This why the author of the books on Game of Thrones R R Martin is a genius and took so long to write the books because he wrote the books like histories and in such detail and made them so compelling you could make 40 different shows for the next 100 years about parts of his books. R R Martin wrote the books because he became disillusioned with how formulaic TV writing was so wrote the Game Of Thrones books thinking it would be impossible to make into a film or show because it was too dark and it took 30 years because the first books were written in the 1990s
House Velaryon is from Valyria an are Valyrian's same as the Targaryen's. You keep calling the house Velaryon as Valyrian, but that's not how its pronounced. Anyway love the channel keep it up! ☺
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Hey guys! Some help with something you guys seem to be confusing (for good reason) *House Velaryon* , the house in HOTD that Corlys, Princess Rhaenys, Laenor, and Laena belong to…is from *Valyria* the Empire that was destroyed by The Doom. The sound the same spoken *Valyria/Valyrian* and *Velaryon* but one is a place/culture, and one is a house/family. - *House Velaryon’s* were ‘sea fairing’ *Valyrians* who also escaped *The Doom of Valyria* … *separate* from *House Targaryen*. - *House Velaryon* never actually had dragons, until they intermarried with *House Targaryen* , even though they are *Valyrian* too. (Because they preferred the sea too dragon riding, even before *Valyria* was destroyed in The Doom) *House Targaryen* is also from Valyria. - *House Targaryen* was the *only Valyrian family* that escaped the doom *with dragons* . There is another *Valyrian* house in Westeros (in the books), however. They, like House Velaryon, also did not bring Dragons from *Valyria* , and so they are pretty inconsequential. *TLDR* *Valyria / Valyrian* = Place / culture of people from the (now destroyed) Valyrian Empire. Most Valyrians rode dragons. Not all. *House Velaryon* = (the house/family with Lord Corlys in HOTD) is a sea fairing, *dragon-less* family that *descends from Valyrians* *House Targaryen* = the only house/family *that descends from Valyria* in Westeros that *brought dragons from Valyria*
Maester Aemon is not Aerys brother - he is his grand uncle. His younger brother who became king was Aegon V., father of the next king Jaehaerys II. who in turn was the father of the Mad King Aerys II.
Aegon the Conqueror did not control 3 dragons. He rode/controlled only Balarion. His sister-wives/co-rulers rode/controlled the other 2. Visenya on Vhagar and Rhaenys on Meraxes.
Yeah the video even explained that, he was using the 3 dragons at the same time, he wasn’t controlling them, as his sisters were controlling the other 2, they are mis hearing what the video said
Yeah the lores say “aegon’s dragons” the way we’d say the Hightower/the green dragons, because they were at war and all three dragons were in Aegon the conqueror’s army per se. But they weren’t CONTROLLED by him. If either of his sister-wives commanded their dragons to burn Aegon, they would.
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Quick Valyria correction.. In Valyria there were lots of dragon lords, the Targaryens were one of them. House Velaryon is also native to Valyria but they were not dragon lords, they were masters of the seas.
@Giel S. Suar Yet you have spammed the same message in here 20 times. Keep doing it and you'll be blocked from the channel. You don't need to spam the same message 20 times on a video.
@Giel S. Suar Hey, please don't be rude. They always try to correct themselves whenever they're informed about things. Maybe they missed the comment regarding this. Also, GOT world is full of so much information. It's very easy to miss some things.
14:25 You're confusing "Velaryon", the name of a House, with Valyrian, referring to Old Valyria. House Velaryon was of Valyrian descent, but were a lesser House and didn't have their own dragons, as the Targaryens did.
There is a decent chance the Velaryons got their name from the Westerosi calling them Valyrians as they were kind of nobodies when they came to westeros. The Targaryans were a big house and conquered westeros so people learned their real name but if the Velarions had no rich history it would be the most notable thing about them and could've become their house name.
@@jaredf6205 I think it might be yet another nod from him towards real medieval history. Just here in England we have a five Edwards in the medieval period, seven Henrys, three Richards, one of whose prominent fathers was also a Richard (Duke of York), In Scotland they had a whole heap of Malcolms and Alexanders and Jameses. Similar to how people who should have been important die too soon, changing everything, I think it's a conscious rejection of the usually clear cut line between history and fantasy literature.
@@Fieryxjoe Interestingly, the Targaryens were not a "big Valyrian House," but relatively minor dragonlords in comparison to the top families in Valyria. They just happened to be one of the few Valyrian houses to escape the Doom, due to Daenys the Dreamer's premonitions.
@@jaredf6205 George has said he deliberately chose to break that rule. Both with reusing names (multiple Roberts, Jons, Jeynes, Aegons, etc.) and similar sounding names. It's both to be more realistic and more accurate to history, and also probably because coming up with unique sounding names is just impossible when you literally have over a thousand characters.
The reason Viserys says that all the stories about his father are lies is because his mother Rhaella Targaryen shielded him from his father's madness. He didn't witness how crazy his father was. He only saw the good side of him.
1. The remains of the Arm of Dorne is what is now known as the Stepstones (HOtD) 2. Remember, the Dothraki referred to Jorah as Jorah The Andal 3. Old wives tales, or are they? We heard Old Nan tell some of these tales to Bran in episode 3 4. The Targaryens were a minor dragon family in Valyria. They escaped the Doom because Daenys The Dreamer (Daenys Targaryen), the famous dragon dreamer, dreamt of the Doom some 17 years before it happened. Her father, Aenar, moved the Targaryens to the little rocky island of Dragonstone, thousands of miles west of Valyria, in the Narrow Sea just east of the primitive continent of Westeros, before the great incident occurred in Valyria and destroyed most of the Freehold, together with all who lived there and their dragons 5. Robert Baratheon makes bitter jokes about the Targaryens, but he is a quarter Targaryen himself. His grandmother (ie his father's mother) was a straight up Targaryen princess, Princess Rhaelle Targaryen. And, anyway, House Baratheon is descended directly from the Orys Baratheon, Aegon's The Conqueror's half brother 6. You've met Illyn Payne. He is the king's justice. He removed Ned's head and cut out a tongue in S2E1 7. My view is that Robert Baratheon knew Cersei's three children were most likely not his but, just as with King Viserys in HOtD, he didn't dare face the truth and its implications
@@Aewon84 Yeah, he's a mormont, so he's from the north - but he is also a ser, what's untypical for the first men, because its a tradition of the andals
no way robert knew joffery and the kids werent his. he was way to proud and macho to tolerate being cuckolded. he simply was neglectful of his wife and children and never rly gave it a second thought and was primarily focused on his own desires. thats also why Ned didnt tell Robert because he knew Robert would have joffery and his siblings killed and Ned could never tolerate the murder of children so he kept the truth from robert
Another clarification - we have been introduced to three Maesters, each serving a different castle. Maester Luwin is the Maester of Winterfell, advising the Starks, who we hear from in these clips. I think you may have mixed him up with Maester Aemon, of the Night’s Watch, serving Castle Black - he’s the one who’s Targaryen. The last one we’ve been introduced to is Maester Pycelle who serves on the council at King’s Landing, advising the King.
In season 2 we'll meet more Maesters, but all in all the show just scratched the surface and unless you haven't read the books you'll never be fully aware of what exactly this big and complex organization is and which are they many, many , many tasks
Yes, in addition to that, you must bear in mind that all maesters come from noble families. They are supposed to give up lands and titles let go of their family ties and regional loyalties but it might still get into the way at times. Just like members of the Night’s Watch or the Kingsguard. I personally always wonder where they come from (we do not always know). Also, maesters are attached to castles, not houses, even though they might get attached to the family they serve.
And Pycelle is faking the doddery old man role. That's what the scene with him flexing and stretching after the Lady of Negotiable Affections leaves his rooms is meant to convey. Pycelle is a snake. There is a deleted scene where Tywin Lannister actually confronts Pycelle, telling him he's not fooled by his act one bit, after which Pycelle drops it and stands up straight and speaks without stuttering and faffing about. As guards can be clearly seen in the background who would surely have gossiped, the scene is rendered silly and it's probably just as well they dropped it.
Also, I had the impression that they thought Varys was a maester. He is not, just simply Master of Whispers (basically master of information) on the small council
@@hannabelesti9646 oh right i'm thinking in terms of dany then. i do know the show kinda removed Aegon's son Jaehaerys II while Aemon was explaining his lineage.
@@iammine8117 Yeah, in both the book and the show Aemon is Aegon's brother, but they didn't want to have Aemon be like 104 years old in the show so they made Jaehaerys and Aerys brothers. He's talking about Rhaenys and Aegon being killed by The Mountain, his great nephew and niece (great-great nephew and niece in the book). I actually prefer this change, it makes Daenerys the third child of the second son of the fourth son of the fourth son.
I’m loving the Game of Thrones videos guys. I like how you’re very observant and try to not miss anything. One thing I can’t stand about some other channels is how they talk over the episode and miss everything, then moan about things not making sense. Keep it up guys! Love from the UK🇬🇧
Yes! Even after streamlining the story from the books, the show - particularly early on - is so densely packed with information it’s hard to ‘casually’ watch.
@@mcz420 they’re far more switched on and actually interested than the vast majority of reaction channels on here. Plus they’re only 1 season into GoT and HoTD. Can’t expect them to know that much when they’re still only new to the GoT universe
The lore is so rich and captivating! Not sure if you caught that but when they talk about house Casterly and Casterly Rock, it says that apparently, their lands and power were swindled from them by a lengedary trickster called Lann the Clever, from whom the house Lannister is said to be descending from. Meaning that everything house Lannister owns, their power, money and influence likely started and flourished thanks to treachery and plotting, which seems pretty fitting.
@@Weeby_historian i mean aside from being a really bad dad, tywin isnt really that bad. He did some fucked up shit forsure, but it was all for his family
@@Weeby_historian Just saying it's a noteworthy detail that wasn't inserted here randomly. When you learn the current wealthiest and one of the most influencial House in the realm comes from descend from a trickster that may have conned his way into power, it makes you think.
Ned had a conversation with Jamie, about stabbing the mad King in the back. Jamie says " would you appreciate it more if I stabbed him in the belly instead of the back" in which Ned replies " You served him well, when serving was safe" Implying that he feels that Jamie could have stopped the mad king way earlier, probably before his father and brother got brutally murdered.
That was basically his point from neds perspective if Jaime killing areys was truly righteous he would have killed him a long time ago but instead he only killed him once shit went south looking like he just did it to save himself and working with his father .
Jaime killed mad king not for saving the innocent people of kinglading, If you got enough brain and read books you will understand why he killed mad king , At that time Jaime was a same as his father and sister, he never thought about innocent at time , when mad king said 'brun the city' Jaime knew more than 10 thousands Lannister army in the city, And remember " those army entered in kingslading few days ago and keep looting and killing innocent people from few days" and when mad king saw that he said burn them all, at this point Jaime thought about his Lannister his father and himself so he did it for save the Lannister and later got credit for saving all innocent, where Jaime was never a thought full person in that time only one person listened it was cersei book clearly pointed that she was his one kind of personal God at that time, And people still say he saved millions but never understand what he was back then
to me it's just hypocritical because when brandon and rickard were killed he shames jaime for standing by but when jaime's own father becomes the enemy of the crown and aerys is even more mad then at the start he gets shamed for killing the mad king even though if he didn't it would've meant having to fight his own family for a complete psychopath. ned is a good man but not perfect and this is just straight up hypocrisy.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk I don't know about it be hypocritical from Ned, its just a different perspective. Ned just sees Jamie's timing of doing it convenient, He probably feels that Jamie should have done it before, since the Mad king was doing crazy things for years. For Jamie the Mad King calling to burn down king's landing and kill everyone was the last straw, as he was pondering duty over morality. Not to mention that Tywin also switched sides last minute not helping the cause for Jamie in the eyes of Ned.
I’m so proud of you two for taking the time to watch the history/lore and really soak in the information. It makes watching your reactions and commentary to the episodes even more interesting and fun because you’re well informed (outside of the books) and invested. Also big shout out to the moderators for the managing the spoilers in the comments! 👍🏾
Targaryen and Velarion are both from old Valyria. Two seperate houses just like Stark and Tyrell are different houses. The name Velarion just sounds similar to Valyria but when written clearly different.
Eve Best, who plays Rhaenys, was so frustrated that even several of her fellow actors and people in the crew needed to be told this over and over again.
@Giel S. Suar They do read the comments after we check them for spoilers, but there are several hundreds of comments per video, and they are sometimes days apart. They then fit this into their daily lives with full time jobs, and many people, even GoT fans, have gotten Valyrian and Velaryon confused and the like. They were watching 2 shows at once with tons of lore dumped on them. Nothing fake about it, and not idiotic that they don't live and breathe every factoid about the show in a span of a short time. I'm not sure why you are subjecting yourself to this if it's making you this upset.
@Giel S. Suar You need to stop spamming insults numerous times at the reactors in a single video discussion. Free speech and opinion, even negative ones towards the reactors is allowed here but you are asking for further action to be taken if you are going to be spamming.
Ned's honor was his greatest strength, and his greatest weakness. He was noble, but he passed many opportunities to protect his family from what happens at the end of season 1.
That is not entirely true. Ned was willing to pay off the Gold Cloaks, which is not entirely an honourable move. He just trusted the wrong person, Littlefinger, to make the deal on his behalf. His plan could have worked out perfectly well if he was supported by the Gold Cloaks.
I love the whole idea that the greatest threat to an honorable man is love. It was Ned's love for Sansa that made him betray himself and his honor. It was only to protect Sansa (not to save himself) that Ned acknowledged Joffrey as "the one true heir" (in front of the citizens of King's Landing). Can you imagine if Ned held true to his honor and did the opposite and in his final moments yelled out to the people the truth of Joffrey being a bastard? What would've happened? But his love for Sansa made him betray the truth. He was such a complicated, incredible man.
@@BostonAmy probably would just speed up smallfolk discontent, maaaaybe save neds life but even that is doubtful. It wasn't terribly long after this Stannis sent all those ravens claiming the same.
Some cute lil fun facts about Rhaegar Targaryen is that while he was a skilled swordsmen, he loved nothing more than music and to sing. He would sing to the common people of King's Landing and any money thrown at him was given to orphanages. Before a tournament when all the houses were feasting Rhaegar sang a song that brought Lyanna to tears and the next day after winning a tournament he ignored his own wife and named Lyanna The Queen Of Love And Beauty
also Ned’s one hangup that he can never excuse or condone is the murder of children. under any circumstances, thats why he was so mad about what the Lannisters did to Rhaegar’s and Elia’s children and why he was so upset w Robert for protecting them. Thats why he resigned as hand after Robert puts out a hit on Danaerys (shes 13 in the books at the time). Thats why he lied and ‘confessed’ his ‘treason’ to protect Sansa and Arya at his execution. Its also why he didnt tell Robert on his deathbed that joffery and the other kids werent his because he knew Robert would order their execution and instead gave Cersei an option to save themselves. Ned’s definitely the most honorable guy we see, but even he will forsake his honor to defend the lives of children.
Ned 100% disapproved of Jaime killing Aerys, specifically because Jaime was a sworn brother of the Kingsguard. The very first episode begins by showing us Ned's attitude toward oathbreakers.
Quick dragons corrections, Aegon the Conqueror didn't possess 3 dragons, only one and it was Balerion the black dread, the other two belonged to his two sister-wives, Rhaenys rode Meraxes, and Visenya rode Vhagar.
@@Blankblank-y1n he probably is. But here's something the theory crafters probably haven't thought of before... Perhaps time travelling Bran IS Tyrek the horse, by warging into it!
the great thing about these lore videos is that you get several different (and HIGHLY biased) perspectives of the same events. they aren't cut and dry retellings of historical events. each narrator in their own way is unreliable, and keeps you wondering as to what REALLY happened
1:05:20 What King Robert likes to forget is that not only was his ancient ancestor potentially a half Targaryen, is that over the years many a Targaryen and Baratheon married over the years. Remember Princess Rhaeynes in "House of the Dragon", the Queen Who Never Was....she was half Baratheon, and in the books had Hair of Black; it was changed for the show for sake of the drama. Robert Baratheon's great-grandmother was Targaryen, but seems to always forget that fact.
I love how this histories & lores is done through individual characters, so the viewer can be aware of propaganda influencing each retelling. A wonderful experience.
Ned wasn't just brought down by his honour. He understood that politics at Kings Landing could be dirty. He was willing to pay off the Gold Cloaks to support his claim, that is not the honourable choice. His mistake was that he trusted the wrong person, Littlefinger, to pay off the Gold Cloaks. If the Gold Cloaks had supported him, his plan would have worked out perfectly well. It was also a mistake from Catelyn to take Tyrion as her prisoner, it forced Jaime's and Tywin's hand. It is always interesting that people don't seem to understand this. Ned was actually willing to leave some his honour behind. Another mistake was in warning Cersei beforehand. But from the History and Lore, you can understand the decision. He did not want to see her children being murdered like Princess Elia and her two children was murdered during the sack of Kings Landing.
Spartan makes a great point about history being a matter of assembled perspectives- from either side Targs are glorified or violently chaotic. The truth is a combination, but the perspectives tell us about the characters and their worldviews. (Pudgey observant & thoughtful, as always). You compliment each other well & never worry about rating your own reaction- it is the genuine engagement which makes both of you nice to share this world with.
You've earned another subscriber here for taking on the lore of this amazing world. It is a lot to take on. Also if you miss anything be assured the fans will help you out in the comments.
what you said is true, everything Viserys knew about house Targaryen and westeros was his point of view and what other people would say to him. he would always view the starks, Lannisters and Baratheons as monsters and usurpers, since they "made" the hell of his life. Viserys was 5 when he flee to essos and had to take care of baby Daenerys (who didn't know what was happening), a child taking care of a child. they lived as beggers, starving and running from assassins (sent by Robert). "My mother died giving me birth, and my father and my brother Rhaegar even before that. I would never have known so much as their names if Viserys had not been there to tell me. He was the only one left. The only one. He is all I have. -Daenerys Targaryen "When Viserys sold their mother's crown, the last joy had gone from him, leaving only rage." - Daenerys
Wow! Thanks for reacting to this one! It was an undertaking for sure, but very informative and interesting! I’d never watched it before as a GoT fan and it just feels right that you keep coming up with new ways for me to look at this series!
I have to say I love your reactions to GoT. It's quite an unique perspective to have started with HotD and your reactions are probably the most genuine I've seen on a reaction channel. Seeing Spartan in utter denial over episode 9 and Pudgey die on the inside over the same scene brought back such nostalgic memories from when I watched it. It's almost like showing my kids something cool from 'back in my day', and I don't even have kids lmao
You speak how you loved the different perspectives on these inserts. The Song of ice and fire, the books that the game of thrones tv-show is based on, is all written in that way. Every chapter is on some character's perspective, and the reader only sees what that character sees, and know only what that character knows. That makes it interesting to read, when you can't be completely sure you know everything what is happening behind the scenes. And it is interesting to read from someones perspective for the first time that you had previously only saw form the other characters viewpoints.
It sucks that they didn’t say that Aerys became mad after he was captured by House Darklin for 3 months and Ser Barristan had to sneak in and save him himself
my favourite part about these videos is the attitude and personality the narrators give to the different stories, if history class was taught like that every kid would be into history
Aegon did not control all 3 of the dragons, he only controlled Balerion The Black Dread the other 2 (Vhagar and Meraxes) were ridden by his 2 sister wives Visenya and Rhaenys.
The “Almost every Targaryen went mad” is a myth. We are looking at someone who has a negative bias against the Targaryens (Robert) out of all 16 Targaryens there were abt three rly crazy ones
Hey Spartan, I think you're getting confused between Valyria, the region and house Velaryon, who, like House Targaryen, also originate from the region of Valyria. House Targaryens were dragon riders while house Velaryon are seafarers. Also, Aegon the conquerer didn't control all 3 dragons, his sister wives rode the other two, Visenya on Vhagar and Rhaenys on Meraxes
You're gonna hear a lot about Targaryen madness and even a quote saying "half of them went mad" but in truth only 6 Targaryens ever went crazy and only 2 of them were really born that way the other 4 we're just extremely traumatized. They just went so crazy that it gave the family a bad reputation for it.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 I don't really think its the show, its more in-universe common belief. Like basically everyone believes it even if it's not true.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 That's not what I'm arguing, I'm arguing that the show makes it appear that that is true, as an in-universe belief, the show itself takes no stance on Targaryen madness. The common people however believe Targaryen madness is common, so it is demonstrating this through the phrases and references. I agree, we have what 4 Targaryens who demonstrated some form of innate instability. But those 4 are in incredibly high positions and have a large impact on the realm, thus it lead to a widespread idea among the populace that Targaryens are insane, even if it's incorrect.
I didn’t know these existed! Thanks for watching them. They give you more info and I get a refresh since I haven’t watched the show or read the books in years 😂😂
Oh wow, I did not expect that you will react to the Lore videos, this is great stuff! You will absolutely loove these and they will help you understand and discover many more things about this fascinating world, which will create a better understanding or GOT and HOTD events. Each season of GOT has one History and Lore video and I hope they continue to do these for HOTD too.
Maester Aemon was not Aerys' brother, but his great-uncle (yes, he is that old). He had already become a maester until there was a succession crisis, and he was asked to renounce his maester vows and become the king. He refused, so his much younger brother Aegon V became king. Robert knows about Maester Aemon (another point is that Robert's own grandmother was Princess Rhaelle Targaryen, Aegon V's daughter, and Maester Aemon's niece), but Aemon is really old, plus his maester and Night's Watch vows prevent him from interfering in politics or holding titles, so Robert did not consider him a threat of any sort.
@@boti7289 A descendant (can't say of whom, because that would be a spoiler for who survives/wins), but he's a direct descendant several generations down the line.
I'm so happy you guys are watching the history and lore videos! It feels like an overload of info while watching for the first time, but you'll definitely feel more familiar with the world as you continue on through the series having watched the lore :D Looking forward to season 2!
1:29:00 When Tywin reigned justice on the Raynes of Castomere, he was still Ser Tywin as his Lord Father was still alive. He thought his father was weak and simply took matters into his own hands.
This video is unexpected. I thought you'll go straight on watching s2 of GOT but damn, love the commitment. Excited to see your future reaction videos.
He's an interesting character, they almost all have good points and flaws, as everyone does. He's a good example of a great warrior who is a poor and lazy ruler. He was blinded to the objective reality by his infatuation with Lyanna Stark, etc etc. Very pertinent to today's divided politics imo. This particular video shows perfectly how historians are best placed to evaluate today's situation.
Fun fact in King Robert rant on dragon spawn. He is the grandson of a Targaryen. Funny how he seems to block that from his mind to explain away killing others that he shares blood with so as not to be labeled a kin slayer. Still love the way the actor delivers Robert lines. I too vote for a Robert Rebellion series!
Yes he is a king slayer. He and Rhaegar are cousins and share blood as Robert grandmother was a Targaryen. While there is a little distance in blood they are still close enough in bloodlines that by the Faith and even First Man eyes he killed kin. And give the Baratheon line began as bastard line to House Targaryen and has married multiple times makes it even more clear he is a slayer of kin. I think this is why most like tk paint Rhaegar as having ‘taken Leanna’ rather than the two going off in love. The Mad King many would excuse for NEEDING to die only by paint in Rhaegar as scum does it wash the sin of kin slaying away. I also feel that Ned is torn by Robert glee at Rheagar’s children killed and part of him starts to understand he allowed Robert to kin slay. Add that to his sister revealing more real details and that no doubt fuels Ned’s guilt.
@@jarredwilkinson4666 Rhaegar and Robert weren't first cousins. They were second cousins which dosent classify as kinslaying, If it did basically none of the great houses could kill eachother because they are so intermarried. Sharing blood is irrelevant, Orys is so far up the line it's irrelevant. And his grandmother only makes him a second cousin to Rhaegar. That's not kinslaying, kinslaying is usually a direct relative father brother uncle first cousin. Blood percentage dosent matter for kinslaying, only line relation matters. IE wherein an individual is located in the family line in relation to another. And even then kinslaying seems to only really be recognized within there own house. So even if by some miracle let's say Rhaegar is transformed into his first cousin. That's still irrelevant because Rhaegar is not a Baratheon. The reason Kinslaying is taboo is because it's betraying your family and your house, and taking advantage of the family. Rhaegar is not part of the family technically so it wouldn't be perceived as kinslaying. If Rhaegar was even a distant Baratheon relation meaning part of the house Baratheon IE, he is like a 5th cousin but he has the last name Baratheon that would be kinslaying. But he's not a Baratheon he's a Targaryen. Kinslaying is the slaying of individuals in your own house by members of your own house.
Here’s a book/show difference…. In the books, Maester Aemon is the great-uncle of the Mad King (Aegon V-Jahaerys II-Aerys II). In the show, likely to simplify the dialogue, they had Aemon call Aerys II his nephew, instead. You mentioned about if Robert knew this? Perhaps, very likely I imagine, but even so, Aemon is (was, for Robert’s sake) out of reach of authorities because he pledged himself to the Night’s Watch.
I am not sure that a deviation from the books necessarily, in the same way that a cousin doesn’t always mean a first cousin, it can mean all manner of different combinations like 1st cousin once removed or 3rd cousin twice removed or 3rd cousin once removed etc etc, the same is often done with aunts/uncles, nieces/nephews the generational determiner is omitted and you just call them uncle instead of great uncle or nephew instead of grand/great nephew
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Honestly, it's mindblowing that GRRM came up with all this lore on his own. Not only recent events but thousands of years in the past. What I really enjoy about his world that its a lot like a Tarantino movie. Side characters have so much depth, everybody has a personality and its own personal reason to the things they do.
I bet a lot of people said it already but: The Song of Ice and Fire (the books) are written in the same way. Each chapter comes from the perspective of a character...and the next chapter follows another one. Which made it so unique for me while reading. And it is still the best I have ever read. After you are done with the show you might wanna read the books as well and become one of the many who pray that the story will be finished before the creator leaves our world. :/
14:55 Valyria/Old Valyria was the capital city of the entire Valyrian Freehold. Its citizens were called Valyrians. Just like Westeros, there were prominent families/houses there. The Targaryens were one of the houses (and Velaryons, too!)
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Robert and Cersei joke that it was their marriage that held the Realm together after the Rebellion, but it was actually Jon Arryn serving as Hand. It is his death that sent the Realm into the tailspin that is A Game of Thrones.
Just so you know, there are several of these shorts that will spoil upcoming seasons of House of the Dragon, which covers an event called "The Dance of the Dragons." You might want to be careful watching these if you don't want to be spoiled. Edit: After some research, looks like it's included in the lore videos for the fifth season.
If I may intercept briefly. Gregor Clegane or The Mountain, was the person that Tywin ordered to murder Elia Martell (who he presumably r-worded) and her children during the Sack of King's Landing. I've noted Pudgey asking if that was The Hound. To clear this up, The Hound is actually Sandor Clegane, Gregor's brother. We see their interaction during jousting when The Hound (Sandor Clegane) stands up to his brother The Mountain (Gregor Clegane). It is said that The Mountain (Gregor) was the one to actually burn The Hound, his own brother. This speaks volumes of Gregor's character and easily allows us to believe his horrifying act of r-wording Elia.
Man I’ve never thought that I could watch an hour and a half of one video on youtube, but you made me do it.. Idk why I enjoy watching you guys even for so long?! maybe it’s because of how amazing your videos are. Keep it up 👍🏻 you’re doing amazing
The greatest thing about GOT is the depth of every person and people you meet. The nights watch lore is some of my favorite. “The wall” and its history are fascinating to me.
I love the Northern lore too! If you haven’t already seen it- I recommend “Alt Shift X”s channel- there’s a great video on Northern lore & the Night’s King (not to be confused with the show blue zombie Night King). The Night’s King story is way more “forbidden blood magic sex” themed in the books. The videos on the Alt Shift X channel are for GoT show fans - you don’t need to have read the books to enjoy. Radio Westeros has a podcast episode on Northern lore which is book-focused but I listened to it and then decided to read the books - so it’s very clear for any level of interest in the lore.
It's a pleasure to see you dive into Game of Thrones lore. Looking forward to seeing you continue this journey. Your reactions, questions, analyzes and enthusiasm are always very interesting to watch, even for someone whose native language is not English.
Love your reactions. You are so thoughtful and you like analysing. You also complement each other so well. When Pudgey goes "That's so sad", Spartan will say "That's brutal"🤣 Pudgey also reminds me of my beautiful wife, and Spartan is the cutest thing ever.
It’s discussed is Fire & Blood that when Viserys (Viserys of the golden crown) was born his father Aerys kept him in isolation because of his growing paranoia at the time. As well as other reasons which I suppose could potentially be seen as spoilers, so I’ll just not bother mentioning it. So, Vis was exclusively raised and educated by Aerys the Mad King himself, and had no friends or influence outside of his father. It really makes Viserys a much more tragic character, imo, as this explanation shows where Vis got all of his apparent belief in using violence to control people including his own sister. As well as his singleminded and fanatical views of the Targaryen dynasty.
Yeah I very much like the idea of him being a more tragic tale than just a cruel power hungry loser. Because everything that Daenerys went through during their younger childhood he also went through, and probably had to deal with that more due to his older age.
So targaryens lived in old valyria and were therefore valyrians (same goes for house velaryon). Targaryens had a dragon dream predicting the doom of valyria so they fled years before to dragonstone and settled there!
25:46 there are 4 known ways for the Wildlings to cross the wall. The easiest would be by sailing around the wall's easternmost Castle, The Eastwatch by the Sea. Another easy way is finding small crevices and openings in the ruins of the abandoned castles. The more dangerous way is by climbing up the walls with picks and rope before climbing down. The most dangerous is the labyrinth of caverns and mines that goes under the Wall where no lights touched and could get you lost forever.
Ned didn’t appreciate the child murders that the Lannister’s armies carried out but he also wanted to save Cersei’s children. Remember he tried to get Cersei to flee not because he cared what happened to her but because he did not want to see their kids die, no matter who their father was. He tried to save Joffrey’s life
Ned was too honorable for his own good. 🙁 It took me many seasons to realize that and the depth of Cersei's words that when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
Fun fact, besides the obvious historical inspiration in Roman Empire, Valyrians were also inspired by Melniboneans from Michael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone-dragonlords and slavers, ruled by an albino with a cool black sword (it's one of those old things that was super influential but only genre nerds know about now) Generally speaking, people who write fantasy books also read a lot of fantasy books.
Well done to both of you for doing your best to take in such a lengthy lore drop. I hope you enjoyed it. I feel like its very helpful to understand the various perspectives and what drives the characters of the show. ^^
**Spartan and Pudgy** 'Valyria/Valyrians' and 'House Velaryon' are different!! Both Velaryons and Targaryens are also VALYRIANS as they both were from Valyria!! Valyria = Val-ear-ee-a Velaryon = Vel-ar-ee-on (i really hope this helps as I know you've been confused throughout HOTD and GOT so far!!)
I think Tywin's speech to Jaime reflected his desire for Jaime to be recognized as a significant figure. He wished for Jaime to achieve the personal glory that Tywin had denied himself by serving as Hand of the King for decades.
The Faith plays an important role in Game of Thrones as well. It is the dominant religion of Westeros. The Targaryens worshup the Faith of the Seven too, it's just that most of the Targaryens were not all that religious. So the capital under them was not all that puritanical.
Yea when that had dragons they just used the faith as a political tool to solidify three rule but once the dragons were gone they relied more on religion.
Funny thing is it is more like 8 kingdoms, but at the time of the Conquest the Iron Islands ruled the Riverlands, and spent like 50 years building Harrenhal to rule it from. The Harrens ruled the Iron Islands at the time, but now it is the Greyjoys chosen by vote amongst the Ironmen to replace them.
Remember Maesters give up their family name so Maester Aemon would’ve been long forgotten as a targaryen, especially since hes doubly renounced his family name as both a Maester and a brother of the Nights Watch. thats why Viserys doesnt know of him. Aemon wouldve been granduncle to the Mad King and already refused the crown when it was given to his brother Aegon the V instead. thats why dany and viserys know nothing of him.
Maester Aemon was the eldest surviving son of King Maekar Targaryen. However, because the House of the Dragon had a huge number of heirs when he was born, he was sent to become a Maester. Various tragedies and accidents ensured Maekar became King (despite being his father's 4th son,) after Maekar's death, his councillors offered the Throne to Aemon who refused, saying that his younger brother Aegon (called the Unlikely because he was the 4th son of a 4th son and thus very far down the line of succession when born,) should be King. Aegon ruled, had a son Jaehaerys, who had a son Aerys the Mad King. The Show brought Aemon and Aerys a generation closer together. Making Aemon an uncle (instead of a great uncle,) of Aerys. Aemon is now nearly 100 years old, having served with the Knight's Watch for over 70 years.
When Robert says "those dragon spawns could not have been allowed to live", you realize that the fear and paranoia of Otto and Alicent was validated by Westerosi history. In a Tudor-esque world of politics, didn't matter if your royal son didn't want any claim or any titles, as long as they were breathing they would always be looked as a threat. That's what Rhaegar's grandchildren was to Robert. And that's what Robert's sons was to Joffrey.
And same is true about ''paranoia'' of Daemon and Rhaenyra, because it is obviously not paranoia but whenever there is a succession crisis, this played out, already numerous times in Westeros history. When one side was that much more powerful than the other, the children and pretenders were just slaughtered, when forces were more equal like in HOTD (or GoT), a civil war/significant rebellion...
That's not really true Robert just has a massive anti targaryen bias because of rhagar and Otto just told Alicent that to manipulate her episode 9 he was not afraid aegon and the others would be killed because he always planned on doing it to Rhenyra it was always a hypocritical line .
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This why the author of the books on Game of Thrones R R Martin is a genius and took so long to write the books because he wrote the books like histories and in such detail and made them so compelling you could make 40 different shows for the next 100 years about parts of his books. R R Martin wrote the books because he became disillusioned with how formulaic TV writing was so wrote the Game Of Thrones books thinking it would be impossible to make into a film or show because it was too dark and it took 30 years because the first books were written in the 1990s
House Velaryon is from Valyria an are Valyrian's same as the Targaryen's. You keep calling the house Velaryon as Valyrian, but that's not how its pronounced. Anyway love the channel keep it up! ☺
If you’re watching the histories and lore videos of each season, DO NOT WATCH the season 5 one, it contains spoilers to house of the dragon future seasons!!!
Hey guys! Some help with something you guys seem to be confusing (for good reason)
*House Velaryon* , the house in HOTD that Corlys, Princess Rhaenys, Laenor, and Laena belong to…is from *Valyria* the Empire that was destroyed by The Doom. The sound the same spoken *Valyria/Valyrian* and *Velaryon* but one is a place/culture, and one is a house/family.
- *House Velaryon’s* were ‘sea fairing’ *Valyrians* who also escaped *The Doom of Valyria* … *separate* from *House Targaryen*.
- *House Velaryon* never actually had dragons, until they intermarried with *House Targaryen* , even though they are *Valyrian* too. (Because they preferred the sea too dragon riding, even before *Valyria* was destroyed in The Doom)
*House Targaryen* is also from Valyria.
- *House Targaryen* was the *only Valyrian family* that escaped the doom *with dragons* .
There is another *Valyrian* house in Westeros (in the books), however. They, like House Velaryon, also did not bring Dragons from *Valyria* , and so they are pretty inconsequential.
*TLDR*
*Valyria / Valyrian* = Place / culture of people from the (now destroyed) Valyrian Empire. Most Valyrians rode dragons. Not all.
*House Velaryon* = (the house/family with Lord Corlys in HOTD) is a sea fairing, *dragon-less* family that *descends from Valyrians*
*House Targaryen* = the only house/family *that descends from Valyria* in Westeros that *brought dragons from Valyria*
Maester Aemon is not Aerys brother - he is his grand uncle. His younger brother who became king was Aegon V., father of the next king Jaehaerys II. who in turn was the father of the Mad King Aerys II.
Aegon the Conqueror did not control 3 dragons. He rode/controlled only Balarion. His sister-wives/co-rulers rode/controlled the other 2. Visenya on Vhagar and Rhaenys on Meraxes.
Yeah the video even explained that, he was using the 3 dragons at the same time, he wasn’t controlling them, as his sisters were controlling the other 2, they are mis hearing what the video said
Yeah the lores say “aegon’s dragons” the way we’d say the Hightower/the green dragons, because they were at war and all three dragons were in Aegon the conqueror’s army per se. But they weren’t CONTROLLED by him. If either of his sister-wives commanded their dragons to burn Aegon, they would.
@@TheCromenockleFletch maybe, but that’s not what happened during the Conquest is what we’re saying
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Quick Valyria correction..
In Valyria there were lots of dragon lords, the Targaryens were one of them.
House Velaryon is also native to Valyria but they were not dragon lords, they were masters of the seas.
There's also House Celtigar who briefly appeared in House of The Dragon.
@Giel S. Suar don't be mean. They know a lot considering the fact that it so much to take in and they just started.
@Giel S. Suar Yet you have spammed the same message in here 20 times. Keep doing it and you'll be blocked from the channel. You don't need to spam the same message 20 times on a video.
@Giel S. Suar Hey, please don't be rude. They always try to correct themselves whenever they're informed about things. Maybe they missed the comment regarding this. Also, GOT world is full of so much information. It's very easy to miss some things.
@@neeharikasingh4229 yeah seriously. Most of us have been with this world for over a decade. Give them a moment to digest all the lore, names, etc.
14:25 You're confusing "Velaryon", the name of a House, with Valyrian, referring to Old Valyria.
House Velaryon was of Valyrian descent, but were a lesser House and didn't have their own dragons, as the Targaryens did.
There is a decent chance the Velaryons got their name from the Westerosi calling them Valyrians as they were kind of nobodies when they came to westeros. The Targaryans were a big house and conquered westeros so people learned their real name but if the Velarions had no rich history it would be the most notable thing about them and could've become their house name.
Many writers pay close attention to make sure names they used aren’t easy to mix up. George seems to do it on purpose lol.
@@jaredf6205 I think it might be yet another nod from him towards real medieval history.
Just here in England we have a five Edwards in the medieval period, seven Henrys, three Richards, one of whose prominent fathers was also a Richard (Duke of York), In Scotland they had a whole heap of Malcolms and Alexanders and Jameses.
Similar to how people who should have been important die too soon, changing everything, I think it's a conscious rejection of the usually clear cut line between history and fantasy literature.
@@Fieryxjoe Interestingly, the Targaryens were not a "big Valyrian House," but relatively minor dragonlords in comparison to the top families in Valyria. They just happened to be one of the few Valyrian houses to escape the Doom, due to Daenys the Dreamer's premonitions.
@@jaredf6205 George has said he deliberately chose to break that rule. Both with reusing names (multiple Roberts, Jons, Jeynes, Aegons, etc.) and similar sounding names. It's both to be more realistic and more accurate to history, and also probably because coming up with unique sounding names is just impossible when you literally have over a thousand characters.
The reason Viserys says that all the stories about his father are lies is because his mother Rhaella Targaryen shielded him from his father's madness. He didn't witness how crazy his father was. He only saw the good side of him.
1. The remains of the Arm of Dorne is what is now known as the Stepstones (HOtD)
2. Remember, the Dothraki referred to Jorah as Jorah The Andal
3. Old wives tales, or are they? We heard Old Nan tell some of these tales to Bran in episode 3
4. The Targaryens were a minor dragon family in Valyria. They escaped the Doom because Daenys The Dreamer (Daenys Targaryen), the famous dragon dreamer, dreamt of the Doom some 17 years before it happened. Her father, Aenar, moved the Targaryens to the little rocky island of Dragonstone, thousands of miles west of Valyria, in the Narrow Sea just east of the primitive continent of Westeros, before the great incident occurred in Valyria and destroyed most of the Freehold, together with all who lived there and their dragons
5. Robert Baratheon makes bitter jokes about the Targaryens, but he is a quarter Targaryen himself. His grandmother (ie his father's mother) was a straight up Targaryen princess, Princess Rhaelle Targaryen. And, anyway, House Baratheon is descended directly from the Orys Baratheon, Aegon's The Conqueror's half brother
6. You've met Illyn Payne. He is the king's justice. He removed Ned's head and cut out a tongue in S2E1
7. My view is that Robert Baratheon knew Cersei's three children were most likely not his but, just as with King Viserys in HOtD, he didn't dare face the truth and its implications
The Dothraki thinks that everyone in Westeros are Andals. Jorah is definitely not an Andal.
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Yeah, he's a mormont, so he's from the north - but he is also a ser, what's untypical for the first men, because its a tradition of the andals
Bruh, Robert would NEVERA IGNORE the fact his children are bastards. He would have killed them no question
no way robert knew joffery and the kids werent his. he was way to proud and macho to tolerate being cuckolded. he simply was neglectful of his wife and children and never rly gave it a second thought and was primarily focused on his own desires.
thats also why Ned didnt tell Robert because he knew Robert would have joffery and his siblings killed and Ned could never tolerate the murder of children so he kept the truth from robert
If Robert knew about Cersei he would have killed her, Jaime, and all the children and found a new wife. He's not a forgiving man.
Another clarification - we have been introduced to three Maesters, each serving a different castle. Maester Luwin is the Maester of Winterfell, advising the Starks, who we hear from in these clips. I think you may have mixed him up with Maester Aemon, of the Night’s Watch, serving Castle Black - he’s the one who’s Targaryen. The last one we’ve been introduced to is Maester Pycelle who serves on the council at King’s Landing, advising the King.
In season 2 we'll meet more Maesters, but all in all the show just scratched the surface and unless you haven't read the books you'll never be fully aware of what exactly this big and complex organization is and which are they many, many , many tasks
Yes, in addition to that, you must bear in mind that all maesters come from noble families. They are supposed to give up lands and titles let go of their family ties and regional loyalties but it might still get into the way at times. Just like members of the Night’s Watch or the Kingsguard. I personally always wonder where they come from (we do not always know). Also, maesters are attached to castles, not houses, even though they might get attached to the family they serve.
And Pycelle is faking the doddery old man role. That's what the scene with him flexing and stretching after the Lady of Negotiable Affections leaves his rooms is meant to convey. Pycelle is a snake. There is a deleted scene where Tywin Lannister actually confronts Pycelle, telling him he's not fooled by his act one bit, after which Pycelle drops it and stands up straight and speaks without stuttering and faffing about. As guards can be clearly seen in the background who would surely have gossiped, the scene is rendered silly and it's probably just as well they dropped it.
Also, I had the impression that they thought Varys was a maester. He is not, just simply Master of Whispers (basically master of information) on the small council
@@Brian-mb8sx Yes, an important correction
These History and Lore videos are probably the best things that any show has put out as far as bonus material.
Yep never seen such high quality bonus content in another show before
Maester Aemon is actually the great uncle to the Mad King, not his brother. Love that you guys are digging deeper into the lore!
only great uncle
@@hannabelesti9646 oh right i'm thinking in terms of dany then. i do know the show kinda removed Aegon's son Jaehaerys II while Aemon was explaining his lineage.
In the show, it's his uncle. Maester Aemon said when I heard they killed MY brother's son (Aerys) and his poor son(Raeghar).
@@yingyang2838 I'm pretty sure Jaehaerys was Aerys' brother in the show.
@@iammine8117 Yeah, in both the book and the show Aemon is Aegon's brother, but they didn't want to have Aemon be like 104 years old in the show so they made Jaehaerys and Aerys brothers. He's talking about Rhaenys and Aegon being killed by The Mountain, his great nephew and niece (great-great nephew and niece in the book). I actually prefer this change, it makes Daenerys the third child of the second son of the fourth son of the fourth son.
Maester Aemon (Targaryen) = the old guy with the Night's watch. Maester Luwin = old guy in Winterfell
I’m loving the Game of Thrones videos guys. I like how you’re very observant and try to not miss anything. One thing I can’t stand about some other channels is how they talk over the episode and miss everything, then moan about things not making sense. Keep it up guys! Love from the UK🇬🇧
yeh , theyre really clued-on and actually PROCESS what the show is telling them - good to see
so true. that's one of my favorite things about them -- how observant and into it they are. it is a joy to whatch things with them
Yes! Even after streamlining the story from the books, the show - particularly early on - is so densely packed with information it’s hard to ‘casually’ watch.
Lmfao yeah right. They’re absolutely lost and clueless 90% of the time.
@@mcz420 they’re far more switched on and actually interested than the vast majority of reaction channels on here. Plus they’re only 1 season into GoT and HoTD. Can’t expect them to know that much when they’re still only new to the GoT universe
The lore is so rich and captivating!
Not sure if you caught that but when they talk about house Casterly and Casterly Rock, it says that apparently, their lands and power were swindled from them by a lengedary trickster called Lann the Clever, from whom the house Lannister is said to be descending from. Meaning that everything house Lannister owns, their power, money and influence likely started and flourished thanks to treachery and plotting, which seems pretty fitting.
I thought this at first but honestly, apart from Tywin and Cersei, all the Lannisters are pretty cool
@@Weeby_historian i mean aside from being a really bad dad, tywin isnt really that bad. He did some fucked up shit forsure, but it was all for his family
@@ihuh1000 his actions literally created dynastic foes for his house. Kevan would be a way better leader if he had enough backbone
@@Weeby_historian Just saying it's a noteworthy detail that wasn't inserted here randomly. When you learn the current wealthiest and one of the most influencial House in the realm comes from descend from a trickster that may have conned his way into power, it makes you think.
@@kameisland4749 conning your way into power isn’t really any worse than brutally conquering subjects through warfare but I get what you’re saying
Ned had a conversation with Jamie, about stabbing the mad King in the back. Jamie says " would you appreciate it more if I stabbed him in the belly instead of the back" in which Ned replies " You served him well, when serving was safe" Implying that he feels that Jamie could have stopped the mad king way earlier, probably before his father and brother got brutally murdered.
That was basically his point from neds perspective if Jaime killing areys was truly righteous he would have killed him a long time ago but instead he only killed him once shit went south looking like he just did it to save himself and working with his father .
Jaime killed mad king not for saving the innocent people of kinglading,
If you got enough brain and read books you will understand why he killed mad king ,
At that time Jaime was a same as his father and sister, he never thought about innocent at time , when mad king said 'brun the city' Jaime knew more than 10 thousands Lannister army in the city,
And remember " those army entered in kingslading few days ago and keep looting and killing innocent people from few days" and when mad king saw that he said burn them all, at this point Jaime thought about his Lannister his father and himself so he did it for save the Lannister and later got credit for saving all innocent, where Jaime was never a thought full person in that time only one person listened it was cersei book clearly pointed that she was his one kind of personal God at that time,
And people still say he saved millions but never understand what he was back then
to me it's just hypocritical because when brandon and rickard were killed he shames jaime for standing by but when jaime's own father becomes the enemy of the crown and aerys is even more mad then at the start he gets shamed for killing the mad king even though if he didn't it would've meant having to fight his own family for a complete psychopath. ned is a good man but not perfect and this is just straight up hypocrisy.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk I don't know about it be hypocritical from Ned, its just a different perspective. Ned just sees Jamie's timing of doing it convenient, He probably feels that Jamie should have done it before, since the Mad king was doing crazy things for years. For Jamie the Mad King calling to burn down king's landing and kill everyone was the last straw, as he was pondering duty over morality. Not to mention that Tywin also switched sides last minute not helping the cause for Jamie in the eyes of Ned.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk where is the hypocrisy in that lol
I’m so proud of you two for taking the time to watch the history/lore and really soak in the information. It makes watching your reactions and commentary to the episodes even more interesting and fun because you’re well informed (outside of the books) and invested. Also big shout out to the moderators for the managing the spoilers in the comments! 👍🏾
Targaryen and Velarion are both from old Valyria. Two seperate houses just like Stark and Tyrell are different houses. The name Velarion just sounds similar to Valyria but when written clearly different.
This is why I always watch with subtitles, especially shows that have a lot of characters
Eve Best, who plays Rhaenys, was so frustrated that even several of her fellow actors and people in the crew needed to be told this over and over again.
@Giel S. Suar They do read the comments after we check them for spoilers, but there are several hundreds of comments per video, and they are sometimes days apart. They then fit this into their daily lives with full time jobs, and many people, even GoT fans, have gotten Valyrian and Velaryon confused and the like. They were watching 2 shows at once with tons of lore dumped on them. Nothing fake about it, and not idiotic that they don't live and breathe every factoid about the show in a span of a short time. I'm not sure why you are subjecting yourself to this if it's making you this upset.
@Giel S. Suar You need to stop spamming insults numerous times at the reactors in a single video discussion. Free speech and opinion, even negative ones towards the reactors is allowed here but you are asking for further action to be taken if you are going to be spamming.
George did make it rather confusing. People descended from Valyria are called Valyrians, house Velaryon is just one of those houses
Ned's honor was his greatest strength, and his greatest weakness. He was noble, but he passed many opportunities to protect his family from what happens at the end of season 1.
That is not entirely true. Ned was willing to pay off the Gold Cloaks, which is not entirely an honourable move. He just trusted the wrong person, Littlefinger, to make the deal on his behalf. His plan could have worked out perfectly well if he was supported by the Gold Cloaks.
I love the whole idea that the greatest threat to an honorable man is love. It was Ned's love for Sansa that made him betray himself and his honor. It was only to protect Sansa (not to save himself) that Ned acknowledged Joffrey as "the one true heir" (in front of the citizens of King's Landing). Can you imagine if Ned held true to his honor and did the opposite and in his final moments yelled out to the people the truth of Joffrey being a bastard? What would've happened? But his love for Sansa made him betray the truth. He was such a complicated, incredible man.
@@BostonAmy love is the death of duty
@@BostonAmy probably would just speed up smallfolk discontent, maaaaybe save neds life but even that is doubtful. It wasn't terribly long after this Stannis sent all those ravens claiming the same.
@@WilsonRows Honour is not duty, honour is the death of duty, along with love.
Some cute lil fun facts about Rhaegar Targaryen is that while he was a skilled swordsmen, he loved nothing more than music and to sing. He would sing to the common people of King's Landing and any money thrown at him was given to orphanages. Before a tournament when all the houses were feasting Rhaegar sang a song that brought Lyanna to tears and the next day after winning a tournament he ignored his own wife and named Lyanna The Queen Of Love And Beauty
01:09:11 no, it is Hound's older brother, Tywin's most loyal knight known as the mountaine
also Ned’s one hangup that he can never excuse or condone is the murder of children. under any circumstances, thats why he was so mad about what the Lannisters did to Rhaegar’s and Elia’s children and why he was so upset w Robert for protecting them. Thats why he resigned as hand after Robert puts out a hit on Danaerys (shes 13 in the books at the time). Thats why he lied and ‘confessed’ his ‘treason’ to protect Sansa and Arya at his execution. Its also why he didnt tell Robert on his deathbed that joffery and the other kids werent his because he knew Robert would order their execution and instead gave Cersei an option to save themselves. Ned’s definitely the most honorable guy we see, but even he will forsake his honor to defend the lives of children.
Ned 100% disapproved of Jaime killing Aerys, specifically because Jaime was a sworn brother of the Kingsguard. The very first episode begins by showing us Ned's attitude toward oathbreakers.
This lore narration is so great. After all this time, some of these stories still give me goosebumps
Quick dragons corrections,
Aegon the Conqueror didn't possess 3 dragons, only one and it was Balerion the black dread, the other two belonged to his two sister-wives, Rhaenys rode Meraxes, and Visenya rode Vhagar.
36:10 😂 Nice “correction”
Thanks Arya ;)
I'm sure I knew that when I was a boy...
Very funny that "Spartan" was like, "Is Bran the Builder Ned's dad?"
He's a pretty old dude if that's the case
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Don't give the theory crafters more ideas.
@@Blankblank-y1n haha don't worry, I'm sure they've already thought of it
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Tyrek Lannister a horse?
@@Blankblank-y1n he probably is. But here's something the theory crafters probably haven't thought of before... Perhaps time travelling Bran IS Tyrek the horse, by warging into it!
the great thing about these lore videos is that you get several different (and HIGHLY biased) perspectives of the same events. they aren't cut and dry retellings of historical events. each narrator in their own way is unreliable, and keeps you wondering as to what REALLY happened
Robert Baratheon's grandmother was a Targaryen princess called Rhaelle. So he does have Targaryen blood.
1:05:20 What King Robert likes to forget is that not only was his ancient ancestor potentially a half Targaryen, is that over the years many a Targaryen and Baratheon married over the years. Remember Princess Rhaeynes in "House of the Dragon", the Queen Who Never Was....she was half Baratheon, and in the books had Hair of Black; it was changed for the show for sake of the drama. Robert Baratheon's great-grandmother was Targaryen, but seems to always forget that fact.
I love how this histories & lores is done through individual characters, so the viewer can be aware of propaganda influencing each retelling. A wonderful experience.
Another thing that’s interesting. Robert, Stannis and Renly Baratheons grandmother was actually Targaryen. So Robert is more Targaryen than he admits…
His grandmother was in the direct line. She was the sister of king Jahaerys the 2nd
"Just let Joffrey be born and behead him". I laughed a little too hard at that one.
Ned wasn't just brought down by his honour. He understood that politics at Kings Landing could be dirty. He was willing to pay off the Gold Cloaks to support his claim, that is not the honourable choice. His mistake was that he trusted the wrong person, Littlefinger, to pay off the Gold Cloaks. If the Gold Cloaks had supported him, his plan would have worked out perfectly well. It was also a mistake from Catelyn to take Tyrion as her prisoner, it forced Jaime's and Tywin's hand. It is always interesting that people don't seem to understand this. Ned was actually willing to leave some his honour behind.
Another mistake was in warning Cersei beforehand. But from the History and Lore, you can understand the decision. He did not want to see her children being murdered like Princess Elia and her two children was murdered during the sack of Kings Landing.
Spartan makes a great point about history being a matter of assembled perspectives- from either side Targs are glorified or violently chaotic. The truth is a combination, but the perspectives tell us about the characters and their worldviews. (Pudgey observant & thoughtful, as always). You compliment each other well & never worry about rating your own reaction- it is the genuine engagement which makes both of you nice to share this world with.
You've earned another subscriber here for taking on the lore of this amazing world. It is a lot to take on. Also if you miss anything be assured the fans will help you out in the comments.
gotta get some snacks for this one
Same gotta get some foodies 😩
Spartan’s our snack
what you said is true, everything Viserys knew about house Targaryen and westeros was his point of view and what other people would say to him. he would always view the starks, Lannisters and Baratheons as monsters and usurpers, since they "made" the hell of his life. Viserys was 5 when he flee to essos and had to take care of baby Daenerys (who didn't know what was happening), a child taking care of a child. they lived as beggers, starving and running from assassins (sent by Robert).
"My mother died giving me birth, and my father and my brother Rhaegar even before that. I would never have known so much as their names if Viserys had not been there to tell me. He was the only one left. The only one. He is all I have. -Daenerys Targaryen
"When Viserys sold their mother's crown, the last joy had gone from him, leaving only rage." - Daenerys
Wow! Thanks for reacting to this one! It was an undertaking for sure, but very informative and interesting! I’d never watched it before as a GoT fan and it just feels right that you keep coming up with new ways for me to look at this series!
I have to say I love your reactions to GoT. It's quite an unique perspective to have started with HotD and your reactions are probably the most genuine I've seen on a reaction channel. Seeing Spartan in utter denial over episode 9 and Pudgey die on the inside over the same scene brought back such nostalgic memories from when I watched it. It's almost like showing my kids something cool from 'back in my day', and I don't even have kids lmao
You speak how you loved the different perspectives on these inserts. The Song of ice and fire, the books that the game of thrones tv-show is based on, is all written in that way. Every chapter is on some character's perspective, and the reader only sees what that character sees, and know only what that character knows. That makes it interesting to read, when you can't be completely sure you know everything what is happening behind the scenes. And it is interesting to read from someones perspective for the first time that you had previously only saw form the other characters viewpoints.
Maester Luwin is not a Targaryen, he is the maester of Winterfell.
Maester Aemon is a Targaryen, he is the maester of the night's watch.
It sucks that they didn’t say that Aerys became mad after he was captured by House Darklin for 3 months and Ser Barristan had to sneak in and save him himself
Its because these narrations are purposefully biased by the one speaking them.
my favourite part about these videos is the attitude and personality the narrators give to the different stories, if history class was taught like that every kid would be into history
I love how you guys are actually doing History and Lore!
3:58 The subtitle said "their deep car tires" 😂😂😂
You guys have a lovely dynamic together and certainly complement each other. Keep up the good work. Loving your content!
Aegon did not control all 3 of the dragons, he only controlled Balerion The Black Dread the other 2 (Vhagar and Meraxes) were ridden by his 2 sister wives Visenya and Rhaenys.
I am so impressed with Pudgey keeping up so well!
The “Almost every Targaryen went mad” is a myth. We are looking at someone who has a negative bias against the Targaryens (Robert) out of all 16 Targaryens there were abt three rly crazy ones
We could even lower that number to one if were taking actually insane and not just mad due to circumstances
You guys are the first channel to watch the GOT series and watch the lore i love it
Hey Spartan, I think you're getting confused between Valyria, the region and house Velaryon, who, like House Targaryen, also originate from the region of Valyria. House Targaryens were dragon riders while house Velaryon are seafarers.
Also, Aegon the conquerer didn't control all 3 dragons, his sister wives rode the other two, Visenya on Vhagar and Rhaenys on Meraxes
House Celtigar be like "oh you forgot about us again, did you?"
You're gonna hear a lot about Targaryen madness and even a quote saying "half of them went mad" but in truth only 6 Targaryens ever went crazy and only 2 of them were really born that way the other 4 we're just extremely traumatized. They just went so crazy that it gave the family a bad reputation for it.
Yea I really hate how the show overexagerate the " targaryen madness" not even half of them went mad and even less became kings .
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I don't really think its the show, its more in-universe common belief.
Like basically everyone believes it even if it's not true.
@@Blankblank-y1n no it's a show thing this idea that Targaryens are prone to madness is a narrative the show created this doesn't exist in the books.
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That's not what I'm arguing, I'm arguing that the show makes it appear that that is true, as an in-universe belief, the show itself takes no stance on Targaryen madness. The common people however believe Targaryen madness is common, so it is demonstrating this through the phrases and references.
I agree, we have what 4 Targaryens who demonstrated some form of innate instability. But those 4 are in incredibly high positions and have a large impact on the realm, thus it lead to a widespread idea among the populace that Targaryens are insane, even if it's incorrect.
@@Blankblank-y1n expect that's simply not true it's a dumb narrative the show pulls out of its ass simple as that .
I didn’t know these existed! Thanks for watching them. They give you more info and I get a refresh since I haven’t watched the show or read the books in years 😂😂
Oh wow, I did not expect that you will react to the Lore videos, this is great stuff! You will absolutely loove these and they will help you understand and discover many more things about this fascinating world, which will create a better understanding or GOT and HOTD events. Each season of GOT has one History and Lore video and I hope they continue to do these for HOTD too.
Maester Aemon was not Aerys' brother, but his great-uncle (yes, he is that old). He had already become a maester until there was a succession crisis, and he was asked to renounce his maester vows and become the king. He refused, so his much younger brother Aegon V became king. Robert knows about Maester Aemon (another point is that Robert's own grandmother was Princess Rhaelle Targaryen, Aegon V's daughter, and Maester Aemon's niece), but Aemon is really old, plus his maester and Night's Watch vows prevent him from interfering in politics or holding titles, so Robert did not consider him a threat of any sort.
What is Aemon to someone like Rhaenyra for example? Or Alicent's kids?
@@boti7289 A descendant (can't say of whom, because that would be a spoiler for who survives/wins), but he's a direct descendant several generations down the line.
@@babablacksheepdog Well technically the side you don't speak of wins.
@@boti7289 Maester Aemon was something like the 7 x great-grandson of Viserys I (to avoid spoilers).
I did not know about these lore videos, they are fascinating
I'm so happy you guys are watching the history and lore videos! It feels like an overload of info while watching for the first time, but you'll definitely feel more familiar with the world as you continue on through the series having watched the lore :D Looking forward to season 2!
1:29:00 When Tywin reigned justice on the Raynes of Castomere, he was still Ser Tywin as his Lord Father was still alive. He thought his father was weak and simply took matters into his own hands.
This video is unexpected. I thought you'll go straight on watching s2 of GOT but damn, love the commitment. Excited to see your future reaction videos.
You guys are DEFINITELY my new favorite GOT reviewers, PERIOD. 💯 Keep it up! 💜💜💜
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I love how Robert wants to kill every targaryen blooded person, while his own grandmother war targaryen
The founder of his house was a Targaryen.
I don't understand why people like him so much.
@@Angela-bm3lp i don’t like him but he is funny when drunk
He's an interesting character, they almost all have good points and flaws, as everyone does. He's a good example of a great warrior who is a poor and lazy ruler. He was blinded to the objective reality by his infatuation with Lyanna Stark, etc etc. Very pertinent to today's divided politics imo. This particular video shows perfectly how historians are best placed to evaluate today's situation.
@@Angela-bm3lphe's a cool character
Fun fact in King Robert rant on dragon spawn. He is the grandson of a Targaryen. Funny how he seems to block that from his mind to explain away killing others that he shares blood with so as not to be labeled a kin slayer.
Still love the way the actor delivers Robert lines.
I too vote for a Robert Rebellion series!
He wouldn't be labeled a kinslayer, not only is he not the same house. They arent even cousins, which is bare minimum for kinslaying.
Yes he is a king slayer. He and Rhaegar are cousins and share blood as Robert grandmother was a Targaryen. While there is a little distance in blood they are still close enough in bloodlines that by the Faith and even First Man eyes he killed kin. And give the Baratheon line began as bastard line to House Targaryen and has married multiple times makes it even more clear he is a slayer of kin.
I think this is why most like tk paint Rhaegar as having ‘taken Leanna’ rather than the two going off in love. The Mad King many would excuse for NEEDING to die only by paint in Rhaegar as scum does it wash the sin of kin slaying away.
I also feel that Ned is torn by Robert glee at Rheagar’s children killed and part of him starts to understand he allowed Robert to kin slay. Add that to his sister revealing more real details and that no doubt fuels Ned’s guilt.
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Rhaegar and Robert weren't first cousins.
They were second cousins which dosent classify as kinslaying, If it did basically none of the great houses could kill eachother because they are so intermarried.
Sharing blood is irrelevant, Orys is so far up the line it's irrelevant. And his grandmother only makes him a second cousin to Rhaegar.
That's not kinslaying, kinslaying is usually a direct relative father brother uncle first cousin.
Blood percentage dosent matter for kinslaying, only line relation matters. IE wherein an individual is located in the family line in relation to another.
And even then kinslaying seems to only really be recognized within there own house. So even if by some miracle let's say Rhaegar is transformed into his first cousin. That's still irrelevant because Rhaegar is not a Baratheon.
The reason Kinslaying is taboo is because it's betraying your family and your house, and taking advantage of the family. Rhaegar is not part of the family technically so it wouldn't be perceived as kinslaying.
If Rhaegar was even a distant Baratheon relation meaning part of the house Baratheon IE, he is like a 5th cousin but he has the last name Baratheon that would be kinslaying. But he's not a Baratheon he's a Targaryen. Kinslaying is the slaying of individuals in your own house by members of your own house.
I’ve never seen anyone react to these !!! They’re so interesting as well! You guys are awesome
Here’s a book/show difference….
In the books, Maester Aemon is the great-uncle of the Mad King (Aegon V-Jahaerys II-Aerys II).
In the show, likely to simplify the dialogue, they had Aemon call Aerys II his nephew, instead.
You mentioned about if Robert knew this? Perhaps, very likely I imagine, but even so, Aemon is (was, for Robert’s sake) out of reach of authorities because he pledged himself to the Night’s Watch.
I am not sure that a deviation from the books necessarily, in the same way that a cousin doesn’t always mean a first cousin, it can mean all manner of different combinations like 1st cousin once removed or 3rd cousin twice removed or 3rd cousin once removed etc etc, the same is often done with aunts/uncles, nieces/nephews the generational determiner is omitted and you just call them uncle instead of great uncle or nephew instead of grand/great nephew
@@Penddraig7 He called Aerys his brother's son, so it was an actual change - they eliminated a generation.
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I really liked the lore and history videos. Adds so much to the already great show. Hope you guys enjoyed them!
Are u from House Reed from the Neck?🤔😂
@@vivek27789 Please no! I can't stand swamps! Lol!
Honestly, it's mindblowing that GRRM came up with all this lore on his own. Not only recent events but thousands of years in the past. What I really enjoy about his world that its a lot like a Tarantino movie. Side characters have so much depth, everybody has a personality and its own personal reason to the things they do.
I bet a lot of people said it already but: The Song of Ice and Fire (the books) are written in the same way. Each chapter comes from the perspective of a character...and the next chapter follows another one. Which made it so unique for me while reading. And it is still the best I have ever read. After you are done with the show you might wanna read the books as well and become one of the many who pray that the story will be finished before the creator leaves our world. :/
14:55 Valyria/Old Valyria was the capital city of the entire Valyrian Freehold. Its citizens were called Valyrians. Just like Westeros, there were prominent families/houses there. The Targaryens were one of the houses (and Velaryons, too!)
Yeah I think the names sounding similar confused them a little. I think they thought the House was called Valyrian not Velaryon*
@@seanc411 Yeah George definitely didn't make it easy for people with some of his naming decisions in general.
@@suddenimpulse030 Yeah haha I suppose that’s the advantage with reading over watching.
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I love how Spartan just nonchalantly wants to behead a newborn baby Joffrey. 😄😄😄
Robert and Cersei joke that it was their marriage that held the Realm together after the Rebellion, but it was actually Jon Arryn serving as Hand. It is his death that sent the Realm into the tailspin that is A Game of Thrones.
Just so you know, there are several of these shorts that will spoil upcoming seasons of House of the Dragon, which covers an event called "The Dance of the Dragons." You might want to be careful watching these if you don't want to be spoiled.
Edit: After some research, looks like it's included in the lore videos for the fifth season.
Their mods know where all the spoilers are in the show and in lore videos and won't allow them to watch spoilers.
Even with me being a GOT universe fan, i've never watched this chronicles myself. Was great to watch this first time with you guys.
If I may intercept briefly. Gregor Clegane or The Mountain, was the person that Tywin ordered to murder Elia Martell (who he presumably r-worded) and her children during the Sack of King's Landing. I've noted Pudgey asking if that was The Hound. To clear this up, The Hound is actually Sandor Clegane, Gregor's brother. We see their interaction during jousting when The Hound (Sandor Clegane) stands up to his brother The Mountain (Gregor Clegane).
It is said that The Mountain (Gregor) was the one to actually burn The Hound, his own brother. This speaks volumes of Gregor's character and easily allows us to believe his horrifying act of r-wording Elia.
He confessed to raping her in the show and books. There is no presumption.
Man I’ve never thought that I could watch an hour and a half of one video on youtube, but you made me do it.. Idk why I enjoy watching you guys even for so long?! maybe it’s because of how amazing your videos are.
Keep it up 👍🏻 you’re doing amazing
The greatest thing about GOT is the depth of every person and people you meet. The nights watch lore is some of my favorite. “The wall” and its history are fascinating to me.
I love the Northern lore too!
If you haven’t already seen it- I recommend “Alt Shift X”s channel- there’s a great video on Northern lore & the Night’s King (not to be confused with the show blue zombie Night King). The Night’s King story is way more “forbidden blood magic sex” themed in the books. The videos on the Alt Shift X channel are for GoT show fans - you don’t need to have read the books to enjoy. Radio Westeros has a podcast episode on Northern lore which is book-focused but I listened to it and then decided to read the books - so it’s very clear for any level of interest in the lore.
It's a pleasure to see you dive into Game of Thrones lore. Looking forward to seeing you continue this journey. Your reactions, questions, analyzes and enthusiasm are always very interesting to watch, even for someone whose native language is not English.
I hope you will do one for each season after you watch each season
A good way to fill our wait time between season 1 & 2 of HOTD
Love your reactions. You are so thoughtful and you like analysing. You also complement each other so well. When Pudgey goes "That's so sad", Spartan will say "That's brutal"🤣 Pudgey also reminds me of my beautiful wife, and Spartan is the cutest thing ever.
It’s discussed is Fire & Blood that when Viserys (Viserys of the golden crown) was born his father Aerys kept him in isolation because of his growing paranoia at the time. As well as other reasons which I suppose could potentially be seen as spoilers, so I’ll just not bother mentioning it. So, Vis was exclusively raised and educated by Aerys the Mad King himself, and had no friends or influence outside of his father. It really makes Viserys a much more tragic character, imo, as this explanation shows where Vis got all of his apparent belief in using violence to control people including his own sister. As well as his singleminded and fanatical views of the Targaryen dynasty.
Yeah I very much like the idea of him being a more tragic tale than just a cruel power hungry loser. Because everything that Daenerys went through during their younger childhood he also went through, and probably had to deal with that more due to his older age.
Jaime gave up his position as tywin heir to swear to the kingsguard, vowing celibacy and giving up service and loyalty to his family.
So targaryens lived in old valyria and were therefore valyrians (same goes for house velaryon). Targaryens had a dragon dream predicting the doom of valyria so they fled years before to dragonstone and settled there!
25:46 there are 4 known ways for the Wildlings to cross the wall. The easiest would be by sailing around the wall's easternmost Castle, The Eastwatch by the Sea.
Another easy way is finding small crevices and openings in the ruins of the abandoned castles.
The more dangerous way is by climbing up the walls with picks and rope before climbing down.
The most dangerous is the labyrinth of caverns and mines that goes under the Wall where no lights touched and could get you lost forever.
All these lore videos are amazing. You guys should react to them all!
Except season 5 it is all about hotd
Spartan: I have good memory
Also Spartan: It’s hard to remember everything. 😅
Ned didn’t appreciate the child murders that the Lannister’s armies carried out but he also wanted to save Cersei’s children. Remember he tried to get Cersei to flee not because he cared what happened to her but because he did not want to see their kids die, no matter who their father was. He tried to save Joffrey’s life
Ned was too honorable for his own good. 🙁 It took me many seasons to realize that and the depth of Cersei's words that when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
Y’all literally heard Tywin massacring the population of King’s Landing and said “yup Mad King deserved it”
Fr both tywin and Aerys deserved death.
Fun fact, besides the obvious historical inspiration in Roman Empire, Valyrians were also inspired by Melniboneans from Michael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone-dragonlords and slavers, ruled by an albino with a cool black sword (it's one of those old things that was super influential but only genre nerds know about now)
Generally speaking, people who write fantasy books also read a lot of fantasy books.
Well done to both of you for doing your best to take in such a lengthy lore drop. I hope you enjoyed it. I feel like its very helpful to understand the various perspectives and what drives the characters of the show. ^^
**Spartan and Pudgy**
'Valyria/Valyrians' and 'House Velaryon' are different!!
Both Velaryons and Targaryens are also VALYRIANS as they both were from Valyria!!
Valyria = Val-ear-ee-a
Velaryon = Vel-ar-ee-on
(i really hope this helps as I know you've been confused throughout HOTD and GOT so far!!)
I think Tywin's speech to Jaime reflected his desire for Jaime to be recognized as a significant figure. He wished for Jaime to achieve the personal glory that Tywin had denied himself by serving as Hand of the King for decades.
From a certain angle Pudgeys hair is giving slight Princess Rhaenys...YAS
The best thing about these is how they exemplify "history is written by the victors" or in this case, "a story is molded by the storytellers biases"
1:06:28 oh man you literally talked over one of the most important info about Robert Baratheon's relation to Targaryens.
27:00 "Night SWAT" might be the best auto-CC error I've seen
The Faith plays an important role in Game of Thrones as well. It is the dominant religion of Westeros. The Targaryens worshup the Faith of the Seven too, it's just that most of the Targaryens were not all that religious. So the capital under them was not all that puritanical.
Yea when that had dragons they just used the faith as a political tool to solidify three rule but once the dragons were gone they relied more on religion.
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Even before that they used the seven.
They spouted the idea that they were Semi-divine and thus destined to rule.
I hope you guys do these every season!
Aegon rode Balerion the Black Dread, while his sisters Visenya rode Vhagar and Rhaenys rode Meraxes
Funny thing is it is more like 8 kingdoms, but at the time of the Conquest the Iron Islands ruled the Riverlands, and spent like 50 years building Harrenhal to rule it from. The Harrens ruled the Iron Islands at the time, but now it is the Greyjoys chosen by vote amongst the Ironmen to replace them.
Remember Maesters give up their family name so Maester Aemon would’ve been long forgotten as a targaryen, especially since hes doubly renounced his family name as both a Maester and a brother of the Nights Watch. thats why Viserys doesnt know of him. Aemon wouldve been granduncle to the Mad King and already refused the crown when it was given to his brother Aegon the V instead. thats why dany and viserys know nothing of him.
Maester Aemon was the eldest surviving son of King Maekar Targaryen. However, because the House of the Dragon had a huge number of heirs when he was born, he was sent to become a Maester. Various tragedies and accidents ensured Maekar became King (despite being his father's 4th son,) after Maekar's death, his councillors offered the Throne to Aemon who refused, saying that his younger brother Aegon (called the Unlikely because he was the 4th son of a 4th son and thus very far down the line of succession when born,) should be King.
Aegon ruled, had a son Jaehaerys, who had a son Aerys the Mad King.
The Show brought Aemon and Aerys a generation closer together.
Making Aemon an uncle (instead of a great uncle,) of Aerys.
Aemon is now nearly 100 years old, having served with the Knight's Watch for over 70 years.
When Robert says "those dragon spawns could not have been allowed to live", you realize that the fear and paranoia of Otto and Alicent was validated by Westerosi history. In a Tudor-esque world of politics, didn't matter if your royal son didn't want any claim or any titles, as long as they were breathing they would always be looked as a threat. That's what Rhaegar's grandchildren was to Robert. And that's what Robert's sons was to Joffrey.
And same is true about ''paranoia'' of Daemon and Rhaenyra, because it is obviously not paranoia but whenever there is a succession crisis, this played out, already numerous times in Westeros history. When one side was that much more powerful than the other, the children and pretenders were just slaughtered, when forces were more equal like in HOTD (or GoT), a civil war/significant rebellion...
That's not really true Robert just has a massive anti targaryen bias because of rhagar and Otto just told Alicent that to manipulate her episode 9 he was not afraid aegon and the others would be killed because he always planned on doing it to Rhenyra it was always a hypocritical line .
It's a dog eat dog world. You either strike first or you're food.