This video came about as a byproduct of several other videos I am currently working on... Consider it a collection of things I was going to throw away. With that being said, I have always wanted to make a video about Kapatcir so I am glad either way.
given most of the lore we learn in enkanomiya is about the hydro dragon. wouldn't it suggests that inazuma and enkanomiya was the previous hydro sovereign's domain? instead of electro sovereign's. after all inazuma is in the sea, where life would naturally begin.
@@laetitiac9890 that's orobasi, a snake god. not a dragon. wait, do you not read dialogue in the game? it's explained multiple times in inazuma main quest.
I mean the resemblance is very subtle. not exactly what I would call “can’t unsee” territory by any means lol. maybe if he had crazy chameleon eyes or something
I have a theory. I think that three of the dragons (Geo, Anemo, and Hydro) are supposed to represent Behemoth, Ziz, and Leviathan, the biblical beasts said to show up on Judgement Day. That leaves four dragons left, and if we figure out the theme of those dragons then we can sort out what the remaining dragons represent. (For the first three: Behemoth is a land monster and an auroch or bull, and both Azhdaha and the demon Morax are bulls. Leviathan is a sea serpent or crocodile and Neuvilette is the heart of a giant reptilian sea serpent that makes many references to a Day of Judgement for the gods in his dialogue. And Ziz is a giant griffin-shaped bird, aka a sky monster; it's quadrupedal with talons, wings on its back, and a beak, just like Dvalin.) That leaves four dragons, and there are two possibilities I can think of - the "Four Living Creatures" that hold up the throne of God, or the "Four Auspicious Beasts" from Chinese mythology. While the first would be more thematic, I think that the four shades of the Priomordial One are much closer to the Four Living Creatures, both for their relationship to the Primordial One and because they live in Celestia, aka Heaven, which fits because the Four Living Creatures are often described as the angels Michael (the lion-headed), Raphael (the human-headed), Uriel (the ox-headed), & Gabriel (the eagle-headed). Another reason I think that the Four Auspicious Beasts are good fits for the remaining dragons is because Apep is a giant serpent with plant powers, and that's literally one of the auspicious beasts. The Azure Dragon of the East, Qinglong, is a serpentine dragon of the Wood element. And with a fit that direct, I think that the remaining three dragons that we haven't seen yet will match as well. Here's my idea for how they fit: - Dendro Dragon: Azure Dragon of the East, Qinglong. Wood element, Spring season - I already described why. However, I want to note that Ancient Chinese didn't have different words for blue and green; they were considered different shades of the same color. So the "Azure Dragon" is just as much a green dragon as it is a blue dragon. - Cryo Dragon: Black Tortoise of the North, Xuanwu. Water element, Winter season - Although the black tortoise is normally water, combining water with winter makes for an easy fit for the Cryo element of ice. (Also, the Black Tortoise is often depicted with a snake for a tail, which I feel fits for a draconic design.) - Pyro Dragon: Vermillion Bird of the South, Zhuque. Fire element, Summer season - This one is self explanatory, but I want to point out that it's often conflated with the Phoenix. And the story for Natlan has a lot of imagery around birth and rebirth, which fits really well with a phoenix symbol. - Electro Dragon: White Tiger of the West, Baihu. Metal element, Fall season - This is the last one, but it fits somewhat well. Metal is magnetic, meaning it can be manipulated with electricity. In Japan the beast is known as Byakku and is associated with wind and storms, and is often depicted with lightning powers. (Such as in the game Okami.) Metal is also used for making swords, so it fits for a land where swords and weapons of war are important symbols. The tiger is also a guardian of the afterlife who protects the souls of the dead, which if it's sealed by the tree would fit, since the tree houses memories of the dead within the leyline juice in it's roots. That's my theory for the remaining dragon sovereigns, as well as a short idea about the possible thematic symbolism behind the Four Primoridal Shades.
They share some similarities. I think Zhongli may have been a god of Celestia (I think he may have been their path finder) that was given the authority and power of the geo dragon, given that he descended with dominion over geo.
8:58 actually, there's people who theorize that Teyvat's dragons are modelled after Sea Slugs, Dvalin being an Angel Slug and Apep's Guardian being another kind of slug as well
Sea slugs can look like anything. There are sea slugs that look almost exactly like Azhdaha minus the legs and sea slugs that look like the otters that Neuvillette is based off. I kid you not, I spent about all of half an hour doing a quick research on it and it's all about adaptations to environments, which is similar to what the element dragons have had to go through since the age of man kind.
As a studying marine biologist, I absolutely love this theory. But for the life of me I cannot figure out what kind of marine invertebrate azhdaha is based off to match the sea slug theory. Dvalin is a Blue glaucus and Apep is a Milebe (and of course Seelies being Sea angels and Melusines are Nudibranchs). But I can't figure out what Azhdaha could be and I only could resembles him to a Frogfish but that's not an invertebrate. Azhdaha too much resembles a toad and a bull to me, the bull features relating to Morax. But I'm coming to accept that everything about Morax contradicts everyone else. Like how all the ancient beings (dragon sovereign's, seelies, etc.) they relate back to the sea (the primordial sea) emphasizing they are born in Teyvat. But Morax is different. His character profile stated he "dwelled" upon Teyvat for 6000 years, as though he had descended upon Teyvat from beyond the firmament. There are many evidence and theory videos that support this theory. That could explain why he (and Azhdaha) do not fit the sea slug theory. He wasn't born from their primordial sea (and why he hates seafood 😂 jkjk... or am I? 🤨) hmmmmmmmm??? (Edit) Another thing I like to add is how interesting that Melusines were born from the corpse of Elynas, a dragon (created by Gold) and yet they resemble sea creatures. It makes me think how the Dark Sea was where the seelies once inhabited (also sea creatures). And also the dark realm where Elynas' conscience once drifted in before Gold extracted his conscience into a body. I vaguely remember him describing it like a dark sea with stars, at first I thought he was talking about the abyss. (Please bare with me I know I am rambling) But then I remember Nahida's 2nd story quest, the Elemental Lifeforms said before Elemental Energy and Light Energy, there was only Abyssal Energy. Could this Abyssal Realm of pure Abyssal Energy be where Elynas' conscience originally swam in? Was Durin's conscience from the same realm? (Were the rifthounds also from the same place?) Could it be that their bodies, and their perspective of the world, contradicted and were not suitable for Teyvat because the 1st Usurper changed the world to reject them. The melusines however could see the world like how Elynas' and Durin did. Yet their bodies were compatible in Teyvat thanks to their "tokens"? Idk where I'm going with this. It's something I've been thinking a lot about. Just some food for thought.
@@squidonglitter2320 you can look up the live stream they did when they introduced azhdaha they named him after persian dragons wich are called azhdaha they were so evil god imprisoned them under the sea and the design is based on a toad 😂😂
altho persian dragons/azhdaha dont resemble toads they have snake like figure and their body is adapted to waters bc of imprisonment so in most stories they look fishlike
Omg I didnt bought this theory at first but yeah... U COOKED. U REALLY COOKED. Electro so far : Abyss/space/void/quantum and moon related. Even Raiden with her domain crimson moon and Crecent moon in her charged attack like ??? What is going on ???
hmm… if the seelies are like the oceanids and made from the remains of dragons, i think anemo would be the most fitting considering their frequent association with barbatos, and how angelic his archon appearance is.
I would love to see what you would have to say about the nature of elemental beings like Slimes and Seelies, how if they adapt to whichever element is in their environment then they must have a nonelemental base form, and where they came from.
I remember reading that elemental beings just spontaneously generate, so there is no heredity or evolution. Different kinds of slimes (and even same kinds of slimes) are unrelated, they just happen to look similar, because it's a natural form for the elements to take.
imagine this comes out to be true just like a theory i saw almost three years ago which was before the first dainsleif appearance it was two weeks before the update and he saied that hilichurls were humans
16:31 But the star beast we faced in recent Act was a pet of "The Foul", Skirk's master or Childe mast 16:31 er's master. So, I might not have connected the dots cause I want to know how Primordial one can control their enemy. I guess we know now that the mysterious people like Klee's mother, Mona's master and others are not entirely friendly with Hevenly Principles. And they can control many beasts of Abyss and have developed many Abysal techniques of their own. Primordial one is not exactly a fan of their power and their beasts.
Inazuma was ahead of its time. Delivered to us undercooked. There are so many great plot points. Even the main archon quest itself is great if you sit down piece everything together on your own. And that's the problem, the in-game delivery of the archon quest was so half baked (Ok I'll stop with the puns.)
personally, i think either the electro dragon is hidden in the dark waters beyond inuzuma, deeper within watatsumi, or just straight up somehow the sacred sakura just a feeling though, no proof or anything
0:55 The Spiral Abyss moon is the same as the moon of Tevat (ie the Terrestrial Moon of Earth) except it's been rotated and you're seeing about half of the near side and half of the far side of the moon. This is (only) possible to see from space because of the way the Moon always faces the Earth with the same face. Therefore the Spiral Abyss is in space a little way out. Not far. About 250,000 miles. Level 12 skips the moon altogether so it may be a little further out past the orbit of the moon. As far as I know all depictions of the moon in Teyvat are the Terrestrial Moon, including in the manga. But watch out for the rotations and the far side (dark side) of the moon. I think that only happens with the Spiral Abyss but I haven't really looked at the red moon in Ei's domain. It's possible the Tsurumi island mural is an eclipse, but it's probably just a stylized moon. I agree that the evidence says Kapatcir was a dragon. Several pieces of evidence beyond what you said in fact. But I've talked about that before. About 2 years ago I wrote an article about how weird the shadows are on Tsurumi before you clear the fog. You can Google it with "Hoyolab Something's odd about Tsurumi's shadows". Basically it just recorded the facts (with photos). Tsurumi's shadows don't track with the position of the sun or moon like the rest of Teyvat. That stops after the fog is lifted. At that time I noted "I can't think of any sort of astronomical explanation of what is going on down there. Given that we can't even see any sun or moon it's possible Tsurumi has completely different stuff in it's sky". About 1 year ago I revisited the topic (Google "Hoyolab The Thunderbird was the sun and the moon for Tsurumi"). It turns out the shadows are consistent with a big bright light source that regularly flies back and forth between Tsurumi and Seirai island. Not really following why you think Kapatcir couldn't be the sovereign. Not that it matters much. She appears to be as old as human beings as a species so she was probably around before the Primordial One, but of course that doesn't mean she is the Sovereign. But nothing appears to rule it out. 10:09 Don't you think that Kapatcir would remember who "she" was if "she" was her direct superior? And wouldn't Kapatcir remember the name her direct superior bestowed on her? The story is that Kapatcir has no use if a name and had no use for the person who named her. This alone is another proof she is not a god by the way as gods all have (several) names. Gods care about stuff like names. Dragons don't. Kapatcir doesn't even use Dvalin's name when referring to their meet-up. 10:38 since the Sacred Sakura doesn't even exist until 500 years ago in the old timeline I feel like it would be suppressing Abyss stuff from the Cataclysm. That is it's function after all. History did change so the Sacred Sakura is now 1000s years old but I doubt it's sealing anything different and even then 1000s of years isn't really that long ago. Could be some old defeated god from the Archon war, like the stone spikes that seal Osial. By the way before you draw a connection between Oceanids and the Electro prescence thing on Seirai reads the latter's archive description. They're not connected or similar in nature.
U made some good points but Dragons DO infact pay attention to their names. Neuvillette said so. This is the very reason why he doesnt tell his first name to anyone because knowing that give you power over them. Able to controle them. Its why Xiao was enslaved and why only a small group of trustworthy people knows archons real names. And also why Enkonomiyan didnt call Istaroth by her name but changed it .Names is a huge deal for all higher divinities
Where do you think Neuvillette said names are secret? All I found is a statement that he doesn't tell people his first name because he doesn't want to get close to people. They explicitly say that is the reason and so it appears to contradict your idea. This is in his Character Details. Besides he tells everyone his name "Neuvillette". In addition in literature where true names have magical power people simply assume other names for purposes of day to day communication. As such Kapatcir's name would be these common names if the concept of a true name existed in Genshin, which it basically doesn't beyond the Jinni of Sumeru, where, again, Liloupar has a common name that isn't her true name. Xiao wasn't enslaved by his true name - at least unless the new area has something about it, it's just unknown. Enkanomiya wrote Istaroth's name backwards so -- not exactly a huge puzzle to solve there is it? Oh I could control a greater god if only I could reverse the order of 8 letters. But that's just too difficult. Come on man. That's a silly idea. Now beyond the Jinni and possibly the GoF I don't know where you're getting this stuff from. At any rate there's no application to dragons, or giving people common names. @@Sacration
The Teyvat Moon isn't our Moon. Our Moon has phases that reflect her orbit around the Earth and her illumination from the Sun. The Teyvat Moon has'nt phases, she present to us the same forme, her fullness. Even Charon who is more close of Pluto than the Moon is close to the Earth has phases. There was three moons long ago, but two were destroyed when the Moon Sisters were punished and the third is a corpse of one of them. The sky and the stars are fake like Scaramouche and Dottore said. The Spirale Abyss is a door to Khaen'rhia and the "Real World". This is why Venti destroyed The Pilos Peak where the portal of the Spiral Abyss is (look like Dragonspine portal). The red Moon we see there is the same in the domaine of Ei because she was in Khaen'rhia, she saw that Red Moon, that same moon that is in the cutscene with Lumine. There are no far side of the moon because the Sun and the moon are not real or have anomalous size. On day on Reddit I read some data in the game seem imply the Sun is about 10km over the ground. If it was on Earth the Sun and the moon will be in the troposphere where the planes flying. Imagine the disaster. 😂 Teyvat is not Earth. It's somewhere else. And what we see it's maybe just a dream.
The Teyvat moon has phases that are mentioned in the literature. They're just not shown in the graphics. So canonically Teyvat isn't in tidal lock with the sun which would be the other way to explain always having a full moon I suppose, if you want to be super picky about it. But we're told the moon has phases. It is the Terran moon meaning that you can see the various mares that appear on the moon. They used an image of the Earth's moon but they don't always use the same image. Other than being red, the moon in the scene with Lumine and the moon in Ei's domain don't seem to be the same even with rotation or dark side taken account. Maybe I'm just not recognizing the mares from an odd angle. But I don't believe you've looked more than "yep - they're both red" if you think they are the same moon. it's probably worth looking into further because I wouldn't be surprised if it actually is the Terrestrial moon again under yet another set of conditions, distinct from those of the Spiral abyss and regular view from Teyvat. This isn't theory. I'm telling you a fact. The regular image of a moon used in game corresponds to the regular view of the moon on Earth from the Northern hemisphere. The one in the Spiral Abyss is not. It is based on the image of the moon taken from space at about 250,000 miles out or well maybe more like 350,000 I suppose. That is not a theory that is simple observation. As for theory we see the moon in the loading screen image (the area with the towers and walkways in the clouds) which is supposed to represent the upper firmament of the false sky so clearly the moon is indeed quite far out there in space and not a tiny fake thing painted on the underside of the firmament if that's what you meant? I'm not claiming Teyvat is Earth. I am stating for a fact that Teyvat's moon has the same mares as the terrestrial moon. That's simply an observation. @@capriciaelcid4743
If I recall for the cases of Dvalin and Azhdaha, Dvalin is not a true dragon but a elemental being that happens to take the form of a dragon while Azhdaha is a dragon of sorts but in other cases he is either described as a Vishap or the King of Vishaps which either way makes Azhdaha at least related to dragons as Vishaps are decendants of dragons but not like true dragons themselves, I think it is pretty much like the case for lets say Elden Ring where the Sovereigns are like the Ancient Dragons while Azhdaha and Dvalin are either decendants of those true ancient dragons or happens to look like them. The only true Sovereign we got to see was Apep and Neuvillete so far as they are indeed true Sovereigns
No, Dvalin and Azhdaha are also both ancient dragons and vishap, the same as Apep and Neuvillette are Vishap and ancient dragons. That's literally in their descriptions. Azhdaha is older than both Dvalin and Neuvillette and potentially even as old as Apep. Neuvillette and potentially Dvalin are reincarnations, and Apep and Azhdaha are potentially originals.
@@silverX3870 What are you waffling about. My main point wasn't to say that they were the same but that they were the same race. Apep was never stated to be a sovereign either so I don't get your point. In any case, I read the original mandarin transliteration of the game and I can say for certain that Azhdaha is, as for Dvalin, he might be, no clear statement of it yet but it's still possible that he might be.
I agree with the idea that the moon is a mirror to reflect something. But I have a feeling it's not as straightforward as "oh, the "Ruler of the World" just reflects these beasts to flex its power and keeps its rule." because yeah it feels like you jumped a few step on "why was Kapatcir there, in the first place?" She was not a vengeful creature originally, reminder. Also the Tsurumi Island lore has this Lady of the Golden Hall boat myth in one of its hidden achievements. Aka you could have gone deeper on finding out who was playing the role of "Iresu", in Genshin.
just a random thought, but when you mentioned a shade of the primordial one potentially creating Kapatcir. The first one that came to my mind was the shade of death since their artifact is represented through the feather and the peculiar pinion is like a big thing in tsurumi island's gameplay revealing memories of the past and showing the hidden tsurumi script symbols and even that one fishing spot. And the only feathered thing I can think of in tsurumi is Kapatcir. Actually now saying that. If the peculiar pinion is Kapatcir's feather, then why would it be able to show tsurumi's past memories? Maybe there's some relationship between Kapatcir and the ley lines? idk just random thoughts.
Note here: The hydro dragon is several thousands of years old. Neuvillette was there when his race fell. He also knew the dragon king, so there is no previous hydro dragon.
If there are celestial beasts, what about Hu Tao for example which has fire butterfly? We know for certain that one that also possessed fire butterfly is deceased, could it be we already 'defeated' celestial beast that was using one of Fatui commanders to possess more power to counterpart their relatively small size?
You know that paradise lost feather looks like kanna's feather. Also if i remember correctly she flew with wind dragon (i don't remember where this lore came from, but i know it's from somewhere in tsurumi island)
the moon being depicted as hollow is seen on the weklin moon too!!! when you get the primogem animation its a bit faint in the background and you can also see all three moons circulating around it as dots!!
If Kapatcir was the Electro Dragon Sovereign, it means that Ei, when she was just a Kagemusha and doesn't even have the Electro elemental authority yet, was able to kill a Dragon Sovereign... Hmmm i don't think so...
@@LaSignorasfav Split an island in half with her most powerfull attack? Bro, Kapatcir destroyed an island in 10 parts just with the fall of her body LOL Don't be strong enough to kill a Dragon Sovereign doesn't mean be weak, that's how she won in the archon war at the first place.
I bet we will definitely get electro sovereign crumbs in the future, it could be in natlan or couple patches later and it will be revealed as a "she" like apep. but yeah, take it with a grain of salt.
I really appreciate you adding subtitles. I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes it is hard for me to follow when people speak English too fast, especially if other foreign words are added
9:00 actually I'd argue that Dvalinn resembles a blue glaucus sea slug, like how the Oasis Guardian inside Apep as well as the melusines also resemble sea slugs. And so do the oceanids, seelies, and pari, although they're more like sea angels but molluscs nonetheless. It's like a really weird trend among the fairy and draconic beings of Teyvat Edit: i find it very convincing that Kapatcir is an elemental life form like Egeria, and it would explain why oceanids and pari are built like sea molluscs: Some dragons on Teyvat look like sea slugs, and all creatures born from them will carry over that trait (oceanid, pari, melusine, and Oasis Guardian, altho idk how seelies fit into this or why vishaps don't look sluggish. Maybe there's multiple forms of dragonhood on Teyvat?)
What about the electro authority? Does Ei has it? Makoto should have been to one receiving it, but then she died in khaeri’ah, did Ei took it? If yes when she discarded her physical body and built the Raiden shogun shouldn’t the authority be freed like what happened when Foçalor died? Or is the authority inside the sacred Sakura, then due to the time loop shenanigans for the first loop did the electro authority just vanished from Teyvat for 500 years? Or the authority has just been sealed all this time inside the corpse of the electro dragon beneath Kannazuka and is not in use?
The death of a physical body or a god does not transfer authority. It takes a lot of energy to destroy the throne upon which an elemental authority is stored. It took Furina 500 years to destroy hers without destroying her mortality. If it was that simple, she could have split herself into mortal and god and just killed her divinity on the spot and the prophecy could have been ended there and then. Hell, if it was that easy, Furina would never have had to worry about the prophecy, because the moment Egeria died, Neuvillette would have become a full dragon. Anyway, this should infer that to transfer/destroy a throne/elemental authority takes a lot of energy and is a secure enough system, that just killing an archon alone, isn't enough to spawn the power of a complete elemental dragon.
@@isaiahhaley4816Exactly. SHE is the electro archon. SHE has the authority over Electro. Also the details Archons have are not just for show and are Lore relevent. Im talking about (luminous color gradiant on hair and effect on party set up too)
12:03 I don't know if I misunderstood something from this, but this is my interpretation: Basically, Wings of Merciful lore reminded me of Ei having Scaramouche, but since he was sentient, she let him slumbered and made another of herself to place her eternity will (Raiden shogun) Now, of course it doesn't had to be 1 on 1 (but I really think about it) (+ The game keep denying Vishap's credibility, Idk why) 12:49 I also have other thoughts for this case: Durin and Primordial Albedo. Which gave me an idea about Deshret and Apep's case. Also Dvalin (when Abyss mage said that Barbatos lying and wished him to rot instead) < Those generally also involved eating, in my theory 🤔(although I may missed the bone part 🙏) 12:05 Also this is the part I keep thinking about: This really reminded me of our abyss sibling suddenly appeared in Khaenr'ah (Not saying if that's really the case but I wonder what's other explanation of this would be)
Oh u read my mind. Makoto and Ei children of the electro sovereign Makoto and Ei reincarnations of the electro sovereign Electro sovereign spliting its power in half, 2 girls And also Nahida saying Ei is sylver tree imbuded with electro ? Like wdym
@@Sacration The strongest suggestion of this theory for me is Neuvillette's voice lines about the Archons. The specific wording he uses when referring to the Electro Archon is more than a little curious.
Could you make a video on the Adepti? Going over the ones we know about and what actually makes an adepti, tbh there’s a lot of conflicting lore about the adepti in game.
On the topic of dragon sovereigns; Who's the geo dragon again? I've seen a lot of people say that Zhongli is the geo sovereign but that cant be because he's head of the adepti(Unless i'm mistaken). Is it Azdaha? And are there any theories about sovereigns other than Neuvillette and Apep?(Obviously except this one which i haven't watched as of making this comment)
The only way i can see azdaha being the geo sovereign is if zhongli carved him from a piece of the original dragon sovereign and the authority from the gnosis caused him to be reborn like how neuvillete is the hydro dragon reborn in a human(oid) body
@@The_original_one Not true. In the EN translation, the only dragon confirmed to be a sovereign is Neuvillette. Apep, Azhdaha and Dvalin have differing implications towards them being sovereigns also but that's subject to the individual players interpretation and understanding of the lore.
@@aghitsaplane4262 Gnosis and elemental authority do not equal the same thing. Also, Azhdaha was never crafted by Zhongli, that's a myth that Zhongli outright debunks at numerous points throughout that arc.
I think The dendro archon or may i say irminsul created by the roots or ichor of apep so the irminsul having the D.N.A of the apep and the other dragons also. Have familliar D.N.A to apep so that makes sense the 7 original archons are the seven artifical sovereigns whose created by primordial one or shades of them, the barbatos is the wind soul of istaroth egeria was the new heart of the primordial sea created by the shade of life,baal and beelzebub born with the thunder(maybe the thunder was the electro sovereigns thunder) and they have relationship with istaroth too and buer or irminsul also have a relationship with istaroth, we know that from before sun&moon book the parable of kings tree volume the priest(istaroth) grown upped new tree, egeria is the half sovereign or half draconic bc egeria created by the god of life and egeria born with the piece of the hydro sovereign or the blood of hydro sovereign(ichor) i think phanes also born with the ichor Legend says that when the first usurper came to the primordial sea, the first sovereign gave him a goblet of water. Later, he became the unquestioned god-king, and used this goblet of water to refine the mysterious drops of dew, establishing a splendid and powerful empire. The cosmic egg of phanes is the aether itself in mythology and the egg created by chronos/ananke ananke or chronos also the serpent what if the chronos or istaroth do a time travel with aether at the end and they will create the Cosmic egg so aether is the designer of all what the rene said in the wq and gnostizm the monad the real god was abandon the earth and demiurgos who was. Simillar to primordial one seperated the earth and heavens he/she played a god role
In terms of dragons that are confirmed, we have met just 1. In terms of those that are implied, we have met 3, maybe 4. So I don't know where you're getting that information from.
Back in the PS1 era when I played Breath of Fire 4 I was so confused with the "dragons" that inhabited their world, because they really really didn't look like the traditional western/medieval dragons I was used to. And yeah, research show to me that they took the chinese dragons as base.
Y’all all forget that Kokomi has a constellation called sleeping dragoness and that she is related to the elemental life forms in enkanomiya just like Neuvillette . They are most likely to be related. Yet even the devs and the players seem to have forgotten about this . Bruh. If bathysmal vishaps can become impure and adopt other elements then the Dragon sovereign of electro might have been reborn as a human and one who would have a connection to water but could never connect to the electro element for some reason.
The main evidence against k-bird sovereign is that it was post archon war. I'd expect k bird is like neuvilette pre-focalors giving his sovereignty back, or dealing before venti gave him his power. A reincarnation, stunted without the birthright inheritance. K bird might not have been aware of its draconic nature too. It essentially was minding it's own business
Ok, ok, this is a very new theory I just had 1:49 The moon has a hole, do you know what it reminds me of? The Musk Reef ..Mostly because the hole probably would be spiral abyss but also maybe it has it's own lore before that I don't know about (I played since ver 2.0 🙏)
Nice video bud, I wonder if u could cover the topic with the extraterrestrial dragons (hsr dan feng) more and what the story of hsr has to do with genshin.
ok I commented before, but I disagree with my old self. I'm like 90% sure that Kapatcir is a dragon. My main reasoning being that the Thunderbird's perch and the peculiar pinion both have a connection to the leylines being able to show old memories of tsurumi which is similar to Azhdaha's leyline tree and Azhdaha being able to the see the memories through rocks in Zhongli's second story quest. Also, I was reading wing lore bc of the upcoming new kfc wing, and the wings of feasting shows Alice telling Klee: "It might be hard for you to imagine it, Klee, but that was exactly what that world was like: fish-dragons lived in the oceans, and bird-dragons soared through the skies on wings that were super huge!" which means that dragons in Teyvat can look like birds like how Scylla looks like a fish despite also being a dragon. (Also wings of feasting kinda mentions the story of the Primordial One and the Dragon Sovereigns before "Before Sun and Moon" released in the game which is cool).
wait if oceanids were made from the carcass of the former hydro dragon sovereign, then what are melusines? also iirc from one of the loading pages with the tips it was said that seelies were a husk of the great race they once were, which can only guide people willing to follow them to treasure. but that does make you wonder what they were, where they came from and what happened to them.
Idk looks like his path went behind the moon, or the hole is a metaphorical window signifying it descended with the moons blessing acknowledgement or notice. It could also be a hint about the moons nature. Perhaps the moon is hollow? I feel your conclusion on the moons significance is a bit premature, but lobe the rest of your arguments and research
Now, I was thinking that Orobashi might have been the Electro Dragon, since it's Orobashi's body that seems to produce the crystal marrow that gets used in things like delusions... however, I haven't really done a lot of Genshin research. Thoughts?
Bruh i was skeptical at first but now i am stirred to believe some of the points you made might hold plausible truth. I've always been wondering what is the connection of the Thundering Manifestation's likeness to the Oceanids. Long ago I thought hoyo was being lazy and just recycling models. Since Sumeru's release, I now know hoyo is never lazy when it comes to their lore. There's a reason to their similarities and I think your theory might be onto something. Now i really want to know wth Kanna true identity is and where the heck is the Electro Dragon Soverign
So the only problem I have with the theory that Neuvilette was born when Egeria died, is during the lantern rite for 2024, Furina tells us he’s thousands of years old 😑
Unrelated but did you pull for mother bird? I noticed she has a vision wbich is interesting and makes me question how old the tradition of giving out visions is cant wait to unlock her stories
hey i hope you see this. in 4.5 mondstat event there is a 4* weapon named "Principles of equilibrium" i did a little research in Google and i find a book named "equilibrium: foundation of alchemy, the principle of universal equilibrium" there is so many interesting in it like: "the Damon as a creature with divided spirit" "the elementary spirit opened to destruction" "the beast the dragon the victim " "the spirit of unclean creature" and more... all of this reminds me of Rhinedottir what is your opinion? (sorry because of bad English tho)
I think they’re using the term “dragons” very loosely just to group them together. I don’t think any of them are even the same species. They ruled their elements because they were the strongest of their respective element and that was probably the only reason they were labled as dragons. The strongest being of each element was labled a dragon. Even if it was an electro chicken 🤣
The only dragon sovereigns we have met is Apep and Neuvillette (Xbalanque may be the pyro sovereign).. Azdaha and Dvalin are elemental dragons… Not a sovereign. SPOILER!!! -> The Electro Soverign is currently in Natlan with the Pyro soverign and both will be playable. Electro is a girl and pyro is a guy.
I am back to this video after watching this other video that pointed out that Fischl Leitmotif and fatui's are the same ( ruclips.net/video/_nNkbJMRryg/видео.html) , and considering you theorize that Fischl may represent the pale princess, this got me thinking alot if the pale princess is related to the cryo archon, what do u think?
Azhdaha is not a Sovereign & not even confirmed as a Dragon, coz he is the Lord of Geovishaps, not lord of dragons. Apep is confirmed to lived before even Primordial One came to Teyvat. Plus she fought during the Apocalypse & the War against the Shades. She also said that while she is fighting, she heard that Nibelung was defeated, but came back from outside Teyvat. She was also the ruler of all the Forest in Sumeru even before it was turned into desert so we all know that Dragon Ruler is similar to Dragon Sovereign.
I dont agree the kapatcir theory but Orabashi was outright stated to not be a vishap/ a dragon when they said his biology incompatible with the vishaps. He's is giant snake god that fled from liyue after fighting zhongli.
@@juniorchief5989Orobashi was born some time before or during the Archon War. Unable to defeat either Deus Auri[Note 2] or the Narukami, and tired of "being shamed for blasphemy",[3] Orobashi fled from Teyvat[7][2] and eventually ended up beyond the seal that separated Enkanomiya from Teyvat.[8] So tell me why all the zhongli glazers say that he fled from liyue because of zhongli where it's clearly stated that he couldn't defeat Deus Auri (Zhongli) and Narukami (Ei). Only credits to zhongli huh?
This video came about as a byproduct of several other videos I am currently working on... Consider it a collection of things I was going to throw away. With that being said, I have always wanted to make a video about Kapatcir so I am glad either way.
given most of the lore we learn in enkanomiya is about the hydro dragon. wouldn't it suggests that inazuma and enkanomiya was the previous hydro sovereign's domain? instead of electro sovereign's. after all inazuma is in the sea, where life would naturally begin.
What about the skeleton which is across inazuma
@@laetitiac9890 that's orobasi, a snake god. not a dragon.
wait, do you not read dialogue in the game? it's explained multiple times in inazuma main quest.
@@someoneinasia oh yah I remember now😋
@@someoneinasia btw nope
5:32 The mental image of Kapatcir faceplanting the island is so freaking funny 😂
I genuinely laughed lol it reminded me of cartoons.
Thanks to you I will now never be able to unsee the fact that Azhdaha is a Chameleon… It makes so much sense tho.
Yeah, commonly I see a bull or a frog associated with him.
Azhdaha as a chameleon is so funny honestly
I mean the resemblance is very subtle. not exactly what I would call “can’t unsee” territory by any means lol. maybe if he had crazy chameleon eyes or something
I have a theory. I think that three of the dragons (Geo, Anemo, and Hydro) are supposed to represent Behemoth, Ziz, and Leviathan, the biblical beasts said to show up on Judgement Day. That leaves four dragons left, and if we figure out the theme of those dragons then we can sort out what the remaining dragons represent.
(For the first three: Behemoth is a land monster and an auroch or bull, and both Azhdaha and the demon Morax are bulls. Leviathan is a sea serpent or crocodile and Neuvilette is the heart of a giant reptilian sea serpent that makes many references to a Day of Judgement for the gods in his dialogue. And Ziz is a giant griffin-shaped bird, aka a sky monster; it's quadrupedal with talons, wings on its back, and a beak, just like Dvalin.)
That leaves four dragons, and there are two possibilities I can think of - the "Four Living Creatures" that hold up the throne of God, or the "Four Auspicious Beasts" from Chinese mythology. While the first would be more thematic, I think that the four shades of the Priomordial One are much closer to the Four Living Creatures, both for their relationship to the Primordial One and because they live in Celestia, aka Heaven, which fits because the Four Living Creatures are often described as the angels Michael (the lion-headed), Raphael (the human-headed), Uriel (the ox-headed), & Gabriel (the eagle-headed).
Another reason I think that the Four Auspicious Beasts are good fits for the remaining dragons is because Apep is a giant serpent with plant powers, and that's literally one of the auspicious beasts. The Azure Dragon of the East, Qinglong, is a serpentine dragon of the Wood element. And with a fit that direct, I think that the remaining three dragons that we haven't seen yet will match as well. Here's my idea for how they fit:
- Dendro Dragon: Azure Dragon of the East, Qinglong. Wood element, Spring season - I already described why. However, I want to note that Ancient Chinese didn't have different words for blue and green; they were considered different shades of the same color. So the "Azure Dragon" is just as much a green dragon as it is a blue dragon.
- Cryo Dragon: Black Tortoise of the North, Xuanwu. Water element, Winter season - Although the black tortoise is normally water, combining water with winter makes for an easy fit for the Cryo element of ice. (Also, the Black Tortoise is often depicted with a snake for a tail, which I feel fits for a draconic design.)
- Pyro Dragon: Vermillion Bird of the South, Zhuque. Fire element, Summer season - This one is self explanatory, but I want to point out that it's often conflated with the Phoenix. And the story for Natlan has a lot of imagery around birth and rebirth, which fits really well with a phoenix symbol.
- Electro Dragon: White Tiger of the West, Baihu. Metal element, Fall season - This is the last one, but it fits somewhat well. Metal is magnetic, meaning it can be manipulated with electricity. In Japan the beast is known as Byakku and is associated with wind and storms, and is often depicted with lightning powers. (Such as in the game Okami.) Metal is also used for making swords, so it fits for a land where swords and weapons of war are important symbols. The tiger is also a guardian of the afterlife who protects the souls of the dead, which if it's sealed by the tree would fit, since the tree houses memories of the dead within the leyline juice in it's roots.
That's my theory for the remaining dragon sovereigns, as well as a short idea about the possible thematic symbolism behind the Four Primoridal Shades.
Oooo I like this theory
Me like this
Theory❤❤❤
Hold up, he's cooking something
That actually is worth noting
Wait wait, you cooking here
8:35 I like how both Azhdaha and Morax (Demon) are bulls… Kinda gives them that “King of the Mountain” vibe.
They share some similarities. I think Zhongli may have been a god of Celestia (I think he may have been their path finder) that was given the authority and power of the geo dragon, given that he descended with dominion over geo.
True true
They literally are "king of the mountain"-
8:58 actually, there's people who theorize that Teyvat's dragons are modelled after Sea Slugs, Dvalin being an Angel Slug and Apep's Guardian being another kind of slug as well
Sea slugs can look like anything. There are sea slugs that look almost exactly like Azhdaha minus the legs and sea slugs that look like the otters that Neuvillette is based off. I kid you not, I spent about all of half an hour doing a quick research on it and it's all about adaptations to environments, which is similar to what the element dragons have had to go through since the age of man kind.
As if Melusines being sea slugs wasn't enough.
As a studying marine biologist, I absolutely love this theory. But for the life of me I cannot figure out what kind of marine invertebrate azhdaha is based off to match the sea slug theory. Dvalin is a Blue glaucus and Apep is a Milebe (and of course Seelies being Sea angels and Melusines are Nudibranchs). But I can't figure out what Azhdaha could be and I only could resembles him to a Frogfish but that's not an invertebrate. Azhdaha too much resembles a toad and a bull to me, the bull features relating to Morax. But I'm coming to accept that everything about Morax contradicts everyone else. Like how all the ancient beings (dragon sovereign's, seelies, etc.) they relate back to the sea (the primordial sea) emphasizing they are born in Teyvat. But Morax is different. His character profile stated he "dwelled" upon Teyvat for 6000 years, as though he had descended upon Teyvat from beyond the firmament. There are many evidence and theory videos that support this theory. That could explain why he (and Azhdaha) do not fit the sea slug theory. He wasn't born from their primordial sea (and why he hates seafood 😂 jkjk... or am I? 🤨) hmmmmmmmm???
(Edit) Another thing I like to add is how interesting that Melusines were born from the corpse of Elynas, a dragon (created by Gold) and yet they resemble sea creatures. It makes me think how the Dark Sea was where the seelies once inhabited (also sea creatures). And also the dark realm where Elynas' conscience once drifted in before Gold extracted his conscience into a body. I vaguely remember him describing it like a dark sea with stars, at first I thought he was talking about the abyss. (Please bare with me I know I am rambling) But then I remember Nahida's 2nd story quest, the Elemental Lifeforms said before Elemental Energy and Light Energy, there was only Abyssal Energy. Could this Abyssal Realm of pure Abyssal Energy be where Elynas' conscience originally swam in? Was Durin's conscience from the same realm? (Were the rifthounds also from the same place?) Could it be that their bodies, and their perspective of the world, contradicted and were not suitable for Teyvat because the 1st Usurper changed the world to reject them. The melusines however could see the world like how Elynas' and Durin did. Yet their bodies were compatible in Teyvat thanks to their "tokens"? Idk where I'm going with this. It's something I've been thinking a lot about. Just some food for thought.
@@squidonglitter2320 you can look up the live stream they did when they introduced azhdaha they named him after persian dragons wich are called azhdaha they were so evil god imprisoned them under the sea
and the design is based on a toad 😂😂
altho persian dragons/azhdaha dont resemble toads they have snake like figure and their body is adapted to waters bc of imprisonment so in most stories they look fishlike
Omg I didnt bought this theory at first but yeah... U COOKED. U REALLY COOKED.
Electro so far : Abyss/space/void/quantum and moon related.
Even Raiden with her domain crimson moon and Crecent moon in her charged attack like ??? What is going on ???
Ruu was not next in line to be sacrificed when the Thunderbird met him. He was chosen as next particularly because the Thunderbird liked him.
hmm… if the seelies are like the oceanids and made from the remains of dragons, i think anemo would be the most fitting considering their frequent association with barbatos, and how angelic his archon appearance is.
holy shit i was skeptical but bro cooked up a course that puts Xiangling to shame
Okay you cooked with this one. Ei is one of my favourite characters. I really hope they bring her more into the overall lore of Teyvat.
In general, civilizations of expected similar ancestral age as the Ainu retains the thematic of representing bird-gods as dragons.
I would love to see what you would have to say about the nature of elemental beings like Slimes and Seelies, how if they adapt to whichever element is in their environment then they must have a nonelemental base form, and where they came from.
I remember reading that elemental beings just spontaneously generate, so there is no heredity or evolution. Different kinds of slimes (and even same kinds of slimes) are unrelated, they just happen to look similar, because it's a natural form for the elements to take.
imagine this comes out to be true just like a theory i saw almost three years ago which was before the first dainsleif appearance it was two weeks before the update and he saied that hilichurls were humans
16:31 But the star beast we faced in recent Act was a pet of "The Foul", Skirk's master or Childe mast 16:31 er's master.
So, I might not have connected the dots cause I want to know how Primordial one can control their enemy. I guess we know now that the mysterious people like Klee's mother, Mona's master and others are not entirely friendly with Hevenly Principles. And they can control many beasts of Abyss and have developed many Abysal techniques of their own. Primordial one is not exactly a fan of their power and their beasts.
Ohh, i was interested in this topic for so long! Glad you made this video!
10:14 bro said this name faster then eminem could dream of
Same as in the Nasuverse. We dont talk about the moon.
Mooncell?
@@user-xn2gd8kz1m The True Ancestors.
Tsukihime
@@user-xn2gd8kz1mType Moon
Inazuma was ahead of its time. Delivered to us undercooked. There are so many great plot points. Even the main archon quest itself is great if you sit down piece everything together on your own. And that's the problem, the in-game delivery of the archon quest was so half baked (Ok I'll stop with the puns.)
True, Inazuma's lore is underrated. The Archon Quest had issues, but the world quests are still relevant to this day.
personally, i think either the electro dragon is hidden in the dark waters beyond inuzuma, deeper within watatsumi, or just straight up somehow the sacred sakura
just a feeling though, no proof or anything
personally, i think the electro dragon is Yae Miko.
@@paulamblard3836 bruh.
It would be cool is the electro sovereign had some relation to the sacred sakura
Personally I think the electro dragon is the friends we made along the way.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks dam
Thunderbird is consecrated raven which ate electro sovereign body
Please 😂😂
Constipated Raven
This could make sense.
0:55 The Spiral Abyss moon is the same as the moon of Tevat (ie the Terrestrial Moon of Earth) except it's been rotated and you're seeing about half of the near side and half of the far side of the moon. This is (only) possible to see from space because of the way the Moon always faces the Earth with the same face. Therefore the Spiral Abyss is in space a little way out. Not far. About 250,000 miles. Level 12 skips the moon altogether so it may be a little further out past the orbit of the moon.
As far as I know all depictions of the moon in Teyvat are the Terrestrial Moon, including in the manga. But watch out for the rotations and the far side (dark side) of the moon. I think that only happens with the Spiral Abyss but I haven't really looked at the red moon in Ei's domain.
It's possible the Tsurumi island mural is an eclipse, but it's probably just a stylized moon.
I agree that the evidence says Kapatcir was a dragon. Several pieces of evidence beyond what you said in fact. But I've talked about that before.
About 2 years ago I wrote an article about how weird the shadows are on Tsurumi before you clear the fog. You can Google it with "Hoyolab Something's odd about Tsurumi's shadows". Basically it just recorded the facts (with photos). Tsurumi's shadows don't track with the position of the sun or moon like the rest of Teyvat. That stops after the fog is lifted. At that time I noted "I can't think of any sort of astronomical explanation of what is going on down there. Given that we can't even see any sun or moon it's possible Tsurumi has completely different stuff in it's sky".
About 1 year ago I revisited the topic (Google "Hoyolab The Thunderbird was the sun and the moon for Tsurumi").
It turns out the shadows are consistent with a big bright light source that regularly flies back and forth between Tsurumi and Seirai island.
Not really following why you think Kapatcir couldn't be the sovereign. Not that it matters much. She appears to be as old as human beings as a species so she was probably around before the Primordial One, but of course that doesn't mean she is the Sovereign. But nothing appears to rule it out.
10:09 Don't you think that Kapatcir would remember who "she" was if "she" was her direct superior? And wouldn't Kapatcir remember the name her direct superior bestowed on her? The story is that Kapatcir has no use if a name and had no use for the person who named her. This alone is another proof she is not a god by the way as gods all have (several) names. Gods care about stuff like names. Dragons don't. Kapatcir doesn't even use Dvalin's name when referring to their meet-up.
10:38 since the Sacred Sakura doesn't even exist until 500 years ago in the old timeline I feel like it would be suppressing Abyss stuff from the Cataclysm. That is it's function after all. History did change so the Sacred Sakura is now 1000s years old but I doubt it's sealing anything different and even then 1000s of years isn't really that long ago. Could be some old defeated god from the Archon war, like the stone spikes that seal Osial.
By the way before you draw a connection between Oceanids and the Electro prescence thing on Seirai reads the latter's archive description. They're not connected or similar in nature.
U made some good points but Dragons DO infact pay attention to their names. Neuvillette said so. This is the very reason why he doesnt tell his first name to anyone because knowing that give you power over them. Able to controle them.
Its why Xiao was enslaved and why only a small group of trustworthy people knows archons real names. And also why Enkonomiyan didnt call Istaroth by her name but changed it .Names is a huge deal for all higher divinities
Where do you think Neuvillette said names are secret?
All I found is a statement that he doesn't tell people his first name because he doesn't want to get close to people. They explicitly say that is the reason and so it appears to contradict your idea. This is in his Character Details. Besides he tells everyone his name "Neuvillette". In addition in literature where true names have magical power people simply assume other names for purposes of day to day communication. As such Kapatcir's name would be these common names if the concept of a true name existed in Genshin, which it basically doesn't beyond the Jinni of Sumeru, where, again, Liloupar has a common name that isn't her true name.
Xiao wasn't enslaved by his true name - at least unless the new area has something about it, it's just unknown.
Enkanomiya wrote Istaroth's name backwards so -- not exactly a huge puzzle to solve there is it? Oh I could control a greater god if only I could reverse the order of 8 letters. But that's just too difficult. Come on man. That's a silly idea.
Now beyond the Jinni and possibly the GoF I don't know where you're getting this stuff from. At any rate there's no application to dragons, or giving people common names.
@@Sacration
The Teyvat Moon isn't our Moon. Our Moon has phases that reflect her orbit around the Earth and her illumination from the Sun. The Teyvat Moon has'nt phases, she present to us the same forme, her fullness. Even Charon who is more close of Pluto than the Moon is close to the Earth has phases. There was three moons long ago, but two were destroyed when the Moon Sisters were punished and the third is a corpse of one of them. The sky and the stars are fake like Scaramouche and Dottore said.
The Spirale Abyss is a door to Khaen'rhia and the "Real World". This is why Venti destroyed The Pilos Peak where the portal of the Spiral Abyss is (look like Dragonspine portal).
The red Moon we see there is the same in the domaine of Ei because she was in Khaen'rhia, she saw that Red Moon, that same moon that is in the cutscene with Lumine.
There are no far side of the moon because the Sun and the moon are not real or have anomalous size. On day on Reddit I read some data in the game seem imply the Sun is about 10km over the ground. If it was on Earth the Sun and the moon will be in the troposphere where the planes flying. Imagine the disaster. 😂
Teyvat is not Earth. It's somewhere else. And what we see it's maybe just a dream.
The Teyvat moon has phases that are mentioned in the literature. They're just not shown in the graphics. So canonically Teyvat isn't in tidal lock with the sun which would be the other way to explain always having a full moon I suppose, if you want to be super picky about it. But we're told the moon has phases.
It is the Terran moon meaning that you can see the various mares that appear on the moon. They used an image of the Earth's moon but they don't always use the same image.
Other than being red, the moon in the scene with Lumine and the moon in Ei's domain don't seem to be the same even with rotation or dark side taken account. Maybe I'm just not recognizing the mares from an odd angle. But I don't believe you've looked more than "yep - they're both red" if you think they are the same moon. it's probably worth looking into further because I wouldn't be surprised if it actually is the Terrestrial moon again under yet another set of conditions, distinct from those of the Spiral abyss and regular view from Teyvat.
This isn't theory. I'm telling you a fact. The regular image of a moon used in game corresponds to the regular view of the moon on Earth from the Northern hemisphere. The one in the Spiral Abyss is not. It is based on the image of the moon taken from space at about 250,000 miles out or well maybe more like 350,000 I suppose. That is not a theory that is simple observation.
As for theory we see the moon in the loading screen image (the area with the towers and walkways in the clouds) which is supposed to represent the upper firmament of the false sky so clearly the moon is indeed quite far out there in space and not a tiny fake thing painted on the underside of the firmament if that's what you meant?
I'm not claiming Teyvat is Earth. I am stating for a fact that Teyvat's moon has the same mares as the terrestrial moon. That's simply an observation.
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If I recall for the cases of Dvalin and Azhdaha, Dvalin is not a true dragon but a elemental being that happens to take the form of a dragon while Azhdaha is a dragon of sorts but in other cases he is either described as a Vishap or the King of Vishaps which either way makes Azhdaha at least related to dragons as Vishaps are decendants of dragons but not like true dragons themselves, I think it is pretty much like the case for lets say Elden Ring where the Sovereigns are like the Ancient Dragons while Azhdaha and Dvalin are either decendants of those true ancient dragons or happens to look like them. The only true Sovereign we got to see was Apep and Neuvillete so far as they are indeed true Sovereigns
No, Dvalin and Azhdaha are also both ancient dragons and vishap, the same as Apep and Neuvillette are Vishap and ancient dragons. That's literally in their descriptions. Azhdaha is older than both Dvalin and Neuvillette and potentially even as old as Apep. Neuvillette and potentially Dvalin are reincarnations, and Apep and Azhdaha are potentially originals.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks They might be Dragons but NOT Dragon sovereigns theirs a difference my man
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks they never stated in the game that they're one of the Sovereigns
@@silverX3870 What are you waffling about. My main point wasn't to say that they were the same but that they were the same race. Apep was never stated to be a sovereign either so I don't get your point.
In any case, I read the original mandarin transliteration of the game and I can say for certain that Azhdaha is, as for Dvalin, he might be, no clear statement of it yet but it's still possible that he might be.
I agree with the idea that the moon is a mirror to reflect something. But I have a feeling it's not as straightforward as "oh, the "Ruler of the World" just reflects these beasts to flex its power and keeps its rule."
because yeah it feels like you jumped a few step on "why was Kapatcir there, in the first place?" She was not a vengeful creature originally, reminder. Also the Tsurumi Island lore has this Lady of the Golden Hall boat myth in one of its hidden achievements.
Aka you could have gone deeper on finding out who was playing the role of "Iresu", in Genshin.
adding: I'm more on the opinion even HP don't have powers over this sytem. Or they had, then they lost it.
I agree with you he couldve gone deeper
just a random thought, but when you mentioned a shade of the primordial one potentially creating Kapatcir. The first one that came to my mind was the shade of death since their artifact is represented through the feather and the peculiar pinion is like a big thing in tsurumi island's gameplay revealing memories of the past and showing the hidden tsurumi script symbols and even that one fishing spot. And the only feathered thing I can think of in tsurumi is Kapatcir.
Actually now saying that. If the peculiar pinion is Kapatcir's feather, then why would it be able to show tsurumi's past memories? Maybe there's some relationship between Kapatcir and the ley lines? idk just random thoughts.
Yeah, if it is a Shade who made the Thunderbird then it could be any of them really. I was just guessing.
Note here: The hydro dragon is several thousands of years old. Neuvillette was there when his race fell. He also knew the dragon king, so there is no previous hydro dragon.
Neuvillette is the reincarnation of the hydro dragon so there technically was a hydro dragon before him.
Congrats on 10k! Your theories are awesome, just discovered you yesterday.
What about the Moon Sisters?
That's what I am saying, each sister was a different moon
The three moon sister
One is dead and shines over tevyat
2nd maybe is Paimon
3rd unknown god
What if the moon in the plane of euthymia it's the dark side of the moon and in the abyss is the one where it shines
20:25 Seelies used to be a race but I think they were sealed away to a weak form and had to be guide treasure
If there are celestial beasts, what about Hu Tao for example which has fire butterfly? We know for certain that one that also possessed fire butterfly is deceased, could it be we already 'defeated' celestial beast that was using one of Fatui commanders to possess more power to counterpart their relatively small size?
You know that paradise lost feather looks like kanna's feather. Also if i remember correctly she flew with wind dragon (i don't remember where this lore came from, but i know it's from somewhere in tsurumi island)
the moon being depicted as hollow is seen on the weklin moon too!!! when you get the primogem animation its a bit faint in the background and you can also see all three moons circulating around it as dots!!
If Kapatcir was the Electro Dragon Sovereign, it means that Ei, when she was just a Kagemusha and doesn't even have the Electro elemental authority yet, was able to kill a Dragon Sovereign... Hmmm i don't think so...
Ei split an island in half on accident without the authority aswell its safe to say that she wasn't exactly weak before
@@LaSignorasfav Split an island in half with her most powerfull attack? Bro, Kapatcir destroyed an island in 10 parts just with the fall of her body LOL
Don't be strong enough to kill a Dragon Sovereign doesn't mean be weak, that's how she won in the archon war at the first place.
@@Negolossauro and do pray tell what caused her fall? Exactly it was Ei who literally *ONE SHOT HER*
@@LaSignorasfav Yeah, but you missed the point, this doesn't mean Kapatcir was a Dragon Sovereign. I never said Ei was weak.
I bet we will definitely get electro sovereign crumbs in the future, it could be in natlan or couple patches later and it will be revealed as a "she" like apep. but yeah, take it with a grain of salt.
I really appreciate you adding subtitles. I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes it is hard for me to follow when people speak English too fast, especially if other foreign words are added
9:00 actually I'd argue that Dvalinn resembles a blue glaucus sea slug, like how the Oasis Guardian inside Apep as well as the melusines also resemble sea slugs. And so do the oceanids, seelies, and pari, although they're more like sea angels but molluscs nonetheless. It's like a really weird trend among the fairy and draconic beings of Teyvat
Edit: i find it very convincing that Kapatcir is an elemental life form like Egeria, and it would explain why oceanids and pari are built like sea molluscs: Some dragons on Teyvat look like sea slugs, and all creatures born from them will carry over that trait (oceanid, pari, melusine, and Oasis Guardian, altho idk how seelies fit into this or why vishaps don't look sluggish. Maybe there's multiple forms of dragonhood on Teyvat?)
What about the electro authority? Does Ei has it? Makoto should have been to one receiving it, but then she died in khaeri’ah, did Ei took it? If yes when she discarded her physical body and built the Raiden shogun shouldn’t the authority be freed like what happened when Foçalor died? Or is the authority inside the sacred Sakura, then due to the time loop shenanigans for the first loop did the electro authority just vanished from Teyvat for 500 years? Or the authority has just been sealed all this time inside the corpse of the electro dragon beneath Kannazuka and is not in use?
If there the archon they have the authority
The death of a physical body or a god does not transfer authority. It takes a lot of energy to destroy the throne upon which an elemental authority is stored. It took Furina 500 years to destroy hers without destroying her mortality. If it was that simple, she could have split herself into mortal and god and just killed her divinity on the spot and the prophecy could have been ended there and then. Hell, if it was that easy, Furina would never have had to worry about the prophecy, because the moment Egeria died, Neuvillette would have become a full dragon.
Anyway, this should infer that to transfer/destroy a throne/elemental authority takes a lot of energy and is a secure enough system, that just killing an archon alone, isn't enough to spawn the power of a complete elemental dragon.
@@isaiahhaley4816Ei doesn't have her gnoiss though
@@tungsten8332 ok and the authority of the seven elements aren’t tied to the gnosis it’s tied to the seat of the Arcon
@@isaiahhaley4816Exactly.
SHE is the electro archon. SHE has the authority over Electro.
Also the details Archons have are not just for show and are Lore relevent.
Im talking about (luminous color gradiant on hair and effect on party set up too)
12:03 I don't know if I misunderstood something from this, but this is my interpretation:
Basically, Wings of Merciful lore reminded me of Ei having Scaramouche, but since he was sentient, she let him slumbered and made another of herself to place her eternity will (Raiden shogun)
Now, of course it doesn't had to be 1 on 1 (but I really think about it)
(+ The game keep denying Vishap's credibility, Idk why)
12:49 I also have other thoughts for this case: Durin and Primordial Albedo. Which gave me an idea about Deshret and Apep's case. Also Dvalin (when Abyss mage said that Barbatos lying and wished him to rot instead) < Those generally also involved eating, in my theory 🤔(although I may missed the bone part 🙏)
12:05 Also this is the part I keep thinking about: This really reminded me of our abyss sibling suddenly appeared in Khaenr'ah (Not saying if that's really the case but I wonder what's other explanation of this would be)
I'm just waiting for them to fully reveal that Ei is one of two Electro dragons. Or alternatively, is one half the the Electro dragons brain.
Oh u read my mind. Makoto and Ei children of the electro sovereign
Makoto and Ei reincarnations of the electro sovereign
Electro sovereign spliting its power in half, 2 girls
And also Nahida saying Ei is sylver tree imbuded with electro ? Like wdym
@@Sacration The strongest suggestion of this theory for me is Neuvillette's voice lines about the Archons. The specific wording he uses when referring to the Electro Archon is more than a little curious.
@@Sacration When nahida said that?
Possibility of moon is being entering point to Teyvat mean star rail logo probably hinting something
Could you make a video on the Adepti? Going over the ones we know about and what actually makes an adepti, tbh there’s a lot of conflicting lore about the adepti in game.
I am actually making one as I type this.
@D3A6 I think Azhdaha was based off of your mom. LOL!
Hello Fujin from Genshin Impact
@@sheekshow hello Clothar from genshin impact
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On the topic of dragon sovereigns; Who's the geo dragon again? I've seen a lot of people say that Zhongli is the geo sovereign but that cant be because he's head of the adepti(Unless i'm mistaken). Is it Azdaha? And are there any theories about sovereigns other than Neuvillette and Apep?(Obviously except this one which i haven't watched as of making this comment)
The only conformed soveraign is apep and neuvillete the rest are theorys
Oh I almost forgot nebulog is the dragon king
The only way i can see azdaha being the geo sovereign is if zhongli carved him from a piece of the original dragon sovereign and the authority from the gnosis caused him to be reborn like how neuvillete is the hydro dragon reborn in a human(oid) body
@@aghitsaplane4262 just like he said in the video gnosis and the authority of the original dragons aren't the same thing
@@The_original_one Not true. In the EN translation, the only dragon confirmed to be a sovereign is Neuvillette. Apep, Azhdaha and Dvalin have differing implications towards them being sovereigns also but that's subject to the individual players interpretation and understanding of the lore.
@@aghitsaplane4262 Gnosis and elemental authority do not equal the same thing. Also, Azhdaha was never crafted by Zhongli, that's a myth that Zhongli outright debunks at numerous points throughout that arc.
0:58 I'm pretty sure one of the books had said there was 3 moons I think primordial one
I think The dendro archon or may i say irminsul created by the roots or ichor of apep so the irminsul having the D.N.A of the apep and the other dragons also. Have familliar D.N.A to apep so that makes sense the 7 original archons are the seven artifical sovereigns whose created by primordial one or shades of them, the barbatos is the wind soul of istaroth egeria was the new heart of the primordial sea created by the shade of life,baal and beelzebub born with the thunder(maybe the thunder was the electro sovereigns thunder) and they have relationship with istaroth too and buer or irminsul also have a relationship with istaroth, we know that from before sun&moon book the parable of kings tree volume the priest(istaroth) grown upped new tree, egeria is the half sovereign or half draconic bc egeria created by the god of life and egeria born with the piece of the hydro sovereign or the blood of hydro sovereign(ichor) i think phanes also born with the ichor
Legend says that when the first usurper came to the primordial sea, the first sovereign gave him a goblet of water.
Later, he became the unquestioned god-king, and used this goblet of water to refine the mysterious drops of dew, establishing a splendid and powerful empire. The cosmic egg of phanes is the aether itself in mythology and the egg created by chronos/ananke ananke or chronos also the serpent what if the chronos or istaroth do a time travel with aether at the end and they will create the Cosmic egg so aether is the designer of all what the rene said in the wq and gnostizm the monad the real god was abandon the earth and demiurgos who was. Simillar to primordial one seperated the earth and heavens he/she played a god role
we have only met two sovereign dragons. hydro and dendro.
People theorize that azhdaha and Dvalin are the geo and anemo dragons. One due to the strange powers Venti gave to Dvalin.
@@bonniexclyde. well, they're not. so.
In terms of dragons that are confirmed, we have met just 1. In terms of those that are implied, we have met 3, maybe 4. So I don't know where you're getting that information from.
Back in the PS1 era when I played Breath of Fire 4 I was so confused with the "dragons" that inhabited their world, because they really really didn't look like the traditional western/medieval dragons I was used to.
And yeah, research show to me that they took the chinese dragons as base.
Y’all all forget that Kokomi has a constellation called sleeping dragoness and that she is related to the elemental life forms in enkanomiya just like Neuvillette . They are most likely to be related. Yet even the devs and the players seem to have forgotten about this . Bruh. If bathysmal vishaps can become impure and adopt other elements then the Dragon sovereign of electro might have been reborn as a human and one who would have a connection to water but could never connect to the electro element for some reason.
The main evidence against k-bird sovereign is that it was post archon war.
I'd expect k bird is like neuvilette pre-focalors giving his sovereignty back, or dealing before venti gave him his power. A reincarnation, stunted without the birthright inheritance.
K bird might not have been aware of its draconic nature too. It essentially was minding it's own business
Been wondering about this for years tysm
Ok, ok, this is a very new theory I just had
1:49 The moon has a hole, do you know what it reminds me of? The Musk Reef
..Mostly because the hole probably would be spiral abyss but also maybe it has it's own lore before that I don't know about (I played since ver 2.0 🙏)
Nice video bud, I wonder if u could cover the topic with the extraterrestrial dragons (hsr dan feng) more and what the story of hsr has to do with genshin.
interestingly Fischl's 1st ascension passive talent is "Star-Eating Magic Crow" in Chinese
Dose that mean nikou is a water dragon of spirit and flowers ? I want her even more now
What's your opinion on the 7 dragon sovereigns + 1 which is the dragon King ? Something like 7 nations + 1 khaenriah
Sovereigns have nothing to do with Khaenri'ha wdym?
ok I commented before, but I disagree with my old self. I'm like 90% sure that Kapatcir is a dragon. My main reasoning being that the Thunderbird's perch and the peculiar pinion both have a connection to the leylines being able to show old memories of tsurumi which is similar to Azhdaha's leyline tree and Azhdaha being able to the see the memories through rocks in Zhongli's second story quest.
Also, I was reading wing lore bc of the upcoming new kfc wing, and the wings of feasting shows Alice telling Klee: "It might be hard for you to imagine it, Klee, but that was exactly what that world was like: fish-dragons lived in the oceans, and bird-dragons soared through the skies on wings that were super huge!" which means that dragons in Teyvat can look like birds like how Scylla looks like a fish despite also being a dragon. (Also wings of feasting kinda mentions the story of the Primordial One and the Dragon Sovereigns before "Before Sun and Moon" released in the game which is cool).
Teyvat has 3 moons. The current one is a dead one that did not change on her turn and caused a disaster( time loop?)
5:22
Woa. That was a brain splode for me
wait if oceanids were made from the carcass of the former hydro dragon sovereign, then what are melusines? also iirc from one of the loading pages with the tips it was said that seelies were a husk of the great race they once were, which can only guide people willing to follow them to treasure. but that does make you wonder what they were, where they came from and what happened to them.
Idk looks like his path went behind the moon, or the hole is a metaphorical window signifying it descended with the moons blessing acknowledgement or notice.
It could also be a hint about the moons nature. Perhaps the moon is hollow?
I feel your conclusion on the moons significance is a bit premature, but lobe the rest of your arguments and research
Now, I was thinking that Orobashi might have been the Electro Dragon, since it's Orobashi's body that seems to produce the crystal marrow that gets used in things like delusions... however, I haven't really done a lot of Genshin research. Thoughts?
Bruh i was skeptical at first but now i am stirred to believe some of the points you made might hold plausible truth. I've always been wondering what is the connection of the Thundering Manifestation's likeness to the Oceanids. Long ago I thought hoyo was being lazy and just recycling models. Since Sumeru's release, I now know hoyo is never lazy when it comes to their lore. There's a reason to their similarities and I think your theory might be onto something. Now i really want to know wth Kanna true identity is and where the heck is the Electro Dragon Soverign
So the only problem I have with the theory that Neuvilette was born when Egeria died, is during the lantern rite for 2024, Furina tells us he’s thousands of years old 😑
dude, this is brilliant
Unrelated but did you pull for mother bird? I noticed she has a vision wbich is interesting and makes me question how old the tradition of giving out visions is cant wait to unlock her stories
It’s probably fake, just like how Zhongli,Venti and Yae go around with fake visions
Ashikai posted a video about it
hey i hope you see this.
in 4.5 mondstat event there is a 4* weapon named "Principles of equilibrium"
i did a little research in Google and i find a book named "equilibrium: foundation of alchemy, the principle of universal equilibrium"
there is so many interesting in it like:
"the Damon as a creature with divided spirit"
"the elementary spirit opened to destruction"
"the beast the dragon the victim "
"the spirit of unclean creature"
and more...
all of this reminds me of Rhinedottir
what is your opinion?
(sorry because of bad English tho)
BASED on the words of the Fatui Harbinger Zandik only, we know the sky is fake.
11:50 SHE’S AN ENEMY STAND USER
I think kapachir is the real oz and fuchi the real fishel
I thought about this but I also wonder if Fischl is supposed to be King Irmin's daughter... It is a long story.
@@DragonMJE what if it's both ? And fischel incarnates ? Her constalation is oz for dome reson
10:10 Kokomi saw or at least acknowledged the star beast existence wtf
Bro cooked--we ate and we enjoyed it !
regarding neuvilette's dragon form just check his constellation LOL
His constellation is fake you know that right?
I heard he or she will also be fighting in Natlan
There are Chameleons with horns.
What about the 3 Moon Sisters? Do we just forget about them? 😭
I maybe am the only one who has seen that oz the bird from fishl kinda looks like the thunder bird
I take it back😅
Watching this just as Natlan has come out.... i Kana is a dragon then does that make the tengu another type of dragon people?
so does thst nake seeles the remains of the moon sisters?
I think they’re using the term “dragons” very loosely just to group them together. I don’t think any of them are even the same species. They ruled their elements because they were the strongest of their respective element and that was probably the only reason they were labled as dragons. The strongest being of each element was labled a dragon. Even if it was an electro chicken 🤣
maybe seelies are the souls of baby dragons?
plot twist - Primordial one is also a dragon from another world
So what I'm taking from this is Kiana is on the moon 😅
Kiana is right with us
It could be the snake
Started with moon ended with moon where's the electro sovereign👽?
what's the music at the start?
And ayaka and yomimia
Paimon is a dragon, not a god. Hoards? Check. Devours food? Check. Flight capability? Check.
The only dragon sovereigns we have met is Apep and Neuvillette (Xbalanque may be the pyro sovereign).. Azdaha and Dvalin are elemental dragons… Not a sovereign. SPOILER!!! ->
The Electro Soverign is currently in Natlan with the Pyro soverign and both will be playable. Electro is a girl and pyro is a guy.
The moon has secret
"Fuchi" is the spanish equivalent of "ew"
:-. D
I am back to this video after watching this other video that pointed out that Fischl Leitmotif and fatui's are the same ( ruclips.net/video/_nNkbJMRryg/видео.html) , and considering you theorize that Fischl may represent the pale princess, this got me thinking alot if the pale princess is related to the cryo archon, what do u think?
Azhdaha is not a Sovereign & not even confirmed as a Dragon, coz he is the Lord of Geovishaps, not lord of dragons. Apep is confirmed to lived before even Primordial One came to Teyvat. Plus she fought during the Apocalypse & the War against the Shades. She also said that while she is fighting, she heard that Nibelung was defeated, but came back from outside Teyvat. She was also the ruler of all the Forest in Sumeru even before it was turned into desert so we all know that Dragon Ruler is similar to Dragon Sovereign.
YALL ITS OROBAXI 💀💀💀
k.k. huh 🤔 coincidence?
not trying to be rude but you need a big mic upgrade
Yae Miko = Electro Dragon
isnt electro dragon yae miko? lol
people actually theorize that Kapatcir was a sovereign
but they don't accept that Orobashi was a dragon/Vishap
I dont agree the kapatcir theory but Orabashi was outright stated to not be a vishap/ a dragon when they said his biology incompatible with the vishaps. He's is giant snake god that fled from liyue after fighting zhongli.
@@juniorchief5989Orobashi was born some time before or during the Archon War. Unable to defeat either Deus Auri[Note 2] or the Narukami, and tired of "being shamed for blasphemy",[3] Orobashi fled from Teyvat[7][2] and eventually ended up beyond the seal that separated Enkanomiya from Teyvat.[8]
So tell me why all the zhongli glazers say that he fled from liyue because of zhongli where it's clearly stated that he couldn't defeat Deus Auri (Zhongli) and Narukami (Ei). Only credits to zhongli huh?
Nice video
all hail the prinzessin