Really important contribution to desktop CNC. The first of many innovative and productive enhancements to the home based manufacturing environment. Keep up the great work!
I owned a 5 axis capable shop for 10 years. This little thing is 'neat-o' but has such an enormous list of limitations that it will be merely an interesting toy. That does not make it bad, but any buyer should keep expectations very low. Beyond the machine itself - one of the biggest challenges is programming and setting up the machine. Little CNC's in the maker world seem to be promoted as 3D printers "just add material and print out an aluminum part" That is not even close to being true. Tool selection, tool holding, work holding, tool paths are each a long and difficult learning curve and they all have to be applied successfully to get a part without damaging the machine. Rigidity, power, and max tool diamter on this machine will be marginal which means that the cuts will have to be very light and cycle times will be VERY long. Interesting addition to a shop, but it will consume a LOT of time and produce very little. Good luck with it. The design, engineering, and build quality (judging from the pics) seems very good for what they are after - desktop 5-axis. I would love to test one with some of our small 5 axis parts to see how far it can go. All of my CNC's were pushed beyond what they were designed for - but they are all 10,000lb $150k machines.
It's so exciting to see these sort of machines becoming cheaper. I can't wait for 10 years from now when it'll be totally saleable for a normal person to be able to own a 3D printer, a laser cutter, and a mini CNC mill.
While it is a cool machine I had some serious issues with it as a machinist. one was the chatter coming from the tool when cutting aluminum, heck even wood. This is partly due to how the tool was setup sticking out extremely far but still NOT cool! Second was the lack of chip guards on the "X" axis. You get stuff into the leadscrews and nuts and their going to wear out fast. Also the guy mentions you could threadmill holes but at (advertised) +/-.005" accuracy that is going to be one funky shaped hole! Sure you maybe able to get a fitting to work but most thread mills that size are EXTREMELY tiny and delicate and expensive! That said I am excited to see someone taking on the challenge of a 5-axis desktop CNC machine I just felt like it could use some extra "additions" to make it a bit better. I do hope this encourages others to try making more desktop CNC machines!
The problem isn't about production machining. It is that it is marketed as cutting aluminum, which it can just barely do . It is a deceptive practice which I fell for because I had no idea how unrealistic this was. I bout a CNC router and its a piece of crap. I have since moved on to my second real CNC machine, and now that I am a machinist, I can say that this is deceptive.
mikethezipper agreed... that is why I brought the excessive chatter when cutting anything up. Proper tooling could help but if it chatters cutting wood your doing SOMETHING wrong... and yes as for CNC routers + aluminum it can be done but don't expect good quality cuts. Routers were made for soft materials. Aluminum (relatively speaking) is not soft :)
+mikethezipper You didn't say anything about tools and spindle speed used with your router? Are you sure you used mills for aluminium not universal? AL swarf is very sticky just after cut and must be very quick evacuate from cutting area. That why AL tools have much faster helix. Also number of teeth should be small, one or two max.
20 year full time cnc machinist here. At the different place I have worked, I have experience with 2 axis to 9 axis machines and everything in between. I think his price is extremely reasonable. I have a bench top 3 axis cnc at home to play with. I think that as these are more well known about, he will be able to raise the price not lower it.
I am a Engineer and a cnc machinist and this comment is complete bullshtt. I have a 5 axis bench mill with a 14x28 bed travel and a 22’-Z that I’ve built and its far more rigid, larger, and precision a machine than this. Mine even rapids at 2000 ipm and machines at 300ipm just like a mini robodrill. I didn’t pay $10,000 to build it either. I still have room to add a tool changer. If you search online a company called Robotdigg makes an almost identical 5 axis they sell that uses actual AC servos and not steppers for $4000 with a full enclosure. I almost nought it but i still think its over priced when I looked what it costs to buy parts at retail. For someone who calls themselves a machinist you’re way out of touch on pricing. Only proves to me you’re a user of machines and not an engineer. Btw goto aliexpress they have several benchtop 5axis available now for around $2500 each. Why buy this when you can have a better more rigid machine at a 1/4 of the price.
you are talking about building one for yourself and then keeping it. so you benefit from your time invested. So you have a few thousand $$$ invested PLUS your time, will you sell it to me for that price without charging for your time? You said my comment is complete bullshit. If I am wrong why don't you start making them and selling them cheaper. if you are correct you will make a fortune, If I am correct you will get tired of not getting paid for your time and stop doing business after the first one. Who's comment is BS now?@@glennedward2201
@@glennedward2201 That RobotDigg CNC seems quite interesting. Likely too steep a learning curve to start off with but just out of interest, do you mind expanding a bit on what the limitations would be for that machine in a hobbyist context? Would cutting aluminium be quite easily achievable given that you know how to set it up and program it or would it still be a challenge for that machine solely because of its limitations? I assume harder materials are completely out of the question? Thank you at least for your feedback on the above machine, because it's quite hard for a layman to determine whether or not this is a good fit for its intended purpose
best part about this as they get more customers, and more efficient at building these the cheaper they get. can't wait to get one of these to go next to my 3d printer.
A micro encabulator perhaps, and only some parts of it. Unless you expect it to actually work that is. After years of extensive research I came to a conclusion that the cost of the equipment actually plays crucial role in fabricating that wonderful device.
There is a ton of space above the spindle that is totally empty and not a collison zone. It would be cool if an auto-tool changer was implemented as a mod or an add-on
In fairness, I've only seen Jamie in one short series on Tested, his failed 'racing spiders' project- I've been sub'd for maybe 2 or 3 years. Not surprised he left once Myth Busters finished, no reason to hang around...
The small price and size is a huge selling point not just for hobbyists with workshops but for a small company or a university engineering department. I can think of numerous instances where something could be fabricated in aluminum without using valuable time on the £100,000 CNC mill that fills half a room. Now if only we can get a version that can work steels.
My major issue is the price. He says that other 5 axis machines are all 60k plus. Not really. For 8 or 9 grand you can get about a 2x2x2 foot "desktop" cnc compared to this couple of inches. Of course that higher price isn't just for the large size but also the fact that you can 3d print with the other one. And if you want to go industrial, Haas has a machine you can get for just over 40k, of course you have to have it shipped but now you have a 1 cubic foot work space and coolemt so you can machine anything like titanium or inconel.
been using my Brown and Sharpe five axis horizontal milling machine (it's got a vertical attachment) for more than forty years,and it was WAY old when I got hold of it...
Only as a mispronunciation of 6061. I just spent ten minutes looking for material properties for "6160" and it doesn't exist.There's a 6162, but the most common 6000 series aluminum is 6061 and thus I believe the host simply got his numbers mixed up.
He probably did mean 6061 you are correct but although not a standard alloy you would find listed in Marks', 6160 does seem to exist: www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=528f334d9fe74ffa91a715d34a3bf26b&ckck=1 But I still don't really get your overall point. 6061 is a material you can make useful parts from, I didn't get the impression he was suggesting it was super tough to machine.
Norm asks if it can do any tougher materials and the host points to 6061. As someone who's worked with steels (1018 to 4130), titanium (grade 2 and grade 5) and aluminum alloys, the aluminum alloys are a joke to machine when compared to grade 5 Ti. It's usable, certainly, but not a tough to machine material. I got the impression that he was referring to it as a tough to machine material. I suppose if you're used to wood and machinable waxes, aluminum would be a tough thing to run into.
It's obvious that steels and titaniums are harder to machine than aluminium. regardless of your resume. "As tough as aluminium or even tougher" so I guess the guy should have said, "well not tougher but it will machine aluminium". Given the size of the machine it was a reasonable question and a pretty reasonable answer. As well as wood and waxes there are also engineering plastics and plenty of other materials that are easier to machine than aluminium and many small machines have very questionable performance on aluminium if they can machine it at all.
To me it doesn't. I think its just the illusion of the part tilting combined with the a &b axes moving the part up with the mill head moving towards the piece.
Well, you can technically. DMLS prints fully metal components, alu, steel or titanium, and they're as strong as machined components, and as reliable. In fact, aerospace industry uses such parts all the time, they started the tech in the first place. The problem is, you can't get a nice finish on them like you can with CNC machining.
very cool. i've been searching a 5 axis cnc machine for quite a wile. the cheapest 5 axis are 30 grand and is a bit bigger than this one, bigger ones are 60k minimum. i think it's kool but i'm still waiting for something at around 10k that can mill automotive size parts
I wonder how it compares in a price/volume comparison. I don't know if that $60k mill he is talking about has a maximum volume of 15 orange halves. :) At least in one axis that would be almost 1m.
benner2000 not an american, i was just using the same unit for clarity. But I think you wrote the volume badly, it is 7 ½. You need to use fractional oranges. :) Anyway, over here we use grapes to have more precision. :)
I think it sure has. the Volume grows by the factor³ . So even if it is "just" two times the build size in each of the 3 "normal" axis - it ends up being 8 times bigger. 3x this machines size in each axis I would still consider a "small machine" - and that equates to 27times the processible volume - 3³ = 27 - so yes, i strongly believe it can have 15 times the volume. To have 15times the volume you do not need to have 15times the lenght in one axis - only 2,5times on 3 axis. which equates to 15,625
Right. I'm not sure why i would consider increased volume in only one axis. I think i was aiming for the joke and let logic suffer. :) In any case, all 5-axis mills i saw had a larger machining area. But those could have costed hundreds of thousands of dollars. What i'm saying here is that if he only says the price of that other machine without it's working volume the comparison is less valid. If that other machine has the same working area they got a really fine product.
0:35 - can you explain why it becomes harder to design as you add additional axis? "Well, making overhangs is really hard for 3d printing, but we can do it fine on a 5-axis CNC mill..."
you have to make sure the machine can reach all positions in space and also design it rigid and without slop/play because on rotational axis, slop/play gets proportional the more the tool is away from the center of rotation
That sounds like a really cool Idea. You could probably mod this machine for that fairly easy, replace the spindle with a 3D printer head. I am concerned about how well it would work though, mainly how well the work is attached to the print bed. Normally during 3D printing you don't want it to stick so well that you can not remove it, that might cause some issues with tilting.
The carbon M1 is great I'm sure, But as far as I can see it does not allow much more overhang than most other 3D printers. Say you needed to print an umbrella right side up for some reason, Carbon M1 can not do it without support material. A 5-Axis FDM printer could however.
There's no such thing as a need for a 5 axis 3D printer. There are already 3D printing methods far superior. SLS and SLA printers are far superior, and SLS don't need to print supports at all, they're incredibly accurate and don't give a damn about how complex whatever you're printing is. FDM printers, which is what people think of when they think about 3D printing, are a joke. They're toys. Have something printed on a 150000 dollar EOS SLS machine for example, and you'll get parts that are insanely high quality and accurate. Again, complexity doesn't matter. No worries about overhangs, thin walls, etc. The material itself supports the model.
For Autodesk Fusion 360 you mean? Yeah. I wish they'd offer the same terms for Inventor... Fusion 360 is supposed to be BETTER because it has CAM and stuff, too...but a lot of the feature overlap with Inventor, it does clumsily...seemingly on purpose. Pisses me off, because their pricing on Inventor is outrageous.
You have to take into account that Inventor is a very mature product that has been on the market for close to two decades. Fusion 360 is a completely new platform being built on modern architecture. It's been in development for about five years and only on the public market for about two years. ALL of the code has to be redeveloped which is a HUGE undertaking, but Autodesk is investing heavily and Fusion 360 is poised to become the future 3D CAD/CAM/CAE/FAE tool.
Tyler Keesling I get that, but it doesn't explain why transitioning from Inventor to Fusion 360, even the basic sketch tools feel limited and broken. Like somebody said "Hey, you know all those features we've spent years adding to Inventor? Lets make a new platform and completely forget everything we've learned, and generally make more advanced users miserable." I spent five years waiting for them to add things like a radial slot sketch tool to Inventor, and now I have to do without them again, like a savage. ヽ( ಠ_ಠ)ノ
+Bakamoichigei You're definitely not wrong when you take a side-by-side feature comparison between Fusion 360 vs. traditional CAD tools like Invt and SWx. They're still more feature rich. So yes, for more advanced users Invt and SWx are better CAD tools. But you have to take a step back and not look at Fusion 360 as a traditional CAD tool to understand the difference. It's much much more than that. We didn't build a hybrid-cloud CAD tool just to say we did like an OnShape. As for features, 'they're coming' and if you think you have a good idea, submit it to the IdeaStation- we actually take them into consideration and implement them. But moving forward, you'll see where we're going with Fusion 360 and the whole concept/design/engineer/manufacture process. We're not there yet, but we're getting close.
He asked how big of parts you could make, but what about how small? Like would I be able to mill a small gear for say a watch using the right attachments?
any software that moves more then 3 axis at the same time (true 4 and 5 axis milling)? Any plans of finally making a larger one that can hold larger blanks? An orange is a terribly tiny thing.
Fusion 360 (free for hobbyists or 300$ a year), Bobcad-Cam (which i think only costs 5000$ for 5 axis with intelligent toolpath generation and machine simulation), Mastercam (pricey), Powermill (pricey), Solidworks (pricey) and many more... (pricey means 15-30k)
well now it does 5 axis contour lines for engraving and 5 axis swarf but i know what you want to say. Someday when i have finished my 5 axis machine and Fusion 360 still does not support real 5 axis simultaneous and machine simulation i may change to Bobcad cam which has a resonable price, real 5 axis simultaneous and machine simulation and does not relie on servers
"Hey nerds, you see my Harley bandanna? That's right! I'm the hardest fool in this building!" *_strokes goatee as he picks up his cnc mill and struts off_*
It depends of the motor, you can burn it even if it's going slower. Theorically, you could even mill steel if you mill it slow enought, but in reality, you'll ruin you milling machine
Guys, it doesn't work that way. Its about rigidity and that is something that comes from the ENTIRE machine. The quality of the linear guide ways, the ball screws, the ball screw nuts the spindle bearings the chassis. 7075 is soft. Try mild steel. That is the measure of cutting something hard. The reason a 5 axis cost so much is because you can do 95% of most models on a 4-axis. You can get a way better 4 axis mill, like 10x better mill for twice his price.
That lack of a proper bed I think would be the end of it for anything remotely hard, what really concerns me is the way the A, B an Y axis assembly is attached to the rest of the machine, it looks flimsy and the lack of back photos of the machine in their page doesn't help, I just hope that they didn't just screwed it.
It looks sort of like a budget version of a Cybaman Replicator. Pocket NC 5 axis is ~$4k. Mdaprecision's TN5 (a Wabeco 3 axis with mda's TN4 trunion table added) is a 5 axis benchtop CNC machine for ~$33k that will also cut steel. Pocket NC is ~8x less expensive, which is impressive - just not quite so impressive as the "15x less expensive" claim in this video.
Rebuilding the root of a tooth? That confused me quite a bit. How would you even make it stick and stay in place without using screw threads. If you're using the latter then you wouldn't even bother building a root to begin with. It got me very curious to what the dentist was attempting to do in the first place.
I'm no dentist, but we actually machine dental implants where I work. We machine about 12 different sizes with varying lengths and thread tapers. I think what he meant was that they could machine a perfect implant for your jaw. Can you machine one with this cheap machine? Maybe, but I imagine it wouldn't be pretty. Its just not a practical option.
You would always need to mill a jig for a different tooth then super glue the tooth to the jig. This jig would be used on the last milling operation. Heat the jig and tooth to make superglue release.
Love these things but as good as this is (yes I know commercially they are obscenely priced), it's $4000 for something that can only make very small objects.
Which is absolutely perfect, because companies who do CNC machining will charge you a fortune to make small alu parts. If you have small business and have a need to machine small components, this is perfect for you.
Id make that atleast alittle bigger. the B and A axis need some more room with Z that spindle isnt able to move fully like a true 5 axis otherwise it would move just as the table does as well.
Maybe? I would guess the object is just demonstrating how it can mill complex shapes (i.e. be a 5-axis working mill). I have not looked but I heard the accuracy is ~ .005 thou which IMHO would not be accurate enough for something spinning at many thousands of RPMs (without having to balance it). Its a super cool toy anyways.. very nice.
***** comes down to a number of things, tool bit is a small part of it, mostly its motor torque and the CNC driver torque on the turntables. also you would have to mod this to have coolant for the tool bit. and since jobs take so very long in these machines the motors would need active cooling as well
CNS's are a the industry of this decade. CNS's make everything that is around u today. some are different types but its still all revolved around the CNC mills and laths.
I'd like one, but the price tag is just a bit too high. This is half the price of a 4 axis tormach which could arguably be more useful. I'd be more interested when 5 axis cam is more consumer friendly and if flood coolant was supported.
huh, dentists are using it, I wonder how that works with the roots. A few years ago, they just yanked my tooth. Drilled a hole into my bone, and screwed into it.
lol its $4000 you can get this www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3040-5-Axis-Table-Column-Type-Engraving-Machine-Router-High-pricision-Ball/ for a third of the cost and it has a much larger build volume and the same material range
King Harkinian my dad and i are looking at getting one of those ebay ones or a basic 3 axis mill and installing CNC drivers etc for a $1000 more and then we can cut S-steal or other hard materials. its sad that there is no mid level entry machine for around $4000 that can cut steal and make things larger then your fist. this thing is a joke and these guys are laughing thanks to people that cant take the time to look stuff up. the way i see it if you have the know how and skill to need something like this you should be able to adapt a cheap $2000 3 axis mill and make the turntables to make it 5axis CNC
If these guys made a more middle-ground machine for $4000, with a work area of at least 12", then we'd be talking. If you're planning on making money a big budget machine might be better anyway, but for people like FIRSTers $4k is a reasonable investment.
King Harkinian exactly, as it is your looking at 10s of thousands to get a machine with a wide material range and work area. so i wont throw away my $4000 on something like this when i can modify a 3 axis mill with readily available kits that you can get to modify normal milling machines. if these guys get there buts in gear and drop the prie on this to under $2000 i would be on board with this rather then the chinese one. and yes they should focus on a larger machine with full material range
This interview is extremely weird. The interviewee doesnt answer any questions. He just says tangential statements for a while until the next question....
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Really important contribution to desktop CNC. The first of many innovative and productive enhancements to the home based manufacturing environment. Keep up the great work!
I owned a 5 axis capable shop for 10 years. This little thing is 'neat-o' but has such an enormous list of limitations that it will be merely an interesting toy. That does not make it bad, but any buyer should keep expectations very low. Beyond the machine itself - one of the biggest challenges is programming and setting up the machine. Little CNC's in the maker world seem to be promoted as 3D printers "just add material and print out an aluminum part" That is not even close to being true. Tool selection, tool holding, work holding, tool paths are each a long and difficult learning curve and they all have to be applied successfully to get a part without damaging the machine. Rigidity, power, and max tool diamter on this machine will be marginal which means that the cuts will have to be very light and cycle times will be VERY long. Interesting addition to a shop, but it will consume a LOT of time and produce very little. Good luck with it.
The design, engineering, and build quality (judging from the pics) seems very good for what they are after - desktop 5-axis. I would love to test one with some of our small 5 axis parts to see how far it can go. All of my CNC's were pushed beyond what they were designed for - but they are all 10,000lb $150k machines.
You actually highlight the strength of this machine - learning 5-axis.
It's so exciting to see these sort of machines becoming cheaper. I can't wait for 10 years from now when it'll be totally saleable for a normal person to be able to own a 3D printer, a laser cutter, and a mini CNC mill.
We’re close😃
what would be your options would you say now? CO2 laser seems still high price@@VildeFX
I want it now! What a beauty!
Not surprised to see you here, love your videos man, especially the tesla turbines ,
I still need to see episode three of this new turbine. XD
Do you want to get one of this ?
But when :)?
Make it yourself. Not that hard to make a cnc machine and it will cost less too. The parts are easy to get.
Well well what do we have here
While it is a cool machine I had some serious issues with it as a machinist.
one was the chatter coming from the tool when cutting aluminum, heck even wood. This is partly due to how the tool was setup sticking out extremely far but still NOT cool!
Second was the lack of chip guards on the "X" axis. You get stuff into the leadscrews and nuts and their going to wear out fast.
Also the guy mentions you could threadmill holes but at (advertised) +/-.005" accuracy that is going to be one funky shaped hole! Sure you maybe able to get a fitting to work but most thread mills that size are EXTREMELY tiny and delicate and expensive!
That said I am excited to see someone taking on the challenge of a 5-axis desktop CNC machine I just felt like it could use some extra "additions" to make it a bit better. I do hope this encourages others to try making more desktop CNC machines!
Machinists making parts for profit aren't interested in this. High quality small machines exist, they just aren't cheap.
The problem isn't about production machining. It is that it is marketed as cutting aluminum, which it can just barely do . It is a deceptive practice which I fell for because I had no idea how unrealistic this was. I bout a CNC router and its a piece of crap. I have since moved on to my second real CNC machine, and now that I am a machinist, I can say that this is deceptive.
It's just infomercial style selling everyone has been groomed for caveat emptor and all....
mikethezipper agreed... that is why I brought the excessive chatter when cutting anything up. Proper tooling could help but if it chatters cutting wood your doing SOMETHING wrong...
and yes as for CNC routers + aluminum it can be done but don't expect good quality cuts. Routers were made for soft materials. Aluminum (relatively speaking) is not soft :)
+mikethezipper You didn't say anything about tools and spindle speed used with your router? Are you sure you used mills for aluminium not universal? AL swarf is very sticky just after cut and must be very quick evacuate from cutting area. That why AL tools have much faster helix. Also number of teeth should be small, one or two max.
20 year full time cnc machinist here. At the different place I have worked, I have experience with 2 axis to 9 axis machines and everything in between. I think his price is extremely reasonable. I have a bench top 3 axis cnc at home to play with. I think that as these are more well known about, he will be able to raise the price not lower it.
I am a Engineer and a cnc machinist and this comment is complete bullshtt.
I have a 5 axis bench mill with a 14x28 bed travel and a 22’-Z that I’ve built and its far more rigid, larger, and precision a machine than this. Mine even rapids at 2000 ipm and machines at 300ipm just like a mini robodrill. I didn’t pay $10,000 to build it either. I still have room to add a tool changer.
If you search online a company called Robotdigg makes an almost identical 5 axis they sell that uses actual AC servos and not steppers for $4000 with a full enclosure. I almost nought it but i still think its over priced when I looked what it costs to buy parts at retail.
For someone who calls themselves a machinist you’re way out of touch on pricing. Only proves to me you’re a user of machines and not an engineer.
Btw goto aliexpress they have several benchtop 5axis available now for around $2500 each. Why buy this when you can have a better more rigid machine at a 1/4 of the price.
@@glennedward2201 hello, do you have a link for the benchtop 5 axis cnc at 2500$ on aliexpress ?
@@glennedward2201I too would like to buy your machine if it is cheaper and better. 😅
you are talking about building one for yourself and then keeping it. so you benefit from your time invested. So you have a few thousand $$$ invested PLUS your time, will you sell it to me for that price without charging for your time? You said my comment is complete bullshit. If I am wrong why don't you start making them and selling them cheaper. if you are correct you will make a fortune, If I am correct you will get tired of not getting paid for your time and stop doing business after the first one. Who's comment is BS now?@@glennedward2201
@@glennedward2201 That RobotDigg CNC seems quite interesting. Likely too steep a learning curve to start off with but just out of interest, do you mind expanding a bit on what the limitations would be for that machine in a hobbyist context? Would cutting aluminium be quite easily achievable given that you know how to set it up and program it or would it still be a challenge for that machine solely because of its limitations? I assume harder materials are completely out of the question? Thank you at least for your feedback on the above machine, because it's quite hard for a layman to determine whether or not this is a good fit for its intended purpose
That is really an impressive little machine. I wish them much success.
best part about this as they get more customers, and more efficient at building these the cheaper they get. can't wait to get one of these to go next to my 3d printer.
Is this machine capable of making a turbo-encabulator ?
a turbo-what?
A turbo encabulator. Not to be confused with a retro encabulator. Those are a cheap clone.
A micro encabulator perhaps, and only some parts of it. Unless you expect it to actually work that is. After years of extensive research I came to a conclusion that the cost of the equipment actually plays crucial role in fabricating that wonderful device.
Only if you run it with panametric lunar wane shaft instead of the two spurving bearings.
No, it only makes impellers.
I want to see him put that in his pocket
We are about to learn, that we are buying our pockets from the wrong place!
Well, anything you make on this will fit in your pocket.
Why do you hate insects so much?
Pocket NC fusion 360
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Pretty cool CNC machine for practice and prototype. Yes. for practice, and prototype.
tech is such an awesome thing to see evolve - cool product to see
the tiny engine block looks amazing
That micro V8 has my attention!! Can't wait for more!! Conley's are sweet but this size is it!!
There is a ton of space above the spindle that is totally empty and not a collison zone. It would be cool if an auto-tool changer was implemented as a mod or an add-on
Wait, did Jamie quit Tested?
It's only Adam in the intro?
Tactical Ultimatum
Did I miss an announcement or did he just leave? Oh well, I suppose he didn't really do much with Tested anyway.
In fairness, I've only seen Jamie in one short series on Tested, his failed 'racing spiders' project- I've been sub'd for maybe 2 or 3 years. Not surprised he left once Myth Busters finished, no reason to hang around...
His central heating system was quite interesting tbh.
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+rafael rafael Jamie: "Gator don't play 2nd to no one"
The small price and size is a huge selling point not just for hobbyists with workshops but for a small company or a university engineering department.
I can think of numerous instances where something could be fabricated in aluminum without using valuable time on the £100,000 CNC mill that fills half a room.
Now if only we can get a version that can work steels.
I can't wait to see this in the watch making world
2:27 .... This is actually why I want this machine for!!!
My major issue is the price. He says that other 5 axis machines are all 60k plus. Not really. For 8 or 9 grand you can get about a 2x2x2 foot "desktop" cnc compared to this couple of inches. Of course that higher price isn't just for the large size but also the fact that you can 3d print with the other one. And if you want to go industrial, Haas has a machine you can get for just over 40k, of course you have to have it shipped but now you have a 1 cubic foot work space and coolemt so you can machine anything like titanium or inconel.
been using my Brown and Sharpe five axis horizontal milling machine (it's got a vertical attachment) for more than forty years,and it was WAY old when I got hold of it...
Wow, that thing is truly one cool machine! At a great price!
6160 Aluminum... As a Mechanical Engineer, I'm laughing my ass off right now! It's 6061... And 6061 is soft in the realm of metals.
6160 also exists.
Only as a mispronunciation of 6061. I just spent ten minutes looking for material properties for "6160" and it doesn't exist.There's a 6162, but the most common 6000 series aluminum is 6061 and thus I believe the host simply got his numbers mixed up.
He probably did mean 6061 you are correct but although not a standard alloy you would find listed in Marks', 6160 does seem to exist: www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=528f334d9fe74ffa91a715d34a3bf26b&ckck=1
But I still don't really get your overall point. 6061 is a material you can make useful parts from, I didn't get the impression he was suggesting it was super tough to machine.
Norm asks if it can do any tougher materials and the host points to 6061. As someone who's worked with steels (1018 to 4130), titanium (grade 2 and grade 5) and aluminum alloys, the aluminum alloys are a joke to machine when compared to grade 5 Ti. It's usable, certainly, but not a tough to machine material. I got the impression that he was referring to it as a tough to machine material. I suppose if you're used to wood and machinable waxes, aluminum would be a tough thing to run into.
It's obvious that steels and titaniums are harder to machine than aluminium. regardless of your resume. "As tough as aluminium or even tougher" so I guess the guy should have said, "well not tougher but it will machine aluminium". Given the size of the machine it was a reasonable question and a pretty reasonable answer. As well as wood and waxes there are also engineering plastics and plenty of other materials that are easier to machine than aluminium and many small machines have very questionable performance on aluminium if they can machine it at all.
Cool! I'm really excited about what all these machines mean for the future.
Wow, what a thing of beauty. Just brilliant!
What kind of linear and angular backlash does the PocketNC have?
10 week lead time?! Wow that's fast. No seriously, for something that's made to order that is fantastic.
Norm, you're looking way more fashionable as of late. (and as always great interview)
I love these kind of things.
1:24 does it look like the mill head bends from the torque of the A-axis?
The y-axis is moving at the same time so it gives it the appearance that it is bending.
To me it doesn't. I think its just the illusion of the part tilting combined with the a &b axes moving the part up with the mill head moving towards the piece.
OH (looking at the date), it's THAT (Bay Area) Maker Faire. I knew it couldn't be Atlanta or NY, they're coming up next weekend.
You don't even have to justify a 5 axis cnc over 3D printing by talking about overhangs. You can't 3D print worked strength metal. This is way cooler.
wasnt the overhang comment about 3 axis cnc vs 5 axis?
Well, you can technically. DMLS prints fully metal components, alu, steel or titanium, and they're as strong as machined components, and as reliable. In fact, aerospace industry uses such parts all the time, they started the tech in the first place. The problem is, you can't get a nice finish on them like you can with CNC machining.
Aerospace space company I used to work for 3d printed titanium parts.
very cool. i've been searching a 5 axis cnc machine for quite a wile. the cheapest 5 axis are 30 grand and is a bit bigger than this one, bigger ones are 60k minimum. i think it's kool but i'm still waiting for something at around 10k that can mill automotive size parts
this is perfect for my idea......a micro engine/generator.....I want a DC generator that runs from petro....around the 5 volt output
I wonder how it compares in a price/volume comparison. I don't know if that $60k mill he is talking about has a maximum volume of 15 orange halves. :) At least in one axis that would be almost 1m.
7.5 Oranges?! You crazy Americans! Over here we measure things by the apple.
benner2000 not an american, i was just using the same unit for clarity. But I think you wrote the volume badly, it is 7 ½. You need to use fractional oranges. :) Anyway, over here we use grapes to have more precision. :)
I think it sure has.
the Volume grows by the factor³ .
So even if it is "just" two times the build size in each of the 3 "normal" axis - it ends up being 8 times bigger.
3x this machines size in each axis I would still consider a "small machine" - and that equates to 27times the processible volume - 3³ = 27 - so yes, i strongly believe it can have 15 times the volume.
To have 15times the volume you do not need to have 15times the lenght in one axis - only 2,5times on 3 axis.
which equates to 15,625
Right. I'm not sure why i would consider increased volume in only one axis. I think i was aiming for the joke and let logic suffer. :)
In any case, all 5-axis mills i saw had a larger machining area. But those could have costed hundreds of thousands of dollars. What i'm saying here is that if he only says the price of that other machine without it's working volume the comparison is less valid. If that other machine has the same working area they got a really fine product.
0:35 - can you explain why it becomes harder to design as you add additional axis?
"Well, making overhangs is really hard for 3d printing, but we can do it fine on a 5-axis CNC mill..."
you have to make sure the machine can reach all positions in space and also design it rigid and without slop/play because on rotational axis, slop/play gets proportional the more the tool is away from the center of rotation
I am looking forward to 5-Axis 3D printer, so we don't need to print support for gaps and hole anymore .Or does it exist already?
That sounds like a really cool Idea. You could probably mod this machine for that fairly easy, replace the spindle with a 3D printer head. I am concerned about how well it would work though, mainly how well the work is attached to the print bed. Normally during 3D printing you don't want it to stick so well that you can not remove it, that might cause some issues with tilting.
The carbon M1 is great I'm sure, But as far as I can see it does not allow much more overhang than most other 3D printers. Say you needed to print an umbrella right side up for some reason, Carbon M1 can not do it without support material. A 5-Axis FDM printer could however.
There was a 5-axis 3D printer on DiginfoTV a month ago.
There's no such thing as a need for a 5 axis 3D printer. There are already 3D printing methods far superior. SLS and SLA printers are far superior, and SLS don't need to print supports at all, they're incredibly accurate and don't give a damn about how complex whatever you're printing is. FDM printers, which is what people think of when they think about 3D printing, are a joke. They're toys. Have something printed on a 150000 dollar EOS SLS machine for example, and you'll get parts that are insanely high quality and accurate. Again, complexity doesn't matter. No worries about overhangs, thin walls, etc. The material itself supports the model.
CNC?
Music Factory?
Is it dope enough? Indeed!
Haha seriously, I have one and it sounds like the origins of dubstep when it's cutting!
Could you even make a functioning engine out of a engine block of that size at 2:28? That would be so cool!
I like their licensing model. Clever. "Don't pay us until you can afford it."
For Autodesk Fusion 360 you mean? Yeah. I wish they'd offer the same terms for Inventor... Fusion 360 is supposed to be BETTER because it has CAM and stuff, too...but a lot of the feature overlap with Inventor, it does clumsily...seemingly on purpose. Pisses me off, because their pricing on Inventor is outrageous.
You have to take into account that Inventor is a very mature product that has been on the market for close to two decades. Fusion 360 is a completely new platform being built on modern architecture. It's been in development for about five years and only on the public market for about two years. ALL of the code has to be redeveloped which is a HUGE undertaking, but Autodesk is investing heavily and Fusion 360 is poised to become the future 3D CAD/CAM/CAE/FAE tool.
Tyler Keesling I get that, but it doesn't explain why transitioning from Inventor to Fusion 360, even the basic sketch tools feel limited and broken. Like somebody said "Hey, you know all those features we've spent years adding to Inventor? Lets make a new platform and completely forget everything we've learned, and generally make more advanced users miserable." I spent five years waiting for them to add things like a radial slot sketch tool to Inventor, and now I have to do without them again, like a savage. ヽ( ಠ_ಠ)ノ
+Bakamoichigei You're definitely not wrong when you take a side-by-side feature comparison between Fusion 360 vs. traditional CAD tools like Invt and SWx. They're still more feature rich. So yes, for more advanced users Invt and SWx are better CAD tools. But you have to take a step back and not look at Fusion 360 as a traditional CAD tool to understand the difference. It's much much more than that. We didn't build a hybrid-cloud CAD tool just to say we did like an OnShape. As for features, 'they're coming' and if you think you have a good idea, submit it to the IdeaStation- we actually take them into consideration and implement them. But moving forward, you'll see where we're going with Fusion 360 and the whole concept/design/engineer/manufacture process. We're not there yet, but we're getting close.
This thing looks awesome, I want one.
I want to know more detail about poket NC . How can I buy it ?
He asked how big of parts you could make, but what about how small? Like would I be able to mill a small gear for say a watch using the right attachments?
NICE i have waited for a review of that machine :D Thank you
This is not even close to a review though.
+Attila theHun yes i know, i wrote the comment before watching the video^^
Hopefully some time in the future we get a proper review.
Would have loved to have seen the finished compressor
Is this CNC making a mini compressor wheel, like one from a turbo charger??
any software that moves more then 3 axis at the same time (true 4 and 5 axis milling)?
Any plans of finally making a larger one that can hold larger blanks? An orange is a terribly tiny thing.
Fusion 360 (free for hobbyists or 300$ a year), Bobcad-Cam (which i think only costs 5000$ for 5 axis with intelligent toolpath generation and machine simulation), Mastercam (pricey), Powermill (pricey), Solidworks (pricey) and many more... (pricey means 15-30k)
Fusion360 only does that for 2 very limited strategies that only work with contours and thus fail with milling meshes and with imported STEP files.
well now it does 5 axis contour lines for engraving and 5 axis swarf but i know what you want to say. Someday when i have finished my 5 axis machine and Fusion 360 still does not support real 5 axis simultaneous and machine simulation i may change to Bobcad cam which has a resonable price, real 5 axis simultaneous and machine simulation and does not relie on servers
Very nice. A creative mind could get rich quick with that. Needs to be a tad bigger to find a spot in my shop. A++
Nice, but it's not the fastest machine on the block...by using MasterCam or SolidCam, can the toolpaths be adapted for this machine?
Wow, a great machine!
"Hey nerds, you see my Harley bandanna? That's right! I'm the hardest fool in this building!" *_strokes goatee as he picks up his cnc mill and struts off_*
When is Simone coming back!!
I still would not eat for two years straight for one of these
6061 aluminum is the softer one for iphone6. What about 7075 aluminum, the harder one for iphone6s. I mean, RC cars tends to use 7075.
might have to go a little slower but I don't see a reason why not
It depends of the motor, you can burn it even if it's going slower. Theorically, you could even mill steel if you mill it slow enought, but in reality, you'll ruin you milling machine
+gosonegr I meant slower feed speed not slower spindle speed..
Guys, it doesn't work that way. Its about rigidity and that is something that comes from the ENTIRE machine. The quality of the linear guide ways, the ball screws, the ball screw nuts the spindle bearings the chassis. 7075 is soft. Try mild steel. That is the measure of cutting something hard. The reason a 5 axis cost so much is because you can do 95% of most models on a 4-axis. You can get a way better 4 axis mill, like 10x better mill for twice his price.
That lack of a proper bed I think would be the end of it for anything remotely hard, what really concerns me is the way the A, B an Y axis assembly is attached to the rest of the machine, it looks flimsy and the lack of back photos of the machine in their page doesn't help, I just hope that they didn't just screwed it.
Getting one for sure!
What was the name of the site where u could buy from the creator/designer directly, Adam has mentioned it before and fuck i cant remember the name?
Oh, Mosaic Manufacutring in the background there, my cousin is part of that startup.
It looks sort of like a budget version of a Cybaman Replicator. Pocket NC 5 axis is ~$4k. Mdaprecision's TN5 (a Wabeco 3 axis with mda's TN4 trunion table added) is a 5 axis benchtop CNC machine for ~$33k that will also cut steel. Pocket NC is ~8x less expensive, which is impressive - just not quite so impressive as the "15x less expensive" claim in this video.
8x less expensive but can only mill very soft alu .........and small work area .... = u pay 4k for toy
Can you tap stainless with this machine ?
Now I can make my own compressor wheels!
Could this machine cut into steel, such as handgun slides?
Now i can have all the 80% ar-15 lowers i want
too big and why would you a 80% are you going to sell me
lmao
Good luck broaching with that thing for the magazine...
+estlou 80% have the magwell machined out already. all that needs punched out is the fire control group.
+MISTER “J0HN D03” I bet if you finagled it in there it could be done.
now that is pretty crazy. nice.
This guy is a high quality dude. Great idea, good answers. He made me want to buy the product even though I dont need it xD.
Is it better to spend money on this PocketNC or on aliexpress models?
It's very beautiful
I'm not an expert but they probably can make it less beautiful and more cheap
what's the aware of upper computer?Mach3?
Rebuilding the root of a tooth? That confused me quite a bit. How would you even make it stick and stay in place without using screw threads. If you're using the latter then you wouldn't even bother building a root to begin with. It got me very curious to what the dentist was attempting to do in the first place.
I'm no dentist, but we actually machine dental implants where I work. We machine about 12 different sizes with varying lengths and thread tapers. I think what he meant was that they could machine a perfect implant for your jaw. Can you machine one with this cheap machine? Maybe, but I imagine it wouldn't be pretty. Its just not a practical option.
You would always need to mill a jig for a different tooth then super glue the tooth to the jig. This jig would be used on the last milling operation. Heat the jig and tooth to make superglue release.
That's really impressive for the price :)
OMG give me one ! lol. That's amazing dude congrats!
No need of oil to cool it down?
Love these things but as good as this is (yes I know commercially they are obscenely priced), it's $4000 for something that can only make very small objects.
Which is absolutely perfect, because companies who do CNC machining will charge you a fortune to make small alu parts. If you have small business and have a need to machine small components, this is perfect for you.
The price isnt bad. If you want bigger parts pay more money. You arent getting a $1m 5 axis machine for $4000 though.
Id make that atleast alittle bigger. the B and A axis need some more room with Z that spindle isnt able to move fully like a true 5 axis otherwise it would move just as the table does as well.
Is he milling a turbo compressor wheel?
Maybe? I would guess the object is just demonstrating how it can mill complex shapes (i.e. be a 5-axis working mill). I have not looked but I heard the accuracy is ~ .005 thou which IMHO would not be accurate enough for something spinning at many thousands of RPMs (without having to balance it).
Its a super cool toy anyways.. very nice.
looks exactly like one
It looks like it fucked up a little
No that is the roughing passes and it is doing the finishing pass. It hasn't finished the cut.
Could you do titanium?
Hi, how much is the price for this
Will she do steel ?
Would it be able to work with 6al-4v titanium plate?
no.... nope .... not a chance, aluminum is about the best it can do
Buzz kill. I was hoping I could use it to make knife liners and frames.
I'm busy thinking, it might come down to the motor... not sure...
Probably the heat factor.
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comes down to a number of things, tool bit is a small part of it, mostly its motor torque and the CNC driver torque on the turntables. also you would have to mod this to have coolant for the tool bit. and since jobs take so very long in these machines the motors would need active cooling as well
Can this be used for making airsoft parts?
CNS's are a the industry of this decade. CNS's make everything that is around u today. some are different types but its still all revolved around the CNC mills and laths.
pocket? in whose pocket? Godzillas pocket?
Instead of taking up 2x2m of floorspace.
hiphop baggy pants
That little engine block tho!
this is a very cool gizmo.
but can it do AR15 lowers?
What's the selling price please
If only ants needed a cnc
yes larger 5axis mills cost more but they can mill larger volumes and sizes what can this do a 5centimeter engine block
I'd like one, but the price tag is just a bit too high. This is half the price of a 4 axis tormach which could arguably be more useful. I'd be more interested when 5 axis cam is more consumer friendly and if flood coolant was supported.
If you had it in a cabinet like that one you could use a gas or air cooler.
Gamesman01 They already said air is not even good for it, it forces chips into the inner workings.
You don't actually want flood coolant on a machine this small. Mist from someone like UNIST will perform much better.
prototype3a Any machine can benefit from flood.
rkshireygames How many years of experience do you have doing cnc machining with tools less than 2mm in diameter?
F360 for the win!
huh, dentists are using it, I wonder how that works with the roots. A few years ago, they just yanked my tooth. Drilled a hole into my bone, and screwed into it.
how can I buy this
But can it mill a whistle?
Its now almost 7 grand for the basic model
A closeup of ANY final product would have been nice.
how much in usd ?
I have a mighty need
lol its $4000 you can get this
www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3040-5-Axis-Table-Column-Type-Engraving-Machine-Router-High-pricision-Ball/
for a third of the cost and it has a much larger build volume and the same material range
Yeah. I was actually looking that up when you sent it :D
King Harkinian
my dad and i are looking at getting one of those ebay ones or a basic 3 axis mill and installing CNC drivers etc for a $1000 more and then we can cut S-steal or other hard materials. its sad that there is no mid level entry machine for around $4000 that can cut steal and make things larger then your fist. this thing is a joke and these guys are laughing thanks to people that cant take the time to look stuff up. the way i see it if you have the know how and skill to need something like this you should be able to adapt a cheap $2000 3 axis mill and make the turntables to make it 5axis CNC
If these guys made a more middle-ground machine for $4000, with a work area of at least 12", then we'd be talking. If you're planning on making money a big budget machine might be better anyway, but for people like FIRSTers $4k is a reasonable investment.
King Harkinian
exactly, as it is your looking at 10s of thousands to get a machine with a wide material range and work area. so i wont throw away my $4000 on something like this when i can modify a 3 axis mill with readily available kits that you can get to modify normal milling machines. if these guys get there buts in gear and drop the prie on this to under $2000 i would be on board with this rather then the chinese one. and yes they should focus on a larger machine with full material range
can you tell me the cost
I'd be more interested if it could handle steel at least.
*gets asked one question*
*answers another*
This interview is extremely weird. The interviewee doesnt answer any questions. He just says tangential statements for a while until the next question....