"My '05 Chevy SS Silverado is trying to kill me!" What could be so bad the CAR WIZARD can't fix it?
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- The CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ recently got this truck and it just seems that it's slowing trying to kill him. What's so wrong that he can't fix it, and what do you think he should do about it? Also, I do not believe the truck wanted this video out. Both cameras had corrupt video files (which has never happened before or since), the editing was almost impossible, and the lift music didn't save (we added stock music from YT). It's amazing you are able to watch this.
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That’s a hell of a truck, I’d do a frame swap, you’ve got the shop, the knowledge and the 5 grand. That would make an interesting story to show
Use that insurance money to do a frame swap and to put new fuel/brake hard lines in it. With your resources and ability it shouldn't take too long to get finished. Plus once it's done you'll have a very solid truck that you know what's been done to it and also done properly. Plus you know deep down inside it will make Hoovie happy and you can sell it back to him for a profit, lol. 😆
I would keep the engine and drive line and scrap the rest the frame on that truck is no longer safe
Yep, exactly what I was going to suggest - it's a few days with parts available...
Not worth the effort when you can find a better one elsewhere. It's not like it's super rare or valuable.
Depends on what time and interest he has available. Doable? Yes. But I also know he has some other more intriguing projects. For me, it would be a no.
@@mahatma171 May he can do a colab with another utuber like chrisfix, i'd watch that.
I would do a frame swap on this. Trucks like this are selling for so much these days it would be worth it once finished.
There is a RUclipsr named Vechor who works on these trucks quite often. You should link up with Scott and have him help you fix your truck. Those SS trucks are the last of they’re time I would hate to see this one junked. Also keep up the good work I love your channel.
Probably best long term solution would be to do a frame swap
Another vote for frame swap.
Body is also rusted
@@alihaider177 fr
part out and scrap
And it would make for a good video series.
Since it's a SS I would definitely do a frame swap and replace the brake and fuel lines.
This would be a great frame swap. If you can get one. Other than that even if you kept the drivetrain, you could probably make a good bit of 💰💰💰 parting it out.
There are PLENTY of rust free donors available down south. An SS is rare, it’s probably worth restoring. I wanted to buy my folks ‘04 Marauder that had already had some rust repair done to it, but I ultimately decided to pass on it. It to is a RARE vehicle, and was a rare color (Dark Toreador Red).
Even if you don't do frame swap, have a video discussing the cost parts and labor of a frame swap.
If the truck is interesting enough to you, then I would offer three ideas: Reinforce and repair the bad spots in the frame; find a roller chassis (extended cab chevy's and gmc can be found with messed up 4l60es) and swap your drive drain ; or frame swap the truck.
there's no rear frame to reinforce or repair. Either replace the frame either scrap the whole car.
Put the engine
in a Porsche.
Maybe a Cayenne,
this time.
yeah, those are good ideas. I think it's an interesting chance for the channel, if you, Car Wizard, were a regular guy I'd say just sell it as a junk, but in your case, I agree with Jet Black Fox, do something interesting with it. I think options 2 and 3 are the best, reinforce the frame is not a valid option, at least not for me.
The Ferrari is almost done, come on Wizard you need a new project!!
This is a good idea
I'd love to see what happens to it if you try to flex out the suspension. A test to failure would be sweet!
I've seen several of those truck up here in New York that have done the same thing. I think a v8 gmc syclone or typhoon clone would be cool since it already has the full time transfer case. I see a lot of people say frame swap, but from my personal experience, the rust is way deeper than just the frame and every bolt will fight or break.
Another vote for a frame swap series, maybe do some proper resto-mod'ing on the suspension and brakes. It's a blank canvas guy and you got the shop to do it, have at it!!
the idea of putting the engine and transmission into a different car sounds like a good idea and plus i would recommend parting out the truck and selling all the parts that are not rusted out since it's better not to keep driving that thing
I'd keep the engine and transmission and do the elco swap like you said. It can also be used to haul so it wouldnt be a bad project for the channel.
Hello Wizard please make sure the CC is turned on for us the old guys,love the video keep up the good work
There are auto-generated subtitles you can turn on. They work pretty well
Agree with many others on frame swap. Find one that has a good frame, rear axle, fuel and brake lines, etc. They are pretty plentiful for this generation and reasonably easy to work on. Just get some evaporust or some other rust converter sprayed on everything ASAP to halt any further degradation (particularly the body bits if you might frame swap it).
I had a 2007 2500 with that same motor and transmission and had 393,000+ miles on it until I sold it in 2019. Personally, as expensive as vehicles are today thanks to supply chain issues and Bidenflation, I would buy a new frame and move everything over. The 6.0L V8 is one of the top 3 GM motors of all-time.
If anything you could sell the engine and transmission and make $5,000.
Hey Wizard & Mts Wizard, I'd say that since you got money from insurance you basically have a free truck, I'd part it out & scrap the remains. That would give you piece of mind that it won't break down & cause someone to die. Thanks for sharing this interesting video!!! 👍👍🙂
I got one '!. But mine it's on a better condition " but I still working on few details so' I suggest you rebuild it ' besides you got a big shop "also advantages i don't have, so . Dont give it up " you can do it! Keep working on!
If you like the truck, it's a unique enough model and low enough miles (anything under 200k is low miles on these trucks) that it's worth saving. With all your connections, I'm sure you can find a good donor frame from down south without much effort. Hood replacement is easy. And the rockers can be repaired by a pro in a day or two. Frame swap it!
Another vote for a frame swap!
Or is it possible to get the VIN tagged in a way so it could be sold but not registered w/o fixing it, so nobody gets hurt?
The way things are done in US is just weird. You guys can literally buy some old POS and start driving it right away ? Is that true ?
In Canada Dave could sell that truck "as is"
That means it hasn't been inspected. Any used car has to have a safety inspection done before you can get license plates. Any thing that failed on the safety inspection must be repaired first. Without a passed safety you can not get plates. And insurance is an absolute must. You get caught driving with no insurance that's a five thousand dollar fine.
When you buy a used car you can get a temporary plates. It's only good for 10 days. This is just so you can drive the vehicle from where you bought it straight to the shop that would do the inspection. This is a one time thing. You can't keep going to the MOT every 10 days for a new temporary sticker. Your not suppose to be driving all over hell on a temporary.
Basically you can't drive an old shitbox without it being repaired. There are lots and lots of shady mechanics out there that will sign off on that POS. Fake safety inspections.. Depending where you are the prices can be two hundred bucks to a couple of thousand.
Mechanics like this should have their tradesman license revoked. It's not doing anyone any good.
That is a registration concern. In my state, the title is marked as a salvage.
He is a millionaire, why should he deal with all that shit. He should park it outside and part it out for free
@@Mike-qp8bv Our country is a joke, let's just leave it at that. Government overreach is rife. And don't get me started on the privatization of the insurance industry, they're criminal with the rates they charge.
@@Mike-qp8bv this is exactly how it works in the US....
I would say to do a frame swap on it as long as the rest of it is in decent shape. Since you already have the tools and lifts, your cost would be mainly in the frame and any other parts you needed (lines, etc). With a new frame, you could either enjoy it, or sell it on for someone else to enjoy
I am liking the new lift transition music :)
If you did do a frame swap, coat your donor frame with ‘Chassis Saver’, or POR15 paint, or even Line-X. My Dad had to have the bed pulled on his ‘08 F250 and have new supports installed. The shop coated everything with a bed liner-type material. Rust won’t be a problem for my Mom and Dad much longer, they’re about to relocate to the Deep South near me.
This is a really educational video, Wizard. I don't live in a heavy salt use area, but it helps to watch this anyway, as you're showing us all how to examine vehicles for potential rust problems. So thank you for doing this!
As for this specific truck: I agree, this looks extremely risky to keep on the road, and of course no one wants to see you, your staff, or your family get hurt. (imo) I'd salvage what good parts you can - powertrain, interior, wheels, etc - and part it out, then junk what's left for scrap.
thanks wizard for years of consistent content with no excessive intro or ads besides a gentle amazon affiliates plug at the end
We see this ALL THE TIME in the northeast, and on newer vehicles no less! However, due to the age and mileage of the rest of the truck, a frame swap would be too costly when you factor in all the hardware and suspension parts you’ll end up needing - I’d pull the drivetrain and scrap the rest…
What I fear most with that truck in its condition is if involved in a major crash it may injure or kill you or whoever is in it as you discuss. It might be better to scrap it or sell it for parts before that could happen.
Or…he could just not drive it for now, and fix it with a frame swap. Besides, these trucks are crazy valuable now
Find a descent frame. Imo it's worth it because its an SS. Yeah you will have to do new mounts and lines and maybe even some body repair. But it will be good content for your channel. Even better do it in phases and let some of the work be time lapsed. It's what your viewers want
@Yippee Skippy you have to much time on your hands my friend
the truck is roached out part it out and junk the rest, the ss thing dont mean anything on trucks
I wanted one of these when they were new but couldn't afford one. To me it would be worth taking the money you got from insurance and fixing all the issues to make it a good solid truck again. Frame swap, new fuel and brake lines, and fixing any rust.
Frame swap it or put the powertrain in a small car... a UTE or a sleeper! Great content for the channel!
9:40 is hilarious! And you let me drive this? "Yes" lol...
The fact even the camera had enough of the SS is perhaps to tell you it's time to let it go. :(
The Wizard knows a lot but he really has not seen rust like we have here in Ontario. This thing looks mint lol 😆
That’s because he’s put a lot of work into it on hoovies garage yt u can see all the rust that was on the bed
I hear ya brother. I'm just east of T.O. Yeah, these guy have no clue when it comes to rust. Hell, his truck looks positively mint.
Since you are at a near break-even financially, part out and RUN!! Loved the El Camino idea!
If it was me, I'd definitely be doing a frame swap, the rest of the vehicle is going great, but don't trust me I'm Australian 😁😁😅😅🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪great video Car Wizard 👍🏼👍🏼🇦🇺🇦🇺🦘🦘Cheers from Melbourne Australia
Id look for a replacement frame.....its a cool truck and the drivetrain and body looks good
An SS like that here in Arizona would probably go for 10k or more. It would probably have sun damaged paint but the frame would be free from anything other than surface rust. I really like these trucks.
Frame swap or if you don't care for it anymore go part it out and sell the parts individually. A possible cause of why you smell fuel but cannot find any fuel leaks is the charcoal canister might need replacing.
Car wizard, I have seen on other motortrend channel , that they can find a frame swap. Not sure of price , but you have a great engine and transmission. I have a 2000 chevy silverado 4X 4 with 250k on it and still a strong performer. Good luck on all! In California so no rust on underbody
It actually looks pretty clean compared to some of the stuff here in Michigan. Throw some brake and fuel lines on it if you are that concerned. Complete preformed brake line kits are sold for Silverados.
i was gonna say i live in WV and that looks clean for here for age LUL
I was just about to say the same. Here in northern Indiana this truck is considered pretty clean. Could use some work, but I’ve seen WAY WAY worse on the road.
I think you might be fooled a bit by the crappy paint job they did on the frame. Previous previous owner used POR or something and just threw it on over flaking rust, making the whole situation go downhill faster.
I've seen worse and even had worse, but there's no two ways about it, that frame is gone, certainly not worth just throwing fuel and brake lines on it and running it, especially considering Wizard said he wants to use it as a work truck. I wouldn't want to tow or put any weight in that truck. Not worth it.
@@arealsourapple That's what I was thinking too.
I'm in Michigan too, that rust is pretty bad, I've seen much, much worse. The body seems pretty Okay I'd definitely find a frame and throw it under it with all his abilities and tools.
I would like to see you do a frame swap. It would be the go to video for any body with this problem for many years to come. You are the wizard. I know there will not be a lot of money to be made verses your time, maybe a back burner project, but would be invaluable to many people in the future Good luck which ever way you decide
Have a GMC Sierra that has done the exact same thing. Already replaced the brake/fuel lines. Would love to watch you and/or a guest do the frame work. Do they sell a kit like they do for Wranglers? Ton of content.
I'd like to see you swap the drive train onto a regular cab chassis. You'd have a nice sleeper sport truck.
I would also like to see a frame swap. I'm a big fan of those trucks. I loved my GMT 800 until it got wrecked. I'd love to see you keep one on the road
That would still be a $10k truck here in new england even with the rust 🤣
I know what I got, no tire kickers, get off my lawn.
Frame swap sounds like a bunch of work, then to find a good one... I've got a '02 GMC that has really gone bad over the summer (broken brake line near abs) of not driving. Had replaced the diff cover years ago, fuel lines too. Rear bumper is now chrome foil, lol. But look close at the boxed frame by the cab mount/torsion bar crossover, mine has failed!! Didn't look bad a year ago, had planned a plow for my drive, lmao!! I realise I'm in Michigan, but most of the frame rot was kinda hidden... Good luck, might be a good parts truck... Thanx !
That’s why I’m happy to live in a warm weather state that doesn’t have to salt the roads in Winter!
It'd be interesting to see a complete frame swap. How much work would be involved in that, how many hours?
The other thing is I've seen something similar to this as if this vehicle in particular is especially susceptible to rusting. It's so widespread across the whole truck what could it be. There was a time in the UK when a lot of cars had this grounding strip attached to the frame because, so the story went, static electricity build up made cars susceptible to rust.
Frame swap on a Chevy is around 30 hours labour. And there are many variables. It's never just the frame. Fuel lines, brake lines. Good time to upgrade the steering and suspension. It's all the little things that add up very quickly. And when you are working with a vehicle with severe rust, add some more labour because of that.
Is it worth it ? Probably not on an older truck. It may increase the resale value, but not by much. The amount of cash involved in a frame,, you will never get it back. So you either fix it and keep driving it forever. Or sell it the way it is. Let the next sap worry about it.
The reason you don't see those anti-static strips any more is because it turned out they were completely useless.
wheeler dealers uk did one in the uk on a morgan. worth a watch if you can find the episode
In the northeast I feel like all GMT800’s have had fuel lines and brake lines replaced due to rust
Wizard was veery quick to say yes at 9:45 hahah
You have the shop and resources to frame swap this in a weekend. Do it!
The body and the rest is still pretty nice!
For me, a frame swap is the best thing to do, including the repairs on the fuel lines and the rear differential cover...
I'd love to see a frame swap on the channel.
It would be cool to see a project on this channel like this truck and not just shop talk or high end projects.
I, too, have a car that tries to kill me lol.
Edit 1: That sigh from Mrs Wizard after the "And you let me drive this??" was priceless.
Don't frame swap it, strip it and buy a f-body to put all the good stuff in. Similar effort, much cooler result.
Edit 2: Ride it until it dies is ALWAYS an option.
Time for a frame swap, if you want to. Maybe there's a good one at a local scrap yard, and it can be cleaned up, and just painted. As Rich of DeBoss Garage has mentioned in his videos, just simply painting a good frame with rattle can paint, will help it last. It helps create just a basic barrier to keep salt and moisture from corroding the metal. I figure, since Rich is in the same Province as me, in Ontario, Canada, where we have heavy salt usage and quite a lot of humidity. The salt and humidity just make vehicles rot, and his truck frames are still lasting, 15 years later, simply with rattlecan paint, its fine to use.
Usually I would say part that guy out, it’s worth a bundle in parts. But, it’s such a nice looking running truck and trucks are crazy expensive now, it’s probably worth doing a frame swap.
As a former mechanic from northern Minnesota . I feel your pain . I am looking for a new body for my pickup . Its great for ice fishing lol .
I have a 2002 1500hd. It was very bad and still has a few spots that need attention. I had pulled the bed off n did a lot of rust repair. Ended up POR15 the rear part of the chassis after a whole lot of time cleaning it up. But I replaced a whole lot of parts. At the time I had to put a lot of money into the truck or sell it for nothing and spend boat loads to replace it. I love the truck so I decided to put the money into it. Brake lines, calipers, fuel lines, fill neck, rear bumper, diff cover, fuel tank straps, shock mounts, upper control arms, front end bushings, zone 6” lift, wheels and tires. You name it I probably did it. Still on the list, rockers, cab corners, bed supports, fender arches, body mounts and 1 driver front body mount bracket. Plan on repainting the entire truck after the body stuff is done. Another reason why I decided to go this route was 1-truck is paid off, 2-I like the crew can configure better than newer ones, 3-not my daily driver, I wanted to do a hot rod project but don’t have the room so I turned this into my hotrod project. I think I caught my frame just enough to be saved. I didn’t have wholes through it like yours though. I’ve looked for new frames but they are unavailable.
I'd love to see a frame swap, but I know the driveline has nearly 200,000 miles.
200k on these trucks could be good or bad. Curious if it's on original transmission and if the rear differential has been serviced or rebuilt. A neglected differential and transmission are both pricey repairs which would determine whether or not I would want to keep this vehicle.
With proper maintenance that 6.0 and 4l80 should be fine. I have 230 on my 5.3 and it runs like a top
@@michaelhabib1976 have 249k on my 01. Rear end went out at 150k. The axle was definitely lack of maintenance.
Find a clean cool old square body Chevy and put the motor in it.
3:00 "death of a Kansas vehicle"
Salt belt folks: Oh that's nothing!
Hey Wizard, I had an 04 ss silverado. I purchased from a used car lot.. looked great at first. Within a week the ugly rust that was covered in under body coating, began to show it's head. Hub barrings, break lines, exhaust, frame. . Loved the truck, but had to get rid of it. Traded in to finance a new frontier, which lead to my new tundra today. .get rid of it. ..
That truck had absolutely 0 rust protection
A frame swap sounds great but would be too much work, it might be worth but it depends I think the best option is to sell it for parts there are so many good things not related to the frame that I think you might be able to make good money of it
You have a basically free truck there, what is the cost of a junkyard solid frame and your time to frame swap it VS parting it out and buying a new shop truck with possible the same issue?
I drive a Black 04 AWD that’s identical,I love it so much I’d use it for parts or restore it if it was mine.
I would do a frame swap, the truck is very nice to see and i don’t think there are a lot out there! Greetz from the Netherlands , ramon
Those trucks are great trucks! I would look for a decent frame and swap it.
Mrs Wizard said, "Thats not your Wizard wand."🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's still too nice to part it out. If you can afford it I would do a frame swap. You own the shop and you have the manpower so.... I'd go for it.
A frame swap sounds nice until one tries finding a good donor frame, as well as all the brackets and other pieces which have long been discontinued you'll need to do the swap correctly. I own one of these eras of Chevy trucks, and they just rust. The body looks decent, but in reality there is highly likely to be rust already well formed on the insides of the panels and rockers, and will poke through eventually. Spending thousands on parts and labor to rebuild a truck that's worth.. $7-8k give or take when finished really makes little sense aside from a decent bit of content.
i would love to get my hands on this truck !! i live in ne ohio and can find good frames all day long ! body rust is so minimal its worth frame swapping.
I have an 01 Silverado, had the same fuel smell, ended up replacing both the lines and fuel filler neck, I will be doing the cross members in the back soon since its a NY truck
How much more is the frame going to disintegrate if you replace the fuel lines? Or brake lines? I agree with the comments about doing a frame swap, considering the net cost of the truck at this point. The biggest concern of doing a frame swap is whether there is enough left of the body to go with it.
I would go for a frame swap, even tough I don't know how many hours it would take to do it.
I would no longer drive this truck with the frame like this. If your gut says, no longer, than take the great parts off and see if you can move it over to another vehicle of the same age with a better frame.
Free truck, woah, nice one Wizard!
Frame swap. That's too cool/useful of a truck (with a bulletproof drivetrain) to part out at this point.
Frame swap or see if you can rig something safe together, I think it would be cool if it was worth it to you
frame swap sounds like a pretty fun idea, though I suspect your best play is to part out the drivetrain (either for itself or to sell)
Best comment I have seen. Parts ONLY truck.
+1 there are a lot of cheap non running trucks on copart. They're a lot lot cheaper than labor costs.
Sir you are in a unique position, you own a top end vehicle shop/garage, you've got every tool there is, and right now you have a basically free truck to work with, do a frame swap,fix a few other things, and you would have a very cool/very expensive type of vehicle, for someone like me that might not be a practical thing to do because of the cost of reliable labor in a top end shop like yours, and it's a true SS, just an idea, thankyou for the video.
Wizard, that thing looks mint for where I'm from. You would have stroked out if you saw the Ranger I drive around.
A frame swap would be neat but didn't the Wizard say it also has body rot? If it's that bad, might be best to save the power train and scrap the rest
That heat shield looks like the one Buick used to cover the turbo in the Grand National, T-Type, and GNX.
I agree with everybody, a frame swap would be great. Plus it would make an excellent video.
Very almost orb-like bug-ish type object flying by in the old clip at 16:23ish...almost like an omen lol
Fuel & brake lines, chrome diff cover… maybe some rust control and reinforcement. Safely enjoy the free ride 🎉
There are so many things that can be done with this truck. As many people have said a frame swap. If the engine and drive train are good you could swap it into a doffrent fram or sell them and junk the rest. You could part it out too. Its really all about what you want to put your time amd money into.
Time to part it out,service life reached, mission accomplished.
I bought a used truck for 13k. It was beautiful on the outside. When I bought it I didnt check the underneath, because the outside was so great looking. One day, exiting the highway, downhill at 55 mph, the brakes gave out. Was able to slow it enough for the curve of the off ramp to be safe. I limped it home and it never drive again. Brake lines were so rusted, it was like squashing a grape. The guy I had fixing it told me, well I could replace these brake lines, but your frame is so rusted it wont be safe. So, yes, I nearly has my ford f250 kill me too, haha. In a farming community, its best to check everything on trucks, as the farmers use it for hauling corrosive fertilizer and what not. The truck was so nice on the outside i used to get compliments about it. Be aware of trucks and what they were used for prior to your purchase.
If you didn't have all the other projects, I'd say do the frame swap. It's a little remarkable that the frame rust is so bad, yet the body is relatively decent. The rockers are still there, as are the cab corners and all the fenders, especially around the wheel well. Given the mileage though, as well as your busy schedule, I'd let that one go. You've essentially got your money out of it at this point.
Exactly.
Would love to see you attempt a rust rescue, not too many videos of that process. Plus these are getting rare! Great content to watch!
You’ve already made a decent investment I think it would be worth it to do a Frame Replacement. My Daily driver is also an ‘05 with 267K and worse rust than that. I’m going to do a frame swap on mine!
Wizard, I wish you'd do a video about how to prevent rust. Thanks.
Part it out and use the hood components so make an awd single cab ss, like LT did
The way I see it you have two options - 1) frame swap with new fuel and brake lines , or 2) scrap the truck . It all comes down to how you want to spend on it .
Third option: reconfigure the cabin similar to that of an off-shore racing motorboat, or at least a center console Boston Whaler (17' Montauk). Sitting in a truck with a roof is over-rated. A Chariot SS WOULD BE WAY MORE FUN.
Frame swap vote here.
I have a '03 with similar rust problems... worst in a few ways, better in a lot of ways. I'd like to frame swap it, but I can't afford the downtime right now.
Speaking of fuel smell, the top of the fuel pump can rust up, causing a fuel smell. If it does turn out to be the lines, however, those lines are real easy to swap during a frame swap. I've already had to swap the entire brake lines on mine... and my tranny lines are on borrowed time. Oddly, my fuel lines look pretty good... I'm 99% sure they are original.
Air bag light... check that wire bundle under the passenger seat. I'm chasing an air bag light problem, but my code reader doesn't read SRS codes.
Wizard should come visit Vermont and see what *real* rust looks like. That frame isn't great but it's still got some life left in it. Change the brake lines and fuel lines, reinforce the frame with some angle iron and keep driving it for another 5 years.