I have a version of both mixers (16v3 in Mackie, MG12XU in the Yamaha). I agree that practically speaking, having that extra XLR input on the Mackie is big. On the other hand, the Yamaha has such a superior FX engine to the Mackie. I've rarely found myself using the FX on the Mackie, but use them all the time on the Yamaha. Much appreciated, thanks for the great video!
This channel is great! I have one MG10XU since 2020 and now I'm looking for other devices. Now I think I would appreciate something small on my desk. I'm on the fence of an audio interface with 2 or 4 channels, and also wanting to know the pros and cons of digital mixers, compact recorders with 32 bit, etc. Sometimes we want a bit of everything, portability, durability, and be ready for different things... small gigs with friends, some serious recording, some streaming, etc.
There is so much gear out there now, for the most part it's all great stuff. It just depends what your specific needs are. Like you said, you often have to balance size vs features. The new digital gear (Mackie DLZ, Rodecaster Pro II, etc.) is pretty insane. But, again, depends on budget and desk space. I'm still shocked that we haven't seen more digital desktop mixers from Allen & Heath, Midas, etc.
I still need to buy one so I can actually check it out. The price point is pretty interesting though. I feel like Mackie or Behringer should drop a fully digital 12 channel mixer onto the market. Like, a slightly bigger version of the DLZ.
9:21 True, I have always wondered just *why* did Yamaha decided to remove that Mid EQ pot on channel 9-12. I can't think of anything sensible for years.
Appreciate the detailed comparison. Also I now know what one the "PRE" switch does. Was trying to figure that out. Great job, great video. Highly recommend to others!
@@kettnercreative as a singer I have always preferred sweepable mids. And the GigFX adjustable effects are killer. Same ones they now have in the V3 plus.
I really like the bright on/off switches on the Yamaha which can be clearly seen from a distance in almost all lighting conditions. I do however love that the Mackie has 2 channels with hiZ inputs. What the hell were Mackie thinking by not making the monitor/aux swtchable pre/post???? How are you supposed to create a true foldback mix without switching the aux to pre fader? You did a great job with this comparison. As someone who hasn't got the eyes of a kestrel, the Yamaha is much better when it comes to ease of use in a live situation, particularly with bad lighting and seeing those on/off switches. On the other hand, with the exception of the lack of a pre fader aux send, the Mackie offers more out of the box, especially that extra XLR input and 2 hi Z inputs , not to mention 3 band EQ on every channel. I'd love to see a comparison with the equivalent Allen and Heath and Soundcraft mixers.
Been using my Yamaha since 2015 and never failed me once..only wish yamaha will make a similar budget 12ch mixer but with a parametric eq for mitigating feedback on FOH or my stage monitors..a lot of mobile Dj’s don’t know how to ring stage monitors or ring the FOH for live events..a lot of times when i attend other wedding parties and have multiple mics for PA, they keep on having horrendous feedback either on their boomy sub-bass or mid highs around 8k frequencies..
Great video and content. I just purchased the Mackie ProFX12v3 Plus last week. I came across several of your videos before making my decision. The primary use for the mixer will be for DJ purposes at live events. I wanted a mixer for running my subs and mains with independent fader control and the option for several microphones if needed. I plan to also use the mixer at home for song remix projects and perhaps live streaming. I love the mixer so far and the "v3 Plus" model does have parameter settings for Fx. I understood your disclaimer about the Mackie Plus model in your video, I'm just confirming the new version answers the call. Question: Can a line source be connected via XLR (non Hi-Z), where it's labeled as Mic Input? (let's say ch. 3). If I wanted stereo, I could use chan 3/4 and pan L and R, correct? I know the stereo channels are there too, just trying to decide if I need new cable configurations or adapters. Again, great video and thanks for making this!
Hi There, thanks for the comment. 1) Yeah, I think the v3+ will do it. I'm still waiting for mine to come in though. 2) You will have to try it out. Every line level source is a bit different. Most times, you can make it work if you can turn down the line level source 10-15% before connecting to a mic-level XLR input. Otherwise, just connect it to the line level 1/4" jack. 3) Yeah, you can pan left/right on 3 and 4 to get stereo if you don't want to tie up one of your stereo inputs.
It's true that the Yamaha MG12 series has superior preamps than the Yamaha MG10 series? In that case, that means that the preamps on the 12 series provide cleaner gain or more dBs than the 10 series? and is that difference noticiable and makes worhth the price difference between them? Thanks very much for making the videos so detailed, easy to understand and technically accurate.
i know the Yamaha has unbalanced line inputs, but it looks like the Mackie say "Balanced/Unbalanced" there. Are these really balanced inputs? That would be another difference that could be important to some people.
Great job. Thanks for your time making these videos. They are a great reference and my primary source for info on live sound. I'm waiting for delivery of the 12v3+ which I know has more effects features but could you share your preference for cabling an external effects processor (i.e. use of insert vs effects send)? I didn't see anything in your library but maybe I missed it. Thanks again.
hey! i just got the yamaha mg10xu for my rode mics and your videos have been beyond helpful for me. i'm wondering, is there a way i can use my apple wired headphones to monitor the sound as i record? i use audacity, and even when i chose "external headphones" for my playback device i still can't hear anything as i record. you are the best person i could think of to ask this question. thank you so much for reading this, keep up the amazing content!♡
What about the audio sound quality of the faders, and the overall noise floor of each mixer? Are both of these mixers very quiet, and they don't introduce any artifacts like pops and clicks on the channel strips?
I would love your thoughts on the quality of the EQ - I have the Yamaha and a very old Mackie CR 1604, the Yamaha EQ is beautiful and musical, and the Mackie is brittle and only good for filtering, I was wondering if the mackie EQ has improved.
Hi, in using the Mackie 12 I have noticed the gain controls do nothing when using stereo inputs on 5&6, 7&8, and 9&l10. Is this by design or is, my mixer malfunctioning?😊
@@kettnercreative If you can drop down to an 8 channel Mackie Onyx same price or less than a 12 channel profx and better. Has blue tooth and Micro sd recording. Just bought one off amazon for 325
@@rafaelrosas8744 I agree that the Onyx has great features. But I disagree with the "for the same price" comment. If you want a 12 channel mixer, the Onyx is $200 more than the ProFXv3+
makie is best.. yamahaha is ok but suffers from the shit power brick problems.. bought a yamaha mg10xuf on ebay without power adapter for 70£ and they are asking for 45£ for a replacement wtf??? and when you search yamaha pa-10 power supply ..u get product recall warning.. power supply fire hazard! bought makie profx8 first version and it still works after all these years just plug and play!
incorrect THE 12XU HAS STANDARD IEC that is what he is reviewing here, yes the smaller model has the wall wart as most of them do if built in power is preferred go with the Mackie, i got a Profx12 v2 for a girl 4 years ago and it just stopped at her gig so everything is fallible.
@@georgegeorgio1751 yamaha is shit as usability and features.. It's just has a nice design.. I don't care if the bigger models are better I got the mg10xuf witch is a downgrade from the mackie profx8 v1. Yamaha 10 is has less features than mackie profx8..
@@sstainlesst And Mackie is unreliable as most of the earlier engineers etc left along with all their circuit diagrams , also Mackie has had so many owners as they are no longer competitive they just got bought out by Rode i know this cause i deal in second hand gear and parts for them are ridiculous to get had to wait 5 months to get buttons for Mackie dlm12s , Yamaha is an extremely well run company their products are well made and super reliable, i also had the Profx16 v1 it had the worst effects I've ever heard, you could say that oh that was the 1st model but at that time Yamaha had decent effects in their mixers.
I have a version of both mixers (16v3 in Mackie, MG12XU in the Yamaha). I agree that practically speaking, having that extra XLR input on the Mackie is big. On the other hand, the Yamaha has such a superior FX engine to the Mackie. I've rarely found myself using the FX on the Mackie, but use them all the time on the Yamaha. Much appreciated, thanks for the great video!
Thanks for the comment!
This channel is great! I have one MG10XU since 2020 and now I'm looking for other devices. Now I think I would appreciate something small on my desk. I'm on the fence of an audio interface with 2 or 4 channels, and also wanting to know the pros and cons of digital mixers, compact recorders with 32 bit, etc.
Sometimes we want a bit of everything, portability, durability, and be ready for different things... small gigs with friends, some serious recording, some streaming, etc.
There is so much gear out there now, for the most part it's all great stuff. It just depends what your specific needs are. Like you said, you often have to balance size vs features. The new digital gear (Mackie DLZ, Rodecaster Pro II, etc.) is pretty insane. But, again, depends on budget and desk space.
I'm still shocked that we haven't seen more digital desktop mixers from Allen & Heath, Midas, etc.
Great review! Nice review format too! I will say I would pick the Macke myself for the hi-z and the Yamaha for the fx knob. Still torn.
Great comparison. I really need to see your review of the Mackie ProFX12v3 PLUS before I make my purchase decision!
Yo tengo el 12v3+
Muy buena mixer
I just got the plus version of Mackie - solid Bluetooth 💪🏽
Here's one from the wishlist - Would love to see your review of Tascam 12 :)
I still need to buy one so I can actually check it out. The price point is pretty interesting though. I feel like Mackie or Behringer should drop a fully digital 12 channel mixer onto the market. Like, a slightly bigger version of the DLZ.
9:21 True, I have always wondered just *why* did Yamaha decided to remove that Mid EQ pot on channel 9-12. I can't think of anything sensible for years.
Appreciate the detailed comparison. Also I now know what one the "PRE" switch does. Was trying to figure that out. Great job, great video. Highly recommend to others!
Pre fader/post fader
Used the ProFX V3 for a couple years and loved it, but I just switched to the newer Onyx 12. That is an incredible mixer
Thanks for the comment. What did you like most when you switched?
@@kettnercreative as a singer I have always preferred sweepable mids. And the GigFX adjustable effects are killer. Same ones they now have in the V3 plus.
@@KRE-64 Makes sense. The mid-sweep is a HUGE bonus.
Yes. And the ability to fine tune the effects AND save them as presets is great. Also, the onboard recording to an SD card works flawlessly
Have one too. For those who are thinking in buying one, the onyx 16 is more for $150 more. just saying.
I really like the bright on/off switches on the Yamaha which can be clearly seen from a distance in almost all lighting conditions. I do however love that the Mackie has 2 channels with hiZ inputs. What the hell were Mackie thinking by not making the monitor/aux swtchable pre/post???? How are you supposed to create a true foldback mix without switching the aux to pre fader? You did a great job with this comparison. As someone who hasn't got the eyes of a kestrel, the Yamaha is much better when it comes to ease of use in a live situation, particularly with bad lighting and seeing those on/off switches. On the other hand, with the exception of the lack of a pre fader aux send, the Mackie offers more out of the box, especially that extra XLR input and 2 hi Z inputs
, not to mention 3 band EQ on every channel. I'd love to see a comparison with the equivalent Allen and Heath and Soundcraft mixers.
Been using my Yamaha since 2015 and never failed me once..only wish yamaha will make a similar budget 12ch mixer but with a parametric eq for mitigating feedback on FOH or my stage monitors..a lot of mobile Dj’s don’t know how to ring stage monitors or ring the FOH for live events..a lot of times when i attend other wedding parties and have multiple mics for PA, they keep on having horrendous feedback either on their boomy sub-bass or mid highs around 8k frequencies..
Great video and content. I just purchased the Mackie ProFX12v3 Plus last week. I came across several of your videos before making my decision. The primary use for the mixer will be for DJ purposes at live events. I wanted a mixer for running my subs and mains with independent fader control and the option for several microphones if needed. I plan to also use the mixer at home for song remix projects and perhaps live streaming. I love the mixer so far and the "v3 Plus" model does have parameter settings for Fx. I understood your disclaimer about the Mackie Plus model in your video, I'm just confirming the new version answers the call. Question: Can a line source be connected via XLR (non Hi-Z), where it's labeled as Mic Input? (let's say ch. 3).
If I wanted stereo, I could use chan 3/4 and pan L and R, correct? I know the stereo channels are there too, just trying to decide if I need new cable configurations or adapters.
Again, great video and thanks for making this!
Hi There, thanks for the comment.
1) Yeah, I think the v3+ will do it. I'm still waiting for mine to come in though.
2) You will have to try it out. Every line level source is a bit different. Most times, you can make it work if you can turn down the line level source 10-15% before connecting to a mic-level XLR input. Otherwise, just connect it to the line level 1/4" jack.
3) Yeah, you can pan left/right on 3 and 4 to get stereo if you don't want to tie up one of your stereo inputs.
@@kettnercreative Thanks for a quick response! You Rock, Bro!
It's true that the Yamaha MG12 series has superior preamps than the Yamaha MG10 series? In that case, that means that the preamps on the 12 series provide cleaner gain or more dBs than the 10 series? and is that difference noticiable and makes worhth the price difference between them?
Thanks very much for making the videos so detailed, easy to understand and technically accurate.
i know the Yamaha has unbalanced line inputs, but it looks like the Mackie say "Balanced/Unbalanced" there. Are these really balanced inputs? That would be another difference that could be important to some people.
Please continue with the in depth review! Thanks
I need a new small mixer, but I REALLY would like a bluetooth channel for playing break music from my phone
I truly appreciate your insight...im going to buy the MG12XU...but, I wanted to know if you can plug in guitars with no problem?
Great job. Thanks for your time making these videos. They are a great reference and my primary source for info on live sound. I'm waiting for delivery of the 12v3+ which I know has more effects features but could you share your preference for cabling an external effects processor (i.e. use of insert vs effects send)? I didn't see anything in your library but maybe I missed it. Thanks again.
Nice video, let me ask you please. Is there a way to add two or more different effects in a channel? For the Mackie.
hey! i just got the yamaha mg10xu for my rode mics and your videos have been beyond helpful for me. i'm wondering, is there a way i can use my apple wired headphones to monitor the sound as i record? i use audacity, and even when i chose "external headphones" for my playback device i still can't hear anything as i record. you are the best person i could think of to ask this question. thank you so much for reading this, keep up the amazing content!♡
Great info! I will say that I have used both, but prefer the Yamaha for doing Karaoke Shows!
What about the audio sound quality of the faders, and the overall noise floor of each mixer? Are both of these mixers very quiet, and they don't introduce any artifacts like pops and clicks on the channel strips?
An excellent and really helpful video. Cheers!
Love your channel Men you always give best advice on my equipment choice
I love this video and the attention to detail
I would love your thoughts on the quality of the EQ - I have the Yamaha and a very old Mackie CR 1604, the Yamaha EQ is beautiful and musical, and the Mackie is brittle and only good for filtering, I was wondering if the mackie EQ has improved.
Very informative and helpful. Thank You!!
Thank you for the excellent video. I like the direct input for guitar/bass on the Mackie channel 1 and 2 and
Very nice comparison. thank you.
Hello. Wich is better? Onyx 12 or profx12v3+? Thanks.
Can I Connect a microphone in the stereo channel of the mackie ?
Great video. Thanks.
wow! always very informative.
if the budget allows, buy both!
Do you have any hands on comparison with an Allen and Heath mixer?
I don’t… yet… what mixer are you interested in?
@@kettnercreative zed10fx or zed60-10fx. Keep up the good work!
Hi, What about a solo button ?
They both have a PFL
@@kettnercreative isn't that for the headphones ? I would like to solo a single audio channel to the main output
Vote : Mackie !!#
Hi, in using the Mackie 12 I have noticed the gain controls do nothing when using stereo inputs on 5&6, 7&8, and 9&l10. Is this by design or is, my mixer malfunctioning?😊
Hallo,
Ich möchen ein Mischpult für klein Musikstudio zuhause
Weche ist gut für effect yamaha mg xu10 oder 12 danke
Mackie has alot of issues…. especially when trying to use bluetooth… sometimes things just dont work… never experienced this with Yamaha.
For the same price just go Mackie Onyx series
It’s not the same price, it’s $200 more…
@@kettnercreative If you can drop down to an 8 channel Mackie Onyx same price or less than a 12 channel profx and better. Has blue tooth and Micro sd recording. Just bought one off amazon for 325
@@rafaelrosas8744 I agree that the Onyx has great features. But I disagree with the "for the same price" comment. If you want a 12 channel mixer, the Onyx is $200 more than the ProFXv3+
makie is best.. yamahaha is ok but suffers from the shit power brick problems.. bought a yamaha mg10xuf on ebay without power adapter for 70£ and they are asking for 45£ for a replacement wtf??? and when you search yamaha pa-10 power supply ..u get product recall warning.. power supply fire hazard! bought makie profx8 first version and it still works after all these years just plug and play!
incorrect THE 12XU HAS STANDARD IEC that is what he is reviewing here, yes the smaller model has the wall wart as most of them do if built in power is preferred go with the Mackie, i got a Profx12 v2 for a girl 4 years ago and it just stopped at her gig so everything is fallible.
@@georgegeorgio1751 yamaha is shit as usability and features.. It's just has a nice design.. I don't care if the bigger models are better I got the mg10xuf witch is a downgrade from the mackie profx8 v1. Yamaha 10 is has less features than mackie profx8..
@@sstainlesst And Mackie is unreliable as most of the earlier engineers etc left along with all their circuit diagrams , also Mackie has had so many owners as they are no longer competitive they just got bought out by Rode i know this cause i deal in second hand gear and parts for them are ridiculous to get had to wait 5 months to get buttons for Mackie dlm12s , Yamaha is an extremely well run company their products are well made and super reliable, i also had the Profx16 v1 it had the worst effects I've ever heard, you could say that oh that was the 1st model but at that time Yamaha had decent effects in their mixers.