I pulled in dry songs and they all sound different in every daw… it’s the audio engine Studio one did not sound as good as Protools Protools had my voice very clean and clear, but the best sound was warm and full, and altogether was Cubase… more of a bass sound… so do sound differently. Just pull in a song dry, and you’ll see.
When Luna first dropped I mentioned in the UAD forum that Luna sounded better… Wayne they clowned me in the comments. Mind you I was monitoring through my Apollo X16 and Dangerous converters… so I’m hearing it through top notch conversion. They continued to laugh at me and said there’s no difference… “it’s all one and zeros” This confirms that I wasn’t wrong.
Crazy! Yes it´s all "ones and zeros" but if you put effects on and it sounds totally different it´s still only "ones and zeros". So that doesnt prove their point at all!
I have this argument with producers all the time. DAWs don't have color. I think what people are hearing (other than placebo) is each DAW has different audio settings out the box (like the sample and bit rate). Also, when importing audio there's different settings. Not to mention, what rate was the import record in? All these play a factor. What DOES sound different However, is the built-in effects each DAW has. For me Pro tools has one of the best out the box mixing tools. Yet personally, I don't even use pro tools and i used 3rd party mixing software.
Do a null test on this RUclips audio and you'll see it for yourself, believe the test and not anyone's opinion. Doing a null test on this video will null test the daws playback against each other and not their exports.
Luna definitely sounded the best with this audio file . Bottom line you can get away with any of them but as far as quality of sound . Logic and Luna stood above the rest . Pro tools was 3rd .
the way I can describe luna is silky smooth and comfortable, fl studio is harsh and jumpy, logic is clean clear and smooth, studio one is good, pro tools is accurate.
I have a question, maybe you can answer it or it can be a discussion? 1. How do you deal with a potential client who wants to come to your studio But they Want to use a certain DAW (Cubase or Logic) But Your main DAW is say "protools or ableton", and it's close to a deal breaker for them, how do you deal with that? 2. How do you "sell" A potential Client/artist to book your studio? Do you have to be a "salesman" for your studio or does the gear or track record You have speaks for itself? 3. Based on a clientele that will come to you is it wise to be the studio that can record everything Or to Niche down to " I only do country" or "I only do rap" or " I only do metal "? 4. Should a studio owner or recording engineer have the knowledge to record a "rap song" or a " rock song" If they never done it before to a potential client or just wing it? Sorry for so many questions.
Heya, speaking from experience: 1. if a studio supports only one type of DAW, then it imposes limits on how the client interoperates with that studio and its workflow. If you work on one type of DAW as a composer, and the studio uses a different one, you’ll be forced into a stem-based workflow: you’ll have to export your audio as stems to give to the studio for import, and accept stems from them to use the results. 2. Yes: the gear you have, the plugins, etc, are all part of the features of your studio. Moreover, your experience and client list are the big selling points! So you have the gear, but do you know how to use it and where’s the proof? 3. A niche allows you to focus and excel but could become the box that defines you and your work. Be wary. 4. Familiarity with a genre helps, get some experience with working with “both kinds of music: Country AND Western!” But seriously, genre-bending and eking out the best from your performers is the mark of a good producer, as distinct from an engineer whose job it is to make the best recording of a performance as possible with the tools at their disposal. They are distinct skill sets. Hope this helps, good luck with the journey!
I use FL for making my beats and Ableton for recording. I tried to record in FL but the sound in Ableton is warmer. And the workflow in Ableton for recording feels better, like adding plugins
The only difference between the DAW's specifically to the sound quality is when you import them to each DAW they have slightly vloume diference. In FL when you drop the file it' sounds a little bit louder compared to the rest, in other 4 they sound quite similler. So in FL because it's louder it gives a more high end frequency perception compared to Studio One, Pro tools, Logic Pro or Luna, which they have more warmer feeling due to the fact that they are less louder in this example. It can be other factors that can play a role like pan laws(only while mixing, panning stuffs), internal audio settings or console type simulations build in to the respective DAW. If you turn off all of the settings that makes a change and evenly match the volume of each audio file in any DAW, so they sound equally louder, then they have to sound exactly the same.
So could there be anything up under the hood that make them sound different? Like how they do with plugins. I’m thinking they might encode something under the hood that makes them sound different. I don’t know I’m just asking!
The only difference between DAW’s when it comes to untreated sound of a wav file is In each's dither .. Pan law is usually different … A pcm wav file is a pcm wave file. Period. The daw doesn’t do extra unnecessary work to a wav file unless it’s Harrison mixbus adding Harrison emulated saturation under the hood. Harrison is for people who want that and don’t want to do the extra work or making decisions of adding saturation to everything … Null test
Yes it does very well, either the dithering or not, but have You done a personal test like this before? If yes You would know it does, but something is every DAW is good but also they have better work flow than each of them, like I mentioned in My previous conversations about a test I did with Reason And Cakewalk, I found it a bit difficult to achieve My desired mix while in Cakewalk it was just a little nub dialing to the destination, this is how everything is not until when You practice same thus in deferment DAW.
@@pro_influence I’ve tested pro tools, studio one and fl studio with the same file. No dither no processing. They nulled out against each other. The interface gives the pc zero’s and ones and the daw records them as is.
@@sickmessiah good to know this but also try this:record vocal or guitar in each of them and export each Wav but not using a recorded wav file, this can't give enough best results You want but when You record in each of the DAW and export each out, play each and listen to their deferences.
Wavy, I noticed it and that means I'm not tripping. FL Studio was the one that sounded thinner than the rest. Logic sounded the better for me. Pro Tools, Studio One and Luna sounded accurate. Logic added some texture to the mids and highs that made sound slightly more polished to my ear. Plus, we already know how great the stock Logic Pro VI's are. Great vid man!
I did a test comparing Pro Tools and Luna, 1. No plugins 2. With Neve summing (Neve extension in Luna and UAD Neve Pre on every channel in Pro tools) 3. With Studer (Studer extension in Luna and UAD Studeron every channel in Pro tools). When phase inverted they all completely null, so if you are getting different results it only means that you are not doing the test properly.
@@Tristianwunder You obviously don't know me, or how much I know about the subject, but that's no reason to be an asshole. I don't feel the need to post on youtube my tests, my testimony is enough, but if (for you) it's not, I can do a video of my tests, if you are willing to pay for my time, as I am a professional who knows what he's doing (and how much my time is worth), which I suspect neither you nor the author of this video are.
I've heard the sound in all three daws and also heard finish product out in the real world and myself NO DAMN DIFFERENCE!!! Especially the average listening person listening on everyday ear bud's regular commercial headphones and audio devices.
@@pro_influence I find Luna interesting as well. However, I don't have a thunderbolt compatible mac OR Apollo hardware. FL studio for producing and PT for recording vocals and mixing will remain my go to it appears.
Studio One works super easily and the automations are just as easy to do, but it doesn't sound very good ... The moon doesn't seem out of the ordinary here. As a sound I would choose Pro Tools, it's super clean
I’ve always liked the Luna sound. Pro Tools and Studio One sound pretty close. Logic always sounds awesome, even their stock sounds. They all sound pretty good though, besides FL Studio. I'm listening on my Adam Audio's.
First of all wayne, I want to give you much props you helped out alot with my studio. I was an avid steinberg Nuendo 4 32 bit user. People sleeping on Nuendo. It's still killing the game. I started using studio one 4 both of them are like driving cars. You can have a pinto show out. not because of the car. It's because of the driver. So, to put my two cents in. I like the sound of studio one & Luna. They both have a certain type of grit.
I use Pro tools. But from what I hear on this video, my opinion is, Luna is 1, Logic 2 and Pro tools 3! I have a question, how do you feel about using Heat in Pro tools? I like using Heat it gives some nice saturation to the mix.
@@nunooliveira4257 I am now using the most current version of Pro Tools Studio, I was using the HD version before. Heat is also available with this version.
Bro. well done! but one but I felt You missed Someone and miss some test points here, first that person is Cakewalk By Bandlab which I thought it should be included in the test, I did something Personally on Cakewalk and on My Reason DAW which I'll still love You to redo Your test to get more result and to convince People more about each DAW Tone Quality and their Workflows, here is it; record a vocal on each DAW and export their RAW, 2. Equalize each audio file with a small amount of dynamic, if possible first give same settings and or mix as the as each DAW responds then export each of them and play the audio file of each DAW and now listen for comparison, that's what I did for Reason and Cakewalk. thanks for sharing this video.
I hear the difference, however, one thing to consider is that different interfaces mix differently with different DAWs. That being said there are many different combinations between interfaces and DAWs that produce different, better or worse results. I suppose if you do a very in-depth review you can take the top five interfaces and do the same comparison in a deeper way. (RME - Apollo - Etc)
Luna is number one??? I think that’s so cool. We’re always arguing about Logic and Pro Tools so this is so funny to me!! I love Logic, and I think ima stick beside it after this video. I’m so glad you did this. 🙏🏽
Logic and studio 1 sound the best and filled. FL, dry.. Luna nice but sound flat but better than FL. Protocols pops but it doesn't cover the vocals it sound warm and bubbly and bold🔥 still nice though. I use mixcraft but ik logic actually you can hear the mix down as you twist those nobs.
You are spot on about the “sonic blueprint” bro . I was just having this talk in a session w this artist that says he records in GarageBand… Each daw has an input blueprint seems like
Luna and Pro Tools sound the warmest to my ear. FL was lacking. Logic and Studio sound good. I believe its subjective because everyone's hearing is different and at different stages in life. Frequencies sound different to the young and old. Good vid though Wave!
A less dynamic frequency response might actually be better for dithering and lower bitrate versions as the way most people consume music is in a low resolution form I'm for what sounds the best in the most circumstances rather than what sounds better only with certain equipment/situations
he'll never do it, he's talking emotionally. There are people who have done research on this in universities and they said that DAWS do NOT add any color and their Null Test proved it. Wayne is just talking like someone who doesn't want to be educated. He Clearly has an understanding of the creative aspect of music but 0 understanding about the science.
Now here's the question. If you record the vocals in one DAW, then bounce them down and mix them in a different DAW, will the audio blue print change? Or is that only imprinted upon recording? I'm tempted to record vocals on something else and then bring them into FL to mix, just to see what happens.
Wavy you on point!!!!! I agree with your order of sound quality from each DAW,that is why I have been sticking with Logic Pro X over Pro tools to me,that is to me,it was easier to get a clearer quality sound on Logic over Pro tools for me,Pro tools is Still an Excellent DAW,but yeah wavy you right.Logic not beating Pro tools by much,but it's enough for some.
Why Cubase was not sent into the mix? Also, as a FL Studio user for over 15 years, I definitely agree that it has the worst sound engine out of all iv tried in the past but definitely the best for audio production.
The sound in Luna is Lush. Can’t really different the sound in other DAWs But let them work on making Luna work with other interfaces, I believe they will get more customers.
For me logic is number one. It seems to sound warmer and have a wider frequency range. FL studio in the second spot because it has more clarity. And frankly, clarity is what I'm looking for when I'm recording. #3 Luna #4 PreSonus studio #5 pro tools. That's just me though. Peace.
Interesting..!! So if I played a recording could you tell me which DAW I was using..? ( I would probably hear difference in various interface preamps ).
Thank you for your work! Could you please help me? We use behringer Wing > Reaper on mac > NDI audio > ProPresenter on PC to stream to RUclips. I noticed that when I go throug that route with a recorded sound, it's much more "full" and sounds better than when we do live broadcasting. We enforce 320 kbps in ProPresenter. I'm thinking that when doing live recording, the quality is being "eaten" somewhere, but I don't know where? Maybe it's worth transitionin to a different DAW? Please help! Maybe there are some other settings I should take care of?
Thank you for this video, I used to debate about this topic to my musician friends, most of them disagreed, for years I thought there was something wrong with my hearing. I've compared 6 DAWS I owned before, Pro tools, Cubase, Studio one, logic, Ableton and digital performer, although not as popular as the rest, I find DP to have the best sonic blueprint, logic comes 2nd, pro tools 3rd, it's a tie between Cubase & Studio One on the 4th and Ableton on the 5th On your comparison, Logic wins for me
Luna sounds the best I'm dealing buying that I've been using protools for mixing over a decade now feelings hurt a lil bit but facts are facts great video
It’s very funny how we all hear so differently. :) My favourite in this test is Studio One - more three dimensional and headroomier than the other. I think that’s something desirable for those who mix ITB. Next is Luna. The other three sound a tad two dimensional (compressed) to me. PT - a bit sterile (that’s what I’ve been using for over 20 years, btw; I recognise this sound) FL - punchier; I can understand why hip-hop producers like it; Logic - even punchier and mid rangy; I would have loved if you included Cubase and Reaper here. 25 years ago I compared Cubese to Pro Tools myself, and to my disbelief back then, Cubase definitely sounded much better. Some people swear by the sound of Samplitude. And to just leave everyone thoroughly confused, the best sounding DAW I ever heard up to this day was Ensonic Paris, but it was tied to their own great sounding Ensonic converters, I must say.
@@Андрюшкинс-ч8о Good question. I never used Reaper myself. I heard it in studios near by, but it wasn't enough for me to establish an opinion. That's why I said I would have liked to hear it in this comparison.
i agree, i worked 10 years in cubase, switchin to logic and the voice is far more forgrounded than in cubase. more brilliant but also not as much mysteriös :D
SOUND QUALITY was the most important factor for me: IN RESUME BEST SOUND QUALITY PROFESSIONAL (WIDE PANORAMA, GREAT KICK) 1, ABLETON LIVE 12 (Best sound quality - awful graphic interface, awful workflow) 2. STUDIO ONE 5,5 (Great sound quality, nice interface, great workflow-My Favourite DAW 3. FL STUDIO 21 ( Very good sound quality - best transparent graphic interface & workflow) 4. FL STUDIO 20 (Good sound quality, transparent graphic interface, good workflow) It was detailed comparison I spent months comparing sound engines.
OK. I've listened through each of the DAWS for the best sound quality and, I have to agree with you. Logic and luna have the best sound quality out of those 5.
For me, Pro Tools is first and Logic is a close second. Pro Tools has the best editing tools to give the music a different sound. There are so many possibilities with the workflow. The short cuts are great in Pro Tools. It's about frequencies and ear training to get the best results out of any DAW. Full Sail University, Audio Engineer Degree graduate February 5, 2021........ 😁
@@hawns5198 I love PT's. Learning about editing is a major part of finishing those projects. I do beats sometimes in Pro Tools after exporting the audio wav or mp3 files from Logic Pro. Good luck with your project ........!
bro your order is exactly how I felt. not just saying that. I got Adams t8vs. luna give the most warm feel, then logic, then protools, as fruity sounds trebley.
even though its 2 years later. the take for FL sounds the most warmer. Luna sounds more leveled if anything and Pro Tools sounds more like Luna. The best take in my opinion is FL.
I mean most people say converters dont sound any different either and that it doesnt make a difference and its not a noticeable difference in sound. The more i do this i just notice that most people cant hear that well lol.
Gonna be REALLLLLLLLLL honest with y'all, there is a "best DAW" in terms of opinions, but no DAW in general is "better than the other", even if this video is based on the poster's opinions on these DAW's. All DAW's work and function differently from others, and that's a good thing because each DAW can only suit a certain amount people based on not only their experience within audio production and experience with using a DAW they used to use, but also how well they can use the DAW they're about to use and how well it functions for them. So if they're having major trouble with using the DAW itself or a certain feature/function of it, then they have the help they need available to them. All-in-all, we gotta make the DAW's work for us. Also, how does sound play into choosing a DAW? Curious question.
I can tell the difference listening on my s20 plus phone speakers. To me luna and Harrison mix bus sound very similar ( I know that Harrison was not in the lineup.But, those who have used it know what I'm talking about. ) then logic. Studio One and Pro-tools sound very similar and they both sound very transparent. I use studio one and I like it but it tends to sound too transparent at times even when saturation is applied. I may just use studio one yo arrange and HARRISON MIXBUS to mix with.
Logic sounded the best. Pro Tools sounded the second best, though I don’t like that corporation since it’s been sold by Digi Design. . Fruity Loops didn’t sound that good. Luna and Studio One had cut the highs, making the vocal muddy. They will all sound the same if a person knows how to eq though, and have a good mic with pre amps. Wavy can fix the mix.
Luna and logic sounded the best to me for sure . I like the way protools sounds but that could be because I’m most familiar with that sound . It could be interchangeable with studio 1 for me . FL last but let’s be clear , the legend that is miss Caesar would sound good if you recorded with the microwave ! #legendarylove
Wavy, I hear the differences. I agree with your list. I can equate these (although slightly exaggerated) to the sound of mp3 bitrates. To my ear, FL sounded thin like 64kbps. Studio One sounds closer but less than 128kbps. Pro Tools was 256kbps and Logic 320kbps. Luna sounded like a wav file Lol. With the Luna example, I could hear the character of the microphone the most. I say that even with RUclips's compression.
@@barbarojaelimparable I think the "best" one is the one that fits you. I love the sound of Luna, but Pro Tools is "best" for me because of my workflow & needs.
Man this hurts . I am a studio one fan boy but. Luna sounds awesome, followed by logic( they sound almost similar). Studio One and pro-tools sound very similar and FL sounds awful. I may have to make that move to Luna man.🤣
Making radio pop tracks I'm used to the pro tools sound as that's what the top sellers use. I started with logic for years and thought pro tools was a huge step up in sound but it's really just different for example to my ears Luna sounds good for something mastered with more headroom like a film score but for smashing stuff for radio i need the tracks to go through pro tools at least once
I like the end results in pro tools. I tried logic but I don't like the work flow same with studio one and fl is too muddy and beginner sounding for me. Just my opinion. I have to try Luna.
never :D STUDIO ONE IS KING .... haha fun its a taste of mixing ... i think every tool is so good as the Person who sitting before it !!... God Bless u do ur thing Bro
Very good point of view, i have only one suggestion to make, if you can record in multiple Daw with their recording process type of recording not as an playback, i work as foley editor and adr for movies, ONLY in Protools, Protools stands for the best vocal recorder using its own process algorithm ONLY for sound design for Movies, and it's advantages of sync point shortcut using with tab to transient for foley's especially, Logic is the best like forever but noway for film edit... in my opinion and experiences that's the only different thing i can hear, but please add the Bitwig Daw in this crew, it's like the best Logic ever made for Windows pc :) Godd video, pleas if you can try the vocal recording as dialog with no extended recorder, but using the same mic signal directly recordin in ProTools and Apple as an dialogue take, not for muisc, or singing.... maybe you';ll hear what i hear :)
also started using Korg volca sample 2 for footsteps, that is so good combination because of the samplers hardware, with the same sound sample... it's like no way that is the same sound
Shot Out to wavy Wayne, Honestly man my Opinion I think 💭 Logic Sounds the best even better than Luna, ILL Go Luna Number 2 after that I don’t know how to Score the rest of the DAWS, There’s no real Right Answer Man Yall Stay Safe GOD BLESS EVERYBODY
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Straight ass lol
Yo bro I got hella questions about studio one
@@abdulrahmanjafri8090I use Studio One 6.5 🔥 It's amazing 💯
I pulled in dry songs and they all sound different in every daw… it’s the audio engine
Studio one did not sound as good as Protools Protools had my voice very clean and clear, but the best sound was warm and full, and altogether was Cubase… more of a bass sound… so do sound differently. Just pull in a song dry, and you’ll see.
When Luna first dropped I mentioned in the UAD forum that Luna sounded better… Wayne they clowned me in the comments. Mind you I was monitoring through my Apollo X16 and Dangerous converters… so I’m hearing it through top notch conversion. They continued to laugh at me and said there’s no difference… “it’s all one and zeros”
This confirms that I wasn’t wrong.
Crazy! Yes it´s all "ones and zeros" but if you put effects on and it sounds totally different it´s still only "ones and zeros". So that doesnt prove their point at all!
U need a hug?
They are totally right saying "one and zeros" BUT ON THE EXPORTING FILE only
What we listen is different.
I have this argument with producers all the time. DAWs don't have color. I think what people are hearing (other than placebo) is each DAW has different audio settings out the box (like the sample and bit rate). Also, when importing audio there's different settings. Not to mention, what rate was the import record in? All these play a factor. What DOES sound different However, is the built-in effects each DAW has. For me Pro tools has one of the best out the box mixing tools. Yet personally, I don't even use pro tools and i used 3rd party mixing software.
Do a null test on this RUclips audio and you'll see it for yourself, believe the test and not anyone's opinion. Doing a null test on this video will null test the daws playback against each other and not their exports.
Luna definitely sounded the best with this audio file . Bottom line you can get away with any of them but as far as quality of sound . Logic and Luna stood above the rest . Pro tools was 3rd .
What's a luna my bro?
@@jude20627 ohh ok thank you
the way I can describe luna is silky smooth and comfortable, fl studio is harsh and jumpy, logic is clean clear and smooth, studio one is good, pro tools is accurate.
I have a question, maybe you can answer it or it can be a discussion?
1. How do you deal with a potential client who wants to come to your studio But they Want to use a certain DAW (Cubase or Logic) But Your main DAW is say "protools or ableton", and it's close to a deal breaker for them, how do you deal with that?
2. How do you "sell" A potential Client/artist to book your studio? Do you have to be a "salesman" for your studio or does the gear or track record You have speaks for itself?
3. Based on a clientele that will come to you is it wise to be the studio that can record everything Or to Niche down to " I only do country" or "I only do rap" or " I only do metal "?
4. Should a studio owner or recording engineer have the knowledge to record a "rap song" or a " rock song" If they never done it before to a potential client or just wing it?
Sorry for so many questions.
Heya, speaking from experience:
1. if a studio supports only one type of DAW, then it imposes limits on how the client interoperates with that studio and its workflow. If you work on one type of DAW as a composer, and the studio uses a different one, you’ll be forced into a stem-based workflow: you’ll have to export your audio as stems to give to the studio for import, and accept stems from them to use the results.
2. Yes: the gear you have, the plugins, etc, are all part of the features of your studio. Moreover, your experience and client list are the big selling points! So you have the gear, but do you know how to use it and where’s the proof?
3. A niche allows you to focus and excel but could become the box that defines you and your work. Be wary.
4. Familiarity with a genre helps, get some experience with working with “both kinds of music: Country AND Western!” But seriously, genre-bending and eking out the best from your performers is the mark of a good producer, as distinct from an engineer whose job it is to make the best recording of a performance as possible with the tools at their disposal. They are distinct skill sets.
Hope this helps, good luck with the journey!
I use FL for making my beats and Ableton for recording. I tried to record in FL but the sound in Ableton is warmer. And the workflow in Ableton for recording feels better, like adding plugins
Use Protools for recording and mixing bro
Cubase nr1 for MIDI , Ableton for audio wave(best rack paralel efx) FOR ME!!
new logic 10.8 game changer with that mastering setup
The only difference between the DAW's specifically to the sound quality is when you import them to each DAW they have slightly vloume diference. In FL when you drop the file it' sounds a little bit louder compared to the rest, in other 4 they sound quite similler. So in FL because it's louder it gives a more high end frequency perception compared to Studio One, Pro tools, Logic Pro or Luna, which they have more warmer feeling due to the fact that they are less louder in this example. It can be other factors that can play a role like pan laws(only while mixing, panning stuffs), internal audio settings or console type simulations build in to the respective DAW. If you turn off all of the settings that makes a change and evenly match the volume of each audio file in any DAW, so they sound equally louder, then they have to sound exactly the same.
Danggg 🔥🔥🔥
And what about Reaper is also very good quality?
So could there be anything up under the hood that make them sound different? Like how they do with plugins. I’m thinking they might encode something under the hood that makes them sound different. I don’t know I’m just asking!
This is the way. There is no color in DAWs
The only difference between DAW’s when it comes to untreated sound of a wav file is In each's dither .. Pan law is usually different … A pcm wav file is a pcm wave file. Period. The daw doesn’t do extra unnecessary work to a wav file unless it’s Harrison mixbus adding Harrison emulated saturation under the hood. Harrison is for people who want that and don’t want to do the extra work or making decisions of adding saturation to everything … Null test
Yes it does very well, either the dithering or not, but have You done a personal test like this before? If yes You would know it does, but something is every DAW is good but also they have better work flow than each of them, like I mentioned in My previous conversations about a test I did with Reason And Cakewalk, I found it a bit difficult to achieve My desired mix while in Cakewalk it was just a little nub dialing to the destination, this is how everything is not until when You practice same thus in deferment DAW.
@@pro_influence I’ve tested pro tools, studio one and fl studio with the same file. No dither no processing. They nulled out against each other. The interface gives the pc zero’s and ones and the daw records them as is.
@@sickmessiah good to know this but also try this:record vocal or guitar in each of them and export each Wav but not using a recorded wav file, this can't give enough best results You want but when You record in each of the DAW and export each out, play each and listen to their deferences.
Wavy, I noticed it and that means I'm not tripping.
FL Studio was the one that sounded thinner than the rest.
Logic sounded the better for me.
Pro Tools, Studio One and Luna sounded accurate.
Logic added some texture to the mids and highs that made sound slightly more polished to my ear.
Plus, we already know how great the stock Logic Pro VI's are.
Great vid man!
I agree, Pro Tools, Studio One and Luna very similar sounding. Logic just a little more professional in sound.
I'm studio one all-day!
I did a test comparing Pro Tools and Luna, 1. No plugins 2. With Neve summing (Neve extension in Luna and UAD Neve Pre on every channel in Pro tools) 3. With Studer (Studer extension in Luna and UAD Studeron every channel in Pro tools). When phase inverted they all completely null, so if you are getting different results it only means that you are not doing the test properly.
Go make a youtube then we dont nee ypur shady input and test dont equal sound your ears do lol
@@Tristianwunder You obviously don't know me, or how much I know about the subject, but that's no reason to be an asshole. I don't feel the need to post on youtube my tests, my testimony is enough, but if (for you) it's not, I can do a video of my tests, if you are willing to pay for my time, as I am a professional who knows what he's doing (and how much my time is worth), which I suspect neither you nor the author of this video are.
I've heard the sound in all three daws and also heard finish product out in the real world and myself NO DAMN DIFFERENCE!!! Especially the average listening person listening on everyday ear bud's regular commercial headphones and audio devices.
How come I can't get no love for Mixcraft? The shit is dope bro!!!
For me; FL sounded thin, Studio One sounded cold. Logic and Pro Tools sounded similar, and Luna was the warmest.
Reaper all the way. But logic sounded the best IMO.
Yeah, I felt Logic sounded truly the best of all but Am kinda having feelings for Luna for its warm and saturated feels.
@@pro_influence I find Luna interesting as well. However, I don't have a thunderbolt compatible mac OR Apollo hardware. FL studio for producing and PT for recording vocals and mixing will remain my go to it appears.
@@commonsense5188 The Road will be opened to Your Blessings someday soon.
Studio One works super easily and the automations are just as easy to do, but it doesn't sound very good ... The moon doesn't seem out of the ordinary here. As a sound I would choose Pro Tools, it's super clean
Studio 1 was my favorite in this comparaison, it sounds the cleanest, the others seem to have some amount of noise or saturation to them
I’ve always liked the Luna sound. Pro Tools and Studio One sound pretty close. Logic always sounds awesome, even their stock sounds. They all sound pretty good though, besides FL Studio. I'm listening on my Adam Audio's.
80% of billboard music is made on fl studio😂
@@ojvic7297 yeah, the beats are, but they are all mixed down in the other DAWS. People are making banging beats on cell phones and IPads.
@@ojvic7297 the beat, not the mix or master
FL studio sounds warmer, luma sounds rounded and Studio one pro tools and logic sound similar and more natural like what u put is what u get..
First of all wayne, I want to give you much props you helped out alot with my studio. I was an avid steinberg Nuendo 4 32 bit user. People sleeping on Nuendo. It's still killing the game. I started using studio one 4 both of them are like driving cars. You can have a pinto show out. not because of the car. It's because of the driver. So, to put my two cents in. I like the sound of studio one & Luna. They both have a certain type of grit.
I use Pro tools. But from what I hear on this video, my opinion is, Luna is 1, Logic 2 and Pro tools 3! I have a question, how do you feel about using Heat in Pro tools? I like using Heat it gives some nice saturation to the mix.
I like Heat and I use it. I love its built-in and doesn't require any fuss.
What Pro Tools version do you use? In the early days, Heat was only available in the HD version.
@@nunooliveira4257 I am now using the most current version of Pro Tools Studio, I was using the HD version before. Heat is also available with this version.
Studio one I'm rocking with !!!!
Can you do more videos with studio 1 beloved
Bro. well done! but one but I felt You missed Someone and miss some test points here, first that person is Cakewalk By Bandlab which I thought it should be included in the test, I did something Personally on Cakewalk and on My Reason DAW which I'll still love You to redo Your test to get more result and to convince People more about each DAW Tone Quality and their Workflows, here is it; record a vocal on each DAW and export their RAW, 2. Equalize each audio file with a small amount of dynamic, if possible first give same settings and or mix as the as each DAW responds then export each of them and play the audio file of each DAW and now listen for comparison, that's what I did for Reason and Cakewalk. thanks for sharing this video.
Finally !! Somebody gets it. Idk y ppl keep saying daws doesn’t have a sound
I hear the difference, however, one thing to consider is that different interfaces mix differently with different DAWs. That being said there are many different combinations between interfaces and DAWs that produce different, better or worse results. I suppose if you do a very in-depth review you can take the top five interfaces and do the same comparison in a deeper way. (RME - Apollo - Etc)
Luna is number one??? I think that’s so cool. We’re always arguing about Logic and Pro Tools so this is so funny to me!! I love Logic, and I think ima stick beside it after this video. I’m so glad you did this. 🙏🏽
Logic and studio 1 sound the best and filled. FL, dry.. Luna nice but sound flat but better than FL.
Protocols pops but it doesn't cover the vocals it sound warm and bubbly and bold🔥 still nice though.
I use mixcraft but ik logic actually you can hear the mix down as you twist those nobs.
You are spot on about the “sonic blueprint” bro . I was just having this talk in a session w this artist that says he records in GarageBand…
Each daw has an input blueprint seems like
I have Protools & Logic Pro X & FL in my studio and honestly I have to say protools in my opinion sounds better an has the smoothest work flow 🤷🏻♂️
I could hear the difference through the phone so I can imagine the difference in the studio. This is great to know. 💯💯💪🏽🙏🏽
Harrison Mixbus sounds good also Samplitude engine is mean wit it
Low-Key, FL Does sound dirtier or more muffled than the others. Again it's not HUGE but I do believe I hear a slight difference.🙌
Logic sounded best to me. The most balance. Great vid 👍
Pro tools all day
Luna and Pro Tools sound the warmest to my ear. FL was lacking. Logic and Studio sound good. I believe its subjective because everyone's hearing is different and at different stages in life. Frequencies sound different to the young and old. Good vid though Wave!
Top 3
1. Logic
2. Luna
3. FL
I would like to hear an instrumental through each however
A less dynamic frequency response might actually be better for dithering and lower bitrate versions as the way most people consume music is in a low resolution form I'm for what sounds the best in the most circumstances rather than what sounds better only with certain equipment/situations
Literally watching this as I was just thinking about paying $300 for FL when I already have Logic 😂 Thanks for making me reconsider.
Do a null test with them all.
he'll never do it, he's talking emotionally. There are people who have done research on this in universities and they said that DAWS do NOT add any color and their Null Test proved it. Wayne is just talking like someone who doesn't want to be educated. He Clearly has an understanding of the creative aspect of music but 0 understanding about the science.
Now here's the question. If you record the vocals in one DAW, then bounce them down and mix them in a different DAW, will the audio blue print change? Or is that only imprinted upon recording? I'm tempted to record vocals on something else and then bring them into FL to mix, just to see what happens.
I've noticed their is a difference
Wavy you on point!!!!! I agree with your order of sound quality from each DAW,that is why I have been sticking with Logic Pro X over Pro tools to me,that is to me,it was easier to get a clearer quality sound on Logic over Pro tools for me,Pro tools is Still an Excellent DAW,but yeah wavy you right.Logic not beating Pro tools by much,but it's enough for some.
Why Cubase was not sent into the mix? Also, as a FL Studio user for over 15 years, I definitely agree that it has the worst sound engine out of all iv tried in the past but definitely the best for audio production.
Right.. I’ve used FL studio for 8 yrs.. then switched to Cubase, & found it sounded much more professional
The sound in Luna is Lush. Can’t really different the sound in other DAWs But let them work on making Luna work with other interfaces, I believe they will get more customers.
For me logic is number one. It seems to sound warmer and have a wider frequency range.
FL studio in the second spot because it has more clarity.
And frankly, clarity is what I'm looking for when I'm recording.
#3 Luna
#4 PreSonus studio
#5 pro tools.
That's just me though. Peace.
PT, LOGIC, FL, LUNA, Studio One, in my opinion
Interesting..!! So if I played a recording could you tell me which DAW I was using..? ( I would probably hear difference in various interface preamps ).
When Cubase 12 comes out without the infamous Dongle everybody will realize Cubase sounds the best, they got to best stock plugins all around
Agreed.. Cubase is 👑
A demonstration of how futile this argument is … is the sound of DAW dependent on the quality of its stock plug-ins?
Thank you for your work!
Could you please help me? We use behringer Wing > Reaper on mac > NDI audio > ProPresenter on PC to stream to RUclips.
I noticed that when I go throug that route with a recorded sound, it's much more "full" and sounds better than when we do live broadcasting.
We enforce 320 kbps in ProPresenter.
I'm thinking that when doing live recording, the quality is being "eaten" somewhere, but I don't know where? Maybe it's worth transitionin to a different DAW?
Please help! Maybe there are some other settings I should take care of?
Thank you for this video, I used to debate about this topic to my musician friends, most of them disagreed, for years I thought there was something wrong with my hearing. I've compared 6 DAWS I owned before, Pro tools, Cubase, Studio one, logic, Ableton and digital performer, although not as popular as the rest, I find DP to have the best sonic blueprint, logic comes 2nd, pro tools 3rd, it's a tie between Cubase & Studio One on the 4th and Ableton on the 5th
On your comparison, Logic wins for me
Luna 1st, Logic 2nd, I would say close between Luna and Logic, Pro Tools 3rd, Studio One 4th, FL Studio 5th
What about Harrison mixbus?
Luna sounds the best I'm dealing buying that I've been using protools for mixing over a decade now feelings hurt a lil bit but facts are facts great video
Luna's "TTake" me there was the least harsh followed by FL. I would give it to FL for the dynamics also being great on top of ridding the T harshness.
Aww man, you just a UAD fanboi...lol, jus playin... you're entitled to your opinion...love your channel Bro...
Good Video Fam!!!
I'd care more about the DAC, the room and speakers / headphones
It’s very funny how we all hear so differently. :)
My favourite in this test is Studio One - more three dimensional and headroomier than the other. I think that’s something desirable for those who mix ITB.
Next is Luna.
The other three sound a tad two dimensional (compressed) to me.
PT - a bit sterile (that’s what I’ve been using for over 20 years, btw; I recognise this sound)
FL - punchier; I can understand why hip-hop producers like it;
Logic - even punchier and mid rangy;
I would have loved if you included Cubase and Reaper here.
25 years ago I compared Cubese to Pro Tools myself, and to my disbelief back then, Cubase definitely sounded much better.
Some people swear by the sound of Samplitude.
And to just leave everyone thoroughly confused, the best sounding DAW I ever heard up to this day was Ensonic Paris, but it was tied to their own great sounding Ensonic converters, I must say.
What can you say about REAPER sound?
@@Андрюшкинс-ч8о Good question. I never used Reaper myself. I heard it in studios near by, but it wasn't enough for me to establish an opinion. That's why I said I would have liked to hear it in this comparison.
i agree, i worked 10 years in cubase, switchin to logic and the voice is far more forgrounded than in cubase. more brilliant but also not as much mysteriös :D
SOUND QUALITY was the most important factor for me:
IN RESUME BEST SOUND QUALITY PROFESSIONAL (WIDE PANORAMA, GREAT KICK)
1, ABLETON LIVE 12 (Best sound quality - awful graphic interface, awful workflow)
2. STUDIO ONE 5,5 (Great sound quality, nice interface, great workflow-My Favourite DAW
3. FL STUDIO 21 ( Very good sound quality - best transparent graphic interface & workflow)
4. FL STUDIO 20 (Good sound quality, transparent graphic interface, good workflow)
It was detailed comparison I spent months comparing sound engines.
Why would you leave Ableton Live out of this test?
OK. I've listened through each of the DAWS for the best sound quality and, I have to agree with you. Logic and luna have the best sound quality out of those 5.
For me, Pro Tools is first and Logic is a close second. Pro Tools has the best editing tools to give the music a different sound. There are so many possibilities with the workflow. The short cuts are great in Pro Tools. It's about frequencies and ear training to get the best results out of any DAW. Full Sail University, Audio Engineer Degree graduate February 5, 2021........ 😁
Yeah I’m currently using pro tools. Recorded the whole project I’m soon to release using PT’s
@@hawns5198 I love PT's. Learning about editing is a major part of finishing those projects. I do beats sometimes in Pro Tools after exporting the audio wav or mp3 files from Logic Pro. Good luck with your project ........!
bro your order is exactly how I felt. not just saying that. I got Adams t8vs. luna give the most warm feel, then logic, then protools, as fruity sounds trebley.
Ion know man. PT sounded the best for some reason.
REAPER is the best to me! Lol But Logic goes hard.
even though its 2 years later. the take for FL sounds the most warmer. Luna sounds more leveled if anything and Pro Tools sounds more like Luna. The best take in my opinion is FL.
I mean most people say converters dont sound any different either and that it doesnt make a difference and its not a noticeable difference in sound. The more i do this i just notice that most people cant hear that well lol.
Gonna be REALLLLLLLLLL honest with y'all, there is a "best DAW" in terms of opinions, but no DAW in general is "better than the other", even if this video is based on the poster's opinions on these DAW's.
All DAW's work and function differently from others, and that's a good thing because each DAW can only suit a certain amount people based on not only their experience within audio production and experience with using a DAW they used to use, but also how well they can use the DAW they're about to use and how well it functions for them. So if they're having major trouble with using the DAW itself or a certain feature/function of it, then they have the help they need available to them.
All-in-all, we gotta make the DAW's work for us. Also, how does sound play into choosing a DAW? Curious question.
I can tell the difference listening on my s20 plus phone speakers. To me luna and Harrison mix bus sound very similar ( I know that Harrison was not in the lineup.But, those who have used it know what I'm talking about. ) then logic. Studio One and Pro-tools sound very similar and they both sound very transparent. I use studio one and I like it but it tends to sound too transparent at times even when saturation is applied. I may just use studio one yo arrange and HARRISON MIXBUS to mix with.
What’s your favourite Daw Wavy ? And what do you prefer to use ?
Logic sounded the best. Pro Tools sounded the second best, though I don’t like that corporation since it’s been sold by Digi Design.
. Fruity Loops didn’t sound that good. Luna and Studio One had cut the highs, making the vocal muddy. They will all sound the same if a person knows how to eq though, and have a good mic with pre amps. Wavy can fix the mix.
Lol its not muddy its warmth
They all have a different sonic attributes, very subtle, but still noticeable.
So we just gonna forget about Ableton?
FIRST OFF IM A STUDIO ONE USER.
Protools
Logic
Luna
Studio one
FL
you should show the differences as a exported file
Luna and logic sounded the best to me for sure . I like the way protools sounds but that could be because I’m most familiar with that sound . It could be interchangeable with studio 1 for me . FL last but let’s be clear , the legend that is miss Caesar would sound good if you recorded with the microwave ! #legendarylove
What DAW do you use?!
Wavy, I hear the differences. I agree with your list. I can equate these (although slightly exaggerated) to the sound of mp3 bitrates. To my ear, FL sounded thin like 64kbps. Studio One sounds closer but less than 128kbps. Pro Tools was 256kbps and Logic 320kbps. Luna sounded like a wav file Lol. With the Luna example, I could hear the character of the microphone the most. I say that even with RUclips's compression.
And what about Reaper is also very good quality?
So what that means? Luna it’s the best one?
@@barbarojaelimparable I think the "best" one is the one that fits you. I love the sound of Luna, but Pro Tools is "best" for me because of my workflow & needs.
Luna all day!!! I DO NOT disagree. 💯
Man this hurts . I am a studio one fan boy but. Luna sounds awesome, followed by logic( they sound almost similar). Studio One and pro-tools sound very similar and FL sounds awful. I may have to make that move to Luna man.🤣
@perrykeshahwalker5321 I'm a studio one user as well and my feelings are now crushed.
I NEED CUBASE PRO IN THIS TEST! I OWN IT! FL AND STUDIO ONE PRO! THIS IS CRAZY! STUDIO ONE SOUND LIKE TAPE IT SHAVE OFF .. BUT YOUR RIGHT THOUGH!
Run that CLA-2 to get that warmer sound. Fl gang for Beats but I agree with Wavy
What interface and mic are you using with Logic Pro?
From 🥶 to 🥵 or thin to soft 1.FL 2.Studio one 3.Logic 4.Pro tools 5.Luna
Studio 1 using the CTC mix fx
🤣🤣🤣 Chicago beats sent me here! Don't under estimate the producers. I believe you
Making radio pop tracks I'm used to the pro tools sound as that's what the top sellers use. I started with logic for years and thought pro tools was a huge step up in sound but it's really just different for example to my ears Luna sounds good for something mastered with more headroom like a film score but for smashing stuff for radio i need the tracks to go through pro tools at least once
Do this test again with mixcraft 10 and some other uncommon daws. I use mixcraft and feel like it kinda hold me back at times.
I like the end results in pro tools. I tried logic but I don't like the work flow same with studio one and fl is too muddy and beginner sounding for me. Just my opinion. I have to try Luna.
And what makes the sound qualities different? And why didn't Reason make it?
never :D STUDIO ONE IS KING .... haha fun its a taste of mixing ... i think every tool is so good as the Person who sitting before it !!... God Bless u do ur thing Bro
REAPER GANG
Luna took me to church
Very good point of view, i have only one suggestion to make, if you can record in multiple Daw with their recording process type of recording not as an playback, i work as foley editor and adr for movies, ONLY in Protools, Protools stands for the best vocal recorder using its own process algorithm ONLY for sound design for Movies, and it's advantages of sync point shortcut using with tab to transient for foley's especially, Logic is the best like forever but noway for film edit... in my opinion and experiences that's the only different thing i can hear, but please add the Bitwig Daw in this crew, it's like the best Logic ever made for Windows pc :) Godd video, pleas if you can try the vocal recording as dialog with no extended recorder, but using the same mic signal directly recordin in ProTools and Apple as an dialogue take, not for muisc, or singing.... maybe you';ll hear what i hear :)
also started using Korg volca sample 2 for footsteps, that is so good combination because of the samplers hardware, with the same sound sample... it's like no way that is the same sound
Logic Luna and FL and (Studio 1 and Avid) are kinda neck and neck.
Logic has a warm sound to which means at has coloration. Ableton has a digital sound. Not to sure about Luna. Protools has a flat sound to it.
Logic & Luna baby
The only daw that actually sounds different is Mixbus 6
Shot Out to wavy Wayne, Honestly man my Opinion I think 💭 Logic Sounds the best even better than Luna, ILL Go Luna Number 2 after that I don’t know how to Score the rest of the DAWS, There’s no real Right Answer Man Yall Stay Safe GOD BLESS EVERYBODY