WATCH LIVE: Parkland School Shooter Penalty Phase Trial - Day 18
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2022
- Florida man faces trial for a catastrophic school shooting, but before he does, he must face jurors for a battery case. Prosecutors say that’s Parkland School Shooter, 23, on footage rushing a Broward County jail guard in November 2018. Jury selection is scheduled to start Tuesday, Oct. 5 at 9:30 a.m. ET. Opening statements are scheduled for Oct. 18.
The Shooter is the person facing 17 counts of first-degree murder, and 17 counts of attempted first-degree murder for opening fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Broward County, Florida on Valentine’s Day 2018. Then 19, he was a former student there. While awaiting trial at the Broward County Jail, he attacked one of the guards, say, prosecutors. In the Nov. 13, 2018 incident, the guard told him not to drag his sandals on the floor, prosecutors said. The Shooter flipped him off, and, as clear from the video, rushed him and struck him. He initially had the upper hand, but the guard regained control, and The Shooter eventually gave up.
17 people died in the high school shooting: 14-year-old student Alyssa Alhadeff, 35-year-old teacher Scott Beigel, 14-year-old student Martin Duque Anguiano, 17-year-old student Nicholas Dworet, 37-year-old assistant football coach Aaron Feis, 14-year-old student Jaime Guttenberg, 49-year-old athletic director Christopher Hixon, 15-year-old student Luke Hoyer, 14-year-old student Cara Loughran, 14-year-old student Gina Montalto, 17-year-old student Joaquin Oliver, 14-year-old student Alaina Petty, 18-year-old student Meadow Pollack, 17-year-old student Helena Ramsay, 14-year-old student Alexander Schachter, 16-year-old student Carmen Schentrup, and 15-year-old student Peter Wang.
Officials arrested The Shooter shortly after. Interview footage showed him insisting a voice in his head told him to carry out the shooting. He called it the “Demon.”
“Personally, I think you’re using the demon as an excuse,” said Broward County Sheriff’s Detective John Curcio.
The Shooter’s defense has not disputed that he is responsible. They have been trying to save him from the death penalty.
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it is so terrifying how many signs there were and still nothing was done
This isn’t being talked about enough
When the redheaded lawyer started, for a couple minutes I thought to myself "she's not doing as horrible as she has been" then a few minutes went by and I went "ope nevermind" lol
I will never understand how such a well documented troubled kid got a hold of an automatic killing machine and so much ammo. The people who sold him should be on trial too.
It's called American law
@Boston Gal doesn't AR-15 stand for Automatic Rifle?
The sale of the gun was legal.
I'm not sure about Florida, but in Virginia, they can only suspend your gun rights if you're involuntarily hospitalized. At that point you can go to court and request them back, but that depends on the situation. They can take them if you're found incompetent, insane, or convicted of a felony.
It's not easy to take someone's constitutional rights. We definitely need better gun laws, because this kid should not have owned guns.
Bcos mericA.
OMG the red head from the state is a right pain and a bit harsh towards the witnesses she keeps interrupting them. I find her to be quite rude and patronising!
She's not pleasant but she gets the job done. That's enough for me.
Agree!
@@StellaFl facts and the point of cross examination is to put the witness in a corner!
@@nenej12 The funny thing is that the witnesses whom the defense has subpoenaed work better for the prosecution 🤣🤣
Why are we wasting time with this s*** what is the reasoning I object to all of this. He planned it he orchestrated it he prepared it he methodically thought about it in his mind. This autism spectrum and this damage fetal alcohol syndrome is a bunch of f****** b*******
I never comment but I literally cringe every time the assistant state attorney cross examines. I don’t see why she has to literally argue with every single witness including the professionals. I’m sorry but she is extremely belittling and rude, yuck!
This is so sad, for both sides. Watching this from Sweden.
The are no winners in this trajedy. It is a study in what happens when mothers injest alcohol and drugs and then sells the infant to strangers.
Watching this from Norway
Watching from New Zealand.
This young man came from a drug and alcohol fumed womb and thereafter certainly fell through heaps of cracks in the school, health, mental health, foster and adoption systems in later life.
Sending Nikolas to a mainstream school was perhaps also not wise - He did not have normal development in the womb and does not seem to have learnt any valuable life skills after birth and as he grew up. He, therefore, no doubt, must have felt inferior to his school mates and certainly built lots of inward anger. Who knows, he could possibly have flourished in a school for disadvantaged children?
Various people made him feel incompetent - Neighbors and peers called him "weird", "off", etc in his presence. Absolutely scandalous, the harm that causes a young mind.
Why is a scan of Nikolas' brain not made available to the Court? What Nikolas did was truly unheard of, he murdered and wounded people after much planning, ie predetermined. His mind was certainly in a very dark place and he had so much anger driving him! Despite that I would hate to see that Nicholas may get life imprisonment or perhaps even the death penalty, whilst society failed him in so many ways.
Perhaps this is also now a very good time for the USA to realize that the existing gun laws are not working but instead are causing unnecessary deaths.
I agree
@@jx14aby actually no! Let us refrain from victimizing him too much. Hundreds of thousands of children are born to drug addicted mothers every year. While they struggle with early withdrawals, mood swings and developmental delay…they usually don’t shoot up schools. He was adopted by a loving and wealthy family. He was better off than many.
This friend of Linda!! Is the most honest and relying and accountable “witness”.. sounds like Linda was a very insecure and scared woman all her life! Linda sounded like she wanted to be looked at as a wonderful mom, friend, and wife! She was always hiding the truth! She put on a show.. SaDD!
In a nutshell, this was not a good day for the defense. Their witnesses testified that NC was a bully and that "he made bad choices", the last witness, a pharmacologist testified that he stopped taking his meds in August 2017 at the age of 19.
We already know he knew what he was doing his focus whether ADHD or not was razor sharp, he had enough organizational skills to make a plan, carry it out , and analyze the amount of horror he was capable of. He had complex thinking and abstract perception of himself in that situation, and did his own reporting and analyzing
@@mritzs5142 Perfectly expressed. Perfect coordination and zero difficulty with attention during the murders. He had also prepared his failed insanity defense (demons, man) which also shows planning.
@@StellaFl Great minds think alike 😊
@@mritzs5142 thank you couldn’t have said it better myself 👏👏👏
@@mritzs5142 analyse the horrow Awh you are a mind reader? You know that mentally I’ll people do make a plan? You know a man drove miles away and killed his parents in law with an axe and went to sleep. He was freed because he was sleeeping whilst doing it. He could plan it at sleep! He was ordered medication and help. You do know that brain is complex. You can have brain damage and be able to plan things without understanding consequences or having no empathy. Where is this line exactly? When he talks to his brother in prison , he seems normal to you? His texts seem normal to you? You need to have no observational skills to notice he is nuts. Someone you would not want to play in playground, go on a date, invite home or maybe give a gun to.
The attorney with the dark hair & glasses, who has been doing the cross examinations is very good at his job! Easy to listen, follow along, and polite to the witnesses. On the other hand, his colleague, the firey red head, has been playing mind chess with the witnesses, and I don't believe she's winning at all. Her demeanor and tone is so rude and unpleasant, not to mention unprofessional. She should take pointers from her colleague.
It's her nature.
I know she's like a scouring pad
Yes, she has a major tude. She's trying to make a name for herself but it's not working very well lol I refer to her as "Strawberry Shortcake."
OMGGG thank you for noticing what I have. I get it your job but these witnesses were subpoena to be there some not some didn't even want to. I'm glad the Judge put her in her place yesterday she needed it. Taking her Job to a whole other level. Have some respect!!!
Hi Calla Lilly beautiful name btw! Totally agree with you she needs to learn a thing or two from her colleague for sure 😊
For the red-headed broad from the prosecution, I’m truly convinced that someone dropped a house on her sister.
She's truly awful.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@christianjward I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it lol She just seems inherently angry and continuously on the defensive from her initial question to the defense's witness at the conclusion of today's day of trial. She has exhibited the same behavior twice before with other witnesses and the judge has already reprimanded her about her line of questioning and interrupting the witness answering the question as the stenographer could not keep up with two people going back and forth simultaneously.
Unfortunately.. she’s doing her job perfectly.
@@lisadee9279 she isn't though. Her cross examinations are full of misunderstandings. Aside from that, she's just rude. None of the other prosecutors are rude. Even the judge was getting fed-up of her towards the end and had to tell her twice to move on.
What a nightmare this guy is. If he was saying f you to teachers in school, I can only imagine how awful he must’ve been to his adoptive mother.
I'm surprised the school tolerated his behaviour for so long.
@@geoffpoole483 I am too
he frequently shouted at her to kill herself and she didn't deserve to live. bank teller at Lynda's bank has made statements about it, but I never saw it presented in court.
@ ownyourshit101 I heard that as well.
@@geoffpoole483 because he was developmentally delayed they thought it was part of his mental health problems and they kept recommending meds and special ed. I’ve seen special needs kids who throw tantrums and cuss but, of course, none turned out to become killers
This is going to come down to twelve people’s feelings about the death penalty.
Nikolas Cruz has begged in journals for the death penalty..how much of that is reverse psychology 🤔
they were all polled and answered under oath that they would be capable of voting in favor of the death penalty if they find just.
During jury selection, in a case like this one, those who are 100% against the death penalty or 100% want the death penalty are vetted out. Each juror who is there has said they would give death if the evidence showed it is warranted and life behind bars if that is what the evidence convinces them he deserves.
Oh my god the lawyer who kept asking her about specific dates after being repeatedly told that she didn't have any contact with Nicolas after 2010 :X I wonder if they get embarrassed at all when they have to stuff like this.
He was trying to make a point for asking those questions. an important one.
“what would you rather be doing?”
“Running on the street killing animals and setting fires”
EXCUSE ME
Don’t know what the defense is trying to prove with some of these witnesses. They just proved he was a bully who was capable of regulating his behavior when a “strong man” was in the room.
I think this lack of "strong man" at home was why he thought he could just walk all over everyone.
He isn't crazy; he's evil. What he did to those kids and staff was premeditated with malicious intent to kill.
I believe Nicolas is going to get lucky and get life without the possibility of parole.
Or a woman who doesn’t take BS
@@foreveryours7464 someone dropped you on your head! He is getting death he killed way to many children majority of them were freshman and female! Some of the students he shot more than 13 times! Also he killed 3 teachers! One of the teachers body was torn from the ar 15 ammo! He is done!
This poor woman, I felt so sorry for her having to go through all of this. being asked questions that she has already said she dose not know. This is a rotten thing for her to go through being so unwell.
I feel like she’s happy to do it for the deceased adoptive mother who was a friend
@@corinapopescu8791 she definitely isn’t happy to talk about how her deceased friends adopted son killed 20 people.
In every debate about abortion this boy should be the poster child for a woman’s right to terminate a pregnancy.
I think the bio mom did it for money. Mr and Mrs Cruz paid her something to the tune of $50,000 for Nikolas.
@@lumpstersmouse5471 I did not know that. Thank you
The prosecutor hounding an elderly woman on oxygen is disgusting. She tells him she hasn't been in their lives since 2010 and he goes on and on about 2013. That woman was patient - I wouldn't have been.
I know.. How many times did she tell him ??
Me as well, he was a knucklehead! Even the victim’s side objected and he still went on…..weird!
The judge should have sustained the objection asked and answered and shut that whole line of questioning down.
@@deb9869 He had to to show the jury how much the women didn't know about Nikolas as well. How many years she hadn't seen him. He also want the jury to see how much help he had had.
This would be a great case study of nature vs nurture
Honestly sounds like nurture wasn’t all there either, tbh
"Strawberry Shortcake" seems to like to get combative with the defenses witnesses. I have yet to see her cross any witness without getting a major attitude with someone.
Bcos they don't t answer the questions she asked and she is the only one that tries to enforce it.
@@mizztia5303 her questions are so unclear to even understand that no matter what they answer she claims it is not an answer.
There is nothing but sad..both sides a tragedy
RED HEAD LADY IS VERY RUDE..
Hi cruz
So embarrassing AGAIN for the red head
She's one snippy family counselor.
Good for the last witness for standing her ground to the state attorney. She tried to pick and choose pieces of information and this witness checked her and said No, she was discounting a lot of information. Good for her.
it doesn't really matter, does it? The jury heard that NC stopped taking his medication freely as an adult.
@@StellaFl it's still risk for an appeal if she was trying to hold back info and got caught.
@Stella f.. Not sure how NC, not being on any med for months before the shooting may sway the jury. My thinking is since he wasn't on any drugs at the time of the shooting.Maybe he didn't have self control.
Why no trial today? 31st. Was supposed to start at 9. Sheesh!
Starts at 1pm EST
what is the purpose of this such questioning. Asking her to read notes that she had no knowledge about wt?
Is there no court today for this trial?
Starts a 1pm EST
How many fking times did the witness have to say she was not aware of anything beyond 2010 for him to comprehend? Stop asking questions beyond that time period!!! She’s a sick lady this isn’t a game or a joke.
Hey state…. The redhead has to go….she is horrible
She's clearly trying to make a name for herself. She's succeeding, but not for the reasons she wants!
Many comments about her today! She's awful 😖 😱 😨
There’s a video of her pretending to scratch her face with her middle finger and Cruz was laughing. This has been the only time I’ve seen him laugh. She has no problem joking around with him. I saw the video on Reddit.
The family counselor is beautiful
Why didn't the teachers and counselors communicate?
Need to put up the dates he was seeing a therapist against his referrals. That would be interesting to see.
interesting how much the Judge effects the tone with in the Courtroom as those writing both fiction. & non fiction often remark . As those of us who become intrigued by these contentious cases of whom I am one the atmosphere that pervades frim.the bench & encompasses even more expensive witnesses leaves me miserable. Yes THIS IS .A very serious case but that means the Judge should attempt to ease the difficulties facing all involved with a certain warmth in her approach but rather she comes across as sanctamoniiysly cold .This phase is actually harder to watch than the Prosecution because as the friends & family members told often with such a raw sense of loss & love the reactions between themselves spoke of that commerarderie & sense of their support toward each other one knew that there had been , however hard this public telling of loss was that seeing so many standing besides them WAS a firm.if Healing . They provided a warmth BECAUSE they all .realize how an encouraging smile gives courage . The Judge has sat there like Medusa .allowing the lawyers to badger several witnesses never stopping the uncessary repetitive harassing even when it us the 6th time that particular individual has been asked the same question .Begin to wi Der how many of these officials also have ' learning disabilities ' Does this equal a new meaning for " inadequate counsel " on appeal & questionable Judging by the judge ? Something truly seems terribly incongruous ..The Jury must be absolutely miserable as they file in facing this cold atmosphere no wonder there are so many breaks . Maybe it is a surfeit .of " superfluous " from the .breaks to.repetious questions
yeah she's very cold & often frustrated/annoyed
@@Leah.C. Many judges fail to realise that a court room is an alien environment for most people. Judge Scherer's appointment had absolutely nothing to do with her wealthy father's support for the GOP. She's there entirely on merit.
As if you don't sort Ur phone out before hand. Even if I was on my death bed. I realise pple are mostly not like me. Pple want any sort of power.
So am I. I feel for her health. However does not make it ok!!!!!!!
@@mizztia5303 You are not very elderly, terminally ill and on an oxygen tank (based off picture)…you can’t compare your health to hers
wow nikki was a bad student as well as a bully...the other professionals who said he wasn't a bully LIED!
Nik cruz
@@BobSmith-ll9ol that’s what his neighbor called him
He wasn't a bully he was heavily medicated and was not taking his meds regularly just because he picked up the meds doesn't mean he was taking them many people don't like the effects
death sentence ? to handicapped people? almost barbaric !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killing seventeen people is also barbaric.
@@slaws2279 of course,for both sides a tragedy.......but.simple minds, of course, cannot tell the difference
The defense is struggling with the Councilor . Brutal.
She wasn't a good witness.
@@starrynyts1844 she gave the prosecution what they wanted
you were able to briefly see the jurors in 5:37:59
😬
You cant see their faces, but it was a close one.
Why even would that camera be partially pointed at the jury?!
Oof I hope they don't try for mistrial because of this. They could argue jurors had public pressure to make a certain decision because people knew who they were :/
Ooh la la
👀
Does anyone know if Roxanne has been on the stand. I think she should be since Nicholas was staying with her when this happened.
I think they said something before about her not being there as she was deported back to Canada.
That witness was so unprofessional. She could've somewhat went over her own notes beforehand.
Did you go over your notes ? "Yes I did"... Proceeds to not know or remember anything.
As soon as she said; she perused her notes I was thinking, her we go because that said right there she was unprepared. I can't imagine her not being not being told she should read them. Or maybe that's what someone suggested she do (only preude her notes). This could've been her first time testifying in court.
She obviously didn’t wanna be there, can you blame her for it? I would definitely not want to be there
Well. It's obvious he can control himself. After all, he's been sitting there quietly for weeks. What's your point? We can't excuse evil people for shooting up a school because they couldn't run or hold a spoon when they were toddlers!
It seems so ironic, in light of the planning, plotting shooter's open declarations regarding his feelings about people of color, prior to the mass killing..that these lovely therapists and family friends would be willing to do their best to support him.
This is judge seems to be extremely patient tolerant doesn't she have any say so about calling you to an end and finishing it up move on to the jury can make a decision which I hope is the right decision that the parents want to hear
Omg! The counselor and school board. Knew he was talking about violence! No excuse this counselor should of had him committed!! And tok legal action!! He should of been institutionalized at 3 years old! Everyone walked on eggshells! All teachers, counselors, mother, neighbors, this is how a drugged womb effects mental illness n violence
This last witness is giving the red hair lady a run for her money 🤣🤣
Zachary Cruz had the same mom!
Noone with brain damage makes the right choices
Millions of people with brain damage around the globe, mass shooter: ONE. And btw, his "brain damage" is still alleged.
The family counselor barely remembered anything I swear
Are people in this chat really making fun of how the last doctor looks. I wonder how many high level degrees you have. For all you know her face could have been disfigured in an accident, from birth, etc. This trial is about a heartbreaking mass murder that destroys so many lives not about witnesses physical appearance. Just saying!
More concerned that in every video people are coughing up along. Why are they letting sick people into the courtroom
@@robertwilliams5618 People don't always cough because they are sick. Could just have dry throats from dry air, if the court is airconditioned. Also allergies etc.
@@BobSmith-ll9ol ah well, it is a part of life and how the body works. They got a job to do and a simple dry cough shouldnt stop that. If it was say a cold cough then yeah, they shouldnt be there. This type of cough is very normal and not harmful.
@@robertwilliams5618 Next time you cough, self flagellate.
5:24:41 You've been overruled.. SIT DOWN COUNSELOR. I've seriously reached my wits end with this complete lack of professionalism and decorum from the defense.
Nikolas Cruz was dealt the worst hand in life. He did not choose to have a drug addicted mother. He was not born with the same faculties the rest of us (most of us anyway) were born with so he was incapable of dealing with the complexities of life the way society expects us too. Nikoals did not choose to have his father die when he was five. Nikolas did not choose to have a psychopathic younger brother who made his life miserable. Mrs. Cruz, God bless her heart did the best she could with an impossible situation. As a mother, I put myself in her shoes and I just cannot imagine what she went through, and if she was alive to see this, my heart breaks for her and Nikolas. Nikolas had nature and nurture going against him. All of these are mitigating circumstances, whether you like it or not. I am not making excuses for Nikolas. Nikolas Cruz should have been in a locked down in-patient facility. But these do not exist for patients like Nikolas Cruz. It is tragic how all the teachers and therapists and doctors each had their own experience and knowledge of Nikolas, but there was no communication or coordination to adequately address the condemned soul that is Nikolas Cruz. No one had a complete picture of Nikolas, just pieces to a puzzle. If they had the whole picture, they should have Bakered him. Then he could not have purchased the guns. The victims and their families deserve justice, but what is justice? I had to look it up: Justice is a concept of moral rightness based on ethics, rationality, law, natural law, religion, or equity. It is also the act of being just and/or fair. Certainly the victims did not deserve what they got, nor do the families deserve the pain they are suffering, but is Nikolas’s death is just retribution. It is not justice. It will not bring them back or make them whole. Nikolas’s death will not make anything better for them. Nickolas is guilty and he should be punished, but is death a reasonable and just punishment?
Yeah but he understands death as he lost his Dad then his Mum. He knew how hurt he was. He thought it through, and with complete excitement he went to hopefully kill at least 20 kids.
He knew he would probably die, knew it was wrong, he still did it anyway. I only feel sorry for all the kids that have permanent damage as a reminder for the rest of their lives. Also the families who are left behind to suffer.
If death is not a big deal to him, then give him the death penalty.
I'm sorry but the elderly lady should not be on her phone. She could have told her kids before hand. Total arrogance and could be asking for answers etc. My god is this what we accept during a death penalty trial
For sure, add it to the list of potential justifications for an appeal
I agree, they were way too lenient on her. it seems as though she had someone else in the home with her, she could have been answering the phone.
This was her deposition which they weren't planning to use as testimony in this trial. She was not able to testify now due to health reasons.
This was not a live testimony. The judge said this before playing the video. This was a prerecorded deposition. She was unable to testify, so they used this.
Thank you for clarifying I didnt know this! Personally I would not dare check my phone even in a deposition! However I realise I was built different and I prob need a bit more arrogance in me. X
What?? NC is a bully too?? I thought he got bullied so I actually felt alittle bad for me .. now I feel like a fool
I actually heard this echoed from day 1 of the shooting.
You can tell he is not a cowering victim who just snapped in a rage. His eyes are very flat and without genuine emotion behind them.
The witnesses for the defense really don't want to be there, unless they were the family friends.
Probably those that were friends of the adoptive mother. They feel sorry for her because she seemed like a woman who just wanted to have kids and do her best. Thank goodness she didn’t live to see this horror
When will this trial end?
November
The veredict will be LIFE
I think so. 😏
LMFAO!! Listen…… LINDA’S! The red head is a BEAST!!!! Much respect red head with the bun!!!!! I AGREE WITH YOU LEGALLY LIKE NO OTHER!!!
That's what you call cold hearted and godless murderer
Godless doesn’t mean anything
Shes. Doing. A good job answering questions even. Though. Shes. Not feelimg. Well exellent
From every video of this I hear people coughing up along every single video? They should not have sick people in the courtroom
Have to say, state/prosecution won today, did a great job retargeting and highlighting the real issues, and showed that NC really was a manipulator, and obviously could make good/dbad decisions mindfully when it came down to it. Very effective, up until the red head attorney came to cross, really? again? pivot your approach lady...... SMH.
she scares me, and not much scares me! she is tough.
@@brandeesmith she just doing her job lol...i think the second lead attorney and the other female prosecutor should do more cross examination
So far, I personally think the defense has done a good job of showing that Cruz was damaged before the day he was born. That is just a fact. Once this is over, it'll be up to the jury to decide what they want to do with that information. Personally, I'm grateful I'm not one to have to make that decision. I have no clue what I would do. I really don't.
@@justthatgirl-ct4jo We have a law that states we do not execute insane people. This jerk is clearly off his rocker and we are now understanding why. hth
@@justthatgirl-ct4jo I compltely agree, defense is great too, and I also stand by his damage prior to birth as contributing factors to definitely consider as well. It is sad all across the board.
ADHD doesn’t make you a school shooter. Sorry defense you got it all wrong. Now I feel for those who have ADHD and will now be stigmatized for one very sick individual.
Ummm no , it does not . Because noone gives them gun. Go to special needs school and give them guns and check after a month. This is what i have seen in ADHD ( properly diagnosed not hyperactive child as so many people now are diagnosed as adhd and autistic)
- hit teacher in the head
- punched teacher and started pulling hair while shouting
- shouting spitting saying everyone should die at age 13, banging school bench , had to be restrained and sent to hospital . Was back Im a week them transferred.
Autistic 14 year old
- kicked a 2 year old in the stomach like a ball . Toddler flew onto the wall.
Difference is none of those kids had guns neither any sharp objects could be stores next to them.
There's more to him than ADHD...
You are reading too deep into this. The defence is trying to prove that his childhood life was horrible and that he deserves a second chance in life be it in jail. They don’t want him to face the death penalty. Whereas the prosecutors are focusing on the crime itself and for Cruz to die because of it. It’s up to the jury to decide what is the best option.
people with mental health disorders have been always stigmatized. not all patients with mental health disorders get involved in criminal acts, but majority of criminals have underlying mental health disorders.
People that are disabled cannot be sentence to death so they’re trying to prove that he is disabled not that people with ADHD are school shooters.
Is the trial live today 31st August?
At the end of this video the judge says there was a change in start time tomorrow so yes they are in trial today just don’t know what time it starts
Should be at 1PM est today
Wait I now see it says 1pm ET
Thank you !!
Help me understand, he pled guilty, it was horrendous, he has obviously been a misfit since a young age, again, he pled guilty - what exactly is the prosecutions objective here - he pled guilty, he has been a misfit since a young child, what is the prosecution trying to prove, what he did was awful, nothing will take away the pain of MSD victims, but I am at a loss here, what is the point of the prosecution.
The prosecution or the defense?
Prosecution’s point is death
Translations is just so terribly incorrect if you are a death person it should be 100 perc correct
@@missvegasable they were trying to say the translations and subtitles are not correct so deaf people would have a lot of trouble following case
It was during Jessica Flournoy’s tesitmony when she was reading aloud all of the behavior problems for referrals that it shows without a doubt he played the system, is a con artist & is a manipulator. He knows right from wrong. He had a mother who tried to get so much help from therapists& counseling. He knew when not to act up, what to say to not trigger flags in therapy. I feel so bad for the teachers & students from this point 7th/8th grade until the murders. The defense can try to spin this story. But evil is evil and I don’t think we’ll ever figure out his mind or why. It’s as simple as every thing he writes and says.
Ok, but the FBI was shown what he wrote online. Cops had come 40 times. Why didn’t they do anything like Baker Act him as the defense attorney says? They also failed the victims by not talking this guy and putting him away a long time ago
5:37:35
Defense must be REGRETTING calling this school counselor. But she kept it 💯 and said it like it is: NC could control his behavior yet chose to make poor decisions.
💣BOOM! That was a bombshell statement. Demolished the defense's entire strategy.
The defense doesn’t call people always in their favor, those people on the defense were subpoenaed to appear to court and they’re supposed to give their unbiased outlook. It’s more so a collaboration between his lawyers and the judge to make sure that both sides of the story are portrayed accurately.
The defense is also trying to show (poorly) that he did not get the help he needed from
School personnel.
@@helend83 you’re absolutely right. He was in programs he just wasn’t committed to it. Ever heard the phrase “can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped?”
I’m not buying it🤷🏻♀️
4:20 - 5:30 lawyer is really annoying. Asks small irrelevant detail questions, both hands are constantly flyng around when talking , wanders around all over the court, constantly fiddling and shuffling papers.
She’s unprofessional, attitude problems too
@@haileym444 he
I really don't understand why tax payers in the US have to pay for such an incredibly loooong and insanely expensive trial, just for a guy whose guilt is not even disputed, who killed 17 people. Whats the point really? Whether he is gonna spend life in prison or be executed? in both cases this is not going to bring the victims back, and in both cases the murderer will never walk out free again, so the major concern has already been solved for a long time. The trial could last 10 minutes to be honnest. Even the defendant doesn't care if he gets life or death.
This only happens in a death penalty case. They have to go over aggravating and mitigating factors. Had he plead guilty in a state without the death penalty, he would just go on to be sentenced.
There you go she said it you have it she was clearing articulate and she was right to the point
Can see some of the jury at 5:37:55. This is the second time they have done this! You can see them at on the right side, bottom
One was wearing a pink top
Yep I saw another one too
Do any of you think that there could be a mistrial because of this?
What time tomorrow?
1pm ET
It is INSANE...that NC has so many glaring mental health issues that were documented and was still able to purchase a gun. Insane....
And whyyyyyy were all of these violent and aggressive actions in school (7th/8th grade) not escalated beyond the school staff!
NC should have been in an in-patient center and there's no way he should have been able to purchase a rifle.
He totally should be held accountable...clearly he can manage his behavior in front of certain authority figures and has sat silently during this trial....he knew what he was doing. I'm just saying ...there's no way he should have had access to a weapon
3:04:52 something about this witness I don't like... She just gives me a vibe that she did the bare minimum required to have a job. 5:13:13 and again I don't like her.. seriously, just read the article. This guy killed 17 people, heaven forbid we offend anyone's sensibility by using foul language.
What is 'or happens in Side bar"
Basically the lawyers argue to the judge what the jury is allowed to hear and judge says yay or nay to it.
Because his family had money they let him away with all the crap
Judge is already talking about a break...wtf
Damaged person or not, he is well aware of the differences of what is right and wrong, what is good and bad, what is to give and to take away. He knew killing those 17 people was wrong, he knew it was bad and he decided to take lives away from loved ones anyway.
Is there trial today ???????
I'm waiting too. I think the judge said yesterday it would be a different starting time today, but she didn't say when
1 PM ET
@@cf2993 agreed. They had 1 hour 15 min lunch break yesterday. The judge in the Trevor Summers case was giving 20-30min lunch break
They should had did something
At long last we have witness testimony to coroborate what I have been thinking from Day 1 of this Sentencing Trial.
Lynda Cruz's best friend (at the time) saw with her own eyes how "The Coward" would manipulate (its) mother if (it) did not get (its) way. (It) would throw tantrums but most of all.....(it) would sit at a table slouched in his chair. (It) would pout; often times looking "sad". Now..... Lynda loved her son more than anything in the world & would do anything for (it). When she looked over at him, she would see how "sad" (it) looked & then would relent & no matter what (it) had done, all would be forgiven. The Defendant knew this ploy would work & would use it again when the urge would hit.
Lynda would seek out the best "At Needs" schools in Florida that would adhere to her son's progress through the years. However.....(it) had many problems such as acting out, biting other children amongst others. The Defendant would be penalized that included suspensions. (It) would also know how to get out of some jams by playing the sullen & pouty self & was able to manipulate (its) way into the "good graces" of some of the teachers. (It) knew how to get its way. It) had the where-with-al to formulate a plan to escape possible punishments. (It) used this self-developed program through the years.
Let's move on to the present day. During this Sentencing Trial, it seems to be that the techniques for gaining "sympathy" is being used by "The Coward" once again. This time?? The target is the Jury.
When the State presented Audio Evidence, it clearly showed that "The Coward" was up to (its) manipulations. When the Audio was played, the sounds of gunshots could be heard. "The Coward" started to cover his ears & slump in his chair. Was "The Coward" trying to show the Jury that the noise was disturbing to (it)?? Was "The Coward'" upset at what had happened? Fiddle-sticks!!! (It) was hoping to get the "sympathy vote" from the Jury Panel. Let's remember this.....(it) had fired over 100 ROUNDS during the massacre. The loud sounds of the bullets did'nt seem to disturb or faze this Low-Life at that time!! So why now?? As mentioned above, (it) is attempting to "manipulate" the Jury's mindset. Stuff that (it) does to accomplish this feat, must at all times raise red flags🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
When the 17 Survivors who had been shot testified, "The Coward" slouched in (its) chair, fixated (its) eyes on the table & started to doodle on paper, the expression on "The Coward's" face sorta read like this:
"I'm not a bad person. I'm not
well so please don't give me
the Death Sentence for killing
the other 17 people. Please
feel sympathy for me."
This "Coward" could not face the Survivors nor the relatives of those (it) murdered who were sitting in the Court Gallery. Award "The Coward" with sympathy? Think NOT!!
⚘️Let's all take a moment to remember the facts of February 14, 2018 :⚘️
1) This "Coward" made a CONCIOUS DECISION in purchasing an AR-15 automatic rifle alongwith an arms length of other artillary items as he marched to his former High-School.
2) This "Coward" brought an additional 11 Magazines for (its) AR-15 as he PLANNED to kill as many students & teachers as possible. (It) was prepared for a war!!
3) "The Coward" knew exactly which building (it) was attacking from the multi-building Campus.
4) Upon finishing his rampage, 'The Coward" made a planned & decisive "escape plan" by going to the 2d floor stairwell where (it) abandoned (its) vest & weaponary. "The Coward" then intermingled with other students as they were fleeing the building with their arms raised & (it) then made (its) escape. (Thankfully, NOT for too long of an extended period of time.)
5) Before "The Coward" went on (its) devestating attack, (it) sent a text to a few people saying that (its) former High-School was going to get (paraphasing) a "...big event"...That people were going to know that it "...was him..." as the instigator of this "...event..."
What does this all mean?? "The Coward" had the "where-with-all" & "mental faculties" to carry-out this horrific attack.
The "Coward's" Defense Team is going to attempt to portray the Defendent as a "victim" from birth as (it) was diagnosed with "Fetal Alcohol Syndromn" which caused a few serious medical problems. However...through time..."The Coward's" medical situation had & has improved. As well, through the years, it has been proven that "The Coward" has used "Manipulation" to aquire a goal of (its) own. It shows that (it) DOES know the difference between "Right & Wrong". The Defendant's Birth-Mother had a heavy alcohol problem as well as a severe drug problem. Under guidance, the Defense is attempting to show that due to the Mental INcapabilities of the Defendant, the "Coward" should NOT be Sentenced To Death as according to Mental Health Guidelines.
That being said.....the Evidence & Testimony collected to date, seems to indicate otherwise.
《A foot-note:》 As you may have observed, I refer to the Defendant as "it", " its" or "The Coward". I refuse to recognize this "entity" as a "Human Being".
The way "The Coward" is conducting (it)self is abhorent. When the injured (survivors) came forth to testify, I was disgusted at (its) refusal to look at them. Slouching in (its) chair, eyes fixated on the table, told me (it) was looking out for nobody else but (it)self. I do believe that the way (it) was presenting (it)self, (it) was trying to hide; a "Coward"!! As well, I think (its ) attempting to gain some "sympathy" from the Jury. "Oh Woe Is Me" are the words that come to mind. You don't have to agree with my views. I just wanted to explain why "The Coward's" actual name, does not appear.
Please hush. The fact that you wrote all that is telling of some issues u may have on board. Goodness gracious
@@stephaniewilson2112 but you read it
@@scooter9657 Like I said, you need to delve within and figure some things out. I absolutely did not read that "comment" (essay). That is laughably presumptuous of you. Your absurdity actually lifted my spirits. Sometimes all I need is a good belly laugh.
The judge does not like the red head and her attitude either
I wonder if there is a correlation to male vs female authority figures. Like the "4th period" teacher... was that a male teacher? He had experience with his mom who sounds like a pushover so perhaps he treated female teachers like they were pushovers and try to manipulate and walk all over them. He sounds like a manipulative, entitled kid. Im all for 2nd amendment rights but I do believe someone who shows severe socioemotional issues should be closely monitored.
Will this trial chang anything?
No...
So its kind of entertainment purpose only like watching a tv serie everybody is curiouse about the ending and speculating.
Once its done no one cares anymore till the next case of this kind appeares.
Thats how problens are solved.
Day 18
Is this getting beyond ridiculous now? All at the expense of the taxpayer..., sentence this admitted killer already.... enough is enough
Bobby I'll will clear that up for you. No matter what verdict is reached, Cruz will likely be behind bars with three square meals, and a bed. Plus he will have access of many items to get by with the time. Your taxpayer money pays for that regardless. What is your point?
There is no defense really just caracter witnesses for both sides
learn to spell
What?
This is mitigation and there’s plenty to consider. Every witness I’ve seen in this proceeding for the defendant has been excellent and compelling. The defense is doing their job, and doing it well. It will be interesting to see what the jury recommends.
What's with the inappropriate shushing of the judge? So unprofessional... 4:31
Jurors visible at 5:37
I dont see that?
This person was damaged before he was born. The crimes that he committed were truly horrendous and were committed by a truly damaged human being. I honestly don't know what the consequences should be. I would struggle as a juror. I would need to look up what constitutes a death sentence in his state. As a juror, I would have to simply go by that, because from a moral perspective, I just don't know what what to think. If a person is not in complete control of their behavior, what should be done? How should we view this as a society? He's clearly not safe to be out in society. Do some people need to just be put down regardless of their inability to fully understand their own behavior? Or should should death only be given for someone who is in full control, but decided to do such a horrible thing anyway? I honestly don't know what to think. It's human nature to want revenge, but is revenge always right? I think this is why we hand these decisions over to a jury, because revenge would typically be the decision of the victims. Revenge is not always justice. I wonder how I would feel if he were my son and I wonder how I would feel if my son were a victim of his. I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make this decision, because for me, it's not simple.
Well said I feel the same way I'm conflicted as well. I'm glad I'm not on the jury God Bless them.
It was literally a perfect storm. Idk how anyone didnt see it coming
@@uggggggghhhhh One of his teachers did. She stored his "school work" for years. It had all types of horrific stuff drawn and written on it
Seems kind of unfair to force people to be here with sapiners while this is being streamed to millions of people
I think it's subpoena, not sapiner
@@cecisharp 😀
Welcome to the judicial system. Witnesses being subpoenaed is quite common.
Imagine what any trial would look like if witnesses just said no I don’t want to
@@sawardfamily How about not releasing the footage to the public then? I'd feel so violated not wanting to be their, then being forced and viewed by millions of people
In general we are over-medicated
@@missvegasable you missed my point...too much medication is prescribed to kids and teens...changing of meds as well. It's ruining them.
6:00:05 - Is it just me, or is this womans face looking very unnatural?! It looks so strange.
Seems to me you are VERY jealous of her. Get over yourself you sound crazed !
Botox facelift lip fillers you name it
I thought that too 😊
"Project Orion" William Cooper, Behold A Pale Horse. Nuff Said.
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Seems to me that Ms. Flournoy is not very competent at her job.
I am wondering if the school shooters are the results of fetal alcohol or drug use during pregnancies. The Country needs to start doing studies about these children born to drug and alcohol addicts to see if there is any correlation.
Now I understand why, atleast in this case, kids that behave this way go on to bring guns to school.
Why wouldn't they? They're allowed to get away with outrageous behavior in their classes day after day!
You're telling me that NO ONE became alarmed by this kid?
And how about the parents of his classmates? There must have been some students in his shared classes that complained to their parents about Nicolaus. Why didn't any of these parents get more involved in the school's, I'll use their terminolgy, "POOR CHOICES" with how they dealt with Nicolaus?
I'm not excusing Nicholas' actions that day when I say the following.
This school is as responsible for the events that day as Nicholas. He's the kid! Since when is it ok for 1 kid to control a class and an adult not to act like the adult when he acts like a kid?
Atty. Marcus ia SOOOOOO MUCH BETTER than the red haired prosecutor.
"normal mother"?!?! Wtf - a mum who adopts a baby is just as much a mum as one who gives birth to the baby! Can't believe he said that 🤯