Nice video 👍 I'm still unsure about the ISO 100 vs ISO 1250/1600 debate. I've seen a few youtubers that say 1250 ISO or more is the best, but the vast majority of videos/youtubers I've seen still say that it's better to keep the ISO low like 55-100. 1250-1600 ISO in broad daylight would require some heavy ND filtering if you want to keep a 180° shutter angle for smoother motion blur, maybe even a 6-9 stops might not be enough? I'd love to see a video of an actual deep-dive comparison between various instances of the same shots in both ISO 100 and ISO 1250(or 1600), both with optimal color correcting in post, to see if you can actually notice a real difference between the end results you can get out of the ISO 100 and ISO 1250(or 1600) shots.
Thanks! It is an interesting debate and one that Apple could solve with a more informative white paper haha. Also, when 28 Years later comes out I’d be interested on how they approached it because both have pros and cons. You do need heavy ND for daytime. The Urth+ VND I use is between 6 - 10 stops. And that is one reason I see RUclips usually advising to keep ISO low. For most people, in most situations that is sound advice. If I remade this video I would include more nuance about how I use high ISO and why it might not be the best choice for your case. Not a bad idea for a video. Honestly might have to make it.
@@WRNFILM Thanks for the answer. I see, yeah a 6-10 VND makes sense. Also curious about 28 days later, I hope they will do some breakdown of their process. Cheers 👍
I filmed a lot on my iphone 15 pro this holiday and loved it in terms of ease of use; even the cinematic mode in the standard camera app could have its uses due to the cool focus effect
This is excellent! I’m shooting a video for my company in a couple weeks and only have my iPhone 15 Pro. This was incredibly helpful and valuable. You’ve earned my subscription! Thank you!
6:29 why does iso 1600 reduce in-camera noise reduction? technically it's more noise, which is then crushed in post to compensate for ettr and disappears, no?
It’s seems to be a deliberate move by Apple to create the cleanest image possible for lower ISOs by using strong in camera noise reduction. This is reduced at ISOs above 1250. This is why I strongly recommend ETTRing when shooting at 1600. The additional noise needs to be brought down in post.
I’m glad to see someone understands the oddness that is iPhone Apple Log. Log formats tend to start around ISO 800 for a good reason. It’s how they are able to capture for highlight range. The fact that Apple stays at their normal ISO range is an indicator that the highlight range will be much lower than it should be. This is how all cameras would work with log. In my Canon cameras that shoot log at ISO 800 we can lower the ISO in extended ranges and ISO 100 is three stops lower in highlight detail. We only get 3.3 stops over middle gray. Much cleaner and great shadow detail but highlights will clip sooner. Apple likely did this because noise is so bad on the tiny phone sensor. So they set that extended lower ISO as the norm instead of the exception. The fact that middle gray is so high doesn’t help either. Since a lot of narrative likes to stay below 90% reflectance anyway this all kind of works out well. I tend to shoot Canon over by 2-3 stops as well. It really helps shift the usable stops into the area we actually care to look at. As I shift my outlook more towards HDR however I do find this approach limiting. This is the first time I heard someone suggest ISO 1600 shooting over. Going to give that a shot.
Wouldn’t you need a good ND filter when shooting on a sunny day? I’m curious about how effective the filter needs to be if I want to maintain a 180-degree shutter angle. I currently have an ND2 to ND400 filter, and I’m also planning to experiment with ISO 1600.
@@WRNFILM which one do you use, ND1000? I did an outdoor test on a partly cloudy day at noon, shooting at 24fps with a 180-degree shutter angle using my ND 2-400 filter and ISO 1600. I had to lower the ISO to 55 to preserve the highlights.
@@AlexGower yeah I didn’t have great results shooting at ISO 1600. The camera still does noise reduction which means what detail it does capture turns to mush. I also found different apps seem to handle the ISO differently. I already knew each camera app handles auto exposure very differently. This is such a hot much of very little consistency across apps. Since the Apple camera API pretty much just returns a EV value for exposure it’s up to each app to determine what to do with that. Even manual exposure seems to be different across different apps likely for that same reason. The API doesn’t return a specific ISO and shutter value and those have to be calculated. I find the clipping point continues to rise even up to ISO 3200 which is crazy. I do think it’s questionable to attempt to raise that clipping point however. It’s really not worth the sacrifice to the image detail due to the very over aggressive in camera noise reduction. In my opinion at least. I think it just looks cheap and digital when there is that much over processing. The best results I have seen still seem to be at ISO 55 which is the only way that tiny sensor can have a somewhat decent signal to noise ratio. At least if the aim is to have less noise and have less chance for the in camera processing to butcher the details by trying to get rid of noise. I still feel like it is what it is and it’s best to expose normally at as low of ISO as possible. The highlight range clips much sooner but it has much cleaner shadow detail which is likely more important most of the time. The thing about what clips a stop after 90% reflectance is that tends to be areas that are way over exposed anyway and probably not the best shot situation. A lot of shots never even get to those levels and it’s not as huge of a loss as some may think. It only is if there isn’t as much care to balance a scene so there isn’t an over amount of contrast to try to capture. I even shoot on Canon camera over by 2 or 3 stops for the same reason as what the IPhone is doing. Better normal and shadow range values that matter more 99% of the time. It’s the details people actually want to see. Protecting highlights is supposed to mean light the subject or bounce light on the subject so there is a better balance between. Film in the 80’s had around 8 stops and Hollywood lit everything so the darks, mids and highlights all balanced well within those 8 stops. We can shoot under a little bit to capture more highlights but that’s a little questionable to me as well. Digital sensors get worse the closer to the noise floor they get. Not just because of noise but due to how little coded samples the stops have on that part of the gamma curve. -Luis there is photon noise at that level because the lux difference between stops at that level is so tiny. The issue isn’t so much a sensor seeing light at that low of levels. It’s actually telling the difference between stop -7 and -8 because the lux value difference is so minuscule. This is why log has fixed pattern noise, posterization, banding, color loss/shift and contrast loss when lifted too much. The sensor just cannot make out accurate difference between values after a certain point. Even if there was zero noise on the sensor. In a way the noise actually kind of helps and acts like dithering to cover up all that other garbage. All of this is my opinion of course. I might be doing something wrong on the iPhone but so far I have not found shooting at any higher ISO level to be good.
Idk if it's user error or not but whenever I lock my shutter and try to change the exposure the ISO comes up instead when using the Blackmagic Camera app
I had an entire section that I took out talking about this haha! But the OG film was absolutely doing the same thing to enhance the image back in the day. They upgraded the lenses, digitally upscaled the footage to 2k, and did a film out.
@@WRNFILM I do have a question about storage do you recommend 512gb or 1Tb storage or do you prefer 256gb and record everything externally? I’m having a hard time deciding which one to buy I’m upgrading from my iPhone se2020 and 12 pro max
When I am shooting outdoor in blackmagic app using 180* angle shutter the sky becomes very bright , and only way possible to reduce exposure is lowering shutter angle but that also not helping much. I also try reducing ISO but still not helping, Do we need ND filter compulsory to shoot outdoor in iPhone?
@@greenlightstudios3469 The only difference I'd recommend when shooting in HVEC is to try and keep you ISO as low as possible. No reason to push an already compressed codec.
I feel like the only reason you'd choose to do this is if Apple offered you a massive donation to your production budget if you agree'd to shoot on Iphone. I wonder if Apple did so.
I honestly don’t know if Apple paid into this movie (certainly have funded other projects like music videos and short films), but filming on the iPhone follows the theme 28 Days Later started by shooting on consumer products of the time.
I don't understand why you'd film something on a phone with a budget of over $2000. Is it just to prove to young filmmakers that they should go out and make something even if they don't think they have gear? I feel like that point is mostly wishful thinking considering shooting on an iphone instead of an ARRI Alexa 35 barely scratches the budget. The camera does not really cost much on the scale of a major production. They still had lights, tripods, rigging and all kinds of other gear that was expensive and professional. Not to mention the preperation and set design and pre and post production. Overall as a photographer/ filmmaker, I feel shooting photos or videos on a phone is lame. Even if the quality was the same which it's not I feel like its the equivalent of living underground with TV's on the walls that pretend to be windows rather than living above ground with real windows haha. Like it's just a less engaging and less enjoyable process. I often don't have my professional gear with me and I see something I want to take a photograph of or something I want to record, and I'll use my phone for that and it's not like the joy of photography goes away. But I would have more fun with a real camera.
Apple marketing at its finest. People will hear this and think that buying an iphone is buying a hollywood camera and its already working. I got a client asking me why I havent upgraded to an iphone for videos after he heard about the weekend video and my friends jokingly ( I hope ) saying that they are now videographers just like me while sharing the news on our whatsappgroup. And why is every phone guy doing thee same overdone video? clicks and ragebait.
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How many spelling & grammar errors can you find?
Haha nice video
I didn’t notice any because my brain was trying to process all the valuable information that was being thrown at me
Great video my man, you keep saying EXpecially not ESpecially. That’s all the nitpicking I have for you, fantastic work my dude.
This popped up in my recommended, and I watched half. It’s so thorough with all the tests and info! Then I saw it only has 389 views!?? Keep it up!
Btw, I improved so much my shots since I started using show LUTs, it’s a must for me now.
this is exactly what I needed as an iPhone film maker, an actual break down of how to shoot with the iPhone 🙏
Criminally under-viewed video
Excited for this to drop!
Ok Ok take this sub already lol good stuff
Nice video 👍
I'm still unsure about the ISO 100 vs ISO 1250/1600 debate. I've seen a few youtubers that say 1250 ISO or more is the best, but the vast majority of videos/youtubers I've seen still say that it's better to keep the ISO low like 55-100.
1250-1600 ISO in broad daylight would require some heavy ND filtering if you want to keep a 180° shutter angle for smoother motion blur, maybe even a 6-9 stops might not be enough?
I'd love to see a video of an actual deep-dive comparison between various instances of the same shots in both ISO 100 and ISO 1250(or 1600), both with optimal color correcting in post, to see if you can actually notice a real difference between the end results you can get out of the ISO 100 and ISO 1250(or 1600) shots.
Thanks!
It is an interesting debate and one that Apple could solve with a more informative white paper haha. Also, when 28 Years later comes out I’d be interested on how they approached it because both have pros and cons.
You do need heavy ND for daytime. The Urth+ VND I use is between 6 - 10 stops. And that is one reason I see RUclips usually advising to keep ISO low. For most people, in most situations that is sound advice.
If I remade this video I would include more nuance about how I use high ISO and why it might not be the best choice for your case.
Not a bad idea for a video. Honestly might have to make it.
@@WRNFILM Thanks for the answer. I see, yeah a 6-10 VND makes sense. Also curious about 28 days later, I hope they will do some breakdown of their process.
Cheers 👍
This is really good, great way to talk through all the steps.
What did I just stumble into? I'm flabbergasted. Well done, man! Your channel will blow up eventually!!
@@pinfilm4653 thanks so much! I really appreciate that 🤙🏼
What I want is a tutorial on how to get the look during the shots when you're talking to the camera. Camera/lens/color grade.
Camera: Blackmagic 6K FF
Lens: Mamiya Sekor C 85mm
Grade: Resolve + Film Emulation
@@WRNFILM My dude... you are awesome. Thank you for the quick reply and the breakdown. Your work looks fantastic.
Wow! Thank you for this man! Absolutely top notch information and resources. iPhone filmmaking masterclass.
I filmed a lot on my iphone 15 pro this holiday and loved it in terms of ease of use; even the cinematic mode in the standard camera app could have its uses due to the cool focus effect
This is excellent! I’m shooting a video for my company in a couple weeks and only have my iPhone 15 Pro. This was incredibly helpful and valuable. You’ve earned my subscription! Thank you!
Happy I could help! Good luck on your shoot.
Great video. Looking forward to seeing your channel take off!
Appreciate that!
Really funny cause I was just thinking when are we gonna see a big budget feature film shot on iphone a few days ago.
Thank you for this video! I'm about to shoot a short on the iPhone 15 Pro Max and I was so confused about how to expose correctly.
Happy to help. Good luck on your short!
6:29 why does iso 1600 reduce in-camera noise reduction? technically it's more noise, which is then crushed in post to compensate for ettr and disappears, no?
It’s seems to be a deliberate move by Apple to create the cleanest image possible for lower ISOs by using strong in camera noise reduction. This is reduced at ISOs above 1250.
This is why I strongly recommend ETTRing when shooting at 1600. The additional noise needs to be brought down in post.
I’m glad to see someone understands the oddness that is iPhone Apple Log.
Log formats tend to start around ISO 800 for a good reason. It’s how they are able to capture for highlight range. The fact that Apple stays at their normal ISO range is an indicator that the highlight range will be much lower than it should be. This is how all cameras would work with log.
In my Canon cameras that shoot log at ISO 800 we can lower the ISO in extended ranges and ISO 100 is three stops lower in highlight detail. We only get 3.3 stops over middle gray. Much cleaner and great shadow detail but highlights will clip sooner.
Apple likely did this because noise is so bad on the tiny phone sensor. So they set that extended lower ISO as the norm instead of the exception.
The fact that middle gray is so high doesn’t help either.
Since a lot of narrative likes to stay below 90% reflectance anyway this all kind of works out well. I tend to shoot Canon over by 2-3 stops as well. It really helps shift the usable stops into the area we actually care to look at.
As I shift my outlook more towards HDR however I do find this approach limiting. This is the first time I heard someone suggest ISO 1600 shooting over. Going to give that a shot.
Any updates?
Wouldn’t you need a good ND filter when shooting on a sunny day? I’m curious about how effective the filter needs to be if I want to maintain a 180-degree shutter angle. I currently have an ND2 to ND400 filter, and I’m also planning to experiment with ISO 1600.
@douglashm 100%. Exteriors will need a ND or VND.
@@WRNFILM which one do you use, ND1000? I did an outdoor test on a partly cloudy day at noon, shooting at 24fps with a 180-degree shutter angle using my ND 2-400 filter and ISO 1600. I had to lower the ISO to 55 to preserve the highlights.
@@AlexGower yeah I didn’t have great results shooting at ISO 1600. The camera still does noise reduction which means what detail it does capture turns to mush. I also found different apps seem to handle the ISO differently. I already knew each camera app handles auto exposure very differently. This is such a hot much of very little consistency across apps. Since the Apple camera API pretty much just returns a EV value for exposure it’s up to each app to determine what to do with that. Even manual exposure seems to be different across different apps likely for that same reason. The API doesn’t return a specific ISO and shutter value and those have to be calculated.
I find the clipping point continues to rise even up to ISO 3200 which is crazy. I do think it’s questionable to attempt to raise that clipping point however. It’s really not worth the sacrifice to the image detail due to the very over aggressive in camera noise reduction. In my opinion at least. I think it just looks cheap and digital when there is that much over processing.
The best results I have seen still seem to be at ISO 55 which is the only way that tiny sensor can have a somewhat decent signal to noise ratio. At least if the aim is to have less noise and have less chance for the in camera processing to butcher the details by trying to get rid of noise.
I still feel like it is what it is and it’s best to expose normally at as low of ISO as possible. The highlight range clips much sooner but it has much cleaner shadow detail which is likely more important most of the time. The thing about what clips a stop after 90% reflectance is that tends to be areas that are way over exposed anyway and probably not the best shot situation. A lot of shots never even get to those levels and it’s not as huge of a loss as some may think. It only is if there isn’t as much care to balance a scene so there isn’t an over amount of contrast to try to capture.
I even shoot on Canon camera over by 2 or 3 stops for the same reason as what the IPhone is doing. Better normal and shadow range values that matter more 99% of the time. It’s the details people actually want to see. Protecting highlights is supposed to mean light the subject or bounce light on the subject so there is a better balance between. Film in the 80’s had around 8 stops and Hollywood lit everything so the darks, mids and highlights all balanced well within those 8 stops. We can shoot under a little bit to capture more highlights but that’s a little questionable to me as well. Digital sensors get worse the closer to the noise floor they get. Not just because of noise but due to how little coded samples the stops have on that part of the gamma curve. -Luis there is photon noise at that level because the lux difference between stops at that level is so tiny. The issue isn’t so much a sensor seeing light at that low of levels. It’s actually telling the difference between stop -7 and -8 because the lux value difference is so minuscule. This is why log has fixed pattern noise, posterization, banding, color loss/shift and contrast loss when lifted too much. The sensor just cannot make out accurate difference between values after a certain point. Even if there was zero noise on the sensor. In a way the noise actually kind of helps and acts like dithering to cover up all that other garbage.
All of this is my opinion of course. I might be doing something wrong on the iPhone but so far I have not found shooting at any higher ISO level to be good.
Excelent video, Keep up
Thank you very much!
Idk if it's user error or not but whenever I lock my shutter and try to change the exposure the ISO comes up instead when using the Blackmagic Camera app
What ISO do you recommend when using h265? Hvec. With indoor and outdoor? Still 1600??
Keep to the lowest ISO possible in HEVC and only use 1600 where you can over expose by about a stop.
The funny thing is these phones are so, so much better than what they shot 28 days later on.
I had an entire section that I took out talking about this haha! But the OG film was absolutely doing the same thing to enhance the image back in the day. They upgraded the lenses, digitally upscaled the footage to 2k, and did a film out.
not seeing the cheat sheet in the description
@@maicolordonez ko-fi.com/s/1fb428b4a9
Great video. Thanks.
Thank you!
It’s like an 11-minute film school. You’re a smart dude. Hope there is a part two.
Would you upgrade to the 16 pro or no need 15 pro is enough if we are saving money 😮
I don't think the 16 is worth upgrading from 15.
@@WRNFILM I do have a question about storage do you recommend 512gb or 1Tb storage or do you prefer 256gb and record everything externally? I’m having a hard time deciding which one to buy I’m upgrading from my iPhone se2020 and 12 pro max
@@LouisLuzuka Personally I went with the 512gb. It's enough storage that I can shoot internally when needed.
@@WRNFILM I agree, this is perfect for me, thank you so much 😊
What’s the ND system you’re using ?
NDA?
@@WRNFILM hahaha ND SORRY Diddy! What neutral density do you use lol
URTH+ VND
@@WRNFILM sweet! How did you attach to iPhone ?
@@jaymills1720 I have the polar pro case. They offer a 67mm thread adapter that I use a step up ring to use with my 77mm filters.
When I am shooting outdoor in blackmagic app using 180* angle shutter the sky becomes very bright , and only way possible to reduce exposure is lowering shutter angle but that also not helping much. I also try reducing ISO but still not helping, Do we need ND filter compulsory to shoot outdoor in iPhone?
Yes, to keep 180* shutter you'll need some ND even at 55iso.
@ Thank you sir.
The al rec 709 lut is amazing but doesn’t expose the color red or orange properly, looking unrealistic, how would I fix this? (iPhone 14 pro)
I’d create a new LUT in resolve. In a node prior to the apple log lut slightly reduce the Reds & Orange saturation.
@@WRNFILM what if I mainly edit with premier pro
awesome vid , it this info for both iPhone 15 pro and iPhone 16 pro (And Max)
From all the reviews I've seen this should be accurate for the 16 pro as well. I would recommend testing before shooting!
@@WRNFILM hopefully Gerald does a sensor review like last year. Did I already ask, HVEC apple log vs Pro Res Apple Log, thoughts?
@@greenlightstudios3469 The only difference I'd recommend when shooting in HVEC is to try and keep you ISO as low as possible. No reason to push an already compressed codec.
U are my hero 😮
Not a zombie movie.
@@Jabber-ig3iw Just going off what Alex Garland called it 🤙🏼
I feel like the only reason you'd choose to do this is if Apple offered you a massive donation to your production budget if you agree'd to shoot on Iphone. I wonder if Apple did so.
I honestly don’t know if Apple paid into this movie (certainly have funded other projects like music videos and short films), but filming on the iPhone follows the theme 28 Days Later started by shooting on consumer products of the time.
I don't understand why you'd film something on a phone with a budget of over $2000. Is it just to prove to young filmmakers that they should go out and make something even if they don't think they have gear?
I feel like that point is mostly wishful thinking considering shooting on an iphone instead of an ARRI Alexa 35 barely scratches the budget. The camera does not really cost much on the scale of a major production. They still had lights, tripods, rigging and all kinds of other gear that was expensive and professional. Not to mention the preperation and set design and pre and post production.
Overall as a photographer/ filmmaker, I feel shooting photos or videos on a phone is lame. Even if the quality was the same which it's not I feel like its the equivalent of living underground with TV's on the walls that pretend to be windows rather than living above ground with real windows haha. Like it's just a less engaging and less enjoyable process.
I often don't have my professional gear with me and I see something I want to take a photograph of or something I want to record, and I'll use my phone for that and it's not like the joy of photography goes away. But I would have more fun with a real camera.
Apple marketing at its finest. People will hear this and think that buying an iphone is buying a hollywood camera and its already working. I got a client asking me why I havent upgraded to an iphone for videos after he heard about the weekend video and my friends jokingly ( I hope ) saying that they are now videographers just like me while sharing the news on our whatsappgroup. And why is every phone guy doing thee same overdone video? clicks and ragebait.