Conscience and the Depths of the Soul
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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John is perhaps the single greatest guest Peterson has ever had. Not only because of who John is intellectually but also his virtue and character. He represents an important underlying force that Jordan has been grappling with his career and balances him in many ways both intellectually and virtuously.
I really appreciate him. I’ve watched all the maps of meaning, personality, Biblical series and I can understand Peterson a lot better than John. But I am starting to understand him more and more. He takes more time for me to grasp. I love learning about consciousness and how we see the world. It’s all extremely interesting and I’m learning why someone else sees things very differently than myself.
Agreed. 👍✨
Nah
Outstanding remarkable conversation about truth, morality, and meaning. ✝️🕊🙏❤️💯
The ideas at the end about dialogue with a conscience that can err resonates with me a lot. For many years I was a slave to that small voice -- compulsive thoughts etc otherwise would be overcome by guilt. Then I said to heck with that and for years I tried to just ignore that voice. Turns out that doesn't work very well either, bc the guilt is pretty hard to suppress. Finally I'm realizing that there is more than one voice that speaks to you -- an angel and a devil you might say (though it's probably not that simple) -- and the best course of action is to GIVE THE VOICE A FAIR HEARING. Hear what it tells you to do/not to do, articulate that explicitly, then ask WHY it wants you to do that, ask yourself whether you really believe that voice is reasonable, ask yourself if you just want to avoid it bc it's asking difficult and inconvenient things of you, and then make your decision. I'm starting to thing that the conscience is not only the voice that whispers to you but also the faculty for hearing out and judging the validity of that voice's claims. Also recognize the need to form your conscience well (the Catholic Church emphasizes this point in the catechism I believe), according to what is true, good, beautiful, loving etc (in other words according to God's law).
This is perhaps the best suit that I see Jordan wear. its always looks phenomenal when he wears it.
It is. It was smokin’ when he had that poppy pin on at Oxford. 😆
Trousers don't fit.
Dr JP always looks great, I love the asymetric/patchwork type suits he wears, and whoever chooses his ties has a flair for it: he looks every bit the eccentric professor and maverick that he is. Ironically, to be eccentric, all he has to do is speak common sense: that's how rare it is these days. Common sense, critical thinking and sooooooo much knowledge.
@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M I think they do actually. It looks like its more of a classical fit or sort of more relaxed, which I think makes them look even nicer.
How I delighted in this dance of philosophy: learning from two brilliant minds is overwhelmingly satisfying. Thank you so much ❤
Ikr? 😊
Yes!
...professor Jordan had serious life chalenges in his family,...only with their Love and Faith in God ...they have survived....❤️🙏🏻🌹...
I am so happy you are talking to John again, dearest Dr. Peterson, what a delight.
I love John, quite an amazing thinker
JP is always a joy to listen to. The was host was also fun to listen to as well.❤
I've said it before and I'll say it again. GOD so loved the world,so GOD gave these generations Dr. JBP, a good and honest man to speak truth into the sea of lies. GOD bless Dr Jordan B Peterson.
Truly fascinating ❤
Great discussion ❤
Very quick but deep conversation. I think the key question from this meeting of minds is "who has/sets the ultimate standard?" I believe it to be YHWH as truth and love is his character.
"It is through me that Gnosis comes forth. I dwell in the ineffable and unknowable ones. I am perception and knowledge, uttering a Voice by means of thought. I am the real Voice." --Sophia in The Trimorphic Protennoia (NHL)
I am reading the Gnostic Gospels and your quote just lit a little spark in me. Thank you…we all are Devine Light and infinite possibility….
Love listening to these two!
John plays a greater role amongst all the others apostles ❤.
Great Conversation, Enjoyed this Very much...Dr. JP...
the sheer silence of that which is calling 6.31. a very good stretch of discussion..also do not idolize.. also at times try to enter into a conversation with your won self
Jordan, time to trust Jesus !
Vervaeke is the greatest mind in the West nowdays!
I just got back into watching John's work. I couldn't figure out why, but I think it was his work on the neuroscience of perception conjoined with Stephen Meyer's work on proving neo-darwinism to be a combinatorial explosion.
Any input of specified complexity implies a necessary intercession of an active intelligence.
The Lord Jesus refers to himself as The Door. Sometimes I feel that some of the conversations dance outside if not at the footsteps of The Door. The key to The Door is Faith. I took that step in 1994 afraid like walking into an empty space. It is the most exciting life to enter in rather than making noise outside.
Bravo! Bravo!! Bravo!!!
I tend to get lost playing “happily ever after”, before ever really playing “getting to know you.”
(The troubling part is, I think..it’s no accident.)
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We’re gonna need a bigger Moses.
This is something about the inferno from an esotheric perspective, I highly recommend reading it
Two great minds.
"Do you think there's any difference between The Valid Voice of Conscience and The Voice of Ineffable...If the Ineffable is is the foundation and if the Conscience is a sign of transgression against it, then those things should be related."
Personally, when I looked Genesis 2:7, I see that God breathed by his own spirit to the human He formed. So, while breathing His own same spirit to the man, I believe that the Conscience of God somehow transmitted to the human he has formed, it might not be the whole Conscience of but but, some of it. And such Conscience may also include anything that's transmitted to the human, maybe intelligence, consciousness, knowledge, wisdom, personality per se. That's why when we look at the kid's who have not being taught of good and evil, as if they have that inborn feeling to determine what's good and evil are that's based on their instinct or sensory judgment by themselves, which are not taught. So, coming back to the above statement, that is why we see the Ineffable Conscience is against the human conscience when it goes wrong. But my hypothesis here requires another bilateral view/debate on the other hand that is while God breathe His spirit to the human, somehow that evil Conscience also may goes along to the human. So the question here: Does God know evil? Do human also can recieve some spiritual knowledge based on the transmission of same spirit from God? Let's talk about this.
Doubt can be conscious or a unconscious thought. To question is to doubt into mysteries and one shouldn't fear it. Unconscious doubt is a suppression of thought by fear. Many times instilled by conformity or by people who abuse power over us.
Mr Jordan if you want some answers you should interview people who had a death experience and were revived and talk about their story!!
Sir Jordan, I have a suggestion to make. I was wondering if you can invite Dr John MacArthur From Baptist Church to have a discussion about theology.?
Once you accept god in your heart, and stop doing the things you were doing. How do you come to peace with what you lost? I feel like everything I did wrong is lost now, and now I don't know what to do when I'm by myself does anyone have advice?
I think I know what you are feeling. I had to give up some things on my journey in being a more righteous man, or at least a less wicked one. It can feel like losing a dear friend. Similar to the Israelites being freed from Egypt; they still had to wander the desert. My advice would be to give it time and focus on starting some positive habits (reading, exercise, prayer, etc.) After a while, those old things and the attachment to them will fade away and you will be filled with the new.
It makes me think of what Jesus said in Matthew 12:43-45. He said that when an evil spirit leaves, he will come back to check if the house is empty. The house here represents your mind. Now that you have accepted God rejected the evil spirit, focus on filling your house with God's spirit, through prayer, Bible reading, and associating with other Christians. Then when the evil spirit wants to come and you're tempted to do bad things again, your house will be too full.
everything you did wrong now is the past, gone..you have now and are not guaranteed a future...use the present to be positive, compassionate, giving of yourself..peace only comes from a clear conscience..one day at a time sweet Jesus
@@mitchelltj1 Yes, this is what I meant Sir. Thank you for your explanation the Israelite's metaphor summed up my feelings. Thank you everyone else for the responses
Pray
I find it interesting to listen,regarding Jonah,before he could preach to others about repentance,first he had to repent,other wise it would have no power.on the topic of our conscience,unless it’s controlled by God’s spirit,it’s only human
Someone who understands
Beautiful clip
Jordan please read the Divine Conspiracy
Very comprehensive and inspiring
The audacity of gods giving me synchronicity in the calling of 916 life is wild
This will be a great listen to wrestle with God
@@TradeFx.... Thank you, same to you my friend. I have listened to this one 3 times. It's quite good.
The veil is torn!
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As a child growing up in a wonderful christian family I questioned what was true in Christianity. It did not take long for me to conclude that on the surface there was a lot of the stories I was being told and taught. So, I came to the conundrum! If it is not true then what do I do? Through it out? Reject it? Well, I went through it. And it took years of questioning what made sense to me? I came to accept that the things I was taught are full of truth and a much deeper truth than what is on the surface of the stories. Born again took on a much more complex and psychological reality. This conversation resonates with my realizations 60 years ago.
i wish Jordan would let John speak..! don't constantly interrupt to make a point..! John's got so much to offer on a question, let him answer it fully without stopping him and have him lose his point. we are the poorer for your doing that.
I find these conversations interesting even though I don't understand a huge chunk of what they are talking about 😅😅😅
Great comment.
Jonah runs I did too not that I'm capable of doing the prophet anyway yet 40 years later I'm getting there
When should one act or reflect?
Dangg this makes me wanna read dantes inferno now
Jordan: "The Bible is 'true' by convergence into truth. It shows itself to be 'true' by being endlessley robust in every dimension"
God: "The Bible is true because I inspired it to talk to you."
The Bible doesn't talk. It's a book/ sacred text that people read
@@matthewskinner6626 you took that way too literally.
The two statements are the same, and that is his point.
People forgot all the things that weren't relevant in the story a long time ago.
You took it not literally enough.@@captaindanger13
Job 12:4. When you tell me that you love me?! Bituing walang ningning. Psalms 144:9. Matthew 6:9-11. Amos 8:11. Hebreo
Oh, awesome. im looking forward to this ! ❤
Like two very intelligent children playing in the sandbox of ideas. Truth is not rightly correlated data it is a person the logos that pre-existed all that we know and can only be united with sacramentally and liturgically not through post-Renaissance rationalistic humanism.
Farmer Pete.
Ty
I used to have a hard time admitting that the Bible needed interpretation, but the first few chapters have want for such.
Idle, and alone couples, without even having laundry to do and fold, don’t really eat fruit and hide their yonder with shame. But, the message this story gives, perfectly explains why we don’t have a ‘sin’ that presents the average person more shame and guilt.
Unfortunately, many feast because of what people end up carrying, filling the coffers by heaping other guilts and shame.
Interview Leemon McHenry? He has some "hot takes" as regards pharmacy corruption or the similar...haven't read, but he is also a process philosopher who wrote a comparative analysis of Whitehead and Bradley, and a book called The Event Universe also based mostly on Whiteheadian creative/process cosmology.
Christ saves us
Dialectics is a complete waste of time. It's Hegelian nonsense. You won't find meaning this way. It's just for academics who have too much free time and don't suffer enough (or don't see others suffer enough) to see their own solipsism.
The translation was poor and changed by the religions today. They make assumptions and give words meaning without really knowing them. This is why they call the devil Lord and so on. Jesus was right in telling them that their was father was the devil because they sacrifice souls.
Their vocabulary is beyond me most of the video
I'm wondering what world would look like if same amount of time and passion was dedicated to discussing topics of workplace ethics and relationships. All this bible stuff is cool and all, we definitely respect history and how christian religious institutions gave birth to modern educational institutions and science, but BS that people have to deal with on day-to-day basis in their workplaces seems like a more potent topic.
I remember that comment that Richard Dawkins made in one of the interviews with Jordan, saying bluntly: "you're drunk on metaphors".
That was on-spot! Metaphors should make things simpler to grasp, not the other way around, otherwise you're just showing off building another semantic maze to ratify packs of innocent students. I'm curious, how far one should push speech choreography so that the whole thing turns into noise?
You make a very valid point at the end of your post. Being a fan of Jordan Peterson’s myself, I’ve enjoyed watching his journey progress from his psychological analysis of Genesis, etc. to his wrestling with his understanding of the Gospel and its message, but I too think that he, in his desiring to analyze it so scientifically, is missing the real message.
“ The sayings of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings which are given by one Shepherd.
My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh” Ecclesiastes 12: 11-12
“Be not righteous overmuch, and do not make yourself overwise; why should you destroy yourself?” Ecclesiastes 7:16
The victimhood of adultery and the persecution comes
Possession???? If it's ineffable, how can you say anything about it? JP is not a Bible scholar. JV is not a Bible scholar so he is just making things up. I could do the same thing without the handwaving.
Perhaps, Christ’s 40 days in the desert can be symbolically represented by divine cybernetics, -symbolized as: 1. the input is the baptism; 2. the process (of analyzing, uncovering and rejecting/eradicating the deep "under-structure of...error") is the activity underlying Christ’s transformation; 3. the outcome is Christ’s ministry, 4. the feedback is the descent of the Holy Ghost, which was/is dimensionally derived via the downward deduction from the divine Spirit (“the ultimate ineffability”) to the spiritually prepared human, - just perhaps...
To Jordan Peterson:
You say act as though God exists, but won’t publicly confess Jesus as King of Kings & Lord of Lords as you’ve experienced in your dream. This is sin. Our relationship with Him is a marriage. You celebrate your spouse publicly.
Matthew 10:32-39
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
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BS
Doctor who? You never mentioned that you are a priest or pastor?
Don't claim things, that you are not?
Doctor who?
Perhaps neither of you get it. Perhaps you’re both so caught up in your pretense that you are blind. Perhaps
Matthew 21:28-32
Perhaps if your no is a no to God, and you try to work it out, your no is still a no.
In the place of pschoanylizing the Christos, we have the personna of witness to insperience. The creative continuum is Whom we've always been, forever. As I assume the ineffable particulars of identity, in the womb, I'm girded with a specific, unrepeatable capacity to observe and interact with eternal creation. Ex-perience--seeing outside of, & beyond my natal or natural specifics, is the supernatural at play. More than me, or I--&, yet, inclusive of my specifics, as well. We call this love, or agape, or being, or "what's for breakfast?" Forsaking the continuum to cling to a temporal stasis--an ordination of self--is, in fact, knowledge of evil. Tsk. We let the vacuum cleaner salesman in the house. The salesman is dead set on a sale. How can I see past, beyond, the insistent need for this contraption, and show the salesman out? I am the continuum, not the homeowner. I answered the door for my Redeemer, not this salesman. I am my Redeemer's house, and He shall sweep me clean. ❤
Both of these people are talking nonsense. It's word salad.
How can anyone make sense of this utter nonsense?
THEY SAY SO MUCH & say so little -- TRY FR RIPPERGER WHO ISNT A SELF EGO CENTER BUDDHIST
It's about time we just flushed the "scripture" down the toilet if this is how it's going to divide people
What makes you think people disagreeing is bad?
Anyway, you can't flush it down the toilet. It's too old, too large, too immaterial. It's not something you can forget. If you want to "get over it" you have to go through it.
@@notloki3377 nothing about people disagreeing is bad it's people thinking they are somehow God's only chosen people and murdering other people for that that's bad
we can agree on that.@@American-BadAss732
The lie of the evil one tricked Moses and Muhammed and also tricked the Christians with Paul who never met Jesus, which was warned about false prophets.
The Coward
Eventually, the brave
Who is Coward? Lefts are lunatic and cowards!
I am suffering when I don't need to be and the only thing in the way of my success in this material world is my conscience.. Where is God here??? Doesn't exist
There are two wolves that live inside one negative and One positive which wolf do We feed ❤️💯🧬💪 see the depths in Namaste
Are you the cause of your own suffering? It’s time to be a big boy and take responsibility for your own life. The results are now in your hands.
@@valeriaramirez2586 I am definitely 100% not the cause of my own suffering, bless you.
He is precisely that voice of conscience that is calling you Up towards freedom from mere trying to realise your own plans. You are absolutely right that you dont need to be suffering. But it is precisely the imposing our personal will on the material world that causes our suffering. Which we mostly refuse to admit and suffer even more by trying to manipulate things into our own way. Be thankful that you can still hear that voice of conscience. Without it we are absolutely lost and fall prey to the manipulation of the spirits that want to bring destruction of our souls.
@@adamvano3459 yes.. All that while the godless live on.. I wonder what would your final argument be as to what in this world- (and no other) stands for the weak and downtrodden.. Mother nature? The holy spirit?
I reject the part of Jesus which wanted to bring goodness to lesser souls, to those which would never do the same for him, I see things objectively and it's not me in this world playing both sides for some hereworldly plans or material gains but some church actually.
I reject the degenerate in Christ. He should have known better, where and what to do and then maybe his will would bring a peaceful world and not this chaos which is what should now become the bringer of such.
That's all there is. To date. I see it clearly. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth
Ends=means
I wish he was king, and smushed those SOULLESS SEMITES , worshippers of BLACK HOLES... TO THE LAST!!!! Like ST. ILIJA..... like st George.. St vitus....
I am really glad that you mentioned the Holy Spirit in this because there is not a lot of sharing of the Holy Spirit. ⽰
I am reading the "A Course in Miracles." wWhich is a great way to connect with Holy Spirit for me.