Great comparison. I’ve been using the Voigtlander for a couple of months and it has replaced my Summicron for travel. I have the aluminum version and it is so light and performs so good for night street and events.
So, I owned the Voigtlander already, and I just bought the Thypoch last week to compare them, and here's what I'll add from my own experiences: - I'm going to return the Thypoch, even though I truly like the image quality more. - The Thypoch is heavier by just enough that with my m10 and thin leather strap, it feels too heavy compared to the aluminum Voigtlander. - I like the Voigtlander build and design choices more. - I like that the Voigtlander is lighter and smaller - I like the classic depth of field indicator on the Voigtlander (much easier to use) - I like the traditional focus tab more - I prefer the 1/2 increments on the Voigtlander instead of the 1/3 stops on the Thypoch - The focus throw on the Thypoch feels uneven -- it seems like it slowly goes from infinity to 2m, then quickly from 2m to 0.4m - I actually didn't love the detent at 0.7m. It's not smooth and basically felt like you can focus at 0.7 or 0.4, and anything in between felt difficult to dial in. - The Thypoch has better character in the images and MUCH better control of field curvature - The Thypoch is probably the better deal if you don't mind the negatives I listed. If the size difference didn't bother me, I probably would have put up with the downsides and sold my Voigtlander. But as it stands, the Voigtlander gets out of my way better, and for me that's worth way more than the slight improvement in image quality.
@@zenden6564 I would definitely guess the Thypoch. The biggest problem I've had with M mount lenses on Sony bodies is how it affects the field curvature, so the Voigtlander would be starting out not great in that respect and then the Sony sensor stack would make it even worse. Would highly recommend the Thypoch on Sony.
I Love using the adapter Pholsy or Fotasy ( I can't Remember) , using the M Mount Voigtlander 75mm f/1.8 Helios lens. I have used the F Mount Nikon Zeiss 50mm f/2 Makro-Planar on the SL2-S and the Voigtlander and it is great. I hate to say it I still like the autofocusing lenses better. It does give me experience on what the Mr. Leica's People go through. Cheers!
As far as 6-bit coding goes, you can get a blank 6 bit code mount and paint in the code (in this case the 28mm Summilux) yourself, as well as I've even seen some eBay stores offer to paint in whichever code you specify upon purchase. Obviously you also need to get the correct type of mount, in this case the 28/90 to make sure the framelines are correct. As always, nice little video! I hope you get to cover Typoch's next lens, the 50mm f2 Eureka which is a remake of a Reid Taylor-Hobson from the 1940s. It looks awesome besides the odd divot on the top of the lens mount, which feels it could compromise the mount or at least could collect dust & dirt over time.
This video was very insightful. I like how you utilized the lenses in different scenarios, different light sources and subjects. I also like how you kept expectations grounded, these are budget options. Perfect mix of vlog and information, thanks!
Hello Benj, thanks for this video, the Voigtlander lens hood are to be purchased separately, on one hand it adds another 100 to the bill on the other hand the hood is premium metal, you get to choose the one you like (rectangular or round) you can buy it again if you would loose it (who does that) or not buying it at all if you're on a budget. This 28 renders superb fully open.
Samuel Streetlife compared them two months ago, but the Thypoch he had was pre-production. The interesting thing he found out was the adaptor for Nikon made a big difference in infinity focus accuracy.
Besides having the Leica 24-70mm f/2.8 and the 90-280 f/2.8-4 I love the Sigma L Mount I Series Lenses 35mm, 45mm, 65mm, 90mm and the 150-600mm OSS Sports Telephoto Zoom lens. I do also own the Sigma 24mm f/1.4 DG DN Art and the Panasonic 50mm & 85mm f/1.8 plus the 14-24mm wide zoom. Also I have the Panasonic 50mm f/1.4 Pro. I love the Leica SL2-S and the Panasonic's S5II & S5IIX cameras. I have all three cameras and lenses plus dummy batterires, chargers and one open spot for the new Leica SL3 to fit in two rucksacks. My everyday camera besides the Nikon Zf is the Leica Q3. Cheers!
I'd assume you took your test shots on a tripod, but I'd love a video on tips for shooting with Leica/non-stabilized cameras. I continually struggle to get even semi-sharp photos on my M11, which just makes the 60MP feel like a waste.
do you have the black M11? If so it will be harder than with M's that use brass, the heavier M cameras have a better center of gravity for shooting at low shutter speeds. Supporting your elbows on your body, breathing out just before pressing the shutter are all things you can try to stabilize the camera a bit more
Oh my god, can someone competent like you finally do a real review of that Techart adapter that actual runs it through real world scenarios. Nothing online goes in depth on that thing. Also, I know it tops out at 500g but I'm curious if you can get away with 530 or 590g lenses. I have a 90 summicron that would be amazing with autofocus.
I've read several store reviews saying that Techart support is nonexistent and that the adapter can break on you randomly. It's pretty expensive for an adapter with those risks.
Out of the 28mm you've tested, which one (or ones) do you feel have more character in their rendering? I love squirly bokeh and a vintage feel in the rendering, so I'm trying to figure out what's the best lens for the purpose (ideally without sacrificing sharpness, or at least not too much :) )
😅The first generation 28mm Ultron is not that sharp. I don’t know about the falloff. I was so disappointed about the Ultron that I brought a Summicron Asph. Sharper and much sharper full open than the Thypoch. Newer Voigtlander lenses tend to be sharper than the older versions. I brought the Typoch for the 1 stop more light than the Summicron. It has its own character. Which makes it a unique experience.
Fun comparison! You were saying something about T stops. If both lenses were at, say, f2, does one let in more light than the other at the same exposure settings? And compared to the Ultron?
Okay, thanks Ben. I was obsessing over the Zeiss Distagon f2 / 28mm classic lens for more than 2 months now. This is because I have a new Nikon Zf and want a wide angle lens to go with it. Now, I am not even sure, if I should try this Voigtlander and see if I should buy this instead. Does anyone here, have a comparison between this 28mm Voigtlander and the classic Zeiss 28mm Distagon? Or any thoughts? I would welcome some suggestions. Thanks
Are you referring to the post-Hollywood Zeiss Distagon 28/2? This is a very special albeit heavy lens, way bigger than the Voigtlander. With an adapter, it will be huge on the Zf. I have not physically compared them, but it's reasonable to assume that the Voigtlander will let in more light and give more depth of field control than the Zeiss f2. I'm not entirely sold on the Voigtlander's bokeh, but the Zeiss Classic's bokeh and rendering is superb. It's sharp with a ton of pop and lots of contrast.
@@raksh9 Thank you! the size of the Zeiss Distagon, might put me off. I guess I will have to try before I buy it. If it is not too unwieldly, then I may just keep it.
As an owner of the Voigtlander 28mm 1.5, I'm actually finding the Thypoch images to be a little more pleasant for one big reason: the lack of field curvature. I love the Voigtlander 28, but the edges start to come back into focus at 1.5, and it can make a sort of unnatural look, at times. I prefer the look and weight of the Voigtlander lens, but in terms of image character and look, I'm frustratingly drawn to the Thypoch.
@@benjhaisch You‘re right! The 28mm black version has that silver front ring while the 35mm seems to be all black! Could have sworn that early review 28mm simeras are all black
It’s not as “perfect” as the cron and seems a little longer, but depending on your wants/needs out of a lens, it could be great. Only thing I’m seeing is some field curvature on the Voigtlander, which could be an issue at first/1.5
From 45 years of experience I have learned that 28mm for full frame sensor Cameras (24x36mm) is more or less useless, it always seems either too long or too short, clumsy ! Now I use 21mm (sometimes 24mm) and 35mm.
@@rodneyreeves9434 For me it is "useless", I have had 28mm lenses, but I am much more comfortable using either 24mm or 35mm Lenses for full frame cameras. Many years ago a 28mm was more common because a 24mm was often double the price. Today when many focal length have about the same price range, it makes no sence to choose a 28mm !
Kind of non-committal and unhelpful video. Even if both lenses are kind of similar, I would have liked to see more side-by-side shots so that I could at least judge for myself which lens would be better for me. I usually enjoy your videos more. Looking forward to your experience with the Zf.
@@benjhaisch I totally get it, but as someone without either lens in hand, it would have been more helpful to see more side-by-side photos so I could make my own judgement. You did a very good job conveying the perceived weight differences and the physical differences, which are both very important characteristics.
@@MatthewSeratti I mean that’s fair since there aren’t really other channels covering those other pixel peeping kind of details like there are with other reviews. I usually try to focus more on the experience and the output than the others but it does make sense to add *more* of that than normal on a video like this moving forward.
i can only say the lens I was most doubtful about its long term value was my Voigtländer 35. It's the best lens I have EVER bought that combines excellent sharpness when ypi want it with wonderful character when you need it. Superb resale vaöue as well.
After trying both, I went with the Voigt. Didn't like the mechanics and weird design choices of the Thypoch. Like the sharpness in the Voigt as well.
Great comparison. I’ve been using the Voigtlander for a couple of months and it has replaced my Summicron for travel. I have the aluminum version and it is so light and performs so good for night street and events.
So, I owned the Voigtlander already, and I just bought the Thypoch last week to compare them, and here's what I'll add from my own experiences:
- I'm going to return the Thypoch, even though I truly like the image quality more.
- The Thypoch is heavier by just enough that with my m10 and thin leather strap, it feels too heavy compared to the aluminum Voigtlander.
- I like the Voigtlander build and design choices more.
- I like that the Voigtlander is lighter and smaller
- I like the classic depth of field indicator on the Voigtlander (much easier to use)
- I like the traditional focus tab more
- I prefer the 1/2 increments on the Voigtlander instead of the 1/3 stops on the Thypoch
- The focus throw on the Thypoch feels uneven -- it seems like it slowly goes from infinity to 2m, then quickly from 2m to 0.4m
- I actually didn't love the detent at 0.7m. It's not smooth and basically felt like you can focus at 0.7 or 0.4, and anything in between felt difficult to dial in.
- The Thypoch has better character in the images and MUCH better control of field curvature
- The Thypoch is probably the better deal if you don't mind the negatives I listed.
If the size difference didn't bother me, I probably would have put up with the downsides and sold my Voigtlander. But as it stands, the Voigtlander gets out of my way better, and for me that's worth way more than the slight improvement in image quality.
Great summary, thanks for sharing!
Both lenses are exactly 330g so not sure how you are getting one as heavier
There are two different versions of the Voigtlander
@@Seapatico - could you say if the Thypoch or the Voigtlander would render better on mirrorless like the Sony A7s?
@@zenden6564 I would definitely guess the Thypoch. The biggest problem I've had with M mount lenses on Sony bodies is how it affects the field curvature, so the Voigtlander would be starting out not great in that respect and then the Sony sensor stack would make it even worse. Would highly recommend the Thypoch on Sony.
I Love using the adapter Pholsy or Fotasy ( I can't Remember) , using the M Mount Voigtlander 75mm f/1.8 Helios lens. I have used the F Mount Nikon Zeiss 50mm f/2 Makro-Planar on the SL2-S and the Voigtlander and it is great. I hate to say it I still like the autofocusing lenses better. It does give me experience on what the Mr. Leica's People go through. Cheers!
As far as 6-bit coding goes, you can get a blank 6 bit code mount and paint in the code (in this case the 28mm Summilux) yourself, as well as I've even seen some eBay stores offer to paint in whichever code you specify upon purchase. Obviously you also need to get the correct type of mount, in this case the 28/90 to make sure the framelines are correct.
As always, nice little video! I hope you get to cover Typoch's next lens, the 50mm f2 Eureka which is a remake of a Reid Taylor-Hobson from the 1940s. It looks awesome besides the odd divot on the top of the lens mount, which feels it could compromise the mount or at least could collect dust & dirt over time.
This video was very insightful. I like how you utilized the lenses in different scenarios, different light sources and subjects. I also like how you kept expectations grounded, these are budget options. Perfect mix of vlog and information, thanks!
Very cool!..that Thypoch depth of filed scale..adds character and is really cool...thats something you dont see anymore..
It has been mentioned that it makes the lens less weather sealed.
I’ve been waiting for this video too!
3 years have past since you tested the 28mm 1.4 7artisan. Time flies
No joke!
Would love to see you test out the VM 35/1.5 too!
You’re the best with disclosures! Appreciate your honest reviews Benj!
Appreciate that, I really hate when it’s not clear what to expect as far as relationships from creators.
Hello Benj, thanks for this video, the Voigtlander lens hood are to be purchased separately, on one hand it adds another 100 to the bill on the other hand the hood is premium metal, you get to choose the one you like (rectangular or round) you can buy it again if you would loose it (who does that) or not buying it at all if you're on a budget. This 28 renders superb fully open.
The comparison we needed so bad!
Samuel Streetlife compared them two months ago, but the Thypoch he had was pre-production. The interesting thing he found out was the adaptor for Nikon made a big difference in infinity focus accuracy.
Besides having the Leica 24-70mm f/2.8 and the 90-280 f/2.8-4 I love the Sigma L Mount I Series Lenses 35mm, 45mm, 65mm, 90mm and the 150-600mm OSS Sports Telephoto Zoom lens. I do also own the Sigma 24mm f/1.4 DG DN Art and the Panasonic 50mm & 85mm f/1.8 plus the 14-24mm wide zoom. Also I have the Panasonic 50mm f/1.4 Pro. I love the Leica SL2-S and the Panasonic's S5II & S5IIX cameras. I have all three cameras and lenses plus dummy batterires, chargers and one open spot for the new Leica SL3 to fit in two rucksacks. My everyday camera besides the Nikon Zf is the Leica Q3. Cheers!
I'm really curious to how these compare to the Laowa 28mm F1.2 for L Mount.
Been waiting for this video from you! I’ve been on the fence and this was a solid video to help me choose! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 thank you
Apparently Thypoch are also releasing these lenses in Nikon Z mount
Please to see the ZF has arrived. Keen to hear your thoughts with M lenses in due course
Great video. Very informative. Waiting for your review of the auto focus adapter you have on the ZF. Those can be a game changer if they work well.
Man, Thypoch is killing it lately. I wish I was better at manual focusing 😂
Now, how do they compare to the 28 mm / 1:2.0 Ultron
aspherical mkII? thanks
Did you get to test either of these bad boys on the Hasselblad or GFX sensors?
I'd assume you took your test shots on a tripod, but I'd love a video on tips for shooting with Leica/non-stabilized cameras. I continually struggle to get even semi-sharp photos on my M11, which just makes the 60MP feel like a waste.
do you have the black M11? If so it will be harder than with M's that use brass, the heavier M cameras have a better center of gravity for shooting at low shutter speeds. Supporting your elbows on your body, breathing out just before pressing the shutter are all things you can try to stabilize the camera a bit more
Oh my god, can someone competent like you finally do a real review of that Techart adapter that actual runs it through real world scenarios. Nothing online goes in depth on that thing. Also, I know it tops out at 500g but I'm curious if you can get away with 530 or 590g lenses. I have a 90 summicron that would be amazing with autofocus.
Planning on it :)
@@benjhaisch Thank you! Can't wait.
I've read several store reviews saying that Techart support is nonexistent and that the adapter can break on you randomly. It's pretty expensive for an adapter with those risks.
Out of the 28mm you've tested, which one (or ones) do you feel have more character in their rendering? I love squirly bokeh and a vintage feel in the rendering, so I'm trying to figure out what's the best lens for the purpose (ideally without sacrificing sharpness, or at least not too much :) )
Thypoch is suggested as very strong in those characteristics. See Analog Insights or Mr.Leica....
Are they better than 2,0 ultron 2?
Yes, the nokton is slightly better than the ultron. Which is amazing. However, there are no profiles available.
😅The first generation 28mm Ultron is not that sharp. I don’t know about the falloff. I was so disappointed about the Ultron that I brought a Summicron Asph.
Sharper and much sharper full open than the Thypoch. Newer Voigtlander lenses tend to be sharper than the older versions.
I brought the Typoch for the 1 stop more light than the Summicron. It has its own character. Which makes it a unique experience.
Fun comparison! You were saying something about T stops. If both lenses were at, say, f2, does one let in more light than the other at the same exposure settings? And compared to the Ultron?
Have you tried the thypoch lenses on thr gfx system? I'm curious as to how it would cover the sensor.
Would like to see it compared to the summilux, since apparently the optical design of the Simera is identical to the FLE.
I do compare the 35mm lenses in that review
Did you ever try the color skopar 28mm f/2.8?
Nice video. How are they compered to the 7Artisans 28mm/1.4?
Okay, thanks Ben.
I was obsessing over the Zeiss Distagon f2 / 28mm classic lens for more than 2 months now. This is because I have a new Nikon Zf and want a wide angle lens to go with it.
Now, I am not even sure, if I should try this Voigtlander and see if I should buy this instead.
Does anyone here, have a comparison between this 28mm Voigtlander and the classic Zeiss 28mm Distagon? Or any thoughts?
I would welcome some suggestions.
Thanks
Are you referring to the post-Hollywood Zeiss Distagon 28/2? This is a very special albeit heavy lens, way bigger than the Voigtlander. With an adapter, it will be huge on the Zf.
I have not physically compared them, but it's reasonable to assume that the Voigtlander will let in more light and give more depth of field control than the Zeiss f2. I'm not entirely sold on the Voigtlander's bokeh, but the Zeiss Classic's bokeh and rendering is superb. It's sharp with a ton of pop and lots of contrast.
@@raksh9 Thank you!
the size of the Zeiss Distagon, might put me off. I guess I will have to try before I buy it. If it is not too unwieldly, then I may just keep it.
@@---us7qf- so what happened? Did you get the Zeiss, or ?
@@zenden6564 I got the Zeiss Distagon 28mm indeed.
Thanks
where/how did you get the screw to replace the red dot?
legends say we still dont know that until today
As an owner of the Voigtlander 28mm 1.5, I'm actually finding the Thypoch images to be a little more pleasant for one big reason: the lack of field curvature.
I love the Voigtlander 28, but the edges start to come back into focus at 1.5, and it can make a sort of unnatural look, at times.
I prefer the look and weight of the Voigtlander lens, but in terms of image character and look, I'm frustratingly drawn to the Thypoch.
I’ve been wondering if that was the case tbh.
2:50 Could this effect not be explained by field curvature? Hard to imagine that f/1.4 vs f/1.5 would make such a big difference.
In retrospect I believe that is the case, yes.
What’s with the silver front ring on the Typoch? Didn’t ever see that before
I think that’s standard on the production models
@@benjhaisch You‘re right! The 28mm black version has that silver front ring while the 35mm seems to be all black!
Could have sworn that early review 28mm simeras are all black
Hi! I'm curious if you ended up selling your 28mm summicron for any of these lenses? I've recently been debating the same thing
I still have mine, but it’s tempting, mostly just because of diminishing returns for the price.
@@benjhaisch Yeah I understand that. Thanks for your feedback!
Those unreleased presets look great!
Hey thanks!
Anyone find a hood that works with the voigt 28 1.5?
how does the Voigtlander compare to your Cron? I'm in the middle of a decision between the two (used Cron for $2100).
It’s not as “perfect” as the cron and seems a little longer, but depending on your wants/needs out of a lens, it could be great. Only thing I’m seeing is some field curvature on the Voigtlander, which could be an issue at first/1.5
I’ve got another video specially on the Voigtlander coming out
@@benjhaisch now you got me leaning towards that cron lol
Benj sorry i have question how u change srew on leica logo on m11?
From 45 years of experience I have learned that 28mm for full frame sensor Cameras (24x36mm) is more or less useless, it always seems either too long or too short, clumsy ! Now I use 21mm (sometimes 24mm) and 35mm.
@@cameraprepper7938 I agree. 18 mm on APSC is absolutely useless to me. I go from 16mm to 23mm.
@@SiddhantParkar Nice set of Lenses
@@cameraprepper7938 isn't 28 right between 24 and 35? How is it useless?
@@rodneyreeves9434 For me it is "useless", I have had 28mm lenses, but I am much more comfortable using either 24mm or 35mm Lenses for full frame cameras. Many years ago a 28mm was more common because a 24mm was often double the price. Today when many focal length have about the same price range, it makes no sence to choose a 28mm !
Sell the summicron and get a Q :)
Kind of non-committal and unhelpful video. Even if both lenses are kind of similar, I would have liked to see more side-by-side shots so that I could at least judge for myself which lens would be better for me. I usually enjoy your videos more. Looking forward to your experience with the Zf.
Tbh I don’t feel super strong either way. Sometimes things just aren’t definitive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@benjhaisch I totally get it, but as someone without either lens in hand, it would have been more helpful to see more side-by-side photos so I could make my own judgement. You did a very good job conveying the perceived weight differences and the physical differences, which are both very important characteristics.
Kind of rude and unhelpful comment.
This channel is free. Go rent them and do your own tests.
@@MatthewSeratti I mean that’s fair since there aren’t really other channels covering those other pixel peeping kind of details like there are with other reviews. I usually try to focus more on the experience and the output than the others but it does make sense to add *more* of that than normal on a video like this moving forward.
i can only say the lens I was most doubtful about its long term value was my Voigtländer 35. It's the best lens I have EVER bought that combines excellent sharpness when ypi want it with wonderful character when you need it. Superb resale vaöue as well.
间接推荐Thypoch的恰饭视频，给Benj差评。
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Thypoch c'est de la merde !