It seems understandable why it would be a fusion between ToS and JJ. Source material on one side and the 'modern' aesthetic that new viewers who have only seen the new movies can latch on to
David Sastre. I dont think its so mich a JJ inspired look as both Discovery and JJ are incorporating modern design into 60s source material. The result is bound to be similar.
Said it before and I'll say it again. I'm thinking of TMP as the *visual* reboot, events remain but the aesthetic is not canon. I know it's not officially a reboot, but since everything is different down to the food they eat (bye bye silly colored block food), I don't think the extent of the changes are fully explained by just going a few years into the future. It really is just like how they described the refit of the ship, entirely new built on the bones of the old show. Using that logic TOS visually becomes its own wonderfully quirky, fun, self contained thing. Discovery is tasked with creating the aesthetic for this era, taking cues from ENT and TMP, as that is established visual canon book ending this era. Sprinkle a little TOS inspiration in for the fans even though it's not strictly mandatory.... They haven't been perfect, but I think they've done a generally good job with that, maintained a lot of the colors and architecture but updating the displays and internals. There's issues with that idea, like "In a Mirror Darkly", "Trials and Tribbilations", and the ENT retcon of the smooth foreheaded Klingons becomes unnecessary. But overall just sucking it up, remembering that it's fiction, just letting those episodes be fun fan service stories, which they were, rather than serious canon. I think that's less of a visual mess than trying to fit the TOS look in the timeline. You can argue whether that should have been the case, whether ENT and TMP should have remained closer to the TOS look, but given what we actually have, that's the most elegant solution in my mind. Today > ENT > DIS > TMP > TNG.
Major refits which pretty much strip a ship down to the hull and then build it back up again are fairly common in todays Navy and in many ways starfleet is based on the navy so major refits on starships makes perfect sense! the five year mission was at an end and the Enterprise returned to drydock for an extensive overhaul to prepare it for future engagements! i wouldn't call it any kind of reboot, visual or otherwise! and as for the smooth headed klingons! before that ent retcon there was no in universe explanation for why tos klingons had smooth foreheads! that was needed to explain a major visual inconsistency!
Grant Albrecht I couldn't agree more, yes everyone feels they could've updated the look making continuity the top priority but they didn't. I'm getting tired of hearing the same lame snark comments about Canon. I hope it tells a great story and is the starting point to a true trek visual reboot through the eras, also not a popular truth but just like Disney took somethings from the ext. Star Wars universe and made somethings Canon and others not. The company that owns the IP is the one that determines canon no matter good or bad that's the way it is.
I've made a similar point to people who were trying to say that the JJ star trek was not canon! it is by virtue of the fact that they currently have the rights to the franchise and are authorized to produced works based on that IP. I'm willing to give STD the benefit of the doubt at the moment! I will watch the entire run before making up my mind and even when I do I'll concede that my personal opinion won't be to everyone's taste! I would tweak a few things from what I've seen like the uniforms and the computer displays to make it appear more TOS but I'm not gonna boycott it based on what I've seen
Grant Albrecht Exactly! I was just about to comment on the TOS movies. Obviously TOS was a product if its time. If they want to retcon the 60s look they still could. What they could do is just never show the interior of Constitution Class ships. For all we know Constitution Class ships were the only ships fitted with bright yellows and reds.
katakisLives I don't have a problem with the ship being rebuilt. But the point is that it's not just the ship, nothing is the same. The uniforms, the computer interfaces, color schemes, corridor/room architecture, the warp core, weapon effects, warp drive effect, even the food they eat... every single thing is *radically* different. How different does a navy ship and its crew really look pre and post ground up refit. Outside if the shape of the ship itself there is probably as much if not more changing in that refit than there is between the refit and the Enterprise-E. Yes the Enterprise Klingon explanation is great and totally works but I don't think for a second that when they redesigned them for TMP that they had an explanation for it, it was a just a redesign, as was everything else. The only reason it wasn't officially a visual reboot was because it was set forward in the timeline, so at the time you could turn a blind eye and just call it advancement, even if the extent of the changes is imho implausible in such a short time. But now that the timeline has subsequently been fleshed out into the past and future, I think we have to come back to TMP and call it what it is, a reboot that started the canon Trek aesthetic. The primary color on the uniforms worked their way back into TNG, but apart from that everything is TMP inspired not TOS. As sacrilegious as it is, TOS is the anomaly, not ENT and DIS.
DrewLSsix That's a neat idea. Maybe the holodisplay could only be seen from a narrow POV which is why it wasn't seen in TOS. The original display was too small anyway to show much detail.
Just a redesigned Star Trek III tricorder, with the round select button and wide angle, close up select square buttons, needs a shoulder strap and I guess the display pops up to activate.
I think it's time for everyone to ask the main question and really press the show runners for an explanation. Is Discovery a reboot or re-imagining. Why do they dodge the question or blame it on the fact it's 2017. Ent, DS9, and TNG had no problem with the TOS visuals being re-used. I think Stuart and Sam it's time to ask those questions directly at the source. Finally put it all to rest and everyone can move on. What are the show runners really afraid of???
On the pic that shows the LCARS it looks like the three buttons to the left of the screen correspond to the three arrows on the left side of the display. Same the five buttons across the middle might correspond to the five icons at the bottom of the screen.
So if I focus purely on the functionality (with a visual reboot). Do we know what the purpose of that button from the JJ-verse is? Secondly, is that a voice input I see there next to the screen on the TOS-tricorder or is that something else?
Totally love this one, must have been designed before fuller left and they couldn't afford to change it lol. It even has that kind of brownish black of the 60s that really gives it a "The Cage" look.
I like this tricorder, thou it really needs a strap. I am hoping the display area pops up when in use. The thing about a Discovery tricorder is we never saw a Cage/WNMHGB one, so they really were able to do anything at this point as long as it was a forbear to the TOS one. Interesting note: I just watched TOS "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and Kirk and Spock DID use the Cage style Laser and clear acrylic communicator in that episode!
We have seen the Tricorder screen being viewed in episodes of TOS, in these scenes where you see Spock holding the Tricorder facing outwards with no imformation on the screen I've always thought there was no need for information to be displayed at this point because Spock was probably getting his information readout more from audio cues rather than a visual readout
I want my tricorder to fold. Whether it's Spock's or Data's it needs to fold. We know something cool is going to happen when they open their tricorder. And... Spock was smart enough to read the data upside down or right side up. It wouldn't phase him either way.
What I don't understand is that the props all look based off of TOS or Enterprise but all of the displays are CLEARLY JJ-verse style. I think they should have made up their mind more about what the style of their show is gonna be.
They are trying to please the prime timeline fans and the people who discovered the franchise through the JJ movies both at once! they want it to be a show that doesn't alienate the new fans or the old fans and thats not an easy thing to achieve
The props for Discovery do look amazing. As is tradition with all landing party mission/away mission you need the trifecta of gear (communicator, phaser, tricorder) but in today's reality the tricorder and communicator should be one unit.
The "circle" is on the Star Trek III tricorder. Which is what this tricorder reminded me of. In fact expect for the pop-up screen, this new one has a lot of elements from it. So let's just say they're paying homage to the movie series instead rather than Abrams :)
I have a theory on the uniforms. The ones used by the crews of Discovery and Shenzou are working/ tactical uniforms. Kind of like the excursion gear from Enterprise, or the Hazard suits from the Elite Force games. The metal division colors could be a kind of armor. The blue parts might just be a top covering over the metal. It might make an energy blast do less damage, by dissipating the energy.
Would be simply like with modern pc monitors etc that the viewing angle has an impact on the viibility there, seems that might be the most sensical explanation? Hm ST:D can be really groundbreaking almost if they really include displays in close ups too, like showing tricorder readings , setting phasers etc?
It reminds me of the Star Trek III tricorder. Heck, the round part on the front looks much more like the one on the STIII: TSFS tricorder than the JJversion.
Oh man, not so sure TOS will ever go to 4K (would the film footage even have enough clarity to bother going to that high of a res?) - but I feel like another remaster would be cool. Just up the CG quality a bit for the ships, add a few bells and whistles like the tricorder screens... that'd be cool.
Kelvin-inspired doesn't bother me. It actually makes sense that the next generation of Star Trek fans have been introduced to Star Trek through the 2009 three movies. They need to watch this and feel it is Star Trek, just like we need to. So to pull from TOS *and* from Kelvin makes sense to me.
Looks good, almost like a 90s Sony of some sort. I really don't get the repeated callbacks to JJTrek throughout though. My money is there being some sort of connection to the JJ timeline.
They can't go prime timeline because of licence issued as made with paramount/ bad robot licence. Hence uniform can't be the same and why so much looks Kelvin timeline
This one with the hand holding it looks like a toy where you put your smartphone in and run the app that goes with it. Like the pip boy from fallout that came with the se version.
The USS discovedry shouldn't be using the "delta" since each ship had it's own insignia until after TOS. The Enterprise was the only ship to use the Delta insignia with a secondary design to denote department. After the TOS missions Starfleet made the enterprise insignia the official insignia for starfleet.
I do not understand Samuel's comments. Genuinely am confused. Samuel, you basically said that it's somewhere between ENT and TOS in terms of tech and shape and then you said that it's Trek but devoid of any sense of era - what? Seems to me that it's doing EXACTLY what you wanted it to do.
Not sure the big knob is a JJVerse influence; take a look at the Star Trek III Tricorder. imho The Tricorder, Phaser and Communicator they got right. Other things not so much.
Samuel...I agree with you much of the time...but on this...I think you are out to lunch. These props have the look and feel of TOS, created at a time when much more plausible future tech could have been used. How you can possibly say that these items don't scream Trek is beyond me. Even you seem to want an update to the 60's tricorder display if they re-render in 4K...so what's the problem with this one? Almost every piece of tech I've seen so far brings me back to the TOS. Loved them all then and I think I'll like the new ones even more. After almost 50 years of watching Trek...I am excited to see where Discovery will take us. I'm just finding it hard to listen to you when you continually say "it could be from any sci-fi franchise." Please keep up the great work....while our opinions may differ...your love for Trek is clear. Stuart...please work on your audio levels...sometimes we just can't hear you...and I know I'm not the only one missing out on your insights. Cheers.
I have a quick question that is NOT related to Discovery. Remember in Star Trek VI when Praxis exploded and destroyed the ozone layer on Qo'nos which means that in 50 years it will be uninhabitable? How come in TNG, which takes place 60-70 years after the event, we see episodes that still take place on Qo'nos, even though that by that time it should be uninhabitable?
The reason why Qo'nos was not an uninhabitable wasteland was because of the kittomer accords! one of the prime motivators for the Klingons to come to the negotiation table was that their bloated military budget would have made dealing with the fallout from the explosion of praxis impossible! they needed peace in order to focus all their resources on preventing this fallout from creating an ecological disaster on their homeworld! because they were at peace with the federation they were able to deal with the situation before it became irreversible!
katakisLives. Do you suppose they were back on their feet 50 ish years later? Thats when the C was lost and in the alternate timeline the Klingons were winning a war against the federation 22 years after that. They must have had some significant power by that point.
star trek rights are scattered across multiple companies, existing copyright laws prevent the use of designs in Discovery that look too much like they are crossing those laws.
Leonard Nimoy held the Tricorder that way for the audience to see the more interesting side of the prop, compared to just seeing the plain, black back of it. Granted it makes more sense holding it the right way, but that's why Spock held it so. There's no real canon reason as to why as far as I know.
I was always wanderig about spock and the tricorder. I have two theories. 1. He's only usingvthe tricorder to confirm via sounds what he already knows or has theorised about thatis gas akready calculated and us only looking for confirmation 2. He's mindmeldibg with the tricorder to avoid having to look at the screen 2.a. the screen rotates like in modern phones and computers
Well I think the audio cues theory is the most likely to be true! even in TNG you see then on an away mission and the sounds emitting from the tricorder change depending upon what is being scanned and if there is a hazardous substance being detected
Kristijan One theory I've read from one of the old sources said that Spock, by holding the tricorder backwards, created a sympathetic vibration (feedback loop) to get more range, resonance and penetration. He could also hear audio frequencies that humans can not so he's not dependent on the display.
The show is set like 2 centuries after we all started carrying pocket computers everywhere that were perfectly capable of flipping the display whichever way up it needs to be. Perhaps the technology was saved from whatever disaster wiped out our knowledge of fuses.
TOS tried to make technology that seemed fantastical and completely detached from what people were familiar with. TNG took what TOS had made and pushed it one hundred years into the future. This looks like crap I could pick up at the hardware store.
You can't be serious...have you ever seen a walkie talkie from the era...microphone/speaker looks awfully similar to the one on a communicator. Switches and knobs...that was so detached from the 60's for sure. I'm not complaining about their props...but please get a grip...the props were completely influenced by the tech of the time. Right down to the "Photon Torpedos." I give these prop designers kudos for trying to stay true to the ascetic of TOS using modern design methods.
I hope the delta insignia isn't on every Starfleet ship, uniform and device in this show and I hope there will be some unique insignias like there were in the original series.
TOS gadgets were restricted by technology, materials and money. It wouldn't make sense to purely copy back from the aesthetics of TOS. This tricorder looks star trek. Guardian of forever ep was largely set outside of TOS gadgets and look but it was so very Trek. As long as the stories and characters are recognisable as trek then all is good. I, for one, cannot wait for DIS to start!!!
Did anyone else notice that the photo of the new tricorder has a woman's torso, emphasizing the boobs, on its screen? Seriously! Look! It's there! There is a woman's torso and arms in a blue sweater on the screen.
Everyone has to retcon their brains and pretend that TOS looks like this. It would be ridiculous to have this show look like TOS. We have more advanced technology right now than TOS, so just pretend that theirs looked like this. I agree that is does have an after Enterprise feel. I like it, everyone would roll their eyes if this show looked like TOS, it is not logical.
I like the phasers and I like the tricorders in the communicators for Discovery I don't like the discovery ship and I don't like the other ship I seen the Klingon ships look awful and the alien races look awful the uniforms I can except I'd rather get them Dunham's the JJ version of original uniforms it's only thing JJ got right
Awesome props. Could the crap about CBS and Paramount be true'? And that was the reason why in the 50th Anniversary no TV material was produced? I wonder if, this is just my theory, then Discovery is indeed Prime Timeline but they opted to just change the aesthetics because of the CBS and Paramount copyright shit. If my theory is true, then I think it might be worth it as a new entry in the Prime Timeline and we just have to ignore the changes, to a certain extent of course. This is basically what Ross did with Renegades, he changed names and other stuff, but the story is the same. To me at least, Renegades is also Prime. CBS and Paramount need to get their act together, preferably sooner than later, because they are the ones playing with our favorite property. We don't play with it, we all love it. After all Star Trek is One thing, not a few things with different interpretations. But that is just my opinion.
It seems understandable why it would be a fusion between ToS and JJ. Source material on one side and the 'modern' aesthetic that new viewers who have only seen the new movies can latch on to
David Sastre. I dont think its so mich a JJ inspired look as both Discovery and JJ are incorporating modern design into 60s source material. The result is bound to be similar.
Said it before and I'll say it again. I'm thinking of TMP as the *visual* reboot, events remain but the aesthetic is not canon. I know it's not officially a reboot, but since everything is different down to the food they eat (bye bye silly colored block food), I don't think the extent of the changes are fully explained by just going a few years into the future. It really is just like how they described the refit of the ship, entirely new built on the bones of the old show.
Using that logic TOS visually becomes its own wonderfully quirky, fun, self contained thing. Discovery is tasked with creating the aesthetic for this era, taking cues from ENT and TMP, as that is established visual canon book ending this era. Sprinkle a little TOS inspiration in for the fans even though it's not strictly mandatory.... They haven't been perfect, but I think they've done a generally good job with that, maintained a lot of the colors and architecture but updating the displays and internals.
There's issues with that idea, like "In a Mirror Darkly", "Trials and Tribbilations", and the ENT retcon of the smooth foreheaded Klingons becomes unnecessary. But overall just sucking it up, remembering that it's fiction, just letting those episodes be fun fan service stories, which they were, rather than serious canon. I think that's less of a visual mess than trying to fit the TOS look in the timeline. You can argue whether that should have been the case, whether ENT and TMP should have remained closer to the TOS look, but given what we actually have, that's the most elegant solution in my mind. Today > ENT > DIS > TMP > TNG.
Major refits which pretty much strip a ship down to the hull and then build it back up again are fairly common in todays Navy and in many ways starfleet is based on the navy so major refits on starships makes perfect sense! the five year mission was at an end and the Enterprise returned to drydock for an extensive overhaul to prepare it for future engagements! i wouldn't call it any kind of reboot, visual or otherwise! and as for the smooth headed klingons! before that ent retcon there was no in universe explanation for why tos klingons had smooth foreheads! that was needed to explain a major visual inconsistency!
Grant Albrecht I couldn't agree more, yes everyone feels they could've updated the look making continuity the top priority but they didn't. I'm getting tired of hearing the same lame snark comments about Canon. I hope it tells a great story and is the starting point to a true trek visual reboot through the eras, also not a popular truth but just like Disney took somethings from the ext. Star Wars universe and made somethings Canon and others not. The company that owns the IP is the one that determines canon no matter good or bad that's the way it is.
I've made a similar point to people who were trying to say that the JJ star trek was not canon! it is by virtue of the fact that they currently have the rights to the franchise and are authorized to produced works based on that IP. I'm willing to give STD the benefit of the doubt at the moment! I will watch the entire run before making up my mind and even when I do I'll concede that my personal opinion won't be to everyone's taste! I would tweak a few things from what I've seen like the uniforms and the computer displays to make it appear more TOS but I'm not gonna boycott it based on what I've seen
Grant Albrecht Exactly! I was just about to comment on the TOS movies. Obviously TOS was a product if its time. If they want to retcon the 60s look they still could. What they could do is just never show the interior of Constitution Class ships. For all we know Constitution Class ships were the only ships fitted with bright yellows and reds.
katakisLives I don't have a problem with the ship being rebuilt. But the point is that it's not just the ship, nothing is the same. The uniforms, the computer interfaces, color schemes, corridor/room architecture, the warp core, weapon effects, warp drive effect, even the food they eat... every single thing is *radically* different. How different does a navy ship and its crew really look pre and post ground up refit. Outside if the shape of the ship itself there is probably as much if not more changing in that refit than there is between the refit and the Enterprise-E. Yes the Enterprise Klingon explanation is great and totally works but I don't think for a second that when they redesigned them for TMP that they had an explanation for it, it was a just a redesign, as was everything else. The only reason it wasn't officially a visual reboot was because it was set forward in the timeline, so at the time you could turn a blind eye and just call it advancement, even if the extent of the changes is imho implausible in such a short time. But now that the timeline has subsequently been fleshed out into the past and future, I think we have to come back to TMP and call it what it is, a reboot that started the canon Trek aesthetic. The primary color on the uniforms worked their way back into TNG, but apart from that everything is TMP inspired not TOS. As sacrilegious as it is, TOS is the anomaly, not ENT and DIS.
It actually appears to be a derivative of the Star Trek III tricorder. That's also when that large button made its first appearance.
They're still using LCD displays in the 23rd century? Damn, I was saving up for an OLED tv but I guess I won't bother now.
In the trailer you can clearly see the pixels and shoddy viewing angle, particularly under studio lighting.
Calm down dear
My assumptions do not require you to.
Are you aware that the magic actions plugin shows who likes posts? For example, you liking your own, continually?
Na man CRT's are making a come back on the next generation of ships 😀
I would dig a tos style screen that looks like a tiny crt but is shown to be some really awesome 3D holodisplay in the show...
DrewLSsix That's a neat idea. Maybe the holodisplay could only be seen from a narrow POV which is why it wasn't seen in TOS. The original display was too small anyway to show much detail.
Just a redesigned Star Trek III tricorder, with the round select button and wide angle, close up select square buttons, needs a shoulder strap and I guess the display pops up to activate.
I think it's time for everyone to ask the main question and really press the show runners for an explanation. Is Discovery a reboot or re-imagining. Why do they dodge the question or blame it on the fact it's 2017. Ent, DS9, and TNG had no problem with the TOS visuals being re-used. I think Stuart and Sam it's time to ask those questions directly at the source. Finally put it all to rest and everyone can move on. What are the show runners really afraid of???
On the pic that shows the LCARS it looks like the three buttons to the left of the screen correspond to the three arrows on the left side of the display. Same the five buttons across the middle might correspond to the five icons at the bottom of the screen.
So if I focus purely on the functionality (with a visual reboot). Do we know what the purpose of that button from the JJ-verse is?
Secondly, is that a voice input I see there next to the screen on the TOS-tricorder or is that something else?
Totally love this one, must have been designed before fuller left and they couldn't afford to change it lol. It even has that kind of brownish black of the 60s that really gives it a "The Cage" look.
The hand held tech looks pretty Damn good so far. Can't wait to see what's next.
Captain, where’d you get your TOS Tricorder? It’s awesome!
I like this tricorder, thou it really needs a strap. I am hoping the display area pops up when in use. The thing about a Discovery tricorder is we never saw a Cage/WNMHGB one, so they really were able to do anything at this point as long as it was a forbear to the TOS one.
Interesting note: I just watched TOS "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and Kirk and Spock DID use the Cage style Laser and clear acrylic communicator in that episode!
We have seen the Tricorder screen being viewed in episodes of TOS, in these scenes where you see Spock holding the Tricorder facing outwards with no imformation on the screen I've always thought there was no need for information to be displayed at this point because Spock was probably getting his information readout more from audio cues rather than a visual readout
I don't remember what site it was on, but I saw a picture of the back of the tricorder and fortunately it doesn't have a delta on it.
I want my tricorder to fold. Whether it's Spock's or Data's it needs to fold. We know something cool is going to happen when they open their tricorder. And... Spock was smart enough to read the data upside down or right side up. It wouldn't phase him either way.
I can relate too this
What I don't understand is that the props all look based off of TOS or Enterprise but all of the displays are CLEARLY JJ-verse style. I think they should have made up their mind more about what the style of their show is gonna be.
They are trying to please the prime timeline fans and the people who discovered the franchise through the JJ movies both at once! they want it to be a show that doesn't alienate the new fans or the old fans and thats not an easy thing to achieve
JakeTheGearHeart JJ verse style lol. So it looks modern? That's how it should look.
The props for Discovery do look amazing. As is tradition with all landing party mission/away mission you need the trifecta of gear (communicator, phaser, tricorder) but in today's reality the tricorder and communicator should be one unit.
The "circle" is on the Star Trek III tricorder. Which is what this tricorder reminded me of. In fact expect for the pop-up screen, this new one has a lot of elements from it. So let's just say they're paying homage to the movie series instead rather than Abrams :)
Everything has the delta on it because the show's being made under Paramount's license, which means it's not really "prime".
I have a theory on the uniforms. The ones used by the crews of Discovery and Shenzou are working/ tactical uniforms. Kind of like the excursion gear from Enterprise, or the Hazard suits from the Elite Force games. The metal division colors could be a kind of armor. The blue parts might just be a top covering over the metal. It might make an energy blast do less damage, by dissipating the energy.
Cool...the new Tricorder look like a little bit like old Radios from the 30s, 40s and 50s and so.
The tricorder looks to me more like the ST3 tricorder than the TOS or Kelvin ones. The ST3 tricorder even had the big round button 25 years before JJ.
First piece of tech that i can actually buy being from the time-frame it's supposed to be. That's worth a cookie.
I think it needs a shoulder strap, but otherwise it looks alright. At least they didn't use a TNG kind of tricorder aesthetic.
Would be simply like with modern pc monitors etc that the viewing angle has an impact on the viibility there, seems that might be the most sensical explanation?
Hm ST:D can be really groundbreaking almost if they really include displays in close ups too, like showing tricorder readings , setting phasers etc?
It reminds me a bit of the TOS, TMP, and ST: V/VI tricorders (especially those last ones)
Anyone else notice the buttons are I/O (on/off) buttons? Used on virtually everything today.
It reminds me of the Star Trek III tricorder. Heck, the round part on the front looks much more like the one on the STIII: TSFS tricorder than the JJversion.
Oh man, not so sure TOS will ever go to 4K (would the film footage even have enough clarity to bother going to that high of a res?) - but I feel like another remaster would be cool. Just up the CG quality a bit for the ships, add a few bells and whistles like the tricorder screens... that'd be cool.
The desert gear reminds me of Star Trek V.
Kelvin-inspired doesn't bother me. It actually makes sense that the next generation of Star Trek fans have been introduced to Star Trek through the 2009 three movies. They need to watch this and feel it is Star Trek, just like we need to. So to pull from TOS *and* from Kelvin makes sense to me.
Looks great
How come they didn't make the front button a Huge Delta?!?!?!
The 5 stylized squares look like ones from The Search for Spock tricorder. I just saw it on Memory-Alpha.
Looks good, almost like a 90s Sony of some sort. I really don't get the repeated callbacks to JJTrek throughout though. My money is there being some sort of connection to the JJ timeline.
I don't get why they don't want to use the 60's look. It would be fun to do.
So far so good. I like it.
They can't go prime timeline because of licence issued as made with paramount/ bad robot licence. Hence uniform can't be the same and why so much looks Kelvin timeline
Would be awesome if it had a hidden compartment for Tootsie Pops. Nimoy stashed his candy in there in between takes.
I like it, and I'd buy a lit up toy/prop version of it too..
This one with the hand holding it looks like a toy where you put your smartphone in and run the app that goes with it. Like the pip boy from fallout that came with the se version.
The USS discovedry shouldn't be using the "delta" since each ship had it's own insignia until after TOS. The Enterprise was the only ship to use the Delta insignia with a secondary design to denote department. After the TOS missions Starfleet made the enterprise insignia the official insignia for starfleet.
I do not understand Samuel's comments. Genuinely am confused. Samuel, you basically said that it's somewhere between ENT and TOS in terms of tech and shape and then you said that it's Trek but devoid of any sense of era - what? Seems to me that it's doing EXACTLY what you wanted it to do.
Actually, that circuclar thing on the new Tricorder is on the Tricorder from Star Trek III.
Fun fact: They used an old iPhone 4s that integrates into the tricorder's case for the Screen and graphics on the Tricorder.
I like that, it's like the Star Trek 3 tricorder, (my favourite)
JJ's looks like a toy, a piece of plastic, shallow design,
Not sure the big knob is a JJVerse influence; take a look at the Star Trek III Tricorder. imho The Tricorder, Phaser and Communicator they got right. Other things not so much.
Samuel...I agree with you much of the time...but on this...I think you are out to lunch.
These props have the look and feel of TOS, created at a time when much more plausible future tech could have been used. How you can possibly say that these items don't scream Trek is beyond me. Even you seem to want an update to the 60's tricorder display if they re-render in 4K...so what's the problem with this one?
Almost every piece of tech I've seen so far brings me back to the TOS. Loved them all then and I think I'll like the new ones even more. After almost 50 years of watching Trek...I am excited to see where Discovery will take us.
I'm just finding it hard to listen to you when you continually say "it could be from any sci-fi franchise."
Please keep up the great work....while our opinions may differ...your love for Trek is clear.
Stuart...please work on your audio levels...sometimes we just can't hear you...and I know I'm not the only one missing out on your insights.
Cheers.
I have a quick question that is NOT related to Discovery. Remember in Star Trek VI when Praxis exploded and destroyed the ozone layer on Qo'nos which means that in 50 years it will be uninhabitable? How come in TNG, which takes place 60-70 years after the event, we see episodes that still take place on Qo'nos, even though that by that time it should be uninhabitable?
Think enclosed cities
DSrider's Teeside Geek Reactions. We see the cities...they are not enclosed.
The reason why Qo'nos was not an uninhabitable wasteland was because of the kittomer accords! one of the prime motivators for the Klingons to come to the negotiation table was that their bloated military budget would have made dealing with the fallout from the explosion of praxis impossible! they needed peace in order to focus all their resources on preventing this fallout from creating an ecological disaster on their homeworld! because they were at peace with the federation they were able to deal with the situation before it became irreversible!
katakisLives. Do you suppose they were back on their feet 50 ish years later? Thats when the C was lost and in the alternate timeline the Klingons were winning a war against the federation 22 years after that.
They must have had some significant power by that point.
star trek rights are scattered across multiple companies, existing copyright laws prevent the use of designs in Discovery that look too much like they are crossing those laws.
It all looks very "Mad Men tech" to me
You are not allowed to say anything against this new show.
What if tos tricorder was 2245 tech or even 2250 and discovery is 2255 tech
i looks like someone stuck an andriod phone in the top portion the buttons line up perfectly
Leonard Nimoy held the Tricorder that way for the audience to see the more interesting side of the prop, compared to just seeing the plain, black back of it. Granted it makes more sense holding it the right way, but that's why Spock held it so. There's no real canon reason as to why as far as I know.
THOSE are the tricorders?! Come on, those are the AA/DST RP replicas, right? RIGHT?!
I was always wanderig about spock and the tricorder. I have two theories.
1. He's only usingvthe tricorder to confirm via sounds what he already knows or has theorised about thatis gas akready calculated and us only looking for confirmation
2. He's mindmeldibg with the tricorder to avoid having to look at the screen
2.a. the screen rotates like in modern phones and computers
Well I think the audio cues theory is the most likely to be true! even in TNG you see then on an away mission and the sounds emitting from the tricorder change depending upon what is being scanned and if there is a hazardous substance being detected
Kristijan One theory I've read from one of the old sources said that Spock, by holding the tricorder backwards, created a sympathetic vibration (feedback loop) to get more range, resonance and penetration. He could also hear audio frequencies that humans can not so he's not dependent on the display.
That would make a lot of sense because Vulcans supposedly had more sensitive hearing because of the thinner atmosphere on their homeworld
The show is set like 2 centuries after we all started carrying pocket computers everywhere that were perfectly capable of flipping the display whichever way up it needs to be.
Perhaps the technology was saved from whatever disaster wiped out our knowledge of fuses.
TOS tried to make technology that seemed fantastical and completely detached from what people were familiar with.
TNG took what TOS had made and pushed it one hundred years into the future.
This looks like crap I could pick up at the hardware store.
No wait, a quick google proves that the crap I can get at the hardware store looks better
www.mcmelectronics.com/product/82-20495
You can't be serious...have you ever seen a walkie talkie from the era...microphone/speaker looks awfully similar to the one on a communicator. Switches and knobs...that was so detached from the 60's for sure. I'm not complaining about their props...but please get a grip...the props were completely influenced by the tech of the time. Right down to the "Photon Torpedos."
I give these prop designers kudos for trying to stay true to the ascetic of TOS using modern design methods.
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Might be too soon to say "no delta". Have we seen the backside?
I hope the delta insignia isn't on every Starfleet ship, uniform and device in this show and I hope there will be some unique insignias like there were in the original series.
Seems like we better call a doctor as Star Trek Now has an STD... break out the penicillin.
It looks too much like the ST III Search for Spock Tricorder - I'm surprised you guys ignored it entirely.
Please stop putting ads randomly in the middle of your videos. I don't know if you control that, but if you do, stop.
TOS gadgets were restricted by technology, materials and money. It wouldn't make sense to purely copy back from the aesthetics of TOS. This tricorder looks star trek. Guardian of forever ep was largely set outside of TOS gadgets and look but it was so very Trek. As long as the stories and characters are recognisable as trek then all is good. I, for one, cannot wait for DIS to start!!!
I will buy this when the toys hit the selves.
Our stuff today looks more high tech than that....
Did anyone else notice that the photo of the new tricorder has a woman's torso, emphasizing the boobs, on its screen?
Seriously! Look! It's there! There is a woman's torso and arms in a blue sweater on the screen.
Do they have Yeomans? Are pretty girls going to deliver food to the captain in this?
It looks more like the tricrder from the search for spock.!!!!
Star Trek III tricorder?
That's what I was thinking, looks alot like the STIII tricorder.
That was the really silvery one right? the one David Marcus was holding? I remember it having a few lights and being predominately silver.
Everyone has to retcon their brains and pretend that TOS looks like this. It would be ridiculous to have this show look like TOS. We have more advanced technology right now than TOS, so just pretend that theirs looked like this. I agree that is does have an after Enterprise feel. I like it, everyone would roll their eyes if this show looked like TOS, it is not logical.
I like the phasers and I like the tricorders in the communicators for Discovery I don't like the discovery ship and I don't like the other ship I seen the Klingon ships look awful and the alien races look awful the uniforms I can except I'd rather get them Dunham's the JJ version of original uniforms it's only thing JJ got right
Klingons look like friggin Vogons
The Discovery is fugly to be sure, but the Shenzhou is sexy!
Star Trek 5, 6. Tricorder.
See the Star Trek III Type B tricorder, it was also used in later films.
44WCF 1892 wasnt sure which film. But it is described in Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise.
first :D
Awesome props. Could the crap about CBS and Paramount be true'? And that was the reason why in the 50th Anniversary no TV material was produced? I wonder if, this is just my theory, then Discovery is indeed Prime Timeline but they opted to just change the aesthetics because of the CBS and Paramount copyright shit. If my theory is true, then I think it might be worth it as a new entry in the Prime Timeline and we just have to ignore the changes, to a certain extent of course. This is basically what Ross did with Renegades, he changed names and other stuff, but the story is the same. To me at least, Renegades is also Prime. CBS and Paramount need to get their act together, preferably sooner than later, because they are the ones playing with our favorite property. We don't play with it, we all love it. After all Star Trek is One thing, not a few things with different interpretations. But that is just my opinion.
I you guys seriously complaining about the fucking dial what is wrong with you
“We’ve accepted it’s a reboot”
Stop going on about it then. Yawn.
I don't like the color of it.