How To Make Tinplate Track More Realistic

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  • @richardstewart4135
    @richardstewart4135 Год назад +4

    Another great video. I have always liked the look of painted and ballasted track and when building a Lionel railroad that was to be permanent. I am in the process of building yet another Lionel layout with my grandson and part of the plan will be to have stained wood ties, painted rail and ballast. Thanks again for the great video as it keeps me motivated to get mine up and running.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      Thanks for watching. I never ballasted my last layout because I was still making changes to the track plan when I had to dismantle and move it.

  • @danwoodman5505
    @danwoodman5505 Год назад +5

    I've always preferred hand laying ties and ballast over the plastic stuff. I get more of a feeling of building a railroad.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад +3

      The best thing about this hobby is there are so many different ways to do it!

  • @feathersfeathers2022
    @feathersfeathers2022 Год назад +1

    Well done and held my interest for the entire video. Thanks

  • @richardnelson-ux1zz
    @richardnelson-ux1zz Год назад +1

    Thanks for sharing this video

  • @markslioneltrains
    @markslioneltrains Год назад +2

    Looks great.! Always been curious how to do the balast and the glue water mixture.! Cool Video. 😎 Thanks.!

  • @VB-bk1lh
    @VB-bk1lh 8 месяцев назад +1

    The center rail is hidden better by painting it the same color as the ballast or sort of camouflaging it with gray and white to break up the straight line and making it blend with the ballast.

  • @VB-bk1lh
    @VB-bk1lh 10 месяцев назад

    Back in the 60's my grandfather set up a layout at our house, he used white rolled roofing to make the track bed area, which gave the look of ballast, and he cut wood ties from 1/8" thick produce crates. He then dipped all the cut ties in dark brown dye. The ties were held in place by the track which when screwed down through the strips of sheet roofing became trapped in place. The green areas were done with a mix of paint and fine sawdust applied with a roller directly to the whole sheets of plywood beneath it all. Lakes and streams were made with aluminum foil and tinted clear paint done with an air brush.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  10 месяцев назад

      Very nice! Many layouts were done like this, especially before commercial scenery products became readily available in the 1970s and later.

    • @VB-bk1lh
      @VB-bk1lh 9 месяцев назад

      I recently began digging out his old trains and track, what I'm finding is that what ever paint or ink he used on the tracks washed right off with a quick dip in rubbing alcohol. I remember him referring to it as 'ink', not paint but it was something he brought home from work at the refinery.@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  9 месяцев назад

      @@VB-bk1lh interesting. I know some who use gun bluing on the center rail.

  • @jackcurran1122
    @jackcurran1122 11 месяцев назад +1

    Try cutting popsicle sticks up for ties also, soak them in clothing dye to color them

  • @johnandrus3901
    @johnandrus3901 22 дня назад

    Very nice! I like that look of the ballasted rail. I'm debating on whether or not to do this to my layout, because I have three mains on a 24x18 L and that is a lot of ballast. Either way, great job. An excellent video, as always.

  • @modelrailpreservation
    @modelrailpreservation Год назад +1

    Ever notice with old Marx O-27 track, with the end ties set inboard a bit from the ends of the rails, if you put one intermediate tie between the center and end tie, total of five ties per section, when you join them, the tie spacing looks pretty even?

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      Yes, but when mixed with Lionel I add even more - and with the inset ends there's enough room to add one more tie on each end. Thanks for watching!

  • @ronalddevine9587
    @ronalddevine9587 Год назад +2

    I agree that the center rail isn't widely used here in the USA, but several years ago I discovered that the London Underground uses the centre rail quite extensively.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      There's a prototype for everything!

    • @ronalddevine9587
      @ronalddevine9587 Год назад

      @@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      Indeed!

    • @momatmach1
      @momatmach1 Год назад

      The London Underground is a four rail system, there is a centre rail and also one to the side of the track.

  • @RABSTRAINS
    @RABSTRAINS 10 месяцев назад

    Very educational, thank you!

  • @scaleyardmarine
    @scaleyardmarine 7 месяцев назад

    Brilliant

  • @stormshadow5555
    @stormshadow5555 Год назад

    If you're going to go to all that trouble, you might as well put down a cork roadbed too!

  • @amblealong4581
    @amblealong4581 Год назад

    Looks nice! You're far more patient than me. Thanks for the tips!

  • @monstersbrandsparkplugz7151
    @monstersbrandsparkplugz7151 Год назад +2

    I get a cheap bag of play sand spread it out on top of the track bed then go over it with the ballast. It’s a good filler and my ballast goes a long way.

  • @joeystrains.9316
    @joeystrains.9316 Год назад

    Great results. Finished track looks nice.

  • @henryszubielski8601
    @henryszubielski8601 Год назад

    Thanks for the tips!
    A very enjoyable video.

  • @mycrazygrandpa
    @mycrazygrandpa Год назад +1

    I found out that Gargraves uses a black oxide process on their center rails so as to be electrically conductive, is this something you may try on a later experiment? Hopefully you will and we can all benefit, great tip!

  • @user-if4qg2cg7s
    @user-if4qg2cg7s 9 месяцев назад

    I agree it does look better

  • @Johns0gaugeAndH0trains
    @Johns0gaugeAndH0trains Год назад +1

    Another good video. I have FastTrack, which is ok, but a little too plastic-looking. I finally took a chance and painted the outer rails, lightly weathered the plastic roadbed and ties, and added a little gravel ballast in spots. It's probably the single thing that most improved the look of the railroad.

  • @Burmn
    @Burmn Год назад

    I switched to gargraves, and did the same on the sides of the rail but with markers. Came out nice

  • @Engine1988
    @Engine1988 10 месяцев назад

    I like to use a mix of tuscan red and black to make my rust.

  • @chasesrailwaylinesrr6447
    @chasesrailwaylinesrr6447 Год назад +3

    I bet if there wasn't a center rail it would look really realistic looks great!

  • @BAKU2K2
    @BAKU2K2 Год назад +1

    Have you ever had any experience with Lionel's "Super-O" track? It's basically a predecessor to their current "FasTrack."

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      I do not have any Super O, but I have seen it. It's very hard to find since it hasn't been made since the 1960s. It has very realistic ties and a thin metal strip as the center rail. (You can start an argument with Postwar operators over whether the strip wears out pickup rollers faster than the standard rail.) Turnouts were very finicky as well. FasTrack is actually a totally different animal that came along 4 decades later.

  • @IndianaNorthWestern
    @IndianaNorthWestern Год назад

    For the glue mixture I just use a squeeze condiment bottle, and if it doesn't soak in quickly or much at all because the finer ballast is a pain, I just drop some 91% isopropyl onto the stubborn areas and the next day everything is great

  • @michaelashley9354
    @michaelashley9354 Год назад

    I like your show I got two ways to catch up

  • @georgebenson6036
    @georgebenson6036 Год назад

    Great video as always. I have seen some people lay a strip of N scale cork roadbed along the outside of the ties with the sloped side facing out. That helps to trap the ballast inside the track. Also, I wish you would have given us a brand name on the craft paint you used.

  • @frankmarkovcijr5459
    @frankmarkovcijr5459 Год назад

    I went through the whole ballast glue cork Road bed thing with my HO trains. I prefer Mike's train house track with the road bed included. Since the track is brass it will not rust. I prefer the early solid rail track to the late model template style track because I find template in my book to be cheap all the scale rails use solid rail like the Prototype. Plus if you're going to have anything bigger than a 4x8 layout you're going to have to have a lot of terminal feeders because there's lots of resistance in the old style track with all the connections. I had an outdoor layout with old Lionel track and new Lionel track and in a year the new Lionel track turn black and then crumbled away and I had to replace it all with American made track. Of course I will use the old style track for your trackage and for siding.

  • @lonnievickerman1990
    @lonnievickerman1990 Год назад

    Ties would help the look. I did that also.

  • @user-de2wc6os7g
    @user-de2wc6os7g 10 месяцев назад

    There arer many options for ballast. I'll probably use pumice. Have you ever tried cat litter?

  • @plunkervillerr1529
    @plunkervillerr1529 Год назад

    My main interest is to have a tight clean electrical connection . Still plunking along .

  • @djjuego123
    @djjuego123 Год назад

    Awesome! What do you for area around switches?

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      I leave turnouts and other pieces with built-in bases alone to prevent getting ballast in the points and to make removal for maintenance easier.

  • @johnpontin9276
    @johnpontin9276 Год назад

    Great video thx

  • @JL-pc9sl
    @JL-pc9sl Год назад

    Nice video and great ideas...only question i have is why the huge gap between the sections of track. You should not be able to see any part of the pin that connects them. Not only can this cause electrical problems but the noise and running problems it can create are BAD!!! Not to mention it just looks like BAD!!!

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      Well, here's the situation. When the track was laid in the Spring, the gap was closed. But the 40" straight on the right sits directly under an HVAC vent. In the summer, the repeated blasts of cold air causes the steel rail to contract, opening the joint. In the winter, repeated blasts of hot air makes the rail expand, closes the gap, AND pushes the unsecured rail on the left slightly out of gauge. Things return to normal in spring and fall.

    • @TheScottab
      @TheScottab 8 месяцев назад

      I was wondering also, now I know.
      @@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks

  • @frankmarkovcijr5459
    @frankmarkovcijr5459 Год назад

    Since my old gauge trains include subway trains as well as running electrics with the pantographs down just like the New Haven ep 5 had 3rd rail shoes when they were in New York Central territory. When my uncle took me to the Long Island Railroad they were signs everywhere saying Beware of the third rail. I can accept the rail being in the middle instead of on the outside because I am not going to go to outside third rail and nobody has made stuff for outside third rail since World War II.

  • @richardnelson-ux1zz
    @richardnelson-ux1zz Год назад

    What type of paint do you use acrylic testers model glue rustolium or krylon metal paint

  • @ThomasBieschke
    @ThomasBieschke Год назад

    I have a couple Lionel locomotives that spark a lot when in use. I had both clean and lubed by a Lionel authorized dealer. I clean the track and still have same issue with sparking. I was told to not use the old track to buy new track. Is there anything you could suggest for me to try? thank you.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад +1

      A few things: 1) They all spark a little. 2) What are you cleaning your track with? If you're using an abrasive of any kind, you are putting microscopic pits in the rails that trap dirt. The best I have found is a two step process - wipe down the rails with mineral spirits, then add a light coating of CRC cleaner, which will clean, improve contact, and convert and prevent rust. Many modelers in the scale world use NO-OX instead of CRC, but it doesn't play well with traction tires. After the above treatment, I find just wiping with a clean, dry cloth when needed works fine for months.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад +1

      If the problem is only certain locomotives, I would check to make sure the inside contacts are clean on the motor and E units.

    • @ThomasBieschke
      @ThomasBieschke Год назад

      It is both locomotives. I was also told to use rubbing alcohol and soft cloth. the Lionel set was purchased back in 1961 by my dad a few days after I was born to set up around the Christmas tree. it has sentimental value and would like to pass along to my son or daughter.

    • @ThomasBieschke
      @ThomasBieschke Год назад

      I will give this method a try. Thank you.@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks

  • @jblackacre2325
    @jblackacre2325 Год назад

    Hi Mike, I really look forward to your videos. I was just trying to download your ties from thingiverse and received a 404 not found response. Would you be willing to check or share the link again please?

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      Hmmm. I will check the problem. Thanks!

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад +1

      Funny. It looks like ALL of my files are missing from Thingiverse! Here's the link on Tinkercad www.tinkercad.com/things/5gptXynHAte?sharecode=1uyGtj8fnNhPY7dvuPf-PQuaAxCm96-4a6kcW_Xy-74

    • @jblackacre2325
      @jblackacre2325 Год назад

      Thank you Sir! Fwiw, I've had similar problems with my own creations on thingiverse.

  • @lonnievickerman1990
    @lonnievickerman1990 Год назад

    Is it really worth all that trouble ? They are toy trains, I have attempted this project back in the mid 70's.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      It depends. If you like the classic tinplate look, that's perfectly fine. If you want a bit more realism (as much as 3 rail allows), this is an option. Rule #1 is your railroad - your rules. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @michaelashley9354
    @michaelashley9354 Год назад

    My Lionel train is 70 ft around and not including two sightings it would take me forever

  • @markcopeland4344
    @markcopeland4344 Год назад

    Mike get you a makeup brush works better than a paint brush not as stiff.

  • @Cbtrainnut
    @Cbtrainnut Год назад

    Impossible to make 3 rail track look realistic. Like putting lipstick on a pig. It’s still a pig. Just an S Scalers opinion. But a really nice video.

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :-) Thanks for the video comment!

    • @robertnielsen2461
      @robertnielsen2461 11 месяцев назад +1

      This discussion started in 46 when Gilbert introduced S gauge and it still is going on,some things are just to much fun to let go of!

    • @Cbtrainnut
      @Cbtrainnut 11 месяцев назад

      @@robertnielsen2461 I agree lol

  • @roge69charger
    @roge69charger Год назад

    The Fast track doesn't look as realistic at all to your 027 track
    Fast track reminds me of the racing car track I recall
    Decades ago

  • @jimyeetast9335
    @jimyeetast9335 Год назад

    Just switch to ho at this point if your going for realism and let the kids play with your o gauge

    • @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
      @ToyTrainTipsAndTricks  Год назад

      Lionel suggested this in their own Model Builder magazine in the 1930s, so I'm okay. ;-) photos.app.goo.gl/6W7CtmgB2LsqaaaF8