I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Discovery herself will have more nods to TOS in its design - splashes of primary colours, similar doodads on the walls, etc.
well this is the last one! we converted all the tech and things from the universe :D lots of research, recording and editing involved this last week lol...i'm pooped!
Well, great work. I am looking forward to more detailed analysis videos of Star Trek: Discovery. Believe it or not, I was determined to not even give this new series a chance but that changed after watching your videos on the trailer.
Be aware that design is not always a linear progression. Naval ships were made with steel hulls and alluminium superstructures for weight. Until they learned enemy fire would make the alluminium burn. Maybe the cage- era Connie design was overconfident on structural integrity. Witness the refit nacelle struts.
Maybe the Shenzhou is a design doomed to failure, and that's why we never see it again ( at least not the bridge on the ventral side of the saucer section.)
For TOS corridor you probably could have used a/the screenshots of when O'Brien and Bashir was "working" on that junction alcove in the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations", though it'd be the almost same result but at least you could see a bit more along with the ENT' scenes.
I think the shapes are due to emergency bulkheads....Like I think in Ent those round parts are emergency bulkhead frames with the bulkhead inside the core of the circle. I know there are a lot of them but that would I think be due to minimizing the amount of ship being cut off from a breach.
in submarines as in surface navel ship have what are called knee knockers which rise up from the floor of each passageway door they are part of the water tight door system the surround each door
A repaired Franklin would be working on reduced lighting since repairing the lights beyond what is needed to work would not be a priority. Combine the lack of complete Lighting with a ships that has been sitting on the side of a mountain in disrepair would make it look like what we see. Sky lighting would not work because... well it is in the middle of space so why. There would be lights in the overhead. The "none Canon Cage corridors are clearly structural girders halfway between decks. TOS corridors are what you would expect in an office building not a ship. Put someone who had never seen Star Trek in the middle of a TOS corridor they would never think they were on any kind of ship and they would not think advance at all. All the others say ship. Floor lighting works on ships and Air planes and is generally a good idea.
You should have thrown "The Motion Picture" corridors in to the mix just for a proper comparison, they are after all a part of the TOS Era. They very much have the octagonal look of the Shinzau. Also, I consider the 1960's TOS look, to be an aberration, and that's due to it being made over 50 years ago. IF you imagine it being made with todays Hollywood aesthetic, it would most likely fit in the timeline perfectly. One has to factor in the fact that TOS is really a product of it's time.
The "Discovery" corridors seem really tall. I guess that it follows along with the TOS style. I mean the NX-01 was only 7 decks. Scott Bakula is 6ft tall and you only had like little over a foot of head room. I guess we will have to wait to see how many decks the Shenzhou has.
Ryan Simcox not meant to be offensive, I just found the fact that here we are, discussing corridors to be slightly amusing, ultra geeky and rather absurd considering the state of the world
if everything is distinctly different then probably, so a corridor, bridge, maybe transporter room one? would be many less as we now know what lots of the basic and iconic techs look like in the Discovery Verse.
The Franklin was lost in 2164, 3 years after the charter signing, not 1. With the size of the Franklin, it's no wonder it looks narrower and somewhat taller. I like the look of the Shenzhou corridors, very minimalistic, yet structural sound. That being said, I've always liked the NX corridors.
Decent argument for an evolution of the shapes and fits nicely as the differences would be purely aesthetic design choices with colours and the lights. We can't really compare in terms of contemporary designs as we are led to believe Starfleet kept the TMP style aesthetics until well into the TNG era and then we get the Enterprise-E, Defiant and Voyager styled corridors in the same time but its basically just how the designer decided to paint it. Prime Timeline with potentially some visual reimagining in colour scheme.
I never liked the idea that Federation starships across the galaxy all looked the same. Even if they are the same type, different species would alter the schematics to fit cultural and regional preferences, especially this early during the Federation. They seem more hand crafted. Some species might even improve the ship. A ship with more Vulcan influence would probably be more practical and advanced than a purely human made ship, at that time. This isn't even taking into account retrofits and upgrades.
I also thought that the design of each starfleet ship was down to whatever starfleet officer or officers designed them and what Federation planet they came from
"The Cage" version looks out of place with its corridor looking more like a collection of small rooms with oblisk style openings. Progression in my opinion, Enterprise-Kelvin-Shenzhao. I have a tough time buying the Cage/TOS look with the before mentioned three.
no we are not since there is no greater universe to compare too..we have done a 50min discussion about the ship but we couldn't do a long breakdown as there is no context to anything. The new ST Discovery trailer we can compare to the 50 years of trek...and so we have been!
power543 I am pretty sure the Orville takes place in a universe where that Ensign from Enterprise tries to be funny and accidentally blows up the NX-01. The explosion thrusts him into a cosmic Loop where he is stuck for 200 years. The Federation is never formed, but instead is replaced by something else. They recover the ensign when gravimetric beams interfere with their transporter. He is soon promoted to Captain and given command of the Orville, but he is nobody's first choice.
Well they do place it 400 years in the future, so that would be early 25th century....about STO time period? Could do a comparison between Enterpise D, Enterprise E, Voyager, and some STO ships! Could be fun!
Capt. Foley, I want to run an analogy past you and see what you think. I saw this posted over at Redshirts, and thought it was an interesting take. Please consider this and share your opinion in a post if you get the time. Thanks. The poster wrote: "To those who don't get it and are caught asking the insipid question, "Why is continuity important?", I will explain it to you in the simplest terms I can. Imagine that you like a certain period of history -- a lot. Say, the 18th century. Lets say you like it so much that you find historical re-enactments of events from that period interesting. Perhaps you're even a re-enactor yourself. You pay close attention to historical detail when making or buying parts of your outfit/uniform. Now, consider this. Because Star Trek is a legendarium that covers more than 300 years of "history" (okay, fictional history), and because it covers those years in so much detail -- the ships, the uniforms, the technology -- avid Star Trek fans are like historians in their attention to detail, and cosplayers are like re-enactors, likewise. You do not simply decide, "Well, we decided to change it, because reasons." Its like walking into Mordor."
I knew where to find the Kelvin and Franklin corridors as we have looked at them before for other episodes, anything after the Kevlin incident is mute as it is an alternate future and so does not link to Discovery at all.
Maybe I'm wrong. I'm will to be wrong. But when I first saw it, and still now, I don't like the corridor. I don't like the cross-section because I think it increases the chances of falling badly if there's a problem with the inertial dampeners (the basic cross-section of Enterprise and the Cage are rectangular, just with circular or . . . funny-shaped places to walk though). I think it's too wide because if you have a mile of corridor every foot robs the vehicle of 5, 280 square feet of working or living space. I don't like the lighting because I'm just annoying like that. I could be wrong. I could be very wrong. I'll probably like it in the end. It's just the design feels weird.
Unless you are going to go with Starling and Janeway jumped tech ahead, and the the JJverse was separate to begin with, none of this new show makes sense. I will watch it, but I am going with tech changes in 1996 and swept through to the future, meaning everything before that episode got an upgrade and this is how it would really be seen. Simple explanation so that we can go back to enjoying Trek.
If the writers knew how to be creative, they could have set this after Voyager, but they can't grasp future humans, so they have to keep going in reverse and bleeding the well dry.
Watched 3 of the discovery breakdown videos, officially you have stretched the balloon to almost popping point. You're going to have to cover the same ground when the show is released. I'm a fan of the channel but discovery is something new, there's no point comparing TOS and the new show visually. The only thing that can be comparable now is the story and ethics, I'm not sure what route that's going to go down. To me that's the most exciting bit.
I'm sorry gentlemen > but if your watching cpt pike the cage set in 2254 > and the put on std ( 2255 ) it's just not going to work > because the feel and the tone is all wrong ???.... now if they had followed on from Alex Peters work (axanar) I think that they would have been on the right track .
In terms of corridors, I think you guys are over reading them. My personal opinion is this is a style choice, and ship designers likely have their own influences on what they think looks good and functional. It's like architecture in today's day and age. You'll see evolution in structure, however you'll see colonial revival, Spanish, new buildings that are brick base, and buildings mixture of brick and steel, etc. It's like fashion, some trends come and go.
I think the Shenzohu can't be placed in the 2255 era. To me she is going to be an old ship and Discovery is the new one, just like Excelsiors and Mirandas in TNG era...
The whole TOS is so advanced they don't need the compact shapes and girders because of improvements in structural tech falls apart completely when you extend this timeline further because what do we see in TMP? Oh right, the compact trapezoidal corridor shape again... lol. "In a Mirror Darkly" lighting or not, every single one of these timelines works better if you remove Cage/TOS and skip right to TMP. The refit is how the Connie should have always looked. TOS is the soft canon because of how and when it was created, I know a lot of diehards cannot accept that, but everything works better in that case. TOS is and always has been the least Star Trek looking Star Trek. TMP, TNG, DS9, and Voyager all have a consistent aesthetic progression. TOS was the anomaly, we could always justify it by just saying it's less advanced than those, and okay sure, but it still doesn't really work as in advance of today. Then Enterprise came along, the Kelvin, Franklin and now Discovery. It's very clear and Discovery does look like Star Trek, it just doesn't look like TOS, the majority of Star Trek doesn't look like TOS. Today > ENT > Franklin > Kelvin > DIS > TMP > TNG.
well thats the Star Tre universe...it spans the 2150's to the 2370's :) all part of canon...its not a case that things were made in the 60's 80's 90's and 2000's... :) its a big flowing tapestry and TOS is the most refered to timeline as parts of that time were shown in TNG/DS9 and ENT :)
well the trek fans in general want Star Trek..not just sci fi and there is a long legacy of Trek. To ignore and go against it makes you wonder why not just make a new sci fi series then you can do whatever...like Orville. A tos soft reboot...same set design and same everything style wise but "updated" by people like Doug Drexler and Mike&Danise Okuda then it would be faithful but 2017....let the minds that understand the tech and the time update it with touch screens and sleeker lines...rather than a producer saying...take this very basic style and make something for 2017...then again...why call it star trek...call it the reboot it is and leave it be.
Wow. Your strawman is as flimsy as cardboard. No asking for continuity is asking for cardboard sets or beehive hairdos. They are asking, among other logical things, for continuity in the progression of technology. When making a movie set in the time between the Civil War and WWI, would you throw in nuclear weapons and act as if that were perfectly normal?
i am disappointing with the in-floor lighting. for anybody who has not experienced in-floor lighting, it sucks. the lights shine in your eyes and you can't see where you are going. i did not like the enterprise corridors for the same reason. Floor lights are an artistic choice that no Starfleet engineer would ever implement in an actual space ship.
Sean Buckwell Then by all mean do not watch it. Move on to something else you would like to watch and leave this for people who may want to hear our thoughts on it. Thanks for the input though.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Discovery herself will have more nods to TOS in its design - splashes of primary colours, similar doodads on the walls, etc.
Lol, you guys are breaking this trailer down to every minute particle. I love it, keep them coming!
well this is the last one! we converted all the tech and things from the universe :D lots of research, recording and editing involved this last week lol...i'm pooped!
Well, great work. I am looking forward to more detailed analysis videos of Star Trek: Discovery. Believe it or not, I was determined to not even give this new series a chance but that changed after watching your videos on the trailer.
good you really milked this trailer
I think what we've learned is that they should have set this after Voyager.
Because there's no reason for it to be set in this time.
Except for, maybe, the story? We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
Be aware that design is not always a linear progression. Naval ships were made with steel hulls and alluminium superstructures for weight. Until they learned enemy fire would make the alluminium burn. Maybe the cage- era Connie design was overconfident on structural integrity. Witness the refit nacelle struts.
Maybe the Shenzhou is a design doomed to failure, and that's why we never see it again ( at least not the bridge on the ventral side of the saucer section.)
The USS Shenzhou corridors remind me of the corridors on the Andromeda Ascendant.
Ah such a good Series, Need to watch that again
The guy moving away from Pike looks like he's headed to the beach.
For TOS corridor you probably could have used a/the screenshots of when O'Brien and Bashir was "working" on that junction alcove in the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations", though it'd be the almost same result but at least you could see a bit more along with the ENT' scenes.
I think the shapes are due to emergency bulkheads....Like I think in Ent those round parts are emergency bulkhead frames with the bulkhead inside the core of the circle. I know there are a lot of them but that would I think be due to minimizing the amount of ship being cut off from a breach.
All this discussion of the Shenzhou just makes me really want to see what the ship the show's actually named for looks like.
in submarines as in surface navel ship have what are called knee knockers which rise up from the floor of each passageway door they are part of the water tight door system the surround each door
What if this corridor is not in the Shenzhou but instead what if it is starfleet command or something.
could very well be!
Power543 I was wondering who are you? You reply to like all of my comments. Are you part of team trekyards?
He's Commander Cockings.
If you ask me, the Shenzhao corridors look most similar to the refit/Enterprise-A/Enterprise-D corridors. Just more dimly lit.
after all the analysis vids are you going to do a conclusion chart with what looks prime what looks kelvin and what looks reboot in summery
could the handrails be in retract position on the newer ships? and when the unforeseen happens they are deployed ?
A repaired Franklin would be working on reduced lighting since repairing the lights beyond what is needed to work would not be a priority. Combine the lack of complete Lighting with a ships that has been sitting on the side of a mountain in disrepair would make it look like what we see. Sky lighting would not work because... well it is in the middle of space so why. There would be lights in the overhead. The "none Canon Cage corridors are clearly structural girders halfway between decks. TOS corridors are what you would expect in an office building not a ship. Put someone who had never seen Star Trek in the middle of a TOS corridor they would never think they were on any kind of ship and they would not think advance at all. All the others say ship. Floor lighting works on ships and Air planes and is generally a good idea.
You should have thrown "The Motion Picture" corridors in to the mix just for a proper comparison, they are after all a part of the TOS Era. They very much have the octagonal look of the Shinzau. Also, I consider the 1960's TOS look, to be an aberration, and that's due to it being made over 50 years ago. IF you imagine it being made with todays Hollywood aesthetic, it would most likely fit in the timeline perfectly. One has to factor in the fact that TOS is really a product of it's time.
The "Discovery" corridors seem really tall. I guess that it follows along with the TOS style. I mean the NX-01 was only 7 decks. Scott Bakula is 6ft tall and you only had like little over a foot of head room. I guess we will have to wait to see how many decks the Shenzhou has.
The evolution of the corridor 🤣🤣🤣
Stuart Ross the evolution of Trek Yards! been a fan since summer 2015. thanks for the hard work
Ryan Simcox not meant to be offensive, I just found the fact that here we are, discussing corridors to be slightly amusing, ultra geeky and rather absurd considering the state of the world
Btw, if we get a second trailer with the actual Discovery, I take it we can expect another round of videos like these ones?
if everything is distinctly different then probably, so a corridor, bridge, maybe transporter room one? would be many less as we now know what lots of the basic and iconic techs look like in the Discovery Verse.
Cool - I figured you guys would be all over anything on Discovery that is different. Thanks for all the hard work.
The Franklin was lost in 2164, 3 years after the charter signing, not 1. With the size of the Franklin, it's no wonder it looks narrower and somewhat taller. I like the look of the Shenzhou corridors, very minimalistic, yet structural sound. That being said, I've always liked the NX corridors.
sorry..cant remember all of the dates all the time :)
That's K, easy to forget when u av a ton of stuff in noggin lol
Station K-7 also had wider angular corridors.
Decent argument for an evolution of the shapes and fits nicely as the differences would be purely aesthetic design choices with colours and the lights. We can't really compare in terms of contemporary designs as we are led to believe Starfleet kept the TMP style aesthetics until well into the TNG era and then we get the Enterprise-E, Defiant and Voyager styled corridors in the same time but its basically just how the designer decided to paint it. Prime Timeline with potentially some visual reimagining in colour scheme.
maybe the cage enerptise corridoors might look like 2245 styling and the shinzon 2255 ship
Look at a picture of a passage way on a modern US Naval vessel and you'll understand why there are those "girders".
maybe the shinzon corridoor were a direct resuse of the uss vangance corridoor
hae they shown the discovery yet?
was that dr flox in the TOS picture?
yes...in the mirror universe episode
thanks
I never liked the idea that Federation starships across the galaxy all looked the same. Even if they are the same type, different species would alter the schematics to fit cultural and regional preferences, especially this early during the Federation.
They seem more hand crafted.
Some species might even improve the ship. A ship with more Vulcan influence would probably be more practical and advanced than a purely human made ship, at that time.
This isn't even taking into account retrofits and upgrades.
I also thought that the design of each starfleet ship was down to whatever starfleet officer or officers designed them and what Federation planet they came from
If Discovery was taking place in 2180, I'd almost buy the aesthetic as being authentic, true to canon. Almost.
"The Cage" version looks out of place with its corridor looking more like a collection of small rooms with oblisk style openings. Progression in my opinion, Enterprise-Kelvin-Shenzhao. I have a tough time buying the Cage/TOS look with the before mentioned three.
Ok, now when you're done with these for Discovery, you have to make analysis videos for each of these topics for the Orville trailer.
no we are not since there is no greater universe to compare too..we have done a 50min discussion about the ship but we couldn't do a long breakdown as there is no context to anything. The new ST Discovery trailer we can compare to the 50 years of trek...and so we have been!
power543 I am pretty sure the Orville takes place in a universe where that Ensign from Enterprise tries to be funny and accidentally blows up the NX-01. The explosion thrusts him into a cosmic Loop where he is stuck for 200 years. The Federation is never formed, but instead is replaced by something else. They recover the ensign when gravimetric beams interfere with their transporter. He is soon promoted to Captain and given command of the Orville, but he is nobody's first choice.
Well they do place it 400 years in the future, so that would be early 25th century....about STO time period? Could do a comparison between Enterpise D, Enterprise E, Voyager, and some STO ships! Could be fun!
handletag sounds like someone is a bit salty about someone is making a good parody of star trek 😉
claus nissen I actually think Orville looks more like Trek than Discovery. So, I'd call my feeling toward it "sugary".
To me the Shenzhou corridor looks like its buckling. Like as if the deck above is way too heavy.
"Uhh what's next?"
"A random corridor in the ship?"
"meh let's do it!"
*shenzhou corridor FULL ANALYSIS*
Capt. Foley, I want to run an analogy past you and see what you think. I saw this posted over at Redshirts, and thought it was an interesting take. Please consider this and share your opinion in a post if you get the time. Thanks.
The poster wrote:
"To those who don't get it and are caught asking the insipid question, "Why is continuity important?", I will explain it to you in the simplest terms I can. Imagine that you like a certain period of history -- a lot. Say, the 18th century. Lets say you like it so much that you find historical re-enactments of events from that period interesting. Perhaps you're even a re-enactor yourself. You pay close attention to historical detail when making or buying parts of your outfit/uniform. Now, consider this. Because
Star Trek is a legendarium that covers more than 300 years of "history" (okay, fictional history), and because it covers those years in so much detail -- the ships, the uniforms, the technology -- avid Star Trek fans are like historians in their attention to detail, and cosplayers are like re-enactors, likewise. You do not simply decide, "Well, we decided to change it, because reasons."
Its like walking into Mordor."
Did you rewatch the JJ movies just to look for the corridors?
I knew where to find the Kelvin and Franklin corridors as we have looked at them before for other episodes, anything after the Kevlin incident is mute as it is an alternate future and so does not link to Discovery at all.
Maybe I'm wrong. I'm will to be wrong. But when I first saw it, and still now, I don't like the corridor.
I don't like the cross-section because I think it increases the chances of falling badly if there's a problem with the inertial dampeners (the basic cross-section of Enterprise and the Cage are rectangular, just with circular or . . . funny-shaped places to walk though). I think it's too wide because if you have a mile of corridor every foot robs the vehicle of 5, 280 square feet of working or living space. I don't like the lighting because I'm just annoying like that.
I could be wrong. I could be very wrong. I'll probably like it in the end. It's just the design feels weird.
Unless you are going to go with Starling and Janeway jumped tech ahead, and the the JJverse was separate to begin with, none of this new show makes sense. I will watch it, but I am going with tech changes in 1996 and swept through to the future, meaning everything before that episode got an upgrade and this is how it would really be seen. Simple explanation so that we can go back to enjoying Trek.
If the writers knew how to be creative, they could have set this after Voyager, but they can't grasp future humans, so they have to keep going in reverse and bleeding the well dry.
Watched 3 of the discovery breakdown videos, officially you have stretched the balloon to almost popping point. You're going to have to cover the same ground when the show is released.
I'm a fan of the channel but discovery is something new, there's no point comparing TOS and the new show visually. The only thing that can be comparable now is the story and ethics, I'm not sure what route that's going to go down. To me that's the most exciting bit.
I love these corridors! they are more real and when the crew hits Z-G there are handholds just in case.
I'm sorry gentlemen > but if your watching cpt pike the cage set in 2254 > and the put on std ( 2255 ) it's just not going to work > because the feel and the tone is all wrong ???.... now if they had followed on from Alex Peters work (axanar) I think that they would have been on the right track .
Thank you!
tiggergolah I'm glad you agree with me .....
More than I can express here. Wish we could discuss this over a beer. Some things need hand gestures, and a cold one to calm the nerves.
In terms of corridors, I think you guys are over reading them. My personal opinion is this is a style choice, and ship designers likely have their own influences on what they think looks good and functional. It's like architecture in today's day and age. You'll see evolution in structure, however you'll see colonial revival, Spanish, new buildings that are brick base, and buildings mixture of brick and steel, etc. It's like fashion, some trends come and go.
The corridors are definitely too big, but after seeing it's predecessors the style itself looks ok I guess.
I think the Shenzohu can't be placed in the 2255 era. To me she is going to be an old ship and Discovery is the new one, just like Excelsiors and Mirandas in TNG era...
The whole TOS is so advanced they don't need the compact shapes and girders because of improvements in structural tech falls apart completely when you extend this timeline further because what do we see in TMP? Oh right, the compact trapezoidal corridor shape again... lol. "In a Mirror Darkly" lighting or not, every single one of these timelines works better if you remove Cage/TOS and skip right to TMP. The refit is how the Connie should have always looked. TOS is the soft canon because of how and when it was created, I know a lot of diehards cannot accept that, but everything works better in that case. TOS is and always has been the least Star Trek looking Star Trek. TMP, TNG, DS9, and Voyager all have a consistent aesthetic progression. TOS was the anomaly, we could always justify it by just saying it's less advanced than those, and okay sure, but it still doesn't really work as in advance of today. Then Enterprise came along, the Kelvin, Franklin and now Discovery. It's very clear and Discovery does look like Star Trek, it just doesn't look like TOS, the majority of Star Trek doesn't look like TOS. Today > ENT > Franklin > Kelvin > DIS > TMP > TNG.
All due respect tired of trying to link to TOS, the link from ENT is much easier to do cause it wasn't made in the 60s.
well thats the Star Tre universe...it spans the 2150's to the 2370's :) all part of canon...its not a case that things were made in the 60's 80's 90's and 2000's... :) its a big flowing tapestry and TOS is the most refered to timeline as parts of that time were shown in TNG/DS9 and ENT :)
True but I feel star trek is chained to TOS canon and that can be bad visual wise.
well the trek fans in general want Star Trek..not just sci fi and there is a long legacy of Trek. To ignore and go against it makes you wonder why not just make a new sci fi series then you can do whatever...like Orville. A tos soft reboot...same set design and same everything style wise but "updated" by people like Doug Drexler and Mike&Danise Okuda then it would be faithful but 2017....let the minds that understand the tech and the time update it with touch screens and sleeker lines...rather than a producer saying...take this very basic style and make something for 2017...then again...why call it star trek...call it the reboot it is and leave it be.
Johnathan Alvarez I agree it's 2017, you can't keep referring back to 1960s cardboard sets and beehive hairdos
Wow. Your strawman is as flimsy as cardboard. No asking for continuity is asking for cardboard sets or beehive hairdos.
They are asking, among other logical things, for continuity in the progression of technology. When making a movie set in the time between the Civil War and WWI, would you throw in nuclear weapons and act as if that were perfectly normal?
I wish people would not read to much into this stuff, I love Star Trek and Star Wars but it is just a TV show take it for what it is..
i am disappointing with the in-floor lighting. for anybody who has not experienced in-floor lighting, it sucks. the lights shine in your eyes and you can't see where you are going. i did not like the enterprise corridors for the same reason. Floor lights are an artistic choice that no Starfleet engineer would ever implement in an actual space ship.
Again: Cut out Cage/TOS and the progression makes kind of sense.
Please, people, let the 60's look go. Don't clutch.
It looks like a hallway no need for an almost 20 min video
Sean Buckwell Then by all mean do not watch it. Move on to something else you would like to watch and leave this for people who may want to hear our thoughts on it. Thanks for the input though.
the whole thing looks too much like the jj movies and not like classic trek. :(
Digging through this meaningless minutiae is probably one of the worst ways to spend your limited time on Earth.