ECHO REVIEW | What a HOT Mess
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Echo, one of Marvel's works, hits Disney Plus. I decided to give it a watch and my review.
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No matter how much marvel tries, the one-true-amputee superhero will always remain Bucky, the winter soldier !
“I’m gonna need that arm” - Rocket Raccoon probably
Here's to the man that supported his best friend, lost twenty years, turned into a weapon by the nazis, framed for regicide, fought a war against a mad titan, and forgave himself for what he was made to do.
@@exosuite and later became a terrorist defender in fatws...
@@Сайтаменwe don't need to remember that show do we? 😂
Also, shout out to the multiple amputee characters in Agents of Shield who are characters aside from that one aspect of their character! 🥂
Facts man facts
It’s ridiculous how pathetic they made the Kingpin here. He was a terrifying villain in DareDevil, but now he’s a wimpy simp for the main character.
in the main comics, he definitely would kill Maya for what she did to him. Despite still loving her like a daughter.
in MCU, Why trust her? why want her to come back to the frey again? Why didn't he threaten her for shooting his eye and starting a war?
Because he can convert her to the dark side...wait, wrong mythology.
Reminds me of what Rings of power did to a certain Dark Lord.
Echo is the Rey of the MCU
Yet they are calling him the "Thanos of the street level characters". Give me a break
You can also put the car into neutral, go onto the grass, and let the resistance slow you down, so it's not like there's only one way to stop a car with no brakes.
Exactly or drop to a lower gear and use the engine to brake.
Never put the car in neutral when attempting to slow down. As long as your foot is entirely off the gas pedal, the engine in gear will impart more resistance to rolling than neutral will. If you need to slow down faster, keep shifting down until you get to first. Once you are traveling at idle speed, 2 to 3 mph, shut off the engine.
You can also just hit a wall
You can also just hit a wall
Not the ideal way to stop, but still an option. More to Alteori's point, there were were LOTS of options@davidaugustofc2574
"You know that Thanos/Gamora father/adopted daughter dynamic? It worked once, let's recycle that!"
Green Light!
The fact echo even lasted longer than 1 second against daredevil is hilarious.
My guess is kingpin organized his fake daredevil to test maya. No clue if im right cuz idk where echo takes place in the timeline but I assume its atleast before the end of daredevil but also after he got the suit
In the comics where she could literally echo a person's powers by watching the movements, it would make sense. We're supposed to believe she innately has this power even before she summons her ancestor's abilities because she's the bestest woman ever. (I'm just going to leave now.)
@@RedTheWeebunfortunately no. That was the real Charlie Cox Daredevil that she amazingly stood up to without years of specialized training or supernatural ability granted by her female ancestors or [insert bullshit here.]
@@joshuacryou said it yourself, in the cómics, she doesn’t do any of that here, even her name that is supposed to represent that ability has a different meaning.
Its also been pointed out how ridiculous it is, that in Daredevil S1, the Kingpin has learned Chinese and Japanese in secret so he's able to listen to his business partners converse without them knowing how intelligent he is, but here, he hasn't learned sign language for his own adopted daughter?
Well by that logic that it is pretty stupid that he hasn't learned to sign. Guessing they wrote it that way so that he could seem more of a bad guy but that's weird writing because he did learn to sign, "I love you."
@@Alteori They did it to make him weaker because the Kingpin from Daredevil, loving her or not, would have killed Maya for shooting him. He would NEVER basically begged her to come back after what she did so they had to change and weaken him so the show even works. The Kingpin has loyalty but it has its limits and he is eternally practical when it comes to betrayal, he's also a beast on the level that has gone hand to hand with Captain America and would have killed him if Falcon did not show up.
I see it as a power move
learning other languages to talk to other powerful crime bosses.
but won't learn sign language for someone under him.
@@Digger318 Considering how much he simps for Maya especially after she SHOT HIM IN THE FACE...
Safe to say he doesnt see her as below him💀😭
@@no.1spidey-fan182 it's kinda like domestic violence? he was putting up a front then didn't want to loose someone he considers "family"
even at the end he said to kill all her family 1st.
Calling 5 episodes a 'season' is a tragedy.
It originally was 8 episodes but it was such a mess they almost cancelled it but made such a big deal about the actress that Feige cut, pasted and cobbled together this 5 episodes of ugh.
Even British series aren't that short.
Castlevania Season 1 was 4 episodes TwT
From the director of “Meh”, and the producer of “Nyeh”, comes “BLEHHHH”
You can get away with it in the UK because they make much better stories fit into 3 hours but this travesty should be buried alongside the Immortals? Was that what that one with the guy who didn't talk? Gosh that was terrible.
The fight with Daredevil really ruined any chance for me to like this show for me. It was ridiculous. I’m a double below knee amputee & I use prosthetic legs. There is absolutely no way she would have the mobility to fight like that. When you have no leg, ankle or muscles below your knee you cannot move like that. Your foot literally does not articulate the way her stunt doubles does. You simply can’t run, jump, push kick or balance like normal. Honestly it pissed me off.
Don't you know her magical female ancestors always gave her that ability in the first place? *Smfh*
The actress is actually an amputee and you just saw her move like that.
@@Dru2037 stunt doubles used likely
I just don’t think you were trying very hard…
But the purple alien who killed everyone with magic rocks was more realistic? 😂
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HOT 🔥 GARBAGE 🗑 @AITEORI ❤ ECHO SERIES REVIEW 👌
Who are you and why do you keep commenting like this, bot?@@brandonscott5544
Instead of *Echo,* they should've named this show *Hollow.* This whole plot practically feels empty.
Echo's original powers was that she can copy stuff she sees. She's proficient at specific things cuz she watched someone else do them and copies it.
But they said that power is lame, even though, judging from the show, it's kinda questionable why there's any conflict when she has all these powers for any situation. Echo had limitations on what she could copy, like she can't copy superhuman abilities.
Not to mention her being deaf leaves her open to stuff she can't notice via hearing.
Like, idk about anyone else, but I think I would prefer to see her original powers. XD
Wow, that actually sounds super cool. Not to mention that it ties in nicely to her deafness, as she would be used to learning through mimicing what she sees instead of listening to an explanation.
@@saddlerrye6725 That's a great point! I didn't make that connection but it makes a lot of sense.
That power they called lame is the main power of a bunch of popular characters. It's like a default cool power for combat characters. It's op but creators usual remember to highlight the body can mimic moves but not strength so the character has to understand how to implement the skill to their advantage. These folks have no imagination and that's why they dismiss cool things as "lame".
A young Michelle Rodriguez would've killed a role like this. I know the ethnicity doesn't match up, but a actress with her innate badass vibe would've been so cool to watch.
So she's a cheap version of Task master
@@gaaraofthefunk2011 Funny enough, this seems to be a common power, 3 other characters in Marvel have it (Echo being one), and even Deathstroke has it.
In the comics, Echo can fight on par with daredevil because she had experience and powers equal yet opposite to daredevil. In the comics she is called Echo because if anyone comes within her range of eyesight, she can mimic any movement/action they do almost perfectly to an almost foresight degree. Daredevil is similar but with hearing. In the show however she's called Echo for a completely different reason that is not as compelling. Her amount of experience in the show is not at all like the comics and makes no sense how she can actually fight Daredevil.
It makes a lot of sense... she uses the power of being a strong female character...🤭
I mean even in the comics its dumb that she would be able to keep up with daredevil. Even more so in this show
Especially being chubby with one leg the waif fu is comical
@@Johnathanbyers with everything OP explained, how It would have been dumb?
@@Halfort57because Daredevil is more experienced and fought and won against much harder enemies. Also, if Daredevil adapts to his enemies based on the surrounding sounds, shouldn't his attacks be unpredictable? How can you copy something if you don't know what is coming next?
At this rate I'm convinced someone at Disney has a button sitting in their office that says "In case of emergency summon Daredevil"
Or
Summon the twittards, Xtards now?, and call everyone who doesn't like the show all the ists and phobes available.
Yeah because Daredevil is one of the few Marvel-related things recently that everyone liked. So, they have to milk it for all it's worth.
Probably cause it's painful to watch him 'fight' someone he should've been able to take out in under 15 seconds 😂
Lol fr
It must be incredibly frustrating to be Daredevil, or the actor of Daredevil, to be so wanted by the fans, yet Disney is just so stupid they won't give you a chance.
The difference between Echo and Daredevil is that Daredevil struggled to get as good as he was, he built up his endurance and skills, Echo just has whatever she needs to win, that's why no one likes her, she should not be able to put up any kind of a fight to him with all he's been through.
Daredevil had set backs, loud noises and overhwelming states. He could be render useless with a bell, he also lost many things, his lovers and his place, he had struggled with many issues and while blindness was never portrayed as a negative he had also regrets with his vision.
Echo just happens to be have everything perfect for her, so perfect that the antagonist was actually grooming her, not anyone, but her. To take his place and she was so damn petty that trought the story she've been building herself to become the new "King" ping but denied it, simply by the fact it was him that gave her the option.
Trully stupid writting.
he also got the living shit beaten out of him even when he won. He paid a steep physical price for his convictions. For those who haven't seen the show, we're talking having to literally get himself stitched up even after he saves the day. He often then has to go talk to a priest to ease his conscience.
It's not just him being a good fighter that defines him as a hero
but yeah, that's why Daredevil is actually interesting, not his disability and ethnicity
This Echo is just another Mary Sue, pulling whatever mystical power she needs at the moment, out of her magical ass, because "muh ancestors". This typical feminist trope of perfect wahman, that can do everything and be everything, because she is a wahman, without any effort, talent or training.
@@joseroa5243 right?!
@@petriew2018 exactly!
I think what's more frustrating is that they are hiding behind the terrible writing for this series. They are only talking about the representation for Native Americans, Deaf people, and amputees. They are using representation as a shield and it's so stupid. Representation in media is important no doubt but if it's the only thing you are willing to talk about then don't even bother. There are plenty of movies that show good representation AND have a good story.
Prey (2022) is so freaking good! They even have a Comanche version where everyone speaks Comanche.
A Quiet Place has a deaf actress with sign language and subtitles for them. (This movie isn't perfect but it's better than Echo.)
We can't forget Bucky who needs no explanation.
Really, the main point is that you can have good representation in media but don't prioritize it over story because if you do, then eventually people will see through it and no longer support it.
PRECISELY!
Exactly Bucky is a wonderful example that marvel has in their arsenal to look at 🤦♀️
This. You can have representation *and* good story. It's when that certain individuals who do The Message think you can *substitute* representation *instead* of story. This is the crap we get.
(Also, I doubt we will ever get a Bucky Barnes story because Katherine Kennedy is in charge of Disney. You know, he's a man. How I would love a Winter Soldier TV series, then or now.)
@@joshuacr A winter soldier tv series would be great...if only it was done during the avengers era and not now....i guesa if someone other than the current person was over it.
and chubby you forgot chubby ,chubby waif fu
The reason the mother didn't heal the daughter's deafness is because that would be considered ableism. And Disney needs echo to be disability representation on top of female and indigenous representation. So naturally they can't just "heal" her disability. That would be morally irresponsible 🙄
That makes no damn sense 😂😂😂😂😂😂 omg I'm dead
She's a girl-boss who can take on anyone.
Except maybe fire-water
😂😂😂shit
Nooooo! 😭😆
ANNOYING GIRLS BOSSES.
Don't worry, she'll have a flashback to one of her female ancestors who is a really good drinker. *smfh*
I have some reservations about that joke.
As Choctaw I'm devastated to learn my powers won't activate as im not a female... Wait, It's time to become one so I can activate my powers
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
3:07 In the drivers defense it's easy to forget things like emergency brakes in a stressful situation. I know a person that completely forgot how a fire extinguisher worked while their kitchen was on fire because they were too busy panicking .
Natural selection I guess lol. My ex and I were in a situation where the brakes on his pickup failed and he pulled the handbrake and was a less experienced driver than me. If you cannot exercise a basic - in case of emergency - in a vehicle that can kill people, then you ought not to be driving it. She had copious amounts of time. Better writing would have been showing her pull he E-brake and the car still not stop.
Also lol I was in a situation where my OTHER exboyfriend's mother's house caught on fire. That ex was in a wheelchair so his younger brother came and got me and was freaking out. I watched him panic and use a TINY TINY bowl to run frantically back and forth with water for which 90% of it spilled out before reaching the blazing fire that was climbing up the curtains. Maybe it's bc I'm calm in those situations but I walked away into his little sister's room and looked around for material that was flammable and found one of his sister's parkas.
I used her jacket to beat the fire out from the couch and the curtains. HOLY SHIT THE SMOKE!!! IT FELT LIKE GLASS IN MY LUNGS and NOW i know why people die of smoke inhalation. I almost passed out and wanted to get out before I did. But I pushed through bc some of the animals were still in he house and I didn't want my bf and his family to lose their house.
I managed to put out the fire with that little pink coat, but the house was now inundated with black smoke. I quickly got the turtles out. I grabbed the two cats that were scratching at the windows. I felt so bad remembering that. They were terrified but they let me pick them up. Lol I had two cats under one arm and a bigass turtle in the other hand LOL. Lookng back at it now I can laugh. My bf had gone out bc his room was on the far side of the house with the ramp. His little brother had bounced a long time ago when he realized it was fruitless.
He fking left me in there 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 But RIGHT after I place the anmals in my bf bathroom which was the farthest from the smoke and fire. I went out the front door and the firemen were just pulling up.
They went inside and one asked if I was ok. I was coughing so much it was hard to talk. They asked if I put out the fire or something like that. The guy was impressed and jokingly asked if I wanted to be a fireman 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Then the cop that was asking questions after had a hard time believing I was dating my wheelchair bound bf. He looked at me and then him and shook his head lol. WOW. ANYWAYS..... all that to say I guess it depends on the person but then maybe it would benefit some people to have survival lessons. Same with what they do with little babies if they fall in a pool. They have classes to train babies to flip onto their back.
As grownups though, we must be ready when operating dangerous items esp to protect our families.
@@Alteori even showing the handbrake failing is not enough to save this sh*t show, DUDE YOU HAVE TONS OF GRASS TO YOUR SIDES, NOT A MILE DEEP CLIFF
also theres Neutral you can shift down into and using controlled swerves would slow you down
But not forget to interact with her Muted Daughter.😂
That's lack of training, when you panic you cannot think, if you're trained you don't need to think.
When people panic they don't forget how to walk, they know how to walk, and they do it often enough that it doesn't matter. For stressful situations just prepare.
Thank you for your sacrifice
Yes my child
@@Alteori😂😂😂
You're correct Alteori, the Daredevil we got on Netflix and in the comics, would make light work of Echo.
Even the non supernatural version of Electra would kick Echo's ass. Agreed!
Blind > Deaf...😅
IF the studio wanted to truly "represent" indigenous characters and people, they shouldn't have rewrite their origins fit an activist narrative. Which to me is the most "racist" thing anyone can do besides mistranslating "other" countries content.
You know whats kinda funny and fucked up
The fact that even when her mother appears as a spirit to her, she still has to do sign language to communicate to her, she cant talk to her i mean a magical force would probably transcend stuff like language
OMMGMGGG RIGHT!!!!! I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT 💀💀
R E P R E S E N T A T I O N . 😅🤣
I thought the mother was also deaf. Whatever, this was a hot mess; moving on....
😅
because that's how she remembers her mom, there's no need to change it up
I saw someone point out that Echo's leg was amputated because a piece of window glass from the accident mutilated it.
Of course every car from the 1960s on has tempered glass, which fragments on impact to prevent injuring the occupants.
Disney does not do facts...🤷♂️
Echo in the comics, her powers are similar to Taskmaster. In that she is able to mimic the skills and techniques of anyone she sees. No matter how advanced the combat or skill is, once she's seen it, she can mimic it. Thats how she's able to keep up with characters like Daredevil who have more experience than her.
That being said, her deafness is a weakness for her. She's like what Daredevil is with sight. Daredevil is blind, but his other senses are heightened to make up for it to superhuman levels. She's deaf and the same is for her. She doesn't even sign that much in the comics, she can carry a normal conversation due to her training to read lips, even through her peripheral vision and she has occasionally been shown to make out some words through a fabric mask like Spider-Mans. However, she cant understand people like Iron Man when his helmets down. And she's completely useless in a dark room where she cant see.
Her powers and her limits made her interesting. She had a physical limit, but she worked hard to overcome it and is able to live a semi normal life because of it. But course Disney/Marvel had to botch the entire thing and completely change her character and powers. Heck they even changed her tribe. They just completely changed her character to fit their narrative. No repeat for the source material or the fans that actually liked her character.
FACTS. Keep on spreading that TRUTH. Sick of seeing MCU stans defend this MOCKERY😐. This Echo omly shares a name with the comic character. They are FAR from the same people
I'm not even a huge Echo fan. I mainly know her from the Insomniac Spiderman prequel novel and she was so cool in that. And adaptation from a book where she isnt evem a main character had more respect for her than this series with HER name on it😑
Since Alaqua Cox is actually deaf (it’s no longer acceptable to cast hearing actors as deaf characters), she _can’t_ speak, nor can she lip-read (which no one actually can).
@@Markunator "no longer acceptable" lmaoo yes it is just like its acceptable for a non blind person to play a blind character
The real Kingpin wouldn't take any kind of incompetence, especially from an asassin who shot him in the eye. I kinda get that she’s his “daughter”. He would do anything for his wife, so why would he even willing to give his throne for Maya?
"Not the brightest bulb in the tanning bed" LMFAO. This show was a MESS. Thanks for the laughs.
Cringe
@@Marvelfanatic3658 I loved ur first album
How can anyone defend this show when its climax was literally Echo summoning the ghost of all her female warrior ancestors to fight Fisk and 10 goons
You forgot that she granted the women of her bloodline to have her power too because they're her women.
(I'm trying not to crack up or scream how horrible this is.)
I didn't mind Echo in Hawkeye and gave her a chance... Now, I really don't wanna see her again. How lame her next adventures will be with that sh*tty "ancestors powers" ??
I definitely did not climax seeing this...🤦♂️🤦♀️
Because most of us didn't have high expectations for a show about a side character.
@@Dru2037 You basically just said that the show is pointless and shouldn't exist💀
This had eleven writers. ELEVEN writers. I'm convinced at this point writers rooms are strictly to pass off blame for the final product. 'I didn't write that. Steve did! It was all his fault!'
Fucken Steve...🤦♂️🤦♀️
Kingpin's way better written and more imposing in the Daredevil show. In fact that whole show's just way better than any of the Disney plus Marvel shows
It's great how Alteori can make something as boring as Echo entertaining😊
Right? 😁
Absolutely! 🤣
I'd use tolerable but yes, you have a point
I personally enjoyed it. Idk why people dont like it so much. I watched it today actually
the flashbacks are such utter nonsense when you know anything about Choctaw culture : They're a matrillineal clan system. Women run the families and you belong to your mothers family line. Women are considered more important because they can give life, the most important thing to the clan. Men go to war because they are expendable, ultimately less important. They don't exercise power over the women because of this, there was no singular chief, it was a council of men and women who ran the affairs of the clan groups. Being a 'life giver' put you above the 'life takers'.
So every time one of her ancestor is girlbossing it up, she's disrespecting her own culture... but being authentically native american is only important up until it gets in the way of modern sociopolitical causes, i guess.
@40:57 dude. Alteori's laugh alone makes me have to pause the video to have a giggle fit of my own. It's freaking contagious!
Wtf she hurt a bird and the bird is suffering while they talk and im supposed to see them as good guys?!
I was expecting her to shoot the bird immediately after they released it.
I haven't finished the video yet but you wanting them to follow the person with the biggest booty got you an early like.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
'nippleless women' did it for me :)
Alteori is so based XD
To quote a person who summed it up years ago ""See, it's not enough for the new diverse indigenous woman in the universe to be just as competent as everyone else, oh no. She has to be Super indigenous and beat the snot out of everybody else in the entire crime underworld."
What I loved and impressed me the most was the alleged actors ability to maintain the same facial expression in every scene, for the entire show regardless of what was happening
Alteori's adorable feather fox avatar and angry ranting makes everything better.
“Daredevil” and then “the Punisher” are MORE than worth a watch! Fantastic character development, real stakes, and good pacing. Kingpin is on a DIFFERENT LEVEL in “Daredevil”-the writing keeps up with the actor’s talent
That reminds me how much I loved the Punisher in the Daredevil original series.
Punisher is a fantastic show, I slept on it because, well, MCU but I saw a few clips of it and decided to give it a shot and I am glad I did. It is very much worth a watch as is Daredevil, both very good shows.
At this point, I want to see a HAWT mess instead of a hot mess. If you’re gonna make something this messy, at least make everyone pretty to look at.
"That's Racist!" - Disney (probably)
@@giovannibermudezjr Hmm. . . Someone, at Disney, *PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, IN SIMPLE, SINGLE DETAIL, HOW "THAT'S RACIST!"*
Then I guess you're looking for R rated comedies from the 2000s then🤔😂
You know her original power of photographic reflexes, where she can learn how to do anything just by seeing it was way more impressive and would make for a better story.
"..the dry personality of an old woman's sn@tch or a scorched cat."
That is lyrical poetry. That made me laugh so hard.
You are a treasure to the World. May God bless you in 1000 ways Seen and Unseen, Alteori.
I loved this show. It had the funniest fight scenes in all of Marvel.
If I could somehow put that garbage back on the screen, I would be tempted to play the fight scenes with the Benny Hill theme. (But no, I am not putting that hot garbage back on the screen.)
Glad you can still enjoy it. I wish I could go back to enjoying MCU content.
chubby waif fu with a peg leg and mystical feminist alien native american powers
not as funny as Iron Fisting
@@paulbecket7399 chubby waif fu with a peg leg and mystical feminist aliens being native american powers is hard to beat
Tone Deaf is the PERFECT way to describe this show. Also I find it ironic how this show wants you to like this character (because she's indigenous, deaf and an amputee), but her ACTIONS completely contradict that. Basically the show tells us to like Echo, but her actions are very indicative of a villain rather than a hero. She's unlikable, selfish, doesn't learn her lesson and puts her family in danger. It's basically the "they'd never know what you sacrificed for them" scene from wandavision but it's a whole series.
You need to have watched Hawkeye before as it spins off from there. Daredevil and Kingpin were the advertised draws, but both wasted. This could be skipped entirely.
I DID skip it...😬
The “I have super tough skin and love radiation” bit had me rolling on the floor 🤣🤣🤣.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 shit was annoying
Echo's power in the comic is to mimic other people's movement but Marvel found that boring so they gave her her current powerset. Not to mention how the constant signing slowed down the scenes
Her original powers in the comics explains why she can keep up with someone like DarrDevil, in the show she is just a girlboss who don't need any real training to keep up with a supernaturally sensing, more experienced, trained fighter. Her new powers are just generic "my ancestors are my strength" (like Chang Shi, like Ms. Marvel) magic which I find boring because it has been done everywhere.
That's not even a powerset. It looks like the power of The Answer, whose power is "usually the answer to whatever he needs at a moment.".
Well, tough shit, because that’s how you communicate in ASL.
I couldn't care less that she happens to be deaf, carrying a bit extra weight and has one leg. She could still have been written as someone people could root for and get behind. The problem is the character is a truly nasty piece of work (which seems to be a continuing trend) who has no consideration for others, takes responsibility for nothing, puts other people in danger and is even shown as being cruel to animals when she was young and even lying to her own Mother about it. There is absolutely nothing about the character to get behind. That is just as true in the final episode as it is in the first.
Ever since Venom became popular, everyone else thought it could be copied and successfully So. Once again, Hollywood's doing the formulaic writing to try to make success again and again without I don't know, actual writing writing?
My god, the video game analogy is so perfectly accurate.
In these times of dogwater content coming from everywhere the Ted Series has single-handedly been the most I’ve laughed my fucking ass off and enjoyed myself watching a show in years
Ted series?
@@Alteori Yes, Seth Macfarlane made a prequel series about Ted, it’s on Peacock but you can actually watch the first episode rn for free without signing up
@@Alteori please do a review on it , it’s equally as funny as the two movies if not better imo
I have recently seen the Ted series and will also endorse it. Fucking hilarious!
I actually just got through watching episode five this morning. I was disappointed. It's not the worst thing I've seen, but it is dull, rushed, messy, and surprisingly not as mature as I thought it would be. I think they should have leaned into the "R" rating, but it seemed they wimped out and tried to have both worlds. I also have to give my condolences to any Echo fans out there. They did your character dirty. They changed her look, abilities, took one of her legs, gave her some extra lbs, and then put her in a mid, messy show.
Thank you. This was not the Echo I read. *Painfully* not the Echo I read
@@joshuacr True. The only thing they have in common is the name.
@@GO-GO_SO-SO You forgot that they ALSO changed her Ancestry and completely jumbled her origins
@@joshuacr Facts. Even as a side character in the Spiderman ps4 prequel novel she is way more compelling and you actually care to root for her. Because she's essentially a 1:1 adaptation in that...but the director and writers of this mcu CRAP thought they knew better
You forgot to point out that she lost her leg from a huge chunk of glass that comes from nowhere 😆 If you ask anyone if it could be from the wind shield, they'll know it break into a millions tiny pieces. So where does it come from? The writers could have googled 2 minutes about how people might have lost a limb in car crashes and take inspiration from that.
Also, I love how supposedly non-racists writers write first nations like they are magical creatures
😭 They might have different beliefs but they are (and I don't know why I have to say this) human beings!
I would sarcastically say they should make a movie about this, but they already did a magical negroes movie. I kid you not.
Pretty sure the writers _are_ Indigenous, actually.
Listening to you totally lose it laughing was the injection of joy I needed right now! 😂❤
Alteori's laugh is the only reason I would even watch an Echo recap...😅
"Oh my god, I'm main character!" That shit had me cracking up. That was great but unfortunately how so many shows seem to be made now.
I enjoy how they took her original powers wich would make her more interesting, and switched it with "Magic bullshittery"
A boring power is only boring to bad writers, a good writer can make any power interesting, ECHO dosnt fit her power, on the comics copying others fighting style was interesting, and makes sense, cus she ECHO the opponent.
Also, why is every female character so lifeless, can we get some fun charismatic characters marvel?
Because I think it's contractually obligated that only Black Widow and the Scarlet Witch can be that way😂
@@joshuacr The Netflix women were good ! The scene where Karen Page confronted Fisk was more intense than 20 episodes of Echo. I would dig a Daughters of the Dragon serie (Colleen & Misty). Jessica Jones was on point, so was Elektra.
She was a ancestor of a Mary Sue so she got her Mary Sue powers without having to fight and fail at first? More than oncem
“Maya maya maya maya” and I thought you were going to say “Migueeeeeeeeeeeeel” Altori you almost made a “Maya and Miguel” reference! I use to watch that cartoon on PBS kids when I was little 😂😂😂
Asking the writers of this show to create something that makes sense and entertaining is like asking the Echo actress to emote...
As a double leg amputee I feel SO included in the MCU NOW!!!😂
CLOSE! You can only watch this show if you're a Deaf, Native American, Amputee...🤷♂️
@@giovannibermudezjr Damn red blooded American privilege foiled me again!!!! 😡
I can’t believe you FORGOT the main character’s name! Wow. Her name, by the way, is….is….dammit!
Hold on…*clicking noises….*sigh…ok…maybe you have a point…😉
But seriously, I called her “Martha”, like that’s any better, til someone corrected me in realtime…while watching the show…10/10!
Silly, her name is Mary Sue! Wait, that's *not* her name? Wait a minute, it's coming to me.... Playa?
I swear half the reason I watch your videos is for that super cute laugh! In infectious too
Is it just me or is the story of Disney's echo just Star wars the force unleashed? Big bad guy responsible for killing main character's dad, then takes main character under their wing and trains them to be their personal enforcer. Then main character is convinced that their master has lied to them by an enemy on the job then they go back to exact revenge against their former boss. I mean broad plot sure, but just can't shake the feeling
In a word, yes.
I mean tbf it IS a common trope for revenge stories🤔🤷♂️. There's just GOOD ones like "My Name"....and then you have Echo
The entire season is based off a echo comic which the plot is exactly that 💀
What could’ve worked about this show is throwing the old script away and start fresh. Maybe the amputee protagonist can ring well. Maybe a returning Army vet who deal with returning to his hometown being ruined by monsters extorting small businesses and keeping the town poorer to squeeze over. Then one gangster tries to extort the protagonists family store and decides to fight back. But now he must take matters into his own hands. And defend his family and business from the mob. And they would use some handicap and able soldiers to defeat our protagonist. But such will is strong that it won’t stop the bad ass from trying
Damn Disney doesn’t know when to stop do they!!!!
Stop what ?
@@animezilla4486the creation of really, really, really shitty TV shows.
@@joshuacrthey're not forcing you to watch
@@Dru2037 just answering the question that they asked when they asked "stop what?"
7:27 okay, long time martial arts enthusiast and white belt in jujitsu here... that's an arm in guillotine. With that hold, she doesn't have the leverage to snap his neck. Strangle him, sure, but she would need her legs to get a proper hold an sink in the choke. So, yeah, when I first watched this I threw the brown flag.
People are asking alot. Disney already got a deaf , native american , amputee who they dont find gross and now everyone wants her to also be a good actor. Get your priorities straight
They are expecting the writing to be horrible and filled with inconsistencies, that’s why they gave her an Omni power. That will enable it to do whatever is needed to cover a story gap.
Go watch Daredevil and review it. You'll love the show.
In the comics, Echo was basically female Daredevil, but while he was blind with super hearing, Echo was deaf with super sight.
This means not only could she read lips but also body language! She could also ECHOS peoples fighting techniques, but the director and writers said "No" to that and went with this Last Air Bender past lives thing.
They were more focused on making a Native American/Deaf/Amputated/Woman empowerment superhero, then making a story about why we should even care about this character, I watched the Hawkeye show and even then I was asking " Why does she get her own show and not THE GIRL YOU SPENT THE WHOLE SERIES ABOUT!
Where even is Kate Bishop (Hawkeye girl) anyway? Why haven't we had something dedicated to her and what she's been doing all this time, and why is she a candidate to be on the Avengers?
Ok am say it
The actress playing echo or maya or whatever her name is, she looks to pudgy for the role of a highly trained assassin, all be it its not her fault (there was a rumor that she was pregnant during filimg) its the fault of casting and the director cuz you can tell how much they struggle in the fight scenes
🫵 How dare you!!!
If she were fighting pregnantly at least I then could have an excuse for how bad the show was.
Btw the fact that they just randomly introduced this magical healing ability in the greater contexts of the marvel univers basically renders other things mute, like ironman and black panthers death, oh well turns out theres a magical native amercian bs magic that can heal anything so it dosnt really matter, its like introducing resurrection into a story after the main character sacrifice themselves you take away all the stakes
Now everyone knows why Kevin Fiege said the show was umwatchable a few months ago.
That again Alteori for enduring the critique of this Mess that HORRORWOOD keeps putting out.
It is confusing how Disney is trying to make villains acceptable. Cruella, Scarlet Witch, Echo, Malifasant, Agatha Hardy (other witch from Wanda/Vision). These are villains that do evil things, but these projects are glorifying the villains. Why?
Actually Harkness wasn't always a villain. She was a complicated character which you would have difficulty placing but they just gloss over making female villains the thing now. Whatever.
There is something that bugs me so much about the power they gave her. The implication here is that the ability lets her tap into the experience of the ancestors in order to perform these feats. However, the feats shown are based around the ancestor tapping into the power themselves. Based on this, each ancestor isn’t contributing with their experience, but somehow just suddenly using it to cheat in the moment, meaning the power is literally feeding off itself to grow. How does that make any sense?!
Daredevils area is new York. Same reason king pin is in it
If you’ve never watched Daredevil, you’ve deprived yourself of the best series based on a comic book character. That and Jessica Jones Season 1. Those weren’t originally MCU shows.
I swear that Marvel said, “let’s purposely make bad choices, to see if we can get away with it.”
Its even worse if you know Daredevil, Kingpin, and how on point the Netflix version was in Character and Choreography before Disney
Pander Power change didn't help at all either.
20:42, that weird 'phone' is her handheld radio unit. As a first responder (fire fighter), she required to keep it near at all times in case there is an emergency and they need more units than are on duty. The fact that she even keyed dispatch twice without a response, says the writers don't know anything, or that dispatch is gone. I bumped my radio before and it keyed multiple times, and I almost immediately had dispatch call me trying to see if I was okay, because dispatch can see which unit activated and keep a log. Not to mention all the people that just listen in on scanners.
They're trying to keep you on your toes, Alteori. Gotta stay on top of these constant releases! At this point the show is more profitable to commentary youtubers than it is the studio. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Your laugh needs to be packaged and sold!! :). I woke up to it a few nights ago, well it woke me up a few nights ago and it had me in tears laughing at 4am. I had to search my history to find this video so i could enjoy reliving the contagiousness of your laugh. Your review is the best thing to come from that show I will never watch. Thank you for this HILARIOUS content.
Her comic book powers were to copy martial arts skills on sight. Compensate for deafness.
Her tv series powers are to channel her lady ancestors based on situation. Bcuz indigenous.
The second one feels substantially more racist than it should be.
I like how they said they changed her powers from the comics because they were "boring", but then they replaced them with BS, deus ex machina, Mary Sue powers.
Them having a father daughter relationship then wanting her name to be queenpin is...🤢
EXACTLY THAT WAS WEIRD LOL But I guess Princess Pin made no sense lol
Princess Pin would be a great name for a Powerpuff girls villain.
But wait! See, the woodpecker DID fall from the tree. With help from her rock. So technically, she didn’t lie 😊 A true hero!
I bet the bird she hurt was the same bird that followed her ancestors around after they destroyed Eden. Which would mean she shot her family's guardian; because she's just that evil of a person.
44:16 I’m surprised the Choctaw didn’t tell Disney “Please, whatever you do, don’t mention our involvement with this trainwreck!”
I'm gonna guess that her mom didn't heal her deafness out of the writers' misguided solidarity with the bizarre segment of the deaf community that's hostile to the concept of curing deafness. Or they're dumb. The two aren't exclusive, of course.
They didn't cure it because the actress is deaf and can't talk so it wouldn't work in the show.
@@CazRaX Then don't have her mom be a magical healer?
The mom refusing to heal her daughter’s deafness reminds me of a show that tackled a similar issue. a little show called House MD, where a mother with dwarfism was under the impression her daughter had it too, and she always told her daughter it’s not a disability, it makes you unique. but, in the episode, it’s discovered that she simply has a growth pushing against her pituitary gland, keeping her short, so the daughter has never been an actual dwarf. because of everything she’s been told by her mom, she believes that she doesn’t need to take the growth hormones after the tumor is removed, because she doesn’t need to be any taller, but House convinces her mother to convince her to get taller despite there being nothing wrong with having a disability. one would hope that, given the chance, they wouldn’t force themselves to overcome adversity, and that’s exactly the sentiment the dwarf mother relays. “a disability isn’t a problem that needs to be solved, but you, my daughter, have a chance to live a life I never could. Please take the growth hormones.” you’d think every mom would think this way but apparently not, because you can hire writers through Wish now
They should’ve showed Kingpin’s wrath more. He is a very wrathful character I believe Kingpin is supposed to sociopathic.
Kingpin is supposed to be a scared little boy who can't control his temper ever since killing his father for beating his mother. He is also supposed to be a person who thinks he can control everything and then when he actually loses his temper, you *should* be terrified. This series was not *that* Kingpin
Wait... so this show posits that Native Americans are made of wood?
But... Monty Python and the Holy Grail taught us that WITCHES are made of wood... which is why they weigh less than a duck! (Alondro is very learned in the ways of science...) ;D
The fox art us awesome
🤣🤣🤣🤣I wish I had just watched your review instead the show OMG your breakdown is absolutely hilarious. I needed this today 🙏🏽😂❤️
Her mother not healing her deafness has probably to do with the absurd belief of the writers that disability is nothing to be fixed and should rather be celebrated 🤦♂️
Unless you're a male. Then it's obviously a disability like Daredevil losing to her.
I just love it when Alteori laughs and looses it! I'm at work laughing to myself like a mad man when Alteori starts laughing ha ha ha ha
First. Cute sona. And you’re right.
Thanks Kira 😊
Fun little fact: Choctaw tribe (the tribe that is in this show) were massive slavers among native Americans.
Marvel has ghost rider, runaways, cloak and dagger and they make a show about about a character nobody cares about.
To be fair they may guardians of the Galaxy and people care about them despite the fact that they never read the comics books
I think they said the Mother was also deaf, so Maya inherited it, can't heal what you were born with I think. Also, you keep saying experience, but we were shown that Maya trained to fight since she was a child, since Kingpin adopted her as his niece, even before her dad was killed. You see Kingpin go through a few different translators too, and she was working as one of his enforcers for many years.
I didn't like it, but didn't hate it though. It's that kind of show I would never consider watching if it wasn't Marvel's. Hey you Must watch the Daredevil show though, I'm SURE you're gonna love it! It's awesome.
I would highly recommend watching the original Daredevil series. It is gold. This is...I apologize to crap for almost associating it with Echo.