The Kobe bron debate was over after the redeem team in 08 Coach k said he had to have Kobe to take them over the top because bron and his crew got embarrassed By Argentina
You got to remember Shaq also had never won until he got paired with Kobe so just like you give Shaq all of that credit make sure you give Kobe his credit for being the player that got Shaq over the top as well because that third Championship Kobe was actually the leading scorer in that Championship run
Kobe can’t get credit because he had Shaq and Gasol. But Lebron gets all the credit because he just had scrub players like Kyrie, Love, Wade, Bosh, and Davis. See how idiotic and hypocritical these Lebron fanboys are.
@@fkillahBron was not only the best player on his team, but the best on the court! That was never a doubt! Ehhh Shaq was the driving force for the Lakers my guy.
@@emericas9 First, Shaq doesn’t win without Kobe. The real championship was the western conference playoffs where Kobe averaged similar and better stats then Shaq and was the closer. Secondly, while Kobe had Shaq, Lebron had Wade AND Bosh, Kyrie AND Love so let’s not play this disingenuous game of mental gymnastics
@@fkillah Number one, you talk like someone who just got out of prison trying too hard to sound articulate. Lmao 🤦🏾♂️ Again, there was NEVER a question about brons teammates being better than him in any finals you hear me? Shaq is more valuable than kyrie, wade, and bosh combined lil fella. AGAIN, Shaq deserved those 3 fmvp’s. Bron rent free in ya mind lil boy go on bout ya day 😂
@@emericas9 sorry, does a basic level of articulation scare you off because the word “mental gymnastics” or “disingenuous” is to fancy for you? 😂 I don’t know how much more I can dumb it down for you Bronsexuals to understand.
Damn didn’t lebron have a proven wade on his team… that guy was in the same draft as lebron and Bosh who was a proven no.4 pick… him playing with top picks out his same draft class is a something to be scrutinized… or maybe it’s just me
@@HoweyJR_ was it a problem when bron averaged 17 in a finals… getting whipped by an old ass Timmy… scrutinize his shortcomings like yall do others , because to keep it real he got the most finals losses with the most help…,when we talking about the greats
@@marcusspain1032 bron got whooped in 07 & the pop said out his own mouth the plan was to throw all bodies at Bron & let’s be clear that series was still close all four games even with bron beingn neutralized
That’s the thing that frustrates me the most. Wilt didn’t play one on one against Russell. Boston was completely stacked. The one year Wilt had a comparable team to those Boston teams (‘67) the team went 68-13, which was the best season of all time up to that point and the won the championship
Its funny how much obsession people have with Goats lol. Like in the Nba its debatable kind of, unlike other sports so its talked about way more. Jordan stands out to me but I would love to see him in his prime against the current nba players now because I don't think he would actually be as good as we all make him out to be.
Nah he's not cappin on that one, he even spoke about it on national TV while Kobe was alive. "Kobe believes he's better than Mike, but he can't prove it."
@@onlydbrasko don't get me wrong at time I've rooted for lebron when I felt people were being hard on him. But before & after all the flopping & etc I can't put him ahead of Tim Duncan. Neither one of them did a dunk contest, but Tim was actually a team player & absolutely earned all his rings & stayed on one franchise
This funny hey man Lebron out plays Kobe in all stats except free throws look it up stats means something When u buy a car…..you don’t look at price and history….those are stat information for you to determine if you should buy that car 🤦🏾♂️ smh
U CAN'T kwwp having a conversation abt the greats and NOT put Kobe not only on the list but at the top. I hate that the sports world treats Kobe like he was just some guard. In alot of ppls eyes...HE'S THE 🐐
Only one of those 3 scored 81, outscored a team by himself, 12 All defensive team selections, held Allen Iverson to ZERO points for an entire half, Avg. 50+ for 5 straight games... blocked MJ 3 times and LeBronze 2 times in the all star game!!
@majormarketing6552 I'm old enough to sit there and watch entire seasons of both play and Kobe just did stuff MJ never could... Phil held Kobe back a little as well. He had Kobe distribute the ball to a shit team ended up costing a 7 game losing streak... Also later cost the Lakers an entire series against the suns... Phil would let the Lakers lose a 20 point lead without calling a timeout and said he was letting them figure it out themselves...
I will never put LeBron over Kobe Bryant... Because Kobe and his career never complained about anything especially trying to recruit a bunch of superstars and his team... Jordan number one Kobe number 2... And what kills me is that Stephen A Smith says LeBron number 2 which don't make no sense because the closest thing to Jordan is Kobe Bryant..
@@jdrobin1 he stated if they wouldn't put pieces around him that they could trade him, but one thing I can respect about Kobe Bryant he never wanted to fill his team up with superstars like LeBron... If I had a choice to have Kobe's career or LeBron's career I would definitely choose Kobe's career..just saying... LeBron's record in the playoffs is bad and of course you know the finals his record is bad.. I don't care how much you accomplish season wise, but if you're not putting that ring on that finger it doesn't matter
@@ernestosepulveda4327he actually DEMANDED a trade from LA he didn’t say “they could trade him” and they tried to move him to Detroit and he vetoed it cause he wanted to go to Chicago that’s the revisionist history yall have been doing since he passed and of course nothing i say can change your perspective.
@@Eye_Know I knew that...he demanded a trade if they didn't get him any help...that's how they got Paul gasol... But he could have left the free agency but he didn't..
@tmizzle89 I'm telling you what Kobe could do to your Goat, and you're coming back at me with accolades?? Kobe has accolades and dropped 55 on your Goat's head!!
Stephen A. is great at his job BUT his analysis on this topic is jaded, his deliver is suspect and on this particular topic I firm disagree with him...Regardless of the FOAT or not he still has to he in the conversation!
@@futurism27 think about he’s only know for dunking. Did you see the 1v1 with Kareem he can’t and have you even seen a highlight of him making a jump shot that free throw dunk made his whole career!
Why nobody mentions Kareem??? It’s a disgrace these guys call themselves so called experts and don’t mention this man at all!! A damn shame! 6 time NBA MVP 6 time NBA Champion 2 time NBA Finals MVP 11 time all defensive team 19 time NBA All Star 15 time All NBA Team **For 39 years (1984-2023) was the NBA’s All Time Leading Scorer **
Damn my guy Russell gets zero love lol Imagine being so successful nobody wants to acknowledge you ever existed. 2x NCAA Champ 11x NBA Champ and his #6 is retired by all NBA teams , but he don't have a Netflix doc or expensive shoes that kids think are a status of having $ lol stop with all this goat talk with humans and rules constantly changing you can't have a goat some of those players in the top 25 all time scoring list did that with NO 3pt line let that sink in. At best you could say best little and big of a decade other than that your just looking for clicks and views and arguments in hope of getting a clip of somebody saying something crazy Russell/West , Kareem/Magic, Hakeem / Jordan , Shaq / Kobe , Duncan / Lebron , TBD / TBD just saying
Whether anyone likes it or not,Kobe will always be on those conversations and if his name isn't mentioned they know dam well they're thinking about him. That's Mamba🐍 they can't deny it.
1. Jordan 2. CR7 & Messi 3+ doesn’t matter for me, it can go Ronaldinho, Ali, LJ,Woods, Lawrence Taylor, Walter Payton, Pele, Zidane, etc … but those are the 3 I mentioned above, are the greatest athletes we have ever witnessed play a sport
I genuinely don’t get what he thinks LeBron has done that just allowed him to leap frog Kobe, all time leading scorer? Well Kobe was 3rd going for that record until his body started breaking down…. Kobe won more rings, he faced tougher competition in the playoffs, he won back to back championships without a top 75 player, etc
As great as Kobe was I still don't have him above Magic & that's just as a Laker. So how can he be considered as the Goat, when we all know he's the second greatest at the SG position. I think people that throw Kobe into the equation would just like to hear his name mentioned more & that's understandable, but where was this conversation when the man was Alive...
If you’re building a team from scratch I don’t know how you would “draft” kobe over lbj. One has the most misses in NBA history and the other can play 1-5 and makes everyone around him better.
The only reason one can play one through five is because of the style of play these days. Don't get it twisted though Kobe would take on the challenge and would play and guard any and all positions. However, answer this who has the most turnovers in NBA history. Also what are you going to say when LeBron takes over this record? He might take that title by the end of this season.
He shouldn't have more because he wasn't the jump shooter compared to Kobe. He's thrived driving to the rim using his size to push ppl out the way for layups his whole career. That alone shouldn't have him close to taking the most missed shots title.
time for education. from 2003-2010 the debate was always jordan/kobe....no one was sayin lebrons name.......then suddenly once the super team got created kobe got pushed aside and everyone started saying jordan/lebron. the sports media was basically bullied into always telling people lebrons the 1st or 2nd best ever because he became the face of the nba hes got tons of pull. also SAS made the fools error. telling shaq well "kobe only got those first 3 rings cuz he played with you" yet doesnt say..well lebron only got his fist 2 playing with d wade. i always hated the arguments of he only won because he played with so and so.....every superstar has had an amazing team mate to win multiple chips, thats team sports. no ONE man literally carried a bunch of bums to multiple championships. stop with that. finally the goat debate starts and ends with MJ is that simple, everyone else can fight for second place.
Shaq been lazy his whole nba career kobe said that but kobe didn't care he just wanted to be great even if he put others down didn't faze him Was a shitty teammate just like Jordan. Kobe was good but not top 5 good come on Shaq quit talking that crash
I think what's wrong is that Stephen A is wrong. Just Kobe's drive and level of determination put him #2 and above LBJ. Plus he's got 5 rings and doesn't have 6 finals losses! Facts!!
NO. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE ADD AND TAKE AWAY ON CRITERIA? JUST STOP IT ALREADY. KOBE IS NOT NUMBER 2, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. HE IS NOT EVEN IN THE TOP TEN JUST LIKE LEBRON.
Shaq is the goat of all centers my favorite player always wanted to meet you I grow up idealizing you always wanted to meet you here in San Antonio would pay lots of money on tickets to see you in every team you were in when you came to town and just ignore me when I asked for an autograph on your way to the tunnel always disappointed maybe next time and nope but I never gave up till I became a father and couldn't afford to tickets like that no more 😢😢
NO, WE DO NOT HAVE TO PUT KOBE THE JORDAN WATCHER IN THE CONVERSATION. WHEN A MAN DOES EVERYTHING ANOTHER MAN DOES EVEN IN HIS SPEECH THEN THAT MAN HAS TO BE DISQUALIFIED FROM THE CONVERSATION. YOU HAVE TO BE YOUR OWN MAN IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED THE G.O.A.T.
If you weren't the best on your team for 3 of your 5 championships, When you weren't even the best all time on your organization, When you're not the best at your own position, how can you be in the G.O.A.T conversation?
When you’ve been to the finals 10 times and won only 4 but got bailed out in half of them by Ray Allen and Kyrie how can you be the goat? Also one of the championships was the 2020 bubble. When you play GM/coach and choose to team up with 2 other franchise players in Wade and Bosh how can you call yourself the goat. When you don’t play defense and flop worse than a soccer player how can you call yourself goat. And when you call yourself the goat, are you really? Gtfoh
Without Wade who was in the same draft class, won a chip in less years make it a big question on how long would've took LeBron to win his first chip.... he had about 5-6 attempts
Wilt my goat....wilt did all that he did n there were two sets of rules, rules for everyone else and then rules for wilt (cuz the refs said if they called fouls on wilt the game never would end) he did it while taking it easy because he didn't want to hurt other people, imagine if he didn't gaf. The guy literally averaged in 80 games one season over 48 minutes, what? The advancement in this day n age n still ain't nobody doing that. Even when he was at the end of his career he blocked young kareems unblockable skyhook three times in a row. I could go on.
Shaq is more like Lebron then people think, he could score 100 a game if he was selfish shaq is the goat, we have never seen anything like shaq, MJ, Kobe, or LB. none of them could take over the way he could name one,
1a-MJ 1b-KB 1c-LBJ- how about 3 goats? You can never go wrong with any of them, if i was a GM and would start a team, i would pick LBJ just because i know my team will make a lot of money, nba finals almost every year, now if i want all business- Kobe, like i said you can never go wrong with any them
Why don't ppl mention the level of competition athletically Kobe faced along with the nba rules like traveling, fouls, etc. Vs lebrons Era. You caNt touch anyone it's a foul now days. Then there defensive 3 sec, being monitored at the highest capacity. Etc. The game and defensive strategy now days is to allow showmanship. With kobe it was competition
Mr Shaq, you said it’s about people opinion and it’s about people having their on perspective on whose goat. Then you turn and said, “you gotta have your boy Kobe in the conversation.” Don’t you think what you are saying is ambiguous?🤔🤔🤔🤔❤❤❤
Kobe never was in the convo and everybody wished he was. 10 years ago MJ was asked between MJ or Lebron you could see on his face that he didnt want to embarass Kobe and said KD as a joke. Kobe and Lebron he never was close. If you judge Kobe with the same level of criticism you have for Lebron, Kobe's game will be picked apart.
lol when Kobe won his 5th ring only the East coast fans who pretended to have stayed up to watch Laker games thought he wasn't in the conversation. By that time he had already amassed 9 First team All Defense selections tying MJ. MJ the player is vastly different from his own opinions on skills because he's the same guy who who drafted one bust after another for his own franchise.. Try making substantiated claims if you want to be taken seriously, that's if you even know what that is.
@@onlydbrasko You don’t understand Kobe is not in conversation and that’s good for him. If we put his career at the microscope like with Lebron he will be picked apart. 5 rings but only 2 finals MVP? Great scorer but only 2 times scoring season champ? How many MVP’s? There are too much holes in Kobes resume to say he was the equal of MJ or Lebron.
@@thefitscience I have Magic at #2 because Showtime was about him and it was literally instrumental in winning 5 rings and 3 Finals MV and he did it with McKinnon and Riley as coaches. I don't see how bad anyone pick apart Kobe's game without leaving out his 9 time all 1st team defense. Timmy is also in the conversation imo.
@thefitscience You don't need a microscope to see LeBronze flops and lack of clutch gene... I think he just airballed another free throw the other day!! Kobe never!!
Bill Russell IS the GOAT of HIS Era Kareem IS the GOAT of HIS ERA Michael Jordan IS the GOAT of HIS Era Kobe Bryant IS the GOAT of HIS ERA And LEBRON JAMES is the GOAT of HIS ERA
Kobe was an Assassin. Killer "Closer" = When Kobe was in-Kill-mode . . . he was as good or Better then anyone, ever Period. ( and I'm not a Lakers Fan ). oNe LovE from NYC
Kobe Bryant is an absolute basketball legend. I always have hated the lakers but I’ve always respected Kobe.
True! Kobe was a different monster.
Stephen didn’t want dat smoke
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF, 50-40-90)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Bird = 19
8) Dr. J = 17
9) Shaq = 16
9) Hakeem = 16
11) Durrant = 13
11) Giannis = 13
13) Curry = 12
*Minimum is 1 Title and 1 MVP
Finally someone with actual stats. These social media debates are getting tiresome...
Dr. J also won 3 championships and 4 MVPs in the ABA, before it merged with the NBA.
Exactly… thank you mr Dominant… they cannot just pass Kobe just like that …
The Kobe bron debate was over after the redeem team in 08
Coach k said he had to have Kobe to take them over the top because bron and his crew got embarrassed By Argentina
Stephen A doesn’t listen
You got to remember Shaq also had never won until he got paired with Kobe so just like you give Shaq all of that credit make sure you give Kobe his credit for being the player that got Shaq over the top as well because that third Championship Kobe was actually the leading scorer in that Championship run
Kobe can’t get credit because he had Shaq and Gasol. But Lebron gets all the credit because he just had scrub players like Kyrie, Love, Wade, Bosh, and Davis. See how idiotic and hypocritical these Lebron fanboys are.
@@fkillahBron was not only the best player on his team, but the best on the court! That was never a doubt! Ehhh Shaq was the driving force for the Lakers my guy.
@@emericas9 First, Shaq doesn’t win without Kobe. The real championship was the western conference playoffs where Kobe averaged similar and better stats then Shaq and was the closer. Secondly, while Kobe had Shaq, Lebron had Wade AND Bosh, Kyrie AND Love so let’s not play this disingenuous game of mental gymnastics
@@fkillah Number one, you talk like someone who just got out of prison trying too hard to sound articulate. Lmao 🤦🏾♂️ Again, there was NEVER a question about brons teammates being better than him in any finals you hear me? Shaq is more valuable than kyrie, wade, and bosh combined lil fella. AGAIN, Shaq deserved those 3 fmvp’s. Bron rent free in ya mind lil boy go on bout ya day 😂
@@emericas9 sorry, does a basic level of articulation scare you off because the word “mental gymnastics” or “disingenuous” is to fancy for you? 😂 I don’t know how much more I can dumb it down for you Bronsexuals to understand.
I agree with Shaq. Kobe always should be in the conversation
Kobe's problem, he is Jordan 2.0 and people will never put him over Jordan so it basically takes him outta the conversation of GOAT
Damn didn’t lebron have a proven wade on his team… that guy was in the same draft as lebron and Bosh who was a proven no.4 pick… him playing with top picks out his same draft class is a something to be scrutinized… or maybe it’s just me
It’s just you clown 😂
The same Wade who avg 13 a game in the 14 finals?
@@HoweyJR_they don’t wanna talk about that though, buddy was dealing with knee issues the entire time Bron was in Miami as well
@@HoweyJR_ was it a problem when bron averaged 17 in a finals… getting whipped by an old ass Timmy… scrutinize his shortcomings like yall do others , because to keep it real he got the most finals losses with the most help…,when we talking about the greats
@@marcusspain1032 bron got whooped in 07 & the pop said out his own mouth the plan was to throw all bodies at Bron & let’s be clear that series was still close all four games even with bron beingn neutralized
That’s the thing that frustrates me the most. Wilt didn’t play one on one against Russell. Boston was completely stacked. The one year Wilt had a comparable team to those Boston teams (‘67) the team went 68-13, which was the best season of all time up to that point and the won the championship
😂 Hey Stephen, you gone go APOLOGIZE to Rashad 😂
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In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF, 50-40-90)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Bird = 19
8) Dr. J = 17
9) Shaq = 16
9) Hakeem = 16
11) Durrant = 13
11) Giannis = 13
13) Curry = 12
*Minimum is 1 Title and 1 MVP
Michael, Kobe then whoever else you want. Period!!!!!
@@citizencain2383 for me lebron, kareem, MJ then rest whoever else you want , don't care
He don't to apologize
Shaq has my utmost respect
Stephen A's problem is the way he DELIVERS when he speaks...like he is the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY 😊
This gotta be the softest take I ever seen
He from NYC. Says alot!!
Its funny how much obsession people have with Goats lol. Like in the Nba its debatable kind of, unlike other sports so its talked about way more. Jordan stands out to me but I would love to see him in his prime against the current nba players now because I don't think he would actually be as good as we all make him out to be.
Exactly. Jordan was just the chosen one I his Era
@@bobbyjoalfonso3949Jordan vs the defense they play today?? 😂 he would go off
S.A.S did not tell Kobe no stuff like that!
I don't believe it! 🧢🧢🧢🧢
Nah he's not cappin on that one, he even spoke about it on national TV while Kobe was alive. "Kobe believes he's better than Mike, but he can't prove it."
@@djfacts9770 🤫
@@STOPBEINGLAZYMOVEMENT yeah I know we'll keep that between me & you 😂😁
@@djfacts9770 He's not cappin but to completely omit him from goat conversations and put LBJ ahead of him is why Shaq and Rashard have an issue.
@@onlydbrasko don't get me wrong at time I've rooted for lebron when I felt people were being hard on him. But before & after all the flopping & etc I can't put him ahead of Tim Duncan. Neither one of them did a dunk contest, but Tim was actually a team player & absolutely earned all his rings & stayed on one franchise
Stephan A likes to pretend Kobe had Shaq, like if LeBron didnt have Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, AD.
I’m taking Kobe over Leflop all day, everyday and twice on Sunday.
Can I add 1 more time on Sunday
This funny hey man Lebron out plays Kobe in all stats except free throws look it up stats means something
When u buy a car…..you don’t look at price and history….those are stat information for you to determine if you should buy that car 🤦🏾♂️ smh
Lets respect Share diesel loyalty times his bro Mamba
hit d road jack
WOW yes Kobe # 2. 🎉
THANKU SHAQ 4 CLARIFING THAT DR.J ALWAYS GETS OVERLOOKED WHEN IT COMES 2 DIS TOPIC WILT AS WELL
Steve A talks about everyone and if someone says something about him he cries.
Imagine if kobe had Lebrons body size😮 or Mikes hands and physical frame😮
But he didnt
@@observeandanalyze4591 no shit! He would've had 46000 career points 😆 Lebron 5th all time behind Kareem, MJ, Kobe and Magic. Facts.
U CAN'T kwwp having a conversation abt the greats and NOT put Kobe not only on the list but at the top. I hate that the sports world treats Kobe like he was just some guard. In alot of ppls eyes...HE'S THE 🐐
The same people saying Kobe needs to be in the convo are the same ones entertaining the Bron vs MJ augments on social media
EF THE GOAT MY GUY KOBE WAS THE LION . FOOD
Only one of those 3 scored 81, outscored a team by himself, 12 All defensive team selections, held Allen Iverson to ZERO points for an entire half, Avg. 50+ for 5 straight games... blocked MJ 3 times and LeBronze 2 times in the all star game!!
Thank you someone who actually watched the games
@majormarketing6552 I'm old enough to sit there and watch entire seasons of both play and Kobe just did stuff MJ never could... Phil held Kobe back a little as well. He had Kobe distribute the ball to a shit team ended up costing a 7 game losing streak... Also later cost the Lakers an entire series against the suns... Phil would let the Lakers lose a 20 point lead without calling a timeout and said he was letting them figure it out themselves...
Magic is the GOAT!
All that talk he did to say what exactly??? how can you argue with people that played in the NBA
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I will never put LeBron over Kobe Bryant... Because Kobe and his career never complained about anything especially trying to recruit a bunch of superstars and his team... Jordan number one Kobe number 2... And what kills me is that Stephen A Smith says LeBron number 2 which don't make no sense because the closest thing to Jordan is Kobe Bryant..
Yes he did. He definitely asked be traded to the Bulls lol
@@jdrobin1 he stated if they wouldn't put pieces around him that they could trade him, but one thing I can respect about Kobe Bryant he never wanted to fill his team up with superstars like LeBron... If I had a choice to have Kobe's career or LeBron's career I would definitely choose Kobe's career..just saying... LeBron's record in the playoffs is bad and of course you know the finals his record is bad.. I don't care how much you accomplish season wise, but if you're not putting that ring on that finger it doesn't matter
But there’s only one lebron
@@ernestosepulveda4327he actually DEMANDED a trade from LA
he didn’t say “they could trade him”
and they tried to move him to Detroit and he vetoed it cause he wanted to go to Chicago
that’s the revisionist history yall have been doing since he passed
and of course nothing i say can change your perspective.
@@Eye_Know I knew that...he demanded a trade if they didn't get him any help...that's how they got Paul gasol... But he could have left the free agency but he didn't..
Kobe is never in the conversation.
MJ is clearly the goat. Lebron, kobe, kareem are in the convo for second.
Clearly? I saw Kobe block MJ 3 different times!!! And drop 55 on his team Jordan couldn't do anything to stop Kobe!!
@@quirinogarza7381 and that puts him in the goat convo? You're obviously a casual go look at their accolades than come back and talk to me.
@tmizzle89 I'm telling you what Kobe could do to your Goat, and you're coming back at me with accolades?? Kobe has accolades and dropped 55 on your Goat's head!!
Larry Bird before LeBron. Larry beat Jordan multiple times.
Honestly I thought Shaq would say more .. he just said my boy got to be there .. that was wicked take by Shaq
You were hating because you said anybody who has him at 2 don't know basketball
Kobe almost had a three peat with no real stars around besides pao! Win 2 out of three. Got to put respect on that man name.
Stephen A. is great at his job BUT his analysis on this topic is jaded, his deliver is suspect and on this particular topic I firm disagree with him...Regardless of the FOAT or not he still has to he in the conversation!
I agree with Shaq the disrespect is just crazy you can like who you like but don’t disrespect the players
Kobe top 2 behind mj
Dr Jay is not even top 50
Cap he was beast you never seen him play your generation only goes by stats
What?
@@futurism27 think about he’s only know for dunking. Did you see the 1v1 with Kareem he can’t and have you even seen a highlight of him making a jump shot that free throw dunk made his whole career!
@@brandontucker2989 have you ever watched a full game of his?
Why nobody mentions Kareem??? It’s a disgrace these guys call themselves so called experts and don’t mention this man at all!! A damn shame!
6 time NBA MVP
6 time NBA Champion
2 time NBA Finals MVP
11 time all defensive team
19 time NBA All Star
15 time All NBA Team
**For 39 years (1984-2023) was the NBA’s All Time Leading Scorer **
He has kareem number 3
Has anyone ever seen SAS shoot hoops or run?
He avg 1.5 ppg basically the same as Skip🤣🤣🤣
Magic needs more respect in his name . The man changed the NBA
Magic is definitely up there.
Damn my guy Russell gets zero love lol Imagine being so successful nobody wants to acknowledge you ever existed. 2x NCAA Champ 11x NBA Champ and his #6 is retired by all NBA teams , but he don't have a Netflix doc or expensive shoes that kids think are a status of having $ lol stop with all this goat talk with humans and rules constantly changing you can't have a goat some of those players in the top 25 all time scoring list did that with NO 3pt line let that sink in. At best you could say best little and big of a decade other than that your just looking for clicks and views and arguments in hope of getting a clip of somebody saying something crazy Russell/West , Kareem/Magic, Hakeem / Jordan , Shaq / Kobe , Duncan / Lebron , TBD / TBD just saying
That's Facts 💯💯🏀🏀
ruclips.net/video/a-q5_pS1XjI/видео.htmlsi=w-gYeJbMKU8gDGYz
Bill Russell Doc, you’re welcome
Absofreakinlutely ❤❤❤
A couple of players got passed over seemingly over night
Kobe the greatest of all time 🙏🏾
😅😅😅😅 no he's not
The fact that they were all talking about Kobe means he was in the conversation 🤦♂️
But Stephen A doesn't bring Kobe up in the conversation and that is what Shaq is talking about!!
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF, 50-40-90)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Bird = 19
8) Dr. J = 17
9) Shaq = 16
9) Hakeem = 16
11) Durrant = 13
11) Giannis = 13
13) Curry = 12
*Minimum is 1 Title and 1 MVP
Bill Russell had the Celtics, Wilt had WHO?
Somebody needs to address how cool that old school shirt Shaq is wearing is. Dude dont give a shit lol
Whether anyone likes it or not,Kobe will always be on those conversations and if his name isn't mentioned they know dam well they're thinking about him. That's Mamba🐍 they can't deny it.
1. Jordan
2. CR7 & Messi
3+ doesn’t matter for me, it can go Ronaldinho, Ali, LJ,Woods, Lawrence Taylor, Walter Payton, Pele, Zidane, etc … but those are the 3 I mentioned above, are the greatest athletes we have ever witnessed play a sport
Mike Tyson has entered the conversation!!
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF, 50-40-90)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Bird = 19
8) Dr. J = 17
9) Shaq = 16
9) Hakeem = 16
11) Durrant = 13
11) Giannis = 13
13) Curry = 12
*Minimum is 1 Title and 1 MVP
@@FreedomFighter2112 how many MVPs did Kobe get ripped off during his career?
@@quirinogarza7381 True...he could've even been higher
MJ GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!!!🕰🕔🏀🏀🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏅
Stephen A is riding Lebron on the debate.
I genuinely don’t get what he thinks LeBron has done that just allowed him to leap frog Kobe, all time leading scorer? Well Kobe was 3rd going for that record until his body started breaking down…. Kobe won more rings, he faced tougher competition in the playoffs, he won back to back championships without a top 75 player, etc
As great as Kobe was I still don't have him above Magic & that's just as a Laker. So how can he be considered as the Goat, when we all know he's the second greatest at the SG position. I think people that throw Kobe into the equation would just like to hear his name mentioned more & that's understandable, but where was this conversation when the man was Alive...
In the all star game he won at last second over MJ. Conversation was started there. Listen…
Why is tim duncan not mentioned as GOAT..
So Brons rings don't count cuz he had Wade Bosh Kyrie and any other all-star
If you’re building a team from scratch I don’t know how you would “draft” kobe over lbj. One has the most misses in NBA history and the other can play 1-5 and makes everyone around him better.
The only reason one can play one through five is because of the style of play these days. Don't get it twisted though Kobe would take on the challenge and would play and guard any and all positions. However, answer this who has the most turnovers in NBA history. Also what are you going to say when LeBron takes over this record? He might take that title by the end of this season.
I’m going to say a dude who’s played 21 seasons still doesn’t have as many misses as kobe did….
He shouldn't have more because he wasn't the jump shooter compared to Kobe. He's thrived driving to the rim using his size to push ppl out the way for layups his whole career. That alone shouldn't have him close to taking the most missed shots title.
Stephen A is the Goat of nothing😂😂😂
Lbs 4 Lbs MAGIC JOHNSON is up there too Look what he did in a short career Way more than Lebron
time for education. from 2003-2010 the debate was always jordan/kobe....no one was sayin lebrons name.......then suddenly once the super team got created kobe got pushed aside and everyone started saying jordan/lebron. the sports media was basically bullied into always telling people lebrons the 1st or 2nd best ever because he became the face of the nba hes got tons of pull.
also SAS made the fools error. telling shaq well "kobe only got those first 3 rings cuz he played with you" yet doesnt say..well lebron only got his fist 2 playing with d wade. i always hated the arguments of he only won because he played with so and so.....every superstar has had an amazing team mate to win multiple chips, thats team sports. no ONE man literally carried a bunch of bums to multiple championships. stop with that. finally the goat debate starts and ends with MJ is that simple, everyone else can fight for second place.
I'm saying they just forgot about Kobe, I ain't a Kobe fan, I'm a Tim Duncan Fan, hell they forgot about him
So maybe Shaq shouldn’t add guys like Steph into conversation 😂
But you have leflop in there and he has 4 rings along with curry lmao Stephen a contradicts himself so much
That was a shot across the bow , thanks Shaq
Kobe isn’t even the most decorated Laker
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Jordan,Kobe,rest of league past and present. Then dead last Lebron
Facts
Shaq been lazy his whole nba career kobe said that but kobe didn't care he just wanted to be great even if he put others down didn't faze him Was a shitty teammate just like Jordan. Kobe was good but not top 5 good come on Shaq quit talking that crash
I think what's wrong is that Stephen A is wrong. Just Kobe's drive and level of determination put him #2 and above LBJ. Plus he's got 5 rings and doesn't have 6 finals losses! Facts!!
NO. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE ADD AND TAKE AWAY ON CRITERIA? JUST STOP IT ALREADY. KOBE IS NOT NUMBER 2, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. HE IS NOT EVEN IN THE TOP TEN JUST LIKE LEBRON.
Shaq 💯!!!!!!
Shaq is the goat of all centers my favorite player always wanted to meet you I grow up idealizing you always wanted to meet you here in San Antonio would pay lots of money on tickets to see you in every team you were in when you came to town and just ignore me when I asked for an autograph on your way to the tunnel always disappointed maybe next time and nope but I never gave up till I became a father and couldn't afford to tickets like that no more 😢😢
Just how you brought up wilt and bill Russell have more rings and how he was his nemesis, same for curry and bron
Bill Russell is non existent now huh.... I guess he just was never born
How can a player b 1 of the greatest of all time, but n the same sentence they say Mike is the greatest of all time. That's crazy
NO, WE DO NOT HAVE TO PUT KOBE THE JORDAN WATCHER IN THE CONVERSATION. WHEN A MAN DOES EVERYTHING ANOTHER MAN DOES EVEN IN HIS SPEECH THEN THAT MAN HAS TO BE DISQUALIFIED FROM THE CONVERSATION. YOU HAVE TO BE YOUR OWN MAN IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED THE G.O.A.T.
Perfectly said
Kobe is the GOAT
Thank you, SHAQ ....
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Shaq had a point until he said Dr. J
If you weren't the best on your team for 3 of your 5 championships, When you weren't even the best all time on your organization, When you're not the best at your own position, how can you be in the G.O.A.T conversation?
He was the best. His coach used shaq as first option as their scheme. Who got traded? It was Shaq
When you’ve been to the finals 10 times and won only 4 but got bailed out in half of them by Ray Allen and Kyrie how can you be the goat? Also one of the championships was the 2020 bubble. When you play GM/coach and choose to team up with 2 other franchise players in Wade and Bosh how can you call yourself the goat. When you don’t play defense and flop worse than a soccer player how can you call yourself goat. And when you call yourself the goat, are you really? Gtfoh
Lebron had wade and bosh on the heat, love and irving on the cavaliers smh give kobe his credit at #2
stephen a hairline is the goat
Cursing and blessing don’t come out of the same mouth. How can u respect Kobe and hate the lakers sounds dumb to me😂
LOL I Absolutely Love The Different Opinions #KobeMamba #Mamba24
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Top 5 this top 10 that and if there is a disparity from Stephen a gone balistic
Without Wade who was in the same draft class, won a chip in less years make it a big question on how long would've took LeBron to win his first chip.... he had about 5-6 attempts
Yea Russell had 11 and Wilt had 2 but lets not forget Russell played with 11 HOFERS on one team and Wilt played with 7 in his career.
Wilt my goat....wilt did all that he did n there were two sets of rules, rules for everyone else and then rules for wilt (cuz the refs said if they called fouls on wilt the game never would end) he did it while taking it easy because he didn't want to hurt other people, imagine if he didn't gaf. The guy literally averaged in 80 games one season over 48 minutes, what? The advancement in this day n age n still ain't nobody doing that. Even when he was at the end of his career he blocked young kareems unblockable skyhook three times in a row. I could go on.
Wilt is still a better player than Russell. Chips have nothing to do with it.
Shaq is more like Lebron then people think, he could score 100 a game if he was selfish shaq is the goat, we have never seen anything like shaq, MJ, Kobe, or LB. none of them could take over the way he could name one,
Agreed 💯...I just made that same comparison to a friend.
It's no way Lebron 2nd after MJ as the Goat..... Kobe definitely 2 in my OPINION
Kobe Bryant number 2 all time competitor
Kobe 2 or 3 but the dr not in the conversation 🤣🤣
1a-MJ 1b-KB 1c-LBJ- how about 3 goats? You can never go wrong with any of them, if i was a GM and would start a team, i would pick LBJ just because i know my team will make a lot of money, nba finals almost every year, now if i want all business- Kobe, like i said you can never go wrong with any them
Kobe wasn't in the goat conversation when he was alive... so why now?
He has always been in the conversation until the last 3 years. Lebron ain’t even better than Scottie pippen
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yes he was 🤡
KB was never in the GOAT conversatiom@@era_emissary
@@jayjay0580DUDE CHECK IN IMMEDIATELY TO A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!!
Shaq "unless you're Charles Barkley. You're always wrong" 😂😂
Why don't ppl mention the level of competition athletically Kobe faced along with the nba rules like traveling, fouls, etc. Vs lebrons Era. You caNt touch anyone it's a foul now days. Then there defensive 3 sec, being monitored at the highest capacity. Etc. The game and defensive strategy now days is to allow showmanship. With kobe it was competition
Mr Shaq, you said it’s about people opinion and it’s about people having their on perspective on whose goat. Then you turn and said, “you gotta have your boy Kobe in the conversation.” Don’t you think what you are saying is ambiguous?🤔🤔🤔🤔❤❤❤
LeBron got a MVP on Kobe's watch so did he got to MVPs on Kobe's prime yes he did .
Who got the redeem team their gold medal? Kobe or lebron?
Can you please repeat that in actual English?
I would really appreciate that.
"Did he got to MVPs on kobe's prime" What does this mean?
media mvp award dont mean shit, malone 98, lebron12,wesbrook17 etc.....
Kobe never was in the convo and everybody wished he was. 10 years ago MJ was asked between MJ or Lebron you could see on his face that he didnt want to embarass Kobe and said KD as a joke. Kobe and Lebron he never was close. If you judge Kobe with the same level of criticism you have for Lebron, Kobe's game will be picked apart.
lol when Kobe won his 5th ring only the East coast fans who pretended to have stayed up to watch Laker games thought he wasn't in the conversation. By that time he had already amassed 9 First team All Defense selections tying MJ. MJ the player is vastly different from his own opinions on skills because he's the same guy who who drafted one bust after another for his own franchise.. Try making substantiated claims if you want to be taken seriously, that's if you even know what that is.
@@onlydbrasko You don’t understand Kobe is not in conversation and that’s good for him. If we put his career at the microscope like with Lebron he will be picked apart. 5 rings but only 2 finals MVP? Great scorer but only 2 times scoring season champ? How many MVP’s? There are too much holes in Kobes resume to say he was the equal of MJ or Lebron.
@@thefitscience I have Magic at #2 because Showtime was about him and it was literally instrumental in winning 5 rings and 3 Finals MV and he did it with McKinnon and Riley as coaches. I don't see how bad anyone pick apart Kobe's game without leaving out his 9 time all 1st team defense. Timmy is also in the conversation imo.
@thefitscience You don't need a microscope to see LeBronze flops and lack of clutch gene... I think he just airballed another free throw the other day!! Kobe never!!
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF, 50-40-90)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Bird = 19
8) Dr. J = 17
9) Shaq = 16
9) Hakeem = 16
11) Durrant = 13
11) Giannis = 13
13) Curry = 12
*Minimum is 1 Title and 1 MVP
Bill Russell IS the GOAT of HIS Era Kareem IS the GOAT of HIS ERA Michael Jordan IS the GOAT of HIS Era Kobe Bryant IS the GOAT of HIS ERA And LEBRON JAMES is the GOAT of HIS ERA
You's a fool, fool 😮
to his face or to his cam?
Kobe was an Assassin. Killer "Closer" = When Kobe was in-Kill-mode . . . he was as good or Better then anyone, ever Period. ( and I'm not a Lakers Fan ). oNe LovE from NYC