Getting Powerful '80s Drums with Gated Reverb
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2015
- In this tutorial, I discuss gated reverb: an audio processing technique made popular in the 80s by the likes of Phil Collins which adds power and punch to snares, kicks and toms.
I explain the theory behind the concept, and also demonstrate how to put it into practice using free plugins in Logic Pro X.
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That sounded exactly it what i was looking for!!! Thank you for a detailed yet simple and fast explanation !
Dude thank you so much! You are doing so much for the scene, awesome tracks, allways helping in forums and now I realize you even do youtube turorials ! You’re awesome man congratulations.
You're welcome and I'm glad that you were able to get some value out of these tutorials!
I already knew how to do this, but your description was excellent, and concise.
This is awesome, thanks so much for taking the time to do these videos, and yes please make more. I'd love to see you do a video tutorial on arpeggios (how to make different arpeggio patterns, especially those relevant to 80s inspired synth).
Awesome! Thanks! This is a very comprehensive demo of gated reverb.
Excellent review !!! 👍
This is awesome. Thank you so much for this and also for dropping the link to that amazing plugin! Cheers
You can do this in a much quicker/simpler way by just using Space Designer. Choose a big reverb, turn up End Level to 100% and turn down Decay to however long you want. That way you have a reverb that cuts off sharply and instead of screwing around with a gate's cutoff you can just mess with the Decay time.
Awesome tutorial. Thank you!
best tutorial on the subject ive seen wowowowow good stuff bro
Very helpful thank you. I would like to see more like this!
Thank you very much for making this video, a great help!
Thank you!
After watching your video, I began to understand how it works.
i didn't even think about it now i understand why i can't get the sound of snare that i wanted to, thank you a lot!
Man, I love you, thanks for this.
Thanks mate very useful !!
This is crucial. Thank you very much!
sounds amazing, thanks
Thank you!!
Very useful.!
wonderful tutorial, please do more videos you are a great teacher
Very helpful, thanks!
Helpful! Thank you mate!
Perfect! Thanks
I use the same technique. It's nice to see another LPX user making Synthwave. However, I would suggest placing the kick and snare on a mono track and busing them out to stereo aux tracks.
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I'd never thought to compress the reverb before the gate. That's a good idea.
Thats how it was originally created.
I’m curious about how it would sound with the compressor after the gate. Idk if it would make any serious difference now that I think about it
Amazing
Nice! Can you actually tune up the snare individually just a little bit? great video! what will you do with the kick? the art of mixing drums and including samples is really fantastic and it takes ages to master it :D
best gated-drum intro of all time is from Public Image's The Body....nice demonstration btw.
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Hey I was planning to make an 80’s and 90s instrumental cd from my favorite Movies, Sports, TV shows, and VHS Training Programs using this and or one other music software sometime in the future and It’s going to be great.
Thanks man!!!!
Hardcore and hardstyle kickdrums sound better now, thanks ✌️
Hey man. Thanks so much for that. This definitely helps a lot. I love your music and it's great you share some tips. Especially that I am also working on my first proper synthwave album. I do have a question though. You used this here on the snare. But the title of the video suggests you can do it generally on drums. Do you use it on toms, crashes, etc? Or just on snare and clap perhaps? Hope you can answer. Cheers
Hi. Thanks for an answer. Your explanation is good and quite reasonable. Especially, that I am not so great with mixing. I hope there will be more videos like that to help understand specific techniques that make this 80s vibe. Cheers
helpful and instructive, would like to learn other techs too, like reverse
Great tutorial! I have one question: what would be the difference if you didn't sidechain the gate to the reverb? I'm having a hard time seeing how the gate would act differently if it was just a regular non-sidechained FX.
podpod thanks for the question! As others have discussed here, the sidechain on the gate is used to listen to the dry snare signal and clamp down on the reverbed signal as soon as the amplitude drops below the set threshold. This makes the reverbed snare follow the decay of the unprocessed dry snare. Try it with and without to see if you can tell any difference!
Thanks, i just thinking how i can make short reverb with my music and there was an answer :)!
Thanks! Question: The plugin that I'm using (with Sonar) doesn't allow a sidechain selection, I can only toggle between sidechain/audio. Which would I select?
I read that this was used on Man On Your Mind by Little River Band
The only thing with doing gated reverb is whether the gate sidechain comes from the input of the reverb or the output of the reverb. P.s. Love your track In Motion, would love a walkthrough of what synths/samples you used on it.
any tips on reverb/delay setup to make drums sound like the black keys?
Nice
thank you!
Great tutorial, thanks for the tips!
Good video my friend! Phil fan here!
Thanks, friend!
Hi! I am making a recording of "Heaven" by Bryan Adams, at home and I'm having trouble getting the "sound" of the drums. I'm using Nuendo and Superior Drummer 3.
I have seen an absurd amount of videos and courses searching for this. The closer I've found was the "Phil Collins gated reverb" but none on this 80s ballad reverb sound.
I would really appreciate if you could guide me on how to get that "80s ballad reverb sound". I'm not an expert by any means on this particular topic so a guide on what inserts/sends to use and where/how would be a huge help. I hope I'm not asking too much. Any help is welcome.
Thank you.
Great video. I just don't understand the need for sidechaining it to itself? Isn't the gate already being controlled by the signal from the channel it's on? Seems the sidechain is redundant?
If you want the non linear effect, the reverb volume actually gets louder if you used a gate that responded to only the reverb it would never clamp down or always clamp down, you want the gate to follow the natural decay of the snare so that when the snare is done the reverb suddenly hits the gate and is done otherwise youd have a spitty in and out sound as the reverb opens and closes the gate.
It makes sense to want it to follow the delay of the original snare, but sidechaining it to the bus it's on would still use the reverberated sound as the trigger. Also, when I do this myself I always sidechain the reverb bus only and I never encounter the problem you describe. It doesn't get louder because the reverb also decays. So you just make the gate clamp down once the reverb decays to a certain point then mix it with the original sound. I will try triggering the gate with the original sound and see if it cleans it up, tho. Good idea!
@@ClosetoHumanMusic ah yeah if you are doing it like that using the gate to cut off the tail then yes it works completely fine, what alot of the 80s gated sound were would of had times well past the gate and heavy compression so what happens the front of the reverb was compressed then the compressor let off and it swelled up and then the gate cut off without the gate the reverb tail would be huge, this is pretty much what the ams rmx non linear patch emulated. Both techniques work but the sound would be different and achieve slightly different things both useable though.
Great video !
Wasn’t the side chain option in this case a little redundant ?
TheDrunkenFish good question, but the sidechain option it actually makes a difference here: the sidechain listens to the input of the dry signal to determine when the gate closes so that the reverb will cut off when the dry snare’s amplitude drops below the set threshold. This allows you to get a tighter gated reverb effect.
Why when I "Dry Mute" I do get only like an echo sound? It worked well in my old projects. For my present projects and new projects this function not working properly, I only hear echo.
It was usefull
thank you:)
Strange. In one project I setup like in yours and it sounds the same. But in another project the delay is still very long and if I decrease lower (26%) "Noise Gate" it won't help as echo dissapears at all, and I know it's a wrong way to solve it. Any ideas? Logic Pro X
P.S In the top right corner (Noise Gate) I need to press "Side chain" and there choose my 'snare' instrument.
try vsdsx original Simmons SDS v drums
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what are you using to input the LM-2 samples? What do you recommend to have individual control over each set of sounds like you do there? Kick, snare, cymbals etc.
+Killstarr cool. Yeah definitely, I was just wondering the best ways to do it in logic. Thanks for the info.
+Killstarr sweet! and multi output mode offers total individual control for the most part? I've only really seen it once or twice.
+Killstarr Yeah there surely are. just thought I'd ask while we're going back and forth. thanks again for the help. I absolutely love the gated reverb snare technique
This is a great video helped a lot and the plug in is simple with logic pro x. Don't Have to sign in or make an account!!
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I see you have Valhalla, I read below you use Vintage Verb, why not just use that (Early Size) and skip the extra gate plugin altogether? Or is this just for demonstration purposes? I'm just wondering for myself.
Right on. I thought perhaps there was a difference in the over all effect. I can't hear one myself, other than using a verb capable of pulling off a gated verb effect is more consistent across very dynamic content.
I was also half asleep when I asked. Thanks.
Расскажите, пожалуйста, как создается эффект синтетических барабанов, как в итало-диско 80-х?
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I have a question: If I want to gate reverb other drums of my kit also should I use a different aux bus for each one? Or can I use the same for all of them?
With the setup I've demonstrated here, sending other parts to the same aux bus will not work, because the gate is sidechained to the dry snare sound, so that means everything else getting sent to the gated reverb aux bus will not be audible unless the snare is also being hit at the same time. The gate will only open when the snare is playing. You can either remove the sidechain to send other tracks to it, but you will lose a lot of control over the effect. The more precise way to do it is to use separate aux tracks for more control.
@@KILLSTARRofficial Thank you. I've got it now.
Killstar whats the processing effect you have on the original samples. that extra thwack to the snare.
Hi Sam, for the kick and snare sounds I am using a plugin called VPROM (www.alyjameslab.com/alyjameslabvlinn.html). There has been no additional processing applied on the drum samples!
Thx
You’re welcome!
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Awesome! Are the drums Stocksounds from Logic? Or wave files?
Thanks! The drums are from a VST called VPROM by AlyJames - www.alyjameslab.com/alyjameslabvlinn.html
You can also use stock sounds or wave files to achieve the same sound!
Thanks for comment🙏
What DAW is this? Good video by the way.
dead jester it's in the description
Awesome video, what do you mean, when the sound bleeds?
Hi there, what I meant is that without a gate, the tail of the reverb will overlap with the beginning of the following snare hit, creating a more "muddy" mix. With the gated reverb technique, we can make the snare sound huge without making the mix messy, as the reverb tail will be cut off before each next snare hit.
@@KILLSTARRofficial really appreciate your response and the awesome video I will use this as a guideline for me to mix drums, I want some sound as the band THE 1975, stay safe
Cant you just automate the volume of the reverb so it starts and stops whenever you want it to ?
tazy scrat sure! The thing is, you’d be drawing in a volume drop after every snare hit. The advantage of using the gate is that the effect is automatic.
You need it to maintain a fairly level volume tail, then cut off, preferable before the next kick.
Htanks@!!
I can not find the noise gate on FL studio. :(
Futurist 2046_ which version do you have
How did you get the linn drum on logic?
It's a third party VST/AU plugin called "VPROM" by AlyJames
I've gotta admit, this is a really nice clean sounding technique, but one can't help but think: why not just reduce the decay time on the reverb?
A shorter tail will still fade out. The gate chops the end of the tail off abruptly.
I use the decay time reduction method for my gated reverb, but it doesn't sound that good, since the sound does not fade out abruptly as Jamie Bales stated.
Side chaining to Bus 1is telling the gate to listen to the Input of Bus 1 which is just the dry snare sound, NOT the reverb sound. So it's actually the 70ms Hold time that is keeping the gate open. Nothing wrong with doing it that way, you probably have more precise control that way, but the way you explained should actually have the side chain off, then the threshold will be listening to the tail of the reverb for when to clamp shut.
This was exactly my thought. I almost went away thinking I was crazy. hahah
great video... I use SoundTracker and OctaMED on an Amiga 500, where can I get VPROM for it?
Yo what Snare Kit is this called?
Zach Tyropolis this is from the classic Linn drum machine - samples can be found freely on the internet!
This Studio One ?
Alovlu Qulle Logic Pro X
What is the best drums plugin 80's style?
If you want a nice drum machine sound, the plugin he uses (VPROM) is a really good plugin.
It's an emulation of the Linn Lm-1 drum machine.
VPROM also enables you to load EPROMs from other classic drum machines like the DX, DMX, DrumTraks, LM-2, Linn 9000, and more.
does this only apply for reverb?
what about a gated distortion would that work?
It works best on effects like reverb because it has a long release which the gate cuts off abruptly. I encourage you to experiment on your own and find out what other effects you can apply the technique to
Why not just set the reverb decay equal to the gate release time?
Jonathan von Kelaita I see. What if I included compression fairly compressed like you did in the video?
Jonathan von Kelaita I mean I'm just writing for arguments sake to experiment with different ways of approaching the same goal
Some reverbs have gates built in but generally reverb decay is somewhat linear (H-Reverb has various ways) and RT60 (the decay time) is how long it takes to go down 60db not go to zero.
What is DAW?
Ilia Iliah Digital Audio Workstation - the one I’m using is Logic Pro X
@@KILLSTARRofficial thank you ,bro
Just buy Valhalla vintage reverb!! It's got a whole bunch of presets
why seperate out the drums? why not have kick and snare on one channel?
Because you can get more control over where the effect is applied and by how much -- in this instance I didn't want to have any gated reverb applied to the kick drum. There is no right or wrong way about this, so try it both ways and see what you prefer!
@@KILLSTARRofficial oh i see, do you mentor people?
@@NikosKatsikanis not in any formal manner! Just sharing some knowledge that I hope is able to help some people! Always happy to try and answer questions, and find out if I don't know :)
@@KILLSTARRofficial wanna join my discord for mentors?
For a proper 80's snare it needs extra bass and compression.
All I hear is Rick Allen rn
The techniq is awesome,but this kick sound man,my ears are bleeding )
Jonathan von Kelaita i am big fan of 80s drum sound,but i didnt recognize actually this linn kick,is this kick sample is accurate to hardware linn drum machine vetrsion?
Jonathan von Kelaita Oh,thx for reply! Im gonna make some researches for that! And actually would be nice to see new videos by you with some tips from 80s,maybe about synths and guitars mixing tips and tricks,i would love to have a look anything from this area! ;)
You could do ALL that unnecessary work or you can simply use one of logics MANY gated reverb plugins that are quite good :)
Yes of course, this video is designed to give an understanding of how the technique works. There are many plugins that will do this for you automatically, so feel free to pick your own path!
@@KILLSTARRofficial ah, misunderstood the purpose.
All good! I wouldn’t have seen the point in making a video tutorial on how to select a preset 😉
Excellent tutorial, thanks!
Great tutorial, Thanks!