Spot on. I followed a “build” but my tank mentor explained with math why I should do infused. Completely changed the game for me. Nice to see that explanation in more detail. Thanks hyper!
I’ve been trying to tell players this for a long time and everyone always goes back to “well tank club said…” and it drives me nuts. Thank you for the straight forward explanation!
Amazing guide, I've been tanking for years with infused magicka recovery, I wish I would've seen this much sooner. Looking forward to seeing how good my sustain will be with reduce cost tristat.
Very nice video and explanation. To the point and showing the rationale/ math behind. I was already using the reduce magicka cost glyphs, from your necro video and… I actually need to try really hard to run out of magicka. Adding the fact that I am a red guard, sustain is a non-issue. Great stuff mate 👍
I was waiting for this guide :) I already switched to Jewels of Misrule and cost reduction glyphs a few months ago following your builds and dungeon guides but it's nice to have a detailed explanation with the maths. For my GH as execute tank, I used 1 or 2 harmony jewels and I wasn't convinced about the trait utility and it seems it's more about sustaining and choosing the right food to reduce the HP pool than depending on the buffed synergy with harmony trait. Thanks a lot for this guide and I hope to see more videos from you!
Your video remind me when first time prismatic cost reduction comes i just switched to it with infused jewel and never every changed or listen to some kind of tank club or etc. For me it was so simple like i spended 1h thinking what will be best for me.
Thx for the details man really appreciated. I do this because of habit without following changes. Still had 2 pieces monster for mag regen not so long ago. I'm gonna update my jewelry it won't be too soon x)
Damn I used Harmony on some of my jewerly. Seems like I'm a noob now but learned a lot from the video. Thanks man and keep the great work up! It's very interesting and useful!
So from a math prospective, an imperial with 6% cost reduction for all skill, it reduces the flat value of all skills. With cost reduction glyph, it’s still a better choice than recovery? Also, I appreciate your service to the community. Big fan
So at the end of the comparison, cost reduction vs recovery was at | 130.5 vs 126 | If we add Imperial cost reduction the comparison changes to | 122.36 vs 126 | with recovery slightly winning this time But the difference is very small and cost reduction enchants allow you to get away with less maximum resources letting you run Orzorga's (or Jewels of Misrule) food which grants you 369 of both mag and stam recovery so cost reduction still ends up giving you better sustain. And that was very DK-oriented comparison, because for example Warden and Necromancer can use straight up magicka cost reduction enchants (cuz most of the time the only stamina ability they have is Pierce Armor, sometimes also Vigor for PA) and then cost reduction wins by even bigger margin
@@Hyperioxes so technically, an imperial DK could in essence run triune mag recovery or infused mag recovery with sugar skulls and be about even with other race/class setups using infused cost reduction? It may be important I DO use tri focus passive.
Thanks for this video man,your videos are always so educational.Hahaha i also messed up with recovery rather than cost reduction.Can you plz make a video of your team with dd and heals.Im trying to make a team for Dungeon clear and it will help alot.
You mean a video about dungeon team comp? I could easily do sth like that for a 1 tank, 3 DD comp but I'd have to do some research for a 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 DD comp cuz I never play with that
I would like to see a video on Stone Giant, When to use it and how to use it effectively. I always seem to drop it or not know what situation to try keep it up in or flatout dont have the resources for it.
I dont think that's something I could explain in a video since it depends on the trial/dungeon. There is no universal rule for when you can safely cast Stone Giant, you just gotta have experience in a certain trial/dungeon to know when bigger damage is incoming
Great guide as usual! I've watched your tank guides and I've noticed you only have tri-cost reduction for trash and for dk (cuz of stone giant). Otherwise I guess it makes sense to just go full mag cost reduction. I play on console and usually tank 4 man fun runs and trifectas but still want to be efficient so I guess mag reduction should work then. And for trials too tbh, especially if someone else is doing stone giant.
Protective is good if you have to reach a certain resistance threshhold due to wearing tremorscale. Currently running 1 protective 2 infused for that reason
What resistance treshhold do you have to reach with Tremorscale? Are you talking about armor cap or do you have some specific amount of armor you need to reach to give your DDs exactly the amount of pen they need? I always felt like I had enough with Master's sword and board
I want to make sure I’m understanding something. On a necromancer, since my only stam skill is pierce armor I would benefit more from using all reduce magicka cost rather than the tri-stat reduce cost? I really appreciate you making this guide as someone who is pretty new to tanking
Its literally common sense if you have 2 brain cells. I've been explaining the rationing behind using infused reduced cost and orzagas for years now and still get told I'm wrong by 99% of the people I talk to. That being said I do run sugar skulls to save money alot of the time in most content unless it's super sweaty.
Orzorga's and Bewitched would be more preference I would think. Running Bewitched with infused tri reduction glyphs, and Atro mundus, how could anyone have a sustain issue on any class?
If you say you don't have any sustain issues then pick whatever you want but in the end Orzorga does provide more sustain than Bewitched, and personally I dont think you can safely say any build could be completely free from sustain issues while doing the hardest content
wow thanks for this quite informative video... i main stam dk dps, but i also play other classes with my alts... lately i've been playing my tank dk with just gathering skyshards and leveling up skills i might use.... i've been using tank club as my tank guide for building my tank.. i recall him recommending mag recovery over reduce enchants, and i almost went with it.. but my instincts told me that reduce cost seems to be the better option in the long run... thanks to this video guide, it soiidifies my assumptions and now set on using cost reduction enchants... for specifically a nord tank dk, would you recommend a mag reduction enchant over a tri-stat reduction cost?? the difference is nearly ~400, but on a dk, alot of utility and healing skills you will be using are magicka based.. and that ~400 magicka cost could lessen that impact on your magicka sustain... on the other hand, most stamina based abilities you will likely use are: vigor, pierce armor, heroic slash, razor caltrops.. maybe noxious breath, venom claw, unstoppable brute, immovable, race against time, or circle of protection as well... also magma shell vs spell wall vs shield discipline, which is the best option for your "oh sh!t" moment ability that would prevent a team wipe??
I'm using tri-cost because I'm using Stone Giant, if you take that out and dont use any other Stamina abilities then mag cost could be better. Magma Shell is the best "oh shit" ult
I can't, that's a question you should ask those tanks. I can only say that I used triple Infused with 2x tri-cost reduction enchant and 1x stamina cost reduction enchant against Falgravn as a Dragonknight in my recent vKA world record. Harmony isn't that far off from Infused and it's main disadvantage is just that the sustain comes in a massive burst
@@mr.kitten6242 Balance wont give u enough armor to reach the cap, Puncturing Remedy won't be up most of the time unless you're using Pierce Armor every 5 seconds which is kinda troll cuz you could be using useful skills in that time
Im new to tanking so could someone explain why cost reduction is better than mag recovery? Is see his explanation but he has it under the assumption he is casting every second. But Ive seen his builds and gameplay but only uses 4/5 magicka skills most the time and you only need to recast to keep uptime on buffs so besides prebuffing youre not casting every second, even every 2 seconds makes them worse than mag recovery and most the time youre not casting for a few seconds making them significantly worse right?
How do you get more magicka back when you are not using recovery? Reduction doesnt give you back mag, so do you heavy attack with staff? Is it enough with the recovery from food and maybe CP tree? Sorry Im a tank noob😂
One question about the Bear Haunch. I think I see the logic behind wanting the regen rate more that the stat pool, but Perfect Roe is rather expensive. Do you just use it only for raid grade content and downgrade to a Distillate for less difficult content? Or do you have other income sources to handle the cost? Basically, should the tiering be 1) Bear Haunch 2) Single-Tiger Malt 3) Sugar Skulls Or would you use Jewels of Misrule as the budget option instead? Or for basement budget, would you even just look towards Cordial Teas?
I use Bear Haunch everywhere cuz I have plenty of gold from carries, you should use Jewels of Misrule as a budget option. I don't think Cordial Teas are a good option
Block cost reduction is just not needed when you know exactly when to block. As for beginners, Sturdy can be useful but even then in my opinion going with Reinforced+Divines and using a single block cost reduction enchant is better, it will reduce your block cost down to 900 from 1100, and you'll only have to change a single enchant once you learn to play, rather than getting different trait on all of your gear. For comparison, Reinforced + Divines grants you 1608 armor (2.43% - 4.63% damage mitigation) and 84 magicka recovery, full Sturdy reduces your block cost from 1100 down to 800
Is good info but man triune is not bad, actually helps also with undaunted passives (6% max) plus resources ea each time u synergize and if u have a symphony of blades on the group itll proc earlier due activating at a % of ur max. So if u count all of that plus also giving u max health its actually batter than presented here. Ur doing exactly what ur blaming other youtuber of.
Nah, the sustain you'd get from boosting Undaunted passives and Symphony by increasing your max resources is extremely small compared to sustain you get from Infused
Spot on. I followed a “build” but my tank mentor explained with math why I should do infused. Completely changed the game for me. Nice to see that explanation in more detail. Thanks hyper!
I’ve been trying to tell players this for a long time and everyone always goes back to “well tank club said…” and it drives me nuts. Thank you for the straight forward explanation!
Amazing guide, I've been tanking for years with infused magicka recovery, I wish I would've seen this much sooner. Looking forward to seeing how good my sustain will be with reduce cost tristat.
Very nice video and explanation. To the point and showing the rationale/ math behind. I was already using the reduce magicka cost glyphs, from your necro video and… I actually need to try really hard to run out of magicka. Adding the fact that I am a red guard, sustain is a non-issue. Great stuff mate 👍
Been using triune and mag recovery for so long. Pumped to try this and see the impact. Thanks for the video.
I was waiting for this guide :) I already switched to Jewels of Misrule and cost reduction glyphs a few months ago following your builds and dungeon guides but it's nice to have a detailed explanation with the maths.
For my GH as execute tank, I used 1 or 2 harmony jewels and I wasn't convinced about the trait utility and it seems it's more about sustaining and choosing the right food to reduce the HP pool than depending on the buffed synergy with harmony trait.
Thanks a lot for this guide and I hope to see more videos from you!
Your video remind me when first time prismatic cost reduction comes i just switched to it with infused jewel and never every changed or listen to some kind of tank club or etc.
For me it was so simple like i spended 1h thinking what will be best for me.
Thx for the details man really appreciated. I do this because of habit without following changes. Still had 2 pieces monster for mag regen not so long ago. I'm gonna update my jewelry it won't be too soon x)
Awesome explanation on why Orzrogas is best over Bewitched, keep up the good job and thank you
Damn I used Harmony on some of my jewerly. Seems like I'm a noob now but learned a lot from the video. Thanks man and keep the great work up! It's very interesting and useful!
Always spot on with these videos, always well done.
So from a math prospective, an imperial with 6% cost reduction for all skill, it reduces the flat value of all skills. With cost reduction glyph, it’s still a better choice than recovery? Also, I appreciate your service to the community. Big fan
So at the end of the comparison, cost reduction vs recovery was at | 130.5 vs 126 |
If we add Imperial cost reduction the comparison changes to | 122.36 vs 126 | with recovery slightly winning this time
But the difference is very small and cost reduction enchants allow you to get away with less maximum resources letting you run Orzorga's (or Jewels of Misrule) food which grants you 369 of both mag and stam recovery so cost reduction still ends up giving you better sustain. And that was very DK-oriented comparison, because for example Warden and Necromancer can use straight up magicka cost reduction enchants (cuz most of the time the only stamina ability they have is Pierce Armor, sometimes also Vigor for PA) and then cost reduction wins by even bigger margin
@@Hyperioxes so technically, an imperial DK could in essence run triune mag recovery or infused mag recovery with sugar skulls and be about even with other race/class setups using infused cost reduction? It may be important I DO use tri focus passive.
@@arudiga No, cost reduction with Orzorga is less effective on Imperial but it's still the best choice
Thanks for this video man,your videos are always so educational.Hahaha i also messed up with recovery rather than cost reduction.Can you plz make a video of your team with dd and heals.Im trying to make a team for Dungeon clear and it will help alot.
You mean a video about dungeon team comp? I could easily do sth like that for a 1 tank, 3 DD comp but I'd have to do some research for a 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 DD comp cuz I never play with that
Thanks for your guides there very helpful and informative....
Keep up the great work.
I would like to see a video on Stone Giant, When to use it and how to use it effectively.
I always seem to drop it or not know what situation to try keep it up in or flatout dont have the resources for it.
I dont think that's something I could explain in a video since it depends on the trial/dungeon. There is no universal rule for when you can safely cast Stone Giant, you just gotta have experience in a certain trial/dungeon to know when bigger damage is incoming
we needed something like this thank you, can you do a short one explaining body traits and weights if possible
Yeah I plan on doing it at some point
@@Hyperioxes nice thanks
babe new hyperioxes guide
Great guide as usual!
I've watched your tank guides and I've noticed you only have tri-cost reduction for trash and for dk (cuz of stone giant). Otherwise I guess it makes sense to just go full mag cost reduction.
I play on console and usually tank 4 man fun runs and trifectas but still want to be efficient so I guess mag reduction should work then. And for trials too tbh, especially if someone else is doing stone giant.
Protective is good if you have to reach a certain resistance threshhold due to wearing tremorscale. Currently running 1 protective 2 infused for that reason
What resistance treshhold do you have to reach with Tremorscale? Are you talking about armor cap or do you have some specific amount of armor you need to reach to give your DDs exactly the amount of pen they need? I always felt like I had enough with Master's sword and board
@@Hyperioxes well i have to brittle with forst clench so i cant use a master snb while still having to hit 38k resistances to hit the pen cap
I want to make sure I’m understanding something. On a necromancer, since my only stam skill is pierce armor I would benefit more from using all reduce magicka cost rather than the tri-stat reduce cost? I really appreciate you making this guide as someone who is pretty new to tanking
yep
Its literally common sense if you have 2 brain cells. I've been explaining the rationing behind using infused reduced cost and orzagas for years now and still get told I'm wrong by 99% of the people I talk to. That being said I do run sugar skulls to save money alot of the time in most content unless it's super sweaty.
I figure making your jewelry 💍 protective and then tri-stat them makes your tank insanely high sustainable
Very interesting, and informative.
Any possibility of doing something like this on armor and weapon traits as well?
Yeah I plan on doing it at some point
Nice video and definitely some good tips but not everyone plays as a DK tank.
Neat explanation
def switching to a tri cost reduction
Orzorga's and Bewitched would be more preference I would think. Running Bewitched with infused tri reduction glyphs, and Atro mundus, how could anyone have a sustain issue on any class?
If you say you don't have any sustain issues then pick whatever you want but in the end Orzorga does provide more sustain than Bewitched, and personally I dont think you can safely say any build could be completely free from sustain issues while doing the hardest content
Hi Hyper! 🙂 Would you be able to make a updated guide for tank jewlery?
Good job bro
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wow thanks for this quite informative video... i main stam dk dps, but i also play other classes with my alts... lately i've been playing my tank dk with just gathering skyshards and leveling up skills i might use....
i've been using tank club as my tank guide for building my tank.. i recall him recommending mag recovery over reduce enchants, and i almost went with it.. but my instincts told me that reduce cost seems to be the better option in the long run... thanks to this video guide, it soiidifies my assumptions and now set on using cost reduction enchants...
for specifically a nord tank dk, would you recommend a mag reduction enchant over a tri-stat reduction cost?? the difference is nearly ~400, but on a dk, alot of utility and healing skills you will be using are magicka based.. and that ~400 magicka cost could lessen that impact on your magicka sustain... on the other hand, most stamina based abilities you will likely use are: vigor, pierce armor, heroic slash, razor caltrops.. maybe noxious breath, venom claw, unstoppable brute, immovable, race against time, or circle of protection as well...
also magma shell vs spell wall vs shield discipline, which is the best option for your "oh sh!t" moment ability that would prevent a team wipe??
I'm using tri-cost because I'm using Stone Giant, if you take that out and dont use any other Stamina abilities then mag cost could be better. Magma Shell is the best "oh shit" ult
Nice video. You talked about harmony in Cloudrest but i saw logs from very good tanks using it on falgravn. Could you maybe explain why ?
I can't, that's a question you should ask those tanks. I can only say that I used triple Infused with 2x tri-cost reduction enchant and 1x stamina cost reduction enchant against Falgravn as a Dragonknight in my recent vKA world record. Harmony isn't that far off from Infused and it's main disadvantage is just that the sustain comes in a massive burst
@@Hyperioxes alright thanks !
What is the Best Tank Trait Armor for you Infuse , Divine , Sturdy or Reinforced for raid content ?
combination of Reinforced and Divines
@@Hyperioxes thx but why reinforced just need to play Puncturing Remedy or balance in spell for the resist no ?
@@mr.kitten6242 Balance wont give u enough armor to reach the cap, Puncturing Remedy won't be up most of the time unless you're using Pierce Armor every 5 seconds which is kinda troll cuz you could be using useful skills in that time
What would you personally recommend for lower quality jewelry like blues. Stay healthy or infused still worth it?
Still Infused
Im new to tanking so could someone explain why cost reduction is better than mag recovery? Is see his explanation but he has it under the assumption he is casting every second. But Ive seen his builds and gameplay but only uses 4/5 magicka skills most the time and you only need to recast to keep uptime on buffs so besides prebuffing youre not casting every second, even every 2 seconds makes them worse than mag recovery and most the time youre not casting for a few seconds making them significantly worse right?
How do you get more magicka back when you are not using recovery? Reduction doesnt give you back mag, so do you heavy attack with staff? Is it enough with the recovery from food and maybe CP tree? Sorry Im a tank noob😂
It's enough with the recovery from food and other sources
What about shield?
One question about the Bear Haunch. I think I see the logic behind wanting the regen rate more that the stat pool, but Perfect Roe is rather expensive.
Do you just use it only for raid grade content and downgrade to a Distillate for less difficult content? Or do you have other income sources to handle the cost?
Basically, should the tiering be
1) Bear Haunch
2) Single-Tiger Malt
3) Sugar Skulls
Or would you use Jewels of Misrule as the budget option instead?
Or for basement budget, would you even just look towards Cordial Teas?
I use Bear Haunch everywhere cuz I have plenty of gold from carries, you should use Jewels of Misrule as a budget option. I don't think Cordial Teas are a good option
I do t think Hyper likes The Tank Club.😊
Why divines and reinforced over sturdy
Block cost reduction is just not needed when you know exactly when to block. As for beginners, Sturdy can be useful but even then in my opinion going with Reinforced+Divines and using a single block cost reduction enchant is better, it will reduce your block cost down to 900 from 1100, and you'll only have to change a single enchant once you learn to play, rather than getting different trait on all of your gear.
For comparison, Reinforced + Divines grants you 1608 armor (2.43% - 4.63% damage mitigation) and 84 magicka recovery, full Sturdy reduces your block cost from 1100 down to 800
@@Hyperioxes you are a god. Thank you so much.
Is good info but man triune is not bad, actually helps also with undaunted passives (6% max) plus resources ea each time u synergize and if u have a symphony of blades on the group itll proc earlier due activating at a % of ur max. So if u count all of that plus also giving u max health its actually batter than presented here. Ur doing exactly what ur blaming other youtuber of.
Nah, the sustain you'd get from boosting Undaunted passives and Symphony by increasing your max resources is extremely small compared to sustain you get from Infused
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