It all depends on the switch - sometimes they're lubed a little differently, too.. It's hard to tell when it's just a single switch like this - but I do personally think that the uhmwpe stems make the switches sound deeper on average.
Thank you for the science!!! The voice / music balance to the switch sounds was a bit much! And holy cow the tangerines stock sound horrible in the think, but much better with adjustments The alpacas sound great stock \
Yeah sorry switched without caps are so silent! Haha. Stock alpaca are way better than stock tangerines, despite both being extremely smooth. Smoothness isn’t the only deciding factor I guess!
Awesome video buddy great stuff. I love hwo yoy showed the way the sound also without the caps. I always like that. Great stuff keep up the grsat videos. Also keep them coming man.
Thank you! I have a sound test w creams in an 8xmkII that I will put up soon. I borrowed my friends board to do some more science. Creams are really hard to find these days. And I agree. I think the inks have lost their huge lead in the linear game. The new options are just so good!
I found that they make the sound of switches deeper when you put them in. Just be careful about overall cost of a switch. I do like the gat ink black with uhmwpe but that's just such an expensive combo..
@@AndyVNguyen yeah not about doing gat ink blacks + the stem. I'm hoping to get a 60% and a 40% covered with my stems I got. The c3s sound good might have to get some next round.
Thank god they extended the group buy by a few days, I didn't get them (I've blown over $200 hundred on switches these past 2 months alone on Novelkeys) and saw a video on these and decided to pull the trigger and ordered 90 of the light green (love heavy switches like gat ink blacks but been loving my milky yellows) so after finding this video I'm stocked to get them in June.
I think Alpacas are smooth enough without UHMWPE. I'm starting to realize that UHMWPE messes with the sound signature of switches, so if they're already smooth.. I wouldn't put the stems in. I find that they mute the upstroke so much that it kind of kills that nice "clack," if that's something that you enjoy.
@@JakeMMC only tangerines. the oa switch i just reviewed recently has an uhmwpe bottom so it's kind of similar, but it has a pc top instead of the uhmwpe top of tangerines.
Personally, I wouldn’t. The only switch hear that the uhmwpe make sound better are the gat inks. The stem in the alpaca and tangs are really nice stock to me, but it’s really just opinion in the end.
tangerine v2, lubed, filmed and stock stem definitely sound the best, might be a little biased since thats what ive been using for the past 15 months hehe
what uhmwpe stems do you recommend purchasing? I was unaware that they deepened the sound signature. That plus the added smoothness makes me very interested
I don't think they make smooth switches smoother, unfortunately. I just like the sound that they make. I think they make switches sound deeper. For something to be "worth it," they have to be a good value proposition.. and I don't think that they are.
@@kevinlin8674 100% they are already so smooth and very little wiggle room between stem and housing. The UHMWPE stems are loose as hell, so those could maybe use lube. However adding it to stock stems you loose all finger feel even very light applications. Plus lubed switches have a much much much shorter lifespan
All the lubed switches are the same smoothness when in a board. Between gat ink, tangerine, and alpaca, you can’t even hear scratch even when you put it in your ear. Gat yellow you can hear it in your ear but not really when it’s in the board. I’m not gonna buy a full board of tangerines. Gonna stick w my alpacas.
@@AndyVNguyen How about the best out of the box linears out of these (smoothness, least wobble, plus other criteria a beginner would miss)? Picking a switch alone is already daunting. Let's leave modding/lubing for another time.
@@onlinehandle2 Thanks for the question! The best stock linear would be the alpaca. It is smooth, sounds good, and the stem wobble is reasonable. The UHMWPE Tangerine is extremely smooth out of the box due to the material, but it is a very NOISY switch until modded. Gateron Yellows are a great budget switch but I would never use them stock. Gateron Ink Blacks shine when modded.
different spots on a keyboard sound differently. this test doesnt really show a whole lot. you need to re test different switches on the same spot using the same keyboard, otherwise whats the point?
Is it just me or do the switch films really reduce the "rattle" inside the switch? You stop hearing the clinking of the parts inside of the switch. Is it just me or do switch films really work? There are a lot of people saying they're like snake oil
They do work. Walkers keyboard science does a great video. ruclips.net/video/ndT_TTQLflI/видео.html When I’m checking my switches after lubing, the ones that are filmed sound very different from the ones that are not. It also depends on the switch that you apply it to.
@@AndyVNguyen fair enough - I've always been curious about Gat Inks also but I've heard that sometimes the leafs are loose and sometimes fall out when lubing etc.... - reason I bough Tealios is they are reliable and if filmed the sound deepens
@@george8920 The current inks have fixed fixed loose leaf issues somewhat - it won't spontaneously fall out. I use the old inks before loose leaf, and they are very similar to the current iteration. If you push, the leaves can fall out. If you don't, they won't. It's just unfortunate that overall the leaves aren't as secure in the gateron ink housing as other leaves in other switches. Overall, I just recommend the alpaca. I will be getting creams in this week to break in, lube, and test, though!
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sriracha switches lol
My fave!!
outro music was a bit too loud cause I turned up the volume to hear the switches, otherwise really good and well made video! :)
Thank you for feedback. I’ll make sure to tone that down on the next video!
was good for me
tangerine v2 lubed filmed with stock stem sounds best imo
Tangerines with some work can sound great!
Ye ye
Love your videos with all the switch science!! It really helped.
Glad I could help!
YES! WE NEEDED THIS!
Hmm, is it just me or does the UHMWPE stems make them slightly higher pitch than stock stem lubed?
It all depends on the switch - sometimes they're lubed a little differently, too.. It's hard to tell when it's just a single switch like this - but I do personally think that the uhmwpe stems make the switches sound deeper on average.
Thank you for the science!!!
The voice / music balance to the switch sounds was a bit much!
And holy cow the tangerines stock sound horrible in the think, but much better with adjustments
The alpacas sound great stock
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Yeah sorry switched without caps are so silent! Haha. Stock alpaca are way better than stock tangerines, despite both being extremely smooth. Smoothness isn’t the only deciding factor I guess!
Awesome video buddy great stuff. I love hwo yoy showed the way the sound also without the caps. I always like that. Great stuff keep up the grsat videos. Also keep them coming man.
Mmmm, nice video.
Sad that there weren't any Creams to compare to, but looks like lubed Tangies V2 and Alpacas are my preferred sound over Inks.
Thank you! I have a sound test w creams in an 8xmkII that I will put up soon. I borrowed my friends board to do some more science. Creams are really hard to find these days.
And I agree. I think the inks have lost their huge lead in the linear game. The new options are just so good!
Great stuff! I got the UHMWPE stems and are looking for something to put them in.
I found that they make the sound of switches deeper when you put them in. Just be careful about overall cost of a switch. I do like the gat ink black with uhmwpe but that's just such an expensive combo..
@@AndyVNguyen yeah not about doing gat ink blacks + the stem. I'm hoping to get a 60% and a 40% covered with my stems I got. The c3s sound good might have to get some next round.
Well I was about to pick up tangerines but those alpacas sound so fucking good. They’re compatible with Kaihl hotswap sockets right?
Yes, they’re compatible!
Are alpacas = recolored durocks? cant find alpacas for sale but durocks can be found easily on aliexpress
Yes, Alpacas are recolored durock linears.
@@AndyVNguyen durock L7 or L2? And how u think what would be better alpacas,tangerine v2 or durock all lubbed,switchfilmed and with uh stem
how do these switches compare to those optical linears found on steelseries / razer keyboards.
Thank god they extended the group buy by a few days, I didn't get them (I've blown over $200 hundred on switches these past 2 months alone on Novelkeys) and saw a video on these and decided to pull the trigger and ordered 90 of the light green (love heavy switches like gat ink blacks but been loving my milky yellows) so after finding this video I'm stocked to get them in June.
You're gonna love them!
I was just wondering is it possible to use the tangerines in an keyboard that originally had mx black switches
yes
@@AndyVNguyen Thanks a lot, I'm definitely trying out the tangerines they sound so good even when they are not lubed
i started to like linear switches as it sounds so smooth than a clickly one like the gateron blue switches
You get addicted to smoothness!
Andy V Nguyen yup
Kinda sounds like slight stem post bottom out. Would be interesting to hear these with a sanded down post.
Can you elaborate on what this means?
@@AndyVNguyen on the tang. The stem post from swapped stems was hitting bottom housing from the shrap tinny bottoming out sound
What's your opinion on alpaca vs tangerine vs banana splits, both on acrylic keyboards? Banana splits on an acrylic plate though
they're gonna sound very similar.. deep
@@AndyVNguyen any preference on an acrylic like on an smkeyboards or discipline? With an acrylic plate
i have no idea how to shop for you, sorry. you're paying for it and using it, i would do your own research
Which films did you use for the switches in this video?
Tx switch films
What quos said
@@AndyVNguyen they have .12 or .15 thickness with Tx films
I have a question: what is a nice factory lubed linear switch? I dont want to bother with the lubing process
matcha latte or pink robin
What are your thoughts on JWK Linears, those lil tykes lookin sweat.
But obv I'd be buying nk drys, cuz lube.
Is that on an alu plate? Imo tangies on an alu plate sound more thockier than tangies on a brass plate
Do you think the UHMWPE Stems are worth putting in the alpacas? Is there a noticeable difference in feel/sound?
I think Alpacas are smooth enough without UHMWPE. I'm starting to realize that UHMWPE messes with the sound signature of switches, so if they're already smooth.. I wouldn't put the stems in. I find that they mute the upstroke so much that it kind of kills that nice "clack," if that's something that you enjoy.
yo if you have some everglide corals and tangerines or something can you do a sound test and compare the 2? please and thanks if you do
Everglide corals are very similar to alpacas and mauves and h1
@@AndyVNguyen intresting, whats the most similar switch to tangerine switches without being a group buy or on the after market?
@@JakeMMC only tangerines. the oa switch i just reviewed recently has an uhmwpe bottom so it's kind of similar, but it has a pc top instead of the uhmwpe top of tangerines.
Have you tried Everglide linear switches? Could you compare them to Alpacas? Being that they're around the same price.
I talked to my local guy who is a switch collector, and he said that Durocks are better.
Should I add the Uhmwpe stems to the alpacas or the tang switches what do you think?
uhmwpe stems are inconsistent and mute the upstroke clack too much imo. but i'd put them on the tangerines between the two.
Personally, I wouldn’t. The only switch hear that the uhmwpe make sound better are the gat inks. The stem in the alpaca and tangs are really nice stock to me, but it’s really just opinion in the end.
Andy, what switch film would you recommend for the tangerines?
tx/deskey/thicc.. they all work
@@AndyVNguyen Which films are being used for each switch in this video?
the best sounding i think was alpaca with the uhmpwe stem
yea the last switch right
do durock l2s or t1s come with uhmwpe housing
Neither of them do
Does the MX switch film work on the tangerine v2?
tangerine v2, lubed, filmed and stock stem definitely sound the best, might be a little biased since thats what ive been using for the past 15 months hehe
what uhmwpe stems do you recommend purchasing? I was unaware that they deepened the sound signature. That plus the added smoothness makes me very interested
I use lined and filmed tangerines in my build I like the stock stems better, clack>pop
How are gateron yellows with clear top housing and invyr stems different from ones with the milky top housing and invyr stems?
Just helped me make the decision between Tangerine R2's or the Alpacas god bless you
which one did you take? im tryna decide as well.
@@kudasaikeyboards.8579 I ended up with the Tangerine R2's, their sound is better and the UHMWPE housing is also better
Regardless of cost, do you think the uhmwpe stems are worth it in how they make the switches sound and feel?
I don't think they make smooth switches smoother, unfortunately. I just like the sound that they make. I think they make switches sound deeper.
For something to be "worth it," they have to be a good value proposition.. and I don't think that they are.
Thanks for the reply! Do they make the alpacas sound deeper? It’s kind of hard to tell in a video.
@@lashfield Yeah, I think so. I put an alpaca with an UHMWPE stem on my spacebar for that reason.
Thanks. My Polaris just came and I can’t decide between alpacas and inks and whether or not to use uhmwpe stems.
@@lashfield Neither switch truly benefits from UHMWPE stems IMO. You can do without.
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Where can I grab those UHMWPE linear stems?
is um-whipe a thing people say for uhmwpe
That’s how I read it, yes! The actual word is way too long
how smooth is the UHWMPE on UHWMPE action in the tangies with PE stems?
Veryyy smooth. But IMO doesn’t change how the switch feels. Overkill at that point
how is this built?
Ay Lmao with screws?
I need those filmed, lubed, and uhmwpe'd alpacas.
They're a great switch!
Tried them, they trash. Filmed alpacas stock is the meta
Quos lmao wtf you prefer unlubed over lubed?
@@kevinlin8674 100% they are already so smooth and very little wiggle room between stem and housing. The UHMWPE stems are loose as hell, so those could maybe use lube. However adding it to stock stems you loose all finger feel even very light applications. Plus lubed switches have a much much much shorter lifespan
Still going to have to go with Gateron Black Inks
I was team alpaca for a while.. then I fell back in love with inks after I lubed and filmed my own. The inks I had before were lubed by someone else
Which films did you use?
Tx usually
Andy V Nguyen Okay, well I got some TX films in my cart now :)
So which 1 is the smoothest and which 1 is your personal fav? Great vid btw
All the lubed switches are the same smoothness when in a board. Between gat ink, tangerine, and alpaca, you can’t even hear scratch even when you put it in your ear.
Gat yellow you can hear it in your ear but not really when it’s in the board. I’m not gonna buy a full board of tangerines. Gonna stick w my alpacas.
@@AndyVNguyen How about the best out of the box linears out of these (smoothness, least wobble, plus other criteria a beginner would miss)? Picking a switch alone is already daunting. Let's leave modding/lubing for another time.
@@onlinehandle2 Thanks for the question! The best stock linear would be the alpaca. It is smooth, sounds good, and the stem wobble is reasonable.
The UHMWPE Tangerine is extremely smooth out of the box due to the material, but it is a very NOISY switch until modded.
Gateron Yellows are a great budget switch but I would never use them stock.
Gateron Ink Blacks shine when modded.
@@AndyVNguyen Which of these sound the best to you? Lubed Stock tangeroines sound really good to me!
@@acmetypes I love the sound of the alpaca the most!
dang the yellows sound better than the black inks imo
Yellows got a special kind of pop. But I love the gat ink black thock still.
@@AndyVNguyen ive watched it like 4 times now, That's a tough decision on the alpaca's inks. I get my kbd67 tomorrow hopefully install goes goot
do u prefer 67g or 62g spring?
67g isn't bad. 62g kind of light for me.
different spots on a keyboard sound differently. this test doesnt really show a whole lot. you need to re test different switches on the same spot using the same keyboard, otherwise whats the point?
true! burn this video
0:55 for myself
Is it just me or do the switch films really reduce the "rattle" inside the switch? You stop hearing the clinking of the parts inside of the switch. Is it just me or do switch films really work? There are a lot of people saying they're like snake oil
They do work. Walkers keyboard science does a great video. ruclips.net/video/ndT_TTQLflI/видео.html
When I’m checking my switches after lubing, the ones that are filmed sound very different from the ones that are not. It also depends on the switch that you apply it to.
What keycaps are those?
GMK Mizu
What keyboard is that
Think6.5
where are Tealios ?
I found that gat inks were smoother and cheaper so I always voted for them.
@@AndyVNguyen fair enough - I've always been curious about Gat Inks also but I've heard that sometimes the leafs are loose and sometimes fall out when lubing etc.... - reason I bough Tealios is they are reliable and if filmed the sound deepens
@@george8920 The current inks have fixed fixed loose leaf issues somewhat - it won't spontaneously fall out. I use the old inks before loose leaf, and they are very similar to the current iteration. If you push, the leaves can fall out. If you don't, they won't.
It's just unfortunate that overall the leaves aren't as secure in the gateron ink housing as other leaves in other switches.
Overall, I just recommend the alpaca.
I will be getting creams in this week to break in, lube, and test, though!
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damn didn't think alpacas would win so easy.
Man it’s a shame you cant buy alpacas or tangerines. Lubes Inks it is for me i guess
Go to r/mechmarket
I have some cream on my hand
dueckey oen toow minie is the best board bro
If you love it, good for you! There's a product for everyone.
@@AndyVNguyen I dont think you understood the joke
Are you Vietnamese?
Yes I am!
last name says it all
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aw man, I am a little late and the view count is 69,720
noisy
I agree. Very noisy stock
What kind of savant do you have to be to hear the difference between these switches? Lol
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