Apologies - I'm long winded to a fault. I'd check out the tobaccochronicles blog in the description and you can peruse at your own pacing and enjoyment. Thanks for at least giving it a try :)
@ hey man, I really am not jamming you. I wanted to watch what you had to say. I’ve pretty well heard everything now anyway so I don’t think there’s any new news anyway man if I jammed you, I did not mean to.
@@TerryDavey-lo5ke No worries, didn’t take it that way! Ha, I understand I can drone on a little, and hope to cut down some of the fat in future videos for 2025!
Excellent video. It makes me feel good knowing young, wise men like yourself are still finding the pipe hobby. I second Watch City Cigars. They provide excellent customer service and produce some awesome blends. Hopefully they can continue to source components and will adapt to this shock.
Thank you very much for the kind words! I agree, I hope the smaller blenders like WCC will continue to be able to source components and blend pipe tobacco
agree on the 2 types of approaches you mentioned. I'm in a difficult position in Europe (Hungary). even more difficult than any of you in the US... was fortunate to get some of the 515RC, and SPC blends but they will run out fast and with current regulations I can really get my hands on any more either
Hi there! I just was in Budapest and the tobacco situation really was not good...at the moment even we in Austria are a bit better off for now! All the best from Vienna! 🤝🏻👍🏻
@@BrutalEnough its horrible! I'm cellaring what i can put my hands on as already now you cant get anything decent in Hungary, and no retailer delivers to us within EU either. And forget about ordering from outside EU, that has been done for years now
@DrewSmokes it's a shame! Especially when you consider the rich tradition in pipe making and smoking in Hungary! When I was there I was lucky to get a Peterson wild Atlantic and some MacBarren... the modern world just hates pipe smokers it seems!
@@TimberSmokeCo My favorite codger blends are Granger and Velvet both made by STG. I enjoy Walnut, Field and Stream, and Revelation match on occasion. I expect all 3 are going away. So most readily available bulk match codger blends are about to go away or went away with Lane. I wonder if STG is going to purge Half and Half, Granger, or Velvet during their consolidation?
Yeah, it’s a good question. My assumption is that a large part of the reduction is going to come from a major consolidation of Sutliff branded products - everything that’s tinned, special releases, and bulk blends besides the top 5-10 most popular.
I just started pipe smoking in '24. It certainly is sad that Americans are losing their jobs due to foreign investment greed. Unfortunately, some of my favorite blends are made by Sutliff. I've tried some of the C&D ones but I haven't scratched that itch yet. STG has owned Lane Limited and Peter Stokkebye for some time, correct? The b&m near me has bulk blends that are supplied by PS and Lane. There may be some house blends but they are composed of Lane and/or PS. Certainly there will be less offered but maybe the sky is not falling?
@@DrPhillipMcCracken No, I don’t believe the sky is falling. There’s a good thread on pipemagazine forum actually where an employee of STG is giving some more info. By the sounds of it, most of the Sutliff portfolio is going away, while the rest of the current STG lineup (including Lane, PS, Peterson blends, etc.) will stay. My bigger concern and wonder for the future is components for the b&m blenders
There are many, many tobaccos out there to try. You'll find something else you like, so I wouldn't panic about it. In fact, pipe seems to be making something of a comeback so I expect there will be new niche suppliers (probably like the microbrewery explosion and the wank-factor pricing, but that's another issue). It's all just a good excuse to try a whole lot of different tobaccos. Happy shopping
Markets for all things are interrelated. If less of A is produced, more of B, C, and D can be produced. The consumers of A may be unhappy with the situation, but the consumers of B, C, and D will be happy. Labor and other factors of production will move to where the returns are greater. We live in a world of scarcity and change. That's no one's fault.
I think this is true to an extent. I think the question “Was the Sutliff Tobacco Company profitable” remains. Of course these are businesses and need to be profitable, but I do think there’s something to say about a company that is profitable that doesn’t chase returns for the sake of returns.
@TimberSmokeCo In a free market, profits can only be had by pleasing consumers. Shareholders are in it for profit. Nothing wrong with that. Of course the market is not fully free. Trying to start up a new tobacco company would run headlong into a regulatory brick wall. The anti-smoking culture does not help.
I can see STG's side of the argument as a business, but it is a shame to see another American company folding. I'm from Virginia originally...and am a new pipe smoker. I'll be stocking up on some sutliff products if for no other reason than sentiment. When it was made in the old dominion. 🇺🇸
Where do you think the small time blenders that you want to support will get their blending components from? They're not going to be buying pallets from dealers and farmers. If they don't get it from C&D, then where? In a nutshell, support for the hobby means supporting those that can wholesale leaf to "blenders." In the US, that's C&D. But the questions remains, since C&D produces so many of their own blends, are they willing to wholesale leaf to small time blenders and compete with their own blends on a scale much larger than they already do? It may be that the time for tobacco shop house blends is coming to a close.
@@nglpos Was this not the same case for Sutliff providing that tobacco? I understand the small blenders aren’t buying whole leaf, but components. But, many were buying from Sutliff, who also made their own blends. Just not sure if this is a major issue because it’s no different than before, just a potential different supplier. I think the bigger problem potentially is volume. I’m not sure how much volume all the small guys combined purchased, and if C&D can meet those needs on top of what they currently produce.
@@TimberSmokeCo Sutilff and C&D's business models seem to be different. That's why you don't see C&D selling their tobacco stocks as blending components in a big way. They will produce products for those who cannot manufacture their own, but it's all done in house. They seem not to participate much in selling off processed leaf as blending components. I think it's wishful thinking to believe that C&D will start operating like a Sutliff.
Great video. I'm a small business man myself. I appreciate a loyal customer. I treat them honestly and they recommend me to others. The small time operator has a hard time competing with national or international businesses. I can compete and be lower on my labor rates but not on parts. That being said I appreciate that your are asking your followers to at least consider the small time, independent blenders. Now as a guy that is extremely new to pipe smoking, can you put up a list of these blenders that you would recommend or buy from now? Thank you.
@@chetusher444 Definitely! Some great options to start checking out would be - Country Squire Tobacconist, Watch City Cigars, Milan Tobacconist, JM Boswell’s, and LJ Peretti. All have a website and you can order online. There are plenty others as well, but I find the ones I listed above a good entry point for the smaller blenders, and most have them have smaller you can purchase to try a variety of blends to get an idea of what you like. Also, as a sneak peak ahead, I plan on interviewing one of these blenders a month in 2025, and taking each month to highlight one of those blenders and their products. In January I’ll be starting with Milan Tobacconist!
Thank you for the list of blenders. I am going to subscribe to your channel and will be looking forward to those interviews. I hope you have a great day and Merry Christmas.
Maybe we will get lucky and when they reduce sku’s they will just offer less size of package offerings first. Example if they offer 1 oz,2oz,4oz,8oz,16oz,and 5 pounds. Under reduced sku’s they only sell 8oz,16oz, and 5 pounds they eliminate half of sku’s without loosing any options and cut the 3200 to 1600 SKU’s. Crossing fingers. Pipe On
I’m going to panic buy my favorite blend, as it’s made with a leaf that literally nobody else processes for or in their pipe tobacco blends. There’s no blend from C&D, G&H, Dan, etc. that contain even a whisper, so I’m left with no choice but to acquire while I can. Edit: I’m otherwise C&D and G&H all the way from here on out. They made most of my staples anyway
@@Orochi_001 Yeah, no shame in that. Hopefully blends like that will make their way to some other blender, or perhaps still persist under the STG banner
I think the biggest tobacco loss from this horrible Sutliff closure will be the components. There are components only Sutliff makes. And the scrapping of specialized equipment like those at MB that make coins. I’m a home blender, so I did buy a few pound of Sutliff components, because once gone, they are gone. STG sucks.
@@BillKeechPiperRacingPhotog Captain Black, Sir Walter Raleigh, Borkum Riff, Peter Stokkebye, Half & Half, Orlik, Escudo, Lane to name a few. There are others for sure I’m missing. I also believe Peterson Pipe Tobacco is owned and produced by STG
@@TimberSmokeCoI've seen the same in several places, peterson is owned by STG. I think Stuff n' Things said something about the dunhill/peterson blends being on the chopping block after sutlifff is consolidated.
They will most likely hold the same market share with fewer products. Plus, STG actually makes a lot of their money on cigars (they own brands like Drew Estate). I recently heard in the US, 33% of cigar sales are from STG’s brands
Reposted from Stuff & Things...but I want to post this here also...I am the 'Glass is Half Full' guy instead of Half Empty... WARNING my opinion may not be popular in this crowd. Thank You for bringing this information out. Well done. We all appreciate the work you have done to get this information out. IMO...None of this is a surprise and I am fine with STC doing this. If I ran this company, I'd streamline the company also. Even as a guy that hits the pipe, I would still do it. This is normal stream-lining business operations, just like any business is forced to. If the business is bleeding money in certain brands and products, then you get rid of them. You only keep producing the best sellers that make money. I don't think it is fair for us to criticize STG for this. Think about it...Bradley from S&T read off that they have 111 brands; 3002 products; and 76 markets? Crazy. Too much. Reducing 3002 products by 60% is still 1801 products. How many blends (products) do we need? What Bradley said was they are getting rid of 'tail blends' or the boutique blends that no one buys. They said MacB will continue, but will discontinue 50% of their blends and keep the money makers. Fine, MacB lives. Moving two websites into one, fine. They said we'd still have an American distribution and fulfillment center in Bethlehem, PA. Smaller boutique blends, like SPC would probably still survive. Great. Peterson blends? I assume that they would keep 5 or 6 of the best sellers. We don't know yet. What is the really loss here? Sutliff, some Peterson and some smaller blends? Sutliff is really getting erased, so I do feel sorry for the company, workers and folks that enjoy their blends. SPC would be a painful loss for us American pipers, if that even happens. The sky is not falling, however. We still have our hobby. Stock up what you think may go away, and start buying C&D, Boswell, Country Squire, GL Pease, etc. This is very normal. I'll still buy my STG favorites. No boycott from me. The end of an era and beginning of a new one. Amazon killed off Main Street and the Malls. Sears and Kmart are gone. Certain foods from the 70's & 80's are not made any more. For those of us living in America, we are lucky. We still have so many blends that are really inexpensive in this country. Normal, life changes. The tough loss here are the folks that really consume a lot of Sutliff and probably the Brick and Mortars. For the rest of us, we'd still have plenty of good brands and blends and we'll still have our hobby. I just think making STG out to be this big evil company or proclaiming capitalism is evil, is unfair. Yes, it does suck, but 3002 tobacco products and we just expect them to keep them alive for our little pipe community? Really, friends? We'll be fine with 1800 products and 53 brands instead of 3002 products and 111 brands. How many blends in your rotation? I only have like 20 regulars blends I smoke. I only cellar, maybe 30 - 40 blends. Plenty. Times change and companies and folks have to adapt. We cellar what we have now and move onto other blends if need be. I am not going to panic. I will continue to enjoy our beloved hobby. We as a Pipe T Community will be fine. Happy Holidays (2024) Everyone! 🤠
@@buffalobill9048 I may not agree with everything here, but I do think there’s a number of good points worth considering. An employer of STG started a thread on pipesmagazine.com forum, and expressed some similar items there. I plan on covering one last follow up with what was presented there. The main point being, like them or not, STG is continuing to sell lots of pipe tobacco in a dying hobby. Pipe tobacco probably doesn’t sell as much or make the margins like their cigars do (for example, STG owns Drew Estate). Yet, they continue to provide pipe tobacco for those of us that enjoy it. Not to say there aren’t other concerns, but it’s definitely something that should be considered before making a full on boycott of their products
@@TimberSmokeCo I think we all agree the industry and hobby shift sucks for those of us that enjoy pipe T. Once you think about it, vaping is the new market and our community is dying off. I'll still enjoy it. C'est le vie.
@@TimberSmokeCo I am looking for that thread from this STG Employee. What is the category and name of this thread? Or what is his forum name? Trying to find it. - Thxs.
@@buffalobill9048 here’s the thread: pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/questions-for-leonardw.107686/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1RaFSALTQvGQvofh7NUTSmfd89_APCxiKKnCW9hM-mducJnwqU-NSNCFk_aem_wxdeqEe6_bO9rFmfcpl_NA
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Apologies - I'm long winded to a fault. I'd check out the tobaccochronicles blog in the description and you can peruse at your own pacing and enjoyment. Thanks for at least giving it a try :)
@ hey man, I really am not jamming you. I wanted to watch what you had to say. I’ve pretty well heard everything now anyway so I don’t think there’s any new news anyway man if I jammed you, I did not mean to.
@@TerryDavey-lo5ke No worries, didn’t take it that way! Ha, I understand I can drone on a little, and hope to cut down some of the fat in future videos for 2025!
Excellent video. It makes me feel good knowing young, wise men like yourself are still finding the pipe hobby. I second Watch City Cigars. They provide excellent customer service and produce some awesome blends. Hopefully they can continue to source components and will adapt to this shock.
Thank you very much for the kind words! I agree, I hope the smaller blenders like WCC will continue to be able to source components and blend pipe tobacco
Very thorough overview of the Sutliff situation, I really enjoyed it. Merry Christmas.
@@aromatix5741 I appreciate the kind words! Merry Christmas!
agree on the 2 types of approaches you mentioned. I'm in a difficult position in Europe (Hungary). even more difficult than any of you in the US... was fortunate to get some of the 515RC, and SPC blends but they will run out fast and with current regulations I can really get my hands on any more either
@@DrewSmokes yeah, I think it’s easy for us in the States to forget how fortunate we are with access to tobacco
Hi there! I just was in Budapest and the tobacco situation really was not good...at the moment even we in Austria are a bit better off for now! All the best from Vienna! 🤝🏻👍🏻
@@BrutalEnough its horrible! I'm cellaring what i can put my hands on as already now you cant get anything decent in Hungary, and no retailer delivers to us within EU either. And forget about ordering from outside EU, that has been done for years now
@DrewSmokes it's a shame! Especially when you consider the rich tradition in pipe making and smoking in Hungary! When I was there I was lucky to get a Peterson wild Atlantic and some MacBarren... the modern world just hates pipe smokers it seems!
THANK YOU and Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas!
Im trying to find some Sutliff Christmas spice. Everyone is sold out.
It's currently available on tobaccopipes.com
Know several people that work at Sutliffs, feel so sorry for them. I can always smoke codger blends. I did for first 20 years of pipe smoking.
Agreed. I need to spend some more time trying some of the codger blends
STG makes several codger blends as did Sutliff. So even codgers are impacted.
@ Yeah, one of the big ones like Half and Half. It’s hard to really get a grasp on how much is affected
@@TimberSmokeCo
My favorite codger blends are Granger and Velvet both made by STG.
I enjoy Walnut, Field and Stream, and Revelation match on occasion. I expect all 3 are going away.
So most readily available bulk match codger blends are about to go away or went away with Lane. I wonder if STG is going to purge Half and Half, Granger, or Velvet during their consolidation?
Yeah, it’s a good question. My assumption is that a large part of the reduction is going to come from a major consolidation of Sutliff branded products - everything that’s tinned, special releases, and bulk blends besides the top 5-10 most popular.
I just started pipe smoking in '24. It certainly is sad that Americans are losing their jobs due to foreign investment greed. Unfortunately, some of my favorite blends are made by Sutliff. I've tried some of the C&D ones but I haven't scratched that itch yet.
STG has owned Lane Limited and Peter Stokkebye for some time, correct? The b&m near me has bulk blends that are supplied by PS and Lane. There may be some house blends but they are composed of Lane and/or PS. Certainly there will be less offered but maybe the sky is not falling?
@@DrPhillipMcCracken No, I don’t believe the sky is falling. There’s a good thread on pipemagazine forum actually where an employee of STG is giving some more info. By the sounds of it, most of the Sutliff portfolio is going away, while the rest of the current STG lineup (including Lane, PS, Peterson blends, etc.) will stay.
My bigger concern and wonder for the future is components for the b&m blenders
There are many, many tobaccos out there to try. You'll find something else you like, so I wouldn't panic about it. In fact, pipe seems to be making something of a comeback so I expect there will be new niche suppliers (probably like the microbrewery explosion and the wank-factor pricing, but that's another issue).
It's all just a good excuse to try a whole lot of different tobaccos. Happy shopping
Markets for all things are interrelated. If less of A is produced, more of B, C, and D can be produced. The consumers of A may be unhappy with the situation, but the consumers of B, C, and D will be happy. Labor and other factors of production will move to where the returns are greater. We live in a world of scarcity and change. That's no one's fault.
I think this is true to an extent. I think the question “Was the Sutliff Tobacco Company profitable” remains. Of course these are businesses and need to be profitable, but I do think there’s something to say about a company that is profitable that doesn’t chase returns for the sake of returns.
@TimberSmokeCo In a free market, profits can only be had by pleasing consumers. Shareholders are in it for profit. Nothing wrong with that. Of course the market is not fully free. Trying to start up a new tobacco company would run headlong into a regulatory brick wall. The anti-smoking culture does not help.
PS: Sellers and buyers are not typically doing each other favors. They are trying to improve their respective situations.
I can see STG's side of the argument as a business, but it is a shame to see another American company folding. I'm from Virginia originally...and am a new pipe smoker. I'll be stocking up on some sutliff products if for no other reason than sentiment. When it was made in the old dominion. 🇺🇸
@@Tiredofthinkingforaname I agree - which products are you purchasing out of curiosity?
Where do you think the small time blenders that you want to support will get their blending components from? They're not going to be buying pallets from dealers and farmers. If they don't get it from C&D, then where? In a nutshell, support for the hobby means supporting those that can wholesale leaf to "blenders." In the US, that's C&D. But the questions remains, since C&D produces so many of their own blends, are they willing to wholesale leaf to small time blenders and compete with their own blends on a scale much larger than they already do? It may be that the time for tobacco shop house blends is coming to a close.
@@nglpos Was this not the same case for Sutliff providing that tobacco? I understand the small blenders aren’t buying whole leaf, but components. But, many were buying from Sutliff, who also made their own blends. Just not sure if this is a major issue because it’s no different than before, just a potential different supplier. I think the bigger problem potentially is volume. I’m not sure how much volume all the small guys combined purchased, and if C&D can meet those needs on top of what they currently produce.
@@TimberSmokeCo Sutilff and C&D's business models seem to be different. That's why you don't see C&D selling their tobacco stocks as blending components in a big way. They will produce products for those who cannot manufacture their own, but it's all done in house. They seem not to participate much in selling off processed leaf as blending components. I think it's wishful thinking to believe that C&D will start operating like a Sutliff.
Great video. I'm a small business man myself. I appreciate a loyal customer. I treat them honestly and they recommend me to others. The small time operator has a hard time competing with national or international businesses. I can compete and be lower on my labor rates but not on parts. That being said I appreciate that your are asking your followers to at least consider the small time, independent blenders.
Now as a guy that is extremely new to pipe smoking, can you put up a list of these blenders that you would recommend or buy from now?
Thank you.
@@chetusher444 Definitely! Some great options to start checking out would be - Country Squire Tobacconist, Watch City Cigars, Milan Tobacconist, JM Boswell’s, and LJ Peretti. All have a website and you can order online. There are plenty others as well, but I find the ones I listed above a good entry point for the smaller blenders, and most have them have smaller you can purchase to try a variety of blends to get an idea of what you like.
Also, as a sneak peak ahead, I plan on interviewing one of these blenders a month in 2025, and taking each month to highlight one of those blenders and their products. In January I’ll be starting with Milan Tobacconist!
Thank you for the list of blenders. I am going to subscribe to your channel and will be looking forward to those interviews.
I hope you have a great day and Merry Christmas.
@@chetusher444 Thank you! Merry Christmas!
Maybe we will get lucky and when they reduce sku’s they will just offer less size of package offerings first. Example if they offer 1 oz,2oz,4oz,8oz,16oz,and 5 pounds. Under reduced sku’s they only sell 8oz,16oz, and 5 pounds they eliminate half of sku’s without loosing any options and cut the 3200 to 1600 SKU’s. Crossing fingers. Pipe On
@@pipesofold8066That would be a pretty sweet deal for us if that’s the way it shakes out
I’m going to panic buy my favorite blend, as it’s made with a leaf that literally nobody else processes for or in their pipe tobacco blends. There’s no blend from C&D, G&H, Dan, etc. that contain even a whisper, so I’m left with no choice but to acquire while I can. Edit: I’m otherwise C&D and G&H all the way from here on out. They made most of my staples anyway
@@Orochi_001 Yeah, no shame in that. Hopefully blends like that will make their way to some other blender, or perhaps still persist under the STG banner
I think the biggest tobacco loss from this horrible Sutliff closure will be the components. There are components only Sutliff makes. And the scrapping of specialized equipment like those at MB that make coins. I’m a home blender, so I did buy a few pound of Sutliff components, because once gone, they are gone. STG sucks.
@@paragonpiper4081 Agreed. I think over the next 6-12 months we’ll really see the impact on various blenders who relied on Sutliff components.
Which brands does STG have now , not including the Sutliff acquired blends ? Thanks
@@BillKeechPiperRacingPhotog Captain Black, Sir Walter Raleigh, Borkum Riff, Peter Stokkebye, Half & Half, Orlik, Escudo, Lane to name a few. There are others for sure I’m missing. I also believe Peterson Pipe Tobacco is owned and produced by STG
@@TimberSmokeCook , thank you
@@TimberSmokeCoI've seen the same in several places, peterson is owned by STG. I think Stuff n' Things said something about the dunhill/peterson blends being on the chopping block after sutlifff is consolidated.
@@TimberSmokeCo Add Seattle Pipe Club tobacco as well. GL Pease and Corneal & Diehl doesn't!
@@James-kj4cy Yup, hopefully C&D and GLP will continue to hold strong, and I believe they will
What company wishes to decrease their market share? 🤔
They will most likely hold the same market share with fewer products. Plus, STG actually makes a lot of their money on cigars (they own brands like Drew Estate). I recently heard in the US, 33% of cigar sales are from STG’s brands
Yea couldnt finish this video, you started rambling. Sutliff and Mac gone and everything that comes with it. We get it. LIfe goes on.
Fair enough. I’m not loosing sleep, just wanted to share my thoughts
Reposted from Stuff & Things...but I want to post this here also...I am the 'Glass is Half Full' guy instead of Half Empty...
WARNING my opinion may not be popular in this crowd.
Thank You for bringing this information out. Well done. We all appreciate the work you have done to get this information out.
IMO...None of this is a surprise and I am fine with STC doing this. If I ran this company, I'd streamline the company also. Even as a guy that hits the pipe, I would still do it. This is normal stream-lining business operations, just like any business is forced to. If the business is bleeding money in certain brands and products, then you get rid of them. You only keep producing the best sellers that make money. I don't think it is fair for us to criticize STG for this. Think about it...Bradley from S&T read off that they have 111 brands; 3002 products; and 76 markets? Crazy. Too much. Reducing 3002 products by 60% is still 1801 products. How many blends (products) do we need? What Bradley said was they are getting rid of 'tail blends' or the boutique blends that no one buys. They said MacB will continue, but will discontinue 50% of their blends and keep the money makers. Fine, MacB lives. Moving two websites into one, fine. They said we'd still have an American distribution and fulfillment center in Bethlehem, PA. Smaller boutique blends, like SPC would probably still survive. Great. Peterson blends? I assume that they would keep 5 or 6 of the best sellers. We don't know yet. What is the really loss here? Sutliff, some Peterson and some smaller blends? Sutliff is really getting erased, so I do feel sorry for the company, workers and folks that enjoy their blends. SPC would be a painful loss for us American pipers, if that even happens. The sky is not falling, however. We still have our hobby. Stock up what you think may go away, and start buying C&D, Boswell, Country Squire, GL Pease, etc. This is very normal. I'll still buy my STG favorites. No boycott from me.
The end of an era and beginning of a new one. Amazon killed off Main Street and the Malls. Sears and Kmart are gone. Certain foods from the 70's & 80's are not made any more. For those of us living in America, we are lucky. We still have so many blends that are really inexpensive in this country. Normal, life changes. The tough loss here are the folks that really consume a lot of Sutliff and probably the Brick and Mortars. For the rest of us, we'd still have plenty of good brands and blends and we'll still have our hobby. I just think making STG out to be this big evil company or proclaiming capitalism is evil, is unfair. Yes, it does suck, but 3002 tobacco products and we just expect them to keep them alive for our little pipe community? Really, friends? We'll be fine with 1800 products and 53 brands instead of 3002 products and 111 brands. How many blends in your rotation? I only have like 20 regulars blends I smoke. I only cellar, maybe 30 - 40 blends. Plenty. Times change and companies and folks have to adapt. We cellar what we have now and move onto other blends if need be. I am not going to panic. I will continue to enjoy our beloved hobby. We as a Pipe T Community will be fine. Happy Holidays (2024) Everyone! 🤠
@@buffalobill9048 I may not agree with everything here, but I do think there’s a number of good points worth considering. An employer of STG started a thread on pipesmagazine.com forum, and expressed some similar items there. I plan on covering one last follow up with what was presented there. The main point being, like them or not, STG is continuing to sell lots of pipe tobacco in a dying hobby. Pipe tobacco probably doesn’t sell as much or make the margins like their cigars do (for example, STG owns Drew Estate). Yet, they continue to provide pipe tobacco for those of us that enjoy it. Not to say there aren’t other concerns, but it’s definitely something that should be considered before making a full on boycott of their products
@@TimberSmokeCo I think we all agree the industry and hobby shift sucks for those of us that enjoy pipe T. Once you think about it, vaping is the new market and our community is dying off. I'll still enjoy it. C'est le vie.
@@TimberSmokeCo I am looking for that thread from this STG Employee. What is the category and name of this thread? Or what is his forum name? Trying to find it. - Thxs.
@@buffalobill9048 here’s the thread: pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/questions-for-leonardw.107686/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1RaFSALTQvGQvofh7NUTSmfd89_APCxiKKnCW9hM-mducJnwqU-NSNCFk_aem_wxdeqEe6_bO9rFmfcpl_NA
@@TimberSmokeCo Thxs. I want to read this. Important stuff. 👍