Still relevant as of June 2024! Followed these directions and it worked perfectly with my Daikin Mini Split unit and AirZone adapter. Thank you for the comprehensive video! Very helpful.
Nice!! I'm glad things haven't changed too much. I need to go back through and sort of update a ton of videos. Just haven't had time. Glad you got this all dialed in though.
Great video! I'm currently working on a commercial project where we're installing about 30 Daikin minisplits (about 4 different models) all w/ these DKN Plus adapters & integrating them into the BAS. The Daikin literature doesn't provide a lot of details on what to expect or how to wire them up, so this video was very helpful for me to get an idea of what to expect & the app's capabilities. I really appreciate you doing this video as it saved me a lot of time in the field figuring all this out on my own.
thank you! glad it helped you out. these adaptors are still new so there is tons of stuff i'm sure i don't touch on in the videos, but most of the time it gets you there or at least close enough ;)
I've seen folks tuck it inside but depending on the install you may not have room. On wall heads I just set it on top usually, unless there's an end user who has an issue with that then you need to get creative. Keep in mind tucking it inside something may affect it's connection strength too though.
@@InverterAlways awesome. That makes sense. Thanks! Turns out I got the wrong WiFi adapter. I have a Daikin Inverter but can’t seem to find the right item on Amazon? Any suggestion where to buy it online?
Dana, Thank you for your RUclips videos, they have been very informative. You solved a long-standing problem of getting WiFi control of ducted units. Do you know if it’s possible to connect the Airzone AZWSDAI31E3 Wi-Fi adapter with Daikin’s Mini-Split Wireless interface Adapters on the same app? I now have two very similar apps (DKN Cloud NA and Comfort Control) controlling separate units. It would be great to get them on the same app, without changing the Wi-Fi interface. Any advice?
Hi Shawn, Just responded to your email but saw this as well so below is copy/paste for reference. So the daikin comfort app uses a totally different card. The good news is that you can Install the dkn adaptors I talk about in my video on both mini splits (through s21) and vrv units (p1p2) and add them all to the same app. So no worries there you just have to make sure to order the right cards. There's an s21 adaptor, a p1p2 adaptor, then a 3rd party stat adaptor that can connect to both s21 and p1p2. Obviously you don't have a separate stat here, but I like the 3rd party adaptor personally just so I only have to worry about one skew. It works for wifi control anyways so you don't technically have to add a 3rd party stat to begin with. None the less it's a little more expensive so you can choose whatever adaptor part number fits your unit best. Then put them all on the cloud app. I'm not familiar with the part number you reference but the part numbers I use on the daikin units are: AZAI6WSCDKADKN Cloud Wifi Adaptor (for P1P2 connections) AZAI6WSPDKCDKN Cloud Adaptor (for Modbus and 3rd party stats) AZAI6WSCDKBDKN Cloud Wifi Adaptor for S21
Electrical issue? Was it already installed or new install? Wired wrong? Hard to say for sure. Have you killed power to check wiring of device and powered unit back on? Maybe the adaptor just failed.
Question: Can you use the 3rd party thermostat DKN adapter (AZAI6WSPDKC) on the FDMQ series indoor units. The manual for the FDMQ states compatibility with the P1P2 DKN adapter (AZAAI6WSCDKA). However, perhaps the universal DKN works with all Daikin indoor units which are DKN compatible, whether S21 or P1P2?
Thank you for the video. I just had installed in my garage an Daikin 18K FTX unit. However unlike your situation, I want the adapter to be the master where i can control Heat/cool from the APP. Is that possible? Secondly, I see the cable is long, does the adapter house the thermostat and bypass the indoor unit thermostat? That way the temp in the upper part of the garage does not influence the settings. I would actually mount the adapter at a lower level. Thank you in advance.
Your unit doesn't come with a stat it uses the built in sensor on the wall head. The hand held that comes with is just a point and shoot set point adjuster. When you add the dkn adaptor you will be able to control mode setpoint on/off and fan speed from the app. You will see return air temp as room temp. If you have a hard wired stat. You'll need to likely unplug it as most indoor models only have 1ea s21 connector slot. The only one with 2ea is the model ending in bxvju
Great question, if I recall that is the 17 seer damage series which did not have any s21 capability. I think that's the model you have. I could be wrong but I'm pretty dang sure the ftxb_ax model is the model nothing is compatible with.
Very helpful video, thank you! But where would you suggest hiding this module? I purchased the AZAI6WSPDKB model (not the Plus) and was barely able to get it to fit under the case of a CTXS07LVJU. That module is slightly too big and causes the case to have bend with a lump at the bottom center. The AZAI6WSPDKC (Plus model) looks even bigger with all those protruding connectors. Where do you recommend installing it? Is there a cavity somewhere that is best suited? For esthetic reasons, I really can't install it outside of the unit without it looking horrible. What would a professional installer do?
Usually I see folks trying to tuck it in the cavity of the unit. The bottom cavity that is. Where the line set and condensate hose are usually tucked into by default from the factory. However as you mentioned, it doesn't always fit well, especially on smaller 7k heads which are tiny. I've been placing it right on top of the unit using 3m to stick it to the wall. Since the wall head is high up usually a few Inches from the ceiling, you cant see it until you're clear across the room. Unless you're really tall which then you can see it close to the unit obviously. Esthetics are always tough, but it's no different than a condensate pump mounted just below the unit (in my opinion). Other than those 2 options I've also seen some folks rarely stick it to the side of the unit too. Obviously it's very noticeable, but sometimes folks just don't care about stuff like that so it's not a big deal. I would suggest test mounting it temporarily and checking with the homeowner how it looks to them. But at the end of the day if it won't fit inside it won't fit inside I would never want to compromise the shell or the unit mounted on the walls integrity just to hide the wifi adaptor.
@@InverterAlways Thanks for the response and suggestions! I was really hoping you had a brilliant place that I was just missing. I'm actually the homeowner, and its being installed at a luxury Airbnb, so esthetics are important. I'll purchase the DKN Plus model and see if I can make something work. Otherwise I might have to get creative with some sort of wall decor to hide it. Any advice on how an end user can get installer pricing on these items in Portland Oregon? I need to buy 7 of them and they aren't cheap!
@@yowzator I totally understand. The Daikin One Smart Thermostat may be a better solution for you then as those have built-in wifi. But they are extremely expensive. Anything you decide to go with will need to be purchased from a contractor though as per most suppliers policy is to only sell to contractors. I can't speak for Oregon though so you can always look around and ask.
@@InverterAlways I'm renting out guest rooms to traveling nurses and each room has a head unit. My guests love that they have full control over their own comfort. But I'm worried what will happen when the weather transitions from cold to hot. Some of them may want to cool, while others want to heat. So I'm not really wanting full centralized control, except that I'd like to be able to automatically manage just the mode of all head units. For instance, when the outdoor temperature reaches some point, all units switch to cooling. Below that temp, they switch to heating. That's all I want -- just to take control of the mode of all units depending on the season. The 5 upstairs guest rooms are on a single outdoor unit and 3 downstairs common areas are on a different outdoor unit with a branch box. I already have Home Assistant installed to manage electronic door locks and lights. My plan is to use an HA integration for Daikin along with an exterior temperature sensor. But I'm open to other ideas.
@@yowzator so you have a few indoor units to control lol, I didn't realize you had quite that many. No matter what you do you'll at least have to install an adaptor of some sort. Intesis has an adaptor that can help integrate your units into a home automation system but, based on past usage of these I've found them cumbersome to set up. And once they are set up it seems to remove lots of control. You may be okay though since all you want to do is switch from heat to cool. Not needing auto is a good thing as that's a feature commonly lost with these. I've also seen it where they get stuck in cooling though so I'm not sure if I would risk it. I think using the dkn modules for 3rd party stat integration is best because you can also use them for bacnet mstp or modbus, which most home automation systems can pull in one of those 2 types of logic. You'd probably want a controls guy who knows your home automation system to come integrate it though. You're still stuck trying to find a place to put them though which is your biggest issue. At the end of the day they might be noticeable but if it provides the best control it may be worth putting them on top of the unit. Shoot you could even lay them down and just have them sit on top of the unit and you'd barely see them at all as they are only an inch thick. Hope that helps get you closer
Does this adapter work with the DZK multizone kit and if so how are zones assigned? For our application, I plan to use an FXSQ indoor unit coupled with the 4 zone DZK kit (P1P2 system in parallel) and was wondering how something like this could be used (or not) alongside those components. Thanks for the great info!
No. Dzk kits are a whole different animal. I need to do a video on them. Their stats take over all daikkn controls. You would think since airzone makes the adaptors and dzk kits it would work but it does not. The dzk stats are programmed specifically for the dzk. No wifi can be added. If you need wifi zoning stats you need to build a custom dzk box. Basically buy individual dampers and wifi stats from airzone to put on the system. Huge pain and totally not worth it in my opinion. Vrv is not designed to be a vav system. Downsize the indoor units and install one indoor for each space if each space needs different set points. Just my opinion here. I'll follow up with a dzk video or dzk series here soon.
@@InverterAlways Appreciate the info. Even my local contractor and their HVAC reps could not get a firm response to me on this regard, so for that, thank you. I would agree -- seems like a big gap in features when you're talking about the full eco system of hardware + software from Airzone. I'm exploring the DKN API documentation to see if there's anything there that allows for addressing specific zones programmatically but it does seem weird that they would leave this out. I'm going to also try to touch base with someone technical at Airzone. Based on your response, I read the DZK as a specific, niche product that is paired to custom t-stats (a master + slaves) but also requires one Daikin Nav t-stat wired in parallel to be able to operate in multi zone mode. Reading this aloud tells me that the product team didn't really think this one through and is a bit hacky, IMO :).
@@sanggria the nav is there for no real purpose other than it has to be for com to work right with the system. It gets totally over written by dzk. If you remove dzk you can add other airzone dampers with their own wifi stats but it's all just separate. Not super user friendly I'm not a fan of the damper style zoning lol
If using on a mini split via s21 you may use this for app control only. On indoors that use p1p2 you generally still need a stat. There are ways to use it without but it requires additional programming in most cases and is ideally used with a stat in the space.
Thank you for your video. For some reason, the app always displays that my home temp is 32 degrees (F), I wonder why that is and if it has any impact on how the unit performs. Thank you very much.
Depending on the indoor unit you have it may be a field setting issue. Have your contractor take a look just to check things out. It should usually display return air or stat temp depending on setup.
@@InverterAlways I found it, thanks so much! Really well made videos. Are doing HVAC work? I noticed the 12 flag in the background so I’m wondering if we are in the same area.
Very helpful, I have 2 units on the third floor of my home - but one question/problem. I still have remotes for each unit that are on the wall in each room. I mostly use the app to control the thermostats but am curious as to whether the remotes override the app or not...I've been playing around with using the remote to see if it registers in the app but doesn't appear to show any changes that I've made on the remote within the app or vice versa. The reason I ask is if a guest stays in the bedroom and wants to adjust the temp...it doesn't appear that they can use the remote to make the changes, right?
You should still be able to use to hand held to adjust setpoint. The hand held will not update if a change is made via the app though because it's send command only. There is nothing that sends any info to a hand held controller. It's point and shoot like a TV remote. It's possible you're not seeing an update because the app setpoint and and hand held setpoint are now different so making a change via the hand held may take a minute for the app to update. I've also seen in some circumstances where the hand held does get disabled internally from the unit when a device is plugged in to s21. Back in the day this was device specific some disabled the hand held some did not. It's possible the dkn now disables the unit, I would have to check this out before I can confirm but if that's what you're seeing than it's probably disabled. So your guest would need to tell you to turn up/down the temp.
Can you please confirm that the “DKN Cloud NA” v 2.2.11 app (over 1 year old) from the Apple Store works for you when using the app to “Configure Unit”, using a iPhone 6s Plus or higher with iOS 15.6.1 or higher installed? It does NOT work for me. Your video suggests that you are doing the setup with an Android phone.
I am using android devices you are correct but the app works on both Apple and Android. I would recommend trying to update the app in case there's an update available. I can reach out to daikin and ask if they know about any ongoing issues but last I heard things were working on both platforms.
@@InverterAlways Thanks so much for the response. I am using the latest version of DKN Cloud NA v2.2.11 from the Canadian Apple online store but it has not been updated by the developer for more than a year and there has been 2 major iOS releases since then. I have tried the iPhone DKN Cloud NA with two different AirZone devices and 2 different iPhones so I have been pretty thorough with my testing. It would not surprise me if the developer has paid littel attention to this as all the reviews on the Apple store are 1 star there does not seem to be much demand for the iPhone version in North America. It would be great to know if anyone has got the DKN Cloud NA v2.2.11 app working recently.
Jon, try deleting the app on your device. Make sure to also delete the saved cache from your device memory. Reinstall the app. Login. Try to set it up again. Sounds like this may be the workaround as daikin has no known issues at this time.
Mystery solved… here is response I finally got from AirZone NA support: “Hello Jon, I did forward your email to R&D team, after a lot of tests they confirmed that the DKNC (plus) is incompatible with iPhone hardware previous to iPhone 7. As the app is common for all the DKN devices and not only for DKN Plus, we cant remove the compatibility from the app store. Ie. a user with iPhone 6 could still use the app with DKN (non plus) device. Thank you for your feedback and we will include anyway a warning on the app store description.” I was using an iPhone 6s Plus so the app installed on the phone but would not work with my Airzone device.
Your instructions are great. However I am having a problem. The adapter was very easy to connect. My unit has the S21 plug on my unit. But when following your instructions it never shows the unit connected. It shows it’s connected Wi-Fi and the cloud but not the indoor unit. What am I doing wrong?
Did you "associate" the unit once you added it to the app? Also did you allow location settings when you first connected? I have heard of this happening a few times now, but have not had this happen to me directly yet. Mine have all gone smoothly. Curious, what is the model number of the Indoor unit?
Daikin FTXS30LVJU Thermostat adapter AZAI6WSPDKC I did associate the unit right as soon as I did the app connect. How do I approve the location? I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong. Is there an additional setting somewhere for this? Is there a cable I’m not connecting? Also I’m not getting the 24 V to adapt my third-party thermostat.
@@skipnardie Sounds like there's been a few issues with S21 connections. I did not realize that you had the 3rd party version either sorry. You will need the S21 cord. You will also need to provide totally separate 24V power to the 3rd party stat. You can take this off line voltage through a transformer if you want. Then run the rest of the wiring down to the stat from the adaptor. In the app you will need to set all the 3rd party stuff up, along with fall back algorythm ETC. But simply just to use it on the Daikin App it's almost entirely plug n play. Are you not seeing it through the Daikin app, or through your Honeywell/Ecobee equivalent app? the location settings is something that pops up usually the first time you open the app. You may be able to allow this in the settings of your phone/device you're using to connect with. I don't think it will matter once it's set up though. The only other thing I can think of if it's completely set up and associated, is try removing it and re-adding it to the app. FYI the unit won't pop up on the 3rd party app until the stat is set up, so if you were using the 3rd party app that's probably what it was. keep me posted.
Do you know of a way to get WiFi support on the Emura? I just bought one of these adapters since it was listed as the replacement for the adapter referenced in the Emura manual, and just now discovering it won’t fit. I guess I could try hunting down one of the old models.
@@AJoshMorrow Daikin supposedly will have a updated WiFi option but right now they only have the version they get from Airzones . It won't fix in the compartment.
@@InverterAlways I sent this video to my installer because he just hasn’t taken the time to learn more about them. I know that sounds bad but he is the only heater installer in our town. Busy guy. He can forward your video to his customers. Good for you and him.
Any information on getting theses onto a BACnet network? We've got a few here on a commercial site but are having issues. all of our settings and address' are good but it seems like were having issues with the wiring
Verify operation on each device first without bacnet connected to ensure indoor is wired and communicating. Then make sure bacnet wiring is correct it is polar sensitive. Then in the dkn app Make sure to set the addreses uniquely no duplicates. Will try to do a video on this.
@@InverterAlways thank you for replying in such a timely manner. We went through these steps already and still no luck. What’s weird to me is that I can find a modbus manual for these, but not a bacnet one? Do you have one? Maybe something that has a points list of some sort?
When you going to make part 2? I'd really apricate if you made part 2 showing the physical hook up / mating of the DKN Plus to a thermostat both Cloud like the ECObee or Honeywell but also to a dumb thermostat. I refer a lot of contractors to your videos now since Daikin has hidden most of their own videos on Daikin City.
@@InverterAlways I'd appreciate that. I've had 4 calls in the last two weeks with contractors trying to hook up with Nest. Tell them no Nest cloud connection but physical should work no problem. They tell me it won't work. I've haven't been able to play with a setup yet on my trainer in my shop.
@@InverterAlways Do you know if accessing the "Field Settings" menu is an option with the DKN Cloud adapter now that it can be used as a stand alone controller or will we still need to attached one of the hardwired controllers like the Nav?
You just run g to g y1 to y1 etc like a normal stat. But you need to run r and c (24v) from a separate power source. I typically take the 208 off the indoor power and install a transformer for that voltage on most models. Then land the rest of your wires. The better way to set it up though is to power it with 24v and just connect through wifi. It'll communicate setpoint mode and room temp through the cloud and give you better control.
Click the 3 lines at top to get the main app menu to pop up. Click manage users. Select your account, then clock the slider that says advanced user then click the check mark in corner to save.
The dkn app shows return temp if you've plugged it into a mini split. This is because that's the temp it uses for control. If its vrv make sure to set the field settings correctly on the stat to send and use the stat temp for control. If its a 3rd party stat you won't be able to get room temp on the daikin app. Use the 3rd party app for that stat for control. Hope this helps.
@@thomasnemerii5659 I was just referring to whichever brand stat you go with. Example if you used a Honeywell t10 then you would use Honeywell home app for control. Since you don't have a stat you will just use the dkn app and it will control off return air.
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Still relevant as of June 2024! Followed these directions and it worked perfectly with my Daikin Mini Split unit and AirZone adapter. Thank you for the comprehensive video! Very helpful.
Nice!! I'm glad things haven't changed too much. I need to go back through and sort of update a ton of videos. Just haven't had time. Glad you got this all dialed in though.
Great video! I'm currently working on a commercial project where we're installing about 30 Daikin minisplits (about 4 different models) all w/ these DKN Plus adapters & integrating them into the BAS. The Daikin literature doesn't provide a lot of details on what to expect or how to wire them up, so this video was very helpful for me to get an idea of what to expect & the app's capabilities. I really appreciate you doing this video as it saved me a lot of time in the field figuring all this out on my own.
Does the Wifi adapt always have to be connected to the unit? If so, how can you dress it up, so no wire is dangling? or a pic please...
Great video as always. Saved me today during a three head airzone add on. Appreciate everything you do my man.
thank you! glad it helped you out. these adaptors are still new so there is tons of stuff i'm sure i don't touch on in the videos, but most of the time it gets you there or at least close enough ;)
Thank you for the video. Did you tuck the WiFi adapter in the unit side part or does the adapter stay outside of the unit? Thanks!
I've seen folks tuck it inside but depending on the install you may not have room. On wall heads I just set it on top usually, unless there's an end user who has an issue with that then you need to get creative. Keep in mind tucking it inside something may affect it's connection strength too though.
@@InverterAlways awesome. That makes sense. Thanks! Turns out I got the wrong WiFi adapter. I have a Daikin Inverter but can’t seem to find the right item on Amazon? Any suggestion where to buy it online?
Dana,
Thank you for your RUclips videos, they have been very informative. You solved a long-standing problem of getting WiFi control of ducted units.
Do you know if it’s possible to connect the Airzone AZWSDAI31E3 Wi-Fi adapter with Daikin’s Mini-Split Wireless interface Adapters on the same app? I now have two very similar apps (DKN Cloud NA and Comfort Control) controlling separate units. It would be great to get them on the same app, without changing the Wi-Fi interface.
Any advice?
Hi Shawn,
Just responded to your email but saw this as well so below is copy/paste for reference.
So the daikin comfort app uses a totally different card. The good news is that you can Install the dkn adaptors I talk about in my video on both mini splits (through s21) and vrv units (p1p2) and add them all to the same app. So no worries there you just have to make sure to order the right cards. There's an s21 adaptor, a p1p2 adaptor, then a 3rd party stat adaptor that can connect to both s21 and p1p2. Obviously you don't have a separate stat here, but I like the 3rd party adaptor personally just so I only have to worry about one skew. It works for wifi control anyways so you don't technically have to add a 3rd party stat to begin with. None the less it's a little more expensive so you can choose whatever adaptor part number fits your unit best. Then put them all on the cloud app.
I'm not familiar with the part number you reference but the part numbers I use on the daikin units are:
AZAI6WSCDKADKN Cloud Wifi Adaptor (for P1P2 connections)
AZAI6WSPDKCDKN Cloud Adaptor (for Modbus and 3rd party stats)
AZAI6WSCDKBDKN Cloud Wifi Adaptor for S21
Just to be clear this is an add on for secondary units in your home ( it wont replace the master?) that has to be nav controller or daikin one right?
Hi, My Airzone adapter stop working after a 15 sec. Electrical failure . Could you be kind anough to tell me what I can do to fix it. Thanks
Electrical issue? Was it already installed or new install? Wired wrong? Hard to say for sure. Have you killed power to check wiring of device and powered unit back on? Maybe the adaptor just failed.
Thank you sir! Needed to know how well it worked before buying!
No problem 👍
Question: Can you use the 3rd party thermostat DKN adapter (AZAI6WSPDKC) on the FDMQ series indoor units. The manual for the FDMQ states compatibility with the P1P2 DKN adapter (AZAAI6WSCDKA). However, perhaps the universal DKN works with all Daikin indoor units which are DKN compatible, whether S21 or P1P2?
Yes it's compatible with any s21 or p1p2 terminal.
Thank you for the video. I just had installed in my garage an Daikin 18K FTX unit. However unlike your situation, I want the adapter to be the master where i can control Heat/cool from the APP. Is that possible? Secondly, I see the cable is long, does the adapter house the thermostat and bypass the indoor unit thermostat? That way the temp in the upper part of the garage does not influence the settings. I would actually mount the adapter at a lower level. Thank you in advance.
Your unit doesn't come with a stat it uses the built in sensor on the wall head. The hand held that comes with is just a point and shoot set point adjuster. When you add the dkn adaptor you will be able to control mode setpoint on/off and fan speed from the app. You will see return air temp as room temp.
If you have a hard wired stat. You'll need to likely unplug it as most indoor models only have 1ea s21 connector slot. The only one with 2ea is the model ending in bxvju
Hello Dana, I have a Daikin Mini Split Model: RXB24AXVJU. Can this model be made WIFI adaptable? Thanks.
Great question, if I recall that is the 17 seer damage series which did not have any s21 capability. I think that's the model you have. I could be wrong but I'm pretty dang sure the ftxb_ax model is the model nothing is compatible with.
Your instructions were clear and direct! Thank you.
Very helpful video, thank you! But where would you suggest hiding this module? I purchased the AZAI6WSPDKB model (not the Plus) and was barely able to get it to fit under the case of a CTXS07LVJU. That module is slightly too big and causes the case to have bend with a lump at the bottom center.
The AZAI6WSPDKC (Plus model) looks even bigger with all those protruding connectors. Where do you recommend installing it? Is there a cavity somewhere that is best suited? For esthetic reasons, I really can't install it outside of the unit without it looking horrible. What would a professional installer do?
Usually I see folks trying to tuck it in the cavity of the unit. The bottom cavity that is. Where the line set and condensate hose are usually tucked into by default from the factory. However as you mentioned, it doesn't always fit well, especially on smaller 7k heads which are tiny. I've been placing it right on top of the unit using 3m to stick it to the wall. Since the wall head is high up usually a few Inches from the ceiling, you cant see it until you're clear across the room. Unless you're really tall which then you can see it close to the unit obviously.
Esthetics are always tough, but it's no different than a condensate pump mounted just below the unit (in my opinion). Other than those 2 options I've also seen some folks rarely stick it to the side of the unit too. Obviously it's very noticeable, but sometimes folks just don't care about stuff like that so it's not a big deal. I would suggest test mounting it temporarily and checking with the homeowner how it looks to them. But at the end of the day if it won't fit inside it won't fit inside I would never want to compromise the shell or the unit mounted on the walls integrity just to hide the wifi adaptor.
@@InverterAlways Thanks for the response and suggestions! I was really hoping you had a brilliant place that I was just missing. I'm actually the homeowner, and its being installed at a luxury Airbnb, so esthetics are important. I'll purchase the DKN Plus model and see if I can make something work. Otherwise I might have to get creative with some sort of wall decor to hide it. Any advice on how an end user can get installer pricing on these items in Portland Oregon? I need to buy 7 of them and they aren't cheap!
@@yowzator I totally understand. The Daikin One Smart Thermostat may be a better solution for you then as those have built-in wifi. But they are extremely expensive. Anything you decide to go with will need to be purchased from a contractor though as per most suppliers policy is to only sell to contractors. I can't speak for Oregon though so you can always look around and ask.
@@InverterAlways I'm renting out guest rooms to traveling nurses and each room has a head unit. My guests love that they have full control over their own comfort. But I'm worried what will happen when the weather transitions from cold to hot. Some of them may want to cool, while others want to heat. So I'm not really wanting full centralized control, except that I'd like to be able to automatically manage just the mode of all head units. For instance, when the outdoor temperature reaches some point, all units switch to cooling. Below that temp, they switch to heating. That's all I want -- just to take control of the mode of all units depending on the season. The 5 upstairs guest rooms are on a single outdoor unit and 3 downstairs common areas are on a different outdoor unit with a branch box. I already have Home Assistant installed to manage electronic door locks and lights. My plan is to use an HA integration for Daikin along with an exterior temperature sensor. But I'm open to other ideas.
@@yowzator so you have a few indoor units to control lol, I didn't realize you had quite that many. No matter what you do you'll at least have to install an adaptor of some sort. Intesis has an adaptor that can help integrate your units into a home automation system but, based on past usage of these I've found them cumbersome to set up. And once they are set up it seems to remove lots of control. You may be okay though since all you want to do is switch from heat to cool. Not needing auto is a good thing as that's a feature commonly lost with these. I've also seen it where they get stuck in cooling though so I'm not sure if I would risk it.
I think using the dkn modules for 3rd party stat integration is best because you can also use them for bacnet mstp or modbus, which most home automation systems can pull in one of those 2 types of logic. You'd probably want a controls guy who knows your home automation system to come integrate it though.
You're still stuck trying to find a place to put them though which is your biggest issue. At the end of the day they might be noticeable but if it provides the best control it may be worth putting them on top of the unit. Shoot you could even lay them down and just have them sit on top of the unit and you'd barely see them at all as they are only an inch thick.
Hope that helps get you closer
Does this adapter work with the DZK multizone kit and if so how are zones assigned? For our application, I plan to use an FXSQ indoor unit coupled with the 4 zone DZK kit (P1P2 system in parallel) and was wondering how something like this could be used (or not) alongside those components. Thanks for the great info!
No. Dzk kits are a whole different animal. I need to do a video on them. Their stats take over all daikkn controls. You would think since airzone makes the adaptors and dzk kits it would work but it does not. The dzk stats are programmed specifically for the dzk. No wifi can be added.
If you need wifi zoning stats you need to build a custom dzk box. Basically buy individual dampers and wifi stats from airzone to put on the system. Huge pain and totally not worth it in my opinion. Vrv is not designed to be a vav system. Downsize the indoor units and install one indoor for each space if each space needs different set points. Just my opinion here. I'll follow up with a dzk video or dzk series here soon.
@@InverterAlways Appreciate the info. Even my local contractor and their HVAC reps could not get a firm response to me on this regard, so for that, thank you. I would agree -- seems like a big gap in features when you're talking about the full eco system of hardware + software from Airzone. I'm exploring the DKN API documentation to see if there's anything there that allows for addressing specific zones programmatically but it does seem weird that they would leave this out. I'm going to also try to touch base with someone technical at Airzone. Based on your response, I read the DZK as a specific, niche product that is paired to custom t-stats (a master + slaves) but also requires one Daikin Nav t-stat wired in parallel to be able to operate in multi zone mode. Reading this aloud tells me that the product team didn't really think this one through and is a bit hacky, IMO :).
@@sanggria the nav is there for no real purpose other than it has to be for com to work right with the system. It gets totally over written by dzk.
If you remove dzk you can add other airzone dampers with their own wifi stats but it's all just separate. Not super user friendly I'm not a fan of the damper style zoning lol
Do you still need a thermostat for this thing? Or is this only to control the unit by your phone.
If using on a mini split via s21 you may use this for app control only. On indoors that use p1p2 you generally still need a stat. There are ways to use it without but it requires additional programming in most cases and is ideally used with a stat in the space.
Thank you for your video. For some reason, the app always displays that my home temp is 32 degrees (F), I wonder why that is and if it has any impact on how the unit performs.
Thank you very much.
Depending on the indoor unit you have it may be a field setting issue. Have your contractor take a look just to check things out. It should usually display return air or stat temp depending on setup.
Thanks for the helpful video! Did you get around to part 2 for setting up third party thermostats? I’d be into watching that one!
I can't remember. I wanna say I did and just didn't call it part 2. I believe it was setting up 3rd party stat.
@@InverterAlways I found it, thanks so much! Really well made videos. Are doing HVAC work? I noticed the 12 flag in the background so I’m wondering if we are in the same area.
Very helpful, I have 2 units on the third floor of my home - but one question/problem. I still have remotes for each unit that are on the wall in each room. I mostly use the app to control the thermostats but am curious as to whether the remotes override the app or not...I've been playing around with using the remote to see if it registers in the app but doesn't appear to show any changes that I've made on the remote within the app or vice versa. The reason I ask is if a guest stays in the bedroom and wants to adjust the temp...it doesn't appear that they can use the remote to make the changes, right?
You should still be able to use to hand held to adjust setpoint. The hand held will not update if a change is made via the app though because it's send command only. There is nothing that sends any info to a hand held controller. It's point and shoot like a TV remote. It's possible you're not seeing an update because the app setpoint and and hand held setpoint are now different so making a change via the hand held may take a minute for the app to update. I've also seen in some circumstances where the hand held does get disabled internally from the unit when a device is plugged in to s21. Back in the day this was device specific some disabled the hand held some did not. It's possible the dkn now disables the unit, I would have to check this out before I can confirm but if that's what you're seeing than it's probably disabled. So your guest would need to tell you to turn up/down the temp.
OUTSTANDING! THANK YOU
Can you please confirm that the “DKN Cloud NA” v 2.2.11 app (over 1 year old) from the Apple Store works for you when using the app to “Configure Unit”, using a iPhone 6s Plus or higher with iOS 15.6.1 or higher installed? It does NOT work for me. Your video suggests that you are doing the setup with an Android phone.
I am using android devices you are correct but the app works on both Apple and Android. I would recommend trying to update the app in case there's an update available. I can reach out to daikin and ask if they know about any ongoing issues but last I heard things were working on both platforms.
@@InverterAlways Thanks so much for the response. I am using the latest version of DKN Cloud NA v2.2.11 from the Canadian Apple online store but it has not been updated by the developer for more than a year and there has been 2 major iOS releases since then. I have tried the iPhone DKN Cloud NA with two different AirZone devices and 2 different iPhones so I have been pretty thorough with my testing. It would not surprise me if the developer has paid littel attention to this as all the reviews on the Apple store are 1 star there does not seem to be much demand for the iPhone version in North America. It would be great to know if anyone has got the DKN Cloud NA v2.2.11 app working recently.
@@jfmorrismusic good to know. Let me do some digging.
Jon, try deleting the app on your device. Make sure to also delete the saved cache from your device memory. Reinstall the app. Login. Try to set it up again. Sounds like this may be the workaround as daikin has no known issues at this time.
Mystery solved… here is response I finally got from AirZone NA support:
“Hello Jon,
I did forward your email to R&D team, after a lot of tests they confirmed that the DKNC (plus) is incompatible with iPhone hardware previous to iPhone 7.
As the app is common for all the DKN devices and not only for DKN Plus, we cant remove the compatibility from the app store. Ie. a user with iPhone 6 could still use the app with DKN (non plus) device.
Thank you for your feedback and we will include anyway a warning on the app store description.”
I was using an iPhone 6s Plus so the app installed on the phone but would not work with my Airzone device.
Your instructions are great. However I am having a problem. The adapter was very easy to connect. My unit has the S21 plug on my unit. But when following your instructions it never shows the unit connected. It shows it’s connected Wi-Fi and the cloud but not the indoor unit. What am I doing wrong?
Did you "associate" the unit once you added it to the app?
Also did you allow location settings when you first connected?
I have heard of this happening a few times now, but have not had this happen to me directly yet. Mine have all gone smoothly.
Curious, what is the model number of the Indoor unit?
Daikin FTXS30LVJU
Thermostat adapter AZAI6WSPDKC
I did associate the unit right as soon as I did the app connect. How do I approve the location?
I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong. Is there an additional setting somewhere for this? Is there a cable I’m not connecting? Also I’m not getting the 24 V to adapt my third-party thermostat.
Is the 24 V from a separate transformer?
@@skipnardie Sounds like there's been a few issues with S21 connections. I did not realize that you had the 3rd party version either sorry. You will need the S21 cord. You will also need to provide totally separate 24V power to the 3rd party stat. You can take this off line voltage through a transformer if you want. Then run the rest of the wiring down to the stat from the adaptor. In the app you will need to set all the 3rd party stuff up, along with fall back algorythm ETC. But simply just to use it on the Daikin App it's almost entirely plug n play. Are you not seeing it through the Daikin app, or through your Honeywell/Ecobee equivalent app?
the location settings is something that pops up usually the first time you open the app. You may be able to allow this in the settings of your phone/device you're using to connect with. I don't think it will matter once it's set up though.
The only other thing I can think of if it's completely set up and associated, is try removing it and re-adding it to the app. FYI the unit won't pop up on the 3rd party app until the stat is set up, so if you were using the 3rd party app that's probably what it was. keep me posted.
@@skipnardie yes, just gave you some additional info in my last comment as well, sorry i just saw this one.
Great video... Biggest thing that upsets my customers is it or the WiFi versions don't fit in the Emura Wi-Fi compartment
Do you know of a way to get WiFi support on the Emura? I just bought one of these adapters since it was listed as the replacement for the adapter referenced in the Emura manual, and just now discovering it won’t fit. I guess I could try hunting down one of the old models.
@@AJoshMorrow Daikin supposedly will have a updated WiFi option but right now they only have the version they get from Airzones . It won't fix in the compartment.
Thank you. Saved me a bunch of time and easy instructions!
Awesome!!! These ones can be tricky so I'm glad this helped.
@@InverterAlways I sent this video to my installer because he just hasn’t taken the time to learn more about them. I know that sounds bad but he is the only heater installer in our town. Busy guy. He can forward your video to his customers. Good for you and him.
@@jeannette543 much appreciated!
will this work with a Daikin aurora series ducted minisplit with 4 zones?
You can use a dkn adaptor yes you'll need one for each indoor.
Any information on getting theses onto a BACnet network? We've got a few here on a commercial site but are having issues. all of our settings and address' are good but it seems like were having issues with the wiring
Verify operation on each device first without bacnet connected to ensure indoor is wired and communicating. Then make sure bacnet wiring is correct it is polar sensitive. Then in the dkn app Make sure to set the addreses uniquely no duplicates.
Will try to do a video on this.
@@InverterAlways thank you for replying in such a timely manner. We went through these steps already and still no luck. What’s weird to me is that I can find a modbus manual for these, but not a bacnet one? Do you have one? Maybe something that has a points list of some sort?
@@Ramiro3594 I'll look and see what I can find. Are you using a bacnet mstp router?
I have a FTX12NMVJU with only a s403 connector, how do I connect this??
You might need to purchase an adaptor to give you the s21 connection. Check with your vendor it would be a krp board part number.
When you going to make part 2? I'd really apricate if you made part 2 showing the physical hook up / mating of the DKN Plus to a thermostat both Cloud like the ECObee or Honeywell but also to a dumb thermostat. I refer a lot of contractors to your videos now since Daikin has hidden most of their own videos on Daikin City.
@@InverterAlways I'd appreciate that. I've had 4 calls in the last two weeks with contractors trying to hook up with Nest. Tell them no Nest cloud connection but physical should work no problem. They tell me it won't work. I've haven't been able to play with a setup yet on my trainer in my shop.
@@InverterAlways Do you know if accessing the "Field Settings" menu is an option with the DKN Cloud adapter now that it can be used as a stand alone controller or will we still need to attached one of the hardwired controllers like the Nav?
Thank you - it helped !!
Glad it helped!
How do I connect 5 wires from ecobee to dkn plus. In addition to, I do not have auto cold heat anymore.
You just run g to g y1 to y1 etc like a normal stat. But you need to run r and c (24v) from a separate power source. I typically take the 208 off the indoor power and install a transformer for that voltage on most models. Then land the rest of your wires. The better way to set it up though is to power it with 24v and just connect through wifi. It'll communicate setpoint mode and room temp through the cloud and give you better control.
The app set me up as a 'Basic' system user. How do I become an 'Advanced' system user?
Click the 3 lines at top to get the main app menu to pop up. Click manage users. Select your account, then clock the slider that says advanced user then click the check mark in corner to save.
How to I get the room temp to display on the app? The app is working well with my system, but room temp isn’t showing up
The dkn app shows return temp if you've plugged it into a mini split. This is because that's the temp it uses for control.
If its vrv make sure to set the field settings correctly on the stat to send and use the stat temp for control.
If its a 3rd party stat you won't be able to get room temp on the daikin app. Use the 3rd party app for that stat for control.
Hope this helps.
@@InverterAlways it isn’t a vrv it is a single split residential. The Dkn plus adapter is connected via s21
@@InverterAlways what is the 3rd party app? I have the Dkn cloud na. It isn’t connected to a thermostat
@@thomasnemerii5659 ah, yes than your unit senses from return air and therefore the dkn app displays return air. That's all you will get.
@@thomasnemerii5659 I was just referring to whichever brand stat you go with. Example if you used a Honeywell t10 then you would use Honeywell home app for control. Since you don't have a stat you will just use the dkn app and it will control off return air.
How do I buy this no purchase option the air zone site
You can buy it through your local vendor if you are a contractor otherwise you need to buy from a contractor if you are the end user.
"you can have any third party thermostat....as long as it's not a nest"
Can't find part 2
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I didnt title it part 2 sorry