The melody the Doll sings is "Báyushki Bayú" , a Russian lullaby. Dead By Daylight players will also recognize it as the tune The Huntress hums to herself as she stalks her prey.
Yes! At first I thought it was Zhili u babusyi, but it wasn't quite right. I think developers asked the Russian voice actor Evetta Muradasilova to hum some lullaby, but upon learning that this is actually Russian folk lullaby, they removed it so it won't create any unnecessary lore.
The lyrics to this lullaby are hilariously relatable to Bloodborne actually. Bayu Bayushki Bayu Do not lie down near the edge of the bed The grey wolfie will come And grab you by your tiny side He'll grab you by your tiny side And drag you to the forest... Drag you to the forest...
I think it's a shame the lullaby was removed with the patch, it would have been another humanising action for the doll, who we're already so fond of. Thanks for all your hard work on this! It was really cool to learn how all of her actions are tiggered!
I'm late to the party, but it seems likely to me that it was accidentally disabled. The condition tree for the Doll's different states is already fairly complex, and by making a small change to that code they could have easily rendered one possible outcome (the lullaby) impossible to achieve. I have done the same thing coding before; when you start moving conditions around and adding to them you can easily "orphan" one of them by creating a situation where a particular outcome will always have priority over another one. Given that it was already a rare event such a bug would almost certainly never been caught by testers, even after numerous patches.
Indeed. When I thought no game would give me the same feelings that I get only from listening to Fallout: New Vegas ost, comes Bloodborne to legit mark my life. Cheers from Brazil mate
@@Darkhearts It's childish and cringy but overall meaning was "fall asleep faster and don't sleep on your side or a wolf will bite your tummy" something like that.
OK, time for some really terrifying theories. I’m from Russia (“please excuse my perfect accent”), and as it was already mentioned, what Doll is singing in the 1.0.0 version is the common slavic lullaby. (Just imagine my emotions after realizing it). It actually has a huge amount of variations, but the common parts are: Fell asleep faster; Don’t lie down on the edge; The grey wolfie will come and bite your side. Which perfectly fits in BB plot, especially the beginning scene of blood transfusion. But there is even more. What winter lanterns are singing is quite similar to it. So, if we decide to connect it to the lore we already know; Could it be, that Lady Maria have sung this lullaby to clocktower patients, and now, after obtaining the eyes of Mensis/ being absorbed by the Nightmare/ etc, they are singing the monstrously distorted version of this song? Especially considering, that they are casting the frenzy effect, which means interacting with the supernatural information from the depths of the Nightmare. It can be kind of interpreted as falling to the deepest sleep possible. Actually, I’ve been developing an really big theory about lanterns, based on analyzing G.P. Lovecraft references. If someone is interested, I can translate and post it in the comments. ... And I’ve actually wrote it in this line of comments, so I’ll add it to this comment to make it easier to find. ... The starting point and the source of their unique power is the Brain of Mensis. (It is literally calleg "mother brain" in game files). The Great One, that has an organ named living string. It is said it it' description, that the brain was lined with eyes on the inside, but they were of an evil sort. We already know, that insight and frenzy are two forms of the same process - obtaining supernatural knowledge. In case of frenzy it happends too roughly and causes the brain damage. It is likely that the school of Mensis wanted to use it as a sourse of insight, but it was impossible for regular humans. We know that research hall patients were the first attempt to create an superhuman creatures. The choir have continued this research and created celestial emmisares. But the patients are also similar to the lanterns, especially the separete head ones, that can attack with tentacles and cause frenzy. It is almost obvious that, the Mensis school used them in their own way, and created the lanterns. “Here starts the completely theoretical part” They needed a vessel able to absorb the knowledge from the Mensis Brain. But although the patient were already resistant to frenzy, there was another problem. The M. Brain has basically two effects, the second one is turning the victim's blood into hard spikes similar to ones on bloodletter weapon. Here comes another feature of the lanterns - they drop only the droplet blood gems, that have no spiky patterns like other types. It seems that the "head" patients have no blood, only brain fluid, but they need a functional body. Mensis school have created a special blood, that doesn't crystallise into spikes. (Ritual blood is described as “incoagulable” so at least it is a feature that exists in the lore). The last thing they needed was the shell for it. And here appears... Gehrman. We already have an evidence, that he was working with Mensis. The red moon above old Yharnam was summoned by Mensis ritual (it becomes obvious near the end of the game). But the description of the cord in the workshop says, it is also involved. It is unlikely, that this two cases are independent. Gherman wanted to bring the Doll alive so much, that he submitted his life to the Moon Presence, it it is likely, that he met it not suddenly. The doll has human form, but “sheds no blood”, which makes it a perfect shell. After being affected by the M. Brain, the head patient + doll combination transformed into the Winter Lantern. Here actually goes the Lovecraft reference. He has a short story “Out of the Aeons”. To begin with, this book mentions the “year of the red moon” that happened thousands of years ago. It is unlikely to be a coincidence, looks like H. Miyazaki have read this story. It also mentions the creature named Ghatanothoa. Anyone who gazes upon it or it’s image becomes mad and petrified, but the organs remain safe, the story ends with revealing of the safe and functional BRAIN inside of Ghatanothoa’s victim. And the most important part: eyes of a human, affected by It, contain an imprinted image of this creature, that has partially the same effect. So, the Brain of Mensis and the Wintern Lanterns May be the reference to Ghatanothoa and it’s victims. And just some interesting fact: a lot of people wandered what does “Winter lantern” mean. The truth is, in Japan version they are called emm... the same way as a plant “Physalis alkekengi” that has a lot of other names like “Japanese-lantern”, “winter cherry”, and yeah “winter lantern”. This plant was widely used in medicine with different purposes including sedative. Which is ironically the complete opposite of what lanterns are in the game. There is a very underrated criteria of fan-theories - how much it adds to the story and character development. The theory, that Lantern are just created by Nightmare to scare the Hunter, adds almost nothing. The “failing attempts to create the Doll” theory shows us, how much Gherman suffered, and why he ended up a slave of the Moon Presence. (And possibly gives some really tricky Easter egg).
The Winter Lanterns wear the doll's clothing, have doll hands and sing her song off-key. They're warped versions of the doll created by the nightmare to screw with the Hunter's head, taking the one ounce of trust and safety they've built up and tainting it.
Camazotz Bat, It may be so, but I think this part of the lore is much bigger and more important. ... It took some time to write this, but at least now a have it somewhere... ... The starting point and the source of their unique power is the Brain of Mensis. (It is literally calleg "mother brain" in game files). The Great One, that has an organ named living string. It is said it it' description, that the brain was lined with eyes on the inside, but they were of an evil sort. We already know, that insight and frenzy are two forms of the same process - obtaining supernatural knowledge. In case of frenzy it happends too roughly and causes the brain damage. It is likely that the school of Mensis wanted to use it as a sourse of insight, but it was impossible for regular humans. We know that research hall patients were the first attempt to create an superhuman creatures. The choir have continued this research and created celestial emmisares. But the patients are also similar to the lanterns, especially the separete head ones, that can attack with tentacles and cause frenzy. It is almost obvious that, the Mensis school used them in their on way, and created the lanterns. «Here starts completely theoretical part” They needed a vessel able to absorb the knowledge from the Mensis Brain. But although the patient were already resistant to frenzy, there was another problem. The M. Brain has basically two effects, the second one is turning the victim's blood into hard spikes similar to ones on bloodletter weapon. Here comes another feature of the lanterns - they drop only the droplet blood gems, that have no spiky patterns like other types. It seems that the "head" patients have no blood, only brain fluid, but they need a functional body. Mensis school have created a special blood, that doesn't crystallise into spikes. (Ritual blood is described as “incoagulable” so at least it is a feature that exists in the lore). The last thing they needed was the shell for it. And here appears... Gehrman. We already have an evidence, that he was working with Mensis. The red moon above old Yharnam was summoned by Mensis ritual (it becomes obvious near the end of the game). But the description of the cord in the workshop says, it is also involved. It is unlikely, that this two cases are independent. Gherman wanted to bring the Doll alive so much, that he submitted his life to the Moon Presence, it it is likely, that he met it not suddenly. The doll has human form, but “sheds no blood”, which makes it a perfect shell. After being affected by the M. Brain, the head patient + doll combination transformed into the Winter Lantern. Here actually goes the Lovecraft reference. He has a short story “Out of the Aeons”. To begin with, this book mentions the “year of the red moon” that happened thousands of years ago. It is unlikely to be a coincidence, looks like H. Miyazaki have read this story. It also mentions the creature named Ghatanothoa. Anyone who gazes upon it or it’s image becomes mad and petrified, but the organs remain safe, the story ends with revealing of the safe and functional BRAIN inside of Ghatanothoa’s victim. And the most important part: eyes of a human, affected by It, contain an imprinted image of this creature, that has partially the same effect. So, the Brain of Mensis and the Wintern Lanterns May be the reference to Ghatanothoa and it’s victims. And just some interesting fact: a lot of people wandered what does “Winter lantern” mean. The truth is, in Japan version they are called emm... the same way as a plant “Physalis alkekengi” that has a lot of other names like “Japanese-lantern”, “winter cherry”, and yeah “winter lantern”. This plant was widely used in medicine with different purposes including sedative. Which is ironically the complete opposite of what lanterns are in the game. There is a very underrated criteria of fan-theories - how much it adds to the story and character development. The theory, that Lantern are just created by Nightmare to scare the Hunter, adds almost nothing. The “failing attempts to create the Doll” theory shows us, how much Gherman suffered, and why he ended up a slave of the Moon Presence. (And possibly gives some really tricky Easter egg).
Anyway moral of the story, click on this link: twitch.tv/lancemcdonald I hope you enjoyed the video, but if you just want the raw DATA, here you go: Version 1.0: 10% chance of falling asleep in her usual spot. 10% chance of kneeling at the unmarked grave 1% chance of praying at the unmarked grave, as long as Rom is dead. 1% chance of humming a lullaby at the unmarked grave, as long as Rom is dead. 10% chance of kneeling at the player's grave in NG+, as long as the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending. 0.5% chance of praying at the player's grave, as long as the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending. 0.5% chance of humming a lullaby at the player's grave, as long as the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending. And regardless of anything else, if we've given her the hair ornament, her prayer will feature one extra line of dialogue at the end Version 1.01 or above: 10% chance of falling asleep in her usual spot. 10% chance of kneeling at the unmarked grave, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited 2% chance of praying at the unmarked grave, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited, and Rom is dead. 10% chance of kneeling at the player's grave in NG+, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited, and the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending. 2% chance of praying at the player's grave, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited, Rom is dead, and the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending. And regardless of anything else, if we've given her the hair ornament, her prayer will feature one extra line of dialogue at the end
And beyond all of this, there is a bug when visiting Chalice Dungeons that can corrupt her flags and just make her do completely arbitrary things. It's insanely rare, but JSF caught it on video happening.
Hey Lance, I found the song corresponding to the melody of the lullaby that the Doll is humming. It's Баю баюшки баю, (Bayu Bayushki Bayu) a Russian folk lullaby. It is a common lullaby that mothers sing to their children in Russia and some neighboring slavic countries.
I never noticed that line change in her prayer if you give her the hair ornament. These details are why I love this game man. 5 years later and we're still finding out new stuff about this game.
My game is still at version 0, due to me being unable to update it, and what happens in my game is each play through I collect the bone from the Abandoned workshop (old hunters bone?) and I warp to the Dream, she will say her "O Flora," dialogue.
I was lucky enough to witness the lullaby when I played the 1.0 version (I couldn't update it due to not having internet at the time and I simply couldn't not play Bloodborne). I didn't know it was this rare of an event. Wonderful video as always. Keep up the great work!
Doll: sings a lullaby Hunters who played Dead by Daylight: I feel uncomfortable.. Nice video! I never knew about this lullaby and never noticed the change of the prayer.
I’m thinking hunters axe (obviously) the sorta wolf pelt helm from the dlc, and the music box for that distinct hum. the build itself would be pretty strength based.
@@TheRagingSerpent but you cannot copyright a half-hummed folk lullaby. Also, those last notes that the doll hums are not part of the original lullaby. Makes me think, maybe it's not the same song?
This game is so entrenched in lore that it could be a real place, just wow. Thank you very much for making this video, this games lore seems to be bottomless
I'm a Bloodborne fanatic and I never even knew that it was possible for the doll to hum a lullaby. Thank you SO MUCH Lance for your hard work. Also, this seems to tie her even more strongly to the winter lanterns now.
Thank you for the Bloodborne content. One thing I’d like to know is what marks a player as a “Bloodadled Hunter” this happens when wearing the hunter of hunters rune and is supposedly a “random” chance. Ideas?
Basically means if you have killed other hunters. The hunters of hunters covenant is specifically to hunt down hunters who have killed. It is a very rare chance. Entirely random as you have said.... Even a hunter of hunters can be blood addled and be hunted down by someome who has the HoH covenant. Ultimately the covenant was a one man(woman) cov with Eileen hunting those who have killed. So if we were to take multiplayer out then it makes a lot more sense story-wise. It isn't as "fun" as other covenants but imo that stamina replenishment is too good.
Great job on the camera angles, solid work! I love how a random YT video of the Doll’s humming inspired a 15 minute deep dive of her chance ‘encounters’.
wtf, the dialogue at 8:13 totally resolves so many questions for me about bloodborne! can't believe i'd never heard it, didn't even know that your tombstone appeared in the dream before this vid
I saw your progress through by accompanying your tweeter posts. But, man, this is amazing. A fine work, really. And that shot from the workshop at the beginning... just lovely.
Wow you find the most amazing stuff, That humming piece was fantastic & now I'm going to have to try that myself. Thank you for your awesome hard work. It's truly appreciated. Also when I was playing the other day & came back to the dream she was asleep. I used a bold hunters mark to re-spawn in the dream shes standing & awake, When I approach she gives the "I was sleeping" line (Latest patch was applied post Rom as I wanted to try the dupe glitch. Not sure if this has any effect but thought it may be worth mentioning.)
I don't think so, the notes are different. But if you pay attention, you'll notice that the winter lantern song seems to be just a slower version of mergo's lullaby.
I'm no music expert but it sounds similar to the beginning of lullaby for mergo. just imo though. you might need to look at them next to each other to tell
Enjoyable as always, hehe you´re a real madlad, Lance!! I´m amazed that you jumped back and forth between different versions of the game to find there things out xP
Had to make one more comment to let you know that your videos are honestly treasures. You are shedding light on things very few in the world have seen before and it is incredible. I'd put you up there with the legendary Nomad Colossus and I hope you continue your dive into these games.
The looping segments at 14:07 and 14:17, Can you make more scenes like this? They'd be perfect for animated desktop wallpapers. Good shot composition btw!
Yep. I believe the VA is russian. So it was probably a personal lullaby from her time as a child. Maybe conflicted with the lore and was cut? Who knows? I certainly don't.
@@Theohybrid It would actually would be perfect for bloodborne because the lullabie goes: "Baby, baby, rock-a-bye On the edge you mustn’t lie Or the little grey wolf will come And will nip you on the tum, Tug you off into the wood Underneath the willow-root."
I like the Japanese voice for the doll; she has the same welcoming, soothing, almost nurturing feek to her voice much like her English voice. With the chance for her to be asleep, in every playthrough, she is asleep every other time I return to the Hunter's dream. I hear the prayer in half of those occasions. That hum from 1.0 is something I'd forgotten about until you played it in this video. The subconscious part of my mind remembered it, and it filled my heart with warmth and actually calmed me down just now. Always surprises me how much this game has etched itself onto my soul
Feels like I've been binging so much cut/hidden content that I just braced for a breakdown of stuff I was familiar with but this lullaby humming was completely new...so neat!
@10:06 - Wow, you own 5 variants of Bloodborne discs & 4 different versions of Darks Souls 3. That is good to know. Nice collection. I own Bloodborne original version & Goty both.
Seems like everytime she is at the grave or sleeping. I got the sense that if I returned with enough echos to level up she would go to the grave so I noticed the grave. Pretty neat to know, nice work.
I will never get over how many subtle details have gone into this game. I can never thank you enough for all your hard work uncovering these small little secrets; normally I don't enjoy having the curtain pulled back on this stuff, but your videos have only enhanced the magic of Bloodborne rather than diminished it. Hopefully someday soon I'll be able to support you on patreon as thanks, but for now a simple 'like' is all I can do.
1:13 im pretty sure i remember this is because there is actually a pretty quiet snoring sound effect that I guess gets triggered like a normal dialogue
Yes but if you think about it, Gehrman also snores w/o a dialogue box. So the way I see it the dialogue box was intended for the lullaby and got replaced by snoring, but the box stayed as it was ''reserved'' for the lullaby. So ''freezing'' the game in v1.0 probably causes to glitch the game in a way that it thinks the lullaby is still in the game, so it starts using this ''reserved'' space again. I would actually love to know if the duration of dialogue box (which disappears after a while) and the lullaby are of the same length. It would explain a lot about the box for me.
So much effort put into your videos it's insane. Especially finding out new things after all these years and after all the time I've put into the game. If you do plan on diving into Bloodborne again any time soon, it'd be interesting to see if you could figure out what triggers Gehrman's Laurence & Wilhelm dialogue as I'm unsure if anyone quite knows what causes it. But nevertheless keep up the good work, looking forward to any games you choose to cover.
This was a lovely video, very informative. I was familiar with most of the material because I've been playing both versions of this game a lot ever since Day 1 in Japan, but I never, ever found that lullaby. I'm curious as to what song it actually is myself. Regardless, I must thank and congratulate you on finding raw data on the *why* of many of these events here. Cheers! Update: found the song. Check Lance's pinned comment for my reply.
P.S. I am now going to uninstall and reinstall Bloodborne, make a new save file, get the doll to do the lullaby on that save file, then upgrade the game to get her to keep doing it. Hell, I've done everything else this game has to offer, may as well go all the way.
Fantastic vid man, thanks a lot for all the cool insights! (pun not intended) I’m really happy to see new things still being uncovered in Bloodborne after all this time, keep up the great work!
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The melody the Doll sings is "Báyushki Bayú" , a Russian lullaby. Dead By Daylight players will also recognize it as the tune The Huntress hums to herself as she stalks her prey.
Thanks!
I knew it sounded familiar.
Yes! At first I thought it was Zhili u babusyi, but it wasn't quite right. I think developers asked the Russian voice actor Evetta Muradasilova to hum some lullaby, but upon learning that this is actually Russian folk lullaby, they removed it so it won't create any unnecessary lore.
The lyrics to this lullaby are hilariously relatable to Bloodborne actually. Bayu Bayushki Bayu
Do not lie down near the edge of the bed
The grey wolfie will come
And grab you by your tiny side
He'll grab you by your tiny side
And drag you to the forest...
Drag you to the forest...
Thank you!
I swear I was *this* close to titling the video: ASMR Soothing Plain Doll CALMLY PRAYS FOR YOU! (Try not to get relaxed!! ((99.993% FAIL!!!))))
ugh that would have been great disliked
That’s beautiful.
I mean, maybe you could loop it? Maybe for the love of God you could loop it?
Someone can still do it.
I think by tomorrow we'll find a 10 hour version of it on YT
The right path is often the hardest to follow
This mean The Doll actually remember my noob ass character first time play. That's kinda cool and sad.
I think it's a shame the lullaby was removed with the patch, it would have been another humanising action for the doll, who we're already so fond of. Thanks for all your hard work on this! It was really cool to learn how all of her actions are tiggered!
I'm late to the party, but it seems likely to me that it was accidentally disabled. The condition tree for the Doll's different states is already fairly complex, and by making a small change to that code they could have easily rendered one possible outcome (the lullaby) impossible to achieve. I have done the same thing coding before; when you start moving conditions around and adding to them you can easily "orphan" one of them by creating a situation where a particular outcome will always have priority over another one. Given that it was already a rare event such a bug would almost certainly never been caught by testers, even after numerous patches.
Lance seriously thank you very much for this videos, means a lot to the bloodborne fans, i can't get enough of this game.
Indeed. When I thought no game would give me the same feelings that I get only from listening to Fallout: New Vegas ost, comes Bloodborne to legit mark my life. Cheers from Brazil mate
Do you still dream?
@@Knttsqdo you still dream?
@@Jaden.CMeguinis “I have long been severed from the workshop. However, next time you dream, give some thought to the hunt, and its purpose
The doll seriously has the prettiest voice I’ve ever heard in my life. I really hope Bloodborne 2 comes out one day.... I miss Bloodborne so much
She gives me Pom Klementeiff Mantis vibes for some reason
Also Melina’s voice
Yeah, sure, the prettiest in your life, sure thing, buddy
@@AydarBMSTU why... why are you triggered by this?
@@AydarBMSTUSure, yeah, for sure, the prettiest, sure thing, mmmhm, sure.
"If you delete Bloodborne and put in this copy of DOA Xtreme 3..."
The doll have bob jiggle mechanic and it will explain every lore including the ludwig mentor
I hope with DOA you mean Dead Ops Arcade!
This is awesome!
That lullaby actually is most well known russian lullaby "Báyushki Bayú"
Can confirm, that's true
Does it have any lyrics or meaning? My google-fu is not doing so great with that wording.
you can heart it in john wick 1
@@Darkhearts It's childish and cringy but overall meaning was "fall asleep faster and don't sleep on your side or a wolf will bite your tummy" something like that.
Daniil Bogdanov, переводчик от бога :/
I love the doll. So interesting. This story is so deep with the lore. I’m still hooked after all these years.
OK, time for some really terrifying theories.
I’m from Russia (“please excuse my perfect accent”), and as it was already mentioned, what Doll is singing in the 1.0.0 version is the common slavic lullaby. (Just imagine my emotions after realizing it). It actually has a huge amount of variations, but the common parts are:
Fell asleep faster;
Don’t lie down on the edge;
The grey wolfie will come and bite your side.
Which perfectly fits in BB plot, especially the beginning scene of blood transfusion.
But there is even more. What winter lanterns are singing is quite similar to it.
So, if we decide to connect it to the lore we already know;
Could it be, that Lady Maria have sung this lullaby to clocktower patients, and now, after obtaining the eyes of Mensis/ being absorbed by the Nightmare/ etc, they are singing the monstrously distorted version of this song?
Especially considering, that they are casting the frenzy effect, which means interacting with the supernatural information from the depths of the Nightmare. It can be kind of interpreted as falling to the deepest sleep possible.
Actually, I’ve been developing an really big theory about lanterns, based on analyzing G.P. Lovecraft references. If someone is interested, I can translate and post it in the comments.
...
And I’ve actually wrote it in this line of comments, so I’ll add it to this comment to make it easier to find.
...
The starting point and the source of their unique power is the Brain of Mensis. (It is literally calleg "mother brain" in game files). The Great One, that has an organ named living string. It is said it it' description, that the brain was lined with eyes on the inside, but they were of an evil sort.
We already know, that insight and frenzy are two forms of the same process - obtaining supernatural knowledge. In case of frenzy it happends too roughly and causes the brain damage.
It is likely that the school of Mensis wanted to use it as a sourse of insight, but it was impossible for regular humans.
We know that research hall patients were the first attempt to create an superhuman creatures. The choir have continued this research and created celestial emmisares. But the patients are also similar to the lanterns, especially the separete head ones, that can attack with tentacles and cause frenzy. It is almost obvious that, the Mensis school used them in their own way, and created the lanterns.
“Here starts the completely theoretical part”
They needed a vessel able to absorb the knowledge from the Mensis Brain. But although the patient were already resistant to frenzy, there was another problem.
The M. Brain has basically two effects, the second one is turning the victim's blood into hard spikes similar to ones on bloodletter weapon. Here comes another feature of the lanterns - they drop only the droplet blood gems, that have no spiky patterns like other types.
It seems that the "head" patients have no blood, only brain fluid, but they need a functional body. Mensis school have created a special blood, that doesn't crystallise into spikes. (Ritual blood is described as “incoagulable” so at least it is a feature that exists in the lore). The last thing they needed was the shell for it. And here appears... Gehrman.
We already have an evidence, that he was working with Mensis. The red moon above old Yharnam was summoned by Mensis ritual (it becomes obvious near the end of the game). But the description of the cord in the workshop says, it is also involved. It is unlikely, that this two cases are independent. Gherman wanted to bring the Doll alive so much, that he submitted his life to the Moon Presence, it it is likely, that he met it not suddenly.
The doll has human form, but “sheds no blood”, which makes it a perfect shell. After being affected by the M. Brain, the head patient + doll combination transformed into the Winter Lantern.
Here actually goes the Lovecraft reference. He has a short story “Out of the Aeons”.
To begin with, this book mentions the “year of the red moon” that happened thousands of years ago. It is unlikely to be a coincidence, looks like H. Miyazaki have read this story.
It also mentions the creature named Ghatanothoa. Anyone who gazes upon it or it’s image becomes mad and petrified, but the organs remain safe, the story ends with revealing of the safe and functional BRAIN inside of Ghatanothoa’s victim. And the most important part: eyes of a human, affected by It, contain an imprinted image of this creature, that has partially the same effect.
So, the Brain of Mensis and the Wintern Lanterns May be the reference to Ghatanothoa and it’s victims.
And just some interesting fact: a lot of people wandered what does “Winter lantern” mean. The truth is, in Japan version they are called emm... the same way as a plant “Physalis alkekengi” that has a lot of other names like “Japanese-lantern”, “winter cherry”, and yeah “winter lantern”. This plant was widely used in medicine with different purposes including sedative. Which is ironically the complete opposite of what lanterns are in the game.
There is a very underrated criteria of fan-theories - how much it adds to the story and character development.
The theory, that Lantern are just created by Nightmare to scare the Hunter, adds almost nothing.
The “failing attempts to create the Doll” theory shows us, how much Gherman suffered, and why he ended up a slave of the Moon Presence.
(And possibly gives some really tricky Easter egg).
The Winter Lanterns wear the doll's clothing, have doll hands and sing her song off-key. They're warped versions of the doll created by the nightmare to screw with the Hunter's head, taking the one ounce of trust and safety they've built up and tainting it.
*remembered the comment of a guy who called your comment "bedsheet"*
@@camazotzbat5970 Same. I've read all lovecrafts stuff im interested if OP has more to add or makes his own video.
Camazotz Bat,
It may be so, but I think this part of the lore is much bigger and more important.
...
It took some time to write this, but at least now a have it somewhere...
...
The starting point and the source of their unique power is the Brain of Mensis. (It is literally calleg "mother brain" in game files). The Great One, that has an organ named living string. It is said it it' description, that the brain was lined with eyes on the inside, but they were of an evil sort.
We already know, that insight and frenzy are two forms of the same process - obtaining supernatural knowledge. In case of frenzy it happends too roughly and causes the brain damage.
It is likely that the school of Mensis wanted to use it as a sourse of insight, but it was impossible for regular humans.
We know that research hall patients were the first attempt to create an superhuman creatures. The choir have continued this research and created celestial emmisares. But the patients are also similar to the lanterns, especially the separete head ones, that can attack with tentacles and cause frenzy. It is almost obvious that, the Mensis school used them in their on way, and created the lanterns.
«Here starts completely theoretical part”
They needed a vessel able to absorb the knowledge from the Mensis Brain. But although the patient were already resistant to frenzy, there was another problem.
The M. Brain has basically two effects, the second one is turning the victim's blood into hard spikes similar to ones on bloodletter weapon. Here comes another feature of the lanterns - they drop only the droplet blood gems, that have no spiky patterns like other types.
It seems that the "head" patients have no blood, only brain fluid, but they need a functional body. Mensis school have created a special blood, that doesn't crystallise into spikes. (Ritual blood is described as “incoagulable” so at least it is a feature that exists in the lore). The last thing they needed was the shell for it. And here appears... Gehrman.
We already have an evidence, that he was working with Mensis. The red moon above old Yharnam was summoned by Mensis ritual (it becomes obvious near the end of the game). But the description of the cord in the workshop says, it is also involved. It is unlikely, that this two cases are independent. Gherman wanted to bring the Doll alive so much, that he submitted his life to the Moon Presence, it it is likely, that he met it not suddenly.
The doll has human form, but “sheds no blood”, which makes it a perfect shell. After being affected by the M. Brain, the head patient + doll combination transformed into the Winter Lantern.
Here actually goes the Lovecraft reference. He has a short story “Out of the Aeons”.
To begin with, this book mentions the “year of the red moon” that happened thousands of years ago. It is unlikely to be a coincidence, looks like H. Miyazaki have read this story.
It also mentions the creature named Ghatanothoa. Anyone who gazes upon it or it’s image becomes mad and petrified, but the organs remain safe, the story ends with revealing of the safe and functional BRAIN inside of Ghatanothoa’s victim. And the most important part: eyes of a human, affected by It, contain an imprinted image of this creature, that has partially the same effect.
So, the Brain of Mensis and the Wintern Lanterns May be the reference to Ghatanothoa and it’s victims.
And just some interesting fact: a lot of people wandered what does “Winter lantern” mean. The truth is, in Japan version they are called emm... the same way as a plant “Physalis alkekengi” that has a lot of other names like “Japanese-lantern”, “winter cherry”, and yeah “winter lantern”. This plant was widely used in medicine with different purposes including sedative. Which is ironically the complete opposite of what lanterns are in the game.
There is a very underrated criteria of fan-theories - how much it adds to the story and character development.
The theory, that Lantern are just created by Nightmare to scare the Hunter, adds almost nothing.
The “failing attempts to create the Doll” theory shows us, how much Gherman suffered, and why he ended up a slave of the Moon Presence.
(And possibly gives some really tricky Easter egg).
Jacob Hoover, well, I’ve wrote some thoughts there ^
lance: "but there is one more thing"
This line coming from Lance is music in my ears. :D
There is another
"But I'm not done yet! If you call right now, I'll give you 2 extra points in Arcane, completely free."
Lance is actually Columbo's grandson.
The black box appears when she is sleeping because there IS dialogue. She is snoring. They just didnt give it a sound effect in the English version.
they did give a sound effect (she snores, or breathes softly) in the english version, just not a subtitle for it.
I consider that fx
Snoring isn't dialogue, dude.
@@fjorgyn7438 It is in Japanese.
@@andremartinez4411 it's still not dialogue, it's a sound effect
Anyway moral of the story, click on this link: twitch.tv/lancemcdonald
I hope you enjoyed the video, but if you just want the raw DATA, here you go:
Version 1.0:
10% chance of falling asleep in her usual spot.
10% chance of kneeling at the unmarked grave
1% chance of praying at the unmarked grave, as long as Rom is dead.
1% chance of humming a lullaby at the unmarked grave, as long as Rom is dead.
10% chance of kneeling at the player's grave in NG+, as long as the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending.
0.5% chance of praying at the player's grave, as long as the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending.
0.5% chance of humming a lullaby at the player's grave, as long as the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending.
And regardless of anything else, if we've given her the hair ornament, her prayer will feature one extra line of dialogue at the end
Version 1.01 or above:
10% chance of falling asleep in her usual spot.
10% chance of kneeling at the unmarked grave, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited
2% chance of praying at the unmarked grave, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited, and Rom is dead.
10% chance of kneeling at the player's grave in NG+, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited, and the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending.
2% chance of praying at the player's grave, as long as the hunter's nightmare has never been visited, Rom is dead, and the player has seen the Yharnam sunrise ending.
And regardless of anything else, if we've given her the hair ornament, her prayer will feature one extra line of dialogue at the end
And beyond all of this, there is a bug when visiting Chalice Dungeons that can corrupt her flags and just make her do completely arbitrary things. It's insanely rare, but JSF caught it on video happening.
@@DebugMenu Do you have the name of that video?
Lance how do you estimate yet unexplored cut content in BB? Is there still a LOT?...
A Lullaby?? Oh wow. I’ve never played the original version before update but how cool to be able to see and hear that.
Hey Lance, I found the song corresponding to the melody of the lullaby that the Doll is humming. It's Баю баюшки баю, (Bayu Bayushki Bayu) a Russian folk lullaby. It is a common lullaby that mothers sing to their children in Russia and some neighboring slavic countries.
I never noticed that line change in her prayer if you give her the hair ornament. These details are why I love this game man. 5 years later and we're still finding out new stuff about this game.
Ah, Bloodborne. A fond, distant memory that I treasure. The nostalgia I feel ,when I watch these kind of videos, is precious and strangely soothing.
You rock, Lance. I'm gonna watch this like three times in a row now.
That extra line of dialogue in her prayer, and the dialogue after yharnam sunrise, blew my mind.. incredible work as always
My game is still at version 0, due to me being unable to update it, and what happens in my game is each play through I collect the bone from the Abandoned workshop (old hunters bone?) and I warp to the Dream, she will say her "O Flora," dialogue.
Now that... is interesting. I'll need to check if there's a flag attached to that bone!
@@DebugMenu what I thought was interesting was the extra line of dialogue for the hair ornament. Great video/discoveries!
Nice find!
Same but in my game she’s twerking... strange...very strange
@@GOD-nx1yo lmao
The doll is one of the best soulsborne hubworld wifes.
Nah, covetous demon is.
Winter Lantern has entered the chat.
I was lucky enough to witness the lullaby when I played the 1.0 version (I couldn't update it due to not having internet at the time and I simply couldn't not play Bloodborne). I didn't know it was this rare of an event. Wonderful video as always. Keep up the great work!
Doll: sings a lullaby
Hunters who played Dead by Daylight: I feel uncomfortable..
Nice video! I never knew about this lullaby and never noticed the change of the prayer.
Damnit, now you gave me the idea to make a huntress character...
@@wyvin3295 I don't remember seeing throwing axes in BB but I'd like to see how you would handle the cosplay
I’m thinking hunters axe (obviously) the sorta wolf pelt helm from the dlc, and the music box for that distinct hum. the build itself would be pretty strength based.
I love these deep dive analysis, great work
Yo hallo stanplay
Great video man! The Doll is too wholesome
It's always good to return to the dream and hear her comfy tidings
@@SatomiForward Doll is the perfect waifu
So they removed such a small piece of content as the lullaby is? Why? It gives so much depth by itself! I'm mad now
Most likely some sort of copyright thing.
@@TheRagingSerpent but you cannot copyright a half-hummed folk lullaby. Also, those last notes that the doll hums are not part of the original lullaby. Makes me think, maybe it's not the same song?
@@Banana-senpai I figured it didn't match the lore, was personal to the VA and was cut.
Either it was just the VA training or accidently deleted
@Steven Murphy it's really easy to accidently remove this outcome
Her humming is so calming, i could sleep to it
And what a wonderful dream I would have
Marcus Dominguez Be careful The Entity doesn't take you while you dream. Lest this lullaby might take on a darker tone.
Men once time when i sleep
I saw father gascoi chasing me around
This game is so entrenched in lore that it could be a real place, just wow. Thank you very much for making this video, this games lore seems to be bottomless
I'm a Bloodborne fanatic and I never even knew that it was possible for the doll to hum a lullaby. Thank you SO MUCH Lance for your hard work. Also, this seems to tie her even more strongly to the winter lanterns now.
Thank you for the Bloodborne content.
One thing I’d like to know is what marks a player as a “Bloodadled Hunter” this happens when wearing the hunter of hunters rune and is supposedly a “random” chance. Ideas?
Basically means if you have killed other hunters. The hunters of hunters covenant is specifically to hunt down hunters who have killed. It is a very rare chance. Entirely random as you have said.... Even a hunter of hunters can be blood addled and be hunted down by someome who has the HoH covenant. Ultimately the covenant was a one man(woman) cov with Eileen hunting those who have killed. So if we were to take multiplayer out then it makes a lot more sense story-wise. It isn't as "fun" as other covenants but imo that stamina replenishment is too good.
Rom: **summons spider to defeat the hunter**
The Hunter: lol no.
**slaps rom with the power of lord gwyn himself**
Still the best Waifu From Software ever gave us.
Nah covetous demon
@@steampunklemon1508 Elizabeth mushroom is better.
The nexus chick was bare feet so.. checkmate.
Dolleru Best Girl!
Nahh son, nashandra is best waifu
this kind of dedication from both the creators and the fans is what you want to see in Games
Thank you, lance! Your work is valuable beyond measure
I love the Doll's lullaby. I wish they didn't patch it out.
Thanks for still exploring, even prouder to have had this avatar for years because of work such as yours to continue the legacy and the _dream._
I felt I bit creepy when heard her lullaby -- it sounds so familiar to the one my mum used to sing to me when I was a child
It might be. It's a real lullaby, common in Russia.
"Bayu Bayushki"? The one about the wolfie pulling little one's sides to the forest if they hang along the ends of the bed and whatnot?
I bet once she found out you're a furry she didn't even want to get near you
@@zerobasedgod9291 Silence weeb. Don't consider yourself superior.
Man without you i will never know she can humming in this game.
Great job on the camera angles, solid work! I love how a random YT video of the Doll’s humming inspired a 15 minute deep dive of her chance ‘encounters’.
wtf, the dialogue at 8:13 totally resolves so many questions for me about bloodborne! can't believe i'd never heard it, didn't even know that your tombstone appeared in the dream before this vid
I saw your progress through by accompanying your tweeter posts. But, man, this is amazing. A fine work, really. And that shot from the workshop at the beginning... just lovely.
Wow you find the most amazing stuff, That humming piece was fantastic & now I'm going to have to try that myself. Thank you for your awesome hard work. It's truly appreciated.
Also when I was playing the other day & came back to the dream she was asleep. I used a bold hunters mark to re-spawn in the dream shes standing & awake, When I approach she gives the "I was sleeping" line (Latest patch was applied post Rom as I wanted to try the dupe glitch. Not sure if this has any effect but thought it may be worth mentioning.)
Nice work, Lance.
Thank you for talking about the doll's dialogues, prayers and especially her humming. It was relaxing. Well made, sir.
The legend does it again. Thanks for another great video! Always looking forward to more.
I'm most curios about the actual technical reverse-engineering process of the game. I'd relly like to see a video about that.
One of the only channels I get legitimately excited to see pop up in my notifications tbh. Keep up the good work man!
11:30
Are there any similarities to the winter lantern singing?
Edit: And any similarities to lullaby for mergo?
I don't think so, the notes are different. But if you pay attention, you'll notice that the winter lantern song seems to be just a slower version of mergo's lullaby.
I'm no music expert but it sounds similar to the beginning of lullaby for mergo. just imo though. you might need to look at them next to each other to tell
It seems to be the russian lullaby called Bayushki Bayu
Maybe unrelated but it sounds like one of the killers from Dead By Daylight. Maybe it's a real lullaby?
The winter lantern song does actually seem to be a cut up version of this song. I’m pretty confident.
Love your game shelf
Her japanese voice is so comforting, it really fitting for the Doll
You're content is amazing, Lance!!
Enjoyable as always, hehe you´re a real madlad, Lance!! I´m amazed that you jumped back and forth between different versions of the game to find there things out xP
Had to make one more comment to let you know that your videos are honestly treasures. You are shedding light on things very few in the world have seen before and it is incredible.
I'd put you up there with the legendary Nomad Colossus and I hope you continue your dive into these games.
Great video Lance!
I do remember some video here on RUclips with the Doll humming, some years ago and found it to be very interesting too.
The looping segments at 14:07 and 14:17, Can you make more scenes like this? They'd be perfect for animated desktop wallpapers. Good shot composition btw!
Always love your content! This is my favorite game and I love learning about new details, no matter how minor they may be.
WTF, her lullaby sounds like russian lullaby named «Bayu bayushki bayu»
I didn’t expect to hear it in Bloodborne
Yep. I believe the VA is russian.
So it was probably a personal lullaby from her time as a child.
Maybe conflicted with the lore and was cut? Who knows? I certainly don't.
@@Theohybrid It would actually would be perfect for bloodborne because the lullabie goes:
"Baby, baby, rock-a-bye
On the edge you mustn’t lie
Or the little grey wolf will come
And will nip you on the tum,
Tug you off into the wood
Underneath the willow-root."
I had no idea the doll would actually mourn you after gehrman kills you. That's beautiful
Hearing the Japanese voice actor gave her a completely different vibe
Amazing love how you still find new content. And was nice to see your Bloodborne collection. Please keep it up man!!
Probably my favorite one you've made. The rare content is beautiful.
blackmoose V I could just fall asleep to Dolls voice. She's so sweet, this one if my favorite too
Thank you for putting in the effort to deepdive with not much lore returned.
This made my day! thank you for this video!
This is so sick, great work dude!
I like the Japanese voice for the doll; she has the same welcoming, soothing, almost nurturing feek to her voice much like her English voice. With the chance for her to be asleep, in every playthrough, she is asleep every other time I return to the Hunter's dream. I hear the prayer in half of those occasions.
That hum from 1.0 is something I'd forgotten about until you played it in this video. The subconscious part of my mind remembered it, and it filled my heart with warmth and actually calmed me down just now.
Always surprises me how much this game has etched itself onto my soul
You never cease to amaze me. Especially the quality of these videos and finds.
Awesome work, Lance! This is the first time I've heard about that lullaby
Feels like I've been binging so much cut/hidden content that I just braced for a breakdown of stuff I was familiar with but this lullaby humming was completely new...so neat!
Finally been waiting for this althrough I'm always updated on your discord, twitter and stuff :^)
Love this bloodborne content, always interesting to see what more you can find.
@10:06 - Wow, you own 5 variants of Bloodborne discs & 4 different versions of Darks Souls 3. That is good to know. Nice collection.
I own Bloodborne original version & Goty both.
As usual you work is a work of a Great One. Love the details man, keep it up. Now I have reason to play Unpatched version of Bloodborne. Thank you.
Seems like everytime she is at the grave or sleeping. I got the sense that if I returned with enough echos to level up she would go to the grave so I noticed the grave. Pretty neat to know, nice work.
Nice job doing all these researches. So much dedication and passion went on this video. Thank you
This channel really keeps bloodborne alive for me, I'm going to boot it up once I get home from work and give it another go
That doll is adorable af and must be protected.
I will never get over how many subtle details have gone into this game. I can never thank you enough for all your hard work uncovering these small little secrets; normally I don't enjoy having the curtain pulled back on this stuff, but your videos have only enhanced the magic of Bloodborne rather than diminished it. Hopefully someday soon I'll be able to support you on patreon as thanks, but for now a simple 'like' is all I can do.
1:13 im pretty sure i remember this is because there is actually a pretty quiet snoring sound effect that I guess gets triggered like a normal dialogue
Yes but if you think about it, Gehrman also snores w/o a dialogue box. So the way I see it the dialogue box was intended for the lullaby and got replaced by snoring, but the box stayed as it was ''reserved'' for the lullaby. So ''freezing'' the game in v1.0 probably causes to glitch the game in a way that it thinks the lullaby is still in the game, so it starts using this ''reserved'' space again.
I would actually love to know if the duration of dialogue box (which disappears after a while) and the lullaby are of the same length. It would explain a lot about the box for me.
i've always loved the doll, this is nice.
Thanks Lance,
You’re the best, you’re content is awesome.
This was such AMAZING Work👏 Thank You. I Love Bloodborne so much any content on it is much appreciated 🙏
So much effort put into your videos it's insane. Especially finding out new things after all these years and after all the time I've put into the game. If you do plan on diving into Bloodborne again any time soon, it'd be interesting to see if you could figure out what triggers Gehrman's Laurence & Wilhelm dialogue as I'm unsure if anyone quite knows what causes it. But nevertheless keep up the good work, looking forward to any games you choose to cover.
Hope you are proud of yourself, now I got this humming in my head.
the technical knowledge needed to find these type of triggers and finding the exact percentages is unbelievable. Respect
Thanks for all the work you put into these videos Lance, they are incredibly interesting!
Amazing work dude!
Dude you're such a legend, stunning work
I can't imagine how much effort you've been putting in your videos. I just wanna tell you that I love your content and thank you so much.
This is why I subscribed. Good stuff my man
Thanks for keeping this game alive! All your videos are really interesting
This was a lovely video, very informative. I was familiar with most of the material because I've been playing both versions of this game a lot ever since Day 1 in Japan, but I never, ever found that lullaby. I'm curious as to what song it actually is myself. Regardless, I must thank and congratulate you on finding raw data on the *why* of many of these events here. Cheers!
Update: found the song. Check Lance's pinned comment for my reply.
P.S. I am now going to uninstall and reinstall Bloodborne, make a new save file, get the doll to do the lullaby on that save file, then upgrade the game to get her to keep doing it. Hell, I've done everything else this game has to offer, may as well go all the way.
Fantastic vid man, thanks a lot for all the cool insights! (pun not intended)
I’m really happy to see new things still being uncovered in Bloodborne after all this time, keep up the great work!
Awesome work as always Lance!
All these years and we are still finding new things in this game
A masterpiece really
That lullaby content was the most needed thing I've ever seen be removed from a game
Bloodborne videos even now? I’m so happy!
Saw your post on Reddit, this is awesome!
Great work once again Lance!
That bloodborne case...I'm jealous. Great video as always Lance
Holy shit, still making content??? Bro, kudos, and thank you!
I love these videos. Keep 'em coming bro.
Good stuff, man. Love your videos. Keep it up!