By the way, I dont have an apple TV but I am basing this info from how my ipad behaves. I just saw another video saying that the apple TV resamples music unlike the bitperfect iphone or ipad going out to a DAC.
Same, I just did it today and I am so impressed. Just listened to miles Davis -Sketches of Spain and rediscovered the album with nuances I did not hear before
Gene thank you very much for this I’ve been using Apple TV for years and usually I’m pretty thorough in diving into the settings. Unbelievably I missed this. I did switch to lossless and noticed a welcomed difference. Softer but more natural especially in the subtle notes of an orchestra played some music by Fabio Biondi classical and some John williams live in Vienna definitely impressed and improved. Thank you very much for your work. 👍🏻
I've owned the 3rd generation Apple TV for nearly two years, and I didn't know this. I checked, and apple music was not set on lossless audio. Thank you very much!!!
Note that according to Apple any music downloaded BEFORE you switched to Lossless will still be played in AAC Lossy and not Lossless audio. I am told you will have to delete previously downloaded music and re-download to get Lossless files.
Yep, mine was on AAC. Once I switched to lossless suddenly I was hearing stuff from Rick Braun I hadn’t heard before or that had been more muffled. This is great! While I love Spatial Audio I also love soft jazz from the likes of Rick Braun, Boney James & others which is 2 channel and now sounds even better!
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I'm generally an Apple guy, but Apple devices still won't play multi-channel FLAC files bit perfect like I can do with foobar on a Windows or Linux box. So, I still use a mini PC to play my lossless audio files.
@@Audioholics The majority of my multi-channel FLACs are ripped from DVD Audio, SACD, and Blu-ray discs. Another segment of them are old quadrophonic recordings converted to FLAC, some of these transfers are amazing.
I've learned over time that the mastering of the actual music is far more important than bitrate. Now, having just said that Lossless 24bit/48kHz is a huge step up from 256 AAC and is a welcome bit of news.
My GOODNESS!! Thank you Gene. I am a stickler for these things and I simply cannot believe I missed this. You’re right, it’s buried. Thank you for these invaluable tips videos.
Hey Gene .. my audio setting was on "High Quality" which I changed to "Lossless".. Thanks for the video 👍👍 meanwhile, there's a slight modification to be done in your video: its Settings > Apps > Music > Audio Quality .. and not Settings > General > Apps > Music > Audio Quality.
I've used both ATV4K from 2021 to the most recent. HDMI plugged into my Yamaha rx-a4a. AppleTV 4k has never ran sampling above 48KHZ. In addition, Dolby Atmos on ATV 4K streams at 48khz by way of ATMOS/PCM, not Dolby Digital or DD+. However, you could disable Dolby Atmos even is the track is Dolby Atmos, the playback will be 5.1. surround if Dolby Atmos is disabled. By the way, Yamaha does playback 24/48, 24/96 and 24/192 when streaming from Amazon Music through Fire Cube products, Quobuz, and Tidal through Nvidia Shield.
My favorite streamer is the nVIDIA shield, but I also have a second generation Apple TV 4K and last year’s Amazon TV Fire TV 4K. I hope that Apple and Amazon will soon allow their devices to stream lossless audio from movie files as well as music files.
Not sure if it wasn't mentioned somewhere in comments, but there is indeed no streaming service which allows lossless (TrueHD) Dolby Atmos, but there is a streaming device which allows HDMI passthrough and thus TrueHD Dolby Atmos - the Nvidia Shield TV Pro PS: VERY much appreciate the tip, for so long I've apparently been using Apple Music blissfully unaware that this is not the lossless audio I was hoping for !
The AppleTV with Airpod max is pretty awesome for late night movies. It gives you that theater experience with spatial audio. Too bad the Airpod Max does not support lossless audio.
They're! We will just have to wait and hold out for Pro Max 2. The new AirPods Pro 2 (USB-C) version already confirmed having lossless although only for the Vision Pro headset so far, but it will come for sure to Apple TV
One thing I'd argue against is using ethernet with AppleTV. Up until the 4k the ethernet was limited to 100mbps whereas wifi isn't. I assume ethernet would always be more stable, but with a wifi router located near the AppleTV, I see less dropouts and higher speeds with Wifi. On AppleTV 4k ethernet was upgraded to 1000mbps, so ethernet makes sense then.
Great tip! Thanks! Maybe adjust the camera so it's straight ahead/facing you... otherwise it makes you look like a little guy looking up versus the jacked dude we know you are! : ) Thanks again for this video!!
I’m on apple 4K tv using tvos 17.0 3rd..2nd..and a 1st generation and they all read ….as described below… I’m connected but Ethernet gig speed I go to settings…system..menu reads help..what’s new..software updates…reset…and restart If I go to settings…apps…music…options are Home Screen …sound check..see how your data is managed So I don’t think your right… Sent from David A Pilsner
I'm here looking for audio output setup since I don't have HDMI capable amplifier, and there's no audio output from my TV's too, no SPDIF, toslink, aux whatsoever. so what should I do to get lossless audio streamed to my amplifier? are there any other chance beside buying HDMI capable amplifier?
Hi I am new to all the hi-res audio, I have an apple TV 4k but how do I connect it to my audio system? it only has an HDMI output which is connected into my tv, I have a Marantz M-CR612 would connecting my TV trough an optical cable to my receiver work? or do I need to purchase an AV receiver/separator?
The volume is always very low at the beginning of each song on apple music on apple tv 4k. After a few seconds, the volume returns to normal. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks.
With all else equal (Apple music settings etc), will Apple TV 4K provide better sound quality than AirPlay2 via an iPhone - 2 channels music listening?
AirPlay sucks! Apple TV hardwire to your tv is the best way to listen to music. Obviously you need a good sound system. I have the Sonos system. Amazing
So aac tricked a guy who works with audio😁 and ofcourse he hears it gets "better" audio after he see that the settings is changed?? Makes him whery beliveble to me😁👍🏼 go aac👍🏻😊
THANKS for this video. I have changed Apple Music Settings in my. iPad and iPhone but not in. Apple TV. I assume since this is used for Media, they would have done automatically How naive. I changed the seeings. Thanks again
Thanks for this video, I wonder if Apple will ever make any changes to the SW to connect the Apple TV to an external DAC to get the max out of Apple Music subscription. In fact, Apple Music catalogue is full of very hi-res lossless track, but is very unfortunate that the only way to enjoy that quality, as of now, is to connect an iPhone to an external DAC :( Probably this can be also done with an ipad or a MACBook, but I did not have chances to test it out yet.
Thanks for this Gene. Sadly I've stopped using my ATV4K for music because it caps at 24/48 and those of us paying for Apple Music subscriptions know they have plenty of 24/96 and even some 24/192 content. So now when I want to listen to high res lossless, I use my Mac laptop to a Topping DAC and set the output to match the content via the Audio MIDI setup app on MacOS. I really wish Apple would allow their AppleTVs to support up to 24/192 since they have the files on the server. I do continue to use the ATV4K for Atmos music.
I totally agree. It's too bad ATV4K won't even just serve audio greater than 48kHz from a Mac. It's like capping the resolution of streaming video at 720p, or streaming photos at 500kb. Downsampling greater than 48kHz audio is even an unnecessary processing step... all it has to do is push the full resolution audio through the HDMI cable. The only redeeming factor is 16bit/44,100kHz audio is automatically upsampled to 48,000kHz. My workaround is streaming hi-res audio to my oppo disk player at full resolution, which works great though the interface isn't as elegant as the ATV4K. Seems like a missed opportunity for Apple, though it will be a reason to upgrade is they ever enable greater than 48kHz streaming in an updated ATV4K.
@@toneslotohnz4540I’d like 96KHz too, for the last smidge of quality on that rare album actually mastered in high quality, and so I can slow it down and remix it for fun… but it’s seriously not comparable to resolution or lossy compression bitrate. The reason they resample to 48KHz is almost certainly for some DSP, even quite limited. Many AV receivers even at thousands of dollars resample to 48KHz. If you can A/B 48KHz vs 96KHz blind I’ll eat a bushel of bats :) 256kbps vs lossless is much easier and most still can’t do it.
Can you explain what you said in layman’s terms? Want is this topping DAC? And how do you listen from your MacBook? I thought listening to Dolby atmos via Apple TV is the best possible way to get audio to my audio system
Wow, glad I stumbled onto your channel. Now subscribed. In a similar vein, I use my old spare iPhone to extract lossless using Apple’s CCK and a DAC like the Dragonfly. Now with my USB-C iPhone 15, my primary iPhone, how do I do this? I’ve read one article that said I needed to change USB settings or something? As you love Apple Music, I’m hoping you have the answer. Thanks.
Ha, I couldn’t find the setting… then your video “Specified” this is only available to paid, Apple Music subscribers. Would have been nice to know this upfront.
Good post Gene. I've never been an "Apple" guy but did buy an Apple 4k box. They're by far the best game in town if your into Atmos/Spatial/Surround audio. No one else comes close to the library of surround sound music they offer. I still hate their UI, it's way too confusing IMO but hoping for improvement there along with lossless TrueHD Atmos streaming sometime in the future. Sal1950
Pick up an iphone, home pod mini, and a mac computer and watch how they all just work together and their UI becomes easy to understand and very simple. I was a NEVER apple guy at one point but now I have an Macbook Air for my laptop, 5 4k apple tvs, iPhone, two iPads, two home pods and a mac mini. (2 apple tv's and one iPad are for my store) but they all just work together.
As an audiophile, what do you use to convert the audio to speakers? I noticed Apple TV doesn't have an audio output. So you're dependent on the DAC from your tv? Or are there other options?
BS. I aint paying Apple for anything monthly. Tim Cook turned Apple into a monthly subscription or it wont work company. Anyone think Steve Jobs ever would have allowed this? What happened to syncing our iPhones with a wire? Tim Cook happened to it!
No, I found it right away because I trust then verify, lol. But I must say that Apple Music on Apple TV is by far my favorite way to listen to music in my home theater whether it is in Atmos or not. I have about 8000 songs on my NAS in FLAC and still prefer the Apple TV/Music. Music and Apple TV+ are all I use the Aplle TV (gen 3) for. I use the Nvidia Shield Pro for all my other streaming and the Ziddo Z9X Pro for all my local NAS movies.
On my AppleTV 4K updated to the last firmware version 17. whatever I don't get that option for Audio like Audio Quality, there's only Sound Check and that's it! So I'm wondering what are you talking about and which location this works?
So when you said AppleTV 3rd Gen, I thought you were literally talking about a 3rd Gen AppleTV with Toslink output. So the only setting on that one is 16 bit or auto. It is running its max AppleTV OS 7.9. I do have a 3rd Gen AppleTV 4k but my two-channel audio system doesn't have HDMI. I'm planning to get a proper streamer in the future, but for now, I switch between the AppleTV with Toslink output, to the Toslink input on my DAC and a 2016 Macbook Air running Audivrana output via USB A to USB B of the same DAC. I use Airplay for sending music from my iphone to the AppleTV and I use the Audivrana app on my iphone to control Audivrana on the MacBook. The UI of Audivrana is not very good for getting what I can get from the Tidal app, such as suggested mixes, etc. but I THINK the sound is better. Really tough to say with the sound quality, but theoretically, which should produce the better audio quality? AppleTV via Toslink or MacBook Air via USB?
I have been using this settings for the past 1 year probably more but still doesn’t invalidate the fact that you can’t do high resolution audio that extends the sound over 48Khz and 24bits, not many titles have this but not sure why they are limiting it considering that hdmi can carry way more data than it’s needed, I won’t even go dsd sources.
So how do you know if your music is in fact outputting at 48bit/48khz. If you do not have a dac that actually displays the output you won’t know what is outputting from Apple. If it’s an older AirPlay it will default to AAC so hardwired only for 2 channel.
Thanks, Gene! ;-) I spent an hour trying to find those settings. I could not figure out why i could not find the settings / why it did not work. Turns out that it only applies to the Apple TV 4K. ;-) I always wonder why i never have the functionality what RUclipsrs talk about. Apparently i always have an older device than the RUclipsrs have (at least one generation behind > Apple TV HD). Going to buy an Apple TV 4K 6 128Gb tomorrow. Done with being behind... ;-)
Agreed, thanks Gene. Embarrassed to say I missed that setting, on both of my AppleTVs ... I did take your suggestion, paused your video, and went and checked both of my systems (was in the middle of my breakfast at the time, Ha!). I was focused during setup to ensure the AppleTVs were set to support Dolby ATMOS and forgot about making this setting change. Thanks again.
Thanks Gene, I did go and check on it, but fortunately, I trust my past self, and when I went and looked, it was already set to lossless, had no clue about the YPAO and Anthem being the only 2 corrections that did not lock what your playing at 48kz. Cool deal. A6A owner hear.
Whats an AVR? How do you connect the hdmi to your stereo? (rca conectors only). Will my old purchased itunes tracks become losless HD? Isnt HDMI meant for a screen? I only want the music and not to have a screen turned on if its only music.
Stopped watching when he claimed Ethernet will increase video and audio quality. 😂. Bandwidth is bandwidth, you either have it or you don’t, the last leg of transmission isn’t going to change that. Stating you need a given internet connection would have been accurate, but wireless and Ethernet will have the EXACT SAME audio and video quality for the same internet connection.
Great tips. Mine of course was set to the AAC default. I’ll bet Apple defaults to lower setting in some “what’s best for the average consumer” in terms of data usage and that most 🍏TV users probably don’t have equipment where it would make a big deference to non-audiophiles.
It’s a vanishingly small portion of the population who can blind A/B 256kbps AAC or Vorbis vs lossless even when they hunt for it. Honestly a sane default.
I am an android user but I am quite interested in what you mentioned about atmos on apple music. I would love to know if the atmos on apple music is only 2 channel sound with height? Or is it mutli channel audio? Also what is the best way to use this? This apple box?
Very informative. This was hidden setting i didn’t know off. Now it is working loss less is very good for most people hearing. High res is hyped too much then it should
What I find interesting is that my Apple TV always output 48Khz audio like you say right up until TVOS 17. It’s weird, but now my connected Yamaha Aventage shows the Apple TV sending 44.1Khz across a number of apps including Music. It seems like they changed something
Running things direct from the tv seems far more simple I have apple amazon etc apps on the tv set its self and the tv is set to pass through presto no stupid issues
I think you should change the title to reflect who this is really for. No apple music subsciption, no lossless audio. It's a little decieveing, since its not something everyone can get.
Also make sure sound check is off. This is critical for sound quality. Sometimes music clips with soundcheck on since this is just the same as normalize. DYNAMIC RANGE is ruined with sound check ON
I have a Sony atmos soundbar with rear speakers HTA3000 connected to a Sony TV 65X80L and I’m an Apple Music subscriber. Planning to buy an Apple TV. my question is since my soundbar has only one input hdmi connection , I’ll have to connect the Apple TV to my tv. Will the lossless audio pass through to my soundbar.
Apple does give you Dolby Atmos on any app that supports it. It's in Dolby MAT form but essentially the same thing. It's lossy on every streaming device including Nvidia.
lossless audio of likes unless you listen to star trek laserdisc originals , but guess can't afford proper Dolby Stereo CP processors those are far too advanced for a star treker , for theatrical mixes , dolby atmos is near field may as well be dolby true , dolby lieshd lossless audio , you actually beleive the snake oil bs , its rotten near field stinking mixes , skywalker sound bs atmos , yeah , that guy disney mixes yeah keep on listening to near field mixes lol
Whether you can hear 48khz or higher isn't the issue. The 'issue' is that Apple do offer higher but it's extremly tough to extract. Rather than allowing native Apple Music via 3rd parties, Apple push you to AirPlay which limits what they offer. NAIM, Meridian,Denon, Marantz, WIIM, NAD, BlueOS , Cambridge can't get the highst quality out of Apple ?
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correction at 4:00 Settings -> Apps -> Music -> Audio Quality
By the way, I dont have an apple TV but I am basing this info from how my ipad behaves. I just saw another video saying that the apple TV resamples music unlike the bitperfect iphone or ipad going out to a DAC.
Same, I just did it today and I am so impressed. Just listened to miles Davis -Sketches of Spain and rediscovered the album with nuances I did not hear before
Took me a second, but I figured it out.
Hey, what means asme? Did you mean asno?
Gene thank you very much for this I’ve been using Apple TV for years and usually I’m pretty thorough in diving into the settings. Unbelievably I missed this. I did switch to lossless and noticed a welcomed difference. Softer but more natural especially in the subtle notes of an orchestra played some music by Fabio Biondi classical and some John williams live in Vienna definitely impressed and improved. Thank you very much for your work. 👍🏻
I've owned the 3rd generation Apple TV for nearly two years, and I didn't know this. I checked, and apple music was not set on lossless audio. Thank you very much!!!
Note that according to Apple any music downloaded BEFORE you switched to Lossless will still be played in AAC Lossy and not Lossless audio. I am told you will have to delete previously downloaded music and re-download to get Lossless files.
Yep, mine was on AAC. Once I switched to lossless suddenly I was hearing stuff from Rick Braun I hadn’t heard before or that had been more muffled.
This is great! While I love Spatial Audio I also love soft jazz from the likes of Rick Braun, Boney James & others which is 2 channel and now sounds even better!
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Wow! Thank you for this information. I had no idea. I also checked iPhone and iPad and it was the same.
Thanks, Gene. I just updated to "Lossless".
I think your instructions to make the Settings change are incorrect. It is Settings/Apps/Music/Audio Quality. Thanks for the video.
Yea ignore "System" seems like a typo.
I'm generally an Apple guy, but Apple devices still won't play multi-channel FLAC files bit perfect like I can do with foobar on a Windows or Linux box. So, I still use a mini PC to play my lossless audio files.
interesting. where are you acquiring multi-ch flac files? I've tried using JRiver for this but been unsuccessful.
@@Audioholics The majority of my multi-channel FLACs are ripped from DVD Audio, SACD, and Blu-ray discs. Another segment of them are old quadrophonic recordings converted to FLAC, some of these transfers are amazing.
Thank you, it was not set to lossless, this is kinda bogus of Apple to bury this, still love ‘‘em but come on’
I've learned over time that the mastering of the actual music is far more important than bitrate. Now, having just said that Lossless 24bit/48kHz is a huge step up from 256 AAC and is a welcome bit of news.
My GOODNESS!! Thank you Gene. I am a stickler for these things and I simply cannot believe I missed this. You’re right, it’s buried. Thank you for these invaluable tips videos.
If you have an “Apple TV 4K” first gen on iOS 17 .. your settings apps music screen DOES NOT have these settings
Where are the settings then TvOs17?
I just checked. Mine doesn’t have it
Hey Gene .. my audio setting was on "High Quality" which I changed to "Lossless".. Thanks for the video 👍👍
meanwhile, there's a slight modification to be done in your video: its Settings > Apps > Music > Audio Quality .. and not Settings > General > Apps > Music > Audio Quality.
Hey Gene, in Step 3 you can take out “system”, can just go settings to apps to music then audio quality
Thanks so much!! I wasn’t aware of this. What a huge difference in sound quality
Thanks Gene, probably would not have found this myself.
Yikes, not all of my Apple TVs were set correctly. Thanks for the tip!
Very helpful video. I Was searching for this setting for weeks. Apple has no official video on this😢. Thank you.
Thanks, Gene! Didn’t realize I was streaming lossy music. Made a big difference in my system.
Gene! Thank you. I was at Lossy and I didn’t know of this setting. Now it’s time to listen to music for the rest of the day. 😂
Kinda ironic that there’s a bunch of people who didn’t know they weren’t listening to lossless audio. 😅
You'd likely be one of them if you're an AppleTV user. Your welcome.
AAC is a very good (albeit lossy) codec. Many would have trouble telling difference between AAC and CD. and then there’s the equipment 😁
That’s how you know it’s all in your head lol
Man I’m glad I found this video I really don’t know. I’m an audiophile too and was wondering when we’d get lossless audio support.
I've used both ATV4K from 2021 to the most recent. HDMI plugged into my Yamaha rx-a4a. AppleTV 4k has never ran sampling above 48KHZ. In addition, Dolby Atmos on ATV 4K streams at 48khz by way of ATMOS/PCM, not Dolby Digital or DD+. However, you could disable Dolby Atmos even is the track is Dolby Atmos, the playback will be 5.1. surround if Dolby Atmos is disabled. By the way, Yamaha does playback 24/48, 24/96 and 24/192 when streaming from Amazon Music through Fire Cube products, Quobuz, and Tidal through Nvidia Shield.
Great video, didn't know that about audio quality!!! It's well hidden 🤬... totally agree about Apple TV4K it's a great streamer 👍
Wasn't on and I feel better about choosing an Anthem 710 a few years ago as my receiver!! Thanks!!
My favorite streamer is the nVIDIA shield, but I also have a second generation Apple TV 4K and last year’s Amazon TV Fire TV 4K. I hope that Apple and Amazon will soon allow their devices to stream lossless audio from movie files as well as music files.
Not sure if it wasn't mentioned somewhere in comments, but there is indeed no streaming service which allows lossless (TrueHD) Dolby Atmos, but there is a streaming device which allows HDMI passthrough and thus TrueHD Dolby Atmos - the Nvidia Shield TV Pro
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VERY much appreciate the tip, for so long I've apparently been using Apple Music blissfully unaware that this is not the lossless audio I was hoping for !
The AppleTV with Airpod max is pretty awesome for late night movies. It gives you that theater experience with spatial audio. Too bad the Airpod Max does not support lossless audio.
They're! We will just have to wait and hold out for Pro Max 2. The new AirPods Pro 2 (USB-C) version already confirmed having lossless although only for the Vision Pro headset so far, but it will come for sure to Apple TV
One thing I'd argue against is using ethernet with AppleTV. Up until the 4k the ethernet was limited to 100mbps whereas wifi isn't. I assume ethernet would always be more stable, but with a wifi router located near the AppleTV, I see less dropouts and higher speeds with Wifi. On AppleTV 4k ethernet was upgraded to 1000mbps, so ethernet makes sense then.
Yea I use 1gbps ethernet at my place.
@@Audioholics Me too! I was annoyed when I discovered this, but I haven't upgraded to a 4k AppleTV yet to get that sweet, sweet 1000Mbps
I'll also add that on AppleTV Model A1625 Non-4k, the Lossless option does appear in Settings even if you have updated to TVOS17.
Great tip! Thanks! Maybe adjust the camera so it's straight ahead/facing you... otherwise it makes you look like a little guy looking up versus the jacked dude we know you are! : ) Thanks again for this video!!
I’m on apple 4K tv using tvos 17.0 3rd..2nd..and a 1st generation and they all read ….as described below…
I’m connected but Ethernet gig speed
I go to settings…system..menu reads help..what’s new..software updates…reset…and restart
If I go to settings…apps…music…options are Home Screen …sound check..see how your data is managed
So I don’t think your right…
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Jus yesterday, I put Amazon music and Sirius in my Apple TV. I didn't listen to my Apple Music, but I'm certainly going to look into this.
I'm here looking for audio output setup since I don't have HDMI capable amplifier, and there's no audio output from my TV's too, no SPDIF, toslink, aux whatsoever. so what should I do to get lossless audio streamed to my amplifier? are there any other chance beside buying HDMI capable amplifier?
Hi I am new to all the hi-res audio, I have an apple TV 4k but how do I connect it to my audio system? it only has an HDMI output which is connected into my tv, I have a Marantz M-CR612 would connecting my TV trough an optical cable to my receiver work? or do I need to purchase an AV receiver/separator?
Thanks for this video. It worked for me and now am set to lossless
The volume is always very low at the beginning of each song on apple music on apple tv 4k. After a few seconds, the volume returns to normal. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks.
With all else equal (Apple music settings etc), will Apple TV 4K provide better sound quality than AirPlay2 via an iPhone - 2 channels music listening?
AirPlay sucks! Apple TV hardwire to your tv is the best way to listen to music. Obviously you need a good sound system. I have the Sonos system. Amazing
So aac tricked a guy who works with audio😁 and ofcourse he hears it gets "better" audio after he see that the settings is changed?? Makes him whery beliveble to me😁👍🏼 go aac👍🏻😊
THANKS for this video. I have changed Apple Music Settings in my. iPad and iPhone but not in. Apple TV. I assume since this is used for Media, they would have done automatically How naive. I changed the seeings. Thanks again
Thanks for this video, I wonder if Apple will ever make any changes to the SW to connect the Apple TV to an external DAC to get the max out of Apple Music subscription. In fact, Apple Music catalogue is full of very hi-res lossless track, but is very unfortunate that the only way to enjoy that quality, as of now, is to connect an iPhone to an external DAC :(
Probably this can be also done with an ipad or a MACBook, but I did not have chances to test it out yet.
Thanks for this Gene. Sadly I've stopped using my ATV4K for music because it caps at 24/48 and those of us paying for Apple Music subscriptions know they have plenty of 24/96 and even some 24/192 content. So now when I want to listen to high res lossless, I use my Mac laptop to a Topping DAC and set the output to match the content via the Audio MIDI setup app on MacOS. I really wish Apple would allow their AppleTVs to support up to 24/192 since they have the files on the server. I do continue to use the ATV4K for Atmos music.
I totally agree. It's too bad ATV4K won't even just serve audio greater than 48kHz from a Mac. It's like capping the resolution of streaming video at 720p, or streaming photos at 500kb. Downsampling greater than 48kHz audio is even an unnecessary processing step... all it has to do is push the full resolution audio through the HDMI cable. The only redeeming factor is 16bit/44,100kHz audio is automatically upsampled to 48,000kHz. My workaround is streaming hi-res audio to my oppo disk player at full resolution, which works great though the interface isn't as elegant as the ATV4K. Seems like a missed opportunity for Apple, though it will be a reason to upgrade is they ever enable greater than 48kHz streaming in an updated ATV4K.
@@toneslotohnz4540I’d like 96KHz too, for the last smidge of quality on that rare album actually mastered in high quality, and so I can slow it down and remix it for fun… but it’s seriously not comparable to resolution or lossy compression bitrate. The reason they resample to 48KHz is almost certainly for some DSP, even quite limited. Many AV receivers even at thousands of dollars resample to 48KHz. If you can A/B 48KHz vs 96KHz blind I’ll eat a bushel of bats :) 256kbps vs lossless is much easier and most still can’t do it.
Can you explain what you said in layman’s terms? Want is this topping DAC? And how do you listen from your MacBook? I thought listening to Dolby atmos via Apple TV is the best possible way to get audio to my audio system
Wow, glad I stumbled onto your channel. Now subscribed.
In a similar vein, I use my old spare iPhone to extract lossless using Apple’s CCK and a DAC like the Dragonfly.
Now with my USB-C iPhone 15, my primary iPhone, how do I do this? I’ve read one article that said I needed to change USB settings or something? As you love Apple Music, I’m hoping you have the answer.
Thanks.
Ha, I couldn’t find the setting… then your video “Specified” this is only available to paid, Apple Music subscribers. Would have been nice to know this upfront.
Good post Gene. I've never been an "Apple" guy but did buy an Apple 4k box. They're by far the best game in town if your into Atmos/Spatial/Surround audio. No one else comes close to the library of surround sound music they offer. I still hate their UI, it's way too confusing IMO but hoping for improvement there along with lossless TrueHD Atmos streaming sometime in the future.
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Pick up an iphone, home pod mini, and a mac computer and watch how they all just work together and their UI becomes easy to understand and very simple. I was a NEVER apple guy at one point but now I have an Macbook Air for my laptop, 5 4k apple tvs, iPhone, two iPads, two home pods and a mac mini. (2 apple tv's and one iPad are for my store) but they all just work together.
Thanks Gene! Great Info as always...
As an audiophile, what do you use to convert the audio to speakers? I noticed Apple TV doesn't have an audio output. So you're dependent on the DAC from your tv? Or are there other options?
BS. I aint paying Apple for anything monthly. Tim Cook turned Apple into a monthly subscription or it wont work company. Anyone think Steve Jobs ever would have allowed this? What happened to syncing our iPhones with a wire? Tim Cook happened to it!
No, I found it right away because I trust then verify, lol. But I must say that Apple Music on Apple TV is by far my favorite way to listen to music in my home theater whether it is in Atmos or not. I have about 8000 songs on my NAS in FLAC and still prefer the Apple TV/Music. Music and Apple TV+ are all I use the Aplle TV (gen 3) for. I use the Nvidia Shield Pro for all my other streaming and the Ziddo Z9X Pro for all my local NAS movies.
On my AppleTV 4K updated to the last firmware version 17. whatever I don't get that option for Audio like Audio Quality, there's only Sound Check and that's it! So I'm wondering what are you talking about and which location this works?
So when you said AppleTV 3rd Gen, I thought you were literally talking about a 3rd Gen AppleTV with Toslink output. So the only setting on that one is 16 bit or auto. It is running its max AppleTV OS 7.9. I do have a 3rd Gen AppleTV 4k but my two-channel audio system doesn't have HDMI. I'm planning to get a proper streamer in the future, but for now, I switch between the AppleTV with Toslink output, to the Toslink input on my DAC and a 2016 Macbook Air running Audivrana output via USB A to USB B of the same DAC. I use Airplay for sending music from my iphone to the AppleTV and I use the Audivrana app on my iphone to control Audivrana on the MacBook. The UI of Audivrana is not very good for getting what I can get from the Tidal app, such as suggested mixes, etc. but I THINK the sound is better. Really tough to say with the sound quality, but theoretically, which should produce the better audio quality? AppleTV via Toslink or MacBook Air via USB?
Will lossless work if I connect Apple TV gen 3 to Samsung TV and then Samsung TV to AVR over HDMI eArc? Thanks
I have been using this settings for the past 1 year probably more but still doesn’t invalidate the fact that you can’t do high resolution audio that extends the sound over 48Khz and 24bits, not many titles have this but not sure why they are limiting it considering that hdmi can carry way more data than it’s needed, I won’t even go dsd sources.
If you use Apple Homepods you can get 24/48 from the Apple TV over Airplay
Gene, with the latest ATV iOS update, are there any new setting recommendations for lossless audio AND video?
What I am unsure of is if you send music (using Apple Music set to lossless) from an iPhone to the Apple TV does it remain lossless?
So how do you know if your music is in fact outputting at 48bit/48khz. If you do not have a dac that actually displays the output you won’t know what is outputting from Apple. If it’s an older AirPlay it will default to AAC so hardwired only for 2 channel.
Thank you Gene! Now my 2 Channel stuff with DOLBY PL-II sounds better than Apple’s Spatial Audio - which I thought was the cream of the crop! Wow!
According to Apple, the HomePod supports lossless. What about playing Apple Music from Apple TV to HomePod?
Thanks, Gene! ;-)
I spent an hour trying to find those settings. I could not figure out why i could not find the settings / why it did not work. Turns out that it only applies to the Apple TV 4K. ;-)
I always wonder why i never have the functionality what RUclipsrs talk about. Apparently i always have an older device than the RUclipsrs have (at least one generation behind > Apple TV HD). Going to buy an Apple TV 4K 6 128Gb tomorrow. Done with being behind... ;-)
If I have audio through an optical cable connected through my TV, would I still get 24 bit/48khz from my Apple TV?
Agreed, thanks Gene. Embarrassed to say I missed that setting, on both of my AppleTVs ... I did take your suggestion, paused your video, and went and checked both of my systems (was in the middle of my breakfast at the time, Ha!). I was focused during setup to ensure the AppleTVs were set to support Dolby ATMOS and forgot about making this setting change. Thanks again.
Thanks Gene, I did go and check on it, but fortunately, I trust my past self, and when I went and looked, it was already set to lossless, had no clue about the YPAO and Anthem being the only 2 corrections that did not lock what your playing at 48kz. Cool deal. A6A owner hear.
Whats an AVR? How do you connect the hdmi to your stereo? (rca conectors only). Will my old purchased itunes tracks become losless HD? Isnt HDMI meant for a screen? I only want the music and not to have a screen turned on if its only music.
Stopped watching when he claimed Ethernet will increase video and audio quality. 😂. Bandwidth is bandwidth, you either have it or you don’t, the last leg of transmission isn’t going to change that. Stating you need a given internet connection would have been accurate, but wireless and Ethernet will have the EXACT SAME audio and video quality for the same internet connection.
Changing it to lossless is the first thing I did when I finally bought my first Apple TV last year
Great tips. Mine of course was set to the AAC default.
I’ll bet Apple defaults to lower setting in some “what’s best for the average consumer” in terms of data usage and that most 🍏TV users probably don’t have equipment where it would make a big deference to non-audiophiles.
It’s a vanishingly small portion of the population who can blind A/B 256kbps AAC or Vorbis vs lossless even when they hunt for it. Honestly a sane default.
I am an android user but I am quite interested in what you mentioned about atmos on apple music. I would love to know if the atmos on apple music is only 2 channel sound with height? Or is it mutli channel audio? Also what is the best way to use this? This apple box?
Fantastic! Thank you! I didn’t know till you making this video.
Mmmmm
Maybe that’s why I gave up Apple Music via my LG tv because it sucked… the life out of the music. One more try or just stick to Tidal?
I cannot believe I didn’t know this. I have lossless downloads but never changed the Music setting.
Thanks Gene! Much appreciated!!!
I don’t see any audio quality setting in Apple Music app. I did change it in the main settings and Music now claims Lossless.
Very informative. This was hidden setting i didn’t know off. Now it is working loss less is very good for most people hearing. High res is hyped too much then it should
What I find interesting is that my Apple TV always output 48Khz audio like you say right up until TVOS 17. It’s weird, but now my connected Yamaha Aventage shows the Apple TV sending 44.1Khz across a number of apps including Music. It seems like they changed something
For the purists out there, the audio is not bitperfect as Apple TV upsamples content to 48Khz.
Too bad Apple TV maximum is 24/48 even after the setting
Does this work with the Apple TV app and music app on the PlayStation 5
Thank you for this video! I didn’t know I needed this and it’s been such a treat listening to 2ch music since this video. 🎉
Thanks again! Love y’all’s channel, always giving great tips.
Apple TV gen 3 optical out put does not support Apple Music or iCloud Iv been there
Running things direct from the tv seems far more simple I have apple amazon etc apps on the tv set its self and the tv is set to pass through presto no stupid issues
Well I’ll be damned. Thank you sir! Can’t wait to try it on my Sonos
Wait... the 4k 2nd/3rd Gen do NOT have SPDF/Optical out - so ... now way to do this with a no-TV Audio only system...
Correct, you need HDMI.
majority of songs are in 48khz? not all?
Gene, you are a genius 😃. Thanks
I have Apple TV and two HomePods. So it isn’t doing me any good ?
I think you should change the title to reflect who this is really for. No apple music subsciption, no lossless audio. It's a little decieveing, since its not something everyone can get.
pretty sure that was obvious
There is no audio output on the appleTV so cannot connect an amp or speakers to it
Also make sure sound check is off. This is critical for sound quality. Sometimes music clips with soundcheck on since this is just the same as normalize. DYNAMIC RANGE is ruined with sound check ON
doesn't work for music videos, only music.
Dynamic range will NEVER be affected with normalize. this is basic audio learning.
@@ravithompson1082 so I'm not sure that souncheck is exactly the same as normalize then
Sound Check just adjusts volume, it does nothing with dynamic range.
Gene, what are your thoughts on Sound Check on or off? Do you think it will reduce dynamic range?
Leave it off.
I think the Apple TV sounds as good as the eversolo a6
Wonderful thank you so much 😊
I have a Sony atmos soundbar with rear speakers HTA3000 connected to a Sony TV 65X80L and I’m an Apple Music subscriber. Planning to buy an Apple TV. my question is since my soundbar has only one input hdmi connection , I’ll have to connect the Apple TV to my tv. Will the lossless audio pass through to my soundbar.
Yea it should
Thanks for the info great informative video
WTF - got tricked as well. Thanks!!!
The subscription can be paired with you when poke is his
Thanks for that info my box is now so much more smoote
Until they give me Dolby Atmos pass thru for video apps I switched back to my Shield Pro … which is a shame as I like the ATV4K
Apple does give you Dolby Atmos on any app that supports it. It's in Dolby MAT form but essentially the same thing. It's lossy on every streaming device including Nvidia.
You must turn off Dolby atmos in the music app
lossless audio of likes unless you listen to star trek laserdisc originals , but guess can't afford proper Dolby Stereo CP processors those are far too advanced for a star treker , for theatrical mixes , dolby atmos is near field may as well be dolby true , dolby lieshd lossless audio , you actually beleive the snake oil bs , its rotten near field stinking mixes , skywalker sound bs atmos , yeah , that guy disney mixes
yeah keep on listening to near field mixes lol
This sounds like Andy Summers. New account?
Whether you can hear 48khz or higher isn't the issue. The 'issue' is that Apple do offer higher but it's extremly tough to extract. Rather than allowing native Apple Music via 3rd parties, Apple push you to AirPlay which limits what they offer. NAIM, Meridian,Denon, Marantz, WIIM, NAD, BlueOS , Cambridge can't get the highst quality out of Apple ?