My Experience Charging a Rivian with Tesla Superchargers
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Marques just got back from charging his Rivian at a Tesla Supercharger, so he walks us through the entire experience!
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Nice job shouting out the State of Charge guy. I like it when big RUclipsrs help out little RUclipsrs.
Just funny that guy kept calling him Marquis lol
@@sakenu16 what's wrong with calling him marquis?
Markees
@@Mirsab the spelling basically
Tom is already a rock star.
In the EU in NL they have installed the V4 Supercharger with longer cables because of the problems with the short cables. So it is a matter of time that North America will see the same supercharger.
Superchargers were opened for non-Tesla in 15 EU countries, UK and Australia last year. The cable length issue will be fixed with V4 and retrofits for V3.
Exactly right. Tesla has a good reputation for chagrging, because they have always cared, and usually got to the right answer sooner than everybody else. Don't get me wrong, I don't want a monopoly, so I want these other guys to succeed too, but I'm happy Tesla is jumping in.
@@fjalics Who are these other guys? Electrify America is a court settlement over dieselgate. The Charger subsidies are open to anyone. We also have the state run subsidize networks so that means 50 new charge companies with their own choice of hardware.
No one is voluntarily investing in CCS at all. It exists due to government action or government subsidy. CCS is tiny because the companies making CCS cars are not building any chargers to support their own product.
When the subsidies and state networks are all done, tesla laughably will be the largest CCS network due to how little is being spent by other car companies on CCS. CCS is dead, the salvation is they can swap CCS tips for BACS because they have the exact same wiring. You can use the CCS protocol over NACS just fine. None of these CCS chargers are stuck staying CCS.
@@_PatrickO EVGO Chargepoint Blink. Every EV that isn't a Tesla is CCS except for the Leaf which is going away, so about 1/3 of EVs.
@@fjalics 1/3 of the company that has less than 1/3 of the amount of chargers
Luckily tesla mentioned during investor day that V4 would have longer cables to help non-tesla vehicles connect.
Tesla is literally apple in a parallel universe
Literally Apple but for cars
Apple cry boys can literally cry about Tesla too.
This is not true, at least not in this context! When apple does this, they dont cripple their premium paying customer. Here Rivian and others are charging at the expense of other Tesla spots.
@@YashCodesX paying the same amount bucko, stop using our CCS then friend
In this case maybe, but don’t compare Elon to Steve, Tim, Craig, Ive or any of the talent at Apple. Elon ain’t worth jack
MKB Congrats on getting the Rivian .Loved all the videos on EVs on the channel too.Great Podcast Guy’s.
If the state are serious about the 97% uptime, there is a simple solution: mandate a sign posted on each charger with a unique QR code to report if it's down.
Marques is so smart it’s great to see his leadership. Keep leading, Marques.
This is Type C and Lightning port all over again
And the EU have solved (or will solve) both of them. Just make CCS the standard by law and be done. Teslas in the EU have the common plug since nearly a decade now.
@@cyan_oxy6734 CCS sucks though lol, they need to bring out a new one that's lighter and smaller. At least with lightning, that was objectively worse than USB-C
@@cyan_oxy6734 to be honest Tesla NACS is better than CCS.
@@cyan_oxy6734
NACS > CCS
I'd love to see how a hummer ev would fit in these charger stations.
google the dimensions, draw it out, see for yourself. profit?
A HUMMER EV is an oxymoron!
As a Tesla supporter, I think this is a great move for the entire electric car industry, because of the number of Tesla chargers everywhere the ease of access and being able to put any car on it would be great for the market.
Nope Tesla has opened like 10 chargers for compliance with Biden agreement and will take forever now to actually update the rest. The cable is too short, if you want to make your chargers open to all makes then do the job right.
It is not a good move for us Tesla owners. Our screen will tell us how many spots are available. We get there and there are non teslas taking up 2 spots.
@@keyatm3972 IT IS the RIGHT MOVE under the initiative of trying to increase the number of electric vehicles on the road. People can now buy other models and not have to worry ab not finding a spot because they can now go to the thousands of Tesla chargers.
It's up to the other auto makers to put the charge port in the correct location if they want to help THEIR customers use Tesla Superchargers.
So they redesigned the Tesla chargers to include an adapter for other EV models but didn't think to make the cable a little bit longer so other EVs could charge easier and avoid a parking lot mess which will just serve to annoy existing Tesla owners. Genius big brained Tesla move
They just did it for the free federal money. They don't care if other cars can actually charge. Malicious compliance, basically. Except in this case, it might backfire if it harms the tesla owners' experience.
@@anuj3956 Wait... you're saying a company is doing something to make money rather than out of the goodness of their hearts??? Lol.
Only unpopular superchargers are being opened, the new ones (V4) have longer cables, which will be the majority of open ones.
Tesla should not open Supercharger to other when they are not ready. It's not like they has money problems. They've $20B in the bank and growing. This will worsen for Tesla owner for sure.
@@mukamuka0 they're being careful about which ones are open, and giving priority via routing through the navigation to Tesla owners. I wouldn't worry about it yet
THIS is what the SAE -- Society of Auto Engineers was formed for. Standards serving both auto manufacturers and electric chargers should be established by reps of both to set standards and US funding should depend on conformity. The SAE has long since become internationally recognized.
BTW, for what reason does extending the cables at a Tesla station require charger 'rebuilding?'
Why was there no talk about having the other car companies put their charging port either in the rear right or rear left. There needs to be some standardization it doesn’t just come down to Tesla changing their system.
Guys you’re making the solution much tougher than it really is. This has been a thing with gas tanks on cars for years, they just need to reconfigure the lots to be more like gas stations so you can park every which way.
This is what I was gonna say 😂
Right. Like gas pumps, chargers are cheap compared to electricity and supply lines.
Yeah it’s a simple solution in some ways
The stations aren’t like couches you can just pickup and turn.
Currently most supercharger stations are usually added to existing parking lots at shopping centers or restaurants. This is why the stations are usually located at a curb at the front of parking spaces. But hopefully as Tesla create their own convenience stores, they can design the placement more like current gas stations.
V4 superchargers have longer cables, as spotted in the Netherlands. It may not even matter anymore on which side the charging port is.
What if cars start putting the charge port in a better location? Easier said than done I’m sure.
What If they had a cable on both sides of the chargers?
It's been confirmed that the V4 superchargers will have much longer cables so that they can charge Tesla's and non Tesla EVs without causing issues with vehicle positioning in charging spaces
As a tesla owner, i have only ever used the supercharger for fast charging. Sometimes at school i use the charge point level 2 just because its there.
Both Albany superchargers are usually full on weekends. We travel Albany NY-Erie PA route a lot. Both by the NY Thruway and The Southern Tier. The NY Thruway has seen a lot of new superchargers recently. The Southern Tier seems forgotten.
I think the best solution is a hybrid... The f-150s that are eco-diesel with a huge battery are so cool. You can run a whole camper in generator mode! Probably a house
Lemme game this out. The next version supercharger (V4) is already being installed in Europe and confirmed to have a longer cable. V3 Changers were paid for by Tesla, so it's likely that select V3 stations would be converted, to provide an open network similar to Tesla's phase 1 network, generally allowing state to state and coast to coast US charging, but not open global charging in high density areas. That would be reserved for the V4 charger's to be rolled out with govt incentives.
You cannot remove the adapter. Others have show this, already.
Some Supercharger info:
The V4 chargers are already rolling out with longer cables so the V3 retrofit was definitely just a pilot program to test the Magic Dock and App functionality.
The Trip Planner onboard Tesla vehicles knows how crowded every Supercharger is and routes appropriately to suggest quieter locations.
The charging port design Tesla uses is now open source so the only thing stopping other automakers from adopting it is their own unwillingness to implement it.
Tesla hinted at exploring induction charging during their Investor Day presentation last week, though no word on this being added to Superchargers.
Who cares if it’s open source why would anyone go to using Tesla’s when a publicly available standard is already there? A standard that is used by every single car manufacturer in the world other then Tesla. Tesla made their connector when there wasn’t a standard so it’s understandable why they were using it for so long. But they continue to use that old connector instead of switching to the standard which is just ridiculous. They already use the standard CCS in other countries so I can’t fathom why they continue sell Tesla’s in the US with their original Tesla connector. I guess they can sell more adapters 🙈
Maybe because CCS is absolute garbage? Everyone hates it, women complain about having difficulty handling the cable.
Tesla's Superchargers vastly outnumber all other charging networks and will be doubling over the next year. Any car company that adopts NACS will instantly have access to all of it. Not just those with Magic Docks. If we don't force them to now before its too late we'll be stuck with a horrible, anti-consumer "standard" forever.
The only reason EU adopted CCS is because VW designed it and lobbied the government heavily. Ditto for Asia who's standard just so happened to be designed by Toyota and other Asian OEMs.
@@taal223 for Europe, NACS is utter rubbish.
In most of Europe housing is connected to 400v 3 phase power with low current (my house 25A)
You would be limited to 5kw with a NACS connector, Tesla used a modified type 2 connector in Europe for model s.
Also CCS type 2 has a grab handle making it incredibly easy to plug in.
@@sciencetestsubject I'm talking about North America, not switching over Europe.
Marques completely missed how the F150 guy kept calling him Marquis (MAR-KEEYS) lol
He deserves it! 🤣
Tom is into EV since 2012.
I think most non-Tesla EVs have it in the front-left or the front above the bumper:
- Mach-E
- Bolt EV and EUV
- F-150 Lightning
- Lucid Air
- Rivian R1T/R1S
- Kona EV (front)
- Niro EV (front)
- Nissan Leaf (front)
- Lyriq
- Blazer EV
- Equinox EV
As a Mach-E and Bolt EV owner, I would only stop at a Tesla station if other nearby stations weren't up. They'll be cheaper most of the time unless I'm a Tesla member, and EA/EV Go semi-regularly have free charging. I also don't want to be a jerk and block stations for Tesla owners that might not be able to use CCS
Everything that I heard they will not open even half of the superchargers in the US. Only the under utilized mainly. The only reason that the one you went to had many non Teslas is because everyone wanted to test it out.
I purchased my ID.4 over the Tesla Model Y because I liked it overall better. However, had I known the nightmare that is non-Tesla charging, I would have gotten the Tesla. That said, for 97% uptime while traveling, I will happily pay a king's random for the peace of mind of knowing I will make it home without the aid of towing. For the many things that I pray 🙏🏾 for, Tesla completely opening up their Superchargers is one of them. Thanks,
its like blue bubble green bubble again.. 😅
So basically all EVs should have charging ports in the same part of the car
Or
All charging stations should be able to charge all corners of a car?
Elon said he will be getting his 44 billion back at any needs 💀
step 1: open your exclusive chargers to everyone
Having technicians go to stations and swap out a 6-foot cable for a 12-foot cable should be super easy.
Those cables are cooled which is why they are so short, but there isn't a great reason why future stations can't come with an extra foot of cable.
I know this won't be a thing but I hoped it was talked about:
Should we either (or neither)
a) make a regulation for charger location in ev chargers
b) make a regulation that requires all charger stations to comply with certain car widths, cable distance, min. Maximum capacity, etc. So that cars can have freedom of design but keep in mind how the infrastructure will grow?
can you buy an extension cable to use at these stations? I know that's not ideal but it could help the individuals out in the meantime
I think someone in the cable and wire bussiness, could make you a cable.
doubt it, you've got hundreds off Kw running through them, so they're pretty expensive and high tech cables, with cooling etc
No you can’t because of the cooling built into them
In SoCal a lot of ChargePoint chargers are vandalized, not working. Can email them - sometimes they deny it - probably because 1 person can somehow rig the thing to connect (breaking the top clip off is very popular apparently).
Then there are rates - some malls have chargers - prices are insane. I’m lucky: employer put in 16 chargers, I get in early and get cheap juice. Otherwise I could have never gotten a Model 3.
Nissan problem solved the port location on their EV: Front and center 💀
Ev Port locations should be standard or extension cables at charging stations.
Or have diagonal parking spaces that will be compatible with multiple vehicle variety
Makes the accuracy of how many stalls are available questionable. Can't really trust the app for these chargers now.
I would imagine that tesla is working on something where users can input their vehicle type into the app so that it knows where the charging port is, and can limit availability of stalls in order to optimize for max utilization. That way all of the Teslas go to one side, and the rivians go to the other and they don’t interfere as much.
Speculation
Great idea! This would be an awesome feature and requires only software. It would be an exclusive feature on the Tesla app and would drive usage to the app as well as memberships.
Make the adaptors longer.
The V4 supercharger will have a longer cable. Tesla chargers are a 400v system. Most new electric vehicles have a 800v system so the charge speed depends on the DC to DC inverter in the car. I Tesla v4 charger has a 800v/400v the charge speeds for other models will increase dramatically
Tesla will roll out V4 superchargers with longer cables and magic docs for new chargers to get subsidies on those. I doubt they will retrofit most of the current deployed chargers.
Great discustiona dn thanks for shouting out State of Charge and Out of Spec Dave!
Tesla won’t roll the CCS adapter to their busiest locations. Only to the low volume superchargers. And they have the data so will be easy to account for. And they’re cables not hoses😂
I didn't realize how expensive it was to charge. At this point using public chargers would actually be more expensive than gas. I'm really surprised that's not talked about more
2/3 of the US have access to garages and can charge overnight for much much less. And the more chargers that open, the more competition for lower prices.
@Steven But how much more is it on your electric bill? Is it really affordable? Is it really worth it? At this point it's more of a flex to own and ride a tesla.
@@Mr.DontKnow like 10-20 more a month
@@Steven-996 2/3 of housing units (not houses or buildings, UNITS) have access to a garage or carport, not 2/3 of the US. And having access to a garage doesn’t mean you have access to private charging. Take out all the carports that can’t be fitted with a charger, all the people renting houses who don’t have the option to add charging to their garage, all the people living in spaces with shared garages (like apartments) that aren’t able to add charging, and then take out all the people who can’t afford to add charging to their house, and you’re left with the vast majority of the US. So it’s definitely wrong to say 2/3 will be able to charge overnight for much less
@@TehCannonvX
If there's a 110v outlet in your garage you can do 90% of charging there, assuming you drive the avg daily miles for an american you will be fine. For the days you will drive 100 miles you can supercharge
Why can't EV makers just standardized the location of the charging port? Driver side rear is perfect, tesla nailed it.
Teslas navigation seamlessly integrates charging stations even preconditions battery’s as approach station in the cold no apps or credit cards. In/out in 15 minutes with 250 miles. Real time updates available stalls no surprises
Thanks for the vid Marquis!
I think Tesla should technically open all of there network to all EV's, the NACS standard, an let the car industry decide not to use it. Then the Bolt EV owners can pressure GM to change to NACS standard... Convert the industry!
I think here in Europe the charger cables are a bit longer, not sure if it's everywhere.
I just need to know if the charging speed is the same…I would get a Rivian if it can use the TSC, and it charges it at the same rate…
Kempower works every time, just as reliable as Tesla, we have them Norway. ABB (alway be broken) have many problems.
Checks can be done with monitoring of the devices over a cellular, or Internet connection 7x24.
If the other evs makers would just use the better port you wouldnt need the magic dock.
ugh... i can pull up to a gas station and just see the published rates before going... no short hose problems etc.. I'm not ready for an EV yet... I'll let people work out more kinks.. but that stretching of the cable for the F150 could affect the charger up time over time
V4 Superchargers will have a longer cable. This leaked last week in Europe
Yes, Telsa is extending the cables on the new V4 Superchargers to not run into problems with different charpeport positions. And no, there are no fights in Europe about stalls... 😁
I think the department you were trying to describe was NYPA, the New York power authority, they run the EvolveNY stations. 8:23
Also, I think V4 super chargers are supposed to have longer cables.
The adapter can't be stolen, it locks into the harness once a non-tesla user enables it
are you sure? plug in a home charger head / mobile charger head, then unlock and walk away with it
You could go try it lol, the home charger head is not a DC charger I'm sure you know that @@kevindamen6813
This is so delayed after your auto focus video... Why?
V4 charger had a longer cable and I assumed there are extension cable for that charger so maybe they just retro fit a extension cord on top of the existing cable maybe?
Converting the industry wont happen over night, but in a few years. Ford GM, and the rest, will comply. Tesla could get even more funding, without the lines, till the rest or the car industry convert to the BEST. Make an option to upgrade my Chevy Bolt EV. Technically I've owned my bolt since 2019 and have never charged on a fast charger. Only at my home.......... For the last 4 yrs. Would make my Bolt more value for my once a year trips...
It’s going to be along and arduous process, and depending on the EV you have it’s going to be a complicated change too, but it’s definitely going to be a game changer for the EV market.
Tesla is currently rolling out a new V4 350 kW Supercharger which will be equipped with a longer cable.
There needs to be a a single apter standard a some point so you can use any charge station
The supercharger near me has parking on both sides, so that should alleviate the double parking issue if they install a magic dock there.
Always love to see the ending of the clips 😂
if you have to rely on any charging network get a gas car , You mostly charge at home , i got my R1t for 4 months , only have level 2 at home at 20 amps, srive a lot and still do all may charging at home , only a few times i did need to charge ay a public charger , but it was before i had the charger at home
With Tesla’s on the left super chargers and non Tesla’s on the right only 1 spot is unusable.
Tesla could take the logo off the chargers and just put NACS on the top.... More friendly to non Tesla's
11 now, opened new one on Long Island, New York.
I love the end of this video. I too am the guy who doesn't know what everyone else is talking about.
Other EV makers could also do a "Google Messages" move and include charging extender cables with their cars, or at an extra cost too that would connect to the tesla adapter and give more length for their cars.
But that wouldn’t be a google message move at all. When google did what they did, they made apple users feel the same pain android users did, by receiving an extra message, since they don’t know how to handle the new android message. By other EV manufacturers providing an extender cable, they simply make their cars more attractive to buyers, while not affecting Tesla drivers at all.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 I see what you mean, but I dont think other ev makers should mess with tesla on this YET, lol. Although one can say that some tesla users might be annoyed that their spots are going to be busier more often if they add these adapters in more and more stations.
Or they could just move charge port close to front or rear vehicle. Longer cable is bad for efficiency, weight and cost (Station cost).
Just make all the new charging stations pull through like gas stations then it doesn't matter what side the charging port is on.
I don't understand why it makes a difference.if the chargeport is on the back left or front left. If you park front first isn't it exactly the same from a charger's persoective?
What?
Can't the vehicle maker offer a charging extension cable?...
5:45 urinal analogy 🤣
Could CCS fabricate a 2 foot extension cord with a CCS end that would plug into the vehicle and the other end would be a receptical for the regular Tesla plug from the stall?
maybe all evs should have a unified charging port location like how gas cars have it behind the left or right backseat doors.
Pretty dumb that they retrofitted the chargers but didn't put a cable extension on them. I wonder if that was on purpose so people don't prioritise them for non-teslas.
in europe and asia this should be even easier to implement since over here teslas have to be sold with ccs, and as a amatter of fact they retrofitted old superchargers with both ccs and tesla specific cable for the older s and x models
@Phillip Banes all over europe and as i said , teslas are not sold with the proprietary connector, but with the standard ccs, every ev has to have it , even the japanese cars that used the chatemo now are being switched to ccs ,for comon infrastructure
@Phillip Banes and in asia where chatemo is the standard teslas comply to the chatemo connector for theyr common infrastructure
@Phillip Banes the new cars yes use ccs in russia too ora at least used, who knows what is happening now...
I am the one... the only... the first!
I wonder if someone can offer a CCS extension harness for CCS owners that could easily park in the intended Tesla charging spot. I know V4 has a longer cable but it may be a while to retrofit the entire network.
The ccs cables are liquid cooled. There is no way to cool the extension.
@@Psi-Storm ahh, yes I forgot the Tesla cables are liquid cooled.
tbh I think tesla should just sell an extension cable for non teslas, instead of putting an adapter on existing chargers
Love the shirt!
If you own a tesla you are automatically a member with the cheaper rate. Non tesla pay 10 cents more per kw but can get the the cheaper cost if they pay for a membership. The government money is acceptable for retrofits. And it's paid out per charger. So if they retrofit 2 chargers, they get paid for 2 chargers
Tesla needs to start the "gas station style" food and charge stations..... Now
The CCS adapter for the charger should be a short length of additional cable. Problem solved!
Would Tesla owners need to buy special adapters to charge on electrify America network?
More than likely, Tesla will have to create longer cables for "multi-use" Superchargers. They are doing it in Europe. I think they will also have to look at spacing and possible making a Tesla and Non-Tesla sections so you don't rub the Tesla owners too bad.
Hah....I've never gone to a gas station and ever had someone in front of me take only 2 min. :-) Still, point made . . . a Bolt EV (as much as I really like the car) would really slow things down at a busy Tesla SC station. 55 kw/h is slow compared to most vehicles on the market right now, and fast charging ours takes 45 - 60 min if you drain it down low like you would on a road trip. It's a big reason we also own a Mach-E . . . which is still slower than the fastest SC sessions in newer Teslas (even if not by a ton).
Why not move the chargers to in-between the cars where the parking lines are then it could reach anywhere on the side of the car and if the port is on the other side just reverse park? Basically how gas station pumps are
Hate the lack of real buttons for critical controls - electric cars do not have to fix things that were never a problem!
Need a charger extension adapter
The USA, Canada and Mexico needs to mandate front right or rear left EV charging ports.
Talking about the important things 😉
I wonder if they will let non-Teslas buy that Magic dock/CCS connector separately and charge at any Tesla SC station? I'd buy it if they sold it.
The retrofit is clearly not just the adapter but also the apps ability to communicate with a particular stall to unlock it and energize the cable for charging.
I love the outro 😂
To fix, they need a second set of parking on the opposite side of the chargers.
Several Supercharger parking lots are already designed that way.