Some years ago I was using the database "America's history newspapers", and decided to take a break from my project to see the earliest reference to baseball that I could find. I don't have the reference now, but I recall that it was in an 1820s newspaper, and it reported on a new fad in New York City called baseball. It was readily recognizable as being our game, and not just some very distant ancestor. I have never seen this newspaper article reported in any review of the history of baseball.
It's amazing to think that at nearly the same time as Baseball was gaining popularity and spawning the clubs in the USA, at the same time as Association Football (soccer) was doing the same in England. How amazing would it be to be able to travel back in time to when NYC had three top flight professional baseball teams: the Yankees, the Dodgers and the Giants. Who wouldn't want to venture into Ebbits Field or the Polo Grounds before the wrecking ball demolished them, and the memories of what transpired there.
You must not forget that in the time the British occupied NE USA the game they played was cricket. There were many cricket clubs and even more players. If you look around there arre still some cricket ovals in existance. I'm Aussie and when visiting DC thirty years ago I saw a lunchtime game being played between what appeared to be diplomatic staff on an oval. A USA Cricket Association exists so maybe check their history.
Clubs in New Jersey played on the Elysian Fields in Hoboken, where they played a version of Rounders with rules adopted from Cricket. Activity would have involved playground rules, only formalized over time, when men played in amateur clubs, and writers began following exploits in professional clubs & leagues.
The Oldest Team name Philadelphia Phillies(1890) The Oldest Team Cubs & Braves (1870) Fenway Park(1912) Alexander Joy Cartwright (Knickerbockers Club,1845)
man that is cool. Excellent work. My “general” historical knowledge was that it developed in the 1870s/1880s. But obviously I was wrong, and I am glad I learned! I sorta kinda wish it was still referred to as “New York Rules” baseball because internationally you have the distinction for Rugby and Australian Rules Rugby or football. lol. It doesn’t really matter, I just think it would be cool. And all those different names for different “ball games” that were played as you researched. That really blows my mind! Again I generally knew it sorta evolved from cricket but had not known there were so many different varieties! Again, very cool, excellent work excellent production!
The reference to Rugby (presuming Rugby Union as opposed to Rugby League) with AFL has little bearing as an analogy to baseball. There is definitely no where near as many variations in the rules in baseball wherever it is played. Americans tend to not have a good overall view of how many nations baseball is played in.
@@flamingfrancis yes, I understand that. But in the video, he specifically delineates the history of how “New York Rules” baseball became the dominant form of baseball and eventually just became referred to as “baseball” as we refer to it today. All I was saying was, I think it would have been funny and cool if the “New York Rules” part of the name had held on through history and through the years, in similarly comparable manner as to how the specific phraseage of “Australian Rules football/rugby” has held on in their sport through the years and over the course of time and history. I was not making any direct comparison of the three games beyond historical, nomeclatural choices of phraseage for the names. No big deal. No problemo. Just a “fantasy” thought that Inhad while watching this excellent video on the history.
Further Fun Fact.....the first known (REAL) World championship was played under the auspices of the International Baseball Federation (IBAF) in 1938. I'll let you all check out the details in Wikipedia to find out who won.
What an excellent channel I just discovered. As a lifelong fan of the game and its history, I sincerely hope it expands into something great. Keep up the good work.
Please do a video on the game of 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐜𝐚𝐭 which we were still playing in Brooklyn up to the early 1960s. We also called it one against all. I understand that this is still played somewhere in New England.
CRICKET: A Brit game that influenced the development of American baseball. CRICKETS: The result of 'Fire Sales' by baseball teams, such as the Oakland A's of 2022.
And to turn that first sentence around Baseball has been a big influence on a variant of cricket ccalled T20 which has been played interntionally since 2006
I read a book about the Louis and Clark expedition some years ago, where along the way they tought some Native Americans a stick and ball game with safe bases, I think they called it Rounders if I recall correctly. That would be early 1800s
@Paul Kostiak Great story, didn't know that. One small correction, though, Mack was the owner-manager of the Philadelphia Athletics (forebears to todays Oakland Athletics), not the Phillies.
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
I see you credit John Thorn's Baseball in the Garden of Eden. I totally recommend that book. I also recommend Paul Goldberger's Ballpark: Baseball in the American City.
There is a story from the War of 1812. American POWs brought to Britain were playing a game with a bat & a ball, when one of the prisoners chased a ball outside the camp boundary he was shot. They were playing an early version of base-ball.
Rounders is actually an Irish sport and baseball is directly dirived from the sport, however town ball and beanball which are exactly identical to baseball, the only differences are bean ball you have to literally throw the baseball at the base runner to record an out. Town ball or stickball you can record an out the way we do today or by beaning your opponent. Town ball was also set up to play with any stick you can find to hit the ball. Sort of like baseball in the ghetto. Lol. Baseball is the oldest american sport with the oldest professional league in existence, The American Association (now the American League). There are a lot of facts in this that I never knew I played this game for a living at one point. Really good stuff here man.
Baseball would be the oldest sport codified in the USA but it is not the oldest sport. There are Indigenous games that are still played plus the British brought cricket with them much earlier than when baseball came along.
When I was in England years ago some people mentioned that our baseball was similar their children’s game rounders. That’s the first time I ever heard of that game. I watched Cricket a number of times but it never made any sense accept the local guys drinking , during breaks , it reminded me of slow pitch softball
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The 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings moved to Boston where they became the Boston Red Stockings and then the Boston Braves. They still exist today as the Atlanta Braves.
Its pretty funny to think about a 50-40 game. Its like "Oh we have a commanding lead of 45-40 going into the bottom of the 9th... oh well I guess we'll be powerless to stop five runs from scoring because we don't have gloves, the field is a mass, our team is unathletic, and its basically slow pitch softball."
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
I don't know precisely when it became baseball... but I do know that it became a joke when they started putting a free runner on second base in extra innings.
I watch videos like this and it saddens me in many ways. (Video was good and informative, by the way.) I look back at what baseball was in the beginning; it was a humble, innocent game filled with amateurs who just loved to play. I look at the nonsensical melodramatic circus that baseball is today with its politics corrupting the sport; players with multi-million dollar contracts, billionaire owners who purposely put out losing teams on the field, overdramatic sports media hyping baseball's off-field stories, cookie cutter ballpark dimensions that are off-putting, and the destruction of independent minor league baseball (MLB Partner Leagues = Scam). Baseball has fallen so hard in recent times. I hope baseball fans understand what I'm trying to say here... We need to start going back to the sport's simpler times.
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
The old game was actually filled with cursing, gambling and violence, on and off the field. Fights in the stands. Shady characters in the stands and dugouts. Even a few fires started and stands burned to the ground. It was no place for women and children. It wasn't until the early 1900's that team owners began to try and clean things up, because they were losing money at the gate. It culminated in 1919 with the Black Sox scandal which allowed them to enforced gentility.
@@TK0_23_ And your ultimate point? Not disregarding what you said, because even back then you had shady things going on in baseball (and every sport, for that matter). However, don't use what you just said as justification for the nonsense that's unfolding in baseball recently and now. You can't tell me with a straight face that what we have now in baseball is a million times better than what we had in the early 1900s. Politics, money, arrogance, and corruption are all anchoring baseball now. Do you want to spend thousands of dollars just to attend a single MLB game?
@@stevenvitte in the early 1900s a team lost the world series on purpose for gambling money. I think you have very rose tinted glasses on when talking about early baseball.
I'm almost 50 and think the game and the players are absolutely fascinating and fun. The "politics" is completely avoidable, as is the drama. All one has to do is watch the 9 innings of play between two teams. That's it. If you chose to embed yourself in the narratives of (as you admitted - elite and wealthy people) then that's what you'll get out of it. Tune out all that noise "old timer" just enjoy the game!
it came into my recommendeds I believe because the youtube algorithm “sees” that I watch a lot of the channels Jomboy, Baseball Doesn’t Exist, and Pat McAfee, and also nother one simply called, Baseball Sports. Lol, yes, I always try to wonder about how the “algorithm” sends videos into the recommendeds. Even though I am certainly not deciphering it nor am I a programmer, thinking about how it happens makes me think I might almost be deciphering the secrets of the computer algorithm that controls video recommendations. Yes and how silly eh?
To sell you LIES! More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
@@fabio40 Oh I did, but your argument should be with Ken Burns, far be it from me to be called a baseball historian. Have you seen his baseball documentary?
If you really want to trace the lines of any of these bat and ball sports you need to go back just a bit further....to the Egyptian era. You will find some depictions in the hieroglyphics to stick / ball likenesses. But insofar as the reality of today's game is concerned we didn't have a game until we had rules so that makes it 1854.
The fact that Union Troops were allowed to play a game during their imprisonment is pretty neat. Now only if the confederacy had that moral compass towards blacks.
If you want to talk about the oldest team in baeball? It should be the oldest team in the same city and the same name in the most consecutive years. And that would make the oldest team in Major Leauge Baseball the Philadelphia Phillies. Who has been a team since 1889.
If you want to talk about the oldest continuously running franchise, it would be the Atlanta Braves, who have played every season since 1871 (and have a reason to lay claim as the first professional baseball team as well since quite a few 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings players joined that organization)
"When did baseball become baseball?" Baseball became baseball when people decided to make it baseball. Uh, I certainly hope that clarifies things a bit.
@@TheBatugan77 What the hell would I be jealous about? I'm from Jersey, near where the first "New York Game" (the basis of the game that's played today) was played in 1846 at Elysian Fields - just across the Hudson from the "Capitol of Baseball" - Ken Burns. Generations of my family have seen the best teams in baseball play. My Dad caught one of Babe Ruth's home runs, and I was a friend of Yogi Berra when I was a kid. My Dad and I lunched with Whitey Ford at the Diamond Club. What the hell would we care about a perenially mediocre team from Ohio? Ohio? Fuck Ohio.
Baseball is mention in 1744 John Newbury's Little Pretty Pocket Book and was invented in England possibly before 1700. I has taken the Americans 150 years to turn it into the only commercial sport which is duller than cricket.
@@bostonrailfan2427 Soccer? What is soccer? I fear you may be referring to football. Not American football of course, which appears to be a game designed solely for TV ads and those not fit enough to play rugby. I agree football is dull, so dull in fact that it is the no.1 sport in the world for both men and women.
@@thearcticlord3920 oh lookie, another ignorant Brit who doesn’t know the damn word is their own and who thinks that they’re superior because they use another word.
I've watched a little bit of Cricket lately and as a baseball fan it really makes no sense at all. No bases? No foul balls? Makes no sense to me at all.
@@brennanroy7842 just bowling the ball to the batsman then the guys running back and forth to score runs until out…the real issue is it lacks the complexity of planning and tactics
@@bostonrailfan2427 And you are from Boston...where British tea was popular?. With my many decades in both sports I can assure you that both have complexities.
You've gotten it all wrong the first mention of baseball in america comes from pittsfield massachusetts in 1792 so before you make any more videos on baseball i suggest you do your reaserch and stop half assing it
Unless something has changed, the earliest written mention of baseball in America is from a student’s diary entry for Wednesday, March 22, 1786: “A fine day play baste ball in the campus but am beaten for I miss both catching and striking the Ball.”
"A Little Pretty Pocket Book" by John Newbery, first published in England in 1744, has the first print reference to baseball although the game is rounders and not the modern New York game: “Base-Ball. The Ball once struck off, Away Flies the Boy, To the next destin’d Post, and then Home with Joy.”
Way to condense a shitton of information into just a few minutes. I love baseball history. No other sport has a history as rich as baseball. That im aware of anyway. And im not a sports guy, more of a history guy
@@piggyroo100 Lol. It's okay man. The game is in okay shape. The people who run the game will always be despised because we all despise authority. But "the game" is fine. Always will be. 👍
@@TheManWithNoName93 no you blithering idiot: it’s just one of the first recorded games by that name. the name itself is older than that: it’s at least 260 years old. it’s in multiple newspapers from before that year. given that there’s a strong BRITISH link to Canada then it’s not the same baseball that you believe it to be: it’s a cousin of the sport, like rounders or one of the other mentioned games. but i doubt uou care, you’re too lazy to bother researching
@counselthyself you do know that the tribes WERE NOT SLL IN CANADA, right? the bulk of the originators WERE FROM THE UNITED STATES. Western and Upper New York/Pennsylvania area, not Quebec. so no, i was not wrong. just because the name was French due to the whites not pronouncing the native words DOES NOT MAJW IT CANADIAN
Baseball players are so scared of the ball they have to wear huge gloves to stop them hurting their hands. Cricket players must have a good laugh at that.
You must have totally forgot to mention that wicket keepers (Catcher) in cricket wear large padded gloves on both hands PLUS inner gloves.. Arguably the most spectacular catches taken are from wicketkeepers who gain a big lateral movement advantage knowing their hands are safer. It is a safety factor in any case and has always been part of baseball. If you think that it makes cricket more superior to baseball you need to start learning. You might also ask yourself why do most of the national players of cricket teams wear basebll gloves when dong their warm ups prior to the commencement of most games these days?
@@flamingfrancis okay yes the wicket keeper wears gloves but look at their proximity. They are for safety. Your catchers are so swaddled in armor you would think they were on a bomb disposal team, so go on compare the two. Baseball gloves are made to make the catching easier and less painful on the hands. Full stop. Stop kidding yourself and do us a favor, use less words, you sound pretentious. Oh and don’t even get me started on all the pads and helmets your “football” players use, that game easily compares to rugby, what is it with American sports is your toughness is only for show?
The other thing I've wondered. Have you ever played catch with someone with a baseball? Typically we'll stand 30 feet apart or so and throw a hardball as hard as we can at each other. And I do mean at each other. You target the shoulder, sometimes it's more at the face though. It's one of the fundamental skills. Throwing and catching like that.
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
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This video was very good. I research 1800s baseball for a living, and there were some things that I didn’t even know in this, keep up the great work.
Oh hey retro baseball I love your videos definitely underated
This a John Thorn burner account? Lol
I can’t believe someone can make a living researching 1800s Baseball. Pretty cool job.
How do you make a living researching baseball? Sounds like a good job.
Some years ago I was using the database "America's history newspapers", and decided to take a break from my project to see the earliest reference to baseball that I could find. I don't have the reference now, but I recall that it was in an 1820s newspaper, and it reported on a new fad in New York City called baseball. It was readily recognizable as being our game, and not just some very distant ancestor. I have never seen this newspaper article reported in any review of the history of baseball.
Very cool.
It's mentioned in a book "Baseball Before We Knew It"
Maybe you could find it and share it??
Earliest reference to baseball in America is in a by-law written in 1791 in Pittsfield, Massachusetts.
It's amazing to think that at nearly the same time as Baseball was gaining popularity and spawning the clubs in the USA, at the same time as Association Football (soccer) was doing the same in England. How amazing would it be to be able to travel back in time to when NYC had three top flight professional baseball teams: the Yankees, the Dodgers and the Giants. Who wouldn't want to venture into Ebbits Field or the Polo Grounds before the wrecking ball demolished them, and the memories of what transpired there.
I have precious memories of watching the Reds play at Crosley Field in the 60s. Think it's a vacant lot now.
Soccer. Psssh.
Assocation Football...
Ass. Foot. For short?
@@TheBatugan77 Soccer soccer soccer soccer! There, feel better?
You must not forget that in the time the British occupied NE USA the game they played was cricket. There were many cricket clubs and even more players. If you look around there arre still some cricket ovals in existance. I'm Aussie and when visiting DC thirty years ago I saw a lunchtime game being played between what appeared to be diplomatic staff on an oval. A USA Cricket Association exists so maybe check their history.
HOLY FUCK WITH THE SOUND EFFECTS! Blasted my ears off the headphones! @4:05
Did you happen to Slop Your Knickerbockers?
Somebody always complains about the music, without fail lol.
@@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul Thanks for responding a year later. LOL
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i have a feeling this channel's gonna be big. keep it up!
Agreed these videos are so good!
same
Clubs in New Jersey played on the Elysian Fields in Hoboken, where they played a version of Rounders with rules adopted from Cricket. Activity would have involved playground rules, only formalized over time, when men played in amateur clubs, and writers began following exploits in professional clubs & leagues.
that story was debunked but nit far iff from what happened…the amalgamation of two sports that were played begat the third game that we know of today
In college at UCF I took a sports history class with Dr. Crepeau and we learned about the history of baseball, loved that class.
Baseball was brought to Cuba in 1868 (part of Spain back then) and it's the National Sport. Thanks AMERICA!🇨🇺❤🇺🇲❤⚾️
Ear blast at 4:05. Be aware. Great video, however, just turn down the volume before 4:05.
The first baseball game recorded in Canada was played in Beachville, Ontario on June 4, 1838
The Oldest Team name Philadelphia Phillies(1890)
The Oldest Team Cubs & Braves (1870)
Fenway Park(1912)
Alexander Joy Cartwright (Knickerbockers Club,1845)
Damn, they were even shifting the dude at 2:33
man that is cool. Excellent work. My “general” historical knowledge was that it developed in the 1870s/1880s. But obviously I was wrong, and I am glad I learned! I sorta kinda wish it was still referred to as “New York Rules” baseball because internationally you have the distinction for Rugby and Australian Rules Rugby or football. lol. It doesn’t really matter, I just think it would be cool. And all those different names for different “ball games” that were played as you researched. That really blows my mind! Again I generally knew it sorta evolved from cricket but had not known there were so many different varieties! Again, very cool, excellent work excellent production!
Knickerbockers, The First Baseball team(1845)
Well we know that they played during the Civil War, 1861-1865. In Ken Burns Baseball they mention that their "center field " was captured.
The reference to Rugby (presuming Rugby Union as opposed to Rugby League) with AFL has little bearing as an analogy to baseball. There is definitely no where near as many variations in the rules in baseball wherever it is played. Americans tend to not have a good overall view of how many nations baseball is played in.
@@flamingfrancis yes, I understand that. But in the video, he specifically delineates the history of how “New York Rules” baseball became the dominant form of baseball and eventually just became referred to as “baseball” as we refer to it today. All I was saying was, I think it would have been funny and cool if the “New York Rules” part of the name had held on through history and through the years, in similarly comparable manner as to how the specific phraseage of “Australian Rules football/rugby” has held on in their sport through the years and over the course of time and history. I was not making any direct comparison of the three games beyond historical, nomeclatural choices of phraseage for the names. No big deal. No problemo. Just a “fantasy” thought that Inhad while watching this excellent video on the history.
Fun Fact: Derby County Football Club played their home matches at the Baseball Ground, but that location only got its name in 1890.
Further Fun Fact.....the first known (REAL) World championship was played under the auspices of the International Baseball Federation (IBAF) in 1938. I'll let you all check out the details in Wikipedia to find out who won.
What an excellent channel I just discovered. As a lifelong fan of the game and its history, I sincerely hope it expands into something great. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the comment
Please do a video on the game of 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐜𝐚𝐭 which we were still playing in Brooklyn up to the early 1960s. We also called it one against all. I understand that this is still played somewhere in New England.
CRICKET: A Brit game that influenced the development of American baseball.
CRICKETS: The result of 'Fire Sales' by baseball teams, such as the Oakland A's of 2022.
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Ooo so that's where Crickets comes from, Cricket....Yea I like New York Baseball much Better
Oakland As: 122 years of fire sales just to keep competing
And to turn that first sentence around Baseball has been a big influence on a variant of cricket ccalled T20 which has been played interntionally since 2006
I read a book about the Louis and Clark expedition some years ago, where along the way they tought some Native Americans a stick and ball game with safe bases, I think they called it Rounders if I recall correctly. That would be early 1800s
Knickerbockers, The First Baseball team(1845)
"Bat"? It was a popular similar version of MLB played in Canada, early 1800s, I've just discovered.
@@tur7321 except they weren’t…the game was around before them
Interesting short on the origins of baseball. I enjoyed it very much!
Great informative videos. I'd like to see one on the origins of baseball uniforms- where they came from and how they got their distinctive look.
@Paul Kostiak Great story, didn't know that. One small correction, though, Mack was the owner-manager of the Philadelphia Athletics (forebears to todays Oakland Athletics), not the Phillies.
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
I see you credit John Thorn's Baseball in the Garden of Eden. I totally recommend that book. I also recommend Paul Goldberger's Ballpark: Baseball in the American City.
There is a story from the War of 1812. American POWs brought to Britain were playing a game with a bat & a ball, when one of the prisoners chased a ball outside the camp boundary he was shot. They were playing an early version of base-ball.
You get a dislike for the loud explosions that destroyed my hearing.
Rounders is actually an Irish sport and baseball is directly dirived from the sport, however town ball and beanball which are exactly identical to baseball, the only differences are bean ball you have to literally throw the baseball at the base runner to record an out. Town ball or stickball you can record an out the way we do today or by beaning your opponent. Town ball was also set up to play with any stick you can find to hit the ball. Sort of like baseball in the ghetto. Lol. Baseball is the oldest american sport with the oldest professional league in existence, The American Association (now the American League). There are a lot of facts in this that I never knew I played this game for a living at one point. Really good stuff here man.
Baseball would be the oldest sport codified in the USA but it is not the oldest sport. There are Indigenous games that are still played plus the British brought cricket with them much earlier than when baseball came along.
First official game was in Beachville Ontario Canada in 1838 all recorded
Video or it never happens bro.
Look it up
Thank you! I was waiting for this. Beachville's my home town and baseball's my favourite sport so I'm quite proud of it
Might of have been...or might have been a similar game called "Bat". Absolutely worthy of being discussed imo. Thanks!
Can you produce a copy of the rules used?
The Brits played a game called baseball in the 18th century or earlier. Hell, Jane Austen references the game in her novel Northanger Abbey.
The first game was played in Hoboken New Jersey !
that was long since debunked
Thank you. I had some fuzzy knowledge on the early game, this cleared things up a bit.
I wish those red stockings were as good as today’s reds
When I was in England years ago some people mentioned that our baseball was similar their children’s game rounders.
That’s the first time I ever heard of that game.
I watched Cricket a number of times but it never made any sense
accept the local guys drinking ,
during breaks , it reminded me of slow pitch softball
Enjoying your content. Keep up the good work, mate.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it!
4:40 I wonder when they started making 'baseball' one word.
Excellent video. It makes me wonder when overhand pitching begin and was it controversial.
US Cavalry had spirited games mid thru late 1800s.In fact ,men under Col Custer had been playing only days before Little Bighorn....
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You may need to mute the sound starting at 4:03 - 4:11. Bad audio.
Otherwise GREAT info!!!
Don't blame rock and roll. Rowdy behavior was said to start with the birth of rock and roll in the 1950s.
Just subbed this video was so interesting and so cool keep it up can't wait to watch more much love man ❤️ ⚾🧢
Fascinating.
Good stuff enjoyed the information
The 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings moved to Boston where they became the Boston Red Stockings and then the Boston Braves. They still exist today as the Atlanta Braves.
Ok
Braves & Cubs The Oldest Team(1870)
Oldest Team name Philadelphia Phillies(1890)
Fenway Park(1912)
Its pretty funny to think about a 50-40 game. Its like "Oh we have a commanding lead of 45-40 going into the bottom of the 9th... oh well I guess we'll be powerless to stop five runs from scoring because we don't have gloves, the field is a mass, our team is unathletic, and its basically slow pitch softball."
Great stuff. Keep it up!
Thanks for the comment
Just watch The Ridiculous 6… it explains the origins of baseball real well.
Very interesting video.
4:05 I was cleaning and this scared me 😂😂
That sound effect was fun to play with. :)
Great vid man. Long live baseball
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
4:05 = my ears and my heart thank you very much for that. Uhhhh yea, might want to take that back to the editing bay mate. 😂
Yup. You've impressed me enough. New sub here
Thanks Jerry
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
New York fans were a spirited bunch even back then!😉
Yes we were
@@yankees29 Go Red Sox! 👍🏼😂
were? they’re still spirited!
they’re not crazy like the Philadelphia fans or masochists like Marlins fans, but they’re still spirited
Great video
Great job
Just subbed
There was a time when it was 4 strikes and you're out at least by one set of rules.
4:59 those green and yellow uniforms need to return
Jump scare at 4:05
Baseball will always be the greatest sport ever
There is an argument that Baseball was first played in London Ontario Canada.
I don't know precisely when it became baseball... but I do know that it became a joke when they started putting a free runner on second base in extra innings.
Jason Alexander cartwright. CARTWRIGHT!!
I watch videos like this and it saddens me in many ways. (Video was good and informative, by the way.) I look back at what baseball was in the beginning; it was a humble, innocent game filled with amateurs who just loved to play.
I look at the nonsensical melodramatic circus that baseball is today with its politics corrupting the sport; players with multi-million dollar contracts, billionaire owners who purposely put out losing teams on the field, overdramatic sports media hyping baseball's off-field stories, cookie cutter ballpark dimensions that are off-putting, and the destruction of independent minor league baseball (MLB Partner Leagues = Scam).
Baseball has fallen so hard in recent times. I hope baseball fans understand what I'm trying to say here... We need to start going back to the sport's simpler times.
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
The old game was actually filled with cursing, gambling and violence, on and off the field. Fights in the stands. Shady characters in the stands and dugouts. Even a few fires started and stands burned to the ground. It was no place for women and children. It wasn't until the early 1900's that team owners began to try and clean things up, because they were losing money at the gate. It culminated in 1919 with the Black Sox scandal which allowed them to enforced gentility.
@@TK0_23_ And your ultimate point?
Not disregarding what you said, because even back then you had shady things going on in baseball (and every sport, for that matter).
However, don't use what you just said as justification for the nonsense that's unfolding in baseball recently and now. You can't tell me with a straight face that what we have now in baseball is a million times better than what we had in the early 1900s. Politics, money, arrogance, and corruption are all anchoring baseball now. Do you want to spend thousands of dollars just to attend a single MLB game?
@@stevenvitte in the early 1900s a team lost the world series on purpose for gambling money. I think you have very rose tinted glasses on when talking about early baseball.
I'm almost 50 and think the game and the players are absolutely fascinating and fun. The "politics" is completely avoidable, as is the drama. All one has to do is watch the 9 innings of play between two teams. That's it. If you chose to embed yourself in the narratives of (as you admitted - elite and wealthy people) then that's what you'll get out of it. Tune out all that noise "old timer" just enjoy the game!
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This is in my recommended and I don't know why
it came into my recommendeds I believe because the youtube algorithm “sees” that I watch a lot of the channels Jomboy, Baseball Doesn’t Exist, and Pat McAfee, and also nother one simply called, Baseball Sports. Lol, yes, I always try to wonder about how the “algorithm” sends videos into the recommendeds. Even though I am certainly not deciphering it nor am I a programmer, thinking about how it happens makes me think I might almost be deciphering the secrets of the computer algorithm that controls video recommendations. Yes and how silly eh?
To sell you LIES! More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
Like most Gen-Xers I first heard the name 'Abner Doubleday' in a Wrigley gum commercial in the 70s..
I think you meant when did base ball become baseball?
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Base, Ball...
There, the mystery has been solved...
The first recorded baseball game was played in Beachville, Ontario, June 4, 1838. A year before the game in Cooperstown. Google it.
Knickerbockers,The First team Baseball(1845)
Baseball historian Ken Burns might disagree.
@@brucetowell3432 I knew many Americans would reject it. That's why I said Google it.
@@fabio40 Oh I did, but your argument should be with Ken Burns, far be it from me to be called a baseball historian. Have you seen his baseball documentary?
@@brucetowell3432 I don't intend to argue. Just stating the facts.
When Trout was born
If you really want to trace the lines of any of these bat and ball sports you need to go back just a bit further....to the Egyptian era. You will find some depictions in the hieroglyphics to stick / ball likenesses. But insofar as the reality of today's game is concerned we didn't have a game until we had rules so that makes it 1854.
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The fact that Union Troops were allowed to play a game during their imprisonment is pretty neat. Now only if the confederacy had that moral compass towards blacks.
When it was no longer "3-O'Cat."
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There's evidence that baseball is based upon existing games played by the Dutch in New Amsterdam
In cricket, the ball is not pitched. It is bowled. Pitching is illegal.
Thanks for the correction. I should have said the ball is bowled or hurled without any bent elbows. Bowlers run towards the batsman.
Hey Bloke. 👈😡
This is 'Merica!
If we say PITCH, it's PITCH!
You GOT IT? Good..
@@TheBatugan77 Ahh, always amusing to see an American cultural imperialist in full stride. 🤣
@@sentimentalbloke185 we take after the Brits, you taught us everything that we know
@@bostonrailfan2427 I'm not British, chief.
If you want to talk about the oldest team in baeball? It should be the oldest team in the same city and the same name in the most consecutive years. And that would make the oldest team in Major Leauge Baseball the Philadelphia Phillies. Who has been a team since 1889.
If you want to talk about the oldest continuously running franchise, it would be the Atlanta Braves, who have played every season since 1871 (and have a reason to lay claim as the first professional baseball team as well since quite a few 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings players joined that organization)
@@FireballFlareblitz734 and took the team name with them setting up the Red Sox to take the name eventually
Cartwright! Cartwright!
If you're referring to Seinfeld, I was thinking the same thing!😁🤣
father of the rules but not the game
2:45 is it though??? And I don't see 9!
They are kind of missing the most important position! I bet the umps HATED this era!! 🤣
The Weekly Anglo-African.
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All I think of is Adam Sandler ridiculous 8 how baseball was invented
Volume too low, I gave up.
"When did baseball become baseball?"
Baseball became baseball when people decided to make it baseball.
Uh, I certainly hope that clarifies things a bit.
The New York Game. Of course.
Ask any Brit, Kiwi or Aussie... we're all Yanks on this side of the pond, chief. Heh hehehe heh...
Hide the jealousy Cliff.
@@TheBatugan77 What the hell would I be jealous about? I'm from Jersey, near where the first "New York Game" (the basis of the game that's played today) was played in 1846 at Elysian Fields - just across the Hudson from the "Capitol of Baseball" - Ken Burns. Generations of my family have seen the best teams in baseball play. My Dad caught one of Babe Ruth's home runs, and I was a friend of Yogi Berra when I was a kid. My Dad and I lunched with Whitey Ford at the Diamond Club. What the hell would we care about a perenially mediocre team from Ohio? Ohio? Fuck Ohio.
Rounders did not really become very popular since it is only played be girls.
Incorrect...there are a number of versions and it was generally found to be a "village" game espeiallly when played in areas of Wales.
Well, everyone knows God invented baseball.
Because it’s perfect in it’s weird intricacies.
Either that or some mad scientist invented it in a lab.
This guy abner dobbleday invented it.
his buddy Abe Spaulding claimed that he did…the same guy whose company benefited from the fame his claims helped generate
Baseball is mention in 1744 John Newbury's Little Pretty Pocket Book and was invented in England possibly before 1700. I has taken the Americans 150 years to turn it into the only commercial sport which is duller than cricket.
Watch my full lecture on the "Origins of Baseball". I mention Newbury's Little Pretty Pocket Book.
duller than cricket? soccer is the dullest sport of all the big sports!
@@bostonrailfan2427 Soccer? What is soccer? I fear you may be referring to football. Not American football of course, which appears to be a game designed solely for TV ads and those not fit enough to play rugby. I agree football is dull, so dull in fact that it is the no.1 sport in the world for both men and women.
@@thearcticlord3920 oh lookie, another ignorant Brit who doesn’t know the damn word is their own and who thinks that they’re superior because they use another word.
Bowling's a good sport. It keeps your kids off the streets and puts them in the alleys.
I've watched a little bit of Cricket lately and as a baseball fan it really makes no sense at all. No bases? No foul balls? Makes no sense to me at all.
Well, times tables and long division kicked your ass. So it actually makes sense...
Big Dam blew bands...
Cricket is easier to understand than baseball
@@brennanroy7842 just bowling the ball to the batsman then the guys running back and forth to score runs until out…the real issue is it lacks the complexity of planning and tactics
@@bostonrailfan2427 And you are from Boston...where British tea was popular?.
With my many decades in both sports I can assure you that both have complexities.
@@flamingfrancis i have read the rules and observed multiple matches…there’s little if any actual complexity in cricket
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You've gotten it all wrong the first mention of baseball in america comes from pittsfield massachusetts in 1792 so before you make any more videos on baseball i suggest you do your reaserch and stop half assing it
Unless something has changed, the earliest written mention of baseball in America is from a student’s diary entry for Wednesday, March 22, 1786: “A fine day play baste ball in the campus but am beaten for I miss both catching and striking the Ball.”
"A Little Pretty Pocket Book" by John Newbery, first published in England in 1744, has the first print reference to baseball although the game is rounders and not the modern New York game: “Base-Ball. The Ball once struck off, Away Flies the Boy, To the next destin’d Post, and then Home with Joy.”
@@thebaseballprofessor baste is Welch it's a form of cricket
Way to condense a shitton of information into just a few minutes. I love baseball history. No other sport has a history as rich as baseball. That im aware of anyway. And im not a sports guy, more of a history guy
Next you could do a video I Y the Chicago Cubs suck forever
I can tell you when it STOPPED being baseball. The last ten years.
Sound like an old guy shaking his fist at the kids bud...just sayin...😅
@@lewislovelord8977 You read my file
@@piggyroo100 Lol. It's okay man. The game is in okay shape. The people who run the game will always be despised because we all despise authority. But "the game" is fine. Always will be. 👍
@@lewislovelord8977 Not to me. I stopped watching and attending. Think they’ll miss me? Universal dh was the last straw.
@@piggyroo100 Naw. Probably not but the game isn't really about individuals, never was imo.
Doc Adam’s is the Father of Base ball. Please research
Alexander Cartwright Jr(Knickerbockers club,1845)
Doc Adam's was too busy diggin bullets out of Matt Dillon to be playing baseball!
Invented in canada
nope…but nice try
you can lay claim to a chunk of lacrosse though
@@bostonrailfan2427 baseball was invented in canada in 1478
@@TheManWithNoName93 no you blithering idiot: it’s just one of the first recorded games by that name. the name itself is older than that: it’s at least 260 years old. it’s in multiple newspapers from before that year. given that there’s a strong BRITISH link to Canada then it’s not the same baseball that you believe it to be: it’s a cousin of the sport, like rounders or one of the other mentioned games.
but i doubt uou care, you’re too lazy to bother researching
@counselthyself you do know that the tribes WERE NOT SLL IN CANADA, right?
the bulk of the originators WERE FROM THE UNITED STATES. Western and Upper New York/Pennsylvania area, not Quebec. so no, i was not wrong. just because the name was French due to the whites not pronouncing the native words DOES NOT MAJW IT CANADIAN
When they stole it from cricket
I had learned that cricket was popular in the 1800s, but as baseball grew in popularity, cricket players migrated over to baseball.
@@ericdailey8587 stole?
Baseball players are so scared of the ball they have to wear huge gloves to stop them hurting their hands. Cricket players must have a good laugh at that.
You must have totally forgot to mention that wicket keepers (Catcher) in cricket wear large padded gloves on both hands PLUS inner gloves.. Arguably the most spectacular catches taken are from wicketkeepers who gain a big lateral movement advantage knowing their hands are safer. It is a safety factor in any case and has always been part of baseball. If you think that it makes cricket more superior to baseball you need to start learning.
You might also ask yourself why do most of the national players of cricket teams wear basebll gloves when dong their warm ups prior to the commencement of most games these days?
@@flamingfrancis okay yes the wicket keeper wears gloves but look at their proximity. They are for safety. Your catchers are so swaddled in armor you would think they were on a bomb disposal team, so go on compare the two.
Baseball gloves are made to make the catching easier and less painful on the hands. Full stop.
Stop kidding yourself and do us a favor, use less words, you sound pretentious.
Oh and don’t even get me started on all the pads and helmets your “football” players use, that game easily compares to rugby, what is it with American sports is your toughness is only for show?
And a proper cricket game can last a week.
@@morefiction3264 5 days. For a test match. Sure. I never said it was an exciting game.
The other thing I've wondered. Have you ever played catch with someone with a baseball? Typically we'll stand 30 feet apart or so and throw a hardball as hard as we can at each other. And I do mean at each other. You target the shoulder, sometimes it's more at the face though.
It's one of the fundamental skills. Throwing and catching like that.
Now I understand why it's slow dry and boring ty fu
back on the short bus with you
Too bad I don't have a time machine to stop these villains from creating the most boring sport in history
More total horsesh!t to cover up the truth. The freemasons created baseball, thats why there is 3 strikes and 3 outs and 9 innings, in reference to 33rd degree masons! All you have see to KNOW THIS TRUTH is look downn at the field AND SEE THAT IT IS THE SHAPE OF A COMPASS AND SQUARE, the symbol of freemasonry! 90 feet between bases is a nod to 90 degree right angles, achieved by a square.
And yet you can’t help but being pressed at others enjoying it. Sad life.
Lol. We are not "untrollable" and I appreciate your comment OP. Made me laugh! It can be a dry game and not for everyone, agreed and I love the sport.
Just admit you can't understand it