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Walter Veith has this to say to all independent ministries within SDA church
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Walter Veith in his sermon spoke about independent ministries within the SDA church like Amazing facts, secrets unsealed, clash of minds, Amazing Discoveries, Saved to serve, Bible flock box, Amazing word ministries and others that you need to hear as Adventist. watch video for more details. Video source: • Professor Walter Veith...
Original source: Amazing Discovery (RUclips)
Presenter’s ministry: clash of minds (RUclips)
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Yes br. Lawrence, even the very ones you didnt mention that the ones you mentioned get their updates from, even you. I wonder why the silence about the GC lawsuit against the Free SDA Church. I wonder why. Report on that.
@@user-ip3cf6nw3l alright
Professor veith am not surprised you are way off track . You messed up with the mark of the beast you're confusing at such a time as this .
@@user-ip3cf6nw3luser-ip3, Isn't the Free SDA Church far removed from true SDA teaching?
@@earlysda what is the true sda teaching?
John Baptist was a independent ministry. Jesus too started up an independent ministry. Since Covid I have been listening to Save to Serve, and other independent ministries, and I have been truly blessed have learned so so much about God truth, the Prophecies of the Bible, and Ellen G. White. Because of some of these Ministries I have grown so much stronger and grounded in my faith with God. One of the favorite Scriptures of the Adventist Church: To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according then no light is not in them. ( Isa.:8;20). .These Ministries are speaking to God laws and testimonies, not only speaking but obeying them. So what's the problem. They do not water down God messages. Not afraid to call sin by its name. Speaking present truth. We are called to do God work. It's all about God Bible truth, not about operating under the Conference.
Agreed
The self-supporting places I was involved with for awhile blessed and benefited me. I see these places as out posts of the church . I was enriched by the good people I met and worked with. . I also attended Mout Vernon Academy and an SDA college. Good memories Meta lot of good people ..
Sorry, but John the baptist was not an independent ministry. You might say he was - self supporting because he didn't rely on the priests or rulers to support him, but he wasn't independent of the church of Israel. John was a member of the TRUE church of Israel, the sincere faithful remnant of Israel...and all true Israelites were united with him in accepting Christ as the long-looked for Messiah. That's why, when apostate Israel rejected Christ, the true household of Israel- the church, kept the torch alive and spread the gospel of Christ to the world.
And guess what, Jesus was baptized by an offshoot, that's John the Baptist who, as you rightly said, run an independent ministry.
I participate in independent ministries, myself. Covid was an eye opener.
Same here. I will never sleep again..
I love some the independent ministries I learnt so much from them when I was searching for the true church by the help of the holy spirit and these independent ministries I have found the truth now I'm a baptized seventh day Adventist. So I believe some of the independent ministries are useful cause they dig deep in God's words and help me to understand Bible prophecies. May God use them to win souls for his kingdom. 🙏🙌♥️
Amen
Yes en
Amen
I am a SDA member and from I started listening to prophecy again tv I have learned so many truth and my eyes are now open to present truth. The conference has watered-down many of the truth.
Here are some strange titles to sermons on Andrew Henriques' website:
Merkel & Macron to Create Global Army & Concentration Camps for Pope to Fight “Extremists.”
SDAs join Jesuits Sanitizing History
SDAs deny Christ 1955,1995:
Adventist World Magazine refuses to Identify the Papacy as the man of sin for these last days;
SDA: Keep Sabbath & Sunday Holy.
Pilate & Felix rejected 2300 year judgment message.
CIA, the bogeymen, behind Venezuelan Crisis.
Expect EMP Attack from 3 Sources, even a False Flag event.
Billy Graham and SDAs being paid to conceal identity of Anti-Christ.
Social Media, Pope, Great Hope kill Protestantism.
SDAs & Todd Leonard: It's Time to Reincarnate the Adventist Faith, Time to support LGBT.
Trump’s Transgender ban aligns with Laudato Si’s call for Sunday Law.
Trump & Abbott Proclaim National Sunday Prayer instigated by Pope & Evangelicals.
Pope blames LGBT for calamities.
Martin Luther Exhumed to be Publicly Burned 10.31.17.
SDAs reject Mark of the Beast
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Let's call on him to repent, and turn to preaching the straight truth.
Prophecy Again provides information on current events not present truth. Present Truth is so rare that only a very few actually understand the coming separation in the church, the next movements of the nations and what we need to do right now which is to surrender to the separation of sin in our lives.
@@Gottshaw_channel what is present truth according to you or scripture? If it weren't for Prophesy again tv and a few other self supported ministries, I wouldn't know about striving for victory over sin, I wouldn't know about dress and diet reform, nor know where we are at such a time as this of earth history, and many other Biblical principles or truths that are sidelined in our local churches. To say Prophesy again tv only provide current events info, that is not speaking the truth either on your part. Unless if you say you only go to their channel to listen to current event and deafen your ears from hearing the Word.
Thats true i noticed that a long time ago thats why when i check out sts its only for current events and i do that from time to time because everything is always presented in such a extravagant way you would think Jesus will be here in just 12 hours and that is just not healthy.
@@PerseverandaVery true, veranda.
As long as these independent ministries are preaching the true message, then the more the better for outreach
"Paul writes to the Romans, 'if it be possible, as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men.'
But there is a point beyond which it is impossible to maintain union and harmony without the
sacrifice of principle. Separation then becomes an absolute duty." The Signs of the Times,
November 8, 1899
When I listen to the independent ministries, I hear a consistent message about present truth, country living, the mark of the beast, and how the book of revelation relates to what is happening today around the world in addition to how the General Conference is no longer preaching the 3 Angels messages and is aligned with the Roman Catholic Church. The changes in the book, The Great Controversy to the Great Hope should ring a bell and changes in the SDA symbol of the 3 Angels going around the world to the fire-like symbol with the eye of Satan in between and the cross on the Bible. Most of the independent ministries are consistent with their message along with the spirit of prophecy. For Pastor Vieth and other SDA pastors to say that the independent ministries should be in the General Conference because we all are one, is something you should be very cautious about. Since the General Conference and the pastors of their churches are not preaching what the independent ministries are preaching, how are the people going to be prepared in these last days and troubling times? Who is going to tell them? Well, God did say the rocks will cry out, and there are some non-sda pastors recognizing that the Saturday is truly God’s Sabbath. I would be very careful and cautious as to what is coming out of the General Conference these last days.
To add to that if you join with Rome two will become one no matter if you are sda or not. God is not a respector of persons, the Conference is worse than Israel of Old. I will like Pastor Veith to know that The Holy Spirit is the one who leads us and guide us into all truth.
My brother I understand that, but we are one church and the Captain knew that these things would happen, what is going to separate the tares from the wheat is the Truth from the Faithful Witness. What the leaders do with that is the personal problem, but the orders of the Captain are to go ahead , meet the issues, preach the truth and witness the truth through our lives. Calling the church Babylon is in no way following the orders. The Spirit of Prophecy tells us not to call the object of the uttermost affection of God, His Church, Babylon. We are called to be pillars within the church so those who are inside can see the difference between the true people of God and those who will fall out because they won't be able to resist the the True Testimony -from within- not from outside.
@@viviancordero9224you are the one who said we should not call the church Babylon, I didn’t call the church Babylon, but it seems that if the description of what the General Conference is doing is close or fits or aligns with what Babylon is presently saying or doing then it’s probably or maybe Babylon.
@Elvie6273 I didn't say you call the church Babylon anywhere. I mention it because there's a trend from the independent ministries (not the self supporting ministries), to call the Church Babylon. I agree the independent ministries are preaching present truth which is very good, but we should do it trashing the church because doesn't agree with it according to the Spirit of Prophecy and the Bible: "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
Trashing the church doesn't sound that we love one another." A call for repentance is very well needed, a need of reformation and revival as well, the way we do it is the difference between a true disciple or someone merely criticizing the church.
@@viviancordero9224 Would you rather not know of the evil thats is going onn in the church or do you have the same views as Eli who say it is God church he will deal with it. If the church do that which is right, then good things would be said. By your fruits you are known. They have themselves to be blamed, they are guilty. Why don't you tell the church not to do all they are doing that cause the independent ministries to speak about them? Isa.58:1.
THE CHURCHES OUTSIDE THE CONFERENCE ARE PREACHING THE UNDILUTED WORD OF GOD
Yes, you're right
hey angela do you believe in Jesus or the conference can the conference save you
@@user-xy1kh6sb6k JESUS OF COURSE
No my dear, ask that question to the people who are brainwashed
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You heard that Bro. Lawrence. The church stop preach the Three Angels Message and that's why God had to raise up the Independent Ministries. I know I am learning a lot from these Independent Churches. God will take them back to the Body when He is ready. I will not stop listening to them. God Bless you Bro. Lawrence and your ministry.
Amen
I moved out of the cities into the rural district. Both SDA churches near me have nothing to preach about the Three Angels messages. It's a sad... They're both conference affiliated, the regular lines.
Amen thank God for the Independent Ministries. God will bring them in His time.❤
i will always be a sda but the body is silent on her mandate because of compromise with rome
@@dwenprince4774dwen, If the SDA Church renounces the 7th day Sabbath, will you continue to be a member of it?
Prof Walter Veith is God sent messenger. Let's support his ministry that he is doing. God be praised ❤
❤❤amen 🙏🙏
@@davidinchcliff4560where and exactly?
Independent ministries are a part of the church, they are not a part of the General Conference. Big difference. The general Conference is not the church. Was John the Baptist a part of the GC? Was Jesus and His disciples? Independent ministries are doing the work that the Conference churches are afraid to do because they have sold out to the government. Somebody has to be an Elijah
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
amen!
Amen and Amen 🙏🏾
I agree. I belong to a small independent group in a park. We believe that we were chosen to do this ministry, because it is where there are souls who are searching. We are connected to a church. I was expecting the 3lders or the Pastor to visit us as his flock. Not yet and we have already baptised 3 souls. What should we do?
You are 100% correct.
The independent pastors are doing well (some)why because they have the truth and they are not afraid to speak it
The church leaders of the SDA have been circumcised by the world leaders they can't can't speak about the truth
Unfortunately the church is not preaching the 3angels message. I have visited churches and the preaching from the pulpit is low grade. Many self supporting ministries preach and teach the 3angels message and more. Im a seventh day adventist 20yrs and a serious change has happened, but the Lord is going to solve this issue once and for all. Amen !
Very true I agree with you 💯% percent.
For years I have been watching pastor Walter Veith , and he is a man of God, doing the work of God, I pray for the blessings of God to be with him, in mission for the Lord Amen.
Check the history of the church down through the ages in Revelation. We are in the Leodacia period. the luckwarm period. The state of the Church should be of no surprise to SDA. We need to study our Bible so we can know the truth and it will set us free. We need to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus and not on the Church or members. It's only God that can save us.
In the comment I gave is also an explaination of how the three angels message works . It is not the preaching you hold so dear .
are you following Jesus or men show where JESus said to THE APOSTLES TO PREACH THE MESSAGE OF 3 ANGELS JESUS SAID TO PREACH THE KINGDOM OF GOD MARK !16 verses 15 AND HE SAID UNTO THEM GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE come to the true
ON CHRIST THE SOLID ROCK I STAND. There must be a falling away before the coming of the Lord so I am not too alarm about anything except to see the fulfillment of phrofecy.
Yes dear
PRAISE GOD. I AGREE
I THINK THIS ADVICE MIGHT WELL APPLY WITH MOST OF THE SELF SUPPORTING SDA MINISTRIES ..."LUKE 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid [him] not: for he that is not against us is for us."
I was thinking of this exact scripture. It is very fitting.
It is not the independent ministries that is separating themselves from the body. It’s the body that is giving the independent ministries a hard time.
They seprate thenselves
The Lord has encouraged those who have started out on their own responsibility to work for him, their hearts filled with love for souls ready to perish. A true missionary spirit will be imparted to those who seek earnestly to know God and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. The Lord lives and reigns. Young men, go forth into the places to which you are directed by the Spirit of the Lord. Work with your hands, that you may be self-supporting, and as you have opportunity, proclaim the message of warning. {SpM 176.6}
There are many precious truths contained in the Word of God, but it is "present truth" that the flock needs now. I have seen the danger of the messengers running off from the important points of present truth, to dwell upon subjects that are not calculated to unite the flock and sanctify the soul. Satan will here take every possible advantage to injure the cause. {EW 63.1}
I love Prophecyagaintv. My SDA church in NYC has become progressive and allows women preachers and never discusses the current end time events like Saved To Serve. I also didn't agree with conferences not putting up a fight during the covid closings and against the vaccinations.
yes love
Yes they quickly took the side of the government so sad turning their backs on those that didn’t go along with the worlds narrative
In many places self-supporting missionaries can work successfully. It was as a self-supporting missionary that the apostle Paul labored in spreading the knowledge of Christ throughout the world. While daily teaching the gospel in the great cities of Asia and Europe, he wrought at the trade of a craftsman to sustain himself and his companions. His parting words to the elders of Ephesus, showing his manner of labor, have precious lessons for every gospel worker: {MH 154.1}
I love Amazing Discoveries, Clash of Minds, and Little Light Studios (LED).
Amen! We need independent ministries who have the boldness, courage and spirit of Elijah who is still part of the body of Christ, His church. The conference is not the church. Glad, people are realizing this. We need to wake up. I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I have an appreciation and respect for any minister in the conference or not in the conference who are faithful in giving the 3 Angels messages!
Amen Walter Veith (pronounced "fight") 😀
Please note my brothers, that there is a difference between a self supporting ministry and an independent ministry. We cannot be independent of the body of Christ. However this is whst Ellen White had to say. The Church "regular line and the self- supporting irregular line". And she endorses both. And l agreed, most self-supporting Ministries are doing a tremendous job in getting the 3 angels messages out to a dying world.
İndependent ministries are the ones sounding the alarm loud and clear
Amen....
Amen
Pastors in the Caribbean Preach the 3 angels messages with no apology. The message are being spread in 3rd world countries. The poorer the country the better the preaching.
Amen
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Amen
I love them Saved To Serve,Amazing Word Miniseries,Pastor Stephen Bohr and few others ❤
Stephen Bohr teaches that Adam and Eve did NOT keep the very 1st Sabbath. He also breaks the Sabbath every year by forcing hotel workers to serve his meeting attendees food. Let's pray and raise our voices against this, as he does preach a lot of truth.
@earlysda tell us your shortcomings for you sure have, before you tell of others. Accuser of his brethren
@@earlysdaso when you attend camp meeting or go to an SDA cafeteria on sabbath do you not pay for your food? I suppose if you have a medical emergency you won’t go to the pharmacy or hospital on Sabbath?
Don’t worry about Stephen Bohr, He is an excellent preacher and teacher.
Let’s each worry about our own salvation.
I really enjoy them, save to serve has helped my spiritual life so much
@@nancyoni1234nancy, why do you think Jesus is happy to see Pr. Bohr teach others to keep the 7th day Sabbath while he breaks it himself every year? And do you agree that Adama and Eve did NOT keep the first 7th day Sabbath?
I have been to an independent ministries camp meeting with my 1st husband, the presenters spent most of their time blasting the General Conference and the problems of the church instead of the beautiful message we have to share.
There are no life boats, we need to stay on our knees and in the word drawing closer to Christ and in turn we will have the unity that is needed to get the 3angels message out that the world may be warned and either come out of the world or join forces with them!
May we pray without ceasing for the gift of His Spirit so 4th angel can unite with the 3 angels and God's character vindicated by His flock willing to follow the Shepherd wherever He leads.
Wise words, lorie, except that there is a life boat - Jesus Christ!
AMEN. PRAISE GOD..
“God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither
is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments.
"Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." Where
Christ is, even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High
and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three
are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in
the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city, [or] enclosed in prison walls. The
glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the
darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles' of old, spread
their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed
by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the
steadfast soul who trusts fully in God.” {17MR 81.4}
Beautiful!!
Pastor Andre Henrique and ProphecyAgaintv are doing a tremendous service to believers
Let's pray pastor Andrew Henriques will repent for telling many ridiculous things in the past about SDA leaders, and that he will do better at preaching the Bible and SOP truth.
@@earlysda hmmmm
@@earlysdaoh I see in the chat on a regular. Now I see clearly where you stand
Pastor Andrew Henrigues is doing amazing work for the Lord and is teaching the Truth from the Holy Scriptures. We can not say that about the GC SDA churches who are in apostasy! ISAIAH 10:22🙏🏽
You need to learn how to spell his name correctly before you accuse him!
The GC is upset the money is not all going straight to them. They don't want to share.
This is totally not true. There are plenty of programs that the GC and NAD have set up to give assistance to independent ministries.
Independent churches are making a great contribution preaching The Present Truth that the SDA church isn't preaching.
Independent ministries do not disconnect by choice but members are treated with disdain
I support independent ministry no matter what, they're not scared to preach the truth period. I watched saved to serve and amazing word ministry, and they are doing a great work of God.
I do not miss one of Amazing Word Ministries.
Read last day event we should not separated ourselves from the main body , nothing wrong with independent ministry they doing a good job only if they do according to God commanded, you must operate independent just like christ and balance it by go to a local sda Church to help bring the present truth to them , yes it is a big fight to get the pulpit but God will open the way just Humble among them one day the pastor will not show up and God allowed you to preach that day so the people in apostasy can get the message.
ELIJAH and john baptist did not have a church, for themself. Christ did not set up a church for himself neither , John baptised the people and send them to local temple the people following Christ where did Christ send them to local churches, and after Jesus died ,the same Israel that kill Jesus , he send his deciple to preach to the lost sheep of Israel, Demonstrate his LOVE for apostate priest / pastor of our day and stiffnecked people we must develop that character too. no separation and built your own church. Some of these independent ministry develop the spirit of slanderous cursing the sda outside of Israel on RUclips is outside of the church the whole world listing you cursing the sda pastor, especially amazing ministry and save to serve
How do you cooperate with a system that is retreating to Rome? I see so many roadblocks today. The pestilence crisis was the litmus test. The G.C. was a colossal failure and with NO REPENTANCE until today.
Personally I have learnt alot of great truths by the independent ministeries actually God drew me back to the church after watching the shaking sermon by Pr Stephen Bohr
I wish he wouldn’t comb his hair over though , other preachers are natural as God intended………
I *strongly disagree with Walter Veith. If it were not for independent SDA Ministries, there would only be lengthy sermons presented by the Church. No short evangelical videos, that people would watch. Who wants to watch full length sermons on their phones? Who has the time or inclination? I am thankful for short videos such as Bro Lawrence presents, which can be shared elsewhere. And I am thankful he doesn't mind, as he wants the widest outreach possible. With regard to short, interesting videos that can be shared, it is mainly non-Adventist Ministries that have a huge impact. It annoys me to see some Adventist Pastors making videos more than 3 hours long. When questioned (I have one in mind), the reply was. "You can watch them in stages." Really!!! Quite frankly I think the SDA independent Ministries, are doing a far better job at evangelizing on the Web, than the Church itself. I have never felt that these Ministries were separated from the Church, quite the contrary.
I can't imagine the SDA Church, without it's Independent Ministries. They are the *main outreach of the Church. Without them, the SDA Church would not have the worldwide influence it has now.
i have never seen the word GC in the scripture,we should follow a thus saith the Lord,if the main body is falling away from the present truth,we need to follow truth where ever it is.
I also totally agree, the independent ministries are doing a fantastic job in sharing the three angels messages which most churches don't preach. I have been to many churches in Canada and don't here any of them preaching the end time message. I believe God is behind the setting up of these independent ministries just like Pastor Veith stated. May the Lord continue to bless them all. I will add 3ABN and many others.
According to me they are also important and if we can analyse well, in these independent churches is where at least you still have the real flavor of the SDA church of how it should be and how members must live. If you talk about dress reform, health reform, the message... Go there you will know who the Adventists are
There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian. {12MR 333.1}
There is a big difference between independent ministries and independent churches. This video is about independent ministries, which are clearly part of God's plan. Nowhere are God's people counseled to create independent churches. Not in Scripture. Not in SOP.
God has one organized body and it goes through to the end. People who leave that organized body have left the church, and in my years I have never seen such a group who didn't whither away into nothing. It usually starts as a home gathering of people who are rightly grieved by what they see in the church. Then they feel compelled to drop their affiliation but still call themselves Adventists. They start a church of their own where they establish doctrinal and behavioral litmus tests and spend their days criticizing God's ordained movement.
The Seventh-day Adventist church is God's chosen vessel. Sometimes it's ugly but that is HIS problem, not yours. Stay in the boat... it's the only one that goes to port.
I agree
Personally am more comfortable with independent churches than those which are under the general conference
I agree with you. I have learned so much
Is Amazing Facts independant?
That's how the Lord works in the church. He raises up Watchmen and they sound the warning while many sleep or compromise with the false teachers of Babylon.....but the warning is given nonetheless. Praise God for His mercy 🙏
Some of the independent ministries are doing a great job, by preaching the 3 angels message, but there are others that their main purpose is to bash the church, and that is indeed wrong.
My question is: Are they bashing the church for the truth, the “Present Truth” for today, which is by the way not being preach in GC affiliated churches or are they crying out against the apostasy that is so prevailing in many GC affiliated churches which are driving out many, such as me, deep into the world? The self supporting ministries were used by God to open my eyes back into the word of God. I praise and thank the Lord for leading me to them.Their “every” sermon is a slap to my face,it woke me up, to the errors that I’m following and it brought me down to my knees, confessing and asking for forgiveness and guidance. The Lord lead me to pray for this church and especially for the leaders for many like me are being lead astray. Let us take side with and for the “TRUTH” not with any organization, believing they have the truth but not living nor practicing it. No wander, the Lord said , even when two or three are gathered together in His name, He will be in their midst.(Matthew 18:20) You can’t make an organization out of two or three individual. The Lord abides or resides in in every individual temple not on any physical temple or organization. Does the SDA church “KNEW” the truth? Yes,I believe so. But, Do they “HAVE”the truth in their heart and speaking it out and living it out? I SAY: So….ooo many, @DON’T” Many like me were lead astray for believing so much in the leadership ( that’s my mistake) until the Lord lead me, first to the independent ministries and then to the self-supporting ministries and through their teaching, I was lead and drawn to study the Word of God and to see if what they’re saying ( so-called bashing) is true, then the Lord opened my eyes to the truth, now I see the errors. The Lord will not forsake any sincere seekers of Him and of the Truth.
dowie, your words are exactly correct. God bless you.
@@nikkopeaches2846 Listen, the church has problems. The seventh day Adventist Church that I love is filled with problems. I know that. But if we are going to use our "independent ministry" to just put the churches dirty laundry out there for the public to see in over 80% of our post - what person is going to really want to join the church, when that is all they are hearing? Let's think 🤔 about it.
The sda church is God's last day church, tho it may seem sometimes that it is not. Jesus said in one of his parables when the disciples ask what to do, he said "An enemy has done this, nevertheless, let them all grow until the day of harvest".
@@nikkopeaches2846 The duty for you and I is to do the best we can do and let the chips fall where they may. God will sift the wheat 🌾 from the tares in due time.
Agree
True Independent ministries are not against the true church.
Right !!
Heaven doesn't belong to SDA but those who keeps the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus..Bye bye systems..
Secrets Unsealed is my favorite because it's mainly for the edification of the saints. In-depth study of the Bible especially for me who's a baptized member.
Independent ministries are personal ministries gone professional and are very important in spreading the gospel and the present truth. The church makes a mistake when it cuts them off.
I love Pastor Veith. I watch all of his videos. However, I have never agreed with his views on the independent ministries because I have followed several of them since 2010 or more because I was merely dying in the conference church I was attending. Now I consistently attend Saved to Serve Prophesy Again and is consistently each week fed living bread from the word of God to enrich our relationship with God, feed our spirituality, increase our faith equipping and preparing us for the crises and time of trouble ahead. Jesus had an independent ministry Himself. He didn’t belong to the church of His day. In fact, the church is the one who had Him crucified. If those still sitting in those dead conference churches don’t wake up and choose to continue to be lulled to sleep by those sleeping pastors preaching to sleeping members they’re all going to be lost. The conference isn’t the church anyway. The people are the church. God bless. I pray that you think about the majority of the comments made on your video and re-examine your views on the issue. 🙏🏼❤️
Thank you my brother for your courting clips, we are unique indeed because we don't preach about prosperity but truth about the living God in heaven who intends to change the world to an Eden - peace and loving Kingdom
The independent ministries that I am familiar with are doing the work God commissioned us to do......most mainstream Adventist churches are falling wayyyy short in spreading the "Truth". Many of our SDA churches have messages that sound just like Sunday keeping messages......
Great short clip, many people like myself received the 3 angels message through independent ministries. The church in the wilderness, the remnant have distinct characteristics, fruit which distinguish it.
Thank you for bringing such messages to our attention. May God bless all your endeavours and guide you always.
Wonderful message from the Preacher, ❤
If it wasn't God's will, He would not have allowed Independant Ministries to have thrived and flourished...Jesus Himself led by example, He was preparing and training His Disciples to take over from Him...He preached both within the Synagogues itself and without to the masses, Jesus had a personal connection and interacted with the crowds, they followed Him everywhere....John the Baptist was a practical Preacher, who never set foot in a Synagogue....Ellen G White's son ran an Independant Ministry which she fully supported......I SIMPLY SUPPORT AND LOVE INDEPENDANT MINISTRIES, because we get the undefiled, unadulterated word of God, a CLEAR THUS SAITH THE LORD.....
The present showing is sufficient to prove to all who have the true missionary spirit that the "regular lines" may prove a failure and a snare. God helping his people, the circle of kings who dared to take such great responsibilities shall never again exercise their unsanctified power in the so-called "regular lines". Too much power has been invested in unrevived, unreformed human agencies. Let not selfishness and covetousness be allowed to outline the work which must be done to fulfill the grand, noble commission which Christ has given to every disciple. He, our Lord and Master, has given us an example, in his life, of self-sacrifice, of the way in which we must work to advance the kingdom of God. {SpM 175.3}
“But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the
standard of all doctrines, and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the
deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and
discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority,-- not one or all of
these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting
any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord" in its support.” {GC88
595.1}
I don't find snatching wrong with it because wasn't Walter Veith apart of the Amazing World Discoveries platform it doesn't matter they are doing much better than what is going on in the SDA Church and the conferences. They preach the three angels message etc they open jy eyes in the 2/1/2 years than my 55 years in the SDA Church.
Most of the churches now stopped preaching prophecy which is cardinal for the times we are in now
I am not so concerned about independent ministries calling out the General Conference, as I am about the on line platforms of ex-Adventists who are constantly bashing the church and its message. This church and its message has more on line attacks against it, than any other denomination. I rarely see any of this church’s ministries defending their doctrines against these attacks.
To be expected. It's the tares. We are to win souls not fight amongst ourselves. 🙋♀️🦘🐨
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I am involved in a church plant. My local church family is great but their politics are not aligned with Gods will. Knowing this I don’t want the support of my local church because that comes with their politics.
Our church plant supports itself and follows the beliefs of the SDA church without the corrupt political stance.
Brother Lawrence you have mentioned some of the Independence Ministries that are under the conference which is preaching the "Three Angels Message", this is perfectly correct in accordance to sister White writings. But there is one particular ministry AWM in your video insert that is Not under the conference who tears down other independent Ministries and the Seventh Day Adventist Church frequently, Ellen G White warned against this behaviour and there are not doing God's work. Jesus is coming for one body, one fold of one mind. Let us pray for one another and lift up the most high, JESUS our Lord and saviour. God bless you all!
Ancient Isteal fail God over and over again
In the old testament God asked what more can I do for my vineyard, Jesus came and asked the same question
You should attach the link to the original videos too please
Independent Ministries are not messing things up. We need them. How would you feel if you had only one youtube channel to get your information from? Independent ministries are not the church and should be seperated. Many conferences and independent ministries are run by people who are not in agreement with the bible. If it wasnt for ministries like Clash of Minds, Amazing Discoveries, Amazing facts, White Horse Media and many many more we would not have the opportunity to make our own decisions. I suppose there are some "pain in the neck: ministries as Prof Veith said but there are some pain in the neck conference leaders too.
Together we stand we are one body of christ. Christ is the head we are the branches and the vine. There should be no fragmentation.
There is no fragmentation amonst those united in the Word of God. Jesus rebukes the apostles for forbidding a man from continuing to cast out devils in Christ name, just because the man wouldnt join the apostles church organization.
Jesus said, "Forbid him not, for if he is not against us, he is with us."
I think true division and fragmentation happens when one organization claims to be the only Holy one and calls it a sin to give our tithe to other organizations who bare more fruit.
Like all the independent SDA organizations that have been baring all the fruit. And now so many SDA leaders want to condemn it? Forbid it? Dont give tithe to anyone else? Jesus Himself rebukes this teaching. For it is the cause of division amongst Gods people.
Thank you for the video. In contrast to some comments, I would like to clarify that the majority of SDAs preach the three angel's messages as do many independent ministries. Of course there are many churches, conferences and unions that preach a watered down gospel. But the majority and our leadership of the world church stands clearly and unambiguously on the Bible, on Ellen G White and on the proclamation of the three angel's messages, the message for our time.
If it wasn't for an independent.
Ministry I would not have known the truth.
Those Independant Ministries who still preach the 3 Angels Messages, PLAN OF Salvation. Investigative Judgment, undiluted messages, are still keeping the what Adventist stand for alive..YES, I SUPPORT THESE MINISTRIES!.
Unity bring to victory 🙏 connect to church because the head of church is God....❤
Walter Veith has the Biblical balance on this issue!! I have met some brethren that sound like the accuser of their fellow brethren, and they need to be daily washed in tge powerful blood of Jesus , our great High Priest !!
The problem is that, some conferences go ahead to attack the independent ministries that they hate the church
Thank you for his video
Hi 👋 Brother Lawrence 👍😀
Thank you❣️💝
I will listen after this session of Stephen Bohr’s series “His Way Is In The Sanctuary” I’m on #7 thus far, there are 32 all together❣️❣️❣️
💕 Excellent seminar’s💞
Amen! Love him!
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Let's pray for Pr. Bohr to start keeping the 7th day Sabbath soon.
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🤷🏻♀️ what’s with the untruthful comment🤦♀️
Fact: ⤵️
Pastor Bohr was born keeping the Sabbath, as taught through Scripture by His parents. ☝️
@@MSB780Mary Burge, I forgive you, because you don't know the facts. I've pleaded with Secrets Unsealed to refrain from breaking the Sabbath when they go to Tenaya Lodge for their campmeetings every year, so they had a staff meeting where they discussed this, and sent me a reply stating that since they were giving out Great Controversy and other books to the servers, that they were doing the Lord's work, so it's OK.
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Won't you join me in calling on them to repent today?
Independent ministries, remember this: God chooses the meek lowly and seemingly foolish to His great work! If you feel weak just remember this and know that God is choosing YOU to complete the final work on earth!
I fully understand what Prof Vieth says, but rather than attack the independents. Should he not wholly condemn conferences & pastors who drove them to to have to worship seperate? Another thought is, are you aware how EG White gave her tithe to Independent ministry, "Madison farm school", AND was duly made an honourable member on the board of directors?!
No! She NEVER gave her tithe to Madison. She gave gifts and offerings. That is completely separate from tithe.
Scariest words anyone can hear.: depart from me I never knew you. It’s really sad is people will type out 6 pages of dialogue and quotes from Ellen White and not single word about Jesus! Because they really do not know Him. Ellen ain’t gonna stand up for anyone when you kneel before the Lord. Get to know Jesus! He can offer Salvation. Throw whites books in the garbage. You only need God’s Word. Nothing else
If they dont separate what do they do when the confetence told them not to preach the end time message? Also they sit quietly and listen to lGBT pastors preaching that LGBT is not wrong?
God calls for a revival and a reformation. The "regular lines" have not done the work which God desires to see accomplished. Let revival reformation make constant changes. Something has been done in this line, but let not the work stop here. No! Let every yoke be broken. Let men awaken to the realization that they have an individual responsibility. {SpM 175.2}
For a whole lot of us it's about the distinctive truths which make us SDA being compromised or given up. And even more, the teachings that prepare us for Heaven, especially the Sanctuary Message, that teach us that we must be sanctified or holy to enter heaven. It is the true teaching of the state of humans in death that safeguards us from spiritualism and deceptions of all kinds in these evil days. It's the health/temperance message that gives us clear minds and the power of control over bodily temptations. I could go on.
Who receives the tithe is not as important to me. I support any entity that is faithful to true SDA Bible beliefs and proclaiming the TRUE gospel. If we will be one we must be one on the basis of truth. See John 17:17
Good day brothers and sisters! I am the administrator of PRESENT TRUTH - revival and reformation. This is an online Facebook SDA independent self supporting ministry. I am a member of an SDA Church in Zimbabwe in the Southern Africa Indian Ocean Division. In the comments below I realise that there are some points we agree on as well as other points where we differ. My advice is that let us support our points with Bible verses as well as Spirit of prophecy quotations and this will greatly unite us more than our various opinions (Isaiah 8:20). I will be back soon to post a comment with relevant support quotes and verses on why it is wrong to call people out of the main SDA Church whose headquarters is the General Conference of SDAs.
The independent ministries are not under the GC umbrella but they are still Seventh Day Adventists. At th end of the time it is going to be just 2 groups those who keep the Sabbath and those who dont.
Thanks for presenting this to us, I am trying to work on an idea designed to help us pull together these ministries, which would also bring aid to sectors of ministry like, worldwide ministries, group ministries, and personal ministries (one of which I think is vital and strongly linked to spiritual gifts.)
The project I am working on is called 'My Ministrees' (Yes, the the word "tree" is there), The goal in mind is to try and work with independent and non-independent ministries in order that way we can pull together resources, distribute resources, and create a more effective global ministry effort.
However, this is a daunting task, for multiple reasons:
1) It takes time
2) Different ministries, companies, and churches have different views, policies, and programs in place, which for obvious reasons, complicates things.
3) I haven't met anyone to help me... and I have both inexperience and few resources to help. Also, I'm in high school, so...
Pray for me, and this effort...
@davidinchcliff4560 it's God's church nevertheless and God doesn't have two churches, only one. So, where do you meet? In ministries where there are no tares, only wheat. The devil is truly a liar.
@@davidinchcliff4560Where does she say that? Jesus continued going to the Synagogue until He could go no more. Ellen White said we are never to call the SDA Church Babylon.
@@davidinchcliff4560 Send me those quotes... because that is not the case...
The goal of your ministry sounds similar to what ASI does. They have the resources and people that if the Lord blesses you could find support.
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Is she not correct though?
If we do not follow God, will not God forsake us, like the many times he did to the children of Israel when the fell into apostasy?
Truly, unless we do cleanse ourselves and the church, this will happen… Hod then would forsake us, and set up a new path to complete the work He gave us…
God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.” Where Christ is, even among the humble few, this is Christ’s church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city, [or] enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles’ of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God’s great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. 17MR 81.4
Wonderful! This to me is the Revival prophesied! It will Snowball I believe, into the Latter Rain!
I write thus fully, because I have been shown that ministers and people are tempted more and
more to trust in finite man for wisdom, and to make flesh their arm. To conference presidents, and
men in responsible places, I bear this message: Break the bands and fetters that have been placed
upon God's people. To you the word is spoken, "Break every yoke." Unless you cease the work of
making man amenable to man, unless you become humble in heart, and yourselves learn the way of
the Lord as little children, the Lord will divorce you from His work. We are to treat one another as
brethren, as fellow laborers, as men and women who are, with us, seeking for light and understanding of the way of the Lord, and who are jealous for His glory. {TM 480.3}
There is only one conference church that; I know of sharing the truth, and that is State Line Church in Alabama. Dr. O is the pastor. The independent churches that he speaks of share the truth, and; I will continue to watch them. To many conference churches look like Sunday churches in music, dress, etc. We need to be told the truth. The shaking is soon to come.
This is an interesting video, with interesting threads.
I wonder why these various arms of the SDA Church are called “Independent Ministries”?
Is it because they do not rely on the GC for money? That just makes them independently funded, doesn’t it? Surely they are still an ‘ARM’ of the church? Part of the body?
I’m sure that Many SDA’s ‘attend’ these sites for research, education, worship and outreach purposes. I certainly do. Bro Lawrence mentioned a few (not all) of the Independents and some of them - like Amazing Facts are doing an amazing outreach work that certainly complements what our churches under the GC umbrella are doing.
Additionally, they are making many resources freely available - for those of us as church members, who purchase books from our church bookstores, know how expensive they can be. For non-Christians, who are curious and searching, having access to free resources is potentially lifesaving.
I actually see these ministries as fulfilling the “Go into all the world” aspect of the Great Commission that we, as local churches cannot do! Our focus should be (& is in many cases), in our local communities and neighbourhoods. (As individuals, our neighbourhoods may not be where our churches are located. They are still our mission field).
There is room for all of us!
Not one of the Independents that I frequent, have their own message (oh except perhaps “Come and Reason”, who lead on Design Law), they all teach from our SS Lesson Quarterly, they all quote from EGW, they all observe the Sabbath and very many of them ARE connected with the GC in terms of working relationships (It Is Written, Hope Channel, Hope Lives 365, 3ABN, Amazing Facts etc).
I’m not saying that there may not be charlatans out there, but if there are, are they not known to the GC?
As for Tithes and Offerings. Tithes are for the full time church workers, aren’t they? So, the tithes that are collected by these independents can rightly be kept in house as long as they are used to pay the Gospel Workers. The offerings are for building maintenance, tools, research and outreach funds. They are not a drain on the GC coffers and God is blessing them.
Our sole concern should be about if they are not representing Adventism. I just watched a series called “What is Adventism” presented by a group of Associate SDA Pastors on their vlogs “Seeking What They Sought”. It is interesting that, of all of the Pastors that they interviewed (& Church Leaders), there was no 1 clear definition and no one person that you totally disagreed with!
We are a church in turmoil, yes, but we are still God’s true church. So I guess that we should stop pointing fingers at every ministry and get on with doing our part to help hasten the return of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
We don’t and won’t agree on everything. We are responsible for what WE are doing for The Lord, and whilst these vlogs are interesting, they can sometimes be distracting.
Tithe is only meant to pay a salary to officially ordained ministers who are serving as employees. You can’t just go out and appoint yourself and then ask members of the church to give you tithe and bypass the rules and authority that God has invested into the leadership of the BODY (the organization).
@@sidstekapitel6335 I’m not really sure that I understand what you are saying. A blanket statement about appointing yourself as a leader and getting the congregation to support you, is so far from what I was addressing and also from the tone of this video.
I’ve just finished reading the book of Numbers. The Tithes and Offerings were not just for the High Priest and Priests (the sons of Aaron), they were for the entire Tribe of Levi. Their responsibilities were for the maintenance and upkeep of the Sanctuary, performing all of the duties/work in and around the Sanctuary to support the various offices that took place in the entire area.
They did not have separate professions/livelihoods. The Lord said that He was their inheritance. The other 12 Tribes (yes 12, because of Joseph’s 2 sons), supported the Levites, everything that was offered to The Lord, was also shared with, not just the Priests and their families, but with the entire Levitical Tribe, including their families!
Therefore it follows that, if these ‘Independent’ groups are doing effective outreach for The Lord, they are, in effect, a Levitical Tribe. Anything (Tithe or Offerings or Freewill Offerings - donations of cash, goods or services), is there for the use of the people who are employed there, providing a service. Even if it’s as meek as keeping the place clean, or as lofty as preaching, teaching and baptising. The money is there to be used to help that ministry function.
They will be accountable as to how it’s used. Accountable ultimately to The Lord our God.
I work with an independent ministry and we, like many others, are tied at the hip with the church theologically. In fact, I think the only reason (or at least main one) that we are separate from the church is for legal and liability reasons. But we do all we can to support the church and work very closely with the church.
I know of one independent ministry that is opposing the church at every step. Even calling the church "Babylon". So I guess they can cut either way. Seems like most are positive though.
Aah! I didn’t think about the Legality aspect. Governments are truly hampering and not helping!
I agree with you, I certainly have seen over the past 4 years (or more), that many of our popular Independent Ministries who teach online SabbSch Classes are linked to the GC publication of the SS Lesson Quarterly.
In my opinion, they’re not Independent Ministries - they’re teaching the same message - they’re independently funded outreach departments.
They have certainly taken the message further in the past 10 years than the GC could have done on its own (and because of that, when Covid-19 hit, we were among the very few church denominations who already had a visible online profile to reach the world)!
God bless our Independents! I’ve been using their links to spread the word since 2020. 🙏🏾
Whether GC or Independent / Self Support...The light of HIs love / truth, avoids divisions n disunity: for GOD's ONE TRUTH alone, saves, when humbly obeyed lived n proclaimed, in Jesus!!!
Be not deceived by Lawrence. Lawrence himself had not both dress and health reforms. And not just these, but he is naive or rebellion.
Amazing Discoveries, Amazing Facts, Secrets Unsealed, etc, are all of the devil. They are not White Sepulchres, as said Paul, but Red Sepulchres.
Also, be aware because some of the [Present Truth] ministers are fornicators.
Let not Lawrence the naive or rebellion be your guide, but rather let the KJV Bible and Spirit of Prophecy along with the Holy Spirit be your guide.
God has a church. What is the church? Is it a corporate organisation? Is it a building?
*The ship that will sail through: God's church.*
Said Christ to His disciples, "Ye are the light of the world."
God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; *it is the people who love God and keep His commandments.*
"Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." Where Christ is, even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city, or enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon.
His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles' of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God.
~ Manuscript Releases Volume 17 page 81.
17MR 81.3 - 17MR 81.4
What about save to serve the r good too brother deaveny
Saved to serve is my Church, I have learned so much about God's Holy Bible. I am so thankful that God led me to that Church on the internet, but I do think it's important to still worship in person. God's blessings and love to all
Messengers of Present Truth does not allow for feedback. I wonder what they are afraid of. Devaney has some great messages, but he needs to remember he is not only preaching to South Africans, or maybe that is the audience he wants to minister to. I hate how he rolls his "R's" on purpose. It gets on my nerves sometimes. Devaney uses Sister White's writings and Spirit of Prophecy. He is definitely a Present-Truth minister of the Gospel. That lady who sings at the end is simply amazing.
I thank God for some of the independent ministries cause they worship God in spirit and truth. Am an SDA ever since I was born, going to church every sabbath since my childhood but I was not satisfied and one of these ministries converted me because of how they teach, the spirit of prophecy is so regarded under these ministries as compared to the dependant one which only rely on the quarteries which despite the teachings of Ellen White
If it weren’t for God using Saved to Serve/Prophecy Again, I would not have come to a knowledge of the truth and developed a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.
I grew up in Adventism and have not heard the truths presented by independent/self-supporting ministries in the Conference churches.
I’ve heard a pastor just straight up say he wouldn’t be preaching about those things such as health and dress reform.
The average leader of a self-supporting ministry did not just up and leave the physical church building; they noticed errors taking place that leadership refused to check after it was brought to their attention and were slowly ostracised until it made no sense to remain in that church’s congregation.
Many of the prophets addressed Israel’s sins in their writings…many things the SDA church is/is not doing is public information via its online presence; it’s not “airing dirty laundry” if it’s already public.
To say these independent ministries are not Adventist when they’re preaching the things we as SDA believe is absurd.
My mom left Jamaica and has no intention to return to live, but she speaks like a Jamaican, cooks the same food, has the same mannerisms, as other Jamaicans…to say she is not Jamaican because she doesn’t live there would be foolish, as is the notion that persons must be directly connected with the Conference to consider themselves an SDA.
The General Conference will bow to the dictates of Rome when the Sunday Law is enforced as it did when the pandemic and its subsequent vaccine mandates were enforced; the GC can and will not save us, it is accepting Jesus as our Lord and Saviour.
Perilous times are upon us and the average Conference church is not talking about country living, righteousness by faith, health, music, and dress reform, etc. in a way that is practical and preparatory.
Many independent ministries are doing a marvellous work.
The church only preached what the general conference told them which is 🍼 milk and tell stories to the members we're at the end of time we need solid spiritual food to nourish our souls. Praise God for independent ministries and hallelujah ❤
AMAZING FACTS started a LONG time ago and is still going
We are coming to point in time where the independent ministries must start to adjoin themselves to the greater body. We must come together as we are coming to the home stretch of Earth’s final events and work diligently with the proclamation of the Three Angels Messages. Let those who are independent see there is a greater call to duty to serve in concert with the body and place all efforts towards unity. Yet that does not negate the need for correction especially in matters of Biblical doctrine.
Church(System) is not Babylon, people who claim to be members are lukewarm because are attached to the world. As long as we do what the world does we cannot able to preach three angels messages. So most of independent ministries are attacked within the church as they try to open the eyes of spiritual blind Laodicean church.
Sure,independent ministries are very important and are doing an amazing job.
We can't say all of them are not good but as the professor just said,don't separate from the church .so the bad ones have separated from the church and they are known,yes we need these ministries in the church because all of us being human there are many wrong things going on in the church but it isn't the the reason to leave God's church ,the truth is still within the church and there is only one haven to go to.
There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where
they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety
which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian.
{12MR 333.1}
Are we being saved as individuals or as an institution, if is the conference is going in a direction that seem contray to the word of God, then why should we be partakers in their action. Are bad mouthing the independent, ministries let us work on our salvation with fear and trembling
The SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST from General conference left the three angels message long time ago they preach about taiths and offerings,most of pastors in our current church pastors are neither called nor inspired they are here for salary,we need as more private organization as possible to help us understand our origin spiritually.
Please do not forget about the Final Days ministry within the SDA Church. This ministry is spreading the 3 angels messages through the video Final Days created by the Holy Spirit, through Dustin Pestlin and Westley Wilbanks.
I believe that the GC is like a train that is able to carry many but is restricted by its track's and scheduled stops, independent ministries [that keep the commandments of God and have the Testimony of Jesus] are like buses,trucks, 4wd etc, that can travel the highways and byways to reach those who need to hear the truth. All are going in the same direction with the same purpose. If we truly understand this,you'll find that we are one in Christ.