of understanding empathy and they were terminally online. There was def a pipeline from idubbz to 4chan to nazism.
@@indiestripper5374 you said it yourself, "They weren't even saying bad shit about black people" why do yall still get mad for someone saying a slur when they aren't even racist??? i just don't understand how people could get affected by a WORD so much, how we gonna move on from slavery and racism if yall gonna act like the victims everytime????
kat i’m not embarrassed to admit that my first ever interaction with your content was through a video blaire white made on you. at the time i took her video at face value as a young white gay man (i would have been like 15 at the time) and gave me a negative outlook on your content but then as an adult i found one of your true tea videos and i felt so dumb that i allowed my younger self to be brainwashed by a right wing figure into not even looking further into who you were and what you really stood for. i know you never knew how i used to feel or who i even was, but i want to say sorry anyway. you’re a true good to this world kat i’m glad you never stopped doing what you do 💝
yup, teaching children all slurs are ok surely had no negative con...........oh it led to a culture of h@r@ssment being acceptable and popularized neo n@z1s "hide your h@tr3d of em jewish and black people behind a joke" tactic............good he apologized and is changing.
The whole idea that some of these slurs are ok and some aren't is so stupid because like you said, it really is just that he feels more comfortable saying certain slurs more than others, but that doesn't mean that those words are ok, they're also very much dehumanising. Honestly, I don't have any strong opinions when it comes to these types of apology videos, I'm always suspicious of them just based on the fact that I've seen alot of these people claim to have changed and they've only changed in the sense that they probably still think its ok to use slurs against people who are problematic like Candace owen or Caitlyn Jenner. I don’t think he's that disingenuous though, but I also can't see myself ever watching any of his future content, even if he has changed.
I think what made him realize that he was doing a horrible job of acknowledging the harassment his wife was getting because of his content was when he himself started to get harassed when his audience found out that she had an OF account. They were repeating a lot of the bs alpha male talking points and these were also people who would've watched his older content. I'm making an assumption without knowing him personally, of course, but it did bother him enough to the point where he made a video that essentially told people to fuck off. It definitely sucks that it took that instance to make him finally get it, but I'm glad that he's recognizing it and taking the time to learn. Not my place to say I forgive etc, but it's been interesting seeing this journey of his.
This video proves why Kat is one of the only politically active creators I still have time for. Too many can't resist the urge to be a hateful, incendiary cunt for clout and create an environment where saying literally anything feels unsafe, so Kat's empathy and composure is always refreshing.
I refuse to interact with people politically because I don't want to be attacked. It feels dangerous to even say that because a lot of people will assume, without context, that I have evil ideas and thoughts. In reality the environment on the left is just so charged that it is difficult to diverge. In some ways that's an advantage because people should be passionate about there beliefs but it very quickly makes a toxic environment
I'm down with hate so long as it's a good person hating on like... A nazi scum bag like richard spencer haha. Nahhh but I get what you mean. Agreed! Kat is wonderful! I'm pissed she's been around for sooo long and youtube never recommended me her channel before because youtube is crapp!
Honestly the fact that he made this video is a pretty big deal imo for a couple of reasons: 1. He doesn’t make excuses for himself, he acknowledges that an apology is not enough and doesn’t excuse his behavior, he recognizes he STILL NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO DO MORE 2. For idubbbz in particular, it’s very important for his audience to see him grow as a person. In particular, the people who enjoyed his old content for the wrong reasons. It’s important for them to see him and for him to say “I used to be you but then I met more people who are different than me and realize that what I was doing was wrong. It’s okay to learn and grow as a person.” I feel like creators who have an audience like his don’t do that very often and have it come across as genuine.
I've been a long time fan of Idubbbz and I strongly agree with everything you had to say here. I've seen every video Idubbbz has made on his primary and secondary channel since like mid 2015/late 2014 and I was also a person who was in Idubbbz's target audience during his rise to notoriety as a deeply sheltered teenage white male in a rich white suburban sundown town (who is now finally happy after getting away from that shithole and starting to transition :3). You absolutely hit the nail on the head about the kind of person Idubbbz used to be and gave a more accurate, fair, and nuanced opinion on this situation than anyone else I've seen talk about it. That's especially impressive considering you probably were the least familiar with him and his content out of anyone I saw cover this. I always hoped I'd see him change like this and got excited when I started seeing inklings of it around 2019 but I never expected him to come this far. I really hope white online leftists don't embrace him as a new figurehead or anything because that's not what he deserves all with his history but I'm glad I can watch the stuff he releases now without worrying that I'm supporting someone who actively holds hateful beliefs towards marginalized groups.
I don't personally have any love towards him so it's good to see a fan having a solid POV. A lot of folks are too quick to accept an apology and move on, but it's a true sign of maturity to withhold judgement until a pattern of change is actually proven, and if it doesn't happen being able to move on. Also it's just good seeing people who can self reflect in an honest way - I really hope this is a skill that more people gain.
The empathy/apathy thing is hell. Ive struggled my whole life to try and be better than i am and what i was raised into but even being in my 30s its hard especially given my temper issues associated with ADHD but im trying. Ive never had any real serious relationships like what you described and idk if i know what that kinda love feels like or if im capable of it. I wish i did not resonate with Idubbbz video as much as i do because I know its because im a very flawed person.
I mean, there is a difference between struggling with empathy/apathy and intentionally using hurtful language, filming it, and profiting off of it for years.
@Alexis C Yeah but for someone who was never taught empathy it wouldn't come across as the bad thing it is. I think that's what Critikals issues is right now.
Getting a handle on emotional dysfunction takes a really long time. Acknowledging it is a real issue and being able to predict when it will likely surface makes it easier. You got this!
me personally i appreciate the effort of waking up and realizing his actions had consequences. It wont change the past but him calling _those_ fans out and watching them flip over it is golden
After finishing watching the apology video, I think the primary thing that makes it such a great apology is that it isn't one. Or rather, it's not a video whose sole purpose is to express "apology." It's way more of a reflection/realization video that contains apologies. It kinda makes me realize that, at least for me, an apology isn't the end goal, it's a stepping stone towards conveying that you get it, that you understand what was wrong, and you have a different outlook and a different goal now. I always hated when I was little and teachers would command me to apologize for something I did, and I never felt like I meant it (or the other kids who were commanded to apologize to me). Those commanded apologies were basically the same as most apology videos are these days: something perfunctory where you say the right script and hopefully allow things to blow over. It didn't come from a place of understanding or intent to do differently, and it seemed like you could always tell.
I hope that one day people like Jordan Peterson can also reconize that having openly racist people in their audience is worth an investigation. (Sorry for the bad english)
As a straight white dude I found it a little odd that so many white creators were so quick to make "it's okay idubbbz, I forgive you" or "you don't need to apologize!" video responses when they weren't even the ones impacted by his rhetoric. When I watched his response I thought "well it's about time, i'm sure a lot of people will appreciate this", not once for a single second did I think the video was directed towards me. I'm a cis white male I'm literally the least impacted group??
I think as we get more and more apologies like this from big white creators, their big white audience is gonna need to get used to actually going through the same growth that their fave went through. them apologizing is not a trump card in a stan war. the common response of applauding and uplifting creators who do put in the work like this seems like an emotional shield for an audience in denial, who doesn't wanna confront the same emotions in their own life. I also think its sort of like a reality check for them, like: "oh, not every black person I encounter on the internet is going to forgive this person or care about this person's apology the way I do. how am I going to respond to that. what does that mean for MY life and how I'VE hurt others." idubbbz life isn't gonna stop and wait for every person he's wronged to forgive him and he knows that, so it seems like he's gonna keep on living in a way that is consistent with his new values without wallowing in self-pity, which may be the best he can do. it's easier for a white audience who was following this sort of content to empathize with white guilt than the tangible harm his content caused towards black people. as someone who is most famous for making a white girl apologize for being racist while literally saying slurs at her, it seems like he gets how much he was centering white feelings in his content, even when he claimed to be fighting against racism. will the former fans of that content ever understand that? I wish I could say yes but that would be overly optimistic. hopefully at least some of them realize that there's more purpose to an earnest apology than cheap, transactional forgiveness. one question that sticks in my mind after watching this is how many other white creators who commented on and profited off that content cop will also apologize? I never watched idubbbz back then but those videos were inescapable on commentary youtube, the tana one especially. you were right to point out that tana was still in the wrong, she was still a hypocrite who said slurs and then turned around and attacked others for doing the same. but idubbbz video somehow turned into THE reference point for that entire situation and I hated how everyone just ignored his hypocrisy or talked around it. nothing was stopping anyone from calling tana a hypocrite on their own, but I guess he did get 19m views so using clips of him must've felt like a necessity or something? I remember feeling like it took away the integrity of a lot of people trying to talk about racism to "side" with idubbbz. even if we did get more real apologies though, like with idubbbz himself, I'm not sure I have the energy to really care at this point.
I know it's only a small part of what you wrote but the part about realizing some people won't accept apologies is something more folks need to get. No one OWES them accepting their apology and it doesn't undo anything. Words are so cheap and easy to use that acting like saying something fixes anything is extremely dumb. As I've gotten older I barely pay attention to what people say anymore and pay a lot more attention to what they are doing, and sadly so many of these apologies seem to be meant as a purification ritual for people when really it's meant to be the FIRST SMALL STEP in changing! I'd love if more folks actually followed through on the great stuff they say in their apology videos, basically.
@@iamjustkiwi right? like I have no clue what idubbbz could do to undo a fraction of what his videos have done. like just the sheer amount of money he made on those content cops, he'd probably have to donate all of his adsense for the rest of his life to match how much he financially gained. and that's just an easily quantifiable metric we have for "harm reduction," which is so much bigger and more nebulous than that.
@@princessjellyfish98 yall acting like the guy should spend millions to "compensate" the "victims" over a WORD. yall have the right to get mad at a slur BUT yall have ZERO rights to DEMAND compensation for something that doesn't even affect you, like being offended over a word is crazy ngl, just grow thicker skin
critical saying it was ok bc of "the time" reminds me of when people used to marry off children and say its ok bc of "the time" despite it not really ever being ok even back then
I remember watching the content cop about tana when it first came out and it was such a mess. it basically is idubbz recapping the meet and greet incident where he harasses tana in public. Then it becomes this massive mental gymnastics exercise where he goes over all the times Tana used the N-word and concludes that the way she uses it is completely horrible and racist. But at the same time, he's defending himself and somehow justifying that when he uses the N-word it's okay because it's funny? The people who think he didn't need to apologize for anything for whatever reason don't get that this was way beyond edgy comedy. That was idubbz giving himself a pass for his own behavior through some really poor logic (the "if all of it's bad, then none of it's bad" quote he mentioned in the apology) and "exposing" a seemingly even worse person and throwing them under the bus. If anything, that was the one apology he needed to make out of all of them. Also I loved that the one content cop you watched for the video was the one about reaction videos, very much enjoyed the "Kat reacts to Idubbz reacts to Jinx reacts to whatever" it was both fitting and weirdly topical lol
"you can't use this word there's a history........well all these other words have a history *shows a bunch of other unacceptable and obscure slurs and teaches a new slur*" i mean we could not use slurs that affect groups we're not part of.........or at all.
@@ddjsoyenby the whole train of thought there is so baffling because anyone from a marginalized group group would immediately go “none of it’s ok” but for whatever reason white people eat this kind of argument up? And I really don’t know how that argument is helpful to idubbz there because if anything he’s demonstrating that he knows slurs have a historical impact, he just doesn’t care and wants to use them. And the worst thing is that entire justification only came to be because Tana of all people called him out. Not you know, any of the various minority groups he’s referring to with his slurs because I don’t think he cared about their opinion. But to another white youtuber who tried to start shit on twitter and turned out to be the perfect scapegoat
I initially thought it was pretty silly to call a video "the best apology video", but now I get what people mean by that. There was no current internet scandal requiring him to do an apology video now as a sort of PR move to avoid losing followers, he was honest about using racism for his own financial gain because it is an quicker way of getting youtube followers than developing a video persona that attracts views (instead of that weird thing where they say they said the n-word because they had depression), and look at that! No possibly fake tears on camera! Jesus, youtube apology videos sure have a formula.
As an autistic person I've been called many things. And I'm the same way, when it comes to slurs that are meant towards me. If someone calls me the r-word that doesn't offend me as much. I don't really use it even though there are a few neurodivergent people and people in the disabled community reclaiming it, because I personally don't want to invoke the word. What I REALLY hate is when allistic or neurotypical and able bodied people who use medical terms or names of disorders as slurs or slang. Like people who say someone is being autistic as a synonym for "idiot" or the r word. Or I guess I just hate the general misuse. Like people who say someone has ADHD because they are a busy body or people are OCD because they're a clean freak. I've confronted some people in the past who were using autistic as a slur who've gotten to know me somewhat. I've said things like, "Hey, I'm actually autistic you know." And then they would look at me uncomfortably or all of a sudden infantilize me or something. 😂 I feel like there definitely needs to be a discussion as to why saying things like something having "autism" that equates it to being "stupid" is dehumanizing, even though the word itself isn't a slur. The intent or lack of awareness is frankly appalling.
I'm autistic And I think calling things autistic is funny And think Ian's apology was a phony attempt to Distract from the froggy fresh situation by apologizing for somthing no one cared about until he apologized Different strokes I guess
I definitely resonate with this. I'm what many would label "high functioning" because I am well spoken. Though, I couldn't even finish high school and got through middle school solely because a couple of my teachers forged my final grade (despite being described as very bright since age 9 and winning a district award for writing), not being diagnosed with combined ADHD and ASD until young adulthood will do that to you I suppose. The situations someone has felt justified to use that term to describe me have been few, mostly fueled by a dislike for me and seemingly an urge to spit vitriolic things to hurt my feelings or make me feel less than. All it really made me feel was upset that others thought it could ever be appropriate to try and make another feel subhuman, even if their words mean nothing to me. I am not everyone, and I've always had an uncanny ability to let people's bullshit roll off my back. It bothers me more to see it happen to others, or for people to use autistic as a synonym for stupid, less than, etc. I know how people perceive me and their thoughts on my level of intelligence, I am much more bothered about how that usage affects people's ideas of those typically seen as "lower functioning" which can often mean as little as just someone who's nonspeaking. It's already assumed nearly all the time that those of us who don't speak can't hear or process speech either, which is ridiculous. Not even getting into all the nonspeaking individuals that could write circles around those lame asses. Intellectual disability is not synonymous with autism, either. It wouldn't make that behavior okay even if it was, but the cherry on top is also that it's completely unfounded.
I was thinking about why I feel the need to fall all over myself praising a white man that reforms his ways. And the conclusion I came to is I'm kind of low key scared of them. In particular I'm scared of them picking up an AR15 and blasting me and everyone in my vicinity. So I feel like by loudly praising men who pull through that phase and reform themselves so maybe some other men will see that and think about reforming themselves, instead of blowing me away with a semi-autonatic rifle. I probably sound hyperbolic but I live in Texas and I've already been shot at once (not hit, thank God.)
Oh crud you're right I've wondered on occasion why I feel the urge to vocally defend these kinds of guys even when (like in this case) I was never really involved in them or their content. Youre totally right, fear plays a big part, and a desperate want to signal to other guys in his demographic that his bare minimum is the right way to go and will be rewarded. Welp, you've given me a much needed existential mini crisis, thank you.
I think the love to empathy thing goes like this First, you have to love yourself. Once you love yourself, you can love someone else at the depth required for that next phase. Once you love someone, your capacity for love grows. It's why some people have a change after a spouse and then again after a child. I think it's what happened to Simon Cowell 😂😂😂 Ian didn't love himself, he was insecure and he wanted to seem strong so he treated others like they had to put up with his shit and just take it. Once he started being okay with himself and had a GF, he started to change. And now that he's actually head over heels for his wife and more secure in himself, he is catching a glimpse at a much greater pool of love and empathy. Alot of his fans haven't reached this place and never will. The way they were a mirror of him, he is a mirror of them. And amidst their self loathing BS they will hate him IMMENSELY for taking this route. They don't want to change, they don't want to be wrong, they don't want to admit that this capacity for change is what they need to be happy ultimately. While he doesn't deserve a parade or anything, I do hope for the best in terms of that backlash. I wouldn't want to see those creeps he helped raise fuck him over now that he's actually a decent person. Especially the assholes he often dunked on in the past, who still deserved his scathing words and frankly worse even if he wasn't the ideal messenger.
You can always tell when an apology is made after growth. I am not saying that he has become perfect, but he is trying which is a lot more than most do.
Honestly although I still disagree with it if guys like this laughed at things like "male genocide" I'd understand them wanting to use slurs a little more. But no, without fail they're offended. The hypocrisy has to be seen to be believed. I don't think anybody *should* be expected to take comments made about their entire group lying down, but if you take comments made at groups who aren't you sound asleep you've got issues.
Yeah that's the whole issue I have too. I have been mercilessly harassed for saying "white people" and making fun of a white nationalists. If I joke about men at all they take it seriously. It's very bizarre... but I'm expected to take the n word as a joke. lol.
@@KatBlaque The darnedest thing is most people who say things like "bring on planet matriarchy" are definitely joking. It's a coping mechanism. They don't want to see men slaughtered in the streets. But people who use the n word are more often dead serious, and even when they aren't the blindness to the fact that many are serious is truest.
There’s this great quote by bell hooks and the gist of it is that when women say things like “men are trash” or “kill all men” it’s rarely meant with sincerity and is rather an incomplete way of expressing that men are so attached to patriarchy that we struggle to imagine a world in which patriarchy exists but men do. When men say those sorts of things towards women, I have less reason to believe it’s actually a joke given, well, [gestures at history]. I’d say it definitely applies with jokes about white people vs. while people using the n-word too.
@@fionatastic0.070 I want it added I don't even like saying these things myself. But I have unimaginable patience and some degree of privilege not living somewhere that makes me fear men. I don't expect others to be in the same position, will explain to my dying breath why men saying these same things carries different implications.
@@fionatastic0.070 I agree with the idea of the ‘edgy double standard’ (people being offended by jokes about men but fine with jokes about minorities) because that’s definitely a thing but those jokes have always made me so deeply uncomfortable for some reason and l wish there was room to talk about that without being called a pick me. Especially TikToks making fun of the male suicide rate. Obviously people can say whatever they want and I get that its often a coping mechanism but personally I just wish there was more of a conversation about it.
The same way black peope were ignored and silences when they spoke up and told him his shit was offensive and racist many moons back; are once again being told to accept his apology. I'm tired of non black people, mainly white, being too scared to label someone racist. He is racist. It's not ignorance. How can it be ignorance when he sat on his chair and told us that the n-word isn't a big deal and words only hurt if you let them, edited the video, uploaded and still continued. His buddy Ethan Klien used to say the same shit, now their loved ones are being attacked, all of a sudden words hurt 😊. Trisha takes the piss and attacks him for things he can't change, he gets coddled and defended. When he used to do the same.
Tip about opening cans with long nails: use a butter knife or some sort of blunt blade to slide under the tap and push it up with the tool, nails intact! Awesome video as always ❤
It was a really solid apology and I'm hoping it serves as a blueprint for his fans or former fans, to see that they can change and grow as well. If people are never allowed to change then we're doomed
From what I remember about the Tana situation he was more upset that Tana was acting ashamed if saying the n word rather then her being racist. I haven't seen the content cop have only watch the rice gum one but was active in following the fall out on drama channels.
As a transkid who used to watch idubbs, that hit. It literally is exactly a way to describe just that feeling of my relationships at the time. I know you wouldn't like me but hey im a rlly big fan, and it just describes all the friendships i had at the time. Like he was just so unaware, of their experience, and that kid apologized before they were even acknowledged. Being a discord kid is just, im ugly crying right now. That was just every friendship i put in so much energy to sustain, every white person i tried to make regular, ok, not abusive. Picking apart everything they said just to make sure it was ok. That parasocial relationship i had with idubbs, was so reflective of everything around me. Idubbbs has been important and impactful in mine and so many other kids exiled. But then I looked around and was like, omg, wait, look at the other people exiled.(more then you). Wait omg lets talk to them. Lets see them. they deserve my energy and my love, omg im so glad they see the hope and humanity in me. And they have been through so much, this deserves my energy, growth, and life plan. And you just follow that even though your parents told you not too. And well a lot more but now i think i sound silly so. Thank you cat. This would make a lot more sense in person. Im high, which is why i was able to cry so much. Really though, thank you cat, for being brave and showing us you, like youre cool asf.
I think part of what makes this apology successful is that he's been pivoting his behavior and content for years now. It seems this context wasn't brought up but the boxing thing refers to him and his wife organizing a big annual charity boxing event called creator clash (and from what I've seen this event emphasizes safety and kindness much more than other influencer boxing projects). People who were hurt by his normalization of slurs online definitely do not owe him any forgiveness but I think it's for the positive that one of the biggest edgelords of that era of youtube is trying to make up for the damage he's done.
he just stood so ten toes down during his peak its like…😪 . if the apology helps his conscious and furthers his growth then great . he went with the unassuming kurtis conner look for this . its like you said, bold
I'm glad someone else saw it, Kurtis being such an unproblematic guy made me upset that idubbz basically bogarted his look! You don't get to just hijack that look my dude, you gotta earn it by being better.
It’s really interesting to realize that some people just don’t really develop empathy until they’ve had certain experiences in the world. This isn’t to make me sound superior, because obviously I didn’t always perfectly understand racism or oppression as a child, but it is very revealing to me, I guess. It makes me understand a little bit about how people come to the conclusions they come to. All the same, I’m glad it’s something people can eventually develop. Or, hell, even if you can’t develop empathy, just developing an idea of how the world works and what your impact on it is. I never watched iDubbz and I always just kind of dismissed him as one of those edgy RUclipsrs from a period of time when I was mostly realizing I was trans and also watching edgy atheism videos, but it is good to see people like him seem to *truly* change, rather than dismissively apologize like “sorry if you got offended” or whatever. It would be great if more people like him were able to have the kinds of life experiences that really showed them the reality of & consequences to their actions. Or, obviously, if people were just able to connect with others in the first place and skip over the whole bigotry phase.
I know this is a one year old comment but I'm going to add that as someone who works in a hospital, and has throughout the height of COVID, a lot of people REALLY won't get it or change their mind until something really horrible happens to them or someone they love.
I have some grasp on it as someone who has an odd relationship with empathy myself (due to various things like my upbringing and autism as well) and also some interest into how people with stigmatized mental disorders learn to get a handle on some forms of empathy. The truth is that there's kinds of empathy you naturally have, and kinds you can actually learn and integrate manually. All people seen as "typical" learn and integrate cognitive empathy to a certain degree, whether that be a great degree or a very small one. Affective empathy is usually something people are either born with or without (but also exists on a spectrum), or is permanently damaged/gone after the development of something like aspd, for some individuals. There are also other aspects of this like sympathy and it's not all super concrete. The basic idea is that there are different kinds or facets to human empathy and that some are learned while others simply cannot be, but that it is possible to integrate some kind empathy if you're committed to that development.
i say this as a person who watched all this content as it was coming out ( also have been a viewer of yours for a long time ❤) and was affected by idubbz content. watching that apology made me cry bc this the first time ive a racist come to the light lmaooo
Idubbz said he is 32. others have said that these videos/content of his were from 2016-2017. So he was a 25/26 year old man when he created those videos. Not a kid.
I guess I'm caught up on the term "edgy". I thought "edgy" meant meant ultra-modern, cutting edge and challenging social norms. His videos just seem anti-social to me. "Antisocial" & "edgy" can feel the same, but they are not the same thing.
Kat I’m gonna be real, I think your video on this topic has been the best and most nuanced take on this apology that I’ve seen. I am white and most of this is not my apology to accept at all, I can only speak on the queer issues as a trans and gay person. I feel very similar towards it as you do, like everything you were saying was exactly how I felt about this entire situation. I think it was a genuine and decent apology, especially for a RUclips apology. I’m not gonna become a big fan or anything, but I can acknowledge he seems like he’s growing and changing, but the hurt he has caused is irreversible and huge. I can appreciate he’s growing and changing, but I don’t need to be there for that journey. I wish him well and I do hope he continues to grow, but as a queer person who is also very anti racist, the hurt he’s caused has been immense and it’s been too long with him doing nothing about it. Better late then never though I guess. I also appreciate he’s donating money to black trans women, I wish more people would put their money where their mouth is when apologizing online like this. I just hope he continues to do good with his money and raise awareness about the communities he’s hurt and it doesn’t just die down after all this blows over. That’ll truly show he is actually genuine and does care and wants to do better. That would actually help those who were hurt, and help actually make up for some of that damage and not just be words that may not even be genuine because we don’t know what he is actually thinking. I’m just glad there will now be one less person making hurtful content that does a lot of damage while also indoctrinating others to cause even more damage, and it almost feels cathartic to hear him apologize as someone who’s been affected by his homophobia and transphobia in the past because of his fans. I genuinely do appreciate that there was some effort and it wasn’t just a bunch of “woe is me I was in a dark place” nonsense and fully just addressed everything and explained why it was wrong and was just to the point and admitting it was all fucked up. But once again, not exactly my apology to accept on behalf of the racism. I do not blame others if they don’t accept or like the apology, I get it and that’s understandable and reasonable. I can also acknowledge that as a white person maybe I’m giving him too much credit in all this and I don’t understand the full impact as a person not affected by the racism. So I think it would be best if I don’t become a fan, I don’t think it’s my place to tbh. So yeah, wish him well and appreciate that he did this, but I’m not gonna be there for his journey. I do wish more people would apologize like this though.
as a white autistic person, the normalisation of saying the R-slur and the genual ableism on the internet made me hate myself and my disaility. him contently using the slur just let the word be so normalise to the point that people don't realise it a slur. it only now that people are realising that they shouldn't be using it but there still along way for people to stop saying it.
This video is hella long so here are some timestamps
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07:42 Reacting to Idubbz confronting Tana
13:33 Watching “The N Word Explained”
18:50 Beginning to Watch his apology
28:11 Pausing to watch Content Cop for the first time
32:32 Getting back to his apology
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Full Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
01:09 Patreon Ad
01:47 Introducing topic
03:46 Personal Opinion of idubbz
04:39 Privilege and being sheltered
07:42 Reacting to Idubbz confronting Tana
12:20 Tana’s White Liberal Hypocrisy
13:33 Watching “The N Word Explained”
18:50 Beginning to Watch his apology
20:48 When your audience doesn’t want you to grow
23:05 idubbz clarifying his position
24:44 The impact on your audience
28:11 Pausing to watch Content Cop for the first time
32:44 It’s funny cuz it’s a slur, not cuz it’s funny
32:32 Getting back to his apology
35:48 Struggling to pivot/ bigotry is lucrative
39:24 Racism, humor and irony
43:11 A RUclipsr’s responsibility to their audience.
51:05 Widening your perspective, leaving your bubble
01:04:40 Love and expanding empathy
01:07:06 Conclusion
Thank you!
Thank you for the time stamps!
I'm not doin shit. I'll watch the whole thing, THANK YOU!
36:32 The big problem with feeding the mob is they'll turn on you the second you displease them.
What’s the song called in the conclusion
For me, as a mixed black person who is queer and fat, when i hear slurs, it dosent make me 'offended.' It simply tells me i am not safe where i am, and i need to leave. That i am not welcome. But if i say that outloud, white people will go on and on about how they arent racist and i am allowed there and bla bla bla
Its like even me simply LEAVING when people are racist has to be a political argument or whatever, but them using a slur that is racist dosent even matter
It interesting that if you do call them out, They will gaslight you & Try to make you feel bad about it.
I confronted a so called friend making a racist joke on FB once. And he tried to turn it around on me by responding, it was a joke and nothing more than a joke. You are being over sensitive and over reacting and need to open your mind.
As someone who’s also half black, who gives a fuck it’s just a word.
It's interesting because white people only see it as political when we feel like our freedom of speech is under attack, when in reality it's just the nature of being an uncomfortable person to be around.
@@QBon34 as someone who is black we know your're not half black but just white...freak
“People have described it as one of the better apology videos…” I mean that’s a LOW BAR
its probably one of the best in comparison to all of them 💀💀
True. But I think it ticks a lot of boxes for real apology as discussed by whatshername from Canada.
yes, it's a very low bar, but when most of the "youtuber" apologies we get are just performative, we'll take whatever we get. As a leftist, I do like to celebrate change and growth.
The bar IS low but I actually liked the apology because it felt sincere. He actually meant what he said. They usually don’t.
@@mementomorgan6721 the apology wasn't also in response to being called out or being cancelled, so that's a plus
The way Kat basically calls everything in the apology video before it happened is honestly impressive. Shows her insight into the creator mentality is unmatched.
That GOT ME
Totally agree
when you’ve been up against people like this multiple times for most of your life it’s not too hard to pick up on
She saw the video before filming this. Lets be real.
@@CompleteMuffin there you are, never disappoint to show up ...
I've noticed that these types of people view slurs as some sort of OP ability in a video game that they're not able to have. It's the resentment that's so weird to me. I noticed this a lot during the slurs against white and straight people discourse. These guys truly don't understand that the reason there's backlash to these slurs in broader society is because they were used to strip groups of people of their humanity in order to justify atrocities committed against them. They aren't simply rude insults.
Yep!!
I can't speak on the state of education as is, but my generations education regarding black history was horrible. I think our education system has seriously failed, and is failing our society when they do not require those horrific events to be exposed.
Germany, from what I've learned, strictly denounces the Nazis in their education and they don't sugarcoat how evil it was the way we sugarcoat history in the states.
The stories I have learned over time are absolutely appalling... It is absolutely shameful that history is completely misrepresented in this country. It definitely contributes to this high level of apathy people have regarding the issues black people face...
👏 👏
@@Luminousmorrow I'm Canadian & big same here - the state of our education system, which includes very little about Black or Indigenous history, is similar and by design. The RCMP (the red coated "Mounties" that tourists love so much) were originally formed to forcibly move Indigenous people off their lands for the Hudsons Bay Company. That is the foundation of so-called Canada. This is not taught so that corporations can continue to run pipelines through Indigenous lands (many of which are historically unceded) and Canadians won't blink. When there is protest by Indigenous land defenders, the RCMP cracks down hard. Canadians are either silent or think land defenders should stfu and move out of the way of "progress". The way Germany teaches history is astounding to me. I'm sure it's not perfect but at least Germans are not having to figure out what to do with all their statues of Hitler.
Definitely! When I was an edgy teenager I saw these words as on the exact same level as saying private parts-words and just as a word for black people that black people forbid you from using. I was literally reacting the same way as when my sister would not share things with me - it's extremely immature. I heard that it's bad because of slavery, but that too was an abstract concept that I didn't relate to violence, akn to having a shitty boss and getting food and shelter but no cash. I'm not American I have to say and internet was my only source of information. My wakeup call was when the police murdered a very soft, very nice black child going home with a ketamine injection and my friends at the time.... definitely stopped seeing black people as human beings and used the word as a "true" slur, and it was no longer edgy but gut-wrenching. That's when the violence of it all clicked for me and I think that's how you transform an "edgy kid with no true hate" into a normal person. Show them a very bad video and see if the empathy is still there.
as someone who used to consume quite a bit of idubbbz's content (and is not proud of it at all), it's really wild to me that he's made one of the most seemingly genuine youtuber apology videos i've ever seen. i honestly never imagined he'd make a video like this, which goes to show how overdue and deserved it was
I never knew him
I am white and watched these types of videos when I was very young, around the age of 10, and I grew up in a very conservative, puritanical religion, so this kind of humor definitely appealed to me for the shock value. I think on some level, it was the catalyst for me leaving my religion, but I wish I could have found a better gateway, because I was desensitized at a young age and was exposed to some questionable groups of people. Like adults who found it okay to harass and threaten children and queer people (also often young) because it was "funny"
I appreciated his apology and it felt truthful. The only thing that pisses me off as a black person is how much his previous audience showed their true colors. Hearing things like "it wasn't that bad" or "i thought it was funny". Like how did he go in depth on every single thing he did and people still made excuses? The apology was serious but ppls response was not. Kinda ruined it for me.
It also can be seen as his final content cop, one on himself. That also highlights the change, because this video couldn't be more different in tone and editing. But yeah, leave it to the people who have been clowning him and his wife for years to hijack the conversation.
Yeah because unbeknown to him, that's the audience he cultivated. He used slurs without being a sincere racist, but the racists followed him and identified with him for it. This is the unfortunate story of creator that lead a far far more reactionary crowd than he intended. Him understanding that, what he did wrong and putting a stop to it, is the only thing that matters, and he did that. Reactionaries can stay mad all they want, and they can go somewhere else to deal with their daddy issues.
@@Nina-cd2eh He acknowledges that's the people he's engaged, but because he kept making excuses for himself, he felt he wasn't responsible for THEIR racism--he was only responsible for his own; and for his own "racism", he used to believe he actually wasn't--he was just being edgy. But according to the apology video he has realized that his actions and words enabled racists to be racists with actions, and he makes it clear that he doesn't want to associate with them, even though he knows he can't excuse himself for all his actions and this may be something that follows him for the rest of his life.
Because unfortunately that's the audience that he has fostered and honestly the fact that they reacted like that only proves how right he was about the shitty impact he had. The things he's admitting being guilty of in the video are evidenced as plain as day by the comments themselves. The kind of move he pulled here was one that was obviously going to get backlash because he was this 'daddy' to all these bigoted idiots and I respect the fact that he's just being like 'fuck all of you' now. You can't expect anything more out of these clowns, I've seen these silent bigot types all over the place, ppl like Cr1tikal and Boogie2988 are exactly the type that like to act reasonable in front of a camera making the most lukewarm takes in the world while they continue to propell the status-quo further. They're cowards of thought designed to impress the most easily impressed idiots, people who have never put on the work in their lives and genuinely think that "common sense" is a metric of social analysis (it's COMMON for a reason right??? it's COMMON because it is the driving ideological force of the status-quo)
White people were really out here comparing the stats of different slurs like it's fantasy football
I’m not saying I’d buy a slur based trading card game…. Buuuuut.
@@SadBirbHours Was this supposed to bother someone
@@ftlmead2584 No
White people can have opinions on whatever we want ty
We do not need your permission
So the poor reaction to this is probably happening because these people aren't ready to have that mirror put up to their face. He was ready, but those fans were not.
It's reinforcement that this is a topic that needs to be heard in a very loud way..
Nailed it! These are important conversations to have.
That’s definitely the impression I have. The few videos I’ve seen are from people I would say are insecure in a similar way he was.
His fans are still mad he stayed with his girlfriend after she started doing onlyfans.
Like 50% of comments for a while where just calling him a gay cuck and it was pretty pathetic. I started liking his videos more when he was just messing around with slime or building something. Suprisingly wholesome videos, and his fans just hated them. Kept saying he "lost his edge" and was a "pussy" now.
I wouldn't be surprised if looking at his own comments where what got him thinking: "wow, most of the people who like me are not only awful but they're really fucking dumb".
So yeah, if you needed an idea of just how stunted some of his longterm fans were, many of them became adults and still call people cucks. So it's just as bad as you could imagine, and it's also as bad as you can't imagine 😅
@@robertyeah2259 I totally see what you mean. From what I saw, many comments were so upset that he "allowed" his wife to keep her last name.
They call us fragile, but bro... A last name just shattered your reality 😭 it's absolute insanity.
he also said that those aren’t the people he wants as “fans” anymore
To his credit iDubbz doesn't seem like he thinks he deserves a cookie for having basic human decency lol. Like he knows some people are never going to fuck with him and that's just life.
Moistcritikal on the other hand really shocked me because his response makes no sense and I'm starting to re-evaluate how I feel about him. This is just speculation but, I wonder how he really feels about trans people. I was just curious so I just searched it in RUclips and he rarely talks about trans ppl. He barely mentioned Mr Beast's trans friend and that feels like a video topic he would normally do. It feels like he's avoiding the subject.
Honestly I've always been a bit skeptial about Moist. To me, he always has really basic takes and avoids topics that are too "controversial" (like the MrBeast one) to appease both sides of his audience. I notice he does have a reasonably sized conservative fanbase. But I was happy to see that a good chunk of his fanbase was also giving him flack his response to the idubbbz video, so that's good.
hes definitely avoiding the subject, though i do remember him using peoples pronouns correctly so he gets a little credit i guess. bare minimum lol
@@gothgrrl8711 idk about giving him credit for that lmao
The thing about Charlie is that although he has a very specific persona as “the gamer who isn’t a complete chud” he is a conservative and a racist as his default, it’s very obvious
@@Macheath-n2b that's a pretty extreme thing to say with 0 basis
I've never watched this guy, but I used to watch pewdiepie. And he went through a similar story, if anyone remembers. I used to think he was being ironically edgy, judging by his girlfriend and his friend pj, he also reminded me of my own friends. But the way he responded to criticism was not it, and I realized that he's not someone I want to watch anymore. this guy's apology is something I wish pewdiepie had said at the time. Saying that he doesn't want to be r*cists' cup of tea, etc. It's nice that idubz is loudly announcing that he doesn't stand for the offensive "edgy" stuff he used to promote. And I'm glad you're talking about this situation, bc otherwise I wouldn't have known this is going on at all
The whole fiverr, gamer word, New York Times saga... it's all so disappointing, and you're right. He had a chance to self-reflect there, and he didn't.
I'm not having anyone excusing him because he's Swedish either. He was a privileged, sheltered and racist Swede who couldn't take accountability-- but being Swedish was hardly the problem factor in that equation. Many of us thought he was embarrassing himself here.
I was wondering if pewdiepie would come up w all this, he was in his little 👌🐸nazi era for a minute and nobody ever brings it up now and its super weird. Like there were enough incidents that it had a genuinely rancid vibe beyond edginess. Weird times
I had the same thought. How Pewdiepie refuses to come out and call out the really terrible people who feel endorsed by him is wild and all of that would change with one video of him telling them to fuck off
Especially being Indian on the internet became literal hell after Pewdiepie did those "diss tracks" which contained heaping helpfuls of racism and punching down. I can't stand him.
I used to be harassed by actual Nazis on this platform for criticizing either. I would bring up racism in regular (ie: not Nazis) RUclipsrs comments and be harassed for days. I would call out specific actions by iDubbbz and pewdiepie and be told “physical, in-person harassment is fine” (which always made me worry they’d do it to a Black creator) and “there’s nothing wrong with ALL manners of hate speech and violence, because it’s the internet.”
People are really showing their ass in their responses to this video. “It was just acceptable at the time, he shouldn’t apologize”. Like no, it was never okay. And it says a lot about you if you think that. People were speaking up at the time about how offensive this type of content was. I didn’t spend years of getting called an sjw and triggered snowflake for people to turn around and say that “nobody knew any better”
Not to say that I was a perfect ally at the time or that i didn’t have things to learn. But the narrative that this type of content was completely acceptable at this is so wrong.
Omg yeah, I feel like I’m in a time warp with grown adults acting like 2016-2017 was some long bygone era where no one was vocally condemning this behavior. This was the height of GamerGate, Trump election, all the alt right shit.
If he was from 2007 era RUclips I would be slightly more understanding of someone giving it the “it was a different time” excuse, although it still would have been just as unacceptable and wrong - I feel like if you grew up in the US past the year 1980 you should know better than to just say the n word even as a joke. Not okay.
i feel like people need to understand that slurs are just words that has history, they literally do nothing to harm anybody, THEY ARE WORDS, i mean bitch was a slur and now people use it normally, why can't the same be said for n word ???
When you said "do the work" to stop being a racist it really has me thinking about how so many white people are raised up to be scared of black people to the point where they avoid friendships with black folks their entire lives. Even when it isn't deliberate, the learned anxiety causes awkwardness and avoidant behavior. It has to be a continuous deliberate effort to escape that. I wish more people knew that. I'm grateful for you voicing these types of topics the way you do, it's important work.
This is incredibly true. The segregation that still occurs geographically is a huge part of it as well, unfortunately.
Yep! One of the strangest things I’ve interacted with is white liberals being anti racist but still being very afraid to interact with me. Every time they do it’s like they’re doing exposure therapy or something but they’ll get on their high horse about racism around other white people. It really does take actual work and I don’t think most people get that
I am not afraid of black people, but I did have to eventually realize that I was raised in a very racist household (in Switzerland). It is an ongoing effort to actually click n videos that are titled in a way that reveal most likely my previous assumptions and attitudes were racist. It is also a disappointing process, as I don't think of myself as a bad person, I just think I'm always trying to do better and change this aspect of me, but there is always more to be found, either with how society has changed or with me having to confront my biases and realizing they were not based in anything but the things that were passed onto me by my dad. I do have friends who are black, they don't think I'm racist, they know I'd want to hear it if I did something to make them think that. It's not as bad as I put it now, but this conversation and this process of changing from a racist past is not happening. I wish this was more normal...
I am not afraid of black people, but I did have to eventually realize that I was raised in a very racist household (in Switzerland). It is an ongoing effort to actually click n videos that are titled in a way that reveal most likely my previous assumptions and attitudes were racist. It is also a disappointing process, as I don't think of myself as a bad person, I just think I'm always trying to do better and change this aspect of me, but there is always more to be found, either with how society has changed or with me having to confront my biases and realizing they were not based in anything but the things that were passed onto me by my dad. I do have friends who are black, they don't think I'm racist, they know I'd want to hear it if I did something to make them think that. It's not as bad as I put it now, but this conversation and this process of changing from a racist past is not happening. I wish this was more normal...
@@corneliahanimann2173 I felt this. Just keep pushing for better until you're rid of all that indoctrination.
I don’t accept his apology, but I appreciate it. That’s how most marginalized feel about his apology (except some also don’t appreciate it as well which is also valid because it is a bit overdue).
Yknow what I don’t appreciate? Critikal’s response which is basically saying he didn’t need to apologize (yes he did LMAO).
critikal while he is funny and seems to be an okay dude has shown himself on a few occasions to be kinda closed minded
“I don’t see how his videos could possibly hurt me so there’s no possible way they could have hurt other people”
My impression of him is he's very sheltered, even though he's a bit older than you'd expect a sheltered person to be. I don't watch many of his things, but it seems like he still lives with his family?
Fuck Moist really disppointed me with that take. Ngl
@@KatBlaque See, I was big fan of Penguinz0 before this and I knew he had centrist tendencies, but I thought he was more center-left, and part of me still feels like he is but in reality it seems like he’s just a apolitical figure with average takes, but this average take happened to be dog shit. He doesn’t live with his family though, he lives with his girlfriend and his pets in Florida.
The response to his apology, proves we haven’t made it far when it comes to progress in online and offline spaces.
It weirdly feels like it has been getting worse lately. Like nearly every comment section is filled with people being hateful for no reason and with very little visible backlash as well
I mean, idk. Coming as a black woman who grew up in these communities when Idubzz and all these other edgy white male RUclipsrs were popular, it's kind of shitty to me how white men like him contributed to this normalization of anti Blackness and racism, and now that the damage has been done, he can just apologize and we should all accept it and move on. "Everyone makes mistakes" and thats true and all, but where was that grace for the black content creators and nerds who had to deal with the onslaught of casual, edgy white men who hid behind their racism with "jokes?" Who had to deal with being harassed by hundreds of people for calling out these creators? It's great that he reflected and apologized, but I don't blame people for not forgiving him or even trusting the sincerity of it. They don't have to.
Yeah, i've only seen parts of Moist's video about the situation, but it was so strange hearing him discuss a time on RUclips where I was very much mercilessly harassed as a very even keeled, not that controversial time. Like... some of us had to actually deal with lots of shit all the time. I have the thick skin I have because I had to wake up every day reading people calling me slurs. What bothers me is that while I dealt with that, he gets to benefit from his former racist content AND now his apology. Meanwhile, black creators are still dealing with white creators taking every joke they make seriously and tearing them down because we do not provide the same amount of sympathy to creators who aren't white men. It's very annoying.
@@KatBlaque IMO Moist's video was terrible and he never really accounts for a perspective other than his own. There was this whole tone of "you don't need to apologize for something because I enjoyed it" and I think he even said something similar to that out loud in the video. It was very jarring to hear that because he very much does need to apologize for the shit he did, even if people found it funny, and it's weird that people don't understand that.
I agree with you fuck them all. I'm glad that black nerds are making their own online spaces now so the new generation of black nerds growing up don't have to deal with or see half the bullshit we had to deal with in the nerdy, alternative spaces mainly had wannabe "edgy" racist white ppl being the only thing pushed to them and given significantly larger platforms.
You already didn't fully fit in for having alternative interest then what is expected for the average blk person then when you are looking for community online you are meet with waves of racism and extreme criticism for the most minut shit. Meanwhile these ppl can dress up like Nazi's, wear blackface, scream racist slurs and always be forgiven and keep getting fat checks in spite of everything.
@@j.a.terlato2461It’s literally what you say, because “I enjoyed it”. He still hasn’t seen that part of himself to be problematic and so he sees other people saying it is as wrong because he doesn’t agree at this point. That’s all I can see in it really. I feel the same sentiment from most of the people reacting. They don’t see any issue with any of the things he said.
Charlie got fucking ratioed by his own subscribers for his bad take.
I think the funniest thing about the tana mongeau situation is how idubbz fans will still try to justify it by saying she told him to kill himself. And it's just so funny to me that these "edgy" slur saying gamer goblins are acting like they're above or even against telling someone to kill themselves
Lol yeah I noticed that. I don’t get the dissonance
@@KatBlaque honestly I think it's really simple, they're a real person and the people they're saying that stuff to isn't. To them. I doubt they realize this but they tell on themselves when they react like this.
it’s also weird that he got so butthurt about that when he told keemstar to kill himself??? and ian’s major thing was “don’t dish it if you can’t take it”. he couldn’t take being told to off himself, but he could dish it out??? interesting 🧐
@@reckless_herb THAT'S LITERALLY MY REACTION TOO, I was waiting for Kat to clip in him telling keemstar to kill himself as soon as the screenshot of Tana's tweet came up!
I mean he obviously chose to call her out since she was only 18 and literally wasn't even that bad- like most people I knew hadn't even heard of Tana before the video. All his other content cops were made on large, infamous creators who were unanimously hated- Keem was a POS asshole who started drama, Leafy bullied children and autistic people, Reactors stole content, Kids channels seek to manipulate children for views, and Ricegum is just an asshole- but Tana just told some fake stories and didn't even do much. There's also the whole yk- traveling across the country to see her in person just to say the n-word at her panel. The gap between the level of spite he took towards this person compared to what she did to deserve it is astronomical- I can see why he chose to single her out.
Breaking news, this just in, one person in the edgelord community puts in the hours to grow a normal amount of empathy.
It's a pretty decent apology video but you guys ... Don't scroll down if you go watch it. Just don't do it
I regret it every hour.
Now I wanna do it and fight with everyone lmao 😂
I did and it was terrible. He told them the truth about themselves and they hated it. Good on him though. Love is a wonderful thing. He is lucky.
why the fuck did it take him so long too? He could have apologized when people criticized him. He could have apologized when all the BLM marches in 2020 really kicked off. He could have apologized when Jenna Marbles made her apology and a bunch of other youtubers followed suit. Nah he waited till way after all of that and deserves a cookie for doing it this late.
@@Zectifin Because this is when he happened to grow enough to see the error of his ways. He said himself that even in 2022, he was still coping and couldn't admit to himself that he was a bigot. Not saying that justifies it, but that's the reason why.
as much as his apology seemed genuine (i don’t know anymore, when it comes to things like this i don’t trust people anymore), all this reminds me of is how his content had gotten me subjected to so much vitriol and hatred all for my skintone. i personally am not going to forgive him as a black person mostly because i think it’s too little too late, but…i dunno.
And you shouldn't be forced to forgive, I've noticed a lot of pale-faces try to demonise you for not forgiving, like we aren't going to be hounding him like how the pale-faces do to us but I mean, it's really cheeky for a white person to determine how a black person should feel regarding racial trauma.
Not trusting public apologies is a good reflex imo. It's done to save face 95 percent of the time. Folks need to judge people on the whole of their actions, not just their most recent words. Words are free, being different requires active effort.
You don't owe him any forgiveness. Anybody telling you you need to be instantly chill just because he did what seems like an genuine apology arn't interested in the real process of healing.
You don't owe idubbz forgiveness. I'm so sorry for all you've endured and the online culture he helped create.
No one is entitled to your forgiveness. If you're not feeling it you're not feeling it.
The way our privileges us rob of empathy is wild & I could lay this critique at the feet of white supremacy but where many of us hold privilege we hold this impulse to oppress. This video enlightened me on spaces to grow
So true. It feels like the hardest thing for us to do on a societal level is to genuinely EMPATHIZE with folks we see as """"below us"""". I guess that kind of point of view is the problem itself and yet it's so common...lots of people want to see others as lesser instead of finding things to take pride in within themselves, but if the only way you can feel good is to say " I'm better than that person", you've already failed.
@@iamjustkiwiyou’re so right about some people needing to see others as “lesser” and it explains why when you confront people who have different biases, they cling to any reason or shred of “proof” to demonize the other rather than looking for reasons to understand anything different from them.
@@iamjustkiwi I truly believe from experience (my circumstances exposed me to wildly different class environments, which being from the working-poor class makes class-travelling/code-switching really obvious to me) & from reading academic research across several areas that inequality is, among many other ill effects it has, responsible for so much unnecessary interpersonal strife & personal unhappiness. & the wider that gap gets, the more amplified those ill effects get.
He did what alot of white people do with the whole "either all slurs are ok or none". This belief of if they can't say it then no one can, cause they have to be included.
Spot on. Even when I consumed his content (I was like 13 I cringe at myself) I never was on board with that...like ofc all slurs are bad is this hard? It's honestly a bit of the white people want to be oppressed ideology.
@@stuffwithsoph8264same experience. Yep, never bought that either. It was clearly such a wild argument to me. YEAH slurs are all bad. YES the own group can use it to reclaim the word. What's hard to understand?
Which is ridiculous: all slurs are bad. The way, he called progressives "retards", that was not ok either.
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I think he addressed that, doesn't make it right, but he did say in his video that that was a very dangerous way of looking at these things. I always feel like, as a white person, we've benefitted immensely from colonialism, racist preferential treatment and not having our physical safety threatened because of the colour of our skin. And yet there are white people who still think it's "unfair" that we can't say the N-word when rapping along to a song 😂.
No one who practiced slavery ever went to prison for all their rapes, and torture, criminal negligence and murders, but somehow these white people think we got the short end of the stick. It's just ridiculous.
I want to make a proposal:
All wealth stolen from Africa and other Western colonies have to be returned, reparations need to be paid back to the descendants of enslaved Africans, all governmental policies that have excluded black people from enjoying the Post WW2 economic miracle have to be reversed, all police that have been proven to use unnecessary lethal force against innocent black people need to go to jail for murder, the prison industrial complex needs to return all their profits gained from jailing black people for petty drug crimes (possession, use), electoral victories gained through racist gerrymandering need to be overturned, black musicians and athletes exploited through contracts need to be compensated for their losses, the victims of Katrina need to be financially compensated for the governmental negligence, the KKK and other white nationalist organisations need to be criminalised and forced to pay retrospective community service to the black community for their crimes, the FBI and CIA need to compensate black organisations and African governments respectively that were undermined through their actions in the 20th century and medical institutions that did harmful tests on black citizens need to compensate them or their descendants for this.
Let's make things fair first. Then and only then can we talk about whether or not the use of the N-word is allowed for white people.
@Robbie Dubbelman it won't be. Idk I just have never felt the need to say slurs that don't apply to me :/
As someone who grew up in Sweden (in a very ethnic European community and the only dark skin/black person i saw growing up was adopted from south India) i really don't understand the difficultly in *not* being racist. I really think that growing up in more diverse communities really helps children understand diversity and such but many countries don't have the same history of diversity as the USA and still don't grow up to be racist (or have a racist "era" in their youth). I dont understand why its so difficult for so many online personas to not use slurs
"But slurs are funny and you're silencing my freedom of speech. Smh feminism has ruined comedy."
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I think it's you coming from an ethnically very homogenous area that makes it difficult to understand. Many people seem to believe that racism just evolves out of thin air, when in reality it's a mixture of racist propaganda and experiences. So many times have I seen white people go "I'm not a racist, I just genuinely don't like black and brown people in my country, because they commit crimes and destroy my culture! I *have* a reason! I have experiences to back me up!"
@@maschaorsomething Don't forget about systemic issues. America has such a toxic individualistic culture that we sometimes forget about system that were put in place a long time ago that still reinforce r4c1sm.
But no we took down this one r4c1st white guy, and racism is no longer a thing /s
@@maschaorsomethingdiffuculty understanding what? that making assumptions of a entire ethnic group based on the actions of 1 person is wrong? or difficult to understand what is and isnt racism?
Kan tyvärr inte säga att jag har samma erfarenhet. Jag är kines-svensk som du säkert kan se på mitt namn... min bästa vän är afrikan-amerikan adopterad från USA. Min andra bästis är etniskt delvis same. Vi fick en hel del rasism riktade mot oss när vi växte upp. Detsamma gäller de andra synliga minoriteter jag växte upp kring (området var relativt diverse, men absolut majoriteten etniska svenskar eller européer. Få afro-svenskar.)
Jag håller med om att Sverige inte har samma historia av rasism som USA, men jag vill inte heller säga att Sverige inte har någon historia alls-- det tycker jag är väldigt förhastat. Tvärt om tycker jag att svenskar ibland har en ganska nonchalant attityd till vår egen rasism, för att det inte ser ut exakt som den gör i USA. Islamofobin till följd av flyktingkrisen 2016 har knappast hjälpt heller. SD är tredje största partiet i riksdagen, men vägrar erkänna att deras politik är byggd på hat mot diverse minoriteter. Många av SDs väljare vill på liknande sätt inte erkänna vad partiet står för.
DET har varit mitt stora problem med xenofobi i Sverige. Faktumet att majoriteten inte vill erkänna den xenofobi som faktiskt finns här, och därmed vägrar att ens veta av de upplevelser jag och andra minoriteter har haft.
Dock växte jag upp i Småländska bibelbältet, och området är väl inte helt känt för att vara särskilt progressivt.
The amount of people completely dismissing and downplaying the harm that he himself is admitting to is infuriating yet expected. I was hoping you might make a video on this, and I was right! I really appreciate the length of the video and hearing your in-depth perspective on this. It was definitely reassuring to listen to someone with some sense after seeing some of the ignorant comments left on his video. I've seen many lackluster youtube apologies over the years and this was one of the few decent ones. I hope that he continues to do the work and hopefully his fans will learn something from this.
I can only speak as a queer person that was affected by his content: I was in my mid-twenties when I first came across Ian, and the thing was that I actually thought he was pretty funny at times and clever, but good lord, the way he was so trigger happy (no pun intended) with slurs DEEPLY bothered me. Like, the fact that he and his fanbase proudly called themselves n-word f-slurs was disgusting to me, and weird, and just unfunny. I lived in a bigoted environment (and this was 2016 and I was living with a homophobic step-parent who was openly hostile to me), so I used youtube as an escape. But if you remember the climate on youtube back then, "edgy," racist shit used as humor (but also just straight-up racist shit) did NUMBERS on youtube, and idubbbz's videos were a huge part of that. He didn't invent that environment, I wouldn't even say he 100% cultivated that environment, but LORD, he certainly helped it. And speaking as someone who had the f slur hurled at them multiple times when they were a kid, it was the bottom of the barrel in terms of humor and content in general. And by his own admission, he had no empathy and did not care that he hurt others, and it showed. It was gross, it majorly turned me off. I figured he was another bigot and stopped paying attention to him after the Tana thing. After a few years I'd heard he was different, more mature, and while I liked that, I couldn't fully believe it until I heard it from his own mouth (which he did a little bit on Anthony Padilla's video).
Again, I'm only speaking for myself here as a queer person and not anybody else: I wanted an apology and I got it. Ian seemed very sincere to me and genuinely regretful. Do I think it stops there? No, of course not. I sincerely hope he continues to work on himself every day. But I can't turn my nose down at someone who is a different person and wants to do better, or at the very least, is trying to do better. I don't have a problem giving him a little grace here. I'm happy he's changing for the better. And I'll give Ian credit: he's said on twitter that the only people he wants to hear from are the groups of people he's hurt. I think that shows (to me, I could be wrong cuz I don't know the guy) that he understands there are people who won't forgive him, and that's fine. And I don't judge anybody for not wanting to accept it. I won't be subscribing to his channel any time soon, but for me, he's fine. I don't want to hold any more bitterness towards him. I mostly feel incredibly bad for the misogynistic abuse his wife has had to put up with from actual nazi's, all for the crime of being a sex-worker and being partially responsible for Ian changing. I also can't help but feel bad for the amount of shit Ian is getting from his old, awful, toxic fanbase. I hate to say it, but he kinda shot himself in the foot with that. Now he has to deal with that tenfold. 🤷♀Hopefully those anti-social weirdos can...idk, just stay in their basement or something. Stop interacting in the wild. Just change and grow as a person. (apologies for the essay.)
There’s also an element to it where its just kinda... cathartic I guess? To hear him, someone, anyone really, finally admit how fucked up all that shit was? I feel like there has just sort of been this tacit acceptance of “oh yeah that was a kind of problematic phase of online culture, but wasnt it fun and wild?”, and everyone involved has quietly moved away from it. At least with this the tide of discourse will probably turn on a dime (as it always does) to “yikes, and oh by the way i always thought so actually”, a la shane dawson. (Edited to add - normie straight white discourse that is. Your average twitch stream consumer)
I was like 17 when the tana thing happened, and I was fucking SPIRALING about how nobody online could even see how that filthy frank, idubbz et al cultural zeitgeist had probably contributed to literally creating the alt right, mostly bc kids my age had grown up on this shit. (edit edit im not saying put these people in the stocks now or whatever cause who the fuck cares about them specifically, but some like. Thoughts about, effects of things, sociopolitically, would be nice,) That content cop was so transparently stupid and awful, it was so maddening to me that noone would say it. It is some consolation that maybe male commentary youtubers will perhaps start stating the fucking obvious about all this now.
She made him change? I read the she was right there with him when he was being racist. So her white femism schtich doesn't move me.
How were you affected by his content? Just don’t watch it you weirdo
@@okayokayfineilldoit Right?? When the Tana video came out I was TRIPPING OUT over the overwhelmingly positive response. Little Joel actually said this in his video about Ian (which Ian commented on and agreed with, so I’m glad he sees that, too!), but spending money on tickets, traveling out of state, buying merch, paying extra for a meet and greet, only to say “saaaaay n-word!” very happily, to someone barely 18 years old…is DEEPLY unhinged, anti-social behaviour. And then to go on a tirade about how “either all of it’s okay or none of it’s okay,” completely unchallenged and PRAISED, man, I thought I was living in fucking Opposite Land. It was legit scary. Again, I commend Ian for changing and appreciate him apologizing. I genuinely wish him nothing but the best and I hope he makes content he’s proud of. But there’s been a lot of damage done, unfortunately. I imagine he’s gonna feel guilt about this for awhile. But hey, at the very least he finally woke up. If he stayed the same he would’ve just been another Sam Hyde, except probably infinitely more successful, and THAT’S freaky. And boy, are him and those freaks fucking loud.😬
Well said, I fully agree
Kat rolling her eyes while saying "oh it's 20 minutes" while she herself is incapable of making a video less than 40 minutes lmaooooo
Hahahahah!!!!! When I edited this video this particular part killed me lol. I think my audience is used to it tho lol
The sweet sweet irony of an hour long video, I just love it, I hope the next one is a feature length filum
@@nailinthefashion filum? I hardly know um!
@@mikehammerbach9413 Mike, you're the best
@@KatBlaquethis is why we drink tea and listen 🌱
It's actually surreal because in a sane world the discussion would be about maybe how sincere the apology was, maybe coming to terms with the extent of the damage he did and what steps you might think he should take to attempt to right his wrongs. But then you look at what all these RUclipsrs are saying and on white people land, apparently the debate is whether or not he even did anything worthy of an apology in the first place
Seriously. I can't stand that (and I'm sorry for bringing his name up, it won't happen again) people feel the need to speak on Moist Critical's view of the situation. The fact that he came across as an idiot is his own problem, but do we really need other people to weigh in on what he said when what he's saying is so clearly irrelevant to what the apology was even about?
Like gee thanks Critical. Thanks for completely derailing the conversations we should be having 🙄
Ikr
Funnily enough as a member of his audience when he said either all of it's okay or none of it's okay I went you are right none of it's okay. And as someone who fell under a lot of the minorities whenever I watched his stuff I felt very alienated by the very reactionary unsympathetic core audience. I liked his criticisms of ricegum and keemstar but didn't love his methods. But every time I commented under his videos I ended up arguing with most his viewers about mostly misogyny and homophobia and it made me pull away from him and his content. I am happy to see that he is changing his content and approach to his audience and I hope that one day he will end up being my cup of tea.
I have a long history and a LOT of feelings about idubbbz and this particular arc of his. I was about 13 in 2016 and I can tell you the damage this did to kids my age was insane. The amount of people my age (including myself) that somehow had all the education we received in school and from POC why the n-word isn't okay erased. The freedom of speech bullshit argument really did a number on us and the really edgy kids would say n-word f-slur just casually.
I WANT to defend free speech but it feels like everyone who is super adamant about it's importance only seems to want to be free to say hurtful stuff so that kinda sucks...most folks can go through their whole lives without saying the things he loved to say without being "oppressed" so it seems more like a him problem he wants other people to fall for.
@@WaterCursor51 Yeah 100% tbh I was peer pressured into consuming that sort of content and it began to warp my perspective and twisted it. I mean I should've known better I received a good education that frankly was quite leftist in it's practice but 2016 saw the "anti-SJW" rise and I, as a very VERY insecure, damaged young girl who was just starting to acknowledge my attraction to women and having undiagnosed autism got bullied a lot. I was super feminist and outspoken, I used to go on rants in class about dress codes and how sexist it is etc and because of this I was picked on even harder. I had no friends and was an easy target not just for kids in my class but for RUclipsrs like idubbbz and more politically Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro etc. I was deeply insecure and had my self esteem shattered over and over again and was told I was "intellectually superior" for knowing "the truth" and not believeing in the "SJW feminist liberal nonsense" I once believed in. Again I should've known better and probably wouldn't have had this phase if I wasn't white but I 100% as an adult realize how taken advantage of I was as a child. I luckily got out of this phase at 16 years old and started to go back to where I was and even further as I am a filthy filthy commie that is openly queer now.
@@iamjustkiwi Absolutley. The right wingers and people like idubbbz would play on peoples insecurity and fears. Many people (understandably) fear loosing their privledge (especially us white folks) and their freedoms. So when the right wing is under the process of normalizing racism in our culture and media, what they do is use fear to aid that. "We can't say the n-word?? Whats next, we can't read books we want?!" Even though it's ridiculous and freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence or freedom from a brutal history, disgusting people will peddel this mindset onto kids who grow up then have kids of their own. This creates a cycle and even though I would never call racists or white people victims (in this context) they definitely don't win. As somebody who fell for this at a young age and thankfully got out of it by age 16, I can promise you -- you don't win. Mindset like this isolates you, destroys your pride and self esteem, you become a worse person and it is poison to the soul. Sorry for long rant but evidently I have a lot of feelings/thoughts/opinions on this.
Wow, I was 21 in 2016. When I was in middle school the edgiest stuff kids said were sex jokes. I cannot recall anyone openly saying slurs, that was pretty much unheard of. Granted, this was in the PNW. But I never would have thought that kids of the next generation would be repeating slurs openly at school just as a "joke". Like wtf.
@@Cyanopteryx Goes to show what an impact what kids watch has. Honestly for most of us I think it was peer pressure to conform, regardless it was definitely insane. We all went to the same classes and understood what it meant, why it was wrong etc.
Can i cash in a kick to the head for enduring his racist apathetic fans while i was in middle school and highschool or does the apology video not include that
That would require a just world lol...sadly we aren't there quite yet.
Same with me wish people knew that black kids actually were affected by his actions IN REAL LIFE not just the Internet remember when white boys would say the n word around me because the though it was funny
@@zizi6538 shit I wish people would start recognizing black kids are actually kids too. Most folks start seeing them as grown ass adults the second they start puberty, unlike white kids who get to be forgiven and seen as the still growing people they are.
@@zizi6538 how were black kids affected tho???? like im sorry but nowadays 90% of people who say slurs aren't racist, like ik most black people don't give af about the n word
I remember watching him in high school and thought he was the funniest thing. I fell down the Ant-SJW rabbit hole and its something I still feel bad and embarrased about at 21 years old.
Can relate. I'm a sheltered kid in a developing country, unaware of slurs until I came across Idubbbz and Leafy videos. My 2016-2018 self haunts me to this very day.
@@LouPendergrass11 I get it. I'm sure there are people I hurt back then
21yo white cis middle class dude here. I never really watched Idubbz, and didn't find videos dunking on SJWs particularly entertaining, but I was definitely down that rabbit hole, and partook in the culture, including the mocking of so-called SJWs, and that's fucking embarrassing. A lot of my friends are still poisoned by that mentality, and although I've gotten rid of a lot of it, to this day I still find myself being susceptible and giving the benefit of the doubt to harmful ideologies. The only thing I can do is to keep pushing away from that shit.
While I'm not in a position to forgive him for any wrongs he did, what I do appreciate about his Apology is that, as far as I can tell, it was unprovoked. He didn't make it to get out of some drama or in response to someone calling him out. It seems like he genuinely thought it was about time and as much as it's an apology, it's also him saying very directly to his audience that if they're not on the same page that they're not welcome anymore.
It's not going to undo what he did, but I do appreciate that aspect of it.
Not exactly the same thing, but I feel the same towards people who are like “Oh, I was a ultra-right winger/neo-nazi a few years ago but I’m different now!” “I was a kid (mid-late teens) and that was just a phase and I was just edgy!” Like.. 🤨🤨
Yeah very strange lol.
It’s so horrible that so many people of my generation treat being a neo-Nazi as a normal teenage thing like getting ear gauges or listening to Atmosphere
Edward furlongs character got MURKED at the end of american history X
While I empathize with the sentiment, I do think that holding space for people who have done or said bigoted things in their teens to change. There is an altright pipeline, and it specifically targets teens who don't have the nuance or media literacy to understand what they're saying is wrong.
It's extremely anecdotal, but I'm gonna talk about my experience with being bigoted and then realising that that's fucked up. When I was 16 I left my religious cult and completely disavowed their beliefs. For comfort, I would watch alot of atheist media, which lead to people like armoured skeptic, which lead to people like shoe on head, which lead to people like Blair white and sargan of akahd. I was extremely transphobic and ableist, which was a form of self hatred because I later came to realise that I am Non-binary and Autistic/Adhd, (and ironic as my best friend of over 10 years was and is a trans man) These vultures preyed on my naievity and lack of critical thinking skills to lead me to think that those ways of thinking were not only logical, but in direct opposition to the religious cult that I hated. I deeply regret all the shit I said and did in those couple of years. All I can really do now is apologise, and try to make my community a bit better by being there.
I know that there's a general sense in leftist spaces that bigots will never change, and that we need to 'close ranks', so to speak. And while I strongly believe that the lives and dignity of marginalised groups should always come before parlaying with the bigots, a part of me can't help thinking of smaller me, who really just did need to be talked to and given correct and proper (and non biased) information for me to see the error in my ways.
I hope this didn't come across as dismissive or """well, actually"""-ing you. I don't really know how to end this comment lol 😅
On one hand yeah that's just not normal and we should keep emphasizing it, but on the other I am honestly just glad these people, who alr have radical views don't radicalise further due to being too much of a coward to actually own up to their mistakes. It is way easier to go deeper and deeper than to be judged for changing your mind. It just benefits everyone when these people finally wake up and stop or lessen the damage they were doing imo. While for many it is just common sense ig for some it may not be the case. I generally hate the whole 'edgy' more like questioning common sense stuff that some teenagers fall prey to, but it also is concerning how little measures there are to actually give these people some reality check or like make them aware of the dangers of what they engage in just for 'fun' and to be rebel. Growth is what I appreciate, but it doesn't mean I forget.
Seeing him speak in his apology video vs seeing him idk however many years ago, feels like watching someone who has been going to A LOT of therapy.
Therapy doesn’t destroy your personality
When he mentioned how he used to think his wife had to just deal with the misogyny of his own fans, I wasn’t accepting the apology (although I respect if his wife did). The fact his own partner became collateral to his online behaviour and that didn’t immediately spark reflection and change from him feels so icky to me. Of course, it shouldn’t take his wife or his fans to correct him and it’s better late than never but it kind of just feels like an “ugh finally!” moment. I think the only people moved by his apologies were those that never lost respect for him which maybe requires it’s own introspection. But if iDubz can do it then we all can so I guess that’s motivational lol.
Yeah that part kinda shocked me. There's so much callousness in being dismissive to the harassment your wife is receiving to the point where you say "i just thought that's what she had to deal with". Being so comfortable with your partner getting harassment because of you is really shitty. Glad he realized it was messed up, but i would have definitely broken up with him.
It did tho? He changed a while back
Yea like, on my own end which isn't the same as others being a white trans person, I'm glad it ever happened at all, but I genuinely just didn't expect him to be anything other than an alt-right megabigot for the rest of his life given how many people double down on things like that
I'm actually kind of moved by the apology, and never had any respect for him to begin with.
The reason that I am moved by it is because it shows the ability to change, even when not changing has such big (financial) gains. And it just shows that more people can do it, maybe prior fans that get inspired by the video but also just in general, the ability is there in everyone.
@@carimavandijk1091 I'm not so optimistic but I'm glad he did. Its not an easy thing to do and most people can't.
I’m glad he apologized, and I’ll give him the grace to give him a second chance. It seems like his apology is genuine. That being said, I’m also 31 and his content never adversely affected me because I had no idea who he was until like last year
Corny
He has also caused huge amounts of damage via his young impressionable fan base. Something I don't even think Idubbz has the foresight to understand, or courage to confront.
Kind of a gag to apologize to Tana before all Black ppl
I think at the end of the day for most of the white people in these conversations, black people are an afterthought. The n word refers to us, but it's more about how offensive it is. We are an abstraction to them, not a reality. That's why Tana put BlackLivesMatter in her twitter name, but was still mistreating her black "friends". That's why if an actual black person is offended by what's being said, they have to get over it as though the word has no impact.
That especially stood out. I was like "... really? *that's* the thing you're focusing on??"
I mean sure he did harass her in person but like, just gonna gloss over *what* you said to her?
but he said it as well with minorities and black people in the same sentence im confused
Yeah, but he apologized to Tana first. That order matters. It shows where his priorities are and what is most at the front of his mind
@Ethan Hunt This is hilarious. "He didn't do it on his knees while averting eye contact either...do people of color even exist to him??"
I won't hold it against people who are reluctant to apologize in the future. He doesn't deserve anyone's forgiveness, but this over analyzing is ridiculous.
The fact as black people and other POC we are basically raised at a young age to make sure we speak properly, be clear, be careful with your words to fit in. Its trained in us that our appearance, words, actions, etc are watched and important and can be used against us. And white creators like this can do WHATEVER and its fine 😩 they can say anything, do anything and as long as the apologize its fine. He can come back from this and nothing will happen. If a POC even says somethig mistakenly they risk everything its disheartening and baffling
his rant about slurs that was reuploaded used to be a part of the tana video, it was at the beginning with all the screenshots and videos of tana saying slurs as well. i didnt even realize he deleted it from the original video until you mentioned how short the tana video was.
Ahhhhh that makes sense. It definitely felt like an odd video, but that was one of the only ones I've seen.
I think what surprises me the most is how much the "model minority" idea promotes further racism. My dad immigrated from the Philippines to Los Angeles in the late 70s, and over time, he developed a very conservative Fox News view. He worked a corporate job and had to assimilate in order to go up in the ranks. I remember how proud my Dad was about his success. And how he'd casually say slavery was years ago and Black people should just get over it. Because if he could do it, so could Black people. But my dad used the model minority as a shield to separate himself from acknowledging the ways he was being marginalized. What's worse is that I'm not alone. I have many Asian friends whose parents veered hard right because they wanted to fit in and not associate with the bad minorities.
I really see this as the absolute minimum, which makes it even more frustrating that big creators like Charlie are by downplaying the necessity for speaking out and taking accountability. A lot of white people, especially guys, who came up before this "new age" of bare minimum accountability, are so fucking fragile about this shit. I'm not gonna commend iDubzz for being able to recognize a relatively obvious problem and stop doing it, but I hope it starts a bit of a chain reaction. I hope, in the grand scheme, it pushes the bar up a little.
I always get shit on any time I say that 2016 wasn't that different of a time, like oh I'm trying to be superior. No, I was a woman on the internet. I mean... Even if I didn't care about anyone's experience but my own being cis, white and female, I'd still know why it wasn't funny to be the butt of the joke based on my immutable human qualities. You feed the hatred and dehumanizing to people in spoonfuls so that it isn't as shocking and the results will speak for themselves given enough time.
I'm not asking this question to critisise you, and I'm not an idubbz fan, I'm just curious: you say that his apology is the absolute minimum, you obviously don't have to forgive idubbzz at all, nobody has to, but what else do you want from him? Like what more could he do to prove to everyone that he's truly sorry or prove that he's changed?
@@LemonDeadly leaving a comment because i’m curious too. as a queer asian woman who was in middle school and highschool during this bs, i accept his apology. i wanna know what he could’ve done better
@@LemonDeadly no like same genuinely what else do they want genuinely i do not understand. he even said he doesn’t expect everyone to accept his apology and obviously doesn’t want a cookie or anything.
he made this apology out of the blue because he self reflected not cause he was pressured or something. no one was talking about him before so it’s not like this is performative. he knew he’d lose a ton of his audience and was fine with that because he doesn’t want those people to be his fans anymore.
so i am begging for someone to explain what the hell else they want from him 😭
@@rockification Outspoken anti-racist activism and monetary support of the groups he hurt seems to be the ideal from what I've heard. He pushed the needle one way, now he should work to push it in the opposite direction.
@@starchilde8698 he literally did that tho. he donated to organizations helpme
I laughed at *you* laughing at him confronting Tana.
I laughed at myself laughing at it too when i was editing. lol
Gosh you two, now I laughed at these comments.
I know in the large scope of things this apology doesn't mean a lot, but to me personally it's the apology i wish i got from all the friends i lost to this shitty alt right rhetoric.
He was well in his 20s telling folks it’s ok to say slurs. He should’ve BEEN knew this was wrong
I mean.
He is White American.
I am not excusing his bullshit.
I am just thinking about how fucked USA is that it manages to produce people who lack basic decency and empathy on mass scale.
right? grown as hell acting a fool
People in their 20ies are known for not acting very grown. Usually around 30 people start to actually mature, before that it's just parties and drama.
posting footage of yourself talking about your fav cool slurs to millions of people! and why youre a powerful intellectual warrior for saying them! as a grown adult who probably made enough money to never have to work again. Big joel called it “traumatically embarrassing” and honestly yeah
@@maschaorsomething even so, 20 is hardly 15. The standards can be lower but they shouldn't be that low.
I think the Tana thing was less about her inconsistency & more about terrorising and feeling superior to (/'owning') a young girl who criticised him publicly online. Like he could've just replied with screenshots, but he spent WEEKS planning, travelling, filming & editing, to go to her meet up (don't forget this was MUCH closer to certain events like Christina Grimmie's death), put his arm around her, and then humiliate her on camera.
She was still a TEENAGER iirc, and he was an adult man (with a faceless horde of other adult men behind him, cheering on his every move). I don't like Tana at all, but that would've been so so scary and jarring, & I GUARANTEE she was somewhat anxious about ALL meet & greets following that (HE was non-violent, but who ELSE could've seen that video, and had a lot less to LOSE than him?)
I also think it says a lot, however, that he apologised to her before ALL the rest of us young non-white & queer folk, who had to deal with the consequences of his material IMPACT on his fans as PEOPLE, in their real lives.
:/ she kept telling him to khm...
@@candycandy42069 you mean like he encouraged his fans to do to ME my whole life? I'm sure that really damaged his psyche as a vulnerable transgender 15yr old with C-PTSD...... oh wait, that's me again 🤔
@@august1451 are you white?
Him describing his empathy by saying he does cry when a dog dies in a film did send ngl, what is it with white people always finding a way to tether their emotions to their relationship with dogs
Hahaha I thought of that too! They’ll cry over a puppy but then argue that Tamir Rice deserved to die. It’s wild
That is fucking rich. Oh you don't leap for joy when a dog bites the dust? Congratulations on not being a serial killer, your Nobel Peace prize is in the mail.
It's almost like a running joke at this point. That dogs are more human to them than black people.
I just assumed that it is a pretty common thing for people to sympathize with animals more than humans. Which, I get it, animals are innocent by nature, but it was always bizarre how little compassion so many people have over the same cruelty happening to human beings, even little children. I guess there is a reason why cute animals videos are more popular than cute babies.
They kiss dogs and root for animal rights before they root for human rights of another skin...crazy
So happy to hear you say "you are beautiful and you are loved" again!! I was so bummed at the time when I realized you had stopped saying it
I’m nostalgic so I’m bringing it back!
I think its just awful how some of his old fans are upset at him for changing. I'm not in the place to accept his apology or not, but I just hope there's at least some people who were encouraged by his video to grow for the better. I don't expect most people to forgive him (at least right away), but at least he's trying?
This is the internet, you're not allowed to change or grow up on here.
It's not that he's not trying... I think that it wasn't a genuine change. This shift only happened around when he got a girlfriend. It would be great if he genuinely wanted to stop using slurs because he understands the individual harm the use of them can cause, but I don't think this was an original thought of his. Idk. Maybe it's just me. I watched the man throughout my entire highschool. The timing was off and so were the vibes.
@@marybean2231 He was with his girlfriend now wife when he made the Tana Mongeau content cop, she was the one filming and stuff. Not defending idubbbz but it definitely wasn't just his partner
@@stuffwithsoph8264 SHE WAS COMPLICIT IN THIS LIKE THAT?? oh wow
@@winterbelle708 Yeah....she has her own gaggle of haters. I haven't payed attention to either of these people since 2017 but people HATE her. Unfortunately it's mostly because she does OnlyFans, not because what she did or supported.
Firstly, I love that you made this video because I think you added a lot of context and nuance to the situation, which I find to be helpful. I also appreciate the comment that you made about self-preservation because I do the same exact thing. I have the right as a black woman to protect myself from people that are potentially harmful to me and that includes people who say racist shit or act in indifference. I appreciate you saying that and I love your videos and continue to do, what you do.
As a queer black women who graduated high school in 2018, I don't think people realize how tangible the damage he has personally been responsible for within the alt right pipeline, especially during 2016. I was directly affected by Ian and his fanbase, getting called slurs repeatedly BECAUSE of him (like I'd get into arguments w/these kids and they would cite his videos for their "reasonings" and why I was an "SJW") throughout high school since I was one of few black kids in a suburban city in Arizona, which is primarily white. It has had a lot of real life consequences and tbh a little too late. While I'm glad he's apologizing publicly, without proper consistent monetary (not just once) atonement to the communities harmed and being an open and vocal ally, it's hard for some of us to except the apology. It's irresponsible and inappropriate for none black and queer fans to accept the apology on our behalf. Very thankful for his growth as a person but I don't accept it lol. Too soon and it needs time.
This sort of apology isn't mine to accept but I just wanted to say that your perspective absolutely makes sense and is absolutely valid. Hope you're doing well right now.
@@bruhdudeguyman Thank you, I'm doing much better now! I don't think a lot of people know/understand what getting dehumanized on a daily basic in your formative years does to you, I truly don't wish that on any one, especially marginalized children. I really feel for all the BIPOC/Queer kids in school right now, I'm lucky I graduated when I did (which says a lot).
Completely off topic, but omg we graduated from western US suburbs the same year, are both queer women, have the same first name and the same spelling, and my relatives will occasionally call me Maia Papaya!!! :D
Sorry I'm unreasonably pumped about this, I rarely see anyone else with our spelling, let alone someone with any other similarities.
Anyways, I fully agree with your point that the one time and one video payment is not enough. Every other part of the video felt sincere to me as a queer person (can't speak for the black aspects, I'm white as a corpse), but that bit in particular stood out to me as being like...is that all? Seems to me like he should try to give back at least a portion of his direct adsense money he earned off all his Content Cop vids, just because that'd be the most concrete measurement of what he owes to black and queer communities, not even including the clout and fame that led to other monetary success.
Anyway, from one Maia to another, I tip my hat to you, fare thee well on these interwebs.
@@maiarustad5062 Oh hell yeah! I love meeting/seeing other Maia’s, it’s like we’re apart of our own lil club haha! My mom spelled it “Maia” vs “Maya” because she wanted me to be able to dot my “i” with a heart. Super cute (,: Sending you all the best!!!
As a part of his Adsense, I’m always cynical and will highly doubt he’ll ever do that cause that’s how he amassed a bulk of his wealth, even if it’s a small portion. Him and Shane Dawson are similar on that front, they grew their personal status/wealth off of deplorable actions but wouldn’t be able to properly atone because that would mean they have to give a way a huge portion of their own personal wealth and well… I wouldn’t hold my breath on that but I’d love to be pleasantly surprised lol!
Right and they get so mad when we say if your not black or lgbtq you can't accept his apology like yea because it doesn't affect you how can they not understand that its like me accepting apology for someone killing a random stranger why would I do that it didn't affected me and I wasn't harmed by it. Honestly it would be really weird if I did just as weird as non black people accepting his apology for saying the n word
Empathy really is a social skill that people totally gloss over and you can see the social effects in our society now.
growing up, so many of my male friends liked idubbz and the n word was always the thing that made me uncomfortable watching his content. I never understood the drive to use the word but for some reason every single white boy i knew said it behind closed doors around other white people. They weren't even saying bad shit about black people, it's just like they didn't want the word to be off limit to them. I used to have to deal with so much shit for being an "SJW" and while idubbz himself actually makes decent points in some of his older videos and I liked a few of them, his fanbase just had no idea how to act right. His fans, and filthy frank's fans were exhausting. They were incapable of understanding empathy and they were terminally online. There was def a pipeline from idubbz to 4chan to nazism.
oh god it's so refreshing to hear him say he didn't have any empathy.
@@indiestripper5374 you said it yourself, "They weren't even saying bad shit about black people" why do yall still get mad for someone saying a slur when they aren't even racist??? i just don't understand how people could get affected by a WORD so much, how we gonna move on from slavery and racism if yall gonna act like the victims everytime????
Following the status quo is easy, not edgy. To think that it is shows ignorance and thats about it.
To stand in the face of someone saying, something should probably be taboo, and break that developing taboo, is just kind of rude
kat i’m not embarrassed to admit that my first ever interaction with your content was through a video blaire white made on you. at the time i took her video at face value as a young white gay man (i would have been like 15 at the time) and gave me a negative outlook on your content but then as an adult i found one of your true tea videos and i felt so dumb that i allowed my younger self to be brainwashed by a right wing figure into not even looking further into who you were and what you really stood for. i know you never knew how i used to feel or who i even was, but i want to say sorry anyway. you’re a true good to this world kat i’m glad you never stopped doing what you do 💝
All this ironic racism makes me think about Matthew Healy and the folks who think being offensive is comedy 😔
"either all are ok or none of them are" then he goes on to choose ALL of them...
yup, teaching children all slurs are ok surely had no negative con...........oh it led to a culture of h@r@ssment being acceptable and popularized neo n@z1s "hide your h@tr3d of em jewish and black people behind a joke" tactic............good he apologized and is changing.
Why was he treated slur words like pokemon cards I can't 😂
The whole idea that some of these slurs are ok and some aren't is so stupid because like you said, it really is just that he feels more comfortable saying certain slurs more than others, but that doesn't mean that those words are ok, they're also very much dehumanising. Honestly, I don't have any strong opinions when it comes to these types of apology videos, I'm always suspicious of them just based on the fact that I've seen alot of these people claim to have changed and they've only changed in the sense that they probably still think its ok to use slurs against people who are problematic like Candace owen or Caitlyn Jenner. I don’t think he's that disingenuous though, but I also can't see myself ever watching any of his future content, even if he has changed.
Ur profile pic is soo pretty😍
I think what made him realize that he was doing a horrible job of acknowledging the harassment his wife was getting because of his content was when he himself started to get harassed when his audience found out that she had an OF account. They were repeating a lot of the bs alpha male talking points and these were also people who would've watched his older content. I'm making an assumption without knowing him personally, of course, but it did bother him enough to the point where he made a video that essentially told people to fuck off. It definitely sucks that it took that instance to make him finally get it, but I'm glad that he's recognizing it and taking the time to learn. Not my place to say I forgive etc, but it's been interesting seeing this journey of his.
I thought it was really beautiful when you said everyone should have someone thinking about them who cares about them and loves them, that got me
This video proves why Kat is one of the only politically active creators I still have time for. Too many can't resist the urge to be a hateful, incendiary cunt for clout and create an environment where saying literally anything feels unsafe, so Kat's empathy and composure is always refreshing.
I refuse to interact with people politically because I don't want to be attacked. It feels dangerous to even say that because a lot of people will assume, without context, that I have evil ideas and thoughts. In reality the environment on the left is just so charged that it is difficult to diverge. In some ways that's an advantage because people should be passionate about there beliefs but it very quickly makes a toxic environment
I'm down with hate so long as it's a good person hating on like... A nazi scum bag like richard spencer haha.
Nahhh but I get what you mean. Agreed! Kat is wonderful! I'm pissed she's been around for sooo long and youtube never recommended me her channel before because youtube is crapp!
same! I hate watching political content except for Kat
Honestly the fact that he made this video is a pretty big deal imo for a couple of reasons:
1. He doesn’t make excuses for himself, he acknowledges that an apology is not enough and doesn’t excuse his behavior, he recognizes he STILL NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO DO MORE
2. For idubbbz in particular, it’s very important for his audience to see him grow as a person. In particular, the people who enjoyed his old content for the wrong reasons. It’s important for them to see him and for him to say “I used to be you but then I met more people who are different than me and realize that what I was doing was wrong. It’s okay to learn and grow as a person.” I feel like creators who have an audience like his don’t do that very often and have it come across as genuine.
I've been a long time fan of Idubbbz and I strongly agree with everything you had to say here. I've seen every video Idubbbz has made on his primary and secondary channel since like mid 2015/late 2014 and I was also a person who was in Idubbbz's target audience during his rise to notoriety as a deeply sheltered teenage white male in a rich white suburban sundown town (who is now finally happy after getting away from that shithole and starting to transition :3). You absolutely hit the nail on the head about the kind of person Idubbbz used to be and gave a more accurate, fair, and nuanced opinion on this situation than anyone else I've seen talk about it. That's especially impressive considering you probably were the least familiar with him and his content out of anyone I saw cover this. I always hoped I'd see him change like this and got excited when I started seeing inklings of it around 2019 but I never expected him to come this far. I really hope white online leftists don't embrace him as a new figurehead or anything because that's not what he deserves all with his history but I'm glad I can watch the stuff he releases now without worrying that I'm supporting someone who actively holds hateful beliefs towards marginalized groups.
I don't personally have any love towards him so it's good to see a fan having a solid POV. A lot of folks are too quick to accept an apology and move on, but it's a true sign of maturity to withhold judgement until a pattern of change is actually proven, and if it doesn't happen being able to move on.
Also it's just good seeing people who can self reflect in an honest way - I really hope this is a skill that more people gain.
The empathy/apathy thing is hell. Ive struggled my whole life to try and be better than i am and what i was raised into but even being in my 30s its hard especially given my temper issues associated with ADHD but im trying. Ive never had any real serious relationships like what you described and idk if i know what that kinda love feels like or if im capable of it. I wish i did not resonate with Idubbbz video as much as i do because I know its because im a very flawed person.
Fellow ADHDer here. You got this. Be patient with yourself!
I mean, there is a difference between struggling with empathy/apathy and intentionally using hurtful language, filming it, and profiting off of it for years.
@Alexis C Yeah but for someone who was never taught empathy it wouldn't come across as the bad thing it is. I think that's what Critikals issues is right now.
Getting a handle on emotional dysfunction takes a really long time. Acknowledging it is a real issue and being able to predict when it will likely surface makes it easier. You got this!
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me personally i appreciate the effort of waking up and realizing his actions had consequences. It wont change the past but him calling _those_ fans out and watching them flip over it is golden
After finishing watching the apology video, I think the primary thing that makes it such a great apology is that it isn't one. Or rather, it's not a video whose sole purpose is to express "apology." It's way more of a reflection/realization video that contains apologies. It kinda makes me realize that, at least for me, an apology isn't the end goal, it's a stepping stone towards conveying that you get it, that you understand what was wrong, and you have a different outlook and a different goal now. I always hated when I was little and teachers would command me to apologize for something I did, and I never felt like I meant it (or the other kids who were commanded to apologize to me). Those commanded apologies were basically the same as most apology videos are these days: something perfunctory where you say the right script and hopefully allow things to blow over. It didn't come from a place of understanding or intent to do differently, and it seemed like you could always tell.
I hope that one day people like Jordan Peterson can also reconize that having openly racist people in their audience is worth an investigation. (Sorry for the bad english)
As a straight white dude I found it a little odd that so many white creators were so quick to make "it's okay idubbbz, I forgive you" or "you don't need to apologize!" video responses when they weren't even the ones impacted by his rhetoric. When I watched his response I thought "well it's about time, i'm sure a lot of people will appreciate this", not once for a single second did I think the video was directed towards me. I'm a cis white male I'm literally the least impacted group??
There's plenty of people of color who said the same thing but whatever
@@alejandro9829 which is why the above commenter specified white creators
@@b00tsiew00tsie he made it seem like they were all white
@mud6992 I'm a poc and know plenty of others that didn't care but whatever man
watching kat consistently clock ian's exact feelings several times throughout the video was fun
Never heard of this guy until now. I don’t accept his apology. 🤷🏾♂️
Don't care !
I think as we get more and more apologies like this from big white creators, their big white audience is gonna need to get used to actually going through the same growth that their fave went through. them apologizing is not a trump card in a stan war. the common response of applauding and uplifting creators who do put in the work like this seems like an emotional shield for an audience in denial, who doesn't wanna confront the same emotions in their own life. I also think its sort of like a reality check for them, like: "oh, not every black person I encounter on the internet is going to forgive this person or care about this person's apology the way I do. how am I going to respond to that. what does that mean for MY life and how I'VE hurt others." idubbbz life isn't gonna stop and wait for every person he's wronged to forgive him and he knows that, so it seems like he's gonna keep on living in a way that is consistent with his new values without wallowing in self-pity, which may be the best he can do. it's easier for a white audience who was following this sort of content to empathize with white guilt than the tangible harm his content caused towards black people. as someone who is most famous for making a white girl apologize for being racist while literally saying slurs at her, it seems like he gets how much he was centering white feelings in his content, even when he claimed to be fighting against racism. will the former fans of that content ever understand that? I wish I could say yes but that would be overly optimistic. hopefully at least some of them realize that there's more purpose to an earnest apology than cheap, transactional forgiveness.
one question that sticks in my mind after watching this is how many other white creators who commented on and profited off that content cop will also apologize? I never watched idubbbz back then but those videos were inescapable on commentary youtube, the tana one especially. you were right to point out that tana was still in the wrong, she was still a hypocrite who said slurs and then turned around and attacked others for doing the same. but idubbbz video somehow turned into THE reference point for that entire situation and I hated how everyone just ignored his hypocrisy or talked around it. nothing was stopping anyone from calling tana a hypocrite on their own, but I guess he did get 19m views so using clips of him must've felt like a necessity or something? I remember feeling like it took away the integrity of a lot of people trying to talk about racism to "side" with idubbbz. even if we did get more real apologies though, like with idubbbz himself, I'm not sure I have the energy to really care at this point.
I know it's only a small part of what you wrote but the part about realizing some people won't accept apologies is something more folks need to get. No one OWES them accepting their apology and it doesn't undo anything. Words are so cheap and easy to use that acting like saying something fixes anything is extremely dumb. As I've gotten older I barely pay attention to what people say anymore and pay a lot more attention to what they are doing, and sadly so many of these apologies seem to be meant as a purification ritual for people when really it's meant to be the FIRST SMALL STEP in changing!
I'd love if more folks actually followed through on the great stuff they say in their apology videos, basically.
@@iamjustkiwi right? like I have no clue what idubbbz could do to undo a fraction of what his videos have done. like just the sheer amount of money he made on those content cops, he'd probably have to donate all of his adsense for the rest of his life to match how much he financially gained. and that's just an easily quantifiable metric we have for "harm reduction," which is so much bigger and more nebulous than that.
@@princessjellyfish98 yall acting like the guy should spend millions to "compensate" the "victims" over a WORD. yall have the right to get mad at a slur BUT yall have ZERO rights to DEMAND compensation for something that doesn't even affect you, like being offended over a word is crazy ngl, just grow thicker skin
critical saying it was ok bc of "the time" reminds me of when people used to marry off children and say its ok bc of "the time" despite it not really ever being ok even back then
I remember watching the content cop about tana when it first came out and it was such a mess. it basically is idubbz recapping the meet and greet incident where he harasses tana in public. Then it becomes this massive mental gymnastics exercise where he goes over all the times Tana used the N-word and concludes that the way she uses it is completely horrible and racist. But at the same time, he's defending himself and somehow justifying that when he uses the N-word it's okay because it's funny? The people who think he didn't need to apologize for anything for whatever reason don't get that this was way beyond edgy comedy. That was idubbz giving himself a pass for his own behavior through some really poor logic (the "if all of it's bad, then none of it's bad" quote he mentioned in the apology) and "exposing" a seemingly even worse person and throwing them under the bus. If anything, that was the one apology he needed to make out of all of them.
Also I loved that the one content cop you watched for the video was the one about reaction videos, very much enjoyed the "Kat reacts to Idubbz reacts to Jinx reacts to whatever" it was both fitting and weirdly topical lol
"you can't use this word there's a history........well all these other words have a history *shows a bunch of other unacceptable and obscure slurs and teaches a new slur*" i mean we could not use slurs that affect groups we're not part of.........or at all.
@@ddjsoyenby the whole train of thought there is so baffling because anyone from a marginalized group group would immediately go “none of it’s ok” but for whatever reason white people eat this kind of argument up? And I really don’t know how that argument is helpful to idubbz there because if anything he’s demonstrating that he knows slurs have a historical impact, he just doesn’t care and wants to use them. And the worst thing is that entire justification only came to be because Tana of all people called him out. Not you know, any of the various minority groups he’s referring to with his slurs because I don’t think he cared about their opinion. But to another white youtuber who tried to start shit on twitter and turned out to be the perfect scapegoat
I initially thought it was pretty silly to call a video "the best apology video", but now I get what people mean by that. There was no current internet scandal requiring him to do an apology video now as a sort of PR move to avoid losing followers, he was honest about using racism for his own financial gain because it is an quicker way of getting youtube followers than developing a video persona that attracts views (instead of that weird thing where they say they said the n-word because they had depression), and look at that! No possibly fake tears on camera!
Jesus, youtube apology videos sure have a formula.
She who hath never slept in her makeup, cast the first stone 🙏🏼
As an autistic person I've been called many things. And I'm the same way, when it comes to slurs that are meant towards me. If someone calls me the r-word that doesn't offend me as much. I don't really use it even though there are a few neurodivergent people and people in the disabled community reclaiming it, because I personally don't want to invoke the word.
What I REALLY hate is when allistic or neurotypical and able bodied people who use medical terms or names of disorders as slurs or slang. Like people who say someone is being autistic as a synonym for "idiot" or the r word. Or I guess I just hate the general misuse. Like people who say someone has ADHD because they are a busy body or people are OCD because they're a clean freak.
I've confronted some people in the past who were using autistic as a slur who've gotten to know me somewhat. I've said things like, "Hey, I'm actually autistic you know." And then they would look at me uncomfortably or all of a sudden infantilize me or something. 😂
I feel like there definitely needs to be a discussion as to why saying things like something having "autism" that equates it to being "stupid" is dehumanizing, even though the word itself isn't a slur. The intent or lack of awareness is frankly appalling.
Agreed with this 1000%
(I'm a fellow autistic person and I absolutely feel this)
I'm autistic
And I think calling things autistic is funny
And think Ian's apology was a phony attempt to Distract from the froggy fresh situation by apologizing for somthing no one cared about until he apologized
Different strokes I guess
I definitely resonate with this. I'm what many would label "high functioning" because I am well spoken. Though, I couldn't even finish high school and got through middle school solely because a couple of my teachers forged my final grade (despite being described as very bright since age 9 and winning a district award for writing), not being diagnosed with combined ADHD and ASD until young adulthood will do that to you I suppose. The situations someone has felt justified to use that term to describe me have been few, mostly fueled by a dislike for me and seemingly an urge to spit vitriolic things to hurt my feelings or make me feel less than. All it really made me feel was upset that others thought it could ever be appropriate to try and make another feel subhuman, even if their words mean nothing to me. I am not everyone, and I've always had an uncanny ability to let people's bullshit roll off my back. It bothers me more to see it happen to others, or for people to use autistic as a synonym for stupid, less than, etc. I know how people perceive me and their thoughts on my level of intelligence, I am much more bothered about how that usage affects people's ideas of those typically seen as "lower functioning" which can often mean as little as just someone who's nonspeaking. It's already assumed nearly all the time that those of us who don't speak can't hear or process speech either, which is ridiculous. Not even getting into all the nonspeaking individuals that could write circles around those lame asses. Intellectual disability is not synonymous with autism, either. It wouldn't make that behavior okay even if it was, but the cherry on top is also that it's completely unfounded.
I am so unhip I learn about cool things from Kat.
I'm here from D'angelo and I'm so glad I checked out your channel. Love the way you set up your arguments and thoughts. You've got a new subscriber!!
D'ANGELO IS AWESOME!
I was thinking about why I feel the need to fall all over myself praising a white man that reforms his ways. And the conclusion I came to is I'm kind of low key scared of them. In particular I'm scared of them picking up an AR15 and blasting me and everyone in my vicinity. So I feel like by loudly praising men who pull through that phase and reform themselves so maybe some other men will see that and think about reforming themselves, instead of blowing me away with a semi-autonatic rifle. I probably sound hyperbolic but I live in Texas and I've already been shot at once (not hit, thank God.)
That thing Margaret Atwood said about "men are scared women will laugh at them and women are scared men will kill them" hits so hard.
Oh crud you're right
I've wondered on occasion why I feel the urge to vocally defend these kinds of guys even when (like in this case) I was never really involved in them or their content.
Youre totally right, fear plays a big part, and a desperate want to signal to other guys in his demographic that his bare minimum is the right way to go and will be rewarded.
Welp, you've given me a much needed existential mini crisis, thank you.
Ok but what products made your makeup last that long???
I used Final Seal by Ben Nye.
holy shit.
.....is this the first _real,_ proper RUclipsr apology?
I think the love to empathy thing goes like this
First, you have to love yourself. Once you love yourself, you can love someone else at the depth required for that next phase.
Once you love someone, your capacity for love grows. It's why some people have a change after a spouse and then again after a child. I think it's what happened to Simon Cowell 😂😂😂
Ian didn't love himself, he was insecure and he wanted to seem strong so he treated others like they had to put up with his shit and just take it.
Once he started being okay with himself and had a GF, he started to change. And now that he's actually head over heels for his wife and more secure in himself, he is catching a glimpse at a much greater pool of love and empathy.
Alot of his fans haven't reached this place and never will. The way they were a mirror of him, he is a mirror of them. And amidst their self loathing BS they will hate him IMMENSELY for taking this route. They don't want to change, they don't want to be wrong, they don't want to admit that this capacity for change is what they need to be happy ultimately.
While he doesn't deserve a parade or anything, I do hope for the best in terms of that backlash. I wouldn't want to see those creeps he helped raise fuck him over now that he's actually a decent person. Especially the assholes he often dunked on in the past, who still deserved his scathing words and frankly worse even if he wasn't the ideal messenger.
I wouldn't be surprised if they make him a "leader" of the online leftist "community" following his apology.
looool. I wouldn't either.. but the online left is perpetually unserious.
Who's they lol? I feel like the online left hates letting people actually rehabilitate
@@gilly_axolotlaww😢
PLEASE no 😭
@@gilly_axolotl start with Vaush and go with his clones and inspirations
You can always tell when an apology is made after growth. I am not saying that he has become perfect, but he is trying which is a lot more than most do.
Honestly although I still disagree with it if guys like this laughed at things like "male genocide" I'd understand them wanting to use slurs a little more. But no, without fail they're offended. The hypocrisy has to be seen to be believed. I don't think anybody *should* be expected to take comments made about their entire group lying down, but if you take comments made at groups who aren't you sound asleep you've got issues.
Yeah that's the whole issue I have too. I have been mercilessly harassed for saying "white people" and making fun of a white nationalists. If I joke about men at all they take it seriously. It's very bizarre... but I'm expected to take the n word as a joke. lol.
@@KatBlaque The darnedest thing is most people who say things like "bring on planet matriarchy" are definitely joking. It's a coping mechanism. They don't want to see men slaughtered in the streets. But people who use the n word are more often dead serious, and even when they aren't the blindness to the fact that many are serious is truest.
There’s this great quote by bell hooks and the gist of it is that when women say things like “men are trash” or “kill all men” it’s rarely meant with sincerity and is rather an incomplete way of expressing that men are so attached to patriarchy that we struggle to imagine a world in which patriarchy exists but men do. When men say those sorts of things towards women, I have less reason to believe it’s actually a joke given, well, [gestures at history]. I’d say it definitely applies with jokes about white people vs. while people using the n-word too.
@@fionatastic0.070 I want it added I don't even like saying these things myself. But I have unimaginable patience and some degree of privilege not living somewhere that makes me fear men. I don't expect others to be in the same position, will explain to my dying breath why men saying these same things carries different implications.
@@fionatastic0.070 I agree with the idea of the ‘edgy double standard’ (people being offended by jokes about men but fine with jokes about minorities) because that’s definitely a thing but those jokes have always made me so deeply uncomfortable for some reason and l wish there was room to talk about that without being called a pick me. Especially TikToks making fun of the male suicide rate. Obviously people can say whatever they want and I get that its often a coping mechanism but personally I just wish there was more of a conversation about it.
The same way black peope were ignored and silences when they spoke up and told him his shit was offensive and racist many moons back; are once again being told to accept his apology.
I'm tired of non black people, mainly white, being too scared to label someone racist. He is racist. It's not ignorance. How can it be ignorance when he sat on his chair and told us that the n-word isn't a big deal and words only hurt if you let them, edited the video, uploaded and still continued. His buddy Ethan Klien used to say the same shit, now their loved ones are being attacked, all of a sudden words hurt 😊. Trisha takes the piss and attacks him for things he can't change, he gets coddled and defended. When he used to do the same.
Tip about opening cans with long nails: use a butter knife or some sort of blunt blade to slide under the tap and push it up with the tool, nails intact! Awesome video as always ❤
It was a really solid apology and I'm hoping it serves as a blueprint for his fans or former fans, to see that they can change and grow as well. If people are never allowed to change then we're doomed
Whyte boyz confidently thinking they're the smartest person in the room is so exhausting.
You know what got me giggling? Noticing how bored you looked watching Content Cop.
From what I remember about the Tana situation he was more upset that Tana was acting ashamed if saying the n word rather then her being racist. I haven't seen the content cop have only watch the rice gum one but was active in following the fall out on drama channels.
As a transkid who used to watch idubbs, that hit. It literally is exactly a way to describe just that feeling of my relationships at the time. I know you wouldn't like me but hey im a rlly big fan, and it just describes all the friendships i had at the time. Like he was just so unaware, of their experience, and that kid apologized before they were even acknowledged. Being a discord kid is just, im ugly crying right now. That was just every friendship i put in so much energy to sustain, every white person i tried to make regular, ok, not abusive. Picking apart everything they said just to make sure it was ok. That parasocial relationship i had with idubbs, was so reflective of everything around me. Idubbbs has been important and impactful in mine and so many other kids exiled. But then I looked around and was like, omg, wait, look at the other people exiled.(more then you). Wait omg lets talk to them. Lets see them. they deserve my energy and my love, omg im so glad they see the hope and humanity in me. And they have been through so much, this deserves my energy, growth, and life plan. And you just follow that even though your parents told you not too. And well a lot more but now i think i sound silly so. Thank you cat. This would make a lot more sense in person. Im high, which is why i was able to cry so much. Really though, thank you cat, for being brave and showing us you, like youre cool asf.
I think part of what makes this apology successful is that he's been pivoting his behavior and content for years now. It seems this context wasn't brought up but the boxing thing refers to him and his wife organizing a big annual charity boxing event called creator clash (and from what I've seen this event emphasizes safety and kindness much more than other influencer boxing projects). People who were hurt by his normalization of slurs online definitely do not owe him any forgiveness but I think it's for the positive that one of the biggest edgelords of that era of youtube is trying to make up for the damage he's done.
he just stood so ten toes down during his peak its like…😪 . if the apology helps his conscious and furthers his growth then great . he went with the unassuming kurtis conner look for this . its like you said, bold
I'm glad someone else saw it, Kurtis being such an unproblematic guy made me upset that idubbz basically bogarted his look! You don't get to just hijack that look my dude, you gotta earn it by being better.
@@iamjustkiwi I've noticed a lot of left-wing guys adopting the look, haha. Why??
@@maschaorsomething I think it’s just current fashion trends. Looks better on Kurtis
It’s really interesting to realize that some people just don’t really develop empathy until they’ve had certain experiences in the world. This isn’t to make me sound superior, because obviously I didn’t always perfectly understand racism or oppression as a child, but it is very revealing to me, I guess. It makes me understand a little bit about how people come to the conclusions they come to. All the same, I’m glad it’s something people can eventually develop. Or, hell, even if you can’t develop empathy, just developing an idea of how the world works and what your impact on it is.
I never watched iDubbz and I always just kind of dismissed him as one of those edgy RUclipsrs from a period of time when I was mostly realizing I was trans and also watching edgy atheism videos, but it is good to see people like him seem to *truly* change, rather than dismissively apologize like “sorry if you got offended” or whatever. It would be great if more people like him were able to have the kinds of life experiences that really showed them the reality of & consequences to their actions. Or, obviously, if people were just able to connect with others in the first place and skip over the whole bigotry phase.
What is he doing beyond apologizing? Give the money you made off anti-blackness to black youtubers who still struggle on the platform
I know this is a one year old comment but I'm going to add that as someone who works in a hospital, and has throughout the height of COVID, a lot of people REALLY won't get it or change their mind until something really horrible happens to them or someone they love.
I have some grasp on it as someone who has an odd relationship with empathy myself (due to various things like my upbringing and autism as well) and also some interest into how people with stigmatized mental disorders learn to get a handle on some forms of empathy. The truth is that there's kinds of empathy you naturally have, and kinds you can actually learn and integrate manually. All people seen as "typical" learn and integrate cognitive empathy to a certain degree, whether that be a great degree or a very small one. Affective empathy is usually something people are either born with or without (but also exists on a spectrum), or is permanently damaged/gone after the development of something like aspd, for some individuals. There are also other aspects of this like sympathy and it's not all super concrete. The basic idea is that there are different kinds or facets to human empathy and that some are learned while others simply cannot be, but that it is possible to integrate some kind empathy if you're committed to that development.
i say this as a person who watched all this content as it was coming out ( also have been a viewer of yours for a long time ❤) and was affected by idubbz content. watching that apology made me cry bc this the first time ive a racist come to the light lmaooo
honestly i used to think "idubbz is right and hilarious"..........needless to say i was an idiot and did eventually grow up.
Looking back, 2016 really was a low point for RUclips and the internet as a whole.
This era is MUCH worse wtf are u smoking
BRO WHAT??? AINT NO FUCKING WAY YOU SAID THAT 😂😂
Idubbz said he is 32. others have said that these videos/content of his were from 2016-2017. So he was a 25/26 year old man when he created those videos. Not a kid.
I guess I'm caught up on the term "edgy". I thought "edgy" meant meant ultra-modern, cutting edge and challenging social norms. His videos just
seem anti-social to me. "Antisocial" & "edgy" can feel the same, but they are not the same thing.
I agree
Kat I’m gonna be real, I think your video on this topic has been the best and most nuanced take on this apology that I’ve seen. I am white and most of this is not my apology to accept at all, I can only speak on the queer issues as a trans and gay person. I feel very similar towards it as you do, like everything you were saying was exactly how I felt about this entire situation.
I think it was a genuine and decent apology, especially for a RUclips apology. I’m not gonna become a big fan or anything, but I can acknowledge he seems like he’s growing and changing, but the hurt he has caused is irreversible and huge. I can appreciate he’s growing and changing, but I don’t need to be there for that journey. I wish him well and I do hope he continues to grow, but as a queer person who is also very anti racist, the hurt he’s caused has been immense and it’s been too long with him doing nothing about it. Better late then never though I guess.
I also appreciate he’s donating money to black trans women, I wish more people would put their money where their mouth is when apologizing online like this. I just hope he continues to do good with his money and raise awareness about the communities he’s hurt and it doesn’t just die down after all this blows over. That’ll truly show he is actually genuine and does care and wants to do better. That would actually help those who were hurt, and help actually make up for some of that damage and not just be words that may not even be genuine because we don’t know what he is actually thinking.
I’m just glad there will now be one less person making hurtful content that does a lot of damage while also indoctrinating others to cause even more damage, and it almost feels cathartic to hear him apologize as someone who’s been affected by his homophobia and transphobia in the past because of his fans. I genuinely do appreciate that there was some effort and it wasn’t just a bunch of “woe is me I was in a dark place” nonsense and fully just addressed everything and explained why it was wrong and was just to the point and admitting it was all fucked up. But once again, not exactly my apology to accept on behalf of the racism. I do not blame others if they don’t accept or like the apology, I get it and that’s understandable and reasonable. I can also acknowledge that as a white person maybe I’m giving him too much credit in all this and I don’t understand the full impact as a person not affected by the racism. So I think it would be best if I don’t become a fan, I don’t think it’s my place to tbh.
So yeah, wish him well and appreciate that he did this, but I’m not gonna be there for his journey. I do wish more people would apologize like this though.
as a white autistic person, the normalisation of saying the R-slur and the genual ableism on the internet made me hate myself and my disaility. him contently using the slur just let the word be so normalise to the point that people don't realise it a slur. it only now that people are realising that they shouldn't be using it but there still along way for people to stop saying it.