They are under alot of stress from constantly being clowned on, I’m sure sdf is running on fumes at this point and probadly can’t think properly (would make sense with his patches/logic lmao)
@@devinland5160 Understandble reason, but honestly a bad excuse. It brings alot of confusion and I know multiple people are complaining about things that arent even the way they are, because well. They dont know certain things changed.
The BIGGEST problem is that they cannot properly articulate their "plan". Players are just having to find out the hard way and suffer through these different weeks of mass change ane confusion. If they were more effective at communicating, there would be a lot less backlash, that coupled with not putting in such impactful changes piecemeal and mid-wipe.
sdf doesnt have a set plan. he gets influenced by the loudest whiners on reddit and dc. for example the ones that have been crying for 2 years straight about gear.
@@skunkybudtoker9092 the player base is always angry. they will die to something stupid due to themselves playing bad and complain. literally no change also anger the player base. im glad sdf made these change so new player will come because the old players on discord are mostly just toxic babies.
pretty sure they were trying to get ready for the gem socketing system, and making higher tier gear more customizable with enchantments instead of just being for stat checking, but they decided to trickle out the updates with a community that has a melt down without any thought over every little change instead of having it all ready in one go for some reason.
They are garbage dude. I'm tired of the b.s too. Get good they say... How the f can u do that when it changes constantly. Still have the issue of being beamed by arrows and run down by shooting classes. Still a shit game
@gladlawson61 it is annoying but just have to adapt and keep moving. Take a break with another game for a bit until it stabilizes out a little if you are bothered that much. I think it's nice sometimes since you consistently get better rolls on gear instead but overall the patches are still an L There is improvement coming but the game is so unstable right now that it's hard to even try to grind anything that's not AP tbh
tbh i am not against any patch in specific i am against the endless balance loop we have been in for a lot of time all i need is new maps , new enemies , new loot and maybe new classes idc if barb gets nerfed so he can 2 shot instead of 3 shot i am really tired of changes
none of those things are needed at all. there are already so many classes, a good amount of maps and enemies, and plenty of loot. what the game needs is an entire combat overhaul. it needs actual skill expression in the game, and rewarding combat. at the moment, the combat is either getting killed in under a second, or it's just a kiting simulator, neither of which is engaging. DaD's biggest weakness is its combat system, or rather entire lack of a combat system
@@xxephon your so wrong the original poster is correct. they will never have a class based game balanced. Its never been done and never will be done. Wows pvp has never been balanced. BG3 classes arent balanced. League of legends isnt balanced. Apex legends isnt balanced.
find it strange they'd leave phy healing and projectile dmg reduction but scrap mem cap and buff duration. i find my self using these enchantments very often where as a phy healing is useless unless you're an ale bard. projectile dmg reduction has never been a relevant stat.
I think the enchantment squish paired with reintroduction of some form of guaranteed base scaling is actually good. A full bis legendary set at this point is still significantly stronger than a full squire kit, but the gap is much much smaller than pre patch 69. Also even though there are some niche situations where players would want to have buff duration or mem cap, I think the majority cases they would be considered dead rolls. With all rarities of gear giving 5 base, its very achievable to get enough mem cap anyways. Pre 69 some items saw almost no popularity, like radiant cloaks, wisdom rings, or owl pendants. People are so used to being able to just get every stat they want that they dont want to sacrifice anything. Now maybe you have to pick up a radiant cloak or wisdom ring instead of that grimsmile that you wanted to use, you actually have to consider your build, you can't just get max everything. The removal of these rolls is in a majority maybe as much as 90% of cases an improvement, which in turn makes rarities better constitute an upgrade since dead rolls are much rarer. I just hope that all the people downvoting the game on steam does not end up killing the game. If the game dies, there is no certainty that any other company are going to be willing to pick up the ball. Dark and darker is a niche game that is aimed at a narrow population. It's not very attractive to recreate a similar game especially considering the insane backlash any change over a small amount of time has produced. Who wants to develop a game for a niche crowd knowing that by one miststep you end up having your customers turn on you. If the game dies we might not see a similar game in a long time if ever. The game was born out of love and not greed. Not many developers are willing to put their livelyhood on the line to create something unique and interesting. Triple A companies thinks about profit first and the actual product second. That is the reason we see so many cookie cutter games that blend in with all the others.
Your comment hits home with how I feel. The only thing I would add in order to make everyone happy is flesh out AR and MR on gear just a little more, maybe 3 points more per rarity and then add 1 more base stat points per rarity back to head/body/legs/hands/feet only. That way main gear feels good when you find a legendary or epic compared to what you start with. Then maybe just start fixing abilitys that are never used.
As a warlock main that started on steam release, I’ve never had less fun. Torture mastery is my only viable build (because barbs just win melee) and unless I’m in HR I get one shot by fighters, barbs, and rangers. I’m glad they’re reverting the gear changes a bit, but cmon man. There was no need for the squishy classes to get -15 base hp
Get good. Not sure how you're supposed to do that.... I mean. Even barb patch was fun... Still got cooked by arrows. Melee game but let me throw a fire ball. But i can't pick up a cross bow or loot up an axe I've thrown and buried into your body. Game is shit because of the people running it. I want my 40 dollars back.
@getinstafinished1526 yea I don't wanna hear it from warlocks, litterally a skill issue. Best caster in the game with get out of jail free card and if they need to fight melee they pull out a fucking bardiche lol If you die to fighter it's skill issue.
I’m a top 10 wizard in solos. Barb is my hard counter with my melee build. Since the update, I’ve been skill checking barbarians and killing them 95% of the time. Yeah, I get hit twice I’m dead- sometimes once. But there is plenty of counter play available you just have to know how to play your class. I’m convinced that half the people complaining about the updates were not min-maxing their builds in the first place. Most of the people I come across have random attributes on their gear. My build took a hit with buff duration being taken out of the game. But it does not change the gameplay so drastically that I am going to threaten uninstalling or throw clown emojis at the dev’s discord posts. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the problem isn’t any tweaking the devs are making to the game (because it will be refined over time even if you don’t like it now)- the real problem is the toxic community full of complainers and people who literally throw middle finger emotes at the devs. Uninstall. The game would be better without you.
i don't understand how (as a new player) i'm supposed to understand how to min-max gear if i load into a raid and get 2 shot 1 minute in because everyone just rushes spawns. like i get that you are experienced and know what your doing but you are quite literally a 1-10% of the player base. i just want to play the game and enjoy it, but that's not possible if i can't PLAY the game cause i die off spawn to players that know the ins and outs, while rushing spawns. i'd rather play with a cheese grater bro
you're assuming everyone is a tryhard who bought their kit. what is you're a casual player? or simply enjoy the zero to hero playstyle of collecting your own armour. your being a toxic complainer btw. lmfao just to point that out
@@lemontine7600 this sound like it is mostly due to low ttk and lack of skill based matchmaking, and is not related to the gear refactoring - which is what people seems to overreacting about. I agree with your points though and I believe it will improve over time with updates, like the game is wayyy more new player friendly now than it was one year ago.
I liked the hotfix kinda; my biggest complaint rn is that the gear needs to have more variance in base stats across rarities. The difference of 1 is not enough
I'm not 100% sure what I think yet, but with a bit more tweaking back towards what gear used to be like, it might be interesting if those ancillary stats that got removed from random modifiers could instead be gems that we could intentionally slot in for niche builds and use cases. Then add gem slots related to item rarity on a bunch of the gear. Then the gem slot system becomes something that adds extra stats that aren't offensive or defensive skills, only utility ones. You could find gemstones in raid, and use them on the spot, or save them for later. Let us craft and trade them as well, and you could customize your preferred armors with utility stats.
They really need to just work on having new systems/features to implement at beginning of wipe. Like if they do the gear overhaul, but pair it with a socket system and a subclass system or some other way to meaningfully modify your character then I don't think people would be nearly as pissed as they were
Some other unlisted changes are to High Roller. There is no longer a gear requirement and Goblin Merchant collects all of your gear again. Glad it was reverted.
Ranger is overpowered. That’s coming from a ranger main who only plays ranger. People are dying too fast for my liking. I mean I like it lol at the expense of everyone else not having fun. Ranger was fine. Now it’s not
Bro ran duo rangers last night and we were just gunning people down. I also got hit in the chest by a longbow ranger for 95% of my hp. Not a headshot either. I mean come on devs
They should only do huge changes at the stash wipe/new season. And all updates that are in any way slightly significant should be scheduled and the patch notes should be released before the patch by at least 24 hours.
What do you think is easier? Explaining in detail, ie; a roadmap, what future patches are trying to create in the 'vision'? Or saying you have this vision, doing drastic changes that no one expected or asked for, and then reverting those changes slightly? It just makes me question not only the optics, but if even is a 'vision', or it is just half baked ideas. I've been here since pt 1, and it just feels like we're in this endless loop of "gathering enough data" that they're likely just throwing in the can at this point.
If they are to revert the patch, I hope they buff rogues base stats and increase warlocks base knowledge/mem cap. Bards have +all song and +knowledge perk. Wizards have +10% knowledge perk. Warlock can’t even use hydra in at a base, with only 9 mem cap.
Bard main, although the patches blow, I can say that the direction they want to take with gear is good imo. Mem cap and buff duration are for very specific, mostly meme builds. I'm cool with having a better chance of finding epic or better gear with bis rolls on them. TTK is just too fast to enjoy the gear changes
Yesterday i was playing with 360gs with my duo and a barb/ranger with 4 windlass in squire gear almost won, ranger missed 3 hits hit me on the back (No HS) with the fourth, insta dropped me from 75%hp. The lower ttk feels so bad, it gives less room for us to express our skill. Same game in the castle a duo ranger was waiting behind a door with quickshot got hit only by 2 recurve shots and was left at 5% hp, like wtf.
This is what I'm talking about... Ranger beams me from a mile away. By the time I get there I'm 1 hit. Gets kited around. So they get a million arrows. I can only hold a hand full of axes. Game is shit because of the people running it. Fire them lead dev.
That’s what I was thinking, but this the worst way you can ever release a patch. You don’t make drastic changes in a middle of wipe that directly effects every existing gear and let it sit there for a few days. A proper team would get everything single thing they wanted to change, think it through, test it out, packaged it up, and prep it for the next wipe.
@@Solidofzuljin Which is quite sad. The thing i've complained the most about with Dark and Darker so far isnt that changes are bad in itself. Its that they are very good at doing the changes in a horrible way/ timing.
Looking at the player numbers the damage is done, its still mid season and the player numbers are lower than the last week of season 3. A safe thing for them would be not push it but go back to before patch 69, but since i doubt this is gonna happen the game might join Dungeonbourne in around month or less.
Daggers are back to low dmg, so rogues got -hp, and less dmg. Such a cool to have glasscannon class without cannon. Btw in compare Longsword has +1 dmg , rondel -1 like before patch 😂😅😢
The knee jerk changes are still what stop me from taking this game serious or playing it much at all. How much of this is going to be reverted or partially reverted or replaced with some other power creep change later?
I care about the pickaxe changes 😂 One run when I was having fun with some randoms in solos, I dropped my weapon for a guy. He kept it. I fought my way out of the ice cavern with a pickaxe and cleric spells lol
One shot protection? if you have more then 90% hp and take fatal damage you should stay at 1hp. itll eliminate the frustrations of dying from the windlass and make rogues/ wizards happier too It would be so much less frustrating to survive at least 1 hit right
When they reduce HP and PDR across the board to "lower ttk" and then the next patch they reduce weapon damage it comes across like they have no freaking idea what they are doing. I'm so sick of this constant numbers adjustment that seems to have no thought put it into it. Especially when we have a test server.
All the roles but memory capacity make sense to me. Sure theres tiny little niche builds you can build with those stats but basically nobody does that unless they are memeing or actually making content and none of those builds are actually good. Just truth
Got spawn rushed & killed by a squire warlock, High-Roller US West. I left as he was goin' to interact with my body. Later I received my entire kit back from the goblin. I thought they did away with HR goblin insurance once 69 went live?
i can get that they might think meta shifts based on social perception rather than what's actually good but hidden changes harm new players far far more than veterans. veterans know old stats and can adjust accordingly while someone who might read patch notes and not notice smaller stuff is just at a disadvantage.
I obviously hate the patch like everyone else, but good lord I have been 3 tapping even the tankiest players on rogue. I played HR to grind rank last night & got over 20 kills with only 1 death. So if I can say there’s one measly positive to the patch, it’s that landmine rogue is back baby 😂
Bro sorry to tell ya but barbarian pre this wipe and all the way to play test 1 with rage and reckless attack with epic double axe would one shot wizard, rogue, bard, ranger, slayer fighter and warlock lol and it was like that for a long time. Just saying
Why don't they fix the bunny hopping exploit? That would fix some of the move speed issues. Instead they tweek numbers over and over, making no real significant changes to the game.
Damage too high still making the ttk too low. People seem way more cautious or worried about dying because they can't just roll you over with impunity. Playing self found now feels better now woth the gap squish.
They are simplifying the game. I'm not happy about the modifiers being removed as it allowed for skill expression in building your set but this is what they are doing. They want the casual that gears up from sub 25 lobby to understand and use the modifiers on his equipment as he gears up to go to the over 25 lobby.
Sad that it was so much more balanced and they kind of fricked the whole thing. Best way to rebalance it would be to just redo and scrap the whole 69 update and rollback to how it was before. Even still from now.
halberd fighter is more doable for this lower ttk melee fights, specialy stacking dex for out dpsing barbs for rangers is gg as every one except for usinf pavise
honestly what i think would be huge with the move speed meta is make it so weapons have like no move speed pen. so its not the meta just to fists out and run away for the entire 20min dungeon timer. i think overall it would be a good change because the current iteration of combat fists out and run is just silly and dumb. also we just need more content to balance around and more combat mechanics to balance around. the biggest flaw in the balance i see right now is the lack of mechanics and functions in combat for counter play and skill expression. aka theres nothing to really balance, because theres not enough depth its really a if ur fists out or not type combat. for example would be alot of games balancing movespeed and attack speed all these things was a simple stamina bar.
With the rings/amulets/capes I don't understand why rare is 1 or 2, why not just remove uniques and make them +1,+2,+3,+4? Uncommon/Rare/Epic/Legendary
why is nobody talking about bard getting absolutely slapped in the face by the removal of memory cap. bards can no longer play unchained harmony + the 6 basic songs without building into knowledge which is an extremely bad stat for bard. They force bards to equip knowledge rings or pendant or run trash gear like feathered hat.
@@showtime4397 3 self buffs, shriek, Rousing, Harmonic shield makes 14 memory cap. Then you take unchained harmony which gets you 4 points over the cap. Idk what Songs you running but those that i listed are standard
@@Isa77654 just learn to use ur intruments in the right order, you get +2 from the song played by drums . And i hope ur not complaining about bard beeing too weak otherwise just ........
@showtime4397 XD lil bro i am top 50 bard im telling you that its not possible to run all 5 basic Songs + shield and unchained. Its a FACT not because I have the wrong Song order you fuckin clown XDXD
@@showtime4397 im telling you its not the Song order you absolute idiot. Im top 50 bard i know what im talking about. Stop yapping about Song order.
Both Buff Duration & Mem Capacity were crucial for Druid to be able to run better heals & wear Str & Agi gear NEEDED to make it playable. This stupid patch makes it so that you either sacrifice physical damage output to have all your spells, or sacrifice spells to get damage. Damage that still doesn't matter because every single Druid form either hits for too little damage or hits too slow for damage to matter, decreasing DPS. Even bear can be one-tapped by barbs on the head now. Panther is 1-2 tap by every weapon in the game except MAYBE daggers, assuming they're not poisoned. Absolute garbage patch. Bricked Druid as a class completely.
barbarians are so fucking broken I had a plate longsword fighter, poked head on first hit, dodged enemy first attack, enemy attack again and I parried, got two parry hits but he still wins after bonking me. Or if I get hit first with achilles heel, it's GG I take damage when I move, I am slowed and that barb will just one/two tap me.
Sorry to say, but you play LS fighter which is the most brainless melee playstyle in the game and I have no sympathy for you. Also, I'm glad theirs not as many LS users atm it was getting boring killing half the lobby and all of them being LS players.
Until they revert the health and barbarian changes I won't be playing again. The game just isn't fun when everyone is 1 hit. This isn't Swat from Halo dude, we don't respawn and get back in immediately. We lose a run entirely when we die including whatever gear investment we had into it. Why should we invest into gear just to still feel weak?
Sdf said a few hours ago: 'I can't pursue what I want while ignoring player's grief.' Looks like we're getting some sort of revert at least, there is hope
Why did ironmace release frostlight and make all these awesome artifacts, just to make them COMPLETELY useless😂 ive been an IM defender for so long but this patch has ruined any motivation i had to play…
Got about 3 mins into the video, and I just could not possibly care less. If all they wanted to do was shift numbers around every patch, they could've just been accountants instead of wasting thousands of people's time and money.
idk if this is just a thing that's happening to me but I've noticed that rouges 1 tap landmine has made a return to the game... THAT 1 tap landmine... and every time I look they are wearing nothing but squire gear
It's amazing how IM never bothers making a proper patchnote and players should always peek at the game files to understand what exactly changed.
They are under alot of stress from constantly being clowned on, I’m sure sdf is running on fumes at this point and probadly can’t think properly (would make sense with his patches/logic lmao)
@@devinland5160 lack of communication is not something new
@@devinland5160 Understandble reason, but honestly a bad excuse. It brings alot of confusion and I know multiple people are complaining about things that arent even the way they are, because well. They dont know certain things changed.
@@devinland5160 if they weren't clowns they wouldn't get clowned on.
@@devinland5160 being under alot of stress made sense for the first 6 months of this company. they have been floundering for years at this point.
The BIGGEST problem is that they cannot properly articulate their "plan". Players are just having to find out the hard way and suffer through these different weeks of mass change ane confusion. If they were more effective at communicating, there would be a lot less backlash, that coupled with not putting in such impactful changes piecemeal and mid-wipe.
sdf doesnt have a set plan. he gets influenced by the loudest whiners on reddit and dc. for example the ones that have been crying for 2 years straight about gear.
SDF's vision is to confuse and anger the player base.
@@skunkybudtoker9092 the player base is always angry. they will die to something stupid due to themselves playing bad and complain. literally no change also anger the player base. im glad sdf made these change so new player will come because the old players on discord are mostly just toxic babies.
pretty sure they were trying to get ready for the gem socketing system, and making higher tier gear more customizable with enchantments instead of just being for stat checking, but they decided to trickle out the updates with a community that has a melt down without any thought over every little change instead of having it all ready in one go for some reason.
It is also worth note that for 2 handed weapons 6 rolls effectively being 5 since 2 are HP rolls that cannot roll together
They are garbage dude. I'm tired of the b.s too. Get good they say... How the f can u do that when it changes constantly. Still have the issue of being beamed by arrows and run down by shooting classes. Still a shit game
@gladlawson61 it is annoying but just have to adapt and keep moving. Take a break with another game for a bit until it stabilizes out a little if you are bothered that much. I think it's nice sometimes since you consistently get better rolls on gear instead but overall the patches are still an L
There is improvement coming but the game is so unstable right now that it's hard to even try to grind anything that's not AP tbh
tbh i am not against any patch in specific i am against the endless balance loop we have been in for a lot of time all i need is new maps , new enemies , new loot and maybe new classes idc if barb gets nerfed so he can 2 shot instead of 3 shot i am really tired of changes
new maps are not needed when there are fundamental flaws in the game that need to be fixed
none of those things are needed at all. there are already so many classes, a good amount of maps and enemies, and plenty of loot.
what the game needs is an entire combat overhaul. it needs actual skill expression in the game, and rewarding combat. at the moment, the combat is either getting killed in under a second, or it's just a kiting simulator, neither of which is engaging.
DaD's biggest weakness is its combat system, or rather entire lack of a combat system
@@xxephon your so wrong the original poster is correct. they will never have a class based game balanced. Its never been done and never will be done. Wows pvp has never been balanced. BG3 classes arent balanced. League of legends isnt balanced. Apex legends isnt balanced.
To be fair, no need for there to be new loot when looting is pointless
I agree with new maps, that or at-least making the ones we have more random.
Nexon really might’ve paid SDF to sabotage this game.
Let's fund raise and remind them we have their back! It's likely quality drop means they need money and are stressed
that's how it's been for the last year, just sdf walking circles with no idea what to do
@@jimz1024🤡
@@jimz1024 the quality doesn’t jump down because they don’t have any money. It’s because they don’t know what the community wants
No we paid sdf and he stopped caring about the game ever since he got paid😭
Could just keep mem cap on instruments and caster weapons
find it strange they'd leave phy healing and projectile dmg reduction but scrap mem cap and buff duration. i find my self using these enchantments very often where as a phy healing is useless unless you're an ale bard. projectile dmg reduction has never been a relevant stat.
I use a lot of bandages as rogue... I dont wanna have to buy a bunch of uncommon or rare bandages. Leave my +2 and +3 physical healing stuff alone!
As a bard these changes hurt
Yea buff duration should have stayed.
@@Warffles pointless to build on rogue every stat you can get should be dedicated to burst dmg potential. You can meme all you want though
@@zacharysibley3759it’s obvious that he uses them as secondary roles 😂 you acting like he’s stacking it to make the ultimatum bandage build 😂😂😂
I think the enchantment squish paired with reintroduction of some form of guaranteed base scaling is actually good. A full bis legendary set at this point is still significantly stronger than a full squire kit, but the gap is much much smaller than pre patch 69. Also even though there are some niche situations where players would want to have buff duration or mem cap, I think the majority cases they would be considered dead rolls. With all rarities of gear giving 5 base, its very achievable to get enough mem cap anyways. Pre 69 some items saw almost no popularity, like radiant cloaks, wisdom rings, or owl pendants. People are so used to being able to just get every stat they want that they dont want to sacrifice anything. Now maybe you have to pick up a radiant cloak or wisdom ring instead of that grimsmile that you wanted to use, you actually have to consider your build, you can't just get max everything. The removal of these rolls is in a majority maybe as much as 90% of cases an improvement, which in turn makes rarities better constitute an upgrade since dead rolls are much rarer.
I just hope that all the people downvoting the game on steam does not end up killing the game. If the game dies, there is no certainty that any other company are going to be willing to pick up the ball. Dark and darker is a niche game that is aimed at a narrow population. It's not very attractive to recreate a similar game especially considering the insane backlash any change over a small amount of time has produced. Who wants to develop a game for a niche crowd knowing that by one miststep you end up having your customers turn on you. If the game dies we might not see a similar game in a long time if ever. The game was born out of love and not greed. Not many developers are willing to put their livelyhood on the line to create something unique and interesting. Triple A companies thinks about profit first and the actual product second. That is the reason we see so many cookie cutter games that blend in with all the others.
Your comment hits home with how I feel. The only thing I would add in order to make everyone happy is flesh out AR and MR on gear just a little more, maybe 3 points more per rarity and then add 1 more base stat points per rarity back to head/body/legs/hands/feet only. That way main gear feels good when you find a legendary or epic compared to what you start with. Then maybe just start fixing abilitys that are never used.
Half way thru this video realized I couldn't careless when the difference between 0 gear an BEST GEAR EVER is one more hit.
It's always been like that
As a warlock main that started on steam release, I’ve never had less fun. Torture mastery is my only viable build (because barbs just win melee) and unless I’m in HR I get one shot by fighters, barbs, and rangers. I’m glad they’re reverting the gear changes a bit, but cmon man. There was no need for the squishy classes to get -15 base hp
Get good. Not sure how you're supposed to do that.... I mean. Even barb patch was fun... Still got cooked by arrows. Melee game but let me throw a fire ball. But i can't pick up a cross bow or loot up an axe I've thrown and buried into your body. Game is shit because of the people running it. I want my 40 dollars back.
@ on god if I get chased at 330 move speed and get one tapped by a bardiche again I’m gonna lose it
@@gladlawson61 I can tell you're very intelligent
I use boc warlock and I do just fine in melee 😂 y’all just don’t adapt or learn for shit
@getinstafinished1526 yea I don't wanna hear it from warlocks, litterally a skill issue. Best caster in the game with get out of jail free card and if they need to fight melee they pull out a fucking bardiche lol
If you die to fighter it's skill issue.
IM’s #1 problem and you can’t tell me otherwise is moving 1 step forward just to go 3 steps back… they don’t keep the good and rid the bad.
I’m a top 10 wizard in solos. Barb is my hard counter with my melee build. Since the update, I’ve been skill checking barbarians and killing them 95% of the time. Yeah, I get hit twice I’m dead- sometimes once. But there is plenty of counter play available you just have to know how to play your class.
I’m convinced that half the people complaining about the updates were not min-maxing their builds in the first place. Most of the people I come across have random attributes on their gear.
My build took a hit with buff duration being taken out of the game. But it does not change the gameplay so drastically that I am going to threaten uninstalling or throw clown emojis at the dev’s discord posts.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the problem isn’t any tweaking the devs are making to the game (because it will be refined over time even if you don’t like it now)- the real problem is the toxic community full of complainers and people who literally throw middle finger emotes at the devs. Uninstall. The game would be better without you.
Yeah you're a dumbass
🔝Facts
i don't understand how (as a new player) i'm supposed to understand how to min-max gear if i load into a raid and get 2 shot 1 minute in because everyone just rushes spawns. like i get that you are experienced and know what your doing but you are quite literally a 1-10% of the player base. i just want to play the game and enjoy it, but that's not possible if i can't PLAY the game cause i die off spawn to players that know the ins and outs, while rushing spawns. i'd rather play with a cheese grater bro
you're assuming everyone is a tryhard who bought their kit. what is you're a casual player? or simply enjoy the zero to hero playstyle of collecting your own armour. your being a toxic complainer btw. lmfao just to point that out
@@lemontine7600 this sound like it is mostly due to low ttk and lack of skill based matchmaking, and is not related to the gear refactoring - which is what people seems to overreacting about. I agree with your points though and I believe it will improve over time with updates, like the game is wayyy more new player friendly now than it was one year ago.
Ttk X2, game would be 2x times as fun.
I liked the hotfix kinda; my biggest complaint rn is that the gear needs to have more variance in base stats across rarities. The difference of 1 is not enough
So basically patch 68 yeah
Buff duration was used with the life after death axe. It gave you longer invincibility after dying
I'm not 100% sure what I think yet, but with a bit more tweaking back towards what gear used to be like, it might be interesting if those ancillary stats that got removed from random modifiers could instead be gems that we could intentionally slot in for niche builds and use cases. Then add gem slots related to item rarity on a bunch of the gear.
Then the gem slot system becomes something that adds extra stats that aren't offensive or defensive skills, only utility ones. You could find gemstones in raid, and use them on the spot, or save them for later. Let us craft and trade them as well, and you could customize your preferred armors with utility stats.
They need to take buff duration, memcap etc and make it baked-in to items. Like an extra base stat.
They really need to just work on having new systems/features to implement at beginning of wipe. Like if they do the gear overhaul, but pair it with a socket system and a subclass system or some other way to meaningfully modify your character then I don't think people would be nearly as pissed as they were
Some other unlisted changes are to High Roller. There is no longer a gear requirement and Goblin Merchant collects all of your gear again. Glad it was reverted.
Ranger is overpowered. That’s coming from a ranger main who only plays ranger. People are dying too fast for my liking. I mean I like it lol at the expense of everyone else not having fun. Ranger was fine. Now it’s not
Melee game. But let's make everything shoot except one class.
@@gladlawson612 classes. Don't forget Cleric.
Bro ran duo rangers last night and we were just gunning people down. I also got hit in the chest by a longbow ranger for 95% of my hp. Not a headshot either. I mean come on devs
They should only do huge changes at the stash wipe/new season. And all updates that are in any way slightly significant should be scheduled and the patch notes should be released before the patch by at least 24 hours.
I dislike facing a bardeche, at least with a long sword they have to perry
What do you think is easier? Explaining in detail, ie; a roadmap, what future patches are trying to create in the 'vision'? Or saying you have this vision, doing drastic changes that no one expected or asked for, and then reverting those changes slightly? It just makes me question not only the optics, but if even is a 'vision', or it is just half baked ideas. I've been here since pt 1, and it just feels like we're in this endless loop of "gathering enough data" that they're likely just throwing in the can at this point.
Buff duration and regular interaction speed were key to pickpocket rogue, so now my 2 pages of pickpocket rogue gear is worthless.. hurray...
If they are to revert the patch, I hope they buff rogues base stats and increase warlocks base knowledge/mem cap.
Bards have +all song and +knowledge perk.
Wizards have +10% knowledge perk.
Warlock can’t even use hydra in at a base, with only 9 mem cap.
Bard main, although the patches blow, I can say that the direction they want to take with gear is good imo. Mem cap and buff duration are for very specific, mostly meme builds. I'm cool with having a better chance of finding epic or better gear with bis rolls on them. TTK is just too fast to enjoy the gear changes
Mem cap and buff duration are FAR from meme build stats, for classes like Druid men cap is a necessity. Same goes for warlock and buff duration
Buff duration should not have been removed, it should have been greatly buffed to make it tempting
Yesterday i was playing with 360gs with my duo and a barb/ranger with 4 windlass in squire gear almost won, ranger missed 3 hits hit me on the back (No HS) with the fourth, insta dropped me from 75%hp. The lower ttk feels so bad, it gives less room for us to express our skill. Same game in the castle a duo ranger was waiting behind a door with quickshot got hit only by 2 recurve shots and was left at 5% hp, like wtf.
This is what I'm talking about... Ranger beams me from a mile away. By the time I get there I'm 1 hit. Gets kited around. So they get a million arrows. I can only hold a hand full of axes. Game is shit because of the people running it. Fire them lead dev.
Spellbooks with no memcap...
once they see that they had lost over half of thier players they will revert the patch
Sdf already posted admitting that loot is bad now
They flip flop harder than Donald Trump
@@XnathOWhe should be fired.
@@gladlawson61TDS. Love to hear a single example of your claim 😂
Don't knock the pickaxe. I watched a dude run in with a pickaxe blasting music and he killed a trio
the 5 agi was a visual bug. it was only giving 2
Am i the only one who thinks that they wrecked gear just so they can introduce their socket system and no one complains about it since this is so bad?
That’s what I was thinking, but this the worst way you can ever release a patch.
You don’t make drastic changes in a middle of wipe that directly effects every existing gear and let it sit there for a few days.
A proper team would get everything single thing they wanted to change, think it through, test it out, packaged it up, and prep it for the next wipe.
@@hubianhubhub6397 they basically do this to some extent every season. :/
@@Solidofzuljin Which is quite sad. The thing i've complained the most about with Dark and Darker so far isnt that changes are bad in itself. Its that they are very good at doing the changes in a horrible way/ timing.
Looking at the player numbers the damage is done, its still mid season and the player numbers are lower than the last week of season 3. A safe thing for them would be not push it but go back to before patch 69, but since i doubt this is gonna happen the game might join Dungeonbourne in around month or less.
Daggers are back to low dmg, so rogues got -hp, and less dmg. Such a cool to have glasscannon class without cannon.
Btw in compare Longsword has +1 dmg , rondel -1 like before patch 😂😅😢
The knee jerk changes are still what stop me from taking this game serious or playing it much at all. How much of this is going to be reverted or partially reverted or replaced with some other power creep change later?
Buff duration was not a stat that they should have removed... maybe additional mem cap and debuff but not buff
Why do they feel the need to hide these changes? The wiki doesn’t even document change history so there’s nowhere to archive this stuff
I care about the pickaxe changes 😂
One run when I was having fun with some randoms in solos, I dropped my weapon for a guy. He kept it.
I fought my way out of the ice cavern with a pickaxe and cleric spells lol
One shot protection? if you have more then 90% hp and take fatal damage you should stay at 1hp. itll eliminate the frustrations of dying from the windlass and make rogues/ wizards happier too
It would be so much less frustrating to survive at least 1 hit right
When they reduce HP and PDR across the board to "lower ttk" and then the next patch they reduce weapon damage it comes across like they have no freaking idea what they are doing. I'm so sick of this constant numbers adjustment that seems to have no thought put it into it. Especially when we have a test server.
“why don’t they put stuff on the test server that nobody plays on” lmao
All the roles but memory capacity make sense to me. Sure theres tiny little niche builds you can build with those stats but basically nobody does that unless they are memeing or actually making content and none of those builds are actually good. Just truth
I think debuff and buff is fine removing - I do miss mem capacity 😢
Got spawn rushed & killed by a squire warlock, High-Roller US West. I left as he was goin' to interact with my body. Later I received my entire kit back from the goblin.
I thought they did away with HR goblin insurance once 69 went live?
They returned it.
I suddenly want one peg merch😵💫
Hate the hidden changes, who actually wants that?
i can get that they might think meta shifts based on social perception rather than what's actually good but hidden changes harm new players far far more than veterans. veterans know old stats and can adjust accordingly while someone who might read patch notes and not notice smaller stuff is just at a disadvantage.
I obviously hate the patch like everyone else, but good lord I have been 3 tapping even the tankiest players on rogue. I played HR to grind rank last night & got over 20 kills with only 1 death.
So if I can say there’s one measly positive to the patch, it’s that landmine rogue is back baby 😂
if i die in one hit from anything i will quit forever
Bro sorry to tell ya but barbarian pre this wipe and all the way to play test 1 with rage and reckless attack with epic double axe would one shot wizard, rogue, bard, ranger, slayer fighter and warlock lol and it was like that for a long time. Just saying
you know what removing those stats doesnt hurt? all of us who dont want to spend 3k gold on a 2 stat purple, good change.
Why don't they fix the bunny hopping exploit? That would fix some of the move speed issues. Instead they tweek numbers over and over, making no real significant changes to the game.
Im loving Barb and Ranger. Its my favorite game. Still can get absolutely tapped by ranger longbow
well i cant play my 10 spell cleric anymore appearently, thx ironmace
maybe -30 health for wizard would be better because -15 is enough for certain mobs to one shot you. I'd rather be one shotted by everything instead
Damage too high still making the ttk too low. People seem way more cautious or worried about dying because they can't just roll you over with impunity. Playing self found now feels better now woth the gap squish.
Couldn't they just revert it to the old OLD patch with weird scaling? (when shadow masks had +1 all on them, with adjustments to make it fit in more?)
So stacking poison on rogue makes your weapon almost automatically a unique
did... did they remove... my beautiful reg interaction speed purple lyres???
DID THEY... THEY REMOVE-
These last few patches have been a wild ride 😂
why did they start shooting themselves in the leg instead of implementing new stuff
They are simplifying the game. I'm not happy about the modifiers being removed as it allowed for skill expression in building your set but this is what they are doing. They want the casual that gears up from sub 25 lobby to understand and use the modifiers on his equipment as he gears up to go to the over 25 lobby.
You can't figure it out if they keep changing it.
@@gladlawson61 Agree 100%. The patches cause too much instability and that is bad for all players, new and old. They have to be more careful.
Sad that it was so much more balanced and they kind of fricked the whole thing. Best way to rebalance it would be to just redo and scrap the whole 69 update and rollback to how it was before. Even still from now.
halberd fighter is more doable for this lower ttk melee fights, specialy stacking dex for out dpsing barbs for rangers is gg as every one except for usinf pavise
Awh man I liked buff duration stacking on wiz! :(
Frostlight was always 3 agi 1 movespeed. It was never 4 or 5 agi
honestly what i think would be huge with the move speed meta is make it so weapons have like no move speed pen. so its not the meta just to fists out and run away for the entire 20min dungeon timer. i think overall it would be a good change because the current iteration of combat fists out and run is just silly and dumb. also we just need more content to balance around and more combat mechanics to balance around. the biggest flaw in the balance i see right now is the lack of mechanics and functions in combat for counter play and skill expression. aka theres nothing to really balance, because theres not enough depth its really a if ur fists out or not type combat. for example would be alot of games balancing movespeed and attack speed all these things was a simple stamina bar.
Don't cook ever again
@@dylancrosby2451 im gonna just assume you havent looked at software past the menu.
@@yeeter7090 im just gonna assume you don't understand that your ideas suck.
Everyone crying about the devs because it’s what they like doing, the devs are fine
Wiz feels so squishy now. feelsbad
With the rings/amulets/capes I don't understand why rare is 1 or 2, why not just remove uniques and make them +1,+2,+3,+4? Uncommon/Rare/Epic/Legendary
Thumbnail 10/10 bro😂
why is nobody talking about bard getting absolutely slapped in the face by the removal of memory cap. bards can no longer play unchained harmony + the 6 basic songs without building into knowledge which is an extremely bad stat for bard. They force bards to equip knowledge rings or pendant or run trash gear like feathered hat.
this is just false, just equip your songs in the right order mat , in squire gear i hit 7-8 songs.
@@showtime4397 3 self buffs, shriek, Rousing, Harmonic shield makes 14 memory cap. Then you take unchained harmony which gets you 4 points over the cap. Idk what Songs you running but those that i listed are standard
@@Isa77654 just learn to use ur intruments in the right order, you get +2 from the song played by drums . And i hope ur not complaining about bard beeing too weak otherwise just ........
@showtime4397 XD lil bro i am top 50 bard im telling you that its not possible to run all 5 basic Songs + shield and unchained. Its a FACT not because I have the wrong Song order you fuckin clown XDXD
@@showtime4397 im telling you its not the Song order you absolute idiot. Im top 50 bard i know what im talking about. Stop yapping about Song order.
Both Buff Duration & Mem Capacity were crucial for Druid to be able to run better heals & wear Str & Agi gear NEEDED to make it playable.
This stupid patch makes it so that you either sacrifice physical damage output to have all your spells, or sacrifice spells to get damage.
Damage that still doesn't matter because every single Druid form either hits for too little damage or hits too slow for damage to matter, decreasing DPS.
Even bear can be one-tapped by barbs on the head now.
Panther is 1-2 tap by every weapon in the game except MAYBE daggers, assuming they're not poisoned.
Absolute garbage patch. Bricked Druid as a class completely.
barbarians are so fucking broken I had a plate longsword fighter, poked head on first hit, dodged enemy first attack, enemy attack again and I parried, got two parry hits but he still wins after bonking me. Or if I get hit first with achilles heel, it's GG I take damage when I move, I am slowed and that barb will just one/two tap me.
Sorry to say, but you play LS fighter which is the most brainless melee playstyle in the game and I have no sympathy for you. Also, I'm glad theirs not as many LS users atm it was getting boring killing half the lobby and all of them being LS players.
Does anyone know the total player count they have lost since the beginning of the wipe?
Until they revert the health and barbarian changes I won't be playing again. The game just isn't fun when everyone is 1 hit. This isn't Swat from Halo dude, we don't respawn and get back in immediately. We lose a run entirely when we die including whatever gear investment we had into it. Why should we invest into gear just to still feel weak?
Sdf said a few hours ago: 'I can't pursue what I want while ignoring player's grief.'
Looks like we're getting some sort of revert at least, there is hope
It will be another pointless number tweak in a pile of pointless number tweaks
@@ossi4476 he said he doesnt enjoy looting things in the dungeon. so i believe we will get our modifiers back and rolls
Chain lightning is also nerfed
the best game i havent played in months
They fucked up my buff duration build how am i supposed to you brewmaster now. 15 seconds is bullshit
My mate had a 60% debuff zirkzi its now gone rip
game is a meme, that patch 69 killed all the fun
I hope we get new content one day
2:01 made me scroll up
Why did ironmace release frostlight and make all these awesome artifacts, just to make them COMPLETELY useless😂 ive been an IM defender for so long but this patch has ruined any motivation i had to play…
Got about 3 mins into the video, and I just could not possibly care less. If all they wanted to do was shift numbers around every patch, they could've just been accountants instead of wasting thousands of people's time and money.
sdf is going to run this game down till there's none of us left.
DUCK SHIRT???? I NEED IT
nvm... shipping is the same price as shirt :(
have u seen sdfs new post in genaral seems like he might revert
So now... They flip flop and they don't tell us what's really changed. Like come on ... Wtf is this company.
Nexon is about to drop the case. They're ruining their own game lol.
as a druid i need mem wtf where they thinking
idk why they are wasting time working on this late aprill fools update? sdf it was funny we can have a roll back now 🙂
Until they fix the time to kill the game is dead to me. Getting 1-2 tapped doesn't allow for skill expression, or fun.
Do we talk about blue magic book dmg? :D
Bt11 MirageGaogamon hands down git it out of here!
Gear socketing when?
Why is SDF trying to kill this game?
amazing thumbnail😂
i bet cleanse still doesnt work
Who knows maybe after 20 patches of doing nothing they might be able to do something 😪🤣
idk if this is just a thing that's happening to me but I've noticed that rouges 1 tap landmine has made a return to the game... THAT 1 tap landmine... and every time I look they are wearing nothing but squire gear