The Origins of Baseball - Lecture 2

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  • Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024

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  • @SleapeeHed
    @SleapeeHed Месяц назад +5

    I watch Ken Burns Baseball once a year or so. I'm gonna start watching this video as an appetizer every time from now on. Fantastic stuff.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Месяц назад

      Thanks for the comment.

    • @SleapeeHed
      @SleapeeHed Месяц назад

      @@thebaseballprofessor Yea dude. I'm loving all the lectures.

  • @TheBatugan77
    @TheBatugan77 2 года назад +13

    That picture of Elysian Fields is terrific. Always loved it.

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever

  • @ghandibanks
    @ghandibanks 2 года назад +15

    Thank you for this. Extremely in depht, easy to understand and entertaining.

    • @TheBatugan77
      @TheBatugan77 2 года назад

      I agree! 👍

    • @slidymctuesday5711
      @slidymctuesday5711 2 года назад

      Depht

    • @doppelplusungutmensch1141
      @doppelplusungutmensch1141 2 года назад

      @@slidymctuesday5711 Oh my gosh, he made a typo, cast a stone at him...

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever

  • @shaolinotter
    @shaolinotter 14 дней назад +2

    I found this video a bit late but it is appreciated!

  • @saurondp
    @saurondp 6 месяцев назад

    Love this video! The history of baseball has always fascinated me, and it's always been quite interesting to look at the evolution of the game as it happened in the 19th century.

  • @johnborrero8992
    @johnborrero8992 2 года назад +2

    Thank you for this. Interesting, informative, entertaining and educational.

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever

  • @matthewsimpson1268
    @matthewsimpson1268 2 года назад +2

    Great video!

  • @adamhustler3639
    @adamhustler3639 2 года назад +1

    @22:45 .. that Atlantic/Excelsior box score is interesting. It shows how the Excelsior still hit in the bottom of the 9th even though they were already winning. Any idea when they stopped playing the bottom of the 9th when ahead?

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  2 года назад +3

      During the mid-nineteenth century, batting first carried a significant advantage because the ball (they only used one) was destined to become a misshapen piece of mush. By the end of the nineteenth century, professional leagues had standardized the size and weight of balls although they could still could become dirty and less lively after a few innings. At the time of Jim Creighton, home teams preferred batting first. The tradition of home teams batting second was firmly in place at the start of the twentieth century. I don't know much more than that!

    • @adamhustler3639
      @adamhustler3639 2 года назад

      @@thebaseballprofessor thank you

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever😊

  • @dreamslayer5314
    @dreamslayer5314 2 года назад +1

    I enjoyed this video.

  • @ijustgottasay1281
    @ijustgottasay1281 2 года назад

    Am just catching on to your videos, which I find fascinating from my perspective of being both a history buff and a baseball fan. Your vintage source materials used are very much appreciated and add so much to the presentations.

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever

  • @Totalfog
    @Totalfog 2 месяца назад

    Did you ever consider doing a video about announcers at the ballpark? Bob Shepherd comes to mind "The Voice of God" at Yankee Stadium or Tex Rickard at Ebbetts Field. Here in the Baltimore area we had Rex Barney and Roger Griswold, both of whom had their interesting idiosyncrasies. And don't forget the organists, such as the incomparable Gladys Gooding at Ebbetts Field and the organist (can't remember his name) who was thrown out by the umpire for playing "Three Blind Mice" after a bad call (there may have been more than one of those). But all of those people really enriched the ballpark experience.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  2 месяца назад

      I really need to do a tribute to the great announcers of the twentieth century. Speaking of the organists, I did a video on that: ruclips.net/video/g0QH8gnX3R4/видео.html

  • @redshirt1917
    @redshirt1917 2 года назад

    I think, if I remember correctly, that Los Angeles had its own men's baseball team and women's softball team around 1888. They played in California leagues and were employed by a cattle yard in Riverside.

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever

  • @JayDagny
    @JayDagny 2 года назад

    I took a whole college course on the history of baseball through Minnesota State Community and Technical College. This video was just as thorough as that course. What I really appreciated about your take on everything is unlike the professor I had for that course, you mention the racial aspect of the game and its history honestly. My professor was clearly biased (he used the term "blacks" to refer to black people, which is kind of an automatic red flag), so he often overlooked or simply briefly mentioned players of color and their impact on the history of the game

    • @notvalidcharacters
      @notvalidcharacters 2 года назад +1

      What kind of "red flag" is that? I don't follow.

    • @JayDagny
      @JayDagny 2 года назад

      @@notvalidcharacters just an outdated phrase. Kind of like hearing “colored.” It boils someone who is a whole complex person down to their skin color. It indicates that they’re not seen as black PEOPLE, just as “blacks” as if that’s its own entity

    • @JayDagny
      @JayDagny 2 года назад

      @@notvalidcharacters I think it would help if you made it singular. You wouldn’t say “Have you met Randy? He’s a black”

    • @notvalidcharacters
      @notvalidcharacters 2 года назад

      @@JayDagny In a singular, we'd generally use the adjective (predicate adjective), not the noun.
      In the previous example if your prof is referring to generic Black people in the *plural* -- are they not "Blacks"? Guess I'm not following what you're expecting there.

    • @JayDagny
      @JayDagny 2 года назад

      @@notvalidcharacters no, they’re not blacks. They’re black people

  • @daviddeane2923
    @daviddeane2923 2 года назад +1

    Cricket being associated with the upper classes is an American idea, no doubt promoted by 19th century baseballers. Cricket doesn’t have aristocratic connotations in England, Australia, India, etc. It is a popular sport for all classes; the upper classes may dominate the organization of the sport but that’s true in all organized sports.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  2 года назад +2

      Cricket would not have caught on so strongly in South Asia had it been associated with the upper classes.

    • @MCKevin289
      @MCKevin289 2 года назад

      In Ireland it has somewhat aristocratic connotations too but that’s also probably due to the GAA. Fun fact, the GAA governs rounders in Ireland! I play hurling and I found that my background in baseball has helped me a lot with striking the ball out of my hand along with catching the ball. But I have to do it barehanded like old school baseball. I’ve been watching old Ted Williams videos talking about hitting to help me.

  • @MarlinWilliams-ts5ul
    @MarlinWilliams-ts5ul 23 дня назад

    Wait. What about Abner Doubleday?

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  23 дня назад

      The Ridiculous 6 (2015) provides all the answers to Doubleday's invention of baseball.

  • @notvalidcharacters
    @notvalidcharacters 2 года назад

    26:14 You've got those names switched. The figures would be left to right Bell, Douglas, Breckinridge, Lincoln. Note Breckinridge's reference to Kentucky --- his home state. Bell (far left) was from Tennessee and was not a Democrat, but a Whig, called by then the "Constitutional Union Party" (note also "Union Club" on his belt) which was opposed to extending Slavery. Breckinridge, third from left with the "extension" bat, stood in favour of a federal guarantee of Slavery protection -- the crux of the whole question at the time. He, not Bell, was the splitter Democrat. Lincoln and Bell opposed such a federal guarantee, and Douglas, the official Democrat, held the "popular sovereignty" position, leaving it up to each new state as it came in.
    Second correction at 26:52 - "not long after his inauguration 11 states seceded and formed a Confederacy" ... actually just seven states seceded at first to form the CSA, and they did so in February 1861 *before* the Lincoln inauguration. Texas, the last of the seven, was not fully involved in the formation. The other four seceded after the War began.

  • @MCKevin289
    @MCKevin289 2 года назад

    It is true that in most English speaking countries that they call association football soccer. US, Canada, ireland(football is Gaelic football), and Australia(football is AFL).

    • @doppelplusungutmensch1141
      @doppelplusungutmensch1141 2 года назад

      Well, (except the US Virgin Islands) every single English-speaking country in the Carribean uses the word "football" exclusively. That's a higher number of countries than US, Canada, Ireland and Australia.
      Also, Ireland is somewhat ambivalent. "Football" can refer to both Gaelic and association football. Association football fans in Ireland rarely use "soccer".

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever❤

  • @darthcheney7447
    @darthcheney7447 2 года назад

    Still love the game.

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever

    • @ChargersCity
      @ChargersCity 6 месяцев назад

      🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever

  • @sentimentalbloke185
    @sentimentalbloke185 2 года назад +1

    Probably the seminal influence for the rise and spread of various English team sports (including cricket, rugby & soccer) was the Public School system which was an enthusiastic propagator of the Masculine Christianity ideal during the first half of the nineteenth century. But Muscular Christians frowned on professionalism and amateurs were held up as the leaders/administrators of the various games, a situation that extended well into the twentieth century in rugby & cricket. This paradigm was typical of the English class system.

  • @daviddeane2923
    @daviddeane2923 2 года назад +1

    Soccer still isn’t “gender neutral” to most of the world. It was an exclusively male sport in a lot of countries until fairly recently. It’s why US women’s national team has had an advantage over the past 30 years.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  2 года назад +1

      Soccer is gender neutral in the sense that men and women play it at the collegiate and international level like the men. The same is true of tennis and basketball or track and field. What sets baseball and cricket apart is that women overwhelmingly play softball. Meanwhile, women in the British Isles overwhelmingly play rounders, not cricket. It's different from other sports.

    • @doppelplusungutmensch1141
      @doppelplusungutmensch1141 2 года назад

      I think the point the lectorer made is that in those sports women play the same kind of sport as men do. While in baseball they don't, they play a variant called softball, with different rules and even a different name.
      A woman playing basketball doesn't play a variant called handbagball and a woman playing football doesn't play a variant called pedicureball.

  • @63IRISH63
    @63IRISH63 5 месяцев назад

    No offense to the Professor/narrator, but the only thing missing from this is some Shelby Foote narration (press F).

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  5 месяцев назад

      The production team looked for a preeminent southern writer to narrate the lecture series. Tim Gautreaux was unavailable.

  • @VianoMusicAcademy
    @VianoMusicAcademy 2 года назад +1

    23:41 who else snapped their wrist?

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  2 года назад

      Creighton was the first pitcher to be accused of snapping his wrist. Doing it overtly would have been illegal and poor sportsmanship. NY rules specified that the ball had to be pitched underhanded (stiff arm) and not thrown overhand. The pitcher's job was to induce contact, not prevent it. After Creighton, pitchers pushed the boundaries of what was legal and came up with inventive new pitches such as the curve and sinker. MLB legalized the wrist snap in the 1870s.

  • @daviddeane2923
    @daviddeane2923 2 года назад +1

    Cricketer, not “cricketeer.”

  • @travisazzopardi8024
    @travisazzopardi8024 2 года назад +1

    No gloves and no shoes in Elysian? No shoes?

  • @davidpratt7626
    @davidpratt7626 2 года назад

    The easier answer is cricket

  • @hyzercreek
    @hyzercreek 2 месяца назад

    Don't say "green space." How about using a normal word like "park" so you don't sound bourgeoise

  • @tamerlane7
    @tamerlane7 Год назад

    “Soccer as it’s called in most English speaking countries”…..WRONG
    I live in England and no one uses the term “Soccer” here, neither do they in any European country.
    We call it “Football” because it’s played with the feet!
    In the USA it’s known as Soccer.
    That’s because in the USA they already have a modified version of Rugby which they refer to as “football” ,which is played with the hands!

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +2

      New Zealanders, Australians, and Canadians call it soccer. That amounts to more people than the population of England. www.businessinsider.com/football-vs-soccer-map-2013-12

    • @tamerlane7
      @tamerlane7 Год назад

      @@thebaseballprofessor Yes, you are correct about the Aussies and the Kiwis, they also use the term “Soccer” which essentially is an American term.
      Part of the reason being that, just like the USA they both also don’t have a football culture, and play mainly other sports such as Cricket, Rugby etc etc.
      Whereas all of the countries which do have a football culture, all of them refer to it as Football, which is the correct term.
      That includes, the whole of Europe, the whole of South America, the whole of Africa, and almost the entire Asia.
      In other words, apart from a handful of countries such as Australia, New Zealand etc, pretty much the entire planet refers to it by its correct name which is Football.
      And that also includes countries such as England and Ireland, both of whom are English speaking countries.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +1

      @@tamerlane7 It's certainly true that most countries across the globe have a word that is some version of football.

    • @tamerlane7
      @tamerlane7 Год назад

      @@thebaseballprofessor I enjoyed your documentary on baseball which I found to be quite interesting.
      By the way, I think you should make a similar documentary on the history of Cricket in America, as you’re probably aware I’m sure that Cricket also had a strong tradition in America at one point especially in the north east, which lasted good part of a century, sadly eventually being completely overshadowed by the rising popularity of baseball and ultimately forgotten.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +2

      @@tamerlane7 Stay tuned! I've always wanted to do something on 19th century cricket in the USA. It was more widespread than most Americans realize. Cricket clubs existed in all of the big cities.