The only downside to using it though, is that you can’t use the acronym in semi auto. And man it’s really good semi auto, like the other battle rifles. It can one tap to the head and two shot to the body at really good ranges.
This thing is extremely good in my opinion. It has a fast fire rate for it's damage in both fire modes and very high damage and amazing range. Especially if you put the longest barrel on. The recoil control is crazy too, I absolutely love this weapon.
@@WrectumTerrorNo my lobbies are quite the opposite. I’m definitely in there higher end of SBMM. Every player is either drop shotting you around every corner or quickscoping and this gun is still really good. And I don’t notice the open bolt delay. I just treat it like a large Uzi. And that was the best SMG in the game in 2019
The actual gun shoots from the open bolt in full auto and closed bolt in semi. I wish this was replicated in MWII and would also remove the 45ms shot delay when in semi auto
The gun model shows it as closed bolt in full auto and all the inspect and reload animations display it as closed bolt so it makes no sense and feels like a last minute decision
@@perfectstranger1152 Wouldn't be any better than the Torrent imo, so why not, lots of broken guns in the game like the Tac 56 with almost zero recoil, really great range, etc. or the SO-14 when built correctly, absolutely fries in semi auto with it's almost no fire rate cap and low recoil, so honestly, how bad would that change make it, I feel it would shake up the meta which needs to happen.
I originally thought iw was trying to mimic the generally bad trigger for bullpups but then start wondering why the AUGs doesn't have the delay considering the fact that AUG has one of the worst triggers among all the mass-produced bullpups due to its two-stage design
I didn't even notice the gun had a delay until trying it in semi, then it became apparent; I assume the delay is a balance measure, otherwise we'll see the semi mode nerfed in a month. I was having a lot of fun with the underbarrel drill charge last night. Sometimes I need a perfectly cooked grenade, other times I need the drill charge to clear the B flag before turning the corner. It was nice having both options at any given moment.
Drill charge launcher is also available on M4, M16, FTAC Recon and M13B. I want to try in on so called "The Neighbor" build: regular drill charge, drill charge launcher, resupply, ammo box. And drill the shit out of every wall in the game.
What I hate the most is that on PC when keybinding primary/secondary, if you press the primary keybind with the primary weapon out, it changes the fire mode to the default setting. It isn't like you can press the same button you used to equip the gun to change firemode, it only changes to default, doesn't let you swap between them. So in this case it only puts the gun into full auto.
It's a good competitor to the tac-v. Just like the tac-v the full auto is amazing. Also it really feels like ads and sprint to fire just feels so much better now.
I think I'm going to start running the underbarrel drill charge whenever I can. Getting two with the tube and then picking a different explosive for my lethal slot sounds real fun. Or maybe stack with resupply and carrying around 4 drill charges (I guess up to 5 or 6 if you use overkill?). Edit: Testing in a private match with overkill, resupply, and an ammo box I was able to send out 9 drill charges in about 30 seconds.
I feel like you glossed over the fact this might be one of the most consistent full auto weapons in the game. These damage numbers are excellent! I’ve found it to be a brilliant rifle to use in ground war and you can flip it into semi auto and pick people off. I’m loving it!
I think you should be able to pick which fire mode is on the gun if you add an underbarrel launcher, or shotgun. Really they should just make it realistic and have the gun still have select fire, even with an underbarrel.
That prefire delay explains SO much what my experience has been with this gun. It feels like I have a little bit of lag when I use it that I could not explain. Overall though I do still think it is a pretty decent battle rifle, even in full auto. The full auto recoil is VERY manageable when compared to the other battle rifles which combined with the damage makes it a pretty beastly option if you can deal with that prefire delay.
Potentially it is but I feel like they chose SIG mainly for the Trigger group package and the Steel Base ammo and that it's not a bullpup, which is what our military hates, idk why, the Aug and a few others are good examples of what can be done with bullpups and it would fit our fighting style more, screw the Timmy's who don't know how to shoot more than an AR-15 platform
@@deterrencedispensed4780 i think that the SiG offer is the more familiar option for soldiers, all the ergonomics of the MCX spear is already pretty damn similar to the older M4 rifles. meanwhile the RM277 is a lot less familiar, plus the bullpup design as well
@@richie_0740 That's why I said they picked Sig for mainly but it makes no sense when our fighting strategies ( Ex 0211 aka Armorer in Marine Corps here ) would benefit from Bullpups over Traditional, fuck all the whiners who can't just pick up a gun and get familiar with it just because it's different, it's not even that difficult to get the hang of a bullpup
@@jordancameron4441 I'm no convinced its all the different. you just train for the new system. Hell all the D.O.D. does is training, training, some more training. For how mush the SPEAR is (minus vortex optic) I would expect more of a leap in small arms technology, and not just, "this is the new M14 basically" and we all know how well that went over. I have no clue why its so American to hate what other counties are doing i.e. bullpups.
Just a quick complement: 1) The underbarrel drill has half the bullet drop of a underbarrel grenade launcher. However, you cannot equip any underbarrel launcher together with the 50 rounds drum mag. This may hurt its effectiveness in WZ. 2) There is a unique stock wrap attachment that improves handling without harming the recoil. I guess Ace missed it.
@@ryanmccluan7467 that is not mainly the issue, it's the fact that they made the current attachments so vast yet so vague in what they do and how they impact every gun. It got a bit better that now you can see the sweetspots when tuning Tldr lack of visibility
@@shampwoo I’ve actually found that the stat bars are more accurate than you’d think. Before ace put out his videos on ads times I was able to determine the faster attatchments from looking at the stats. Sometimes the changes are minor but you can definitely see them. You just need to know which bars to look at for which attachments.
People complain about this gun's open bolt delay, but they probably don't remember the MW2019 Uzi prior to the .41 AE rounds. The gun with 9mm rounds was subpar and the open bolt delay made it even worse.
There were other guns with it as well. (Though I didn't find the UZI to be sub par without .41 AE, personally.) but it was mostly in LMGs. Which I feel were still a lot more viable in 2019 than now. Outside of running AUG H-BAR or RPK with lower cap mags they feel playfully slow.
Yeah well at least the Uzi is actually an open bolt gun while this gun is not so it does not really make sense. The model shows a closed bolt and the inspect and reload animations present it as closed bolt.
@@feariex True. But it's one of the only bullpups in the game aside from the AUG variants. BPs have notoriously bad triggers usually due to the linkages required, and the bigger/more powerful the cartridge the heavier they need to be. So, I'm just guessing but it could be an emulation, of a long trigger pull. I dunno! Also could be that with it's damage potential being higher than the Taq-V on average, they found it as the easiest way to balance it for the current way that damages are setup.
No let me correct your comment. I remember from Ace’s gun guide that the Uzi was open bolt but the gun had no delay in game. So that isn’t correct. Also even with the .41 AE rounds, it was good but so were many of the SMGs & imo at least, the Striker-45 wasn’t much different from it & I just preferred using that. .41 AE Uzi was probably a bit overrated.
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Istg this gun definitely needs the 30rnd mags no matter what in full-auto. It just chews up ammo rather quickly and the recoil is rather high which makes it weird to engage long range targets with continuous fire with the normal 20rnd and the 30rnd helps... ALOT.
Hey Ace what about the custom suppressor Cronen SP-DR that's exclusive to this gun you didn't mention anything about it when you talked about the composite ammo and undermounted drill, would have been cool to see the values on that one as well. Or is it just a reskin of a different suppressor and that's why you skipped it ?
I've only gotten to pick it up off the ground once so far. It seemed pretty stock with just a thirty round mag so ADS was slow, but I didn't even register the delay in full auto. It's the gun I'm going for first, but taking 20 or 25 tokens to get to it from the start is a painful joke for trying to get it when seeing people with Black Cell running around with both right off the rip. Though I've seen the intervention way more period. Because it makes people go into quick scope mode painfully quick. The annoyance and drop in my KD is real.
Hopefully if they add the MCX Spear it will be a true competitor to the SCAR-H They should definitely buff the composite 6.8 ammo too, spice things up a bit. If possible, add composite ammo options for 5.56 6.5 creedmoor and 7.62x51 as well just like IRL True Velocity
Note for people trying to make a build for recoil control, i've found that horizontal recoil control attachments help a lot with both types of recoil whereas vertical ones seem to not help that much with neither, also, dunno if it's just me, but combs and rear grips seem to not help at all(?, like I fell when I put them they don't stack and/or negate the effects of the muzzle and foregrip, so, I recommend longest barrel, frac ripper and the muzzle that helps horizontal and vertical (in that order), then mag of choice and low zoom optic (I also feel long and mid ones buff the recoil somehow). Hope I helped if anyone disagrees or has different ideas/builds I would love to know. Take care y'all, and have fun
@@tankiller9638 it just doesn't make sense. On LMG it makes sense because many of those are open bolt. No modern battle rifle would be manufactured to be open bolt, open bolts are a detriment to accuracy due to the reciprocating mass at the moment of firing. I don't dislike open bolt weapons just no battle, assault, marksman, or sniper rifle would be manufactured with an open bolt. Maybe in the past at some point but not in decades and certainly not something modern.
I run it semi auto and have enjoyed it immensely. I run it for speed, so majority of the attachments are for ADS and Sprint Out improvements. Might run the drill launcher for a bit of fun.
Now that the suppressor/ghost issue is fixed, can you start mixing in some stealth setups in your gun guides? Or better yet, make a dedicated top 5 stealth guns video?
It is a shame the composite ammo doesn't replicate the most important aspect of the real life true velocity rounds: they have less recoil than brass ammunition.
With how little recoil the gun has by default, such a benefit would probably be negligible. And I suspect the devs will want to add another 6.8 gun so they might not want to give such an ammo type such a benefit anyway.
As a dmz player, this is my go to gun, simply because it gets a damage boost in semi auto fire. Full auto is a 3 shot down, semi auto is a 2 shot down. At range the semi auto is even more viable. This gun easily puts down any other weapon in the mode as long as you have decent gun skill and land your shots.
I haven't unlocked it yet but does the fire delay not totally mess up longish range shots? Those need precise timing to hit headshots and lead targets, 45ms seems like a giant pain in the ass. Looking forward to trying it out myself.
Polyatomic camo challenge is currently bugged and is not counting headshots in either firemode. The gun also isn't tracking mastery challenge progression.
Open bolt delay is a bummer, but I’ve been using this a lot since the new season started and while I like it, I don’t think it’s as good or versatile as the FTAC Recon, which is still my favorite primary in the game. It might be replacing the SO-14 and TAQ-V as the other battle rifle I mess around with when I want some variety. I wish I could set it to default to semi-auto in the Gunsmith, though. I also prefer it in semi-auto, but it’s annoying to have to change it every time I load into a match.
Do you think you could take another look at recoil smoothness? I can't be sure, but I swear that it makes some difference (although possibly negligible) now...
@@gingerwitch64 yeah, it’s odd because when Ace does the testing, there’s no difference in recoil. So, I wonder if it only applies when shooting an actual target? Not sure
This gun is the new Meta for hardcore. 1 shot anywhere on the torso in full auto at any range. Flip to semi for 1 shot anywhere on the body when killing at range. Closest you could get before was the Karov 762 at around 47m range, and the RAAL LMG with a 1 shot anywhere but horrible handling.
Semi auto doesn't have the prefire delay, I was interested in testing this when I heard about it, and it actually replicates the real life function of the weapon almost properly. Semi auto fires from closed bolt, full auto fires from open. If you listen closely you can hear the difference between the trigger click noise and gun firing.
First impression is pretty good in my eyes. I haven't used any attachments on it so far, because I am playing around with the naked gun, but I really enjoy the feel of the gun.
Ace, can you mention the damage stats for hardcore in these gun guides? Im not asking for a ton of info, just wondering what the one-shot range is for hardcore and wheather you'd use it in hc or not. Love the content 👍
I can understand having an open bolt delay in full-auto mode, but it should switch to a closed bolt with no delay when in semi-auto. Otherwise, what's the point of using semi-auto and trying to land headshots if people are going to move by the time the gun actually fires?
I may be dumb for asking this but does that firing delay happen every time you pull the trigger in semi auto? Or does it only apply to the first shot? How would that work?
This thing slaps in search, which I never play I queued quick play for all cause I was bent about getting into 6v6 ground wars repeatedly so I just said I’ll send it and sit out whatever happens and got search. And I got told to “chill” and was apparently exceptionally sweaty dropping an sae on the poor children playing Al bagra fortress, sorry other randoms I didn’t know it was that sweaty when I queued with it
how does semi auto pre fire delay work with this gun? is it delay then fire out to til the end of the magazine or delay per shot? and under what circumstances does the delay reactivate?
If a 45ms pre-fire delay is causing you to miss targets, you need to practice tracking more. You should continuing to track your opponent, even as you're pulling the trigger.
Idk its just weird me or what. But by hearing my mouse clicking and how gunshot differently sync with it, I’m pretty sure semi auto prefire delay is a bit shorter than full auto.
Ill have to try some of these builds out, but I have been seeing better success with irons over a sight. It just has a good ironsight in my opinion. So maybe that opens me up to another attachment on the one shot build.
The prefire delay makes sense on revolvers and LMG's because those usually fire from an open bolt. A modern battle rifle which this is supposed to be would not be open bolt it would be closed bolt thus no pre fire delay. It doesn't make sense they added a quirk just for the sake if having one. Or weapon balancing I guess 😕
Not to be that guy... but... irl the rm277 it is based on does fire full auto from an open bolt. However semi auto is closed bolt. I suspect if the bolt had been locked open before switching to semi, you would still have a delay on the first shot as the bolt still has to travel forward. It was designed this way because irl this gun was meant to use polymer cased (as opposed to normal brass) ammo. Polymer ammo makes managing the heat of the gun harder, so the open bolt allows for more cooling.
@TheXclusiveAce: Can you make a video clip about testing the 4 vests? I'm confused when there were a player who wore a stealth vest got spotted by my uav tower, and about the comms vest, i don't know how does it work. For example: when it plays a 1 ping sound means the enemies is far, 2 ping means enemies getting closer and 3 ping means enemies is really close, and when the UAV tower is turned on, the comms vest didn't show the difference between player and bot, it just showed the same as Advaned UAV.
Im not too sure what you’re referring to. This sounds like something relating to Warzone and I don’t play that game at all so I know next to nothing about it
This is yet another example in this game of "Rifle is fine". It needs no attachments to be effective. I've got it almost maxed and the only thing I've put on it was a basic hipfire laser. Reminds me of using the RAAL but as a rifle instead of an LMG
(Cronen Squall Camo Bugged) The Polyatomic camo: get 25 HEADSHOT Not tracking, awaiting Fix from upcoming update. Tried everything! Alot of people have this problem. Mind you I have Unlocked ORION MASTERY CAMO ALREADY.😊
The drill charge under barrel is actually pretty awesome. For starters it hard counters riot shields
I can have my throwing knife and still counter riot shields with this attachment.
The only downside to using it though, is that you can’t use the acronym in semi auto. And man it’s really good semi auto, like the other battle rifles. It can one tap to the head and two shot to the body at really good ranges.
@Casey Avila I prefer it in full auto so its fine with me.
Hmz totally maxed out, but it's still locked 🔒 how come? Any ideas? (Love the drill in my load out)
Has it been took off ranked?
This thing is extremely good in my opinion. It has a fast fire rate for it's damage in both fire modes and very high damage and amazing range. Especially if you put the longest barrel on. The recoil control is crazy too, I absolutely love this weapon.
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@@dillonc7955idk how people complain about that lmao. I never even noticed it
@@caseyavila8779 must be nice having those slow reaction lobbies that don’t shoot back.
@@WrectumTerror dude, I have been erasing people since launch with the RM277 and until this day noticed it has bolt delay 💀
@@WrectumTerrorNo my lobbies are quite the opposite. I’m definitely in there higher end of SBMM. Every player is either drop shotting you around every corner or quickscoping and this gun is still really good. And I don’t notice the open bolt delay. I just treat it like a large Uzi. And that was the best SMG in the game in 2019
The actual gun shoots from the open bolt in full auto and closed bolt in semi. I wish this was replicated in MWII and would also remove the 45ms shot delay when in semi auto
A different commentor pointed out that if the semi auto delay wasn't added, it would be too good and need a nerf.
The gun model shows it as closed bolt in full auto and all the inspect and reload animations display it as closed bolt so it makes no sense and feels like a last minute decision
@@perfectstranger1152 Wouldn't be any better than the Torrent imo, so why not, lots of broken guns in the game like the Tac 56 with almost zero recoil, really great range, etc. or the SO-14 when built correctly, absolutely fries in semi auto with it's almost no fire rate cap and low recoil, so honestly, how bad would that change make it, I feel it would shake up the meta which needs to happen.
I originally thought iw was trying to mimic the generally bad trigger for bullpups but then start wondering why the AUGs doesn't have the delay considering the fact that AUG has one of the worst triggers among all the mass-produced bullpups due to its two-stage design
@@deterrencedispensed4780 I don't think it would need a nerf. The Devs would. They only mess with the obscure gems.
I didn't even notice the gun had a delay until trying it in semi, then it became apparent; I assume the delay is a balance measure, otherwise we'll see the semi mode nerfed in a month. I was having a lot of fun with the underbarrel drill charge last night. Sometimes I need a perfectly cooked grenade, other times I need the drill charge to clear the B flag before turning the corner. It was nice having both options at any given moment.
Without it it'd lityeraly just be tempus torremt
Drill charge launcher is also available on M4, M16, FTAC Recon and M13B.
I want to try in on so called "The Neighbor" build: regular drill charge, drill charge launcher, resupply, ammo box. And drill the shit out of every wall in the game.
It should be on every gun that has an underbarrel launcher.
I wish it was available for the tempus torrent too :(
“Drill baby drill”
I'd like it if we could toggle fire mode in the gunsmith, it annoys me having to change at the start of every round in Search & Destroy
I agree, especially since changing fire modes changes the stats, only make sense for it to be integrated with the gun smith imo
Or just simply make it stay on whatever you set it so that way you can still switch back and forth on the spot
What I hate the most is that on PC when keybinding primary/secondary, if you press the primary keybind with the primary weapon out, it changes the fire mode to the default setting.
It isn't like you can press the same button you used to equip the gun to change firemode, it only changes to default, doesn't let you swap between them. So in this case it only puts the gun into full auto.
It's a good competitor to the tac-v. Just like the tac-v the full auto is amazing. Also it really feels like ads and sprint to fire just feels so much better now.
I think I'm going to start running the underbarrel drill charge whenever I can. Getting two with the tube and then picking a different explosive for my lethal slot sounds real fun.
Or maybe stack with resupply and carrying around 4 drill charges (I guess up to 5 or 6 if you use overkill?).
Edit: Testing in a private match with overkill, resupply, and an ammo box I was able to send out 9 drill charges in about 30 seconds.
What are u gonna do with 4 drill charges??
Redesign the interior of any building I think has enemies in it.
@@Rashed1255 Get the record for most campers killed in a match
@@hobojoe9717 this is what I like to see
@@daniguess Can other guns use this attachment? Im guessing so, as you mentioned overkill
I feel like you glossed over the fact this might be one of the most consistent full auto weapons in the game. These damage numbers are excellent! I’ve found it to be a brilliant rifle to use in ground war and you can flip it into semi auto and pick people off. I’m loving it!
I think you should be able to pick which fire mode is on the gun if you add an underbarrel launcher, or shotgun. Really they should just make it realistic and have the gun still have select fire, even with an underbarrel.
That prefire delay explains SO much what my experience has been with this gun. It feels like I have a little bit of lag when I use it that I could not explain. Overall though I do still think it is a pretty decent battle rifle, even in full auto. The full auto recoil is VERY manageable when compared to the other battle rifles which combined with the damage makes it a pretty beastly option if you can deal with that prefire delay.
I'm just so happy the general dynamics NGSW contender gets to live on in call of duty. I really feel like it was the superior rifle over the sig.
Potentially it is but I feel like they chose SIG mainly for the Trigger group package and the Steel Base ammo and that it's not a bullpup, which is what our military hates, idk why, the Aug and a few others are good examples of what can be done with bullpups and it would fit our fighting style more, screw the Timmy's who don't know how to shoot more than an AR-15 platform
@@deterrencedispensed4780 i think that the SiG offer is the more familiar option for soldiers, all the ergonomics of the MCX spear is already pretty damn similar to the older M4 rifles. meanwhile the RM277 is a lot less familiar, plus the bullpup design as well
@@richie_0740 That's why I said they picked Sig for mainly but it makes no sense when our fighting strategies ( Ex 0211 aka Armorer in Marine Corps here ) would benefit from Bullpups over Traditional, fuck all the whiners who can't just pick up a gun and get familiar with it just because it's different, it's not even that difficult to get the hang of a bullpup
You have to think about the difficulties of mag changes while prone
@@jordancameron4441 I'm no convinced its all the different. you just train for the new system. Hell all the D.O.D. does is training, training, some more training.
For how mush the SPEAR is (minus vortex optic) I would expect more of a leap in small arms technology, and not just, "this is the new M14 basically" and we all know how well that went over.
I have no clue why its so American to hate what other counties are doing i.e. bullpups.
Just a quick complement:
1) The underbarrel drill has half the bullet drop of a underbarrel grenade launcher. However, you cannot equip any underbarrel launcher together with the 50 rounds drum mag. This may hurt its effectiveness in WZ.
2) There is a unique stock wrap attachment that improves handling without harming the recoil. I guess Ace missed it.
Can you please cover the attachment changes? These could massively change how we build guns
Miss the days attachments just made our guns better so we didn’t have to watch RUclips videos
@@ryanmccluan7467 that is not mainly the issue, it's the fact that they made the current attachments so vast yet so vague in what they do and how they impact every gun. It got a bit better that now you can see the sweetspots when tuning
Tldr lack of visibility
@@marine5323 on top of the hidden stats, the bugged stats, duplicate appearing attachments, bogus stat bars, convoluted weapon tuning
@@ryanmccluan7467 yeah bro 😂🥲
@@shampwoo I’ve actually found that the stat bars are more accurate than you’d think. Before ace put out his videos on ads times I was able to determine the faster attatchments from looking at the stats. Sometimes the changes are minor but you can definitely see them. You just need to know which bars to look at for which attachments.
People complain about this gun's open bolt delay, but they probably don't remember the MW2019 Uzi prior to the .41 AE rounds. The gun with 9mm rounds was subpar and the open bolt delay made it even worse.
There were other guns with it as well. (Though I didn't find the UZI to be sub par without .41 AE, personally.) but it was mostly in LMGs. Which I feel were still a lot more viable in 2019 than now. Outside of running AUG H-BAR or RPK with lower cap mags they feel playfully slow.
Yeah well at least the Uzi is actually an open bolt gun while this gun is not so it does not really make sense. The model shows a closed bolt and the inspect and reload animations present it as closed bolt.
@@feariex True. But it's one of the only bullpups in the game aside from the AUG variants. BPs have notoriously bad triggers usually due to the linkages required, and the bigger/more powerful the cartridge the heavier they need to be. So, I'm just guessing but it could be an emulation, of a long trigger pull. I dunno! Also could be that with it's damage potential being higher than the Taq-V on average, they found it as the easiest way to balance it for the current way that damages are setup.
No let me correct your comment. I remember from Ace’s gun guide that the Uzi was open bolt but the gun had no delay in game. So that isn’t correct. Also even with the .41 AE rounds, it was good but so were many of the SMGs & imo at least, the Striker-45 wasn’t much different from it & I just preferred using that. .41 AE Uzi was probably a bit overrated.
So yeah, people have every right to complain about the open bolt delay
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I been playing cod since the original mw2 and man you and these knives only.. are my top favs
I seriously love this gun, it’s one of my favorites added into the game
man i didnt realize you are basically activision customer service help. lmao. doing gods work. hope youre making enough to get by considering you arent a scammer that sells out. god bless
that initial kick gets me a headshot like 9 out of 10 times. already raked in 2600 kills with it so far. its op.
Istg this gun definitely needs the 30rnd mags no matter what in full-auto. It just chews up ammo rather quickly and the recoil is rather high which makes it weird to engage long range targets with continuous fire with the normal 20rnd and the 30rnd helps... ALOT.
thanks for the mentioning the pre-fire delay. my friends and i just couldn't figure out what felt off about this gun, and that's it, 100%
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Hey Ace what about the custom suppressor Cronen SP-DR that's exclusive to this gun you didn't mention anything about it when you talked about the composite ammo and undermounted drill, would have been cool to see the values on that one as well.
Or is it just a reskin of a different suppressor and that's why you skipped it ?
I've only gotten to pick it up off the ground once so far. It seemed pretty stock with just a thirty round mag so ADS was slow, but I didn't even register the delay in full auto. It's the gun I'm going for first, but taking 20 or 25 tokens to get to it from the start is a painful joke for trying to get it when seeing people with Black Cell running around with both right off the rip. Though I've seen the intervention way more period. Because it makes people go into quick scope mode painfully quick. The annoyance and drop in my KD is real.
Hopefully if they add the MCX Spear it will be a true competitor to the SCAR-H
They should definitely buff the composite 6.8 ammo too, spice things up a bit. If possible, add composite ammo options for 5.56 6.5 creedmoor and 7.62x51 as well just like IRL True Velocity
Note for people trying to make a build for recoil control, i've found that horizontal recoil control attachments help a lot with both types of recoil whereas vertical ones seem to not help that much with neither, also, dunno if it's just me, but combs and rear grips seem to not help at all(?, like I fell when I put them they don't stack and/or negate the effects of the muzzle and foregrip, so, I recommend longest barrel, frac ripper and the muzzle that helps horizontal and vertical (in that order), then mag of choice and low zoom optic (I also feel long and mid ones buff the recoil somehow).
Hope I helped if anyone disagrees or has different ideas/builds I would love to know.
Take care y'all, and have fun
That pre fire delay kills my interest.
Lol what, you must hate every single open bolt gun to exist since 2019 then
It's almost nothing, I use the sakin and it feels like nothing
ive been using it for 2 days and didnt know it had it till now
It's not even noticeable
@@tankiller9638 it just doesn't make sense. On LMG it makes sense because many of those are open bolt. No modern battle rifle would be manufactured to be open bolt, open bolts are a detriment to accuracy due to the reciprocating mass at the moment of firing. I don't dislike open bolt weapons just no battle, assault, marksman, or sniper rifle would be manufactured with an open bolt. Maybe in the past at some point but not in decades and certainly not something modern.
The cronen Squall is based on Lonestar RM277
I needed this video! Thank you so much Ace you’re a life saver
I run it semi auto and have enjoyed it immensely. I run it for speed, so majority of the attachments are for ADS and Sprint Out improvements. Might run the drill launcher for a bit of fun.
Now that the suppressor/ghost issue is fixed, can you start mixing in some stealth setups in your gun guides? Or better yet, make a dedicated top 5 stealth guns video?
He made a dedicated video going over the stealth changes and the best muzzles, for this one use the FR Titan, no ads penalty
I was waiting for this video since I unlocked it today so thank you 🙏❤️
New Anti Camp build now has 3 drill charges, oh baby.
Put on restock and you have infinite 😂
Keep it up Ace! You always do a great job. Hopefully, you'll get to 1M soon
Is agree. The recoil is significant but it’s consistent, so it’s easy to manually control with your left joystick.
It is a shame the composite ammo doesn't replicate the most important aspect of the real life true velocity rounds: they have less recoil than brass ammunition.
With how little recoil the gun has by default, such a benefit would probably be negligible. And I suspect the devs will want to add another 6.8 gun so they might not want to give such an ammo type such a benefit anyway.
Thank you Ace! Had no idea about the fire delay! I knew this gun felt weird!
Haven't even noticed the pre-fire delay. Loving this in dmz
Any info on how does it do against kill streaks?
Specially compared to the SO-14.
It’s strong. Takes UAVs out pretty easily without reloading with 30-round mag fitted
I’ve not used it in semi-auto yet 🙈
As a dmz player, this is my go to gun, simply because it gets a damage boost in semi auto fire. Full auto is a 3 shot down, semi auto is a 2 shot down. At range the semi auto is even more viable. This gun easily puts down any other weapon in the mode as long as you have decent gun skill and land your shots.
I haven't unlocked it yet but does the fire delay not totally mess up longish range shots? Those need precise timing to hit headshots and lead targets, 45ms seems like a giant pain in the ass. Looking forward to trying it out myself.
It messes things up for me, especially in HC. Some people use it like an AR.
Polyatomic camo challenge is currently bugged and is not counting headshots in either firemode. The gun also isn't tracking mastery challenge progression.
The underbarrel drill charge also goes with the M13 and works in Ranked
Was waiting for this vid O.o
For some reason, even out of the gate without attachments I've really been vibing with the gun!
Open bolt delay is a bummer, but I’ve been using this a lot since the new season started and while I like it, I don’t think it’s as good or versatile as the FTAC Recon, which is still my favorite primary in the game. It might be replacing the SO-14 and TAQ-V as the other battle rifle I mess around with when I want some variety. I wish I could set it to default to semi-auto in the Gunsmith, though. I also prefer it in semi-auto, but it’s annoying to have to change it every time I load into a match.
Do you think you could take another look at recoil smoothness? I can't be sure, but I swear that it makes some difference (although possibly negligible) now...
It definitely does. Just testing with a suppressor and without, the gun feels more accurate with it.
@@Latinblood59 yeah, I was testing it with the M4 and echoline--the recoil seemed to be brought down a just a bit.
@@gingerwitch64 yeah, it’s odd because when Ace does the testing, there’s no difference in recoil. So, I wonder if it only applies when shooting an actual target? Not sure
@@Latinblood59 it may have be a new change added/"patched" this season
this might be my new favourite gun it just feels so rewarding and satisfying
I think IW are just outright giving all bullpups better sprint-out times, or at least it seems to be that way
That drill charge launcher sounds fun
This gun reminds me of the bal 27 obsidian steed from AW. Very similar iron sights and stats
Just not as fast firing as the Obsidian Steed nor as quick on the mobility overall but I agree, pretty comparable
It's like the pre patch TAQ-V but bullpup and cooler
This gun is the new Meta for hardcore. 1 shot anywhere on the torso in full auto at any range. Flip to semi for 1 shot anywhere on the body when killing at range. Closest you could get before was the Karov 762 at around 47m range, and the RAAL LMG with a 1 shot anywhere but horrible handling.
underbarrel drillcharge goes hard
The Squall shreds, every time I use it, I have a positive K/D, this gun is one word: OP
For a two shot kill in semi auto shouldn't you add the pre-fire delay twice? That would make a significant difference here.
Semi auto doesn't have the prefire delay, I was interested in testing this when I heard about it, and it actually replicates the real life function of the weapon almost properly. Semi auto fires from closed bolt, full auto fires from open.
If you listen closely you can hear the difference between the trigger click noise and gun firing.
@@johntravoltage959 That's really interesting, thanks.
That's the gun who lost to SIG Spear as the new standard issued rifle for US army. Good to see it being revived here.
They should’ve modeled it with the weird plastic case ammo it uses
@@bradenmchenry995 What do you think the composite ammo type is?
The Tempus muzzle attachment is arguably the best muzzle in the game imo. It reduces muzzle climb SUBSTANTIALLY. I use it on most guns
FYI the real gun is called the NGSW rifle made by General Dynamics and it shoots the same caliber in game (6.8)
With the 50 round drum I wonder how this compares to the SO-14 as a streak melter
Can't wait to get this gun !
I can't wait to pair my drill launcher up with drill charges. Ulitmate hardpoint clearing setup.
Now all we need is a backpack belt fed LMG with a healthy 400 rounds.
In full auto, it's basically a better handling RAAL with less ammo. It's crazy.
Hey Ace, could you possibly do a video on the thermal scopes in this game? I think thermals work amazing on the new black gold map
Favstar did a great youtube video on thermals. Just search for it.
First impression is pretty good in my eyes. I haven't used any attachments on it so far, because I am playing around with the naked gun, but I really enjoy the feel of the gun.
It really does fee like an LMG with the handling of an AR. It’s super satisfying.
The change in recoil direction in semi v auto mode was seen in guns like an94 in mw19 as well. they seem to like doing these mechanics
Ace, can you mention the damage stats for hardcore in these gun guides? Im not asking for a ton of info, just wondering what the one-shot range is for hardcore and wheather you'd use it in hc or not. Love the content 👍
I can understand having an open bolt delay in full-auto mode, but it should switch to a closed bolt with no delay when in semi-auto. Otherwise, what's the point of using semi-auto and trying to land headshots if people are going to move by the time the gun actually fires?
This seems to be CODs version of my KelTec RFB
I may be dumb for asking this but does that firing delay happen every time you pull the trigger in semi auto? Or does it only apply to the first shot? How would that work?
It's the first round as long as you don't stop for a long time
not dumb, was about to ask the same thing! If every shot in semi mode has the 45ms delay, I don't see how it could be viable in semiauto...
@@habijjj how long are you able to stop shooting for before it applies again? Feel like that’s a bad grey area
@@johky I think it resets after 1-2 seconds after shooting continuously
Great content as usual!! Just wondering if you have any updates on in game settings like controller etc
I just realized that rounds are spelled as rdunds on the full-auto build graphic.
This gun was a pain to get longshots with that recoil even with a sakin tread 40 and lockgrip combo is crazy
Can the drill charge launcher be used on other guns? Or just this one?
This thing slaps in search, which I never play I queued quick play for all cause I was bent about getting into 6v6 ground wars repeatedly so I just said I’ll send it and sit out whatever happens and got search. And I got told to “chill” and was apparently exceptionally sweaty dropping an sae on the poor children playing Al bagra fortress, sorry other randoms I didn’t know it was that sweaty when I queued with it
No matter what mode your playing especially in WZ (In full auto) you should use the 50 round drum
Almost have it maxed. This thing is a beast.
how does semi auto pre fire delay work with this gun?
is it delay then fire out to til the end of the magazine or delay per shot?
and under what circumstances does the delay reactivate?
If a 45ms pre-fire delay is causing you to miss targets, you need to practice tracking more. You should continuing to track your opponent, even as you're pulling the trigger.
The composite ammo should reduce the firing delay not sprint to fire delay
A underbarrel doesnt hurt any of your weapon's handling,but a small muzzle compensater will increase 40ms ads time lmao
I do like this gun but as with a lot of the LMG's the open bolt delay can mess with you a bit.
Idk its just weird me or what. But by hearing my mouse clicking and how gunshot differently sync with it, I’m pretty sure semi auto prefire delay is a bit shorter than full auto.
Leveled this gun up in like an hour, it fucking rips.
Are you going to make a video talking about the nerf to lasers?
Ill have to try some of these builds out, but I have been seeing better success with irons over a sight. It just has a good ironsight in my opinion. So maybe that opens me up to another attachment on the one shot build.
This gun does slap, I just wish my polyatomic challenge would track so I can put on that Orion camo
It’s definitely good at disabling the tact sprint that’s for sure.
The prefire delay makes sense on revolvers and LMG's because those usually fire from an open bolt. A modern battle rifle which this is supposed to be would not be open bolt it would be closed bolt thus no pre fire delay. It doesn't make sense they added a quirk just for the sake if having one. Or weapon balancing I guess 😕
my guess is it's due to famously shitty bullpup triggers, but the aug doesn't have it so 🤷♂
Most likely the guns really good
@@Shadowtalon7 they may be trying simulate that, fair point.
@@Shadowtalon7 also they make custom triggers for the Aug and tavor that fixes that.
Not to be that guy... but... irl the rm277 it is based on does fire full auto from an open bolt. However semi auto is closed bolt. I suspect if the bolt had been locked open before switching to semi, you would still have a delay on the first shot as the bolt still has to travel forward. It was designed this way because irl this gun was meant to use polymer cased (as opposed to normal brass) ammo. Polymer ammo makes managing the heat of the gun harder, so the open bolt allows for more cooling.
What's the point of pre fire delay?
I love the drill charge thing. Riot shielders beware
It's annoying the underbarrel drill isn't available on all assault rifles which can take the regular undebarrel fumpf
@TheXclusiveAce: Can you make a video clip about testing the 4 vests? I'm confused when there were a player who wore a stealth vest got spotted by my uav tower, and about the comms vest, i don't know how does it work. For example: when it plays a 1 ping sound means the enemies is far, 2 ping means enemies getting closer and 3 ping means enemies is really close, and when the UAV tower is turned on, the comms vest didn't show the difference between player and bot, it just showed the same as Advaned UAV.
Im not too sure what you’re referring to. This sounds like something relating to Warzone and I don’t play that game at all so I know next to nothing about it
This gun is such a beast in HC
It's flipping amazing
This is yet another example in this game of "Rifle is fine". It needs no attachments to be effective. I've got it almost maxed and the only thing I've put on it was a basic hipfire laser. Reminds me of using the RAAL but as a rifle instead of an LMG
That blueprint is the camo we should have got for gold camo in this game
unrelated but are you planning on doing any Xdefiant content soon?
Wonder when they're gonna fix the bug causing it to show we're always getting 1ms to 2ms ping
(Cronen Squall Camo Bugged)
The Polyatomic camo: get 25 HEADSHOT
Not tracking, awaiting Fix from upcoming update. Tried everything! Alot of people have this problem.
Mind you I have Unlocked ORION MASTERY CAMO ALREADY.😊