I'll never forget obtaining Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter from Marrowgar as a Blood DK. So hype. Now i'm using some PvP two hander that rolled stupidly high ilvl. Great.
Blizzard is slowly turning into Disney and WoW is turning into the Last Jedi. Like how Disney attacked the fans and called them the problem and claimed that last jedi has no problems at all, people who watched it are just stupid.
Unsubbed yesterday, and when he said: "I remember the items I got back in vanilla tbc, I don't remember the highest titanforge I got in in Legion". Hit me right in my heart... Good old benediction
I still remember the first time I got a piece of Tier gear from Molten Core. I could tell you the player's name's that were in the raid and what boss it dropped from.
Quel’Serrar. Doing that fucking headache of surviving Onyxia breath attack, and than after she died, hoping the sword wouldn’t despawn the body with all the loot... but walking around Ironforge with that sword, I felt like an elite amongst tanks
Oof... I can't tell which is worse. The fact that this vid is now 3 years since the time I watched it or the fact that there are people who sub to this game still thinking anything is going to change.
Yes, he’s still a loser gamer, with no real life. You freaks are worthless pieces of human excrement, you contribute, literally NOTHING actually useful for society.
I couldn't agree more... I see it as they are replacing the fun created content with RNG timewalls. I feel they believe its easier and faster to create rng timewalls as opposed to creating content that will last the same amount of time. I understand they may be frustrated that they create content and players consistently blow through it like its nothing.... but I still feel that they , the devs, are getting lazy and falling back on WQs and RNG for the "perfect" drop way too often.
Idk about other people but when ever I blew through content, I would go pvp. That is the beauty of having good pvp and good pve, if you get bored with one, you just go do the other. Just back and forth constantly.
Look at Wrath: You had emblems of Trumph, noobie farming friendly, you got decent enough gear to step into raids and you were getting some emblems of frost so even as a noobie doing dungeons, you could get a raid item eventually! SO then you're ready to play in raids because you don't suck as much due to some experience you gained... Tokens and emblem of frost from ICC, you could gradually farm your pieces, you knew how long it'll take to get pieces of your set, bravo, you go every week to get full set then get tokens in guild setting and you keep progressing to HC and get more tokens and more gear, bravo, rewarding and metered experience. No one will get all gear on day one due to BS titanforge. PVP, you get shit beaten by full wrathful gear, you grind your ass off in arena and BGs eventually you earn enough honour and rating to buy gear you want and become the holy pala that 1v5s in BG against furious geared noobs aspiring to be like YOU. Bravo, rewarding and satisfaction!
Couldn't agree with you more! Starting out getting the crap beat out of you to 1v5ing in BGs was one of the best feelings I've had in WoW. Also I will never understand why on earth they got rid of PvP vendors! I would visit the vendors so often to see what I can eventually get. I would shift, right click them to see how awesome I would look aswell lol
Yeah nowadays you farm rep and by the time you get the 350 items you have way better stuff from dungeons already and that's the only thing you can realistically farm for.
When did they get rid of Honor/Conquest vendors? I quit back in MoP and back then they were still in the game, I came back due to friends wanting me to raid in BFA, so I have no idea if it was in WoD or Legion or whenever.
This video just made me realize that I log in everyday strictly due to addiction and not due to enjoyment or fullfillment. Its a never ending cycle of "hoping it will be better."
I hate to say it but this feeling hit me towards the start of Legion, I kept playing, and kept playing, 30+ hours a week, then 20, then just raid nights, then I realised exactly how you have realised, this amazing game is not amazing anymore, its soulless
Vanilla will have a niche audience at best. People who enjoy todays games won't put up with the archaic systems in vanilla. Just look at how many threads there are about flying on the forums for proof of this.
vanilla won't be nearly as popular as people seem to think it will be, methinks . this coming from someone who played Vanilla-TBC, and tried playing on a Private Server recently.
I completely misunderstood how Azerite traits would work when I played Beta. These traits are one of the most annoying, least fulfilling, and confusing things to ever be added to the game. I hate them so, so much. I hate the fact that I need to sim every single piece I get because I legit have no idea what traits are good, but then also keep every Azerite piece I get because I don't know when Blizzard will decide that one of my traits is too OP and give it the Gladiator Warrior treatment. This is probably my least favourite thing right now when it comes to BFA, but it's not the only thing I'm not liking. Quick shout out to Warfronts and Islands for being 2 highly promoted expansion features that are actually some of the least fun content I have ever had the misfortune of experiencing.
Warfronts should have been a rotating event. darkshore should have been in the game already and darkshore shuold have been up when arathi was down for each side. I would have added a third as well outright that was exclusively a new pvp mode similar to back in wotlk large scale assault. Islands are actually.. not too bad of an idea, but I think they're not varied enough. It should have been called expeditions and not been restricted to shitbasket islands. These are the types of times they could have generated a lot of content procedurally, one of the few fucking times... and all they did was leave in this couple various scripted bullshit.
warfront is such a fraudulent experience it cannot stay like this for the rest of the expansion. Island on the other hand if they add lot more cosmetic item it "could" be worthwhile. Then again i thought terrains are auto generated like diablo 3, sadly it wasn't.
The real problem is not Azerite but the fact that this is a single expansion feature. If Blizz wanted to rebuild the system now - it would take a long time, probably around 8.3 to implement in game. By that time the exp would be almost over so there is no point in putting so much work into that. They will slap a hotfix here and there but I would not expect a major overhaul.
Yea.... 'inventory full' I was thinking oh... so they drop so often now you just leave them on the ground? Okay. Glad I'm not subbed to this dumb game.
LOL, I remember spending a month trying to get sul thraze the lasher. Getting it was so damn rewarding. Then saving up enough to buy a skull flame shield. Ah, such good gaming experiences for me. I left during cata when wotlk made epics mince meat. Plus having full ulduar 25 gear and being told gearscore wasnt high enough for toc 25, ass.
@@alexbrown2529 I was one of those lucky bastards that just found sul thraze randomly on a mob. I was more upset that even then after finding my first epic I replaced it with a blue 3 lvls later
Its not the developers. Its the game designers. The original game designers, Like Jeff Kaplan for example, who were part of the original Mike Morhaime team, are gone. Blizzard is essentially an Activision Brand now, and the game reflects that.
Developer is a blanket term that include creative leads as well as game directors. Unless you are talking about coders? But no one blames coders/programmers for the game's direction.
@someone667 there's a very distinct difference between "developer" and "people making design decisions". devs are coders... the latter is more in line with executive production. It's important to note because the DEVELOPERS are the ones who take the chance to go on social media, but end up getting flamed. executive producers are either invisible to the public, or have teams of PR staff working to protect their reputations.
@ilovedrugseveryday Mike, and Chris, and Rob Pardo (he was very open about the crap he went through prior to leaving), and the entire Wildstar team, and countless others who have since moved on.
Well you are wrong about that. Game developers are not necessarily the coders themselves. In fact, the coders generally have little to no say as to how the game turns out, other than if they claim there are limitations to things that they were suppose to be doing.
I unsubbed, thanks Asmongold. "I remember the items I got back in vanilla tbc, I don't remember the highest titanforge I got in in Legion" got me right there.
I spent the last few months of Legion purely doing gold making. About a month from BFA I bought a three month subscription, leveled one alt up in BFA, then stopped. It's just not fun. No classes I played, and I have all but three at 110, felt good. They all feel shit.
Very true. I think Blizzard could do some really awe-inspiring things but the SUITS -- the businessmen -- are keeping them down; limiting more than just the budget.
I loved WoW when your character were nobody in Azeroth. Players were bunch of people who just went raiding or doing quest. Now, every player is a "Champion" the savior of Alliance or Horde. It breaks the immersion of the whole world which i fell love in a first place. I really liked how Kalimdor and Eastern kingdoms felt a huge world back then. Feeling that you just were one of the civilian who tried to become one of the powerfull person in Azeroth like Arthas, Jaina, Thrall or Muradin. One of the big things were socializing in the Chat. You have to communicate with people to actually achieve something. I think that was the gamechanger i MMORPG games in the first place. Now you just que in a random dungeon teleporting instantly to the dungeon. Everyone knows their role and no-one speaks a word while running the dungeon unless tank or healer fucks up. I've played the new expansion and i agree with you. It's not the same unique game anymore. Im sorry for my english, it's not my native language. :(
I totally agree with you. So much games now days try to lure you in with the you-are-hero crap. Too much of it brings a hero-crissis. Where the players feel like they are too powerfull and nothing else is improtant anymore. Everything loses its value and the heroes fall into the in-game depression.
To some extent the player has earned respect from the game itself. The player at high levels into the game has proven they are powerful and competent. By doing quests they have solved hundreds if not thousands of (sometimes) dire issues in the world. By the time you hit level 70 you have accomplished more than Jaina Thrall and Muradin combined.
@@ebolachanislove6072 Indeed! And that max level was really hard to achieve in the first place. I remember when i saw lvl 60 max players and admire them how much they have put effort to reach max level. Nowdays you can buy max level and heirlooms to boost your xp gain.
I began WoW on vanilla, stopped on WOTLK. And years after I stopped this game that gave me so much fun, and love for the adventure I was living, I tried BFA. And I absolutely agree with what you are saying. 100% My thoughts. There is no communication, you're not living the thrilling adventure you were living back when the game was actually difficult. When taking on a dungeon meant putting a team together, which took time, and being solid together. Communcating and living this adventure together. Grow together. Its ALL gone.
@@Matthiaslipknot For me that died in MoP. (Huh so did the story come to think of it.) I did my first dungeon as a tank and everything in the dungeon was being one shot by our hunter faster than I could charge to it. Then I tried an LFR run and the first boss was killed by the party before I (the tank) loaded into the instance.
we all do but its never enough we always want more its never enough we want to be kids again and start new characters on private servers but its never enough its doesn't feel the same we always want more
I just cancelled my sub. Something that I never felt like doing in Legion. They don't even make you go through the process to give feedback on your reason for cancelling your subscription. I clicked "Cancel Subscription" it threw up a box and asked me if I was sure and then nothing after I clicked yes. It just cancel is without any boxes or ticks to check to explain my reason. They just don't care anymore apparently
I also unsubbed and I thought it had bugged out when I did it because I remember that there was a "tell us why" part to canceling your sub in the past and this time I didn't see anything of the sort. Honestly it made me feel like they didn't care if I subbed or canceled.
@@skannerz22 Eh. I'm just not having fun with WoW in BFA so I'm not going to pay for it. I've hardly logged in in 2 weeks and dont really have much desire to anymore. So I'll save the 15 bucks and spend it elsewhere. It's not a matter of being weak as much as it is the game not being worth my 15 bucks
If it's useless feedback, that's because of the mechanisms they had allowed it to collect. Any input from an unhappy customer, especially systematic and quantifiable, is always useful. They could have defined a few things they were interested in, even. "Did you quit because you were unhappy with the game? Y/N" Even that simple of a question, over years, can let you know if more players are happy or not relative to the population.
I would rather grind boars in Elwynn Forest as a warrior in Vanilla than run around doing world quests in BFA. Doing world quests feels WAY more 'grindy' as well as boring and unfulfilling. The game play you have shown in this video emphasizes another reason why I feel BFA (and previous expansions) are bad - you don't have to focus or think about anything (eg. health, mana, etc). Just go gather up a bunch of mobs, roll your face over your keyboard, and you will kill them all. No thrill or challenge. No fear or possibly of dying and suffering the consequences. It's just shit. Like many people I have loved this game for 13+ years, but I have to be honest and say since Cata the game has worsened continually. I remember the hate towards MOP but compared to Legion and BFA, MOP was a masterpiece.
@@DarkRavin07 so then dont farm it idiot. Once your neck hits lvl 23 you literally dont need to farm anymore AP.. and its not hard at all anymore to hit lvl 23 cause the ap reduction. Stop complaining about content you think you HAVE to do when you really dont
@@DarkRavin07 the game is just a diablo copy paste. Its funny how years ago I was calling this game world of diablo because the hack n slash aspect of the game (basically every piece of relevant content is about killing everything in your path to collect loot) was so strong but now its literally diablo mmo version
nipa 101 no this is Activision. Blizzard had always been about what is the best experience for the players... and I’m talking about all their games in the late 90’s to the early 2000’s. It is why they had become titans in the industry . This incarnation of Blizzard is about spreadsheets and graphs. They could salvage WoW this very moment. They could change and fix all the issues the game has... but... that would go outside of their charts and projected precious budget, and the Lords of Greed sitting on their thrones in Activision would never be happy about going outside of their profits. Play Destiny 2, it’s very eerie similar how the games are alike now
Sums up my views as well. Since WoD, I've known, even when I want to try it again, I cannot trust blizzard to not take a bunch of money and then leave me with nothing to do after a single month.
No worries, it is just a bunch of useless crybabies that cannot do anything but state their worthless opinion because they are not having fun anymore. The game is just fine, you are welcome to join.
I just want normal loot back. I want vendors back, I want to be able to reforge my gear so when I get a trash piece it can become not as trash. That's all I want.
@@Hazelnaria i still dont understand how people can complain about mop. In my eyes mop felt like the last complete expansion. The balancing was great, awesome pve content, everyone had different professions (not alchemy bc the rest is useless), very less bugs compared to legion, big graphic improvement, i play since classic and i never missed out an expansion and i never had so much fun like in mop. Wod was clearly the shittiest expansion. I also think legion wasnt that shit at all. I had much fun in pve (first time in my life bc i had no fun anymore in pvp due to unbalanced classes). Ofc many things should have been improvement. But many good things came into game. Magetower challange, artefactskins, mythic +, orderhall with their awesome class questlines for all classes and i enjoyed them all.
Not wrong about loot. I still to this day remember all the items, even the shit ones I got and used. I started as a Ret Paladin in Wrath. My very first epic 2H was the Titansteel Destroyer that you could craft with blacksmithing. I was beyond ecstatic when I got this item, even though it was only a crafted and basically garbage. I then ended up running Utgarde Pinnacle on Heroic everyday until the Red Sword of Courage dropped off of King Ymiron. A tanking 1H Sword! Then from that point I main tanked all the rest of Wrath. My first big tank weapon drop was from Naxxramas 25, which was none other than Last Laugh 1H tank axe off of KT. I remember for a shield I had The Skull of Ruin from Naxxramas 10. I literally had this shield all the way until TOGC launched because I couldn't get anything else to drop. At the time I hated this shield because I felt like it was the bane of my existence. Now I wish I had it back. It's sad though. I main a SV Hunter currently. I have a 380 2H Polearm that I got out of my +10 cache. I have no clue what it's even called and didn't even feel great about getting it. I just RNG'd a weapon and hardly worked for it. Amazing how a mythic raid tier level weapon doesn't excite me in the slightest compared to how a Heroic Dungeon 1H did in Wrath.
I relate to the final paragraph on a spiritual level. I'm a Beast Mastery Hunter with a 370 G'huun gun that I got out of the 4 Mythics Weekly Quest Cache a few weeks ago. I have no idea what the thing is called, and I was only slightly happy when I got it. My reaction was more like "Oh, nice." relief that I won the game-of-chance while some of my friends didn't. There was no genuine feeling of reward, something I haven't felt for any of my loot in BFA. My only pieces of gear that I even know the name of are my trinkets: Lustrous Golden Plumage (is that even right?), and Harlan's Loaded Dice. I want the feeling back of hunting for your gear and being rewarded for pursuing it.
Similar story, I FARMED AND FARMED to upgrade my mace back in BC to be able to stun fuckers and own in arenas. You used to WORK for gear in the mmo and be rewarded for your efforts, and it wasn't shortlived. People respected the grind, now no one gives a fuck. The game has become profit and not enjoyment. Small dopamine hits rather than hard work and the payoff you get from the hard work.
If you think Blizzards communication is bad as a US player try being an EU one, I have been playing since BC and can honestly say i have never seen a Dev post directly to the EU forums or join in any conversations.. The only Dev posts we get are copy/pasted over from the US forums by a CM.
johnyfartpants I mean in fairness the guys work in California. Sure they could assign a 3rd shift crew to cater for EU needs. Guessing they could never justify the manpower to their bosses to help you guys out. I mean Christ even East coast players like myself got screwed from patches in the past. I remember the Black temple patch wasn’t ready intill 10pm Tuesday night.
Totally agree, and surely we are reaching a time where there shouldn't even be different regions for the clients and maybe even one joined up realm? Eve-Online has had one server network to cover the whole globe for well over a decade? When you look at how dead most realms are nowadays i'm pretty sure this could be done for WoW?
This game went to shit many xpacs ago, there was nothing like swimming across the lake from Elwynn Forrest to Darkshire and being mauled apart by lvl 20 wolves (skulls when you're like lvl 6 or so). The little things like this, the sense of exploration and atmosphere have gone and Blizzard can never get that back. #RIP WoW
I believe that youre wrong. The game can recover. Just change the game next xpac. Make it bard. Make it fulfilling. If they start a new thing rather than followinv the last 5 xpacs it will get better, even back to vanilla.
I mean is there anything NEW besides you know the zones you wont ever visit after getting exalted, except killing the world boss maybe once a week... The warfront which is shit, the island expedition which is shit.. Is there really anything new? Raids aren't a new concept, dungeons aren't a new concept, mythic + isn't a new concept, world quests isn't a new concept, the lore feels..just weird, I still hate the fucking horses. Incursions or however that's spelled that is coming up is just Legion invasions and nothing new.. Is there really something truly new like the warfront and island expedition in this expansion.. That's actually fun to do? No, the two CORE NEW stuff that they put out are both fucking horrendous, not fun and just truly garbage. And Blizzard wont change a thing about them since they're a bunch of delusional degens.
Thank you Asmongold for your in-depth analysis and insight always appreciated. it’s sad to see World of Warcraft in this state and honestly I’m glad I avoided this expansion. all we can hope for now is a good classic hopefully blizzard doesn’t fuck that up
-implying Activision blizzard will not fuck classic up with level 60 boosts and paid loot crates with a .05% chance to drop [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
i really hate, when the hater post a trash comment: "wow is trash", etc, and blizz tell him, tell me more about your problem or be more specific, but when the real players make contructive feedback about the game, blizzard dont give a shit about our opinión...
It's PR. It's to put a damper on negative feedback. They have no intention to listen. They just want for the responses to be more positive in case Daddyvision or stockholders take a look. There is nothing to be confused about. They are bottom tier developers with bottom tier mods, making a bottom tier game with bottom tier communication and trying to milk as much profit as possible with as little effort as possible. tldr; corporate world
I remember how I started playing wow when Zul'Gurub was added in vanilla WoW, and how I thought their gear and mounts looked amazing. Those were the good ol' days.
My main problem is game is flagged as mmorpg and after 12 years playing it feals more and more like mmoarcade ... they removed proper skills after wotlk .. they removed hit skills and defense and weapon skills .... they removed resistance ... spell ranks ... like from expansion to expansion they just removing and removing staff what makes any good rpg actually rpg + all the problems you mention ... its sad that in 2018 i often log to kronos vanilla server and actually have more fun then in proper wow
the end of the true RPG aspect was when dodge, parry and spirit where all removed as actualy optainable stats infasvour of Versastiliy, reforging along qwith these stats gave players a choice in how they play
Legendary video right here. I remember that this was the first Asmongold video I watched 2 years ago and I had never even played WoW ever. When I think about it I don't even know why the fuck I watched this video but man... I'm glad I did. Love you Asmon.
"I took that failed test with a smile cos I knew later that day I was going home to buy my Season 4 Mace". This is the story of my twenties. Except substitute failed tests for suck-ass days at work.
I mean leveling in a completely new expansion knowing you won't get any new exciting abilities for your class sucks. Knowing what awaits you at 120 is farming world quests over and over sucks. Playing classes that are so slow, clunky and a lot weaker than before sucks. Knowing Blizzard doesn't care what people want but just want to do whatever they want sucks. I'm done with WoW.
@@EE-wu7kz daily quests weren't essential though. I mean i only did dailies for either rep in wotlk for the enchantments or in TBC to get gold in isle of quel'danas (dont remember the exact name). WQ now are essential to progression and they just suck. Even in Legion after some time people were done with them. Personally i am quitting BFA aswell. Even in WoD i had more fun especially for the first 2-3 months and in BRF (it was awesome). Also fury warrior with 1handed weapons was a thing
In what way are world quests essential to the game if not to get rep? If you don't care about rep you could skip world quests completely. I agree WoD was actually pretty good the first 1-2 months of the game.
Main war campaing is based on 7th legion / horde part reputation. Patchfinder similarily. The main EQ piece (neck) ilvl is mostly boosted by getting rep with Bronzebeard faction which can only be gotten by farming world quests. The whole "artifact power" is in big part connected to world quests, because other options of getting it are usually mindless grinding stuff. All in all, world quests were always quite boring. In Legion though, they gave you atleast a small amount of thrill, while now they are just simply a chore. Its like its Legion 0.5 for the BFA, not only in World quests, but also in other things.
Battle for Azeroth feels like it's the last straw for the playerbase. Blizzard saw that people were playing for hours on end farming old mounts and decided to make that RNG element a very prevalent part of current content to extend play time. The time-gating is also terrible. Oh, you want Dark Iron Dwarves? Just do every single 7th Legion World Quest for a couple of weeks. Make sure you do every single one to improve your rep yield. Then level it up without level boosting over the next few weeks to get that sweet heritage armour. Everyone's already levelled up their allied races and got the armour? Slap some heritage armour on old races, that way we can extend play time for players that haven't levelled those races before. Azerite Armour is a complete mess. I might as well not be wearing a Heart of Azeroth because it has nothing to do with anything, it might as well just be in my bag and I wear a necklace, in fact I'd rather that. Artifact Weapons were a stroke of genius and they felt good because Artifact Power was a currency, not another arbitrary level number (even though the weapons did have that as well). Azerite would work as a currency, in that when you had enough you could buy another trait for your armour. There is a problem with there being no vendors, and there is a problem with reputations, and there is a problem with Island Expeditions. Have Island Expeditions give you 7th Legion/Honourbound rep, armour and weapons from rarer enemies (Azerite Armour if you're lucky, which I believe is the threshold at which RNG should end) and "Great Sea Coins" (or something). You can go to a vendor with Great Sea Coins to buy chunks of Azerite, reputation for all of your faction's reputations and, for a lot of coins, some of the best weapons in the game but these should be really expensive. This gives 7th Legion/ Honourbound a repeatable way of gaining reputation and also gives you insentive to do Island Expeditions that isn't just Azerite. The fact that Island Expeditions didn't yield any reputation was an enormous oversight, it feels like they were made for that. I think Warfronts are fine, everyone overhyped them because they thought Warfronts would kind of fix the game but we were disappointed, doesn't make them bad just makes them underwhelming. What I would say, however, is that there is a problem with activity in the rest of the world besides Kul'Tiras and Zandalar. Make killing enemies in the open world besides current content give you "Warlord of [insert name of continent] Points" (or something). Getting "Warlord of The Eastern Kingdoms Points" will let you buy rewards from vendors and get you "Slayer of the Eastern Kingdoms" title, and it would be the same for Kalimdor, Northrend, Pandaria, Outland, Draenor and the Broken Isles. And people would be doing this for years to come, people three expansions from now could say "I haven't done the Slayer of Northrend title yet I should try and go for that sounds like a grind but it'll be worth it for the title". Removing Tier Sets was a complete joke and G'huun should have dropped the Blood Tic mount. I liked the idea of a title for being one of the first to kill G'huun Mythic on your server, they should have had it for Mythic Dungeon final bosses as well, the more the merrier and it won't hurt anybody. Also I'm a huge advocate of trash and bosses in raids dropping tokens (maybe "Blood Tokens" or something in Uldir") that, if nothing drops for you, you can go away afterwards to a vendor and still get a weapon or some armour or something. World Quests should be for farming end-game Azerite Armour (up until heroic/mythic dungeons and raiding), Azerite and getting EXTRA rep, they shouldn't be the main way players get rep for fucks sake. Also there should be PvP World Quests, like kill enemies in this zone or in this area. And World Quests should give a currency that you can go to a vendor and buy weapons with. Is it even worth talking about professions? Just make them completely cosmetic. "I'm gonna go into Leatherworking so I can get the toy that puts a tent down" or "I'm gonna go into engineering so I can get that robot cat mount" or "I'm gonna go into Jewelcrafting so I can get that elemental companion" or "I'm gonna go into alchemy so I can craft that potion that makes me look like a leper gnome". Stop trying to make professions relevant content, it doesn't work. They should be cosmetic only. If you want to make it relevant make it an option for me to craft certain tokens that I can vendor for phat lootz. I'm so disappointed. Maybe my suggestions are dogshit, I get that, but at the end of the day I'd be happier with any of that than what we got. I'm just not happy with BfA whatsoever and valid criticism and discussion seems to be a thing of the past for Blizzard. It makes me so sad.
Professions should be a way to empower your character. I think its okay with alchemy, but other prifessions suck Like create a crafting gear so it will be bis pre-raid and after with reagents from raid! This couldnt be accomplished because of how whole system with keys and titanforging works - i didnt want to go for leatherworking to craft 380 gear because i knew i could get it in keys and guess what? Yeah, both craft slots are 385 mythic 10 titanforged. The system sucks
kyoshee Professions are a relic from an age long passed. They used to be incredibly helpful but they've trickled down into redundancy. The only things we really care about from professions any more are the toys, mounts and pets (besides some flasks from alchemy, you're absolutely right about alchemy, alchemy's great, we love alchemy, alchemy alchemy alchemy, it's a god-tier profession). I think to modernise professions all they can do is make the system revolve around cosmetics, but each to their own I suppose.
@@Healthtymento If Blizz wants to work with THIS system then yeah, you got the point. But i really like to see that "relics from an age long passed" shine bright again. The problem is system needs to be reworked completely...
Played heavily since TBC with a few small breaks in between. But this BFA, after I hit 120, I started doing some dungeons, some wq, then one week later I'm on a flightpath in between wqs, realise, not this shit again, alt+f4'd and never came back. You are absolutely right developers are out of touch, so many small things that make the whole annoying...
I last played during TBC many years ago. I miss playing a lot, the pvp was epic. I am honestly tempted to play the newest expansion very casually. How do things compare to back then?
@@breadcat6454 dont do it i quit mid WOTLK came back to BFA release, hit 120 tried pvp 10min ques no thx and the lvling scaling bs ruins pvp horrifically. Just a warning. Game has been butchered
This happens with any creative industry. The talent and soul is sucked out by sales and marketing types and high-brown 'educated' developers that focus more on pushing boundaries and reinventing the wheel than providing players with what they want. EVE Online has an elected CSM that acts as a medium between the developers and the community. Maybe WoW would benefit from something like this.
Truth be told, the Blizzard that made warcraft 3, Vanilla WoW and WotLK has veen ship of theseus'd into oblivion. Few if any of the original developers still work on it today, and from those that do even fewer have any sway in the direction the game follows...
And that's why Eve is the best mmorpg ever created, eventho i just dont have time to play it and also my friends don't play it so.. Eve ain't that fun without friends. I'm not biased either, ive played both mmorpgs... wow vanilla,bc,wotlk eve - ~2008-2013 difference between eve and wow... Eve constantly and linearly grow and get better with every single update , wow is like a mentally unstable wife I think there hasn't been a single patch/expansion in Eve wich wasn't wanted by the playerbase... (ok there's one.. captains headquarters, noone actually cared or wanted it... :D )
Personaly, on the randomness of drops to keep the player playing, I felt that coming way earlier, with the introduction of daily/weekly quests. Instead of playing as much as you want to get your stuff as soon as you can. You were stopped in your progression by some arbitrary limit, so you don't play too much. That moment I had to log every day/week, instead of playing as I wanted. The game started to feel like the hamster wheel. I wasn't rewarded for playing the game, I was rewarded for attending the game.
You're a fuckin' seer! Daily quests came out way back in Burning Crusade (iirc) and you saw titanforging/randomness on gear coming all the way back then?? You should be a professional gambler, you soothsayer!
I'm talking about the mechanisms to keep the player to log in the game. How those mechanisms, in my opinion, were introduced with daily/weekly quests. Like the randomness described by Asmongold, daily/weekly quests, doesn't reward the player playing the game, but the player logging in every day/week.
In the end, weekly and daily quests aren't a bad thing. It's having supplemental content around those quests. You want to do them when you first login because it's rewarding, but you need more than that. My main gripe with Destiny 2 is that, even now, daily and weekly things are the only thing you login to. You need things to grind for.. things to make you want to keep coming back when you're at work or school. When you've finished all of your timed stuff, then what?
MMO right now is to rush max level, grind gear, repeat next expansion. There is no sense of adventure and escapism which is what every game is all about. The real charm of vanilla is being able to explore the unknown, discovering stuff of legends and myths. Following the lore, hoping to discover something no one has ever seen before. People FEEL the value of their achievements though discovery, like legendary gear and new spells. This is the reason MMO is dying. Everything right now has no value. All you need to do is repeat the same exact thing till you get what you want. You get everything through repetition. The difference of the best from the not, is how much grind they do.
Don't forget the wonders of looking at the landscape while taking a simple stroll through the maps and the excitement we had during those hours as a noob before we got those things called mounts ^^ loved those days
@@AflipKID91 The world in every MMO are huge but it's not possible to appreciate it anymore, nor will we feel the sense of adventure.The world is NOT necessary anymore, and we are focused on reaching max level to do max level raid. I don't mind mounts as long as the sense of adventure exist. Which it does not anymore, cause mounts are there so we can level faster and reach max level to do max level stuff. Story/Lore itself is NOT necessary cause our sense of accomplishment is having BiS Gear, not really the excitement of beating evil and saving the world. We do NOT feel accomplished by bringing peace back to the world, but rather by getting the best Items through repetitions. Remember when the 1st legendary dropped? Remember when the 1st raid was beaten? it become a world wide news that made everyone feels all sorts of emotions. How do you feel getting legendaries now? or artifacts which is meant to be the best lorewise? None. Zero feelings, Zero sense of accomplishment cause every player will get it in a month.
Same, I even had more fun with wod. I did +10 the week it was possible and kept doing +10 and never got the loot I was there for, meanwhile I was getting links of titanforged socketed weapons/trinkets better than base +10 drops from m0. I don't want to play lottery game, I want hard earned epic phat loot that took weeks or even months to achieve so I can wave my big epen in town. I miss meaningful stats, bis lists etc. It's fine if your mastery sucks you're not supposed to wear everything just because it has higher ilvl or gearing isn't meaningful.
I'm going to be honest. I have purchased BFA, re-made my troll hunter which I was really looking forward to. I logged on, was introduced to this tutorial on how to play survival in baby steps, logged off. I waited for a couple of weeks to keep an eye on the state of the game and uhh. Let's just say I have about 3-5 minutes in BFA, have cancelled my subscription and haven't looked back. This is the only time in Blizzard history which I have not attempted one of their games... I will be re-subbing for classic WoW 100% though.. lol
A wow expansion is nowhere near a complete different game so don’t worry if you play everything else you can still say you played all of blizzards games
Flaming Galaxy - Osu, Binding of Isaac & More! In classic, bc, wotlk, cata it wasn’t. Mist started the whole ‘no child left behind’ mentality. Mist was fun don’t get me wrong I loved it, but the system they introduced hurt wow big time.
@@fredrick1176 Im not sure if we are talking about the same thing. I'm referring to what Damn Surfer said. In games like destiny, they don't give you a catch up mechanism if you didn't play the expansion. With the way they have it now, I was able to play legion in the last month and I was able to catch up enough to people that I wasn't super far behind for BFA. If they didn't have this system, I would be forced to play legion by myself slowly until I was high enough to finally play BFA.
Wow died when i stopped being able to tell how good a character was just by the gear it is wearing, e.g. not the skill but the performance based on how much effort they were willing to put in
@@cyberstonks not even mmo, sharding removed the "massive multi online", and when you actually have a lot of people the server lag and you cant fight properly.
Gonna toss in my 2 cents here even though its probably never going to be read. The other problem with RNG and basically everyone having the same gear is that there is no reason not to quit/take a break. If you stop playing right this second, you can come back in 2 months or whatever and catch right back up with everyone who has been playing the whole time. After a week or even a few days back you can get your ilevel back to about where 70-80% of people are, then after another week or so (RNG willing) can get it back up to where 90-95% of people's ilevel is at. And the flip side of that coin is that the only reward you can possibly get for keeping playing, is a few more titan/warforged items which have stats that have been substantially nerfed for BFA. Is it really worth playing for months doing the same thing over and over to get a tiny, tiny benefit? There are rapidly diminishing returns for investing more time in the game. When I played during Burning Crusade and WOTLK, I capped every currency, did every raid lockout. After a little while, there was no way a new player could just walk in to a raid and heal as much as me because I had been rewarded for my dedication. That is no longer the case. People can just spam world quests and warfront and get gear just as good as the vast majority of players. And now I have quit until I feel like playing again since there is no incentive or reward for playing over a long period of time anymore.
I think your answer is the answer to why blizzard is doing all this. They want to promote the casual play style. Much more money is to be made there. I feel sorry for the top x% playerbase, but you are not the target players for the devs (anymore).
@@Xorgye The problem with blizz catering to casuals is that they are casual. If blizz releases a product that sucks they will without a doubt leave in droves. Blizzard/Activision has catered to them because they want to make more money. If they can get more money from casuals through microtransactions, and have less subs then they are ok with that obviously. The problem is that it's like walking on a tightrope for them. If they continue to release terrible content. They will have the long time player leave, and the casuals which will severely hurt wow. Which I believe from everything I have seen recently is happening right now. They are trying to fix things, but it's like they are putting a bandaid on a cut off limb.
John people like asmongold are horrible with the gutter-speak they use. WoW is not a Skinner box or gambling.. bosses have always been “like” a slot machine.. this whole argument is stupid
@@elizabethlea27 I admit the game is a juggle to play. You have to carefully pick the tings to do, because if you follow the main road you get frustrated very quickly. I love doing old content, achievements, pet battles... and in between I run the main content. But for a max of 2 hours because after that it gets repetitive and that isn't worth my time.
The badge/emblem system wasn't too bad, but I didn't like how it made earlier raids in an expansion more and more irrelevant over time. Also there was literally absolutely nothing wrong with the honor point system.
I quit early september and now im just wating for classic.... i hope classic gets more popular than the live servers so they see people liked the old systems and old game
It won't be a "fart in the wind". There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who have been playing Vanilla private servers since the inception of them. There is a very good chance that vanilla will have more people playing than retail.
i would play choose Vanilla wow over BFA. I liked the old talent systems liked how the classes were made even tho it was very consuming but you got a reward for it not just sometihng you can do in matter of 30 mins the memories you'll get from leveling from 1-60 back then took months and i really loved that part of the game or heck even getting your first mount feels rewarding after you've spend so many hours / days to farm the gold for it
It made me sad as fuck to see the game I love and that I grew up with break down. I met my best reallife friends literally fuckin bloodbrothers over a discussion about WoW in a beverage store over 15 years ago. Let me tell you something. Nobody is talking about WoW in beverage stores anymore. (EDIT: okay guys I didnt really cry but it made me feel fuckin sad I wanted to emphasize it calm down it was very late xD) (EDIT2: I later met another reallife friend during Darkshore leveling, which is impossible now thanks to crossrealms.)
He cried because of the deterioration of the game and what the game meant to him growing up, as it helped introduce him to what are now his best friends. Just because he gave us a backstory and it holds sentimental value for him doesn't change the fact he fucking cried over a video game. I hope you're just baiting me right now, because you sound pretty stupid. On a side note, imagine naming yourself tfw suicidal with that edgelord picture. Imagine being that attention seeking in youtube comments. Yikes.
Been playing wow since it came out and was amazed about how big it was and everything you did was adventure. Back than Blizzard treated this game like it was their own child in my opinion it seems after Cataclysm they slowly distanced themselves away till not even them can recognize it. Horrible to see something you love crash an burn but still to early to tell with us only about to be in 8.1 and assuming it goes to 8.4. Pray that the game will find some salvation and bring back the flame of love the players had for this game.
Here's the issue. If I quit now, and then play again in 6 months, I'll be caught up to where active players are within a week. Oh that's fun... Classic is gonna be huge, I can't wait. I'd rather spend months trying to get to 60 having to eat every pull dying over and over than pull a lever for gear some more.
Yes this is true. In Legion i quit during EN and came back for Antorus and was 960 due to catch up mechanics in two weeks while all these other people at 960 were grinding their fingers to the bone prior to that.
Lineage 2 released a *Classic* Version 2 weeks ago after 14 years as well.While the retail official server had hardly 5000 people total the classic server got 30.000 people back in the game from pure hype.So yeh judging from that i know that when Wow hits classic,it will draw SO MANY people, it may even make retail people angry
I felt this on the other end. While I was being active every patch and grinded so much for the end game gear, some dudes in the guild came back after months of being offline and had almost gained -20 my ilvl within a week or 2 of playing on evenings :/ It doesnt feel worth it to be elitist and to grind since some random noob you carry in a mythic+ might get a friggin titanforged item thats better than yours, teh carrier. It's so bad that it makes me laugh, ridiculous system.
Rangomal Vloudas Why would it make retail players angry? The only situation I can see it making them angry is if the more fanatical fanboy's see just how wrong the dev's are and that wont even matter because they will just go back to saying blizzard is perfect despite everything proving them wrong.
This is easy to say when the vast majority of WoW's lifespan is in a post-Activision merger environment. The merge happened in mid-2007. Everything from Zul'Aman onwards was made with Activision having merged with Blizzard. Sunwell Plateau, Ulduar, ICC, etc. Bad patches, great patches, and everything in-between. I think it's ridiculously naive to blame a bad expansion in 2014. or 2018 on a company decision made in... 2007. A decision that didn't even give Activision any authority over Blizzard's game development (hence MERGE not ACQUIRE). People need to face the fact that it's really Blizzard themselves that are fucking up; not anyone else's fault.
Jep, wrath had the first store mount exactly 1,5 years after Blizz got bought out! Yes Blizz got bought!! The only reason the name is ActivisionBlizzard is for the reputation and nothing else. If this was Activition buying any other studio there wouldn´t have been a name change!
As a game designer, it infuriates me when people make arguments like: "This is just what happens with games like these..." It's flat-out wrong and intellectually lazy. The reason the game is the way it is is that someone designed it to be that way. Of course, players can have their own narrative and improvise off the system, but the system will ultimately dictate all possible experiences that occur within it. The true crime is that Blizzard has made over ten billion dollars in revenue from WoW alone and somehow manages to fuck things up still. $10,000,000,000 for just ONE of their games. They have the money to make and do whatever the hell they want. Why not be consistent? Why fuck things up? Look at what Runescape has done by streamlining player feedback into the games development process. Basically, nothing new gets made or changed in that game without solid feedback from the people actually playing it. Blizzard could easily design a system like this, and even make it mountains better with their experience and unending resources. It's just a real shame and total waste. Why would you want these things rattling around in your companies legacy when you can afford to always be the best.
As someone who quit wow after Cata and is now playing Osrs... The voting system is OS really gives the players the feeling its "our" game, and honestly being respected for your opinion creates a sense of loyalty to the game and the developers. Wow could learn a thing or two from the small company Jagex
@@nepenthesspectabilis1907 Honestly, they really could. Blizzard has a "we know what's best." problem, which coupled with the Activision takeover gives you a recipe for bad company culture and evolution.
YES I totally agree with you! This is not about “oh no one plays MMO’s these days. The fuck??? Look at Runescape. That game has been alive for more than a decade, it’s been popular and respected for almost 17 years. Runescape has never truly fallen out of favour; even with RS3. Blizzard should take a leaf (or many, preferably) out of Jagex’s book. Corporatism fucking sucks and should never never be mixed in with art. Profit kills creativity and WoW is a prime example of that. I played back in BC. I’ve played on and off for ages and each time I come back i genuinely become depressed at how everything is just LFR grind til max level then more meaningless grind for RNG. There is no sense of fulfilment and achievement anymore. “Hardcore” neckbeard sort of players was what truly made the game great. Blizzard should stop catering to casual noobs that don’t even care for the game or it’s mechanics.
it's dem shareholders bro. The gaming industry is becoming more and more like every other industry, beholden to greedy shareholders who don't care a jot for customer satisfaction. Profit is king.
Yeah, Activision acquired Blizzard 10 years ago, and with WotLK (despite being a popular expansion) the problems already started to show, when WotLK was rushed to some degree (no Azjol Nerub expansion, no Gundrak raid, all raids except Ulduar and ICC had either an extremely lackluster design or had been recycled outright).
Before I used to think that was load of bullshit. But now I'm not so sure anymore. With all these dopamine-filled RNG systems it wouldn't surprise me that Activision has taken over completely.
Hey guys pss.. Do you want to know how to act upon such behavior ? That is the secret that is kept in the Buddist temple somewhere in Tibet, and I saw it when I was high af from eating too much Avocado... but fuck the backstory, I will tell you the secret on how to save WoW from falling into the pit, ok, hear me out because I will not repeat myself as Avocado slowly loads back into my psyche: JUST DONT PLAY THE GAME AND QUIT SUBSCRIPTION. Ya, exactly, crazy idea right ? How you want to to wake up lunatic ? By looking at him and asking what is going on ? OR BY SLAPPING HIS FACE with an open palm? Look, that is the next crazy Idea that I saw in dream (this time It was Mango instead of Avacado, you know Mango got much better CEV's than Avacdo). IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GAME, AND YOU CONTINUOUSLY ARE PAYING FOR IT, YOU CAN CONGRATULATE YOURSELF because you are the very reason why this game stopped being fun anymore. And ya boi Asmon is telling 100% truth, and ya all know it, and ya all are ignored since Warlords of Dreanor, and ya all will be still ignored, because players never seem to understand how much they can change by stopping supporting their banks account. Big companies doesn't look at forums, that are looking at Bank account balance, and if they see increase or at least resonable income, than they think that people seem to like being ignored, and thus why they will keep doin that. Look at Path of Exile, and how developers are active among community, and how they talk with the community on streams, and how they care about our feedback, and even recently, they bring to life a Path of Exile community memes to existence. Its pretty good to be playing this game you know, I feel, like a developer is actually devoted into his piece of code. Ya, I recommend you to check that out, but be careful, you may be overwhelmed by the fact of how active people are here on global chat, and how ONLINE you can feel by playing this game, because for me, World of Warcraft stopped being Online game, because nobody is talking on chat, nobody is goofing around, nobody is taking care of ANYTHING in this game anymore. It is just an single player game with possibility to group up with people, that among this sick WoW community is considered as "PUG" or whatever thats mean, and that is only because It is someone from the group finder. Look at your game, and what it becomes. Look at it and ask yourself what you are actually doing for the love of God? You are playing online game only to mostly communicate with 10-20 people from your guild, and rest of the people treat as NPCs ? Because that how this game feels like, beside maybe on RP servers, there you can feel like being closed with group of very talkactive people with the bi polar syndrome and weird affection over one Tavern in the forest. WoW is dead, community there is dead, and the developers doesn't care about the game, they care about the $$$. Now, log back in to WoW, and play your game that has no reason, and complain about how it slowly decay, as It will never be good again.
100% True, but cracks had already started to show ahead of TBC. TBC set the foundation to how following expansions would work, ruining the powerful core gameplay of vanilla. Was pretty obvious to me when I finally got my hands on Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty that I was playing an Activision product.
It had to come to this. It was predictable. All the changes that they made over time, one expansion after another, bit by bit, removing the core systems that made this an MMORPG, an epic and massive multiplayer RPG, into a hollow shell of a game, that's no more than a pointless, endless RNG grind, without any sort of fulfillment. It's sad though to see the dev team deflecting all these issues, comparable to a bunch of lawyers in court, pretending there's nothing wrong and all is well. It's us who don't know, who don't understand. I completely lost faith in this game and this dev team, all I can think of right now and here I seriously hope the ones responsible don't screw up, is with classic. Classic will come, hopefully soon, and we will finally have a proper MMORPG to play.
Assuming they focus on making Classic feel as _classic_ as possible, yes. It will be incredible. Sadly I have the feeling it'll fail because it'll be heavily monetised, or just fucked up for no reason.
I disagree. If there's fulfillment, it's not pointless. This is a game after all, a piece of entertainment, so when you get into it, you expect to have some fun, a good time. Now that's all subjective but from what I see, reading opinions on the Internet, talking with friends who played back them, the general consensus is that there was fulfillment in vanilla. Mostly because the game was flat out hard and you had clear objectives, objectives that once completed would give you joy and fulfillment. Getting your first mount (after saving up all your gold because it was scarce); reaching max lvl; getting that badass piece of armor you saw some dude wearing while you were roaming around the world. Among many other small things. The freaking feeling of progression, feeling stronger as you level up. The ability to put talents wherever you want. Like, how can you have an RPG in which there's no sense of progression, of customization. Everyone looks the same, everyone is the same. This is no longer an MMORPG, it's an MMOG. Bloody Spider-Man on PS4 has talent trees deeper than WoW's and here we are, 14 years after launch with those dumbed down talents that might as well not be there at all. It's pathetic. I'm not saying though vanilla wasn't a grind, or frustrating, because it was, of course it was. What I am saying is that, that grind made sense because you had an objective, a clear objective ahead of you, that was hard, but reachable and the world was freaking relentless on you. It's not like now, a walk in the park. The epic aspect of WoW was stripped away and that's a shame. Sure MMORPG's are time consuming, but it's always up to the player to manage the time spent online. And even though I'm very much looking forward to classic, I'm not the same person I was 13 or 14 years ago. Life changed and I will adapt the game to my life and not the other way around. All I ask is for them to deliver the game as it was, at its core, with flaws no doubt, but with quality.
look the whole thing with the removed pvp vendors is that you are kinda forced to to mythics and raids. That just wasnt the case back in the day. All i did was log in, fuck some idiots and get my gear. And that was all i cared about. Now i have to do mythics and raids and all that shit. I dont give a single fuck about pve and now they force me to do it.
I've cancelled my sub multiple times but I always end up coming back and enjoying a new xpac when it hits. This is the only time I've ever played a new xpac, didn't have fun and cancelled within the month. I knew it was bad when day 4 I realized I hadn't even logged in the day before. It took me almost 2 weeks just to make it to 120.
I didn't even make it to 120 before I cancelled my sub. It's really sad because this game holds such a dear place in my heart and I can't even be bothered to spend time on it.
I did arena mostly, but I got some raiding gear for World PvP (MoP - pvp gear capped at 550 ilvl) and I always liked reforging because you could tweak tank items for dps since there was overlap. Neat feature that didn't need to be removed.
I really miss this Asmongold. I don't want to watch him reacting to some irrelevant form of drama or dogshit Mmos like Lost arc, FFXIV or Towers of fantasy. Just him ranting about wow with Mcconell
@@DerSchalker97 it's not lost media to miss out on, I can just find and watch them, but I don’t since it's not my thing. Asmon also went trending because of the recent reviews he does on random topics, that's how I and many people I know started to know him and share his vids around, while his old content is for specifically WOW and alike type of fans which isn't as big of an audience as the general topics right now.
Minted Cow probably because Blizzard got tired of reading nothing but toxic waste on the questionnaire. Lmao. I quit as well, I’ll just wait for 8.1, make one subscription payment to give myself a month if i like it and decide from there. I refuse to pay $15 a month for an incomplete game
mine expired last week. I'm having a GREAT time in Monster Hunter World, and I feel rewarded everytime i do something when i play. Been playing wow non-stop since Cata.
Main a shaman since BC, made it to 118 before I realized that I just paid for an incomplete beta of an experience and canceled my account, I'm not paying 15 a month to wait for them to fix my class. it's a company issue with blizzard, the same complaints about blizzard you're voicing here is the same that the OW community is voicing.
I remember a friend of mine maining a shaman back in WOTLK stopped playing back then after they borked Enhancement. I don't remember the specific details though.
Completely 100% agree. I quit during the pre-launch event because I hated the new direction - GCD, they dumbed down my class and made it not fun to play anymore, they even totally changed the UI which is something for 14 years they had huge debates about when even changing just a tiny part of it like the keyring... you could tell that they were changing fundamental things they should not be messing with...
GCD changes is one of the worst things they added this expansion, about the UI i dont really care cause i never use the stock UI cause it sucks for raiding anw.
yea I know but the GCD and UI changes are both like a symbol of longstanding core features in WoW that Blizzard just thoughtlessly revamped... there was no good reason for changing either of them, or for pruning the classes further... it's like they're changing the recipe of what made WoW successful and for no reason...
@@ultimatesin3544 yes yes i completely agree with you i am not defending them in the slightest bit. They fucked up really bad with this expansion in so many ways...
@@Spinexus we are only losing stuff in every expansion since WoD. In the end the only thing we will have to use in order to dps is left and right mouse buttons.
Oh boy, can't wait for Asmongold to react to this one.
I came here to post that
hey i came here to post that too!
I hope he makes a reaction to his reaction of his original video
Why the fuck would he do that?
so good.... I lolled
I remember getting bloodfall in ICC 25.
I don't even know the name of my weapon right now.
I'll never forget obtaining Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter from Marrowgar as a Blood DK. So hype.
Now i'm using some PvP two hander that rolled stupidly high ilvl. Great.
Same. I couldn't tell you the name of any of my gear, but I sure am sick of STILL carrying a 325 offhand. RNG is fucking dumb.
My deathbringers will D: man when I finally got that ohhhhh
Deathbringer's will was the fucking op shit! Raids and guilds were collapsing because of it!
@@Buraz93 first time i ever ran heroic i won a heroic will. Best run of my life
Blizzard: it's not us, it's you.
well you know, you think you do...
The only thing you listed that i actually want is flying lol
I never asked for lfr and will always be against it
Blizzard is slowly turning into Disney and WoW is turning into the Last Jedi. Like how Disney attacked the fans and called them the problem and claimed that last jedi has no problems at all, people who watched it are just stupid.
That hurt to read only because of how true it is.
same happened to starcraft 2
2 years ago wtf, this felt like yesterday.
I hope he does one for Shadowlands, would be much more positive and enjoyable to watch
@B͜͡o͜͡b͜͡a͜͡ t͜͡e͜͡a͜͡ but he doesn't post there him,his editors so your point?
“Like what’s fun about leveling up your necklace...that does nothing; you can’t even click on it.”
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Unsubbed yesterday, and when he said: "I remember the items I got back in vanilla tbc, I don't remember the highest titanforge I got in in Legion". Hit me right in my heart... Good old benediction
Core hound tooth and perdition's blade. Those were the days.
I still remember the first time I got a piece of Tier gear from Molten Core. I could tell you the player's name's that were in the raid and what boss it dropped from.
Quel’Serrar. Doing that fucking headache of surviving Onyxia breath attack, and than after she died, hoping the sword wouldn’t despawn the body with all the loot... but walking around Ironforge with that sword, I felt like an elite amongst tanks
I almost cried when I got the leaf quest from majordomo. Stopped playing at wotlk. Following the rest through social media and it sucked since wotlk.
Gigaboss87 Spot on, it's my dagger combo transmog till this day. Qiraji Reaper+Iblis for swords... Timeless stuff.
Preach reacts: “Asmongold - The State of Battle for Azeroth”
That would actually be epic and a lot of fun!
I look forward to that
Asmongold reacts: "Asmongold - The State of Battle for Azeroth”
ROFL. This comment caught me off guard. Thanks! Now i can clean up my desk from all the coffee i spitted out because i laughed my ass off
DO EEET
Almost 3 years later - nothing changed. Amazing.
Well, some things have changed. :) hopefully for the better
@@VegardLa 9.1.5 did make some good changes
Oof... I can't tell which is worse. The fact that this vid is now 3 years since the time I watched it or the fact that there are people who sub to this game still thinking anything is going to change.
@@Kaldor-Draigo-h6q The people who keep subbing no matter how the game is being developed are one of the reasons it's getting worse and worse.
Yes, he’s still a loser gamer, with no real life.
You freaks are worthless pieces of human excrement, you contribute, literally NOTHING actually useful for society.
I hope Preach makes a 40 minute video where he just watches this video and goes "uh-huh", "yeah", "thats right", "I get what he's saying dude".
"This is big"
“Okay”
“TRRRUUUUUEEE”
"What do you think MCconnel?"
“Listen to this, this is really important!”
Does he usually agree with Asmon? Feel like Preach likes being a contrarian to be honest...
Devs: "Pay cash to level up"
Devs: Oh shit we need to find ways to make the game longer
I want to give this more thumbs up. But I am just one man!
damn this is so real
The problem is that the main goal blizzard is aiming for is not player enjoyment, but hours played.
Agreed. I cringe when I see WQ on the map. Grinding WQ for 3 hours on two toons is not fun. Artifact power sucks.
Yeah, alts are a pain in the ass. Even changing specs is a pain in the ass.
I couldn't agree more... I see it as they are replacing the fun created content with RNG timewalls. I feel they believe its easier and faster to create rng timewalls as opposed to creating content that will last the same amount of time. I understand they may be frustrated that they create content and players consistently blow through it like its nothing.... but I still feel that they , the devs, are getting lazy and falling back on WQs and RNG for the "perfect" drop way too often.
Idk about other people but when ever I blew through content, I would go pvp. That is the beauty of having good pvp and good pve, if you get bored with one, you just go do the other. Just back and forth constantly.
This is why I quit in MoP, and why I've tried every expansion and quit again. The game feels like you have chores to do.
The devs don't play it, they're busy on their mobile phones.
They’re playing Diablo mobile lul
Dev: what, do you guys don't have phone?
savage
Watch: they are all actually playing OSRS on mobile and not even any blizzard game.
dont you guys have phones lol?
Look at Wrath:
You had emblems of Trumph, noobie farming friendly, you got decent enough gear to step into raids and you were getting some emblems of frost so even as a noobie doing dungeons, you could get a raid item eventually! SO then you're ready to play in raids because you don't suck as much due to some experience you gained...
Tokens and emblem of frost from ICC, you could gradually farm your pieces, you knew how long it'll take to get pieces of your set, bravo, you go every week to get full set then get tokens in guild setting and you keep progressing to HC and get more tokens and more gear, bravo, rewarding and metered experience. No one will get all gear on day one due to BS titanforge.
PVP, you get shit beaten by full wrathful gear, you grind your ass off in arena and BGs eventually you earn enough honour and rating to buy gear you want and become the holy pala that 1v5s in BG against furious geared noobs aspiring to be like YOU. Bravo, rewarding and satisfaction!
Couldn't agree with you more! Starting out getting the crap beat out of you to 1v5ing in BGs was one of the best feelings I've had in WoW. Also I will never understand why on earth they got rid of PvP vendors! I would visit the vendors so often to see what I can eventually get. I would shift, right click them to see how awesome I would look aswell lol
Can't wait for Classic WoW. PvP Vendors should have never been removed.
Wrath was the best.
Yeah nowadays you farm rep and by the time you get the 350 items you have way better stuff from dungeons already and that's the only thing you can realistically farm for.
When did they get rid of Honor/Conquest vendors? I quit back in MoP and back then they were still in the game, I came back due to friends wanting me to raid in BFA, so I have no idea if it was in WoD or Legion or whenever.
You know its gotten really bad when ya boi asmongold makes a video
Ditto and he turns his light on
and then never makes a video ever again cause it be on point
This video just made me realize that I log in everyday strictly due to addiction and not due to enjoyment or fullfillment. Its a never ending cycle of "hoping it will be better."
Couldn't agree more man! I log in every day making new characters trying to find a purpose for wow. I play everyday but i don't enjoy it.
@@jacobstewart6552 Try guild wars 2! i am in the same boat and decided to dive into a new MMO and my god is it a breath of fresh air.
Yes. this video have opened my eyes about what I feel every time I log in and just do stuff without knowing how I really feel.
I hate to say it but this feeling hit me towards the start of Legion, I kept playing, and kept playing, 30+ hours a week, then 20, then just raid nights, then I realised exactly how you have realised, this amazing game is not amazing anymore, its soulless
You're in an abusive relationship and you cant leave because....where would you go
Can’t believe this was already half a decade ago… I remember watching this 2 days after it was uploaded.
I dont know where the time went, it all seems like it was yesterday
BFA = Blizzard Failed Again
Haven't played since WoD and I'm glad I stayed away, this game is turning into a slot machine, complete trash.
:(
BfA is doing a good job in hyping up vanilla ^_^
Gonna be a RuneScape situation. The oldstyle game is bigger than the old one now haha
Vanilla will have a niche audience at best. People who enjoy todays games won't put up with the archaic systems in vanilla.
Just look at how many threads there are about flying on the forums for proof of this.
vanilla won't be nearly as popular as people seem to think it will be, methinks . this coming from someone who played Vanilla-TBC, and tried playing on a Private Server recently.
Nostalrius had 800k accounts and almost 200k active players when it was shut down, and it was a fucking private server. Classic is gonna be huge.
And how many people only played because it was free?
I completely misunderstood how Azerite traits would work when I played Beta. These traits are one of the most annoying, least fulfilling, and confusing things to ever be added to the game. I hate them so, so much. I hate the fact that I need to sim every single piece I get because I legit have no idea what traits are good, but then also keep every Azerite piece I get because I don't know when Blizzard will decide that one of my traits is too OP and give it the Gladiator Warrior treatment. This is probably my least favourite thing right now when it comes to BFA, but it's not the only thing I'm not liking.
Quick shout out to Warfronts and Islands for being 2 highly promoted expansion features that are actually some of the least fun content I have ever had the misfortune of experiencing.
Darnasuss was justified.
Warfronts should have been a rotating event. darkshore should have been in the game already and darkshore shuold have been up when arathi was down for each side. I would have added a third as well outright that was exclusively a new pvp mode similar to back in wotlk large scale assault.
Islands are actually.. not too bad of an idea, but I think they're not varied enough. It should have been called expeditions and not been restricted to shitbasket islands. These are the types of times they could have generated a lot of content procedurally, one of the few fucking times... and all they did was leave in this couple various scripted bullshit.
The brawlers guild is still around.
warfront is such a fraudulent experience it cannot stay like this for the rest of the expansion.
Island on the other hand if they add lot more cosmetic item it "could" be worthwhile. Then again i thought terrains are auto generated like diablo 3, sadly it wasn't.
The real problem is not Azerite but the fact that this is a single expansion feature. If Blizz wanted to rebuild the system now - it would take a long time, probably around 8.3 to implement in game. By that time the exp would be almost over so there is no point in putting so much work into that. They will slap a hotfix here and there but I would not expect a major overhaul.
he got more epics in this vid killing frogs than you got in 4 months of raiding in vanilla
THIS SO MUCH THIS ......Since WOTLK they have given epics away for breathing air.
Yea.... 'inventory full' I was thinking oh... so they drop so often now you just leave them on the ground? Okay. Glad I'm not subbed to this dumb game.
@@Legion852 Make that 2.4.3 and Isle of Quel'danas
LOL, I remember spending a month trying to get sul thraze the lasher. Getting it was so damn rewarding. Then saving up enough to buy a skull flame shield. Ah, such good gaming experiences for me. I left during cata when wotlk made epics mince meat. Plus having full ulduar 25 gear and being told gearscore wasnt high enough for toc 25, ass.
@@alexbrown2529 I was one of those lucky bastards that just found sul thraze randomly on a mob. I was more upset that even then after finding my first epic I replaced it with a blue 3 lvls later
Its not the developers. Its the game designers. The original game designers, Like Jeff Kaplan for example, who were part of the original Mike Morhaime team, are gone. Blizzard is essentially an Activision Brand now, and the game reflects that.
So true. I think Morheime is just sick of the Activision corporate bullshit and quits, just like Metzen.
Developer is a blanket term that include creative leads as well as game directors.
Unless you are talking about coders? But no one blames coders/programmers for the game's direction.
@someone667
there's a very distinct difference between "developer" and "people making design decisions". devs are coders... the latter is more in line with executive production. It's important to note because the DEVELOPERS are the ones who take the chance to go on social media, but end up getting flamed. executive producers are either invisible to the public, or have teams of PR staff working to protect their reputations.
@ilovedrugseveryday Mike, and Chris, and Rob Pardo (he was very open about the crap he went through prior to leaving), and the entire Wildstar team, and countless others who have since moved on.
Well you are wrong about that. Game developers are not necessarily the coders themselves. In fact, the coders generally have little to no say as to how the game turns out, other than if they claim there are limitations to things that they were suppose to be doing.
another asmongold channel? wtf
lol you're dumb this is his main channel
@@August-ok9rt r/whoooosh
Ironic you're calling someone dumb when it was you that didn't understand the joke.
@World of August imagine having negative IQ score
What if World of August purposely said that, And we're all the retards and he's the one who's 200 IQ
I unsubbed, thanks Asmongold. "I remember the items I got back in vanilla tbc, I don't remember the highest titanforge I got in in Legion" got me right there.
I got my BIS from a fucking blingtron in Legion
The reason for that is loot was so rare in Vanilla. I raided for a year and didn't get a single drop in Vanilla.
I also unsubbed few days ago and cancelled my gametime, feels so good. Waiting for Classic/tbc/wotlk now.
did you kill a boss?
I remember because it was +70 on a fucking Broken Shore rare, so ridiculous.
2 years ago today, and shadowlands on the horizon. Time flies
Recommended: Asmongold reacts to "The State of Battle for Azeroth" (Twitch highlight)
Any coincidence that the Azerite wheel looks like a roulette wheel......🤔
Totally agree. I quit after two weeks. I felt like a hamster on a wheel. Total waste of time.
Good, don't ever come back or even think about coming back. You also should have refunded you waste money fuck.
@Black Panther oh my
yeah man, totally. hamster on a goddamn wheel
I spent the last few months of Legion purely doing gold making. About a month from BFA I bought a three month subscription, leveled one alt up in BFA, then stopped. It's just not fun. No classes I played, and I have all but three at 110, felt good. They all feel shit.
rofl been like that since cataclysm tho
It's time to stop calling them Blizzard and start calling them who they really are ... *ACTIVISION* :(
Holy shit this is so savage. I'll start doing that.
Very true. I think Blizzard could do some really awe-inspiring things but the SUITS -- the businessmen -- are keeping them down; limiting more than just the budget.
This. What made Blizzard is gone. It is now Activision.
FeRReT NS ironically, they have destiny 2 and black ops 4 on the battle net loader instead of either making their own launcher or putting it on steam
Actizzard or Blivision?
I loved WoW when your character were nobody in Azeroth. Players were bunch of people who just went raiding or doing quest. Now, every player is a "Champion" the savior of Alliance or Horde. It breaks the immersion of the whole world which i fell love in a first place. I really liked how Kalimdor and Eastern kingdoms felt a huge world back then. Feeling that you just were one of the civilian who tried to become one of the powerfull person in Azeroth like Arthas, Jaina, Thrall or Muradin. One of the big things were socializing in the Chat. You have to communicate with people to actually achieve something. I think that was the gamechanger i MMORPG games in the first place. Now you just que in a random dungeon teleporting instantly to the dungeon. Everyone knows their role and no-one speaks a word while running the dungeon unless tank or healer fucks up. I've played the new expansion and i agree with you. It's not the same unique game anymore. Im sorry for my english, it's not my native language. :(
I totally agree with you. So much games now days try to lure you in with the you-are-hero crap. Too much of it brings a hero-crissis. Where the players feel like they are too powerfull and nothing else is improtant anymore. Everything loses its value and the heroes fall into the in-game depression.
To some extent the player has earned respect from the game itself. The player at high levels into the game has proven they are powerful and competent. By doing quests they have solved hundreds if not thousands of (sometimes) dire issues in the world. By the time you hit level 70 you have accomplished more than Jaina Thrall and Muradin combined.
@@ebolachanislove6072 Indeed! And that max level was really hard to achieve in the first place. I remember when i saw lvl 60 max players and admire them how much they have put effort to reach max level. Nowdays you can buy max level and heirlooms to boost your xp gain.
I began WoW on vanilla, stopped on WOTLK. And years after I stopped this game that gave me so much fun, and love for the adventure I was living, I tried BFA. And I absolutely agree with what you are saying. 100% My thoughts. There is no communication, you're not living the thrilling adventure you were living back when the game was actually difficult. When taking on a dungeon meant putting a team together, which took time, and being solid together. Communcating and living this adventure together. Grow together. Its ALL gone.
@@Matthiaslipknot For me that died in MoP. (Huh so did the story come to think of it.) I did my first dungeon as a tank and everything in the dungeon was being one shot by our hunter faster than I could charge to it. Then I tried an LFR run and the first boss was killed by the party before I (the tank) loaded into the instance.
Blizzard take notes from this video before you kill our game.. Please..
they killed the game 9 years ago
its not your game. its theirs
@@modernwarfare186 it is the communities game. Wow cant exist without players.
Without the players, there IS no game.
BFA drove me away. Played since original open beta and BFA was the straw for me.
This shit stinks even more now, quite sad.
Accessible to all, enjoyed by none.
Fuck.
"if you make a game for everyone you make a game for no one"
absolutely NO ONE ENJOYS THIS GAME.
seriously?
He looks genuinely sad in this video. Close to tears. I don't play but i feel bad for people who has invested in WoW.
Truly sad the direction the game has gone for long term fans. That's why there's such a push for classic.
Sad, but not quite close to tears. I think that's just him stifling several burps throughout the video. He's a gassy boy.
Well you can start playing with private server
we all do but its never enough we always want more its never enough we want to be kids again and start new characters on private servers but its never enough its doesn't feel the same we always want more
I still cant believe its been 4 years since this video
I just cancelled my sub. Something that I never felt like doing in Legion.
They don't even make you go through the process to give feedback on your reason for cancelling your subscription.
I clicked "Cancel Subscription" it threw up a box and asked me if I was sure and then nothing after I clicked yes. It just cancel is without any boxes or ticks to check to explain my reason.
They just don't care anymore apparently
I also unsubbed and I thought it had bugged out when I did it because I remember that there was a "tell us why" part to canceling your sub in the past and this time I didn't see anything of the sort. Honestly it made me feel like they didn't care if I subbed or canceled.
you're weak
The box submit thing was given useless feedback so they removed it
@@skannerz22 Eh. I'm just not having fun with WoW in BFA so I'm not going to pay for it. I've hardly logged in in 2 weeks and dont really have much desire to anymore. So I'll save the 15 bucks and spend it elsewhere.
It's not a matter of being weak as much as it is the game not being worth my 15 bucks
If it's useless feedback, that's because of the mechanisms they had allowed it to collect.
Any input from an unhappy customer, especially systematic and quantifiable, is always useful.
They could have defined a few things they were interested in, even.
"Did you quit because you were unhappy with the game? Y/N"
Even that simple of a question, over years, can let you know if more players are happy or not relative to the population.
I would rather grind boars in Elwynn Forest as a warrior in Vanilla than run around doing world quests in BFA. Doing world quests feels WAY more 'grindy' as well as boring and unfulfilling. The game play you have shown in this video emphasizes another reason why I feel BFA (and previous expansions) are bad - you don't have to focus or think about anything (eg. health, mana, etc). Just go gather up a bunch of mobs, roll your face over your keyboard, and you will kill them all. No thrill or challenge. No fear or possibly of dying and suffering the consequences. It's just shit. Like many people I have loved this game for 13+ years, but I have to be honest and say since Cata the game has worsened continually. I remember the hate towards MOP but compared to Legion and BFA, MOP was a masterpiece.
Heres a wq with 120-300 ap.... you need 20+k ap for next level...
@@DarkRavin07 so then dont farm it idiot. Once your neck hits lvl 23 you literally dont need to farm anymore AP.. and its not hard at all anymore to hit lvl 23 cause the ap reduction.
Stop complaining about content you think you HAVE to do when you really dont
@@DarkRavin07 the game is just a diablo copy paste. Its funny how years ago I was calling this game world of diablo because the hack n slash aspect of the game (basically every piece of relevant content is about killing everything in your path to collect loot) was so strong but now its literally diablo mmo version
Blizzard, just accept that kids will be playing Fortnite rather than WoW, and make this game an adult game once more.
as a 1 month old infant, i agree with you
As a semen swimming upstream I agree
As a godlike alpha male who has sex with 10 women a day, I agree
how wonderful would that be oh god!
As a mother, I agree.
Watching this video is like looking back at the beginning of the end. What a sad state this company is in and still nothing has changed.
I agree 100%. The direction in which Blizzard is taking World of Warcraft simply by not listening to the players is shocking.
Right? These are all things we've been saying since mod
Is this your first expansion they have been doing this since wrath of the lich king
@exzses yeh it sucks I agree :(
Agreed. Really sad to see.
They used to say that X game was going to be the wow killer. Little did they know that the only thing that could kill wow was its creator.
My buddy I work with said it the best; feels like the game was made by greedy Activision and not passionate Blizzard.
Blizzard = Activision now.
nipa 101 is just a triggered kid
@@nipa1013 arguments aren't needed when you say stuff so nonsensical.
nipa 101 no this is Activision. Blizzard had always been about what is the best experience for the players... and I’m talking about all their games in the late 90’s to the early 2000’s. It is why they had become titans in the industry . This incarnation of Blizzard is about spreadsheets and graphs. They could salvage WoW this very moment. They could change and fix all the issues the game has... but... that would go outside of their charts and projected precious budget, and the Lords of Greed sitting on their thrones in Activision would never be happy about going outside of their profits.
Play Destiny 2, it’s very eerie similar how the games are alike now
Everytime i think about going back it seems that the pile of shit has gotten bigger.
Sums up my views as well. Since WoD, I've known, even when I want to try it again, I cannot trust blizzard to not take a bunch of money and then leave me with nothing to do after a single month.
No worries, it is just a bunch of useless crybabies that cannot do anything but state their worthless opinion because they are not having fun anymore. The game is just fine, you are welcome to join.
I haven’t played since TBC. Is it that bad??
@@breadcat6454 no it isnt
Game has gone downhill since 2008.
I find it impressive that the man kept talking for 34mins straight without pausing
I just want normal loot back. I want vendors back, I want to be able to reforge my gear so when I get a trash piece it can become not as trash. That's all I want.
Pandaria was a nice time, Just the thunderfarging was Trash But Over all i think MOP was the Last great expension
@@Hazelnaria Definitely
@@Hazelnaria i still dont understand how people can complain about mop. In my eyes mop felt like the last complete expansion. The balancing was great, awesome pve content, everyone had different professions (not alchemy bc the rest is useless), very less bugs compared to legion, big graphic improvement, i play since classic and i never missed out an expansion and i never had so much fun like in mop. Wod was clearly the shittiest expansion. I also think legion wasnt that shit at all. I had much fun in pve (first time in my life bc i had no fun anymore in pvp due to unbalanced classes). Ofc many things should have been improvement. But many good things came into game. Magetower challange, artefactskins, mythic +, orderhall with their awesome class questlines for all classes and i enjoyed them all.
I don't think vendors alone will make the game enjoyable... there is no innovation for content anymore.
zomgpeoplestolemname dude, why did they remove reforging I’m still fucking triggered over that...
Not wrong about loot. I still to this day remember all the items, even the shit ones I got and used.
I started as a Ret Paladin in Wrath. My very first epic 2H was the Titansteel Destroyer that you could craft with blacksmithing. I was beyond ecstatic when I got this item, even though it was only a crafted and basically garbage.
I then ended up running Utgarde Pinnacle on Heroic everyday until the Red Sword of Courage dropped off of King Ymiron. A tanking 1H Sword! Then from that point I main tanked all the rest of Wrath.
My first big tank weapon drop was from Naxxramas 25, which was none other than Last Laugh 1H tank axe off of KT.
I remember for a shield I had The Skull of Ruin from Naxxramas 10. I literally had this shield all the way until TOGC launched because I couldn't get anything else to drop. At the time I hated this shield because I felt like it was the bane of my existence. Now I wish I had it back.
It's sad though. I main a SV Hunter currently. I have a 380 2H Polearm that I got out of my +10 cache. I have no clue what it's even called and didn't even feel great about getting it. I just RNG'd a weapon and hardly worked for it. Amazing how a mythic raid tier level weapon doesn't excite me in the slightest compared to how a Heroic Dungeon 1H did in Wrath.
I relate to the final paragraph on a spiritual level. I'm a Beast Mastery Hunter with a 370 G'huun gun that I got out of the 4 Mythics Weekly Quest Cache a few weeks ago. I have no idea what the thing is called, and I was only slightly happy when I got it. My reaction was more like "Oh, nice." relief that I won the game-of-chance while some of my friends didn't.
There was no genuine feeling of reward, something I haven't felt for any of my loot in BFA. My only pieces of gear that I even know the name of are my trinkets: Lustrous Golden Plumage (is that even right?), and Harlan's Loaded Dice.
I want the feeling back of hunting for your gear and being rewarded for pursuing it.
Similar story, I FARMED AND FARMED to upgrade my mace back in BC to be able to stun fuckers and own in arenas. You used to WORK for gear in the mmo and be rewarded for your efforts, and it wasn't shortlived. People respected the grind, now no one gives a fuck. The game has become profit and not enjoyment. Small dopamine hits rather than hard work and the payoff you get from the hard work.
If you think Blizzards communication is bad as a US player try being an EU one, I have been playing since BC and can honestly say i have never seen a Dev post directly to the EU forums or join in any conversations.. The only Dev posts we get are copy/pasted over from the US forums by a CM.
johnyfartpants I mean in fairness the guys work in California. Sure they could assign a 3rd shift crew to cater for EU needs. Guessing they could never justify the manpower to their bosses to help you guys out. I mean Christ even East coast players like myself got screwed from patches in the past. I remember the Black temple patch wasn’t ready intill 10pm Tuesday night.
why is there even a EU forum? Forums should be split by language, not region.
Totally agree, and surely we are reaching a time where there shouldn't even be different regions for the clients and maybe even one joined up realm? Eve-Online has had one server network to cover the whole globe for well over a decade? When you look at how dead most realms are nowadays i'm pretty sure this could be done for WoW?
wont be done cause they need them moneys from unfortunate ppl that need to transfer
almost all of eu speaks english or enough of it to have a proper conversation with you
This game went to shit many xpacs ago, there was nothing like swimming across the lake from Elwynn Forrest to Darkshire and being mauled apart by lvl 20 wolves (skulls when you're like lvl 6 or so). The little things like this, the sense of exploration and atmosphere have gone and Blizzard can never get that back. #RIP WoW
Yoo that was the shit. I started the game when the Mohawk grenade ad came out
Your wrong
I believe that youre wrong. The game can recover. Just change the game next xpac. Make it bard. Make it fulfilling. If they start a new thing rather than followinv the last 5 xpacs it will get better, even back to vanilla.
The amount of things removed with BFA extremely out weigh the amount of things added, hard to feel it's even an expansion.
its just 7.5 bro..
Removed to add back in later. Call it content.
Like Ghost said on the web show with Preach they'll just re add it in an expansion and call it a selling point.
I mean is there anything NEW besides you know the zones you wont ever visit after getting exalted, except killing the world boss maybe once a week... The warfront which is shit, the island expedition which is shit.. Is there really anything new? Raids aren't a new concept, dungeons aren't a new concept, mythic + isn't a new concept, world quests isn't a new concept, the lore feels..just weird, I still hate the fucking horses. Incursions or however that's spelled that is coming up is just Legion invasions and nothing new..
Is there really something truly new like the warfront and island expedition in this expansion.. That's actually fun to do? No, the two CORE NEW stuff that they put out are both fucking horrendous, not fun and just truly garbage. And Blizzard wont change a thing about them since they're a bunch of delusional degens.
Thank you Asmongold for your in-depth analysis and insight always appreciated. it’s sad to see World of Warcraft in this state and honestly I’m glad I avoided this expansion. all we can hope for now is a good classic hopefully blizzard doesn’t fuck that up
Glink love your videos fam.
My man❤️ i miss your hunter gameplay ;(
-implying Activision blizzard will not fuck classic up with level 60 boosts and paid loot crates with a .05% chance to drop [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
Glink my boy you're still alive
They will change all the dances to fortnite dances
i really hate, when the hater post a trash comment: "wow is trash", etc, and blizz tell him, tell me more about your problem or be more specific, but when the real players make contructive feedback about the game, blizzard dont give a shit about our opinión...
It's PR. It's to put a damper on negative feedback. They have no intention to listen. They just want for the responses to be more positive in case Daddyvision or stockholders take a look. There is nothing to be confused about. They are bottom tier developers with bottom tier mods, making a bottom tier game with bottom tier communication and trying to milk as much profit as possible with as little effort as possible.
tldr; corporate world
Ditto, so fucking true.
I remember how I started playing wow when Zul'Gurub was added in vanilla WoW, and how I thought their gear and mounts looked amazing. Those were the good ol' days.
8/8 m8
Omg the real quin
Quin remembered his password Pog. Maybe now he will make some content.
Should've benched descry lad
Ayyyy the rat pack is here boys
Quin69 pls play diablo, wow is shit atm
My main problem is game is flagged as mmorpg and after 12 years playing it feals more and more like mmoarcade ... they removed proper skills after wotlk .. they removed hit skills and defense and weapon skills .... they removed resistance ... spell ranks ... like from expansion to expansion they just removing and removing staff what makes any good rpg actually rpg + all the problems you mention ... its sad that in 2018 i often log to kronos vanilla server and actually have more fun then in proper wow
the end of the true RPG aspect was when dodge, parry and spirit where all removed as actualy optainable stats infasvour of Versastiliy, reforging along qwith these stats gave players a choice in how they play
SO TRUE! Old WoW had a lot of rpg elements to it. There is just something about leveling your weapon skills even bare hand skills
It’s a Diablo game now. Not a mmorpg
Kronos is dead, roll on Northdale if you are just starting out.
Jimmy you mean they took out the rpg not the mmo.. destiny is a mmo.
5:30 Thats some Megamind, big if true, 200 IQ thinking right there.
Some real *BIG THINK*
Legendary video right here. I remember that this was the first Asmongold video I watched 2 years ago and I had never even played WoW ever. When I think about it I don't even know why the fuck I watched this video but man... I'm glad I did. Love you Asmon.
"I took that failed test with a smile cos I knew later that day I was going home to buy my Season 4 Mace". This is the story of my twenties. Except substitute failed tests for suck-ass days at work.
I mean leveling in a completely new expansion knowing you won't get any new exciting abilities for your class sucks.
Knowing what awaits you at 120 is farming world quests over and over sucks.
Playing classes that are so slow, clunky and a lot weaker than before sucks.
Knowing Blizzard doesn't care what people want but just want to do whatever they want sucks.
I'm done with WoW.
World quests are better than daily quests to be fair.
Yeah Exactly how I felt man
@@EE-wu7kz daily quests weren't essential though. I mean i only did dailies for either rep in wotlk for the enchantments or in TBC to get gold in isle of quel'danas (dont remember the exact name). WQ now are essential to progression and they just suck. Even in Legion after some time people were done with them. Personally i am quitting BFA aswell. Even in WoD i had more fun especially for the first 2-3 months and in BRF (it was awesome). Also fury warrior with 1handed weapons was a thing
In what way are world quests essential to the game if not to get rep? If you don't care about rep you could skip world quests completely.
I agree WoD was actually pretty good the first 1-2 months of the game.
Main war campaing is based on 7th legion / horde part reputation. Patchfinder similarily. The main EQ piece (neck) ilvl is mostly boosted by getting rep with Bronzebeard faction which can only be gotten by farming world quests. The whole "artifact power" is in big part connected to world quests, because other options of getting it are usually mindless grinding stuff.
All in all, world quests were always quite boring. In Legion though, they gave you atleast a small amount of thrill, while now they are just simply a chore. Its like its Legion 0.5 for the BFA, not only in World quests, but also in other things.
I came into this expansion thinking it was going to be PvP focused, but it turned out to be grind focused.
"Give us something to where your character's power is not defined by just getting really lucky. It's not fun." I strongly agree. 33:03
Battle for Azeroth feels like it's the last straw for the playerbase. Blizzard saw that people were playing for hours on end farming old mounts and decided to make that RNG element a very prevalent part of current content to extend play time. The time-gating is also terrible. Oh, you want Dark Iron Dwarves? Just do every single 7th Legion World Quest for a couple of weeks. Make sure you do every single one to improve your rep yield. Then level it up without level boosting over the next few weeks to get that sweet heritage armour. Everyone's already levelled up their allied races and got the armour? Slap some heritage armour on old races, that way we can extend play time for players that haven't levelled those races before.
Azerite Armour is a complete mess. I might as well not be wearing a Heart of Azeroth because it has nothing to do with anything, it might as well just be in my bag and I wear a necklace, in fact I'd rather that. Artifact Weapons were a stroke of genius and they felt good because Artifact Power was a currency, not another arbitrary level number (even though the weapons did have that as well). Azerite would work as a currency, in that when you had enough you could buy another trait for your armour.
There is a problem with there being no vendors, and there is a problem with reputations, and there is a problem with Island Expeditions. Have Island Expeditions give you 7th Legion/Honourbound rep, armour and weapons from rarer enemies (Azerite Armour if you're lucky, which I believe is the threshold at which RNG should end) and "Great Sea Coins" (or something). You can go to a vendor with Great Sea Coins to buy chunks of Azerite, reputation for all of your faction's reputations and, for a lot of coins, some of the best weapons in the game but these should be really expensive. This gives 7th Legion/ Honourbound a repeatable way of gaining reputation and also gives you insentive to do Island Expeditions that isn't just Azerite. The fact that Island Expeditions didn't yield any reputation was an enormous oversight, it feels like they were made for that.
I think Warfronts are fine, everyone overhyped them because they thought Warfronts would kind of fix the game but we were disappointed, doesn't make them bad just makes them underwhelming. What I would say, however, is that there is a problem with activity in the rest of the world besides Kul'Tiras and Zandalar. Make killing enemies in the open world besides current content give you "Warlord of [insert name of continent] Points" (or something). Getting "Warlord of The Eastern Kingdoms Points" will let you buy rewards from vendors and get you "Slayer of the Eastern Kingdoms" title, and it would be the same for Kalimdor, Northrend, Pandaria, Outland, Draenor and the Broken Isles. And people would be doing this for years to come, people three expansions from now could say "I haven't done the Slayer of Northrend title yet I should try and go for that sounds like a grind but it'll be worth it for the title".
Removing Tier Sets was a complete joke and G'huun should have dropped the Blood Tic mount. I liked the idea of a title for being one of the first to kill G'huun Mythic on your server, they should have had it for Mythic Dungeon final bosses as well, the more the merrier and it won't hurt anybody. Also I'm a huge advocate of trash and bosses in raids dropping tokens (maybe "Blood Tokens" or something in Uldir") that, if nothing drops for you, you can go away afterwards to a vendor and still get a weapon or some armour or something.
World Quests should be for farming end-game Azerite Armour (up until heroic/mythic dungeons and raiding), Azerite and getting EXTRA rep, they shouldn't be the main way players get rep for fucks sake. Also there should be PvP World Quests, like kill enemies in this zone or in this area. And World Quests should give a currency that you can go to a vendor and buy weapons with.
Is it even worth talking about professions? Just make them completely cosmetic. "I'm gonna go into Leatherworking so I can get the toy that puts a tent down" or "I'm gonna go into engineering so I can get that robot cat mount" or "I'm gonna go into Jewelcrafting so I can get that elemental companion" or "I'm gonna go into alchemy so I can craft that potion that makes me look like a leper gnome". Stop trying to make professions relevant content, it doesn't work. They should be cosmetic only. If you want to make it relevant make it an option for me to craft certain tokens that I can vendor for phat lootz.
I'm so disappointed. Maybe my suggestions are dogshit, I get that, but at the end of the day I'd be happier with any of that than what we got. I'm just not happy with BfA whatsoever and valid criticism and discussion seems to be a thing of the past for Blizzard. It makes me so sad.
Professions should be a way to empower your character. I think its okay with alchemy, but other prifessions suck
Like create a crafting gear so it will be bis pre-raid and after with reagents from raid! This couldnt be accomplished because of how whole system with keys and titanforging works - i didnt want to go for leatherworking to craft 380 gear because i knew i could get it in keys and guess what? Yeah, both craft slots are 385 mythic 10 titanforged. The system sucks
kyoshee Professions are a relic from an age long passed. They used to be incredibly helpful but they've trickled down into redundancy. The only things we really care about from professions any more are the toys, mounts and pets (besides some flasks from alchemy, you're absolutely right about alchemy, alchemy's great, we love alchemy, alchemy alchemy alchemy, it's a god-tier profession). I think to modernise professions all they can do is make the system revolve around cosmetics, but each to their own I suppose.
@@Healthtymento If Blizz wants to work with THIS system then yeah, you got the point. But i really like to see that "relics from an age long passed" shine bright again. The problem is system needs to be reworked completely...
Wait what? Expeditions award 1500 rep each week
Bill's Here which is another example of time gating.
Played heavily since TBC with a few small breaks in between. But this BFA, after I hit 120, I started doing some dungeons, some wq, then one week later I'm on a flightpath in between wqs, realise, not this shit again, alt+f4'd and never came back.
You are absolutely right developers are out of touch, so many small things that make the whole annoying...
Why didn't you realize that during daily quests in TBC?
Hahaha yea Dailys sucked asssss
I last played during TBC many years ago. I miss playing a lot, the pvp was epic. I am honestly tempted to play the newest expansion very casually. How do things compare to back then?
@@breadcat6454 dont do it i quit mid WOTLK came back to BFA release, hit 120 tried pvp 10min ques no thx and the lvling scaling bs ruins pvp horrifically. Just a warning. Game has been butchered
This happens with any creative industry. The talent and soul is sucked out by sales and marketing types and high-brown 'educated' developers that focus more on pushing boundaries and reinventing the wheel than providing players with what they want.
EVE Online has an elected CSM that acts as a medium between the developers and the community. Maybe WoW would benefit from something like this.
We need a Tribune of the plebs
eve online got bought out by same people who make blackdesertonline, rip eve online.
Truth be told, the Blizzard that made warcraft 3, Vanilla WoW and WotLK has veen ship of theseus'd into oblivion. Few if any of the original developers still work on it today, and from those that do even fewer have any sway in the direction the game follows...
high-brown HAHAHAHA
And that's why Eve is the best mmorpg ever created, eventho i just dont have time to play it and also my friends don't play it so.. Eve ain't that fun without friends.
I'm not biased either, ive played both mmorpgs...
wow vanilla,bc,wotlk
eve - ~2008-2013
difference between eve and wow...
Eve constantly and linearly grow and get better with every single update , wow is like a mentally unstable wife
I think there hasn't been a single patch/expansion in Eve wich wasn't wanted by the playerbase... (ok there's one.. captains headquarters, noone actually cared or wanted it... :D )
We need this Asmongold back
Blizzard reminds me of Lucille Bluth - “If that’s a veiled criticism of me, I won’t hear it, and I won’t respond to it.”
Props for the Arrested Development reference!
Battle for Azeroth: the battle between the devs and community for the survival of our world
Personaly, on the randomness of drops to keep the player playing, I felt that coming way earlier, with the introduction of daily/weekly quests. Instead of playing as much as you want to get your stuff as soon as you can. You were stopped in your progression by some arbitrary limit, so you don't play too much. That moment I had to log every day/week, instead of playing as I wanted. The game started to feel like the hamster wheel. I wasn't rewarded for playing the game, I was rewarded for attending the game.
You're a fuckin' seer! Daily quests came out way back in Burning Crusade (iirc) and you saw titanforging/randomness on gear coming all the way back then?? You should be a professional gambler, you soothsayer!
Chores.
"I wasn't rewarded for playing the game, I was rewarded for attending the game."
OOF, that's fucking strong.
I'm talking about the mechanisms to keep the player to log in the game. How those mechanisms, in my opinion, were introduced with daily/weekly quests. Like the randomness described by Asmongold, daily/weekly quests, doesn't reward the player playing the game, but the player logging in every day/week.
In the end, weekly and daily quests aren't a bad thing. It's having supplemental content around those quests. You want to do them when you first login because it's rewarding, but you need more than that.
My main gripe with Destiny 2 is that, even now, daily and weekly things are the only thing you login to. You need things to grind for.. things to make you want to keep coming back when you're at work or school. When you've finished all of your timed stuff, then what?
1 MILLION VIEWS 18 HOUR STREAM
BETA BOIS
1 Million people who like shit content. I'm sad I contributed to this number.
BEETA!
@@GrumbleGombol Ky and you know what's next. S
@@taviduca8300 Nah, I'm good thanks.
And we’re still waiting
MMO right now is to rush max level, grind gear, repeat next expansion. There is no sense of adventure and escapism which is what every game is all about.
The real charm of vanilla is being able to explore the unknown, discovering stuff of legends and myths.
Following the lore, hoping to discover something no one has ever seen before.
People FEEL the value of their achievements though discovery, like legendary gear and new spells.
This is the reason MMO is dying. Everything right now has no value. All you need to do is repeat the same exact thing till you get what you want.
You get everything through repetition. The difference of the best from the not, is how much grind they do.
Don't forget the wonders of looking at the landscape while taking a simple stroll through the maps and the excitement we had during those hours as a noob before we got those things called mounts ^^ loved those days
@@AflipKID91 The world in every MMO are huge but it's not possible to appreciate it anymore, nor will we feel the sense of adventure.The world is NOT necessary anymore, and we are focused on reaching max level to do max level raid.
I don't mind mounts as long as the sense of adventure exist. Which it does not anymore, cause mounts are there so we can level faster and reach max level to do max level stuff.
Story/Lore itself is NOT necessary cause our sense of accomplishment is having BiS Gear, not really the excitement of beating evil and saving the world. We do NOT feel accomplished by bringing peace back to the world, but rather by getting the best Items through repetitions.
Remember when the 1st legendary dropped? Remember when the 1st raid was beaten? it become a world wide news that made everyone feels all sorts of emotions. How do you feel getting legendaries now? or artifacts which is meant to be the best lorewise? None.
Zero feelings, Zero sense of accomplishment cause every player will get it in a month.
You know you can do all that in retail Wow, nobody's forcing you to play any way. Do you really have to be forced to have fun in order to have fun?
In vanilla we would spend every non raid day grinding for food. We grinded during every era of WOW if you don't think so you're kidding yourself
@@AflipKID91 you can just not use a mount...
"Getting lucky doesn't feel good" -Asmongold, 2018.
True tho
It does for a second. It's an instant gradification and not the long term feeling of fulfillment. He said that in the video did you even watch it?
It's why he always is more depressed after getting laid
The quote of the year!
huge quote, more true words have never been spoken
first expansion where i just straight up quit the game a month in.
HAHA beat ya, I quit less than a week in.
Oh yea, well I didn't even play it!
I didnt even buy it
Same my dude
Same, I even had more fun with wod. I did +10 the week it was possible and kept doing +10 and never got the loot I was there for, meanwhile I was getting links of titanforged socketed weapons/trinkets better than base +10 drops from m0. I don't want to play lottery game, I want hard earned epic phat loot that took weeks or even months to achieve so I can wave my big epen in town. I miss meaningful stats, bis lists etc. It's fine if your mastery sucks you're not supposed to wear everything just because it has higher ilvl or gearing isn't meaningful.
I'm going to be honest. I have purchased BFA, re-made my troll hunter which I was really looking forward to. I logged on, was introduced to this tutorial on how to play survival in baby steps, logged off. I waited for a couple of weeks to keep an eye on the state of the game and uhh. Let's just say I have about 3-5 minutes in BFA, have cancelled my subscription and haven't looked back. This is the only time in Blizzard history which I have not attempted one of their games...
I will be re-subbing for classic WoW 100% though.. lol
A wow expansion is nowhere near a complete different game so don’t worry if you play everything else you can still say you played all of blizzards games
You can come in the last month of a given expansion and achieve and complete everything that people spent two years doing and I hate that.
Damn Surfer I mean, to a certain extent that Is unavoidable.
Flaming Galaxy - Osu, Binding of Isaac & More! In classic, bc, wotlk, cata it wasn’t. Mist started the whole ‘no child left behind’ mentality. Mist was fun don’t get me wrong I loved it, but the system they introduced hurt wow big time.
@@flaminggalaxy-osubindingof1283 in the current state of the game, but that's why I'm looking forward to classic.
@@fredrick1176 Im not sure if we are talking about the same thing. I'm referring to what Damn Surfer said. In games like destiny, they don't give you a catch up mechanism if you didn't play the expansion. With the way they have it now, I was able to play legion in the last month and I was able to catch up enough to people that I wasn't super far behind for BFA. If they didn't have this system, I would be forced to play legion by myself slowly until I was high enough to finally play BFA.
Wow died when i stopped being able to tell how good a character was just by the gear it is wearing, e.g. not the skill but the performance based on how much effort they were willing to put in
This game doesnt feel like an MMORPG anymore...
That's actually super accurate
MMORPG - RPG = MMO -> BFA
@@cyberstonks not even mmo, sharding removed the "massive multi online", and when you actually have a lot of people the server lag and you cant fight properly.
Indeed, it's more a sum of android mini games now than a MMORPG
They adopted a MOBA style philosophy.
Wrath of the Lich King pre-LFG/LFR- RIP never forget
It was never the same after that.
6:30 "im recording this so make sure u guys play good" LUL
dies 1min later into the video LUL
3 times
RandomGuy the orbs res you so it doesn’t matter
Gonna toss in my 2 cents here even though its probably never going to be read.
The other problem with RNG and basically everyone having the same gear is that there is no reason not to quit/take a break. If you stop playing right this second, you can come back in 2 months or whatever and catch right back up with everyone who has been playing the whole time. After a week or even a few days back you can get your ilevel back to about where 70-80% of people are, then after another week or so (RNG willing) can get it back up to where 90-95% of people's ilevel is at. And the flip side of that coin is that the only reward you can possibly get for keeping playing, is a few more titan/warforged items which have stats that have been substantially nerfed for BFA. Is it really worth playing for months doing the same thing over and over to get a tiny, tiny benefit? There are rapidly diminishing returns for investing more time in the game.
When I played during Burning Crusade and WOTLK, I capped every currency, did every raid lockout. After a little while, there was no way a new player could just walk in to a raid and heal as much as me because I had been rewarded for my dedication. That is no longer the case. People can just spam world quests and warfront and get gear just as good as the vast majority of players. And now I have quit until I feel like playing again since there is no incentive or reward for playing over a long period of time anymore.
I think your answer is the answer to why blizzard is doing all this.
They want to promote the casual play style. Much more money is to be made there.
I feel sorry for the top x% playerbase, but you are not the target players for the devs (anymore).
@@Xorgye The problem with blizz catering to casuals is that they are casual. If blizz releases a product that sucks they will without a doubt leave in droves. Blizzard/Activision has catered to them because they want to make more money. If they can get more money from casuals through microtransactions, and have less subs then they are ok with that obviously. The problem is that it's like walking on a tightrope for them. If they continue to release terrible content. They will have the long time player leave, and the casuals which will severely hurt wow. Which I believe from everything I have seen recently is happening right now. They are trying to fix things, but it's like they are putting a bandaid on a cut off limb.
I read your post idiot
John people like asmongold are horrible with the gutter-speak they use. WoW is not a Skinner box or gambling.. bosses have always been “like” a slot machine.. this whole argument is stupid
@@elizabethlea27 I admit the game is a juggle to play. You have to carefully pick the tings to do, because if you follow the main road you get frustrated very quickly.
I love doing old content, achievements, pet battles... and in between I run the main content. But for a max of 2 hours because after that it gets repetitive and that isn't worth my time.
I miss the Justice badge system, it did feel like you had to work for some gear.
DAE miss spending their reddit karma on gear!?
I 100% do not miss the justice badge system. Or the Honor point spending system.
I strongly disagree. I loved feeling like I've worked toward something and can spend my rewards and efforts on what I WANT!
The badge/emblem system wasn't too bad, but I didn't like how it made earlier raids in an expansion more and more irrelevant over time. Also there was literally absolutely nothing wrong with the honor point system.
so they basically dumbed down everything to level new players with veterans?
Exactly.
I haven't played this game seriously since 2009 but I watched this video and appreciate your passion
You quit at a very good time actually xD
Release the Asmongold Cut of this video. I'd listen to you talk about this for 3 hours.
Just watch his stream, he does it every time :)
Its one cut bby
I quit early september and now im just wating for classic.... i hope classic gets more popular than the live servers so they see people liked the old systems and old game
that will be in years because its all about time-gating for them
It won't be a "fart in the wind". There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who have been playing Vanilla private servers since the inception of them. There is a very good chance that vanilla will have more people playing than retail.
Maybe for the first weeks, after that the classic server will be a ghost town.
Nope. People don't have the time or patience for wow 2nd life.
i would play choose Vanilla wow over BFA. I liked the old talent systems liked how the classes were made even tho it was very consuming but you got a reward for it not just sometihng you can do in matter of 30 mins the memories you'll get from leveling from 1-60 back then took months and i really loved that part of the game or heck even getting your first mount feels rewarding after you've spend so many hours / days to farm the gold for it
Complains about his channel not popping up on the search bar when he hasn’t posted in over 2 years LMAO
@@ChawkoSnap he doesnt post there,his editors
It made me sad as fuck to see the game I love and that I grew up with break down. I met my best reallife friends literally fuckin bloodbrothers over a discussion about WoW in a beverage store over 15 years ago. Let me tell you something. Nobody is talking about WoW in beverage stores anymore. (EDIT: okay guys I didnt really cry but it made me feel fuckin sad I wanted to emphasize it calm down it was very late xD) (EDIT2: I later met another reallife friend during Darkshore leveling, which is impossible now thanks to crossrealms.)
Cringy as fuck. The only thing worse then bfa is knowing that you literally cried because of bfa.
He cried because of the deterioration of the game and what the game meant to him growing up, as it helped introduce him to what are now his best friends. Just because he gave us a backstory and it holds sentimental value for him doesn't change the fact he fucking cried over a video game. I hope you're just baiting me right now, because you sound pretty stupid.
On a side note, imagine naming yourself tfw suicidal with that edgelord picture. Imagine being that attention seeking in youtube comments. Yikes.
George its actually you that sounds like stupid ass hole
Been playing wow since it came out and was amazed about how big it was and everything you did was adventure. Back than Blizzard treated this game like it was their own child in my opinion it seems after Cataclysm they slowly distanced themselves away till not even them can recognize it. Horrible to see something you love crash an burn but still to early to tell with us only about to be in 8.1 and assuming it goes to 8.4. Pray that the game will find some salvation and bring back the flame of love the players had for this game.
@Edwin Cardenas stop drinking lead, it's bad for you
Here's the issue. If I quit now, and then play again in 6 months, I'll be caught up to where active players are within a week. Oh that's fun... Classic is gonna be huge, I can't wait. I'd rather spend months trying to get to 60 having to eat every pull dying over and over than pull a lever for gear some more.
Yes this is true. In Legion i quit during EN and came back for Antorus and was 960 due to catch up mechanics in two weeks while all these other people at 960 were grinding their fingers to the bone prior to that.
I fear for the people that aren't prepared for classic though. Personally I played during vanilla so I know what to expect.
Lineage 2 released a *Classic* Version 2 weeks ago after 14 years as well.While the retail official server had hardly 5000 people total the classic server got 30.000 people back in the game from pure hype.So yeh judging from that i know that when Wow hits classic,it will draw SO MANY people, it may even make retail people angry
I felt this on the other end. While I was being active every patch and grinded so much for the end game gear, some dudes in the guild came back after months of being offline and had almost gained -20 my ilvl within a week or 2 of playing on evenings :/ It doesnt feel worth it to be elitist and to grind since some random noob you carry in a mythic+ might get a friggin titanforged item thats better than yours, teh carrier. It's so bad that it makes me laugh, ridiculous system.
Rangomal Vloudas Why would it make retail players angry? The only situation I can see it making them angry is if the more fanatical fanboy's see just how wrong the dev's are and that wont even matter because they will just go back to saying blizzard is perfect despite everything proving them wrong.
It all started with Activision. Just saying.
This is easy to say when the vast majority of WoW's lifespan is in a post-Activision merger environment. The merge happened in mid-2007. Everything from Zul'Aman onwards was made with Activision having merged with Blizzard. Sunwell Plateau, Ulduar, ICC, etc. Bad patches, great patches, and everything in-between. I think it's ridiculously naive to blame a bad expansion in 2014. or 2018 on a company decision made in... 2007. A decision that didn't even give Activision any authority over Blizzard's game development (hence MERGE not ACQUIRE).
People need to face the fact that it's really Blizzard themselves that are fucking up; not anyone else's fault.
Jep, wrath had the first store mount exactly 1,5 years after Blizz got bought out!
Yes Blizz got bought!! The only reason the name is ActivisionBlizzard is for the reputation and nothing else. If this was Activition buying any other studio there wouldn´t have been a name change!
Yuuuuuuuuuup. And all this RNG is just basic lootboxes. How lucky can you get. It's bullshit.
That's mr.Activision Blizzard for you
@John Doe Thank you. Can't believe people buy that line of horse crap
As a game designer, it infuriates me when people make arguments like: "This is just what happens with games like these..." It's flat-out wrong and intellectually lazy. The reason the game is the way it is is that someone designed it to be that way. Of course, players can have their own narrative and improvise off the system, but the system will ultimately dictate all possible experiences that occur within it. The true crime is that Blizzard has made over ten billion dollars in revenue from WoW alone and somehow manages to fuck things up still. $10,000,000,000 for just ONE of their games. They have the money to make and do whatever the hell they want. Why not be consistent? Why fuck things up? Look at what Runescape has done by streamlining player feedback into the games development process. Basically, nothing new gets made or changed in that game without solid feedback from the people actually playing it. Blizzard could easily design a system like this, and even make it mountains better with their experience and unending resources. It's just a real shame and total waste. Why would you want these things rattling around in your companies legacy when you can afford to always be the best.
As someone who quit wow after Cata and is now playing Osrs... The voting system is OS really gives the players the feeling its "our" game, and honestly being respected for your opinion creates a sense of loyalty to the game and the developers. Wow could learn a thing or two from the small company Jagex
@@nepenthesspectabilis1907 Honestly, they really could. Blizzard has a "we know what's best." problem, which coupled with the Activision takeover gives you a recipe for bad company culture and evolution.
@@naomi-nada "You think you do, but you don't" I went to a private sever the next day.
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YES I totally agree with you! This is not about “oh no one plays MMO’s these days. The fuck??? Look at Runescape. That game has been alive for more than a decade, it’s been popular and respected for almost 17 years. Runescape has never truly fallen out of favour; even with RS3. Blizzard should take a leaf (or many, preferably) out of Jagex’s book. Corporatism fucking sucks and should never never be mixed in with art. Profit kills creativity and WoW is a prime example of that. I played back in BC. I’ve played on and off for ages and each time I come back i genuinely become depressed at how everything is just LFR grind til max level then more meaningless grind for RNG. There is no sense of fulfilment and achievement anymore. “Hardcore” neckbeard sort of players was what truly made the game great. Blizzard should stop catering to casual noobs that don’t even care for the game or it’s mechanics.
it's dem shareholders bro. The gaming industry is becoming more and more like every other industry, beholden to greedy shareholders who don't care a jot for customer satisfaction. Profit is king.
Battle For Las Vegas
Blackjack for azeroth
bump+ HAHAHA
Its not the old blizzard anymore, its Activision running the game
Yeah, Activision acquired Blizzard 10 years ago, and with WotLK (despite being a popular expansion) the problems already started to show, when WotLK was rushed to some degree (no Azjol Nerub expansion, no Gundrak raid, all raids except Ulduar and ICC had either an extremely lackluster design or had been recycled outright).
Before I used to think that was load of bullshit. But now I'm not so sure anymore. With all these dopamine-filled RNG systems it wouldn't surprise me that Activision has taken over completely.
This is too true, Activision butchered your friend Blizzard and are wearing there face selling there products. Just feeding off our Nostalgia.
Hey guys pss.. Do you want to know how to act upon such behavior ? That is the secret that is kept in the Buddist temple somewhere in Tibet, and I saw it when I was high af from eating too much Avocado... but fuck the backstory, I will tell you the secret on how to save WoW from falling into the pit, ok, hear me out because I will not repeat myself as Avocado slowly loads back into my psyche:
JUST DONT PLAY THE GAME AND QUIT SUBSCRIPTION.
Ya, exactly, crazy idea right ? How you want to to wake up lunatic ? By looking at him and asking what is going on ? OR BY SLAPPING HIS FACE with an open palm?
Look, that is the next crazy Idea that I saw in dream (this time It was Mango instead of Avacado, you know Mango got much better CEV's than Avacdo).
IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GAME, AND YOU CONTINUOUSLY ARE PAYING FOR IT, YOU CAN CONGRATULATE YOURSELF because you are the very reason why this game stopped being fun anymore.
And ya boi Asmon is telling 100% truth, and ya all know it, and ya all are ignored since Warlords of Dreanor, and ya all will be still ignored, because players never seem to understand how much they can change by stopping supporting their banks account. Big companies doesn't look at forums, that are looking at Bank account balance, and if they see increase or at least resonable income, than they think that people seem to like being ignored, and thus why they will keep doin that. Look at Path of Exile, and how developers are active among community, and how they talk with the community on streams, and how they care about our feedback, and even recently, they bring to life a Path of Exile community memes to existence. Its pretty good to be playing this game you know, I feel, like a developer is actually devoted into his piece of code. Ya, I recommend you to check that out, but be careful, you may be overwhelmed by the fact of how active people are here on global chat, and how ONLINE you can feel by playing this game, because for me, World of Warcraft stopped being Online game, because nobody is talking on chat, nobody is goofing around, nobody is taking care of ANYTHING in this game anymore. It is just an single player game with possibility to group up with people, that among this sick WoW community is considered as "PUG" or whatever thats mean, and that is only because It is someone from the group finder. Look at your game, and what it becomes. Look at it and ask yourself what you are actually doing for the love of God? You are playing online game only to mostly communicate with 10-20 people from your guild, and rest of the people treat as NPCs ? Because that how this game feels like, beside maybe on RP servers, there you can feel like being closed with group of very talkactive people with the bi polar syndrome and weird affection over one Tavern in the forest.
WoW is dead, community there is dead, and the developers doesn't care about the game, they care about the $$$.
Now, log back in to WoW, and play your game that has no reason, and complain about how it slowly decay, as It will never be good again.
100% True, but cracks had already started to show ahead of TBC. TBC set the foundation to how following expansions would work, ruining the powerful core gameplay of vanilla. Was pretty obvious to me when I finally got my hands on Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty that I was playing an Activision product.
It had to come to this. It was predictable. All the changes that they made over time, one expansion after another, bit by bit, removing the core systems that made this an MMORPG, an epic and massive multiplayer RPG, into a hollow shell of a game, that's no more than a pointless, endless RNG grind, without any sort of fulfillment.
It's sad though to see the dev team deflecting all these issues, comparable to a bunch of lawyers in court, pretending there's nothing wrong and all is well. It's us who don't know, who don't understand.
I completely lost faith in this game and this dev team, all I can think of right now and here I seriously hope the ones responsible don't screw up, is with classic. Classic will come, hopefully soon, and we will finally have a proper MMORPG to play.
Assuming they focus on making Classic feel as _classic_ as possible, yes. It will be incredible.
Sadly I have the feeling it'll fail because it'll be heavily monetised, or just fucked up for no reason.
I disagree. If there's fulfillment, it's not pointless. This is a game after all, a piece of entertainment, so when you get into it, you expect to have some fun, a good time. Now that's all subjective but from what I see, reading opinions on the Internet, talking with friends who played back them, the general consensus is that there was fulfillment in vanilla. Mostly because the game was flat out hard and you had clear objectives, objectives that once completed would give you joy and fulfillment. Getting your first mount (after saving up all your gold because it was scarce); reaching max lvl; getting that badass piece of armor you saw some dude wearing while you were roaming around the world. Among many other small things.
The freaking feeling of progression, feeling stronger as you level up. The ability to put talents wherever you want. Like, how can you have an RPG in which there's no sense of progression, of customization. Everyone looks the same, everyone is the same. This is no longer an MMORPG, it's an MMOG. Bloody Spider-Man on PS4 has talent trees deeper than WoW's and here we are, 14 years after launch with those dumbed down talents that might as well not be there at all. It's pathetic.
I'm not saying though vanilla wasn't a grind, or frustrating, because it was, of course it was. What I am saying is that, that grind made sense because you had an objective, a clear objective ahead of you, that was hard, but reachable and the world was freaking relentless on you. It's not like now, a walk in the park. The epic aspect of WoW was stripped away and that's a shame.
Sure MMORPG's are time consuming, but it's always up to the player to manage the time spent online. And even though I'm very much looking forward to classic, I'm not the same person I was 13 or 14 years ago. Life changed and I will adapt the game to my life and not the other way around. All I ask is for them to deliver the game as it was, at its core, with flaws no doubt, but with quality.
GIVE ME PVP VENDORS BACK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
yea i dont even know why they had to remove them so pointless. Oh you like pvp vendors ? Fine we remove them lul
PvP vendors would make conquest points fun... I don't like being told what my next gear piece is going to be.
@@Ryan_hey yup especially that I get dagger not for mine spec just yea super fun
look the whole thing with the removed pvp vendors is that you are kinda forced to to mythics and raids. That just wasnt the case back in the day. All i did was log in, fuck some idiots and get my gear. And that was all i cared about. Now i have to do mythics and raids and all that shit. I dont give a single fuck about pve and now they force me to do it.
I've cancelled my sub multiple times but I always end up coming back and enjoying a new xpac when it hits. This is the only time I've ever played a new xpac, didn't have fun and cancelled within the month. I knew it was bad when day 4 I realized I hadn't even logged in the day before. It took me almost 2 weeks just to make it to 120.
I didn't even make it to 120 before I cancelled my sub. It's really sad because this game holds such a dear place in my heart and I can't even be bothered to spend time on it.
8.2 is not luring me in. I only trust the Classic team now, and that’s an uneasy trust.
Never understood why they removed reforging
AverageViking bring back reforging, old socket system , glyphs , and a better talent system , also cut the god damn theme park gameplay
I did arena mostly, but I got some raiding gear for World PvP (MoP - pvp gear capped at 550 ilvl) and I always liked reforging because you could tweak tank items for dps since there was overlap. Neat feature that didn't need to be removed.
Who knows.
Why did they homogenize buffs and destroy class identity so long ago? Why add LFR?
AverageViking none of us do.
Also, ban the asinine mini-games (like saving turtles, playing memory and solving mazes)
Activision is taking over blizzard
Blizzard have been taken already. BfA its not a blizzard expansion. its an Activision expansion
Welcome to 2007. This game is a work simulator and babysitter .
Activision games are slot machines...
This is Blizzard, not activision.
Its activision in disguise
U right
I really miss this Asmongold. I don't want to watch him reacting to some irrelevant form of drama or dogshit Mmos like Lost arc, FFXIV or Towers of fantasy.
Just him ranting about wow with Mcconell
The drama stuff is what got me into him. I think it's more entertaining
@@AuditorMadness I’m sorry for you then
@@DerSchalker97 Usually, people say sorry to those who are unhappy. I'm happy with the content he's pumping out, so I'll say the same to you.
@@AuditorMadness nah I’m sorry for you missing out on the old Asmon and his og content what made him famous
@@DerSchalker97 it's not lost media to miss out on, I can just find and watch them, but I don’t since it's not my thing. Asmon also went trending because of the recent reviews he does on random topics, that's how I and many people I know started to know him and share his vids around, while his old content is for specifically WOW and alike type of fans which isn't as big of an audience as the general topics right now.
Who else canceled their subscription? Like this if you did.
Yeah, witcher 3 instead. So many other good games coming out too.
unsubbed a couple weeks ago. But when I quit, there wasn't a survey or questionnaire about why I quit. Did they stop doing that?
Minted Cow probably because Blizzard got tired of reading nothing but toxic waste on the questionnaire. Lmao. I quit as well, I’ll just wait for 8.1, make one subscription payment to give myself a month if i like it and decide from there. I refuse to pay $15 a month for an incomplete game
mine expired last week. I'm having a GREAT time in Monster Hunter World, and I feel rewarded everytime i do something when i play. Been playing wow non-stop since Cata.
I let 20+ days of game time just expire. No desire to continue playing.
Main a shaman since BC, made it to 118 before I realized that I just paid for an incomplete beta of an experience and canceled my account, I'm not paying 15 a month to wait for them to fix my class. it's a company issue with blizzard, the same complaints about blizzard you're voicing here is the same that the OW community is voicing.
I remember a friend of mine maining a shaman back in WOTLK stopped playing back then after they borked Enhancement. I don't remember the specific details though.
but suicidewatch is absolute garbage where premades are being pandered to to shit on solo players. Always has been.
I quit playing because they dumbed down warriors so much
Completely 100% agree. I quit during the pre-launch event because I hated the new direction - GCD, they dumbed down my class and made it not fun to play anymore, they even totally changed the UI which is something for 14 years they had huge debates about when even changing just a tiny part of it like the keyring... you could tell that they were changing fundamental things they should not be messing with...
GCD changes is one of the worst things they added this expansion, about the UI i dont really care cause i never use the stock UI cause it sucks for raiding anw.
yea I know but the GCD and UI changes are both like a symbol of longstanding core features in WoW that Blizzard just thoughtlessly revamped... there was no good reason for changing either of them, or for pruning the classes further... it's like they're changing the recipe of what made WoW successful and for no reason...
@@ultimatesin3544 yes yes i completely agree with you i am not defending them in the slightest bit. They fucked up really bad with this expansion in so many ways...
Don´t forget guys they took spells/talents away from us in WoD too. It´s not like that´s some recent trend!
@@Spinexus we are only losing stuff in every expansion since WoD. In the end the only thing we will have to use in order to dps is left and right mouse buttons.
HAHAHHAHAHA 1 MILLION VIEWS SOON HERE FROM CLASSIC WOW BETA TWITCH.
it's been a while
Yep me too. Havnt player wow since wod but the classic hype has me going again. Lol