Phanes ISN'T The Primordial One - Celestia's Origins [Part 2] || Genshin Theory [4.4]
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2024
- Did you know that Genshin Impact translates into "Original God Impact"? But who is this original god? Surely, it must be the Primordial One, the one god that created the entirety of Teyvat, right? That's the Almighty Phanes for you!
...or, is it? What if what has been sitting the Celestial throne this entire time has not been Phanes? What if it isn't a god at all...?
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IMPORTANT NOTE:
Regarding the crowns in the domains, the situation isn’t quite as simple as I made it out to be in the video. During the editing process I went around visiting several domains in several regions and it appears there are several weird things going on. For one, Fontaine seems to be the only nation that has a duplicated set of crowns, while (at least one) domain in Sumeru doesn’t have any crowns at all. In some domains, the disposition of the crowns is also not the default one (2 on each side, 1 at the centre). Moreover, I believe the change was made during 4.2 as I had been farming a Fontaine domain for a while and only noticed it after the update, the difference felt so jarring that I find it hard to believe I simply missed it before that. I’ve tried to find out if anyone else has pointed it out online to narrow down the timeline of the changes (or even if that domain had been like that from the get go - 4.0), but I haven’t really seen anyone talking about it. If you do know anything about this change, please let me know.
I haven’t had the time to check every single domain in every region just yet. But I’m in the process of doing so and collecting photos of all of them so I can know for sure what is going on in each region, as I believe these crowns may hold some important hints about Celestia. I’ll keep you guys updated of any findings!
Anyway, this is part 2 which means this theory is finally over! I’ve never been so glad to finish a theory because my computer caught fire (not literally…yet) and bumped up the difficulty of making this part to level extreme. I’m figuring out the best course of action going forward since upgrading my tech isn’t an option right now. I can still edit, though, it just takes a whole lot more time. So the next video is going to be much shorter (aka, a reasonable length). Sorry about the delay and I hope you enjoy!
That (the tech thing) is part of the reason I don't make my own videos, lol.
The double crown set already there before 4.2. I remember in 4.0 I talk about this with someone, about there should be one more Fontaine domain with double crown set because at that moment we have 2 domain with 0 crown set (City of Gold & Molten Iron Fortress) while only 1 domain with double crown set (Denouement of Sin), so we're still missing 1 set.
Back then we haven't got the Waterfall Wen yet which is released later in 4.2 & it tuned out Waterfall Wen also has double crown set.
Doing a quick search, I found a short speedrun video of someone doing "Denoument of Sin" (Marechaussee Hunter & Golden Troupe) domain back in 4.0, posted in 22 August 2023, further validating the claim of it being from 4.0 (RUclips video ID: 3qymZq9i5J0). I can verify that the double crowns already existed in that one domain by then.
Oh no, I think my comment got removed because I tried to add a link 😭. Guess I won't be doing that again lol.
My original comment to the best of my memory:
Omg I'm so glad the crowns are getting attention!! I noticed this, I want to say a year or so ago, made a couple of comments on reddit about it, but they never got much traction. The double crowns in Fontaine have been there since the addition of that domain since I noticed it pretty much immediately lol. I made a crude word doc/pdf (tried to also share imgur link but that made comment disappear lol) of the domains, but haven't updated it since 4.3 if anyone is interested.
From what I've noticed, the crowns orientation only shifts when the moon is present and seemingly toward the moon itself (are they subservient to the moon goddesses? 🤔hmmm)
@@diazpramudita5165yep you’re right. The extra set of crown has been there since the domain release(at least for the marechausse hunter & golden troupe one) so it should be from the beginning of fontaine patch.
But dawits famous words.. “The PRIMORDIAL ONE; A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS.” He’s never wrong🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅
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Reject humanity… return to the PRIMORDIAL ONE 👁️📢📢📢📢👁️
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Yo... Imagine paimon being that primordial one who's guiding us to our own end just to obtain our power. That would be wicked :0000
Eyo.... What if pimon is a fragment/slave/something else working for the primordial one leading us to death to take our powers
"Everything might be a dream. All of Teyvat - A dream the Primordial one dreamed."
Idk something about this line reminds me of that confrontation scene of Nahida and Dottore where collecting the Gnoses might "awaken" the heavenly principles.
Is the heavenly principles sleeping? Sleeping and dreaming? And if we awaken it, it will send everything in to chaos because all of Teyvat is its dream and waking up destroys the dream.
And it also makes sense why there is a "sustainer" of heavenly principles. In order for the heavenly principles to keep itself alive while sleeping someone else must "sustain" it.
this goes to imply that the primordial one and the heavenly principles are the same entity
That's literally just Azathoth from the Cthulhu mythos. Our universe exists in Azathoth's dreams, and if he wakes, everything would cease to exist.
I think it's more complicated. I think Irminsul makes dreams become a physical tangent reality. The definition of what is real and not becomes murky. The reason why Khaenri'ah rather worshipped the tree and by extension Abyss the gods saw a real threat in that nation. But the truth is probably that life is linked directly to death in Genshin and not Heaven. That "forbidden knowledge" was a mortal threat to the divine order, since they seem to gain power from how many worship them. Since most people are no longer believing in the legends, means Celestia has lost a good portion of it's power and therefore dorment that is my understanding. This however means that each time an archon becomes popular Celestias power increases. Something I think the archons are aware of, that is why they are trying to hide. A threat however is Nahida she was asleep during this, and her fame is going to increase exponentially after saving Sumeru. If we operate from the theory that Celestia has been taken over by Descenders they use the memories of humans to harness elemental energy through visions. That power originally came from the Dragons and is the reason why they lost the war.
How beings from outside the dream can enter the dream?
Something interesting in the new Chenyu Vale world quest in which we mend the soil.and water by changing the oringinal form of nature. Also Lingyuan said something like human were once part of nature until something happened in the past without giving the complete context when we asked him our final question to him.
And with this quest made me think, what if, human existed before phane come to teyvat, and some of this human summoned them for whatever reason (just like the twins), they fought against the dragons (by the desire of the humans), they won but the humans that summoned them all died (Khannria being the only remains of that), and with that phanes recreated the humans.
Your theory is great @@geovanagama1
Just that Khannria is not that old, it must be an another great ancient civilization
I could totally believe that the Khaenri'ans were original nature-aligned humans, or possibly their last "pure" descendants. We don't know much about the timeline of Khaenri'ans to begin with, and all of it is hearsay we can't fully trust. Perhaps it's the association with Celestia-aligned powers that removes one from Nature. Maybe Khaenri'ah's rejection of gods allowed them to remain more aligned with nature than the humans from nations that did follow an Archon.
I bet this is connected to the art of Khemia in some manner. They are talking about the core concept of Genshin, which is unity. This quest had many ties with the Elden Ring quest about a cursed wolf being devoted to a witch. The argumentation the wolf is using is that humanity ultimately disturbed the natural order and therefore must be evil. There is something disturbing happening which is that the wolf seems to change his mind being close to the traveller. Lucifer many times has been said to have this ability. This theory ties very well with the Melusines calling the traveller a "monster that will devour this world" the melusines are gifted with the gaze of the gods and can see what the traveller really is, they also refer to Paimon as "BIg-Sis" this was lost from most content creators, but is a huge loredrop. Note that the Aranara race had no clue what Paimon was.
Okay not much related to the video but at 30:56 when she says "You guessed it, Fontaine" I got an ad from Genshin which had you guessed it, non-other than Furina! It was a Fontaine ad!
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I love the idea that Celestia is farming humans for divinity (=reason) shards. Also thanks for pointing out the crowns thing. I never noticed even though I should...
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I like that theory! I think it slots in very well with Genshin's gnostic themes. Plus, having the Primordial One be the demiurge/battlepass' first heir allows Genshin to pull out ye olde anime-style "But wait, that isn't the real highest boss - there's another, greater power we never knew of!"
🐐Regarding Renè's notes, what i understood about the relationship between the Khvarena and Abyssal energy was that they are opposing forces that can change the rules of the world, not necessarily the same type of energy or power, something more similar to matter / anti-matter. This is also why the arkhe energy works like that, both are annihilated when in contact with each other, releasing even more energy than the sum of its parts
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I'm not really knowledgeable on the subject so this might be a stupid thing to say, but isn't anti-matter similar to matter but with opposite charges as well as other opposite quantum numbers? That's more or less my take on Khvarena and abyssal energy: essentially the same thing but with opposite alignments - two halves of a whole, light and dark. At least for the time being. When you take into consideration the inspiration for the Arkhe system things get a litte murkier.
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You know, if one calls the supreme power "Reason", it shouldn't be about creating worlds from nothing and other feats of brute force. It should be about being able to build knowledge and wisdom, which can be used to build mechanisms, which can be used to do anything.
So the Primordial One using existing things to build the world, is very much in line with his power being Reason.
As for pheasant sitting on the throne of a god, it could very well be about the Second Who Came taking control, despite lacking reason. Which makes Second Who Came the First usurper.
If the Nails were made from Irminsul, as Parable of the Tree suggests, the one sitting on the throne attempted to substitute Reason with accumulated knowledge. Which makes a lot of sense. But of course, a pillar cut from Ley Lines is sure to create Ley Line Disorders of epic magnitude.
Been contemplating about the battle pass. I really don't think you can argue that according to HoYo's Cannon, Aether is the Traveler and Lumine is the Abyss sibling, even if most of us choose Lumine. Next, according to the honorifics used Chinese, Japanese, and Korean languages, Lumine is referenced as the younger of the two siblings. So this actually parallels that story supremely well.
I'd also like to point out; just because Aether and Lumine are Twins, does not discount that they could possibly have an even younger sibling that they might be looking for. After all, regardless of whom you pick as the Traveler, its clear they like to keep information close to the vest, which allows HoYo to hide various storytelling elements.
Also, on the off chance, the Twins are indeed stuck in a time loop, then what makes the most sense is that they have made a full rotation thru said loop, which means "The Road Not Taken" doesn't matter on who you choose, since they would have both been on each side of the equation within the time-loop at least once.
Rly good theory
Dottore also says divine knowledge is beyond reason/rationality in WNL.
"how about we explore that area later"
Its a good theory! I like it because it stoked my own imagination. And I just realized a possible theory. We all assume many things about the Primordial One; such as them splitting into 4 shades and Phanes. What if the Primordial One is not even a person. But a ship. The ship was the Ark carrying the Shades, Phanes, and perhaps other biological species for transplanting to a new world. So the Shades would be akin to the crew or custodians. Then, Phanes hatched from the egg. What hatches from eggs? Well many things; but to tie into the pheasant part, we can go with a bird.
Could it be possible the egg was not meant to hatch? What if it was a stowaway? (I was thinking like Alien the movies). When the egg hatched, it then went on to usurp control from the Shades and began to use them to govern and control Teyvat. Then, either the 1st Descender or the 2nd came and ruined (through conflict) the mechanism Phane's was using to control everything; since inherently they aren't a god?
So many things actually fall into place, if we assume the ship they came on is called.... wait for it...the Primordial One. Like, Air Force One. Their may have even been multiple ships Primordial One, Two, Three ect... This makes a lot of the Primordial's actions in context if all their beginning actions are viewed as preordered automations: Arrive on new world, test to make sure it has potential to reorder to sustain human life, then awaken the Shades.
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It's a human, probably what is left of one of the flame chasers
Red - pyro
Orange - geo???
Yellow - geo??
Green - dendro
Blue - hydro
Indigo - anemo
Violet - electro
Teyvat has its own laws, so maybe I’m overthinking this part cuz idk where the cryo archon would go 😂😂😂
i either didn’t pay attention or you never mentioned fatuus (since this info is also being sort of ignored and leads to other theories) about first who died, also you dropped this 🐐
The only lore from fatui we have is them confirming descenders and traveler is one of them and dottore supposedly revealing to nahida about sky none of the fatui have confirmed any descenders dying or being alive except traveler
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Sorry, I know I'm super late, but could you please expand a little on that? I actually have no clue about what you are talking about, I might have missed something.
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@@BluesLoreCrumbs hey i just saw this as well and i don't remember why i said that 😭 it's about the video you uploaded 4 days ago HAHAH
@@liskurn Shhh, don't let everybody know you are a time traveler! Hahaha that makes more sense, thanks for clarifying!
yes you're right we know that envoys of celestia(shades)(from fontaine wings) are together with the humans before the flood of the primordial one so the 4 shades are the rulers of humans just like the remuria's harmosts
🐐 actually, this theory might make A LOT of sense... if we can believe in what Narzissenkrauz believed; after all, his Ordo was created using the Theosophic Order as a model, and the Theosophists weren't exactly the most knowledgeable and reasonable esoterists ever...
Very valid point! Narzissenkreuz himself recognises that he is delusional, a little crazy, if you will. But he also attributes his successes to that fact, given how spot on he was with the world formula (for the most part, non accounted for variables notwithstanding) and how their philosophies seem to tie very well into previous lore I'm willing to believe (with a healthy amount of salt, of course) a lot of their teachings until we get new info.
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@@BluesLoreCrumbs Yeah, that's a thing. Honestly, this theory would make many things make sense in a very dark way...
GoF sacrificing herself for Deshret to go after PO's throat with Forbidden Knowledge...
Venti's general attitude towards Celestia (it could be due to Istaroth's influence on Venti)...
Istaroth helping Enkanomiya when PO cursed their land...
Istaroth helping Makoto and Ei to plant the Sacred Sakura in a way that it's "free from the Heavenly Principles"...
There are so many unexplained things that could take a sensible, yet kinda dark turn...
I mean we dont know the name of our creator (if there is one). People lie and say they know it was jesus, allah, brahma, izanagi and izanami, etc, etc, etc, but nobody actually knows.
BIG BANG!!!!! U FORGIT THE BIG BANG
@@jian6569 No I didnt. People don9⁹ò't know if the big bang actually happened, and they certainly don't know what caused a hor how something came out of nothing.
If the “primordial one” phanes is indeed a fake God then that would mean the archons are stronger if not more powerful than them it’s only because of them using the abyss or more specifically using a delusion is that they are the reason they’re so much more powerful if there’s one thing the archons I’ll have it in common that they all want to guide and preserve humanity with two living amongst them, and one sacrificing her divinity to become one it could be that true gods are one who are willing to make great sacrifices for humans This could be the reason why dain refers to the Archon, or god of each nation but doesn’t mention the primordial one as a god when talking about khaenriah I mean, since that is where the endgame is going to be you would at least think that he would briefly mention the primal one, at least once I think that in the end game we’re gonna fight the primordial one with the other archons using the power of reason and exposing them as a false ruler or god and will learn about the true primordial one the real god that created humans from reason in fact I believe that teyvat was created because of the primordial one and the seven dragons sovereigns slowly took over as the minor rulers in time that’s why we have mention of the primal fire or the primordial sea in fact I believed each of the ions are true god because their origins come from primordial elements venti was born from the shreds of time (I think) and the wind is most commonly associated with time which means that he could’ve been born from primal wind thx to isteroth zhongli was likely born from the asteroid that’s not from this world and he said you have many connections to the sun so likely his origins are minorly from the sun and he was born in teyvat from an outer being ei says she was born from the most terrifying incarnation of lightning which is primordial lightning and nahida was born from irminsul which is a giant tree that sustains teyvat which is primordial dendro and egeria was born from the primordial sea and folcalors when she was a human had primordial sea in her blood vessels and her skill and gameplay reflects the primordial see so since neuvillettes drip marketing mentions a primal fire then the pyro archon could have possibly been manifested from it as for the cryo archon we don’t know as if you have to buy. I’m sure we’ll learn more about her in natlan soon
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You need to add spaces between each paragraph so it's doesn't look like one sentence. Just a little criticism.
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Gnosticism has always explained the game ty
Not both twins are the canon traveler, and the flower is proof of that.
About Noah of the Ark and his bird, well, I found that he had two birds after watching your video. The first one that he sent out was a raven. When the raven didn't return, he sent out a dove... Hold up. I'm seeing parallels to the Gnostic Chorus siblings and the Honkai Star Rail Penacony twins since a raven and a dove have been closely associated with Sunday and Robin respectively.
Oh my gosh, does this make genderbent Sunday the Primordial One... and when Venti addresses the second heir as us, the Player, is he calling us genderbent Robin? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time Genshin has look alikes of characters of a separate Hoyoverse game.
Also, does this make the King in the Gnostic Chorus Noah?
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The unknown god is one of the shades she's probably asmoday the shade of space, and as you can see she's partially corrupted after thr battle with the 3rd descender " nibelung " after he'd acquired the power of the abyss. As for who rules Celestia, it's obviously the second who came, Phanes was defeated in the 1st battle against the 2nd throne.
Before Sun & Moon and the Goddess of Flowers both say that the Primordial One was victorious over the Second Who Came
@@hehimgoddess that's debatable, books aren't 100% accurate, besides Phanes was a benevolent god, and all a sudden after the 2nd who came everything in teyvat changed, enkanomya sunk into the ground and no one came to their rescue, that doesn't add up
You forgot few things 1st humans were not created aby shade of life it is said the humans were finally introduced to the land of teyvat and 2nd the line about sustainer and ascension it reads like this
Also this line is weirdly about traveler somehow replacing creator/phanes through ascension
"the sustainer is dying, the creator has yet to arrive,But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend."
It hints that the creator is expected to arrive or will arrive soon but if we ascend we can save the world (the creator in this is obviously primordial one the one who established the heavenly law and reshaped the world through his shades and knowledge)
And funny thing is neuvilette talks about 1st dc to be heavily weakened after the war with invaders and nibelung which resulted in primordial one/heavenly principal(heavenly principals is most likely a group of gods)to be injured and they are trying to fix the broken system of the world which should either be fate or law cuz if we apply mythos logic then according to mythos only fate and law can make the world work
The 3rd should be the line saying in shivaja jade "if you can withstand my bitter cold you can burn the old world" something along the line and then this "world shall burn no more"
Makes me wonder if tsaritsa will be our 1st archon that we don't agree with as traveler likes to know both sides of story to make decisions
And i doubt traveler siding with fatui when the top are just unhinged evil who destroyed many human lives and other reason is why would even pierro want to avenge khaenri'ah? He wasn't even taken seriously when he warned them im seeing the cliche betrayal of fatui and tsaritsa
I really wish I can watch these theory videos and not instantly forget absolutely everything that was said in it because of how all rambley it is. This seems to be a general Genshin lore theorist malady.
It's probably because the game itself is similarly rambly.
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Playing the recent levels of Honkai Impact 3rd really helps to further understand Teyvat.
Thank you, this has been SO comprehensive and helpful, puzzle pieces fit together and I seem to understand things so much better! The general gist of Gnosticism was really well explained! Thank you for all your hard work! 🩵🩵
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Yes, we can hear it.
But your voice doesn't sound too bad.
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So the creation of the demierge is the versthing that ate and killed lady kitsune saiguu guuji whennit was brought upon the land of inazuma i herd this amd im just going mad i want that person who did this dead even tho they are
Primordiol one is vikend
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primordial one is delulu
is there any possibility that 3rd descender was our sibling?
Nope
Seriously doubt it. Likely the lover of the 1st seelie, though.
@@windeen wait ... 3rd descender was 1st seelie's lover.. where did it came from
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I'll point out that nothing says the 1st seelie's lover WAS the 3rd descender.
That's why I used the word "likely".
That same person might also be the disembodied voice in the crystal (or its Deshret or some other sinner).
It's stated in the in-game books (and some datamined info I found a while back about some weapons that have not been released in the game yet) that the 1st seelie fell in love with a "traveler from afar".
And it's suggested that traveler was a descender (the seelies likely wouldnt have seen someone local to Teyvat as a "traveler from afar") and its stated that that they married in the palace of one of the moon sister's.
Then 30 days later all hell broke loose.
The traveler and first seelie were hunted down and punished.
She was cursed (the curse spread to most seelies) and he is suggested to have been cursed like the seelies or outright killed - though its not plainly stated that the lover died.
It can't really be ruled out, either.
This was mentioned in the book: "Records of Jueyun, Vol. 4 - Mountain Spirit " if I am remembering right.
So it SHOULD be commonly known, but a lot of people don't read those books, and aren't aware.
Possibly, if you think of all the time shenanigans by Istaroth, it's possible. Also, they did hint at the end of Fontaine AQ about how similar the 3rd descender is to the traveler.
the way you say phanes did not have power to control the world
is like saying abyss and light elements never existed
you are forgetting phanes is the god of light according to greek mytho
you make him sound like he needs all authorities , absolute authority to control a world
if yes then how did he defeat sovereigns when they had their full authority over their respective elements !
bet phanes already had power that is superior than elements and dragons authorities
thats why he was able to defeat dragon sovereigns who had full control over their element
biggest proof for this is
1) nabu malikata's creation by light that flowed through shade of life's eyes
and how easily nabu malikata's power can purify abyssal corruption compared to any other elemental archons
2) how her power khvarena is similar to abyss
and how both can rewrite worlds laws and have will of their own
3) a windglider says
there are many elements in universe
light(light from which universal laws/heavenly laws/principles/phanes were born ) refracts into multiple colours but humans only see 7 (dominant elements in teyvat)
Knowing dawit, he would make a video rebuking this theories. 😒
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Venti is the primordial one
The OFFICIAL canon IS of Aether. Certain cutscenes DO NOT make sense when viewed AS Lumine. (namely the petrified flower cutscene... WHERE is said Flower on Abyss Aether if BOTH are canon... YET, Abyss Lumine has TWO Flowers portrayed upon her person). Aether is the ONLY canonical MC (PLENTY of other games do this. Also, check what the DEVS have expressed about creating the story. they express how difficult it is to portray Abyss Lumine as MC Lumine, so they just LITERALLY copy-pasted HIS actions to HER for such cutscenes (and further why SOME cutscenes feel... a little off. As MC Lumines actions dont match up (as her Character_Model is trying to enact MC_Aether's model actions, thus, WHY she NEVER touches her chin where Aether does, when they do the Think_Animation during cutscenes xD)))
There's a slight problem that is central to the theory. There are not 7 soverign dragons. Just because Before Sun and Moon says so doesn't make it true. Remember, Before Sun and Moon was put in the game by the developers.
? What do u mean there's werents 7 sovereigns?
@@Error_Redacted Did I stutter? Lol There is one nation that does and does not have a sovereign. Mondstadt has the dragon Dvalin for example.
@@spiritcomics5655What are u even talking about
@@Sacrationhe is very confused, poor guy
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