I would say this is one of the best videos to go by on rowing finish. I have struggled with tennis elbow for ages now. I had a lower finish but it is very hard to keep a flat wrist with a lower finish. I have since done two sessions with a higher finish up to around chest height and found loads less forearm fatigue. What people need to remember is that you guys are well over 6 feet tall as are most rowers so the form will be slightly different. ie dont need to go as low at the catch if shorter and less shrug action at the finish - if that makes sense.
I’m new to indoor rowing and I LOVE your videos!!!!....they have taught me so much ...I’m a women of a ‘certain age’ and this is the best exercise I have ever done!!!!....I love my rowing machine now and look forward to my training sessions and it’s never a chore ( I have purchased a Concept D2......let me tell you it was not easy to get hold of one during this current 😷 pandemic!!!!).....💕
Thanks for the great videos! I've lost about 20kg (44 pounds) in the last 4 months with the use of an ergo machine and a decent change in diet. Your videos have dramatically improved my performance and in general made my rowing workouts a little easier on my body. Cheers!
Started with a waterrower, and this video really helped me a lot, some things i suspected others not, and the best message ever that got me into rowing, train towards your interest, towards what caters better to you. Keep it up, really useful videos.
For exactly the reasons you describe - greater stroke length, I’d always brought the handle up high, and in all honestly, the thought of early fatigue never occurred to me. I now make a conscious effort to adapt my form depending on how much I’ve got left in the tank!! Cheers mate :)
Excellent Austin. I know this vid is 4 years old, but it’s still pertinent. I’ve tried all three (plus more) variations over the years and have settled with the Bond/Murray approach. Like you suggest, 50/50 the fatigue over both of the smaller muscle groups wins the effort war. 💪
Great video man! I've been rowing for a year, so neither an expert nor beginner. I do know when I shrug my shoulders I can feel the burn (quite uncomfortable actually) so I consciously attempt to drop them and it helps a bunch. I can't do the tucked in version either as I'm on the short side at 5'6". Your recommendation is what works for me but I can see how everyone may land on a different preference.
Definitely feel the burn in the forearms after my last session (have only started this week, so may be that I'm using muscles I didn't know I had). Going to have to check my finish position and elbows, for sure!
I appreciate the conventional and unconventional rowing forms insight, comments and recommendations you made. It truly shows flexibility in the rowing form and no one way is perfect/the only way..
Perfect 100% agree and I found out the hard way. Trying not to "chicken wing" and keeping the arms too close made me feel my elbow too much. It started to make popping sounds even when not rowing. And then there was the burn from the friction of the arms against the body. So arms up. Maybe a bit too much because the shoulders started hurting. Right in the middle is where I am now and nothing hurts. Tightening the lats a bit already at the beginning of the pull also helped tremendously. I think you mentioned it in a previous video. Thank you for all you helpful videos!!!
I was working on this issue yesterday and this helped me realize, there's no 'right way'. So that's reassuring! I tried tucking my elbows in and boy are my forearms sore today!
Just started rowing as an add on running and your videos are a good help on learning the proper technique and I like the work outs as a guide! Plus you are funny thats a bonus 😁 thank you!
Recently, in my rowing journey ... my fingers have been giving out before the rest of my body, but after that.. I think I currently fit in the forearm category ... Ill try to be mindful and do the "between" option.
@@trainingtall noted =) ... yeah I think I was laxing my fingers too much at end of recovery and let the handle drop to finger tips and then was tensing them without putting handle back into my palm =P ... well at least its a good work out for finger strength haha!
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Although I row with my elbows at mid level, sometimes I do a few intervals with the elbows high or low, precisely for working the muscles at different angles and avoiding fatigue. Also it´s not entirely true that smaller muscles will fatigue sooner than bigger muscles. It all depends on load. Legs perform more than 60% of the effort while rowing but they are the bigger guys involved. The opposite is true for your arms (and actually it´s not only the arms that make the final pull, much of the back is involved too).
The “hypothenuse” effect is in fact even larger because you’re leaning back so it’s more then a 90 degrees triangle which means that the higher you bringing the handle the larger the stroke length
My shoulders and elbows are more up when I row. I think cause you got me to concentrate on keeping the handle high. From an early video. And look at this BEAST breaking out the BRAINS!! Now I’m gonna be all self conscious 🤣🤣🤣
Rowing with my elbows high seems to be when I don't think about it and then I tend tol lean back too much. Ideally, I like to bring my elbows midway and behind my back because I get a great squeeze in my lats but it is work for me! The low way is way to hard on my wrists. I'm small, about 5"4' and 107 lbs.
Cool video. I know I keep my elbows in, but not quite sure how high I bring the grip, so I’ll have to pay attention tomorrow. Thank you, good info here.
It’s horses for courses as the saying used to go People going for ergo times only and not rowing generally tend to pull high but to help muscle memory I draw below to the ribs with your moderate elbow height to keep the tap down as part of the action but when learning to sweep oar, you were encouraged to keep your elbows low but not tucked into your body to more reflect the action in the boat. On that high note, I must get out more often!! 😎
Good video. I saw Henrik doing his face pulls and thought it was weird, but you can't argue with his results. I'm pretty close to your 'arms in tight' example (slightly more out), but my elbows are back further, making my wrists less bent? I don't get any forearm fatigue and I'm able to recruit my lats. The handle touches at the bottom of my sternum, using the OTF Waterrower. I'm 6'5", and I find this is BY FAR my strongest position. Wooooo "Us" row challenge tomorrow!
Hey Ryan! Love the insight- and I agree... those top level guys ALL row differently haha, but their fitness is through the roof! I think there is nothing wrong with your technique - how'd your row go? I got 4426!
@@trainingtall Had a goal of 4200m, had a race plan and wanted to hold 1:35\36 and pick up pace at the end. Executed the plan and hit 4293m. My legs felt better than my last 2000m row, so I may have had a little more in me, but it's hard to plan a row that long when I've only ever done rowing at OTF and they rarely do anything that long (I only get to do 2G at my location). My last 2000m, I planned to hold 1:31 and speed up for the last 500m and aimed for 6:00min mark, but couldn't quite do it an ended with 6:04. The last 2000m benchmark was a while ago, so looking forward to the next one and seeing how I've improved.
BTW, if you don't already have a "race plan" video for the 2000m row, you should do one before the next benchmark. I follow Cam Nichol's "2k row" video from RowingWOD channel and it has helped me a lot. The mental stability you get from a solid plan really helps! Most people at OTF, I feel, just go in and an bang out 2000m without a plan at all, and die a slow terrible death at the 1200m mark, which is not helping them! Also, I really want to help people with their form - I've been told that OTF coaches can only help with form so many times before they're not allowed to mention it anymore (unless the persons asks for help). There are a few guys at my OTF that could really benefit from getting rid of some inefficiencies.
Just bought a water rower for my wife. I use it more than she does. Its one where the only resistance adjustment is to use more force. It’s very consistent and feels and sounds like being on the water. I like it so far and your videos have been a BIG help. Any suggestions going forward?
I'm also new to rowing and I have greatly benefited from your videos. I can't thank you enough for all of your help. I hurt my shoulders with bad swim technique which caused impingement and it took me about a year to fully recover after I fixed my technique. I want to make sure I don't impinge my shoulder tendons when I row and I think the "middle ground" position will reduce the chances of shoulder impingement. The key to fixing my swim stroke was to keep my elbows in the front of my plane. I think you keep your elbows in your front play, but just to make sure, do you ever let your elbows go past the front plane?
What if you grip the handle with your hands underneath? Then you can tuck your elbows without wrist flexion. This would activate your lats without any trade off I can see
Recently started rowing - love the feel in my lats. Thought I was doing great until the hubs caught me on video and I saw I had T-rex arms at the finish. Yikes! Tried a more elbows out approach, but felt like I was trying to flap wings like a bird. Thanks for this vid, I know the best is a mid-range, but now I don't feel so bad knowing some top rowers have similar form to me. Or, I have similar form to the top rowers!
I’m rowing 5 days a week so far for 30 min sessions. I went from 10, 15, and adding 5 minutes to each session. I’m a rower now; that’s my mental thought. I need to program my muscles. I need to perform 500m by 1.48min and then 2000m by 9.45min. I’m 140lbs, and if I lose anymore weight I’ll have to do the 2000m faster. The 500m takes priority. My best is 470m at 1.48min. I need to have the damper set at 5 also. I’m resting for two days and then I’ll test again.
As always Austin very useful info on rowing technique. Perhaps you can add a brief video focused on the grip. Although I’m very conscious of a loose grip, I´ve recently developed pain in my left hand (non dominant) which may be due to arthritis. I’m 60 but I´ve never had issues with arthritis in my hands therefore I’m wondering if somehow I´ve developed this from my grip. Oh well not going to stop me from getting on the ERG early tomorrow !! Row often Row well
I'm 57, have grip arthritic pain as well, just try and keep the your grip up high (keep as much pressure off the finger ends as possible) and tight, I use gloves sometimes but not sure if they help or not. The thing about arthritis is, it may be painful working out but it's way worse NOT working out.
Shouldn't the chain remain as horizontal as possible all the time? I mean the driving length matters but only if you can apply a strong colinear force along it. In the end the mechanical work is force times displacement. I'm not sure the body is good at applying vertical force in a rowing position. Also, please consider commenting on the animation that the PM5 monitor displays in "other options -> help -> How to row". The form shown there looks very optimal to me and I use it as a goal.
I think in general there is no right or wrong here. Depends very much on your make up and technique. If you have good drive and hip swing then probably more likely to have narrow elbows. If like me you've don't quite get everything out of the swing then you probably utilise the arms more also to gain most out of the stroke. I think this can be reflected and seen in the rowing curve on the monitor. I find mine seems to be very even with an equal amount of length on the before and after the peak (hope that makes sense) where I think those with more leg/hip dominance have have a longer decline after the peak. Not sure if I've explained that very well.
Very interesting and very informative, although very erg specific. But then, rowing on an erg and in a boat are two very different experiences. I do have a question though. Do any of these styles compliment a frontloaded or backloaded stroke? I.e. do the rowers row one way or the other because it is advantageous for the type of stroke they prefer? Honestly, I don't even know if frontloading or backloading is such an issue on an erg or if that is more a boat-rowing issue. I learnt to row one style and that's what I always stuck to, not too many questions asked (quick catch, lower stroke rate, but heavy emphasis on the finish, really sending the boat)...
Very very erg specific for sure! Hope you're doing well, Anne! :) It seems that crews are coached to row one specific way - dictated specifically by the coach for the crew/boat. Because if everyone was rowing in a way that just "worked for them", there would be no way to get the boat to move as quickly as if they were all rowing the same style, you know?
@@trainingtall Training Tall Definitely, you might get away with that on the erg, never in a crew. But then I never realized there were so many "erg styles". I prefer erging as close as possible to what I do in a boat though (so no bended wrists, no handle above the chest), just to not get bad habits. I'm doing well, hope you are too and keep up the awesome content :-)
Cool socks. I think your sock collection may rival mine! 🤔 That alone won you my sub! 😂. But seriously, cool socks, awesome content/videos. Enjoy your night, and make it an amazing week Training Tall!! 💪🏼
I've been rowing for a few years, I'm up to 40-50 minutes, why do my triceps burn? I'm even to the point I put 2 inch blocks under the back of the machine and wear weighted gloves (only 2lbs)
Hello. Do you think it may not be good to have an inverted grip of the hands (with the palm up) ...? it would simulate the movement that in Karate-Do is called Hikite.
do you know of any updates about the peloton rower? I read rumors from around when you made this video and I haven't seen any updates or confirmations :(. I see that you have it there in the background....
I guess I am guilty of just doing what normally felt the most comfortable to me. I normally use option 3. I never really contemplated the other options. I might use them until I fatigue my the smaller muscle groups as a way to workout different muscle groups.
I am under 5’ tall. 4’10.5” to be accurate my natural instinct as a newbie is to go moderate/high because I am fluffy (large belly) and I am big busted. As a shorter person is that (height) a factor or is it my fluffiness?
Hi Training Tall, I'm noticing that I am rowing with more power coming from my right side than my left, and that I'm really struggling to find balance and be able to evenly distribute power across my body. (I also have the same issue doing resistance training, I'm training my right side much more and my left is just supporting). Do you have any advice to remedy this as no matter how hard I try to consciously row with both sides I just can't seem to manage, thanks :)
Oh interesting! Not entirely sure why that may be happening, perhaps focusing on unilateral strength training movements for the back muscles and legs will help you balance things out!
Hey guys, I'm looking for an android app for tracking row-progress. Do you have any good suggestions? I don't have access to the PM5 so i'm on the lookout for any other app that could track both endurance and intervall training. Perhaps something where one could log intervalls and track average split times and SPM. While also being able to track long row distances. Any suggestions? :)
@@trainingtall I'm pretty well! Thanks! :) You're doing a good job with the channel.. You've grown alot! Keep it up! I've seen you back on the water! That's cool.. Still training for thriathlon?
I row for the fitness alone, not for being faster in a boat or being competitive in the sport. I would like to know the ultimate way to row from a fitness level alone, not necessary the fastest most competitive way. For example, I used to row quite upright and not working my abs but then I saw a clip you did and I started to stop at ~2'o'clock exaggerating from the optimal way to do it. My abs are a wreck two days later which tells me that it was a good workout for them and that is something I need to train.
Nice Analysis! I also believe to remember that this extreme high style of Stephansen is something quite erg specific. (some possible advantage on the erg but not necesseray in the boat). For boat/water purposes only, i think you are quite right, that it's a function of how much you lean back in the finish: ruclips.net/video/MnVpWP5BjIw/видео.html Stephansens leanback in this example is quite exaggerated and indeed he ends up with the ellbows high. For taller heavyweights you can look to the canadian 8+: ruclips.net/video/IUhKzLsOvMs/видео.html Massive lean-back=high ellbows.
I"ve watched your videos for over a year and try to emulate your techniques, very informative videos, I have a question, Is it possible that one leg would be shorter than the other? and would work more than the other on the pushing ,or is it a matter of strength.
Thank you, Anji! If one leg is slightly shorter than another, you would definitely feel the difference! I am not entirely sure how to work around this issue but I will look into it!
My spine is slightly curved, resulting in my left leg appearing very slightly shorter than the right. In fact both are the same length but the difference is caused by spinal curvature. As a result, my right leg pushes a bit more than the left and you can see a slight difference in my leg muscles.
i have both....curve and a structural leg difference.....thigh bone......am noticing it more the fitter and more flexible i get....not the same strength and/or an uneveness in push off/action
What if someone has skinny legs, say he uses a wheelchair(so he doesn't have to walk), and his arms are extrordinary big + good genetics for arms, and hes going to be this skinny dude with hudge arms, how would that work like, I bet his arms would be then stronger by legs and back together xD Wonder if that's even possible, but I mean I guess to a degree.
I would say this is one of the best videos to go by on rowing finish. I have struggled with tennis elbow for ages now. I had a lower finish but it is very hard to keep a flat wrist with a lower finish. I have since done two sessions with a higher finish up to around chest height and found loads less forearm fatigue. What people need to remember is that you guys are well over 6 feet tall as are most rowers so the form will be slightly different. ie dont need to go as low at the catch if shorter and less shrug action at the finish - if that makes sense.
Finally an answer!!! Moderate feels like I’m really in the boat rowing. Thank you so much.
I’m new to indoor rowing and I LOVE your videos!!!!....they have taught me so much ...I’m a women of a ‘certain age’ and this is the best exercise I have ever done!!!!....I love my rowing machine now and look forward to my training sessions and it’s never a chore ( I have purchased a Concept D2......let me tell you it was not easy to get hold of one during this current 😷 pandemic!!!!).....💕
Thanks for the great videos! I've lost about 20kg (44 pounds) in the last 4 months with the use of an ergo machine and a decent change in diet. Your videos have dramatically improved my performance and in general made my rowing workouts a little easier on my body. Cheers!
This totally made my day, Kym! So great to hear - I am glad my videos have helped you out! Keep up the amazing work!
OMG!! TRIED THIS TODAY!! NO PAIN! NO FATIGUE! THANK YOU!@
Yay! I am glad to hear it!
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Started with a waterrower, and this video really helped me a lot, some things i suspected others not, and the best message ever that got me into rowing, train towards your interest, towards what caters better to you. Keep it up, really useful videos.
For exactly the reasons you describe - greater stroke length, I’d always brought the handle up high, and in all honestly, the thought of early fatigue never occurred to me. I now make a conscious effort to adapt my form depending on how much I’ve got left in the tank!! Cheers mate :)
Excellent Austin. I know this vid is 4 years old, but it’s still pertinent. I’ve tried all three (plus more) variations over the years and have settled with the Bond/Murray approach. Like you suggest, 50/50 the fatigue over both of the smaller muscle groups wins the effort war. 💪
Love your videos . Thank you so much 😊
Great video. This is exactly the question that has been on my mind lately. Thanks, Austin!
Thanks a lot - I am glad you liked the video! Definitely a topic that needed some covering/analysis!
Great video man! I've been rowing for a year, so neither an expert nor beginner. I do know when I shrug my shoulders I can feel the burn (quite uncomfortable actually) so I consciously attempt to drop them and it helps a bunch. I can't do the tucked in version either as I'm on the short side at 5'6". Your recommendation is what works for me but I can see how everyone may land on a different preference.
You are the Jim Carrey of RUclips rowing
The best compliment ever!
Better looking
You should try acting.
Thanks! It was interesting to try the different arm positions. I like the moderate 'in between' approach. I always wondered about arm position.
That's the way to go!
Definitely feel the burn in the forearms after my last session (have only started this week, so may be that I'm using muscles I didn't know I had). Going to have to check my finish position and elbows, for sure!
I appreciate the conventional and unconventional rowing forms insight, comments and recommendations you made. It truly shows flexibility in the rowing form and no one way is perfect/the only way..
Thanks, Alfred!
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You are the best!! I am finally able to understand why my fore arms are tensing up!
Perfect 100% agree and I found out the hard way. Trying not to "chicken wing" and keeping the arms too close made me feel my elbow too much. It started to make popping sounds even when not rowing. And then there was the burn from the friction of the arms against the body.
So arms up. Maybe a bit too much because the shoulders started hurting.
Right in the middle is where I am now and nothing hurts.
Tightening the lats a bit already at the beginning of the pull also helped tremendously. I think you mentioned it in a previous video. Thank you for all you helpful videos!!!
Sounds like it has been quite the learning experience! Glad to hear things are working out well - and thank you for the support!
It’s the same when benching. The worst position for shoulders is elbows flared out. You want them at around 45 degrees not 90
Have been looking for this video! Should have known to come here first lol, thanks for the video!
Super useful, clear description. Thank you!
Love your video's 👍🏻 my technique really improved with your tips 💪🏻
Thank you, Wendy! I'm really glad to be a part of your fitness journey!
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Thanks for the video; actually thanks for all your videos. I just bought a water rowing machine and I’m learning a lot from you. 🙏🏻
Trying to "protect" my shoulders so thanks for the great explanation.
No worries, Craig! Thanks for watching!
I was working on this issue yesterday and this helped me realize, there's no 'right way'. So that's reassuring! I tried tucking my elbows in and boy are my forearms sore today!
Just started rowing as an add on running and your videos are a good help on learning the proper technique and I like the work outs as a guide! Plus you are funny thats a bonus 😁 thank you!
That means a lot - thank you!! :)
Please make a video about what splits are and how to track em.
Will do!
Recently, in my rowing journey ... my fingers have been giving out before the rest of my body, but after that.. I think I currently fit in the forearm category ... Ill try to be mindful and do the "between" option.
Oh interesting... definitely make sure you're gripping the handle at the base of your fingers (where they connect into your palm)!
@@trainingtall noted =) ... yeah I think I was laxing my fingers too much at end of recovery and let the handle drop to finger tips and then was tensing them without putting handle back into my palm =P ... well at least its a good work out for finger strength haha!
You are a great instructor!
Thank you, I try my best!
Lol I did it all 3 ways. Whenever it started burning to the point I couldn't pull with the same amount of power I would switch.
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Although I row with my elbows at mid level, sometimes I do a few intervals with the elbows high or low, precisely for working the muscles at different angles and avoiding fatigue. Also it´s not entirely true that smaller muscles will fatigue sooner than bigger muscles. It all depends on load. Legs perform more than 60% of the effort while rowing but they are the bigger guys involved. The opposite is true for your arms (and actually it´s not only the arms that make the final pull, much of the back is involved too).
Nice Hector - that's not a bad way to go about things! Appreciate you sharing!
The “hypothenuse” effect is in fact even larger because you’re leaning back so it’s more then a 90 degrees triangle which means that the higher you bringing the handle the larger the stroke length
From an overall strengthening standpoint, perhaps use each alternating every 500m. Great video and provocative thoughts! Thank you sir!
Thanks bro! I tried to make it a good conversation! Thanks for watching!
These are great thanks. Mainly a runner but will be rowing on alternating days for my core. Had my first session today. Thanks!
Awesome, Bre :) Hope it all goes well for you!! Keep up the great work!
Another informative and great video. Thank you Sir!
Neat insight and analysis. Many thanks.
Always really useful info - thanks !
I'm glad! Thanks Will!
That was super informative! Thanks a lot!!!
I'm glad! Thanks for watching!
My shoulders and elbows are more up when I row. I think cause you got me to concentrate on keeping the handle high. From an early video. And look at this BEAST breaking out the BRAINS!! Now I’m gonna be all self conscious 🤣🤣🤣
Haha I try to keep things as analytical as possible, you know? My best advice: instead of keeping the handle high, keep the handle level!
Rowing with my elbows high seems to be when I don't think about it and then I tend tol lean back too much. Ideally, I like to bring my elbows midway and behind my back because I get a great squeeze in my lats but it is work for me! The low way is way to hard on my wrists. I'm small, about 5"4' and 107 lbs.
Cool video. I know I keep my elbows in, but not quite sure how high I bring the grip, so I’ll have to pay attention tomorrow. Thank you, good info here.
very good examples!
Thanks Austin!! Always great to try and tweak performance with these small adjustments. Will look forward to the next session on the erg.
Hoping it goes well! Thanks a lot, Derek!
It’s horses for courses as the saying used to go
People going for ergo times only and not rowing generally tend to pull high but to help muscle memory I draw below to the ribs with your moderate elbow height to keep the tap down as part of the action but when learning to sweep oar, you were encouraged to keep your elbows low but not tucked into your body to more reflect the action in the boat. On that high note, I must get out more often!! 😎
Totally agree with everything you've said, Steve!!
Good video. I saw Henrik doing his face pulls and thought it was weird, but you can't argue with his results. I'm pretty close to your 'arms in tight' example (slightly more out), but my elbows are back further, making my wrists less bent? I don't get any forearm fatigue and I'm able to recruit my lats. The handle touches at the bottom of my sternum, using the OTF Waterrower. I'm 6'5", and I find this is BY FAR my strongest position. Wooooo "Us" row challenge tomorrow!
Hey Ryan! Love the insight- and I agree... those top level guys ALL row differently haha, but their fitness is through the roof! I think there is nothing wrong with your technique - how'd your row go? I got 4426!
@@trainingtall Had a goal of 4200m, had a race plan and wanted to hold 1:35\36 and pick up pace at the end. Executed the plan and hit 4293m. My legs felt better than my last 2000m row, so I may have had a little more in me, but it's hard to plan a row that long when I've only ever done rowing at OTF and they rarely do anything that long (I only get to do 2G at my location). My last 2000m, I planned to hold 1:31 and speed up for the last 500m and aimed for 6:00min mark, but couldn't quite do it an ended with 6:04. The last 2000m benchmark was a while ago, so looking forward to the next one and seeing how I've improved.
BTW, if you don't already have a "race plan" video for the 2000m row, you should do one before the next benchmark. I follow Cam Nichol's "2k row" video from RowingWOD channel and it has helped me a lot. The mental stability you get from a solid plan really helps! Most people at OTF, I feel, just go in and an bang out 2000m without a plan at all, and die a slow terrible death at the 1200m mark, which is not helping them! Also, I really want to help people with their form - I've been told that OTF coaches can only help with form so many times before they're not allowed to mention it anymore (unless the persons asks for help). There are a few guys at my OTF that could really benefit from getting rid of some inefficiencies.
You're awesome. Thanks from France!
Thank YOU!
Just bought a water rower for my wife. I use it more than she does. Its one where the only resistance adjustment is to use more force. It’s very consistent and feels and sounds like being on the water. I like it so far and your videos have been a BIG help. Any suggestions going forward?
Really glad they have helped, Dave! I would recommend following a training plan - I've got a few linked down in the description if you're interested!
I know why my traps were killing me, dropped my arms mid abs just below the xiphoid process at the end of my drive and my traps are fine thanks
Nice fix! Glad it worked out!
Nice vid, never really thought about how I have my elbow rowing tbh, defo something new to think about nd try some different variations 👍
It's definitely something to consider! Hope it all works out well for ya and is a fun learning experience!
good analysis! thank you.
Yea agree with you entirely. Find when I am getting Knackered my arms adopt the neutral position anyhow.
I'm also new to rowing and I have greatly benefited from your videos. I can't thank you enough for all of your help. I hurt my shoulders with bad swim technique which caused impingement and it took me about a year to fully recover after I fixed my technique. I want to make sure I don't impinge my shoulder tendons when I row and I think the "middle ground" position will reduce the chances of shoulder impingement. The key to fixing my swim stroke was to keep my elbows in the front of my plane. I think you keep your elbows in your front play, but just to make sure, do you ever let your elbows go past the front plane?
What if you grip the handle with your hands underneath? Then you can tuck your elbows without wrist flexion. This would activate your lats without any trade off I can see
potentially, but not as efficient on the ease of return/recovery than having a pronated grip!
So perfectly explained. Nice one big guy :)
Thanks a lot, Ollie!
Tes vidéos sont vraiment très utiles, merci beaucoup !
very good vision that there is not a formula to row perfectly
I think to "row on the water" perfectly, there is. But to row on the machine - I think you're right!
Your videos are helpful! thanks! Greeting from Ukraine!
Thank you for reaching out! Greetings to you, too!!
Recently started rowing - love the feel in my lats. Thought I was doing great until the hubs caught me on video and I saw I had T-rex arms at the finish. Yikes! Tried a more elbows out approach, but felt like I was trying to flap wings like a bird. Thanks for this vid, I know the best is a mid-range, but now I don't feel so bad knowing some top rowers have similar form to me. Or, I have similar form to the top rowers!
I'm glad it's going well for you! And glad you liked the vid :)
@@trainingtall It is going well! I've purchased your RYFO and some of your tees. Thank you!
I’m rowing 5 days a week so far for 30 min sessions. I went from 10, 15, and adding 5 minutes to each session. I’m a rower now; that’s my mental thought. I need to program my muscles. I need to perform 500m by 1.48min and then 2000m by 9.45min. I’m 140lbs, and if I lose anymore weight I’ll have to do the 2000m faster. The 500m takes priority. My best is 470m at 1.48min. I need to have the damper set at 5 also. I’m resting for two days and then I’ll test again.
As always Austin very useful info on rowing technique. Perhaps you can add a brief video focused on the grip. Although I’m very conscious of a loose grip, I´ve recently developed pain in my left hand (non dominant) which may be due to arthritis. I’m 60 but I´ve never had issues with arthritis in my hands therefore I’m wondering if somehow I´ve developed this from my grip. Oh well not going to stop me from getting on the ERG early tomorrow !! Row often Row well
I'm 57, have grip arthritic pain as well, just try and keep the your grip up high (keep as much pressure off the finger ends as possible) and tight, I use gloves sometimes but not sure if they help or not. The thing about arthritis is, it may be painful working out but it's way worse NOT working out.
Hey John! Thank you! Sorry to hear that you're dealing with some grip pain. I will make a video on this soon!
Shouldn't the chain remain as horizontal as possible all the time? I mean the driving length matters but only if you can apply a strong colinear force along it. In the end the mechanical work is force times displacement. I'm not sure the body is good at applying vertical force in a rowing position.
Also, please consider commenting on the animation that the PM5 monitor displays in "other options -> help -> How to row". The form shown there looks very optimal to me and I use it as a goal.
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I think in general there is no right or wrong here. Depends very much on your make up and technique. If you have good drive and hip swing then probably more likely to have narrow elbows. If like me you've don't quite get everything out of the swing then you probably utilise the arms more also to gain most out of the stroke. I think this can be reflected and seen in the rowing curve on the monitor. I find mine seems to be very even with an equal amount of length on the before and after the peak (hope that makes sense) where I think those with more leg/hip dominance have have a longer decline after the peak. Not sure if I've explained that very well.
Beginner sat here with burning delts saying "yup" that's what I was doing.
No brained, elbows out, pulling into the bottom of your chest/top of your abs. I’m new but it’s the only thing that even feels natural.
I’ll definitely have a pint of what he’s drinking.... 🍺
Very interesting and very informative, although very erg specific. But then, rowing on an erg and in a boat are two very different experiences. I do have a question though. Do any of these styles compliment a frontloaded or backloaded stroke? I.e. do the rowers row one way or the other because it is advantageous for the type of stroke they prefer? Honestly, I don't even know if frontloading or backloading is such an issue on an erg or if that is more a boat-rowing issue. I learnt to row one style and that's what I always stuck to, not too many questions asked (quick catch, lower stroke rate, but heavy emphasis on the finish, really sending the boat)...
Very very erg specific for sure! Hope you're doing well, Anne! :) It seems that crews are coached to row one specific way - dictated specifically by the coach for the crew/boat. Because if everyone was rowing in a way that just "worked for them", there would be no way to get the boat to move as quickly as if they were all rowing the same style, you know?
@@trainingtall Training Tall Definitely, you might get away with that on the erg, never in a crew. But then I never realized there were so many "erg styles". I prefer erging as close as possible to what I do in a boat though (so no bended wrists, no handle above the chest), just to not get bad habits. I'm doing well, hope you are too and keep up the awesome content :-)
ruclips.net/video/eqVmMd7FdAA/видео.html or you can row this way on the ERG
Cool socks. I think your sock collection may rival mine! 🤔 That alone won you my sub! 😂. But seriously, cool socks, awesome content/videos. Enjoy your night, and make it an amazing week Training Tall!! 💪🏼
Love the math! Good job.
Haha thanks! I've always been a math guy!
I love you in your sports spirit
Thank you, Mahmud!
I feel vindicated 💝
Yeah. Rowing aka. Jim Carey. You are a good trainer
Haha thank you! I get that reference all the time!
I have AC separation in my left shoulder. Curious to see how that's going to affect my technique.
I've been rowing for a few years, I'm up to 40-50 minutes, why do my triceps burn? I'm even to the point I put 2 inch blocks under the back of the machine and wear weighted gloves (only 2lbs)
Okay! Now I'm a bit more educated on optimal rowing form for people like me - normal folks!
YES! Way to take time to educate yourself to further improve your awesome rowing :)
Hello. Do you think it may not be good to have an inverted grip of the hands (with the palm up) ...? it would simulate the movement that in Karate-Do is called Hikite.
do you know of any updates about the peloton rower? I read rumors from around when you made this video and I haven't seen any updates or confirmations :(. I see that you have it there in the background....
I guess I am guilty of just doing what normally felt the most comfortable to me. I normally use option 3. I never really contemplated the other options. I might use them until I fatigue my the smaller muscle groups as a way to workout different muscle groups.
Maybe elbow down for long distance minimum energy spending, elbow up short distance plus energy spending
Great video! I use the moderate or natural form, but I am going to try the higher pull in warmups to build my shoulders and traps 👍
Not a bad idea to throw a few strokes like that in!
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I am under 5’ tall. 4’10.5” to be accurate my natural instinct as a newbie is to go moderate/high because I am fluffy (large belly) and I am big busted. As a shorter person is that (height) a factor or is it my fluffiness?
Hi Training Tall, I'm noticing that I am rowing with more power coming from my right side than my left, and that I'm really struggling to find balance and be able to evenly distribute power across my body. (I also have the same issue doing resistance training, I'm training my right side much more and my left is just supporting). Do you have any advice to remedy this as no matter how hard I try to consciously row with both sides I just can't seem to manage, thanks :)
Oh interesting! Not entirely sure why that may be happening, perhaps focusing on unilateral strength training movements for the back muscles and legs will help you balance things out!
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As an ex swimmer I tend to flare my elbows more simply because my shoulders are well developed, but I understand that form isn't ideal for everyone.
are you related to jim carey? thnx for the tips just found you today
Haha I get that reference all the time - but no! Thanks for watching!! :)
Hey guys,
I'm looking for an android app for tracking row-progress. Do you have any good suggestions? I don't have access to the PM5 so i'm on the lookout for any other app that could track both endurance and intervall training. Perhaps something where one could log intervalls and track average split times and SPM. While also being able to track long row distances. Any suggestions? :)
Why not change while rowing?
Consistency is better than inconsistency!
@@trainingtall ok, but if you row for fitness, it would make sense to switch.
At 2:10 min, you are the man! :D :D
Thanks, Mattia!! Hope you're doing well!!
@@trainingtall I'm pretty well! Thanks! :) You're doing a good job with the channel.. You've grown alot! Keep it up! I've seen you back on the water! That's cool.. Still training for thriathlon?
I row for the fitness alone, not for being faster in a boat or being competitive in the sport.
I would like to know the ultimate way to row from a fitness level alone, not necessary the fastest most competitive way.
For example, I used to row quite upright and not working my abs but then I saw a clip you did and I started to stop at ~2'o'clock exaggerating from the optimal way to do it.
My abs are a wreck two days later which tells me that it was a good workout for them and that is something I need to train.
The conclusion I came to in the video is what I would recommend for those using the rowing machine as a general fitness tool!
Nice Analysis!
I also believe to remember that this extreme high style of Stephansen is something quite erg specific. (some possible advantage on the erg but not necesseray in the boat).
For boat/water purposes only, i think you are quite right, that it's a function of how much you lean back in the finish:
ruclips.net/video/MnVpWP5BjIw/видео.html
Stephansens leanback in this example is quite exaggerated and indeed he ends up with the ellbows high.
For taller heavyweights you can look to the canadian 8+:
ruclips.net/video/IUhKzLsOvMs/видео.html
Massive lean-back=high ellbows.
i can't believe you dissed arms like that
I"ve watched your videos for over a year and try to emulate your techniques, very informative videos, I have a question, Is it possible that one leg would be shorter than the other? and would work more than the other on the pushing ,or is it a matter of strength.
Thank you, Anji! If one leg is slightly shorter than another, you would definitely feel the difference! I am not entirely sure how to work around this issue but I will look into it!
My spine is slightly curved, resulting in my left leg appearing very slightly shorter than the right. In fact both are the same length but the difference is caused by spinal curvature. As a result, my right leg pushes a bit more than the left and you can see a slight difference in my leg muscles.
i have both....curve and a structural leg difference.....thigh bone......am noticing it more the fitter and more flexible i get....not the same strength and/or an uneveness in push off/action
You're so friggin lean. Goals for sure.
I appreciate it, thank you!
I love your socks ❤🇨🇵
Thank you, Nay!!
What if someone has skinny legs, say he uses a wheelchair(so he doesn't have to walk), and his arms are extrordinary big + good genetics for arms, and hes going to be this skinny dude with hudge arms, how would that work like, I bet his arms would be then stronger by legs and back together xD
Wonder if that's even possible, but I mean I guess to a degree.
HAHA YES I GUESS IN THAT SCENARIO YOU ARE RIGHT!! haha
I 💖 your socks!
I've bought a water rowing machine. It's commonly known as a boat.
Nice straight runs on an estuary, does it for me. Lovely views, wildlife, etc.
Not of both! The Handle is to high. With this technique you make your stroke „synthetical“ longer.
So- it’s Goldilocks all over again...
It's confirmed, every rower on the planet wears funky socks, and each one of us have a favourite banana pair 😁👌 fantastic
HAHA! So truu! And thank you!
Up or down depends on the body-part and the event. A little joke there.
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