What CIVIL WAR Is Really About
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Alex Garland’s Civil War has been a controversial movie since its announcement and even more so after its first trailer. Now that it’s actually here, what can we make of it? In this video, I explain what I see as Garland’s intended meaning and what I personally took away from it. Give it a listen then let me know your own thoughts and interpretation in the comments!
0:00 A True Anti-War Film
8:56 Humanizing the Press
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I don't think the ending implies that Lee has decided that journalism is important or "worth dying for." In the end, she sacrifices her life-not for a photo, but for a person. She finally intervenes, instead of taking a photo of Jessie being shot and killed. That's her arc.
Especially considering the question Jessie asks Lee about ‘what you take a picture if I’d got shot’ - only to save her in the end. Enjoyed that detail
Yes, exactly.
@@wowsuchname1939 wow that is so big-brained - great catch!
@@wowsuchname1939. Basically giving away the ending during the movie.
Agreed
I think the most telling moment in the movie is actually during the end credits in which a slowly developing picture of smiling Western Forces troops are standing over the dead body of the now deceased former president, like you might find big game hunters showing how proud they are of having "bagged a big one". Rather than showing either remorse for the state of affairs that led to this outcome, I think it is more telling as to how civil wars don't lead toa a new "resurgent democracy" and "rule of law". Instead, acts of violence in the name of democracy taken during the Civil War just lead to yet ***more*** violence in the name of democracy and the rule of law. It is for this reason that Civil War demonstrates that these particular kinds of internecine conflict within a fracturing state, are NOT unifying actions that support the political state, but destructive ones, leading to further yet fracturing of the states remaining after the conflict has culminated.
This is what I find most frightening about Alex Garland's movie.
ok pog
@@LibertarianUSA1982 , what do you mean by “pog”? I’ve never heard of that as a word or an acronym.
@@DADGAD_Rick People other than grunt
Without jumping to conclusions (and I don't know if the person has served) he is suggesting that you haven't served and do not comprehend the mentality of a squad and the nature of combat. Referring to your reaction to the picture, just my opinion, it reminded me of the picture they took when DEA caught Escobar.
The callousness of the conflict was hard to watch I agree with you there, some of the scenes were set up so well it felt like it could be just around the corner.
I watched this in imax and I jumped in my seat whenever guns were shot.
Good thing u are not in the army
@@503thekid😂😂😂😂
@@503thekidarmy guys jumped harder cause that PTSD hit em in the cranials
@@503thekid hey buddy, u commenting on everything I post ?😏 but yeah Im not around guns that much. And the movie kinda shows why it would suck to be in the army. Guess u missed that message 😂
That’s because the sound design, which was brilliant, made it seem like you felt those shots right in your chest.
This movie hit hard. I was a US Army Combat Engineer, but I always had my camera with me, other than basic and AIT, it was always by my side just like my M16. I've always wanted to be a photographer, although I never intended to be a combat photographer, because I had my camera with me, I was. I don't exactly know how to react, or how to express what I'm feeling after watching this movie. I guess... Actually, I don't know. I've been sitting here fore about ten minutes trying to put into words the thoughts and feelings I have, and yet, I can't.
Iraq veteran- yeah I get it.
M4?
Same here. Still at a loss of words.
Although there were some questionable directorial decisions (such as a couple of scenes that played music that was WAY too jovial for how serious it was-ie one of those annoying “hey this film is so indie, look at how indie we are!!” moments)I think it does a good job demonstrating that there are no true “winners” when we are in the middle of killing each other
You were 12 bravo?
Something I realised about the film is right up until they reach the Western Forces base, you never find out which soldiers/militiamen are on which side. The only time you know which side is which is when the Western Forces attack DC.
If it’s anything like Yugoslavia, we’d have lots of warlords here so it makes sense to keep it vague
Alll war criminals are associated with Western Forces, /Ferderal soldiers are only shown as victims , guys in gas station- rebels, mob attacking some federal building/then executing defenders - rebels ally of western forces , Jesse Plemons character - psychopath but no US insighnia so Western forces ally.
It's crazy seeing how many people are complaining the film never explains the origins of the war or go into the "lore". That's just not what the film is about at all. People complaining the film isn't a completely different thing, like going into Saving Private Ryan and complaining that it didn't cover the lore of Hitler's rise.
Right lol I guess they arent aware that in REALITY we are in a divided country where 10 years ago we were fighting for " womens rights " via 3rd wave feminism. Presently these same " women " are now saying they don't EVEN KNOW WHAT A WOMEN IS.
A WOMEN TO THEM IS
A WOMEN IS SOMEONE WHO IDENTIFIES AS A WOMEN LMAO LOL
OK
THAN WTF
IS A GOD DAM WOMEN!!?
It’s likely due to the way the film was marketed.
@@istrumguitarsno, I think it stems from people wanting their own political beliefs to be overtly validated.
@@Hack_The_Planet_that’s exactly what it is. I’ve seen posts on Twitter of people butthurt about the fact that their side wasn’t portrayed as the good guys.
It’s also funny because the title is actually a double entendre. The Civil War title is directed at the main character, Kirsten Dunst. She is brought to an internal civil war by Cailee Staenley’s character. She had killed off her humanity, but being with a woman who was once her, makes her look at herself and she has a return of the humanity she has killed off.
The idea the FBI is a check on the president's power is hilarious
The FBI honestly should be dismantled. We were built with local law enforcement so a larger federal law enforcement force doesn't have to much power and all the FBI has done since it was created is have way to much power. Federal law enforcement agencies lead to tyranny so the president in the movie doesn't seem all that bad honestly.
He's basically taking away one of his puppet strings in law enforcement by dismantling the FBI.
They are, whether it is believed or not. They have supreme power when it comes to Federal law. For example what happened with Trump and Hinter Biden
@@DARTHTORO99 what are you talking about? The FBI is an independent unelected sphere in the US govt which, like the CIA, only seeks to further its own aims
@@DARTHTORO99 Trump pays a porn star for a sexy time and he goes on trial, Bill Clinton goes to Epstine island and nothing happens to him, not to mention all the pointless wars started.
The film is incredible, and not enough people have praised its cinematography. It looks gorgeous. The scenery while they’re driving after the “what kind of American are you” moment is one of my favorites of the year.
YES! And when the song fades into them heading into the WF base. Chills.
This movie may be attempting to humanize press for those that hate them, but I think the end of this film is an absolute critique on wartime journalism. And not a favorable one. It also feels like a statement on us, the viewer and humanity. In a similar, but much more subtle way than something like ‘Funny Games’.
Yeah i felt that too... Jesse is bankrupt by the end of the movie... And she is a surrogate for us i think and our craving for drama
Vicarious by Tool comes to mind. They were onto something.
Actually, I think the film was a severe criticism of the press and media. All the characters never even expressed any concern about which side was winning, and only cared about able to reach a certain place by a certain time to cover the story. At the end they didn't even care about the deaths of their own teammates. Neither Jessie nor Joel even stopped to check if Lee was really dead. Jessie got the shot she wanted, and Joel got his exclusive coverage of the dying president.
A lot of people are missing the point of the movie. You can only buy half a tank and a few cans for 300 CAD.
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@@bridewar I suppose Canada is stable economy in this madness (and suppose their 300USD is valued 20USD in our world /300CAD /40-45litres= 6,5CAD/L(nothing extreme for limited suply and war zone)
what a... pfftt.
Canadian is $0.67… or $200 USD now… so what you talking about? Inflation is common in all Civil Wars. Confederate dollar dropped to Gokd from 95 cents to 2 cents at the end… up and down but mostly down. If the USA government was going down, inflation would spike! Union dollar was 97 cents in early 1862 but bounced around 75 to 45 cents on the gold dollar… hitting a low of 34 cents (so $3 paper dollars would buy one Gold Dollar coin.). Losing side of Civil Wars always have massive inflationary pressures.
The film is doing several things.
Its bringing discussion on a serious topic.
Its making people think. (Something that extremist on both sides don't want)
Its exposing citizens of the possibility
It also makes you think about those that is hoping such a war happens.
The future is full of possibilities...
it's also inspirational piece of art
Also depicts if trump wins 2024, a theory
@@mikeohawk95 🙄 I wouldn't be surprised if you have to have your mommy and daddy check in your closet and under your bed every night to make sure there's no Trumps hiding waiting to come and git ya
@@mikeohawk95 well to be honest it represent any leader that decides to abuse and destroy a system of government in order to take power. As dictatorship doesn't care of political ideology. That being said, yes trump currently is very likely if he were to win the election would try to destroy the system to ensure he stayed in power.
Hell if he lost again it's likely he would ca upon his supporters to try to ruin the system to put him back in like what he tried to do back in 2021 Jan 6th
I’ve just came back from Ukraine in Mykolaiv as I was photographing animals there and I can honestly say that watching this movie, it really resonated with me
Telling it from the perspective of the photographers and basically watching what I was doing in Ukraine (exaggerated in the movie) I was simply very emotional watching it
I thought it was an amazing movie and I’m very very happy it didn’t mention the war and why it started
I don’t need to find out why hitler started WW2 every time I watch a WW2 movie
The fact so many people are getting upset at why the reasons wasn’t mentioned, this is not really a real conversation that happens in war zones over and over again or views that people are all bad or all good, there is no heroes, there is simply people trying to survive, living day to day, be it fighting in the army or just going to work and drinking coffee
War isn’t a movie, war isn’t about twitter arguing, so for people to have complaints about the movie for not mentioning politics etc, is just boring!
I’ve been to a war zone, and I can honestly say Civil war is an extremely HONEST depiction of war!
The FBI was never intended to be a "check" on presidential power. It's mission is to investigate crimes over interstate lines and federal criminal statutes. Congress and the Supreme Court are checks on presidential power. The President is the Executive Branch whose duties are to enforce the laws of the United States and Constitution. The FBI is part of the executive branch under the direction of the President. It would make no sense for a tyrannical leader to disband basically the federal law enforcement authority if he were going to tyrannical despot killing citizens, that would be the job of tyrannical leader's police. If there is tyrannical leader, who was able to circumvent the 22nd amendment, then it would have been the failure of the Congress who allowed it to happen. Where does Congress get it's power? Through the electorate in each state and state elections are democratic and the only occurrence of majority rule voting. So if a majority of people voted for their representation that failed to put checks on the Executive branches' power, you get a what you voted for people. Governments based on majority rules will often lead to oppression of the minority, that's the rational of why our founding fathers divised the electoral college and three braches of government and bicameral representation. Ask yourself why the Western Alliance would resort to summary execution instead of bringing the president in this movie to stand trial and answer for his crimes before the citizenry if thier rational were bringing back constitutional integrity and rule of law? Maybe this civil war was agitated by outside influences? Realistically, why not push a country to destroy itself from within, then risk an invasion from outside? Then again, it's only a movie.
Excellent points. This why only citizens of one's country should only vote in person via an official voters list tied to income tax reporting verified by ID in person. Most countries in the western world hold elections this way & it is typically the U.S. who condemns other countries elections that don't support this method (ironic).
@@Kronaphasiathis is precisely why the southern border is deliberately left wide open.
They just want the people to think that the FBI are the good guys in this political timeline. But then again it’s only a movie. If someone took this movie as anything other than fiction then their worldview is small and very naive.
Thank you
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Todd Aluqist definitely served in the military which is why after his service had no hesitation to shoot drew sharp in order to protect heisenberg business
That’s an interesting thought, if that were the case I bet uncle Jack was also a military man in his past. Never thought about it but it totally fits.
Is it happening??? Are smart, mature, relevant movies for intelligent, thinking audiences coming back??? Fingers crossed we're at a threshold.
I highly recommend checking out some more of A24s films!! Overall just an amazing studio with a talent of making movies of any subject matter, no matter how dark, artful and captivating.
You brilliantly articulate my thoughts on the movie, thanks man. For Garland to have explicitly furnished us with more details would've just gotten us into the weeds, and inevitably into thornier debates or the risk of putting his thumb on one side of the scale. Of course he'll get flak for being a cowardly centrist or something, or not understanding American politics or whatever; and more deranged people will see what they wanna see in it anyway. But (as an Australian, at least) I felt this was responsible, non-exploitative, impactful filmmaking. Bluntly graphic but also restrained, thoughtful but not cynical to the point of callousness. As cautionary a cautionary tale as can be told, really. Just asking "can we PLEASE not do this?" And as you point out - as quotes from Garland support - it's a sort of call to individual responsibility in these times, a call to de-arm, to de-escalate, because the solution probably won't come from top-down, it needs to come from the ground up.
Great point about the journalists. Though being flawed human beings, they always do their job of dispassionately showcasing the truth of the situation. I initially wasn't sure how to take the film in this regard, sometimes. It doesn't seem entirely uncritical of its protagonists or the media, either. There's something a bit unseemly about never ever getting involved, and there's a shot of Cailee Spaeny towards the end where she seems a bit too cold for what is happening in front of her. Like pointedly so. Whether that's speaking to what that line of work does to you, or something else, I wasn't/am not sure. It's hard not to read some of that as metaphor for his own work, too; when Lee says something about how she used to think she took photos of external conflicts and sent them home as a warning, yet 'here we are', it's easy to imagine Garland wondering whether his own movie, a warning from elsewhere, is also useless. Maybe even interogating, himself, whether he's making the right choice being impartial and not weighing in? But I agree he does weigh in where it matters, in a broader philosophical sense.
I loved the movie, a few nitpicks about formal things like staging etc aside. I'm Australian not American and I can't imagine how hard it must hit for you guys. Some bouts of sharp shocking violence really hit me in an emotive way they rarely do in movies. I hope many people go see it.
Wanna shout out to how you spoke and delivered this essay too; most 'video essays' I can't stand cos people either go the hyper fast-talking route with lots of cuts and non-jokes, or the pretentious caricature-of-NPR style that is just as bad. This was nicely and clearly read nand emphasised, but NORMAL hah
well said.
Love your thoughts on this, so very well said. Saving your comment somewhere cause it expresses my same feelings so well!
It’s not about centrism.
It’s about logistics and strategy, this movie makes no sense, who cares about politics; militarily this move is dumb.
@@Dr.MantisTobogganMDit’s supposed to show the horrors of civil war and holding values, not about the protracted, very bloody campaign
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Yeah well it wasn’t even that either.
The film literally had no other message than; “Journalists tell the truth” which in reality *they don’t.*
Regardless if the movie did or did not focus in the current political polarization the bottom line is that a US civil war would be disastrous.
A war here would make both the Chechen wars look like child’s play
A US civil war would be disastrous, but what are people supposed to do when the government censors and violates their civil rights defined in the constitution.
The movie was very dead accurate on the idea that a civil war along with the subsequent collapse of any kind of authority would unleash the worst demons Americans have.
@@ehstronghold facts lots of unfortunate war crimes would happen and question is when the smokes clear what the shape of the country will be like after ? It’ll be a lot of missing people photos lots of family members or most the men going to join and fight literally a change to what ? A change for real freedom, it’s not about money or politics down the line it’ll literally be about reshaping the entire country to what ? How will this make bills cheaper or more money in your pocket it won’t it’ll lead to total economic fall and we will have to pay for what some or deep down inside what most Americans ultimately want
The journalist today are nothing near the likes of Pyle or Cronkite. Pyle was in the heart of the fighting in the Pacific war against Japan and was killed doing his job. Cronkite was in the European theatre starting out flying with the bomber crews filming other bombers being shot down around him during the bombing raids over Europe. He went on after D-day to being with the troops on the ground. He also was in Korea during that war and also did live broadcasts from Vietnam.
Cronkite also admitted, on film, of a meeting where he and eight other television anchors colluded to "make America ns hate the war in Viet Nam." That means 'The Press" has been aware of its ability to manipulate popular opinion for over fifty years. In the early 20th century, we called it "Yellow Journalism." Today we call it "managing disinformation."
Just saw it. A brutal, viceral film. It won't break box office records or win an Oscar, what it will go down as an important, seminal cinematic work. It will win critical acclaim and maybe a cult following.
That said, the Battle for DC should have been more total, more of an epic historical event akin to the fall of Berlin. Where was the siege? The struggle for the sky? The aerial bombing of the capitol? The cruise missiles? The drones? The use of chemical weapons? Why was the power still on? The movie should have ended in a bunker or on the tarmac of Andrews AFB.
I mean they said very well “[the regular military has surrendered and withdrawn]. All that is left are secret service and do-or-die soldiers.”
There is no real military left to defend DC, or rather, the president himself. “This isn’t Berlin” is a whole line in the movie
Even in WWII, the nazis said that the Soviets and Allies were there to erase Germany, so every man woman and child must fight “us vs the world”- in Civil War, everyone is aiming for the president, even the “loyalists” know that, and most people don’t care one way or the other, it will all blow over soon, or they die.
I understand why you say this, but just remember it’s told ONLY from the perspective of the photographers and so I understand why it was what it was, it was a very singular story and for that, is why I thought it was great
If you research you'll see it's smashing it at the box office and against a 50 million dollar budget, it's going to be a big success.
I just got back, see it in Imax, The cinematography is great. It is epic.
The film opens with the president rehearsing a speech where he’s lying about the state of the war. He’s struggling to project bravado in his rehearsal because he knows the Western Forces are actually gaining on him.
I think having it close with him in the White House instead of a bunker helps close the loop. Despite the obvious, the president remains there because he’s delusional. Like most dictators, he thinks his power is absolute. Why go to a bunker? He’s “untouchable.”
It’s great to see at least one person online who still has proper media literacy. Great job on the video.
For those who claim that "words are violence", I wonder if the conflation of the two means that the person who claims it is more likely to go from word to violence when words don't convince someone. I thought it was a very good show
i think this is Garland's best work, it was so gripping from start to finish, powerful in it's emotional beats and character arcs, the overall message is haunting and stays with you after watching
Really looking forward to watching this in IMAX…
Thank you my friend.
Definitely see it in IMAX if you can! Great experience
Ive seen the movie today. I only liked 2 scenes, i thought the last scene at the white house was badass. But it seemed rushed and low action throughout the movie which sucks. The movie focuses too much on the characters than what is going on in the government and it isnt explained why they are fighting in the first place. At least 2 of the characters suck, the 23 year old girl and the old man. In the end, the movie is NOT worth it.
@@mbcchaseI just knew I’d find this comment. This movie was fantastic, and I see point for point how it went over your head 😂
@@jacksonscott690it just felt like a roadtrip movie I got zombie land vibes from it only with less action and a worse ending
I was not ready for how intense it was in IMAX
I would like to know what journalists that have been in war assignments feel about this movie and how the characters portrayed them. I thought the movie was a mess myself.
That opening is exactly why it shouldn’t be called civil war, it’s an uprising against a military coup.
Yeah It's very disappointing in the fact it conveys several valid points. But is lost by Garlands and whomever else wrote it's lack of understanding in the military the united states governement and a general understanding of American Values as whole.
true. but at the end of the day, what do you think gets more eyes on a topic? "Civil War" or "The Coup"?
@@shadedwulf It's a movie, its not about the sides involved, its about how war journalism works, decrying realism about things that don't matte.
@@shadedwulfLmao it’s a movie about war journalists, not a fucking play by play of how an actual civil war would happen. Grow up
Coups leading into civil wars are not odd. A coup wants to be fast an establish a new government.
The movie was very good. That it didn't take a hard left or right approach was such a plus.
Well, OneTake, you killed my reason for posting a review. Spot on, my friend!
Post a short linking this one 🤷
The FBI is not a check on Presidential Powers. The FBI is actually subservient to the President under the Executive Branch. The checks on Presidential Powers are the Constitution, The Legislative Branch, and The Judicial Branch.
Yeah that’s why none of the presidents made a move on that chickenhawk Hoover- cause he was subservient to them
Lol
all empires collapse
True, but I don't want to be involved, only read it in history books
I was hoping I would live through life without it,l
Yeah, most of us wanted to live at home and for other people to stay off our lawn. We didn't want an empire, just a home. All those empire people can go live in Brussels if they like. Take their bank with them. Leave us alone.
But Moe’s Tavern will live for eons
@@dh7164 the problem is that bank is what keeps us prosperous (dollar dominated global financial system)
The reviewer-narrator has nailed it from every angle in his review. I watched the movie yesterday and would attest to his reading and analysis of the film. Alex Garland has given us a masterpiece that leaves everyone thinking and reflecting
I’m wondering what the intention was of making this movie
The film is to scared to actually have a message, it’s a good looking mask with absolutely no substance, it has no real message about civil conflict other than guys let’s get along and tyrants are bad. And the ending is extremely disappointing because it shows how clearly they didn’t have any direction with the two main characters, they just skip over character progression and jump straight from one end to another, it was a movie that was a decent watch but I would never watch again because once you know how empty it ends it kills any interest you could ever have on a rewatch, in the end the movie was just banking on the controversy of making it during a lot of political divide in the country
I’m glad I already saw the movie last night before seeing this.
You might wanna retitle this with ‘spoiler alert.’
You nailed it on the fact that the movie is not about sides but the polarization itself. But you missed, or at least failed to mention the fall of Jesse's character where by the end of the movie she basically becomes the villain.
The black op 2 music in the background is so iconic
I just saw this film it is good and requires multiple viewings.
No.
I’ll see it again, but was wondering what was the jist of the opening monologue by the President? (I had to get the manager to turn the lights off and missed it)
@@DannyVdesignI believe he was rehearsing a speech to inform the public that the “western forces are about to suffer a grave defeat… etc”
@@DannyVdesign If I had to guess he was psyching up his side of America against the WF (Western Front) and or Florida alliance. I might catch it again, I love A24 stuff.
I thought it was excellent, like everything Garland makes.
Lee was a hero, her arch was to save Jesse and in turn Jesse picked up the camera and got the photos of the President being killed.
I think that is very powerful that in most scenes with conflict, you can't tell which side the men in uniforms are on, like the scene with mass grave.
I thought that was one of the most interesting elements. It was well down, chilled me to my core, but well done .
Thanks for this take. The story was a bit more ambiguous to me as I don't know enough about politics and bipartisanship in the USA. So I didn't pick up the nuance you've mentioned when I watched the film. So cheers for that.
Also, I'm just sitting here waiting for the black&white negatives to develop that I shot recently in my Nikon FE2 😅
And it makes me think about the "western forces"
Interesting enough perspective and analysis. Thanks.
This is a very smart review and absolutely spot on! This is the review I was working on articulating
To me, it's about things that are obsolete: the big state, mainstream media and big cities.
I think this has a lot of potential especially if it's made into a miniseries for streaming
That’s what my bf said too. We need a series that leads up to the movie
Great video! I love watching breakdowns after movies to get a better understanding. Will be checking out your other videos. Cheers!
Thank you for the kind words! 🙏
Could not have done a better job explaining the movie. And yeah, rouge militias are just sadistic murders under cover of war.
1:49 "cudgel" is the word you were thinking of, and it's a good one. Nice review, again.
This misses the point - it’s a character study showing how this kind of war is soul-destroying to everyone involved, even those reporting on it. The reasons for the fighting are irrelevant.
YES!
I believe Civil War is not a soul destroying event, destroying everyone involved. On the contrary, our souls are being destroyed already and for those who will truly fight on the side of restoring this nation to what it once was and was always meant to be, to Us, it will be a soul restoring event.
That is exactly how it is.
A very brilliant breakdown, I also agree with your 28 days later breakdown. That said I think a lot of people are missing a huge point about this film that was conveyed at least 4 seperate intentional times.
This movie is about Secessionist forces, feeding propaganda and not even trying to listen to the government of the US. The USG in the movie on multiple occasions was broadcasting if not begging for a ceasefire and peace talks. This movie is about the complete and utter breakdown of any communications and how Violence becomes power.
The WF weren't rebelling against a tyranny at least at the point we join the movie. They may have started their secession because of those reason's but the entire plot of WF vs USG puts failure of people with too much power to communicate costing the lives and the fundamentally destroying the ways of life of every American even those not fighting or intentionally sitting it out, Front and center.
I challenge you to rewatch it and take account how many times "Pretending like its not happening", is mentioned or that theme is brought up as well as the extremely intentional sniper scene of Who is even giving orders anymore.
This movie is about people with power or the ability to take power doing it without regard for anyone else's lives.
The WF were roaches, the barbarians at the proverbial gate, this is highlighted by their indiscriminate killing of everything.
The WF weren't killing everything in their way though. The war between the WF and the Feds created a chaos that was being exploited by multiple militias and groups with their own agendas. The "what kind of American are you" guy was not the same as the Boogaloo guys and they were not the same as the snipers.
hmm, 3 term potus not a good look for the gov
This is ,at the very least , by far the most interesting interpretation of this movie that I’ve seen.
I did catch one radio /tv snippet with the usg reaching out several times for peace talks - and I didn’t think much of it.
I remember starting out thinking the WF were probably the “good guys “ until seeing them execute unarmed soldiers .. the way they just drag the president out and shoot him was brutal. We didn’t even do that to Sadam H., did we ?
Something else I thought of.. supposedly the president ordered air attacks on civilians. But that happens in real life to other countries , and that’s ok ?
I mean even if it wasn’t supposed to hurt civilians, they often do. But I hadn’t considered that maybe that was false info or accidental.
@@sebastianbillings7807yeah I’d be very surprised if both sides weren’t doing executions of enemy prisoners. That tends to happen in modern civil wars
Thank you. That was my first takeaway, the actions of the president in the opening. Not presenting a good guy/bad guy just presenting the facts of the situation. You walk out stirred or shaken yet thinking and conversing about the state of the Nation. Brilliant!
Interesting analysis. I'd say none of those messages resonated with me, however. I usually pick up on the themes the movie makers are trying to convey, but with this one I was left with very little. Maybe it was my state of mind on that day, or maybe the execution could have been better... I don't know.
What I got was mostly that we should protect democracy because it's fall would lead to horrific chaos and violence, wich is a very simple message. I think maybe I tend to expect the themes to be developed through the actions and experiences of the characters, and I couldn't really latch on to any of the characters. I'm not saying it's the filmakers fault, but what I got were kind of shallow archs from the main characters. Lee abandoned her objectivity to save another person, Jessie overcame her fear to turn into a full carrer-adrenaline chaser and Joe... Well, I didn't catch any arch from Joe.
My review to my girlfriend after we left the movie was just something on the lines of: "Well, it's a very well made movie, but I didn't get much from it. I'll have to look up some analysis on the internet because I really can't tell what the big fuss was about".
lotta folks confused to why the civil war started in this film.
thought it was crystal clear - 3 term prez.
Regardless of the title, the film isn't about that.
Thats just the window dressing for a fantastic film.
If you're looking for john wick style cartoon violence and storytelling, look elsewhere.
Basically a trump type tyrant
Most people went into this movie wanting something that validated their political beliefs.
They wanted political propaganda over what we got.
Thanks for your input.
It’s obvious a lot of the negative criticism comes from those who have not served in the military or likely do not have any experience in war planning or fighting because their reviews are all based on superhero movies that they grew up watching instead of being actually deployed to a poor, ravaged foreign country and being looked at with great vitriol, threatened and/or shot at just because they’re an American. My perspective comes from someone who’s been used around the world to satisfy the goals of our empire and who believes that as a result of our global expeditions and campaigns, we’ll eventually experience those pains in our homeland
someday and I’m not happy about that, but I am a realist who knows enough to prepare for difficult times ahead.
Many people may not think the events depicted in the film could ever happen but think of this, the U.S. is structured like a large version of Europe with states that mimic individual countries held together by the state’s promise to uphold the Constitution in which the mentalities of 21st century political leaders and citizens have clearly concluded, is just an old piece of paper. This format once proved that a massive civil war could and did occur and often history repeats itself, whether people want to believe it or not.
Sure it’s just a movie, but it’s a serious one and there is a major message in it for us which is, war is truly hell and it’s not something that we should glorify nor something that we should ever hope occurs in our communities.
Critics should stop trying to analyze this film like they’re watching some make believe superhero movie, an Oscar contender’s review or some political circus commentary akin to the events of the 2020 election.
I suggest we watch it like we’re analyzing potential future “real world” events because the premise of this movie might be much closer than some of the many naive Americans think.
From a military (not militia or political) perspective, often wartime strategic alliances form strategic partnerships which are not necessarily based ideological similarities. States like Texas and California both are very large populations (30-40 million residents), massive police and national guard forces and GNP’s that are comparable or larger than some of the current top ten percent of wealthiest countries on the globe. Texas was once its own republic and has governed that way since. An alliance of these to states and perhaps a third one of similar status and structure would be a major problem for DC politicians.
Given today’s times, we need to hope for the best but only those who can’t see or hear won’t prepare for the worst. Most Empires haven’t lasted more the 500 years throughout history so, I think it’s very important for people to accept their possible future or that of their children, grandchildren or great grandchildren because we are definitely heading for a major change down the path of U.S. history. This fate is even foretold in the book of Revelation and in greater, specific detail in the “extra-biblical” text of 2nd Edras.
Time and experience has proven the old Mark Twain quote that, “truth is stranger than fiction”
I thought it was brilliant. It reminds me of a realistic Christopher Nolan movie with hints of an Apocalypse Now style vibe. The music took me to the post Vietnam era.
Many wanted to know the cause of the war but the context of the war is not important. Most 21st century Americans (except the naive) know how this could happen.
Overall, this movie was an essay warning us (Americans) to not let our politicians lead us in this direction because…, in a war everyone loses.
A future cult classic movie for sure!
But can we stand against tyranny when a large portion of the country thinks standing for our constitution is tyranical
I just saw it in San Diego. I thought it was GREAT.
"impartial" LOL
I’m about to go in to see the movie right now. I’ll circle back to this video when I get out!
Enjoy! 🙏
It kept getting better and better. This movie was effectively disturbing. The scene with Jesse Plemmons… man. My theatre was completely silent.
Jesse plemmons is perfect in this movie, they pulled his character straight out of Breaking Bad and it made this movie fantastic!
@@jacksonscott690 Lucky that you had a completely silent viewing... I had a guy moan about kirsten dunst and spider man... lol
@@jacksonscott690 mine too, ok one guy waas tweaking so I guess I can't blame him for that. Otherwise it was chilling .
What was Joel’s final line in the movie? My friend heard “that’ll do” or “they all do”?
I'm pretty sure he said "That'll do."
I feel the director was trying to convey the tragedy of war by exploring its drug-like effect through journalists, multiple uses of dialogue from the protagonist throughout the film support this, emphasizing how alive it makes them feel. The adrenaline fuelled motivations are emphasized through the soldiers, as they are so caught in the moment, driven with blood lust, and ultimately the cause for war crimes, additionally touching on outlets in Human Nature. However I felt like the final action scenes were shot and executed badly. They only struck out as cheesy and cliche rather than surreal. A good example of a similar act that was executed brilliantly, was the final act in "Children of Men".
This movie would look like Disney cartoon comparing to real thing. Second Civil War would be most apocalyptic event in human history, besides the cost of human lives here in USA it would have global domino effect….
Its okay id say wait til its on dvd
they still make dvd's?
16:00 This movie made me think of Napalm Girl too. I was maybe 8 and some teacher or student or someone snuck in a Time Magazine with that. It was just there one day in 1972 or 3. A kid my age, a GenX kid as a matter of fact totally unprotected and caught in war, experiencing something neither I nor my friends could comprehend but also we never forgot.
Being a kid in the 70's was traumatic at times.
Right...the problem of course is that in reality at least a plurality of the US right, and probably actually a small minority, do not agree with that basic tenant of our civilization anymore. That's literally the entire problem. Power is derived from the consent of the governed. When enough decide they want a king, a king is what they'll get.
So it a fantasy, with unbiased neutral journalists! I don’t think there’s any journalists that still believe in unbiased reporting.
Question is if they are unbiased.
Nobody is unbiased. The point is to be aware of your own biases.
Unbiased journalism is a fantasy and always has been a fantasy.
@@billystage Yes, but that doesn't mean journalism is useless(everybody is biased). Just make sure your media literacy is high.
This movie is a portrnt.....and (you are right) a cautionary tale.
If you’ve been paying attention to the current “state of the union” you will see the political bias from beginning to end. It portrayed the horrors of the potential future well though. Good food for thought. 🇺🇸🦅🎆
There was no political bias. Lots of people crying the prez was a trump figure. When really he looks VERY similar to gavin newsom even had the same haircut
Basically what's happening in Haiti rn... Media is painting the gangs as bad but when you look into the comments in those videos, Haitian people are giving the correct translations for many of the interviewed civilians. Most people in Haiti are in support for the gangs and are pissed about the acting president delaying elections repeatedly... Their cause in the revolution is good but without having new elected leaders pre selected and put into place it just remains chaos.
Ok this review gave me perspective. It’s not about left or right of the political aisle, but it’s the people versus tyranny and authoritarianism regardless of political affiliations. I still think they could’ve done a bit more with that unless that’s just what it is. It kinda did feel like what it would be like for regular people in these actual situations. The actors’ stardom didn’t take centre stage they felt kinda human throughout it.
What American are you? Central or south?
Worse.. Canadian
@@benjamindover4337 300 dollars
ALL AMERICAN! OoooRah.
No spoiler warnings there before the “final sequence” talk?
I can only imagine how most Americans must feel after watching this film. As a French guy, I found it deeply gut wrenching and it’s not even about MY country.
It was an outstanding piece of cinema.
The sadness I feel knowing that although the first American Civil War was fought for mankind and the rights of all men, the next one will be fought over the pettiness of political ideology and a weak, transparent belief in honor.
I agree! The country has become extremely selfish and shameless!
I mean, so was the first one. In very abbreviated form, the North gave the South a way out and a path towards slowly phasing out and then incorporating former slaves into society. Those with power in the South decided their culture(and not coincidentally their power) was more important to them than peace. The idea that black people should be treated as their equals offended their sensibilities. It's actually quite similar to today's situation. The really dangerous divide in US politics has always been between those that want to impose their will on others, especially on others that look or act funny, and the rest of us who just want to make the most of our lives while we have them.
And it always will be.
It's also why checks on power are so critical to stop the nation from Balkanizing, and all our lives getting worse as a result.
My dad was approached by a journalist who asked him for a comment. He declined. She asked why. He said, "Because I know who you are and I don't trust you." She said that if he didn't give her a comment she'd make up one for him. Journalists have become as trustworthy as used car salesman. The actions of a group's past sticks with them and can hurt innocent members in the future. The opposite can also be true.
'She' was no journalist. These days, many propagandists masquerade as journalists. There's even a couple of 'news networks' that claim their product is journalism.
At least with used car salesman you sometimes get something of value in return. Not likely with journalists.
Source: “my dad said…”
There's inaccuracies throughout this review...
Yeah, that never happened 🤣
To say this movie doesn't take sides is like saying The Purge Election Year didn't take sides. The fact California and Texas (which is theorized to go back to voting Democrat in the coming years) also says something. Nick Offerman's look and performance evokes a certain... personality, just different enough to avoid being sued. When he's murdered and everyone cheers, there's only one person I can imagine that was meant to be.
Purge election year was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen
Not exactly. Texas is supppose to represent the right and Cali is suppose to represent the left. I don’t think anyone or hopefully wouldn’t be cheering if that would happen if the president would be oof like that.
@@LegoWarFims I understand that the movie made Cali and Texas partners to make it seem like it's nonpartisan, which everyone made fun of for how ridiculous it was. The choice of president is the real giveaway, seeing as that only one recent political figure that Hollywood hates who's also been accused of not wanting to give up power, who is then dragged out and killed in the movie.
Imagine the tables turned and these were right leaning filmmakers making a civil war film where Texas and Cali were on the same side, but the tyrannical president was a black guy who killed Americans with drone strikes. I think if the movie had made the tyrannical president female that would have gone further to convince me this wasn't just one big revenge fantasy, but I can't see them dragging a powerful woman out and killing her and cheering about it.
Best review ive seen. I dont want a sequesl but maybe a ten minute artificial.news broadcast from the perspective of the different factions just to conclude
Dear OneTake,
This was a brilliant analysis. Ty so much. Completely agree.
If this really happens it won’t be like this movie there will NO peace or truce until Americans will be extinct. Some of our external enemies are already here with the help of internal enemies. Imagine a civil war where it’s not just Americans fighting Americans other nations will be here too fighting over the resources that we presently refuse to use for ourselves to save our economy. criminals and terrorists and mercenaries pillage and plunder and do other unspeakable acts while we are fighting amongst ourselves. I admit I haven’t seen this movie, I’m not sure I want to. The director of this movie is telling us what we already know, that war is horrible. I don’t know how this movie ends, but if this happens in real life it will be uglier than any movie can be and there will be no truce or peace only extinction or damn near it. I can understand our external enemies wanting this to happen after all they are our enemies. The sad truth is there are people who were born here who want this to happen, they are willing to burn down and demolish everything here that enabled them to be successful and are doing everything they can to set this up. Crazy isn’t it. I hope I am. I hope I’m wrong. I don’t want to see this happen but if we don’t wake up to the fact that this can happen…
🎯 🎯 🎯
Very well produced video. It saddens me when people immediately couch this as a shallow film with a motive for either the current right or left wing political landscape--it is an anti-war movie at it's core, and the directing was masterfully done. In my world, good photography and film have to make me feel something. If that means revulsion then so be it. This movie made me sick a few times, and that was absolutely the point.
My issue with this movie is that it raises the reporters to a level they haven't been at in a long time. The media bias is at a new height and that makes it hard for me to believe that these reporters wouldn't be bias in one way or the other. Even if they weren't biased and were impartial, I don't see the large media chains platforming them in that climate. It's a nice thought exercise but maybe another party should have been used that is, today, impartial.
...And that's why you should always listen to the whole video before commenting. Well done OneTake.
I have very divided feelings on this picture, it is a puff piece for the battlefield press, and there are elements of the press during wartime that are absolutely to be lauded. But let's make one thing absolutely clear, those who choose to serve as battlefield-attached press and NOT those in uniform ARE NOT the same as the mainstream talking heads.
I think that part has me infuriated in a way that I haven't felt in a long while I have buried close to 17 friends throughout the war on terror, and they've served and every hellhole and have been utilized by either side as a damned talking point when they were so much more than that.
I don't think Texas and California would ever unify over an issue such as a despotic president, nor do I think that much of the country would remain loyal to a tyrannical government, in all actuality, we would probably divide into small fiefdoms and denigrate into something far worse, and that is a sectarianism that we see all the time on social media and the state-controlled media for both the left and the right and frankly, it makes me angry.
I have heard of the Pablo Escobar pseudo-death scene at the end where the good guys quote unquote bag, the despot in a westernized version of Hitler's Berlin ala 45' I agree that conversations surrounding the topic of avoiding Civil War are positive, but if we can't learn from the actual Civil War that we did have in this country and we leave it up to a movie.
I fear for the future because I don't trust anybody who wears a suit and claims to have my best interest, because I've seen it be a lie again and again and again.
My heart goes out to any veterans who feel anything very intensely because of this film.
I don't want to see them on either side of a conflict and that would break my heart.
Honestly I liked it. The urban combat scenes were decently good. The horrors of war coming to a 1st world country is disturbing to imagine.
I just wish it was a bit longer and the ending wasn’t so…abrupt. A post credit scene on what happens to the states now or where the journalists will go from here would have been nice.
I think ending abruptly is a good thing cause it means the film can expand with other films.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent making sequels to Civil War Is probably going to ruin the message of the first film. The film is supposed to be vague.
@@SubToJoeygaming The first film is vague. The others could flesh it out. Of course this depends on the producers of each film. More than likely Civil War will be the only one.
I saw this movie last night it's an absolute masterpiece!
I haven't seen this film but I want to say you've gone into a lot of depth and you've helped me make up my mind about going to see this film.
I decided not to go because I have a natural black and white mentality and I can't stand it when a war movie is between terrible people and other equally terrible people. And I know it's really about the journalists but that's not enough for me.
And this might sound like an evil opinion but I don't entirely agree with the "war is bad" message. That we shouldn't let it happen and should be repulsed by it.
Look at the current war in Ukraine. Of course the part where Russia has invaded and is trying to take over the country without any provocation, in that sense the war is bad and we all wish it hadn't happened.
But the part where Ukraine fought against them, in that respect I don't see what they're doing as a bad thing.
Possibly I have this romantic ideal that Civil War thinks needs to be deconstructed but I have always thought there is something noble to be found in at least some wars. Not wars like the Iraqi war or Vietnam but yes in WW2 and the American Revolution. So unpopular as my opinion may be, I don't think the idea that "fighting a war is bad" is a universal truth.
Civil War wants us to be repulsed by war but if Ukraine hadn't fought a war against the Russians or the British against the Germans, THAT I would find repulsive.
In short, even though it's not historically accurate, I would prefer Darkest Hour to films like Civil War.
It's true, we need journalists. But in order to be a journalist, in my eyes, you must have journalistic integrity.
Garland definitely took a side, but I absolutely love that almost no one realizes it.
One of Project 2025's primary objectives is to dissolve the FBI
Sort of. Its main goal is to clear its personnel. Which should be under the control of the executive in the executive branch. If Congress doesn’t like it, they could simply work with the executive branch, to get rid of, or seriously review and reform the FBI themselves.
Only leftist film critics think this is a movie that "doesn't take sides". Why they feel like they need to pretend it's unbiased I have no idea as it's not filling anymore with the bag you over the head "orange man gun destroy americuh" messaging.
Pretty clever way of fitting that in if it’s the case. Seeing it this weekend. I loved 28 Days / Weeks later and Annihilation so I’m excited.
So how's that his fault? If conservatives want to take the side of authoritarianism, then we can't both-sides our way out of this. conservatives are the enemy of america.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 "Its main goal is to clear its personnel." Yeahhh not even close. Its main goal is to stack every single branch of government with trumpist lackeys and to erode the system of checks and balances. Why would a president need to respect the separation of powers when he controls all the branches?
I 100% agree... you took the words right out of my mouth
The most shocking scene was when Lee witnesses and photographs someone being necklaced.
The fbi doesn't keep anything in check. Learn how things actually work l9l.
I bet that in the movie the thought of pronouns, transgenders in sports, dei, CRT, etc.... wasn't on a single person's mind. Which just goes to show just how insignificant of those issues really are
you came here to comment on that? get some help dude
@@klnrklnr4433cry harder
In real life, I think whoever had the Mentat on their side! lol. (Didn't know Stephen McKinley Henderson was in this. He played Thufir Hawat in the new Dune. No need to call me a nerd, I am already well aware. lol.)
Also there are no "objective" "journalists".
My Second favorite movie of 2024 after “Late night with the devil”
I’m surprised a lot of people hate it or think it’s “mid”
I lean right myself (still consider myself independent) but don’t care if a film leans left as long as it’s not far left garbage or far right
- Greg (the OG)
I think alot of people arent liking it because deep down they see resemblances of the movie characters and people they know and are.
LOL...I do not believe this movie accomplished what you say it was supposed to.....
What do you think it accomplished??
I felt a great sorrow towards the end when the Western front was closing in on the President. I saw brother fighting brother and the implosion of the dream that was America. It was like seeing all the destabilization we've caused throughout the World coming home to roost. She's far from perfect but i walked out being thanks to be American.
Yes….. The bombing of the Lincoln Memorial really got to me.
@@drorshamiramargea3901 definitely man
Loved the movie. I can’t wait for it to be on streaming service. I definitely want to rewatch it again.
When can a a movie be released these days and have it not be during a polarized time in our country. This was a good video that I just watched, but even some of my favorite RUclipsr it was as if they didn’t even watch this movie. doesn’t matter to me if they like it or not, but they explained it in a way as if they were trying to deter me from watching the movie. I don’t know how else to explain it.
I enjoyed the movie. To me it is a possibility that should be avoided at any cost. It's a warning for our nation.
Wait for it on TV. It sound have been better and could have been better.
what you talkin' 'bout willis? the sound was fantastic
This is a perfect synopsis and I loved watching this beautiful apologia of this film and its thesis.
Ditto. The last part if the movie was really good. It will be really cool if HBO or Netflix develops a miniseries where it explains what was tge cause if the conflict.
This is outstanding video.
Thank you 🙏