well its normal, Devs make games for platform where there are lots of consumers. They want too make money. They dont make game for platforms with few people on
@@mrbob4104 And they should absolutely do so. They aren’t in the business of dev for fun. Ironically. They need a return on their investment in order to make more games in the future. It blows me away that the hardcore PCVR community doesn’t seem to understand that
@theassassin2709 yeah but spend a $1K for PSVR2 & PS5 or Quest3 vs PC which requires Thousands & more Thousands just to run them & that's not the with cost of pcvr headset added.
Great points. I'm with you in the PCVR preference. While I'm impressed with what the Quest 2 can do, I really still prefer all the graphics and smoothness capabilities of PC, so I use my Quest 2 with link 90% of the time. I'm ok with the cable, and also have a better time using it than trying Airlink or Virt. Desktop.
I wouldn't be playing anything but PC vr. As long as the Quest 3 can be used with the link cable to play steam based games for PC vr then there isn't really a problem. Many people will still have the VIVE, or the Rift-S (as I do) so upgrading may be a good option at a decent price. If Meta keeps insisting on mobile headset games only then they won't be getting any of my money, and if all gamers feel the same then Meta will get the message sooner or later. I don't understand why developers don't develop their AAA games for flat screen but with VR options. It can't be that hard as we see many VR mods that do just that.
I'll just stick to my psvr2 I own a quest 2 and I will be upgrading to the quest 3 when it releases but only for the games that are not coming to psvr2....
I’m more excited for the 120 hz refresh rate…none of my friends and family can tolerate the 90hz….hopefully they feel better with 120hz, if not hopefully when 240hz lenses are in vr headsets
I really can't see it being a problem. Any game that comes out for standalone is going to have poor graphics. Let the kids and grandparents play it. Serious gamers are still going to want high fidelity graphics and response times and you can't get that without serious hardware. Pretty sure there are many games that will never be available on console because of the sheer grunt that's needed to run them. How many top end flight simulators are there on console? How many good mil-sims? Until we can miniaturise a current gen RTX card into something that can be worn, then I really don't think all developers are going to settle for making mediocre games. If a developer is just going for the money, then is their game really worth playing?
I only play pcvr, I'm playing skyrim vr again and again some onward until Valve release something Or UEVR mod get released. Since Meta is trying to kill pcvr I'm not giving them a dime either on software or hardware. My next headset is valve Deckard or somnium vr or Pico 5 pro with native pc.
Half-life Alyx is a 1 hit wonder, hear its Good but if you can afford all that then buying a Q3 & VR2 aka PSVR2 should easily be able to buy. Unlike Most whom can't afford a PC or not interested in PC. Thousands vs $1,000 & less. Most us folks from Atari & Arcade Era 80's-early90's kids are More Grateful just to Experience decent & Great VR like RE8 & etc. VR2 is Fun & Awesomeness = VR is now. Still don't get why they blame us on PSVR2 channels, platform of our choice. Same as u chosen a preference, i like my friends Q3. Quest3 mixed reality is sweet. We wanna have more multiplayer/Co-op to play our VR'S together; plus its better to make bigger player base. Also do u watch GingaVR? Skyrim with ChatGpt. If not check her out, she has PCVR
you can not make pcvr first and then downgrade , because then you need to make sure art and similar stuff run fine, or you will get onward situation, in general i see your point is not like a VR users, but more or less pcvr elitist view, and you need to understand you are like 0.5% of market , in pcvr space 80% of peoples use something like 1650 and in this case standalone will look better, and support needed for pcvr just cost so much , i am dev and i literally will not make pcvr port of my games, not only pcvr do not have features i need, but support cost will not pay for a price i need to sell it
Have you seen the universal VR mod being put together by Praydog? They say it'll make it easy to convert any games made on Unreal Engine 4 or 5 into VR. I think that could maybe be a game changer.
I agree. And a pc isn't the same price as new Ferrari. Everything is expensive when you are a kid. Hate those elite pcvr name calling. My pc cost 1200 bucks. While the new quest 3 256 gig is 600 bucks amd with facecover and headstrap replacement its 750 bucks.
The main problem I have whenever a game doesn't come to PC, VR or otherwise, isn't their graphical fidelity, I couldn't give less of a crap about that. It's thinking about their long term preservation. Unless someone wants to develop a quest 2 and 3 emulator that works with SteamVR (or better, an open source standard that runs VR headsets which doesn't exist yet), you will not get to play Quest games in 20 years the way that I can play literally anything from the early 2000s, console or otherwise. Resident Evil 4 VR, as in the Quest 2 port of the original gamecube one, not the remake, _will_ be lost to time once backwards compatibility for that game becomes deprecated, and they _will_ deprecate it if Meta's attitude about Echo Arena is anything to go by. No modders are going to get into the game's code and patch it to work on the hardware of the future. There will be no fan server emulator projects for beloved quest 2 and 3 only multiplayer games. They'll just be _gone forever._ I get so sad when I think of younger people who are gonna be nostalgic of things coming out today and just simply be unable to play them because they're either a live service game or exclusive to a console that doesn't have an emulator. It sucks, cause I know how much happier I am knowing that older consoles from my childhood are accessible on basically any hardware, even my smartphone.
This is super late though. When the Quest 2 Facebook and other companies pulled all the development funds for developers, then the well for VR HMD development dried up. Then We’re getting Quest games on PC and people don’t want to thousands of dollars to play Quest quality games. Low interest, no games, no hardware, no market. The transition happened like 4 years ago. Facebook took advantage of the pandemic to move everything to standalone Quest, but I suspect the sales aren’t good post-pandemic. The biggest development problem with PCVR is the lack of interest on the part of the vast majority of PC gamers and the variability of end user hardware makes it impossible for publishers to sell millions of copies and large publishers aren’t having that. PSVR2 is really the future. It’s where the most identifiable largest group of gamers are, the highest spec large userbase, reliability and uniformity of hardware. Once PSVR2 hits hard for a couple of years and sets a high standard I can see a path for porting to PCVR from there with established publishers/games etc. but the capability gap between mobile graphics VR and PCVR is too great to make it worthwhile for everyone involved.
Mixed Reality is Sweet, my buddy Streams from his Q3 in video chat. I'm a PSVR2 aka VR2 fan RE8+LightSaber and Haptics feedback rocks but Quest3 AR: (mixed reality) hopefully gets more attention in 2024 & cross vr platform games.
Whether you agree with it or not, the future of VR is tetherless, full stop. It has to pave its own way and stop relying on PC to brute force the graphical capabilities. On the contrary, by relying on the PC component, you are hindering VR growth. Sure you have a 3090, 90% others don't. Nor do a majority have a PC even remotely capable of VR, let alone crank it up to high enough fidelity where it would be worth it over a standalone.
The future of vr gaming, and gaming altogether is streaming services. No more consoles, no more pc's(at least for gaming)Games will stream straight to our headsets and tvs and we'll pay a subscription for access to the libraries.
I understand all what you say, lets hope meta doesn't fuk us with pc vr, i want to buy myself some quest 3 on release for both standalone and pc gameplay, i already have some games than can be played in vr or flatscreen like No Man's Sky or hellblade: senuas sacrifice, and some car race games
PC VR guy here. I've been playing on a Valve Index for years now and having a good time, but one of my biggest complaints about PC VR experiences is that I have a small playspace. My pc is set up in my bedroom, which is about 10'x10'. And after you take away the space from that which is required for my PC and the desk it sits on, there isn't a whole lot of space left to walk around and get a quality room-scale VR experience. However, I do have other areas in my house, in my garage, and in a large tool shed nearby that would provide ample free space to enjoy virtual reality. So I ask you this: which is more important for a quality VR experience... graphics , or gameplay? If you answer gameplay, then I am guessing standalone is going to be better for a lot of people like me because VR gameplay gets better when you have a larger playspace, and standalone VR like the Quest 3 would allow me to take my VR gaming into these other areas where I have more space. So to conclude, I think I might just have to go get a Quest 3.
AS2 I thought was super overrated lol. They sent me a code to review and I was so disappointed. It wasn’t a bad game but for 50$ no way I could recommend
Games are developed for the mass market first... That's the headset.... PCs have been dying for years... I'm looking forward to when I don't need a PC anymore.. You'll probably play it on the quest 3... it'll probably be pretty close to pcvr.
The problem is there doesn’t seem to be hardly any software dev of PCVR stuff. All the action has been on Q and psvr2
well its normal, Devs make games for platform where there are lots of consumers. They want too make money. They dont make game for platforms with few people on
@@mrbob4104 And they should absolutely do so. They aren’t in the business of dev for fun. Ironically. They need a return on their investment in order to make more games in the future. It blows me away that the hardcore PCVR community doesn’t seem to understand that
@@dragoonseye76because half the world are broke mfs
@@BAKED.BEYOND consumers being broke has absolutely zero to do with a sustainable game dev market. S. T. F. U.
@theassassin2709 yeah but spend a $1K for PSVR2 & PS5 or Quest3 vs PC which requires Thousands & more Thousands just to run them & that's not the with cost of pcvr headset added.
Great points. I'm with you in the PCVR preference. While I'm impressed with what the Quest 2 can do, I really still prefer all the graphics and smoothness capabilities of PC, so I use my Quest 2 with link 90% of the time.
I'm ok with the cable, and also have a better time using it than trying Airlink or Virt. Desktop.
I wouldn't be playing anything but PC vr. As long as the Quest 3 can be used with the link cable to play steam based games for PC vr then there isn't really a problem. Many people will still have the VIVE, or the Rift-S (as I do) so upgrading may be a good option at a decent price. If Meta keeps insisting on mobile headset games only then they won't be getting any of my money, and if all gamers feel the same then Meta will get the message sooner or later. I don't understand why developers don't develop their AAA games for flat screen but with VR options. It can't be that hard as we see many VR mods that do just that.
I feel like the technology of vr headset could have evolved way faster if the economy system was different !! It’s always about money ! 😤
The Wanderer, Citadel i want to play. Arken age hopefully will be good
I'll just stick to my psvr2 I own a quest 2 and I will be upgrading to the quest 3 when it releases but only for the games that are not coming to psvr2....
What I'm really hoping for is a 4k per eye and wider FOV with the Quest 3, but I know that's not happening yet, sadly 😪
I’m more excited for the 120 hz refresh rate…none of my friends and family can tolerate the 90hz….hopefully they feel better with 120hz, if not hopefully when 240hz lenses are in vr headsets
not untill 2045
The FUTURE of VR Gaming is now = Meta Q3 Quest3 & PSVR2 aka VR2. Both are Cool
I really can't see it being a problem. Any game that comes out for standalone is going to have poor graphics. Let the kids and grandparents play it. Serious gamers are still going to want high fidelity graphics and response times and you can't get that without serious hardware.
Pretty sure there are many games that will never be available on console because of the sheer grunt that's needed to run them. How many top end flight simulators are there on console? How many good mil-sims?
Until we can miniaturise a current gen RTX card into something that can be worn, then I really don't think all developers are going to settle for making mediocre games. If a developer is just going for the money, then is their game really worth playing?
I believe the future of vr is PCless..
I only play pcvr, I'm playing skyrim vr again and again some onward until Valve release something Or UEVR mod get released.
Since Meta is trying to kill pcvr I'm not giving them a dime either on software or hardware.
My next headset is valve Deckard or somnium vr or Pico 5 pro with native pc.
Half-life Alyx is a 1 hit wonder, hear its Good but if you can afford all that then buying a Q3 & VR2 aka PSVR2 should easily be able to buy.
Unlike Most whom can't afford a PC or not interested in PC. Thousands vs $1,000 & less.
Most us folks from Atari & Arcade Era 80's-early90's kids are More Grateful just to Experience decent & Great VR like RE8 & etc. VR2 is Fun & Awesomeness = VR is now.
Still don't get why they blame us on PSVR2 channels, platform of our choice.
Same as u chosen a preference, i like my friends Q3. Quest3 mixed reality is sweet.
We wanna have more multiplayer/Co-op to play our VR'S together; plus its better to make bigger player base. Also do u watch GingaVR? Skyrim with ChatGpt. If not check her out, she has PCVR
you can not make pcvr first and then downgrade , because then you need to make sure art and similar stuff run fine, or you will get onward situation, in general i see your point is not like a VR users, but more or less pcvr elitist view, and you need to understand you are like 0.5% of market , in pcvr space 80% of peoples use something like 1650 and in this case standalone will look better, and support needed for pcvr just cost so much , i am dev and i literally will not make pcvr port of my games, not only pcvr do not have features i need, but support cost will not pay for a price i need to sell it
Have you seen the universal VR mod being put together by Praydog? They say it'll make it easy to convert any games made on Unreal Engine 4 or 5 into VR. I think that could maybe be a game changer.
I agree. And a pc isn't the same price as new Ferrari. Everything is expensive when you are a kid. Hate those elite pcvr name calling. My pc cost 1200 bucks. While the new quest 3 256 gig is 600 bucks amd with facecover and headstrap replacement its 750 bucks.
Psvr 2 sucks
Why?
@@michelverheijen6643 edge flicker, fresnel lenses, tethered headset, and expensive price for outdated hardware
@@benjiebarker games? Kids phone games ported to android vr with 8k per eye micro oled screens and pancake lenses still doesn't give quality games.
@@benjiebarker and pcvr? Or just admit you are a facebook fanboy.
@@michelverheijen6643 pcvr sucks with tethered cable…with airlink and virtual desktop it is playable but standalone is the way to go
The main problem I have whenever a game doesn't come to PC, VR or otherwise, isn't their graphical fidelity, I couldn't give less of a crap about that. It's thinking about their long term preservation. Unless someone wants to develop a quest 2 and 3 emulator that works with SteamVR (or better, an open source standard that runs VR headsets which doesn't exist yet), you will not get to play Quest games in 20 years the way that I can play literally anything from the early 2000s, console or otherwise. Resident Evil 4 VR, as in the Quest 2 port of the original gamecube one, not the remake, _will_ be lost to time once backwards compatibility for that game becomes deprecated, and they _will_ deprecate it if Meta's attitude about Echo Arena is anything to go by. No modders are going to get into the game's code and patch it to work on the hardware of the future. There will be no fan server emulator projects for beloved quest 2 and 3 only multiplayer games. They'll just be _gone forever._
I get so sad when I think of younger people who are gonna be nostalgic of things coming out today and just simply be unable to play them because they're either a live service game or exclusive to a console that doesn't have an emulator. It sucks, cause I know how much happier I am knowing that older consoles from my childhood are accessible on basically any hardware, even my smartphone.
This is super late though. When the Quest 2 Facebook and other companies pulled all the development funds for developers, then the well for VR HMD development dried up. Then We’re getting Quest games on PC and people don’t want to thousands of dollars to play Quest quality games. Low interest, no games, no hardware, no market.
The transition happened like 4 years ago. Facebook took advantage of the pandemic to move everything to standalone Quest, but I suspect the sales aren’t good post-pandemic. The biggest development problem with PCVR is the lack of interest on the part of the vast majority of PC gamers and the variability of end user hardware makes it impossible for publishers to sell millions of copies and large publishers aren’t having that.
PSVR2 is really the future. It’s where the most identifiable largest group of gamers are, the highest spec large userbase, reliability and uniformity of hardware. Once PSVR2 hits hard for a couple of years and sets a high standard I can see a path for porting to PCVR from there with established publishers/games etc. but the capability gap between mobile graphics VR and PCVR is too great to make it worthwhile for everyone involved.
i think iys terrible there gonna drop high res vr gaming to please the broke ppl who cant afford pc
Tbh I’m looking to get the quest 3 for both VR and AR. I’m really liking the potential for AR with games such as subspace hunter and more.
Mixed Reality is Sweet, my buddy Streams from his Q3 in video chat.
I'm a PSVR2 aka VR2 fan RE8+LightSaber and Haptics feedback rocks but
Quest3 AR: (mixed reality) hopefully gets more attention in 2024 & cross vr platform games.
Whether you agree with it or not, the future of VR is tetherless, full stop. It has to pave its own way and stop relying on PC to brute force the graphical capabilities. On the contrary, by relying on the PC component, you are hindering VR growth. Sure you have a 3090, 90% others don't. Nor do a majority have a PC even remotely capable of VR, let alone crank it up to high enough fidelity where it would be worth it over a standalone.
The future of vr gaming, and gaming altogether is streaming services. No more consoles, no more pc's(at least for gaming)Games will stream straight to our headsets and tvs and we'll pay a subscription for access to the libraries.
I understand all what you say, lets hope meta doesn't fuk us with pc vr, i want to buy myself some quest 3 on release for both standalone and pc gameplay, i already have some games than can be played in vr or flatscreen like No Man's Sky or hellblade: senuas sacrifice, and some car race games
But PS5 technical is a PC; i can even put a PC extra hard drive in it. PC biases are Lame.
I'm a 80's kid = just grateful we can Experience VR
"Promo sm"
You don’t think 30% more resolution is an upgrade? The lenses are the big thing for me. I am not a fan of fresnel lenses.
PC VR guy here. I've been playing on a Valve Index for years now and having a good time, but one of my biggest complaints about PC VR experiences is that I have a small playspace. My pc is set up in my bedroom, which is about 10'x10'. And after you take away the space from that which is required for my PC and the desk it sits on, there isn't a whole lot of space left to walk around and get a quality room-scale VR experience.
However, I do have other areas in my house, in my garage, and in a large tool shed nearby that would provide ample free space to enjoy virtual reality.
So I ask you this: which is more important for a quality VR experience... graphics , or gameplay?
If you answer gameplay, then I am guessing standalone is going to be better for a lot of people like me because VR gameplay gets better when you have a larger playspace, and standalone VR like the Quest 3 would allow me to take my VR gaming into these other areas where I have more space.
So to conclude, I think I might just have to go get a Quest 3.
U can play "Pillow" laying down, Q3 has AR; mixed reality is neat.
Quest3 has apps to Socialize watch films in virtual movie theaters.
Arizona Sunshine 2 in PSVR2 was random, i like Vertigo now tho 😁😎
AS2 I thought was super overrated lol.
They sent me a code to review and I was so disappointed.
It wasn’t a bad game but for 50$ no way I could recommend
Games are developed for the mass market first... That's the headset.... PCs have been dying for years... I'm looking forward to when I don't need a PC anymore.. You'll probably play it on the quest 3... it'll probably be pretty close to pcvr.
Agree