"Oh no... every time you turn up, something monumental and terrible happens. I don't think I have the stomach for it." It's funny that Raziel has been pursuing Kain through time in search of vengeance, but by now he's just plain sick of Kain's shit. Doubly funny when you remember Raziel doesn't "have the stomach" for _anything._
I just love how Raziel is so profound and intelligent, but at the same time a smartass. Their personalities mesh rather well considering Kain isn't one to be humorous and more leans on the serious side of things. I could see Raziel more lightening the mood back before everything happened, their relationship being complex but a trusting one because both could give each other shit in equal turn.
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@@jimhuffman9434 Yea that's one irony of the scene, the one pulling the unseen strings was always the Elder God, and Raz shoulda made some mention of that to Kain....
This was a fantastic scene. It's the first time Raziel and Kain talk without Raz's righteous demands for revenge overshadowing the conversation. And I love Raziel's flippant sarcasm throughout. I wonder if this is more like a conversation he and Kain would have had in private back when he was the favored son? And I loved Raziel's personality throughout these games. He always latched on to anything that gave him meaning. First he was the greatest of Kain's lieutenants. Then he clung to the imagined righteousness of the Saraphan. After that it was a bit less clear but I think he planted his flag on the idea of being some champion of the ancient vampires until he learned they worshipped his "Former Master."
@@Synthonym And in the end, he finds peace when he realizes what he has to do in Defiance to help Kain fulfill his destiny as Scion of Balance. As well as his acceptance as both champions, aka redeemer as the vampire champion, and destroyer as the Hylden champion.
@Gabriel666 sparda Actually without blood enhancement Kain tanked sunlight like a boss as fledgling vampires are devastated by the sunlight's touch but I think what saved him from that was Janos's heart
Kain and Raziel's relationship in this game is so brilliant, sharing knowledge with one another and Raziel sharing wit with him whilst still having an underlying element of hatred... But I suppose it all plays in Kain's favour, still, it's marvellous! :D
it plays their intertaction just perfectly at this point of the story raziel clearly knows that Kain has information he doesnt and is acting upon it, Raziel wants ot understand what's going on and for his interests its better ot listen to Kain here.
Kain is easily the most well-written, complex, and compelling video game character in existence. He and his cohorts deserve far better than to be consigned to the void the Legacy of Kain series has languished in. Can you imagine how things would be if the LoK series gameplay was as good as the writing?
back in the day, it was good, you cant compare a gameplay from a 2001 game to modern games,devil may cry 1 was released in the same year as soul reaver 2, back in the day that was awesome, but if you play it today, its quite clunky.
god of war has similar story beats when it comes to destiny and free will but the family story beats that god of war has with kratos greek and norse family is a dynamic that captures people more so than legacy of kain as LoK is lacking in that
@@ericocccams5865 No it has extremely base levels of "mythology" Like a completely diluted version for the "cod" player. Most fans of god of war probably couldn't handle the whole narrative and nuances in LOK
I know what you mean, but these days everything has to be spoon fed to the player: people complain about Eldin Ring's story and it's really teh first souls game to say "HEY you're this, go do that" compared to the others taht just drop you and drip feed you. I imagine vampires that don't sparkle aren't very woke either.
Well I hear Soul Reaver is potentially getting a remake. They sent out a survey to see if fans would still be interested. The developer claimed such surveys they send out usually receive no more than a few thousand responses. But that the Legacy of Kain survey received more than 100,000.
+France Hopper, I dunno didn't raziel just inhabit a physical body? It would prolly be like the carcass just died, and the player who is playing raziel would travel to the spectral realm
Christian Alfaro that’s what I’m thinking. Since time is weird in the spectral plane, Raziel traveling from one spot to another through there is essentially the same as teleportation
Legacy of kain is a big plothole since time stops in spirit realm kain shouldn't have been able to get to raziel in defiance .. now some emo kid wouldn't like that fact and would try and say NO TIME DOESN't STOp
"I don't think I have the stomach for it" Lol intended pun? I wonder if Raziel intended for it to be a pun, I wonder if Raziel has some kind of sick, sense of humor haha.
"I'm beginning to think the vampires commit d suicide to escape your voice." "And if I tell Moebious that he's worshipping a giant squid, you think his faith will falter?" -Raziel to Elder God "You're a wretched being" "Apparently I am" - Raziel to himself from the past Yep, he can be very sarcastic
I think this may be my favorite interaction between Raziel and Kain in the series. It seems more like banter than previous conversations. The voice actors and writing really shine here. They do a great job of establishing the relationship between Raziel and Kain.
KuroNoTenno They ended it properly. Elder God showed his true nature, Kain was purified. Sure, we haven't seen what "hope" had Raziel's actions left, but if they ever did a sequel to Defiance, they "proper" ending wouldn't satisfy everyone.
In my opinion, the end of Defiance wasn't a proper ending per se... it was another "to be continued" type of ending. So I personally don't consider that proper.
ISetYourFaceOnFire this and the meeting of Raziel and vorador really stand out to me. amazing that such old technology has yet to me to surpass what can be provided by good writing and excellent delivery. even graphically the slight raising of eyebrows and narrowing of mouth. this was an example of people who cared deeply about what they were making
Dark prophesy would be another blood omen2 ,we know kain will meet janos and we know kain will defeat the hylden lord ,remember defiance ended on the destruction of the pillars which sets up the event of blood onen2 since janos possessed bu hylden is set free.
@@funnyman695 He admitted to his lack of understanding, which by itself is a sign of wisdom. You putting this on equal with "admitting to being dumb" proved your ignorance.
For those wondering, why it wouldn't be better if Kain sacrificed himself: The pillars were raised by vampires, and only vampires can truly preserve them. A guardian was chosen at the moment of his birth. Because no new vampires were born, vampires bestowed the dark gift on the humans, that were supposed to serve the pillars. Later, even human became the guardians. But without vampires, the pillars would one day collapse, and Kain was the last vampire.
@@NightWanderer31415Well... he did know that events were manipulated to make him the last vampire and for that outcome. I don't think it was just a selfish decision. It was more like not resigning to the fate clearly orchestrated for him. He chose to fight it rather than naively give in to it.
@@NightWanderer31415have you played blood omen? Kain wasn't all "I don't wanna die", by the end, he'd just been so thoroughly manipulated by mobius, mortaneus and ariel that he hardly saw much worth saving. Plus, he was still corrupted from nuptator. Even in blood omen, kain was never such a simplistic character than that.
Soul Reaver is a property that really deserves its own Castlevania esc animated series (drawn or CGI) if anyone could capture the poetic pentameter of this wordplay then they'd have something special on their hands
i love this series taught me some interesting words. i remember when i heard Raziel say the word Machinations i was like, what? I wish new games gave this much attention to acting and dialogue.
I would love to go back and play these game. Every time I watch a cut scene I realize something new. Like how Kain know it's the Hylden pulling the strings and never tell Raziel until crux comes back to kick him in the balls like a freight train. Or like how the conclusion of Defiance. Puts us right back at the events of where we free Janos from the machine feeding this bio weapon his blood. Or how the Hylden might be totally innocent(Kinda) and justified in wanting to wipe out Nosgoth, due to the elder god.
Steam has thr latter 3 games, and the first two can be found online (I forget how but I've found both a few years back). And I mean legally not pirated.
whoever you are thanks for uploading these, this is my favorite game series of all time and imho the best video game series ever made. i'm almost glad it was discontinued tho cause in todays gaming industry i doubt they could ever design another sequel to truly do it justice much less keep the original dark, almost depressing tone each chapter in the series had. simply put: they don't know how to make games like this anymore, which is a shame but true nonetheless. subbed.
What this game doesnt touch on is the decades and possible centuries Kain spent preparing to find out what era Raziel was in while also preparing dramatic introductions.
No, they covered that in the intro cutscene. “Eternity is relentless, Raziel. When I first stole into this chamber, centuries ago, I did not fathom the true power of knowledge. To know the future, Raziel - to see its paths and streams tracing out into the infinite... As a man, I could never have contained such forbidden truths.”
thats the thing raziel has free will outside of time and destiny becuase he's a paradox hes a Soul who wields his own soul from another time bound to him as a weapon this allows raziel to make decision that would normally not be allowed by the "grandfather" paradox theory becuase he is simply put Not supposed to exist and thats why the forces that be did whatever they did to the physical soul reaver to be raziels prison they cannot destroy him and they cannot contain him so he has to be imprisoned Kain is aware of this and that is why he is avoiding confrontation with raziel Yes raziel can kill kain but kain can also be raziels jailor
its one of those situation where he assumed Kain Knew since they both are aware at the very least of the whole deal with the Wheel of Fate, Raziel wasnt aware that no one else other than himself and moebius could perceive the Elder God until the very end of Defiance.
@@mahguvnah7403 he surely knew he existed but indeed couldnt see it. whihc also beg a sorta funny interaction if Raziel the EG and Kain were ever in the same location before the end of Defiance with Raziel gonig with the equivalent of "do you seriously not see this fcker right here?"
it took my a very long time to make this connection (although i could be dead wrong but hear ya boi out tho) but i like to think this scene is taking place before the events of SR1and this kain is the original one before he throws raziel into the abyss. hes more caring towards raziel and his plight and even tries to divulge info to help him on his quest(not saying SR2 kain isnt but its more evident here during this scene) this would make sense since he has access to mobius's time streaming chamber during this time and would foresee all these events as theyre unfolding, which is why he throws him into the abyss in the first place which he implied in SR 1. ive been playing this series for YEARS and everytime i revisit it, think of and find new details about it, what a fucking masterpiece
I'm pretty sure Kain never loathed raziel. He provoced him to let the events of sr1 unfold, but when that was done, he could finally drop the sharade. When they met at the pillars, Kain didn't say he hated him. He said Raziel can hate him IF he's sincere about it. In Defiance Kain is shocked when Moebius turns out to be his son and immediately tries to pull his sword out. They truly are wanderers on the path of destiny. And I'm sure Kain likes his sweet baby boy (to quote Zephons implications).
not even they are sure of it. as raziel puts it in defiance: they are all playing the same game, but all sides are taking claim ot the same pawn. the " they" essentially boils down to all the palyers that have a vested interest in seeing nosgoth Fall: the Elder god and The Hylden.
@@Teixas666 I wouldn't say that the Elder God would want to see Nosgoth fall exactly, he's more of a voracious parasite feeding off of every soul that passes into the afterlife hence why he manipulates events unseen (remember; he's practically invisible to all but a select few such as Raziel for example) calculating all the chances that lives will be lost so he won't go hungry. And if he suspected for one instant that destroying Nosgoth would feed his appetite for souls, he'd do it in an instant. In that regard, he's like Varney/Death from the Netflix Castlevania series where he manipulated everything so that he could feed on the lifeforce of every living being since the dawn of time.
one hand you got the Hylden the other Hand is the Elder God eahc has their own plan and they dont see eye ot eye but it just os happens realizing one's plan happens ot also realize the other, but they dont ally, they just...exist..
Kain: "Or maybe he merely hoped that it would harden your heart against me, to see this wasteland which I single-handedly authored." Raziel: "That makes no sense, because the state of Nosgoth was worse in the last game."
No he traveled through time. If he waited years (especially millenia) he would transform to a beast like (melchioh, turel etc) due to his corruption Plus Raziel already mentions it at 1:10
god damn it do I want a Console HD release of these games, if no other reason but to be able to play these wonderful games again, I got the first one on GOG but it offered no controller support....and these mid era platformers still didn't quite figure out camera and movement controls so a keyboard isn't a great choice.
@supremeo Yep. When you first step out of your crypt in BO1, it's raining, and you take constant damage - the blood fountain saves you from that, but you still can't suffer full submersion.
@Arkryder 52 no this kain followed him in time because this kain should be already dead. Raziel should have killed him in the past but he decided to spare kain and caused a paradox. That is why this kain never should could see everything happening in the future
Ironically since Kain introduced Raz to the Chronoplast in SR1, as well as his reasonable accuracy[getting to the pillars at the right time, and to meet Raz at the aerie], it now strikes a false chord that Kain didn't just take Raz to and into the Chronoplast to get to and meet Janos maybe years before his death..... Even though it's a game and they wanted you to piss around, Kain saying you must find your own way back through time is a straight lie.
@@paimon6286 And always ended being the essence of the Reaver. What differs in this point is only when, because at first he would be consumed right after the killing of his human self, but as of the third paradox (when Kain saved him - because of the second paradox when Raziel spared Kain) it was delayed to that point in Defiance, thus fulfilling the prophecy.
This should be the Kain that followed the original SR2 timeline - having not saved Raziel from the Reaver and possessing the Soul Reaver; that's my assumption, at least. If it were the younger Kain in this time period, he would be less knowledgeable of past events (in theory; we don't know exactly when he discovers the Chronoplast chamber and its knowledge) and should also look different - more like the BO2 Kain.
Forgive me for resurrecting a 10 year old comment , but I just wanted to say that the Kain that appears here is indeed the same one that Raziel has been chasing from the start. This meeting between the two has never occurred before, since this was the first time in the time loop that Raziel spared Kain, back in William's chapel
Wow, that... kind of hurts my brain. The ancient vampires worshipped the Elder God and the wheel of fate. The Hylden cursed the ancient vampires with immortality and bloodlust, "releasing" them from the Wheel, causing them to fall from the Elder God's favor, causing their madness and ultimate fall from grace. This was their masterstroke as the ancient vampires damned them to the demon realm with the pillars sealing their tomb.
Or it's evidence that it's the same Kain that's been following Raziel throughout time. Hell, he even travels further into the past to meet with him for the climax.
I still can't believe that Amy is the same person who was behind LoK's lore *and* a ridiculously cliché interactive movie like Uncharted. Like, either she completely lost her touch, or money really does bad things. Or perhaps both.
I am a little baffled how Raziel does not believe that the Elder is the him and the they are not the true enemy. I mean Kain I understand but Raziel why did he enormously underestimate the Elder god
the reason kain doesnt go up in smoke is explained briefly in SR1 as vampires age they become more resistant to sunlight and water although only instances like rahab actually become immune to it. theres a difference between rain and complete submersion in water. it would be like being hit by the occasional spark compared to jumping into a bonfire
Because Raziel and Kain's destinys are so closely intertwined and ones actions effects the other so drastically that Raziel's story must be told. Raziel also being Kain's first son and "creation", he's such an important part of the story. Similar to how they follow the villian in action movies.
it's incredible how much time pass before Raziel understand than him AND ONLY HIM can see Elder God, the true enemy. He can't imagine that Kain doesn't know who's the enemy cause he was blind.... 'till very end of Defiance
The "Blood of Ages" if memory serves correctly. Personally, I just took that to mean that his journey had taken some time and he grew naturally stronger and more resilient during it's passage. SR showing that vamps change over time supports this idea as does the fountains' name("Blood of Ages"). Hell, most vamps can even move about in indirect sunlight in SR1 so it could just be a natural resistance gained over time.
Notice how the soul reaver series is called *The Legacy of Kain *soul reaver, soul reaver 2 and Defiance* but, The other series Blood Omen, is called *Blood omen (the legacy of kain series), Blood omen 2 (legacy of kain series) so the soul reaver series is *Kains Legacy* and blood omen series is where he begins his journey, forging that will in the future be, the soul reaver series.
This wasn't even recorded on an emulator... this is the native PC version, which has its own host of audio problems. :( It was also 15 years ago, though, so game recording software wasn't exactly top tier.
@@Joudas oh that's crazy, I played it a year or two ago on pcsx2 and I remember having similar music glitches to what it sounds like is in the background where it bugs out and loses half of its instruments
actually he did it because he knew who is Raziel, he planned all this before Raziel was raised as a vampire, even when Raziel finds Pillars Kain says that all this was planned and he says that he counted on Raziel anger so that he would follow him into the past.
yes sir he did! im not insulting anyone, but this story can be long and every detail that is given during each event has strong explanations. Even the most minor hints such as "rain" give reason as to why things are what they are. Crystal Dynamics payed very close attention to detail on a lot of things, but there are few things that have yet to have answers
Although even the influence of the Hylden was overstepped by both. Remember that, in the end of SR2, the new memories springing inside Kain's mind revealed him the true play they were acting in. I think many things would have been averted should Raziel and Kain had begun to work side by side as early as this moment. But perhaps, their destinies would no longer be at hand, for maybe, Raziel would have never entered the Reaver then. D.R.
Before. It's actually still the past(SR1 takes place a millennium after Kain creates his vamp children/lieutenants...this is only a few centuries after Blood Omen), but is the future from the period Raziel initially ends up in at the beginning of SR2.
And the Elder God became hungry, because his wheel would no longer turn. Thats why he needed Raziel too feed him, in a never ending circle. Thats what I think..
"Oh no... every time you turn up, something monumental and terrible happens. I don't think I have the stomach for it." It's funny that Raziel has been pursuing Kain through time in search of vengeance, but by now he's just plain sick of Kain's shit. Doubly funny when you remember Raziel doesn't "have the stomach" for _anything._
Raziel basically needed Xanax badly!!😆
Even Kain find it funny
No drama this time Raziel
Its also funny because raziel does not have a stomach for real. I imagine Amy giggled when she wrote that line 🤣
I just love how Raziel is so profound and intelligent, but at the same time a smartass. Their personalities mesh rather well considering Kain isn't one to be humorous and more leans on the serious side of things. I could see Raziel more lightening the mood back before everything happened, their relationship being complex but a trusting one because both could give each other shit in equal turn.
love how Kain although turned vampire still holds that noble and aristocratic way of talking ( ty Simon Templeman for the extraordinary voice acting)
Well what does change being a vampire? If u would turned to one u would change ur way of speaking?
In all fairness, Kain was always an arrogant noble, even in life.
@@UndyingWladeslaus Yep. Died unmourned. The only person who regretted Kain's death was probably the grave digger who probably wanted to stay home.
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01:07
Kain: "No drama this time, Raziel."
Raziel: *Blood-lust intensifies*
Raziel's head bobs in light speed while Kain walks near him.
Kain: *shows up*
Raziel: Aw shit! Here we go again...
@@Natakupl Raziel was probably thinking "I don't know who's more annoying you (Kain) or the Elder God"
@@jimhuffman9434 Yea that's one irony of the scene, the one pulling the unseen strings was always the Elder God, and Raz shoulda made some mention of that to Kain....
In certain way, what we see is a father trying to put some sense into the head of a stubborn son.
This was a fantastic scene. It's the first time Raziel and Kain talk without Raz's righteous demands for revenge overshadowing the conversation. And I love Raziel's flippant sarcasm throughout. I wonder if this is more like a conversation he and Kain would have had in private back when he was the favored son?
And I loved Raziel's personality throughout these games. He always latched on to anything that gave him meaning. First he was the greatest of Kain's lieutenants. Then he clung to the imagined righteousness of the Saraphan. After that it was a bit less clear but I think he planted his flag on the idea of being some champion of the ancient vampires until he learned they worshipped his "Former Master."
And it only gets worse as the truth and meaninglessness of each phase of his life was revealed to him
@@Synthonym And in the end, he finds peace when he realizes what he has to do in Defiance to help Kain fulfill his destiny as Scion of Balance. As well as his acceptance as both champions, aka redeemer as the vampire champion, and destroyer as the Hylden champion.
And in the end, he literally became a tool, a weapon, whose meaning is dictated by its wielder. It's poetic and ironic.
@@alexanderstilianov what a game this was to be honest, i miss it
@@BryonYoungblood make you wonder how well kain would take that, since Raziel sacrifice is the one thing he didnt expect to do.
For those curious about Kain and rain - in Blood Omen 1 Kain gains immunity to damage from rain when he drank from one of the blood fountains.
Both Rain and Snow
@Gabriel666 sparda Actually without blood enhancement Kain tanked sunlight like a boss as fledgling vampires are devastated by the sunlight's touch but I think what saved him from that was Janos's heart
Thanks for that I was wondering.
@@NomaranTheAlchemist Kain was much weaker in sunlight though. He was strongest on the full moon in werewolf form.
"The rain will do you no hard, for our blood preserves"
"I don't think I have the stomach for it."
I don't think you have a stomach for anything Raziel.
James Carmichael That was the point dude... The dialogue between them two are always clever.
Lmao
If nothing else we know Kain will now win any and all of their drinking games XD
Kain and Raziel's relationship in this game is so brilliant, sharing knowledge with one another and Raziel sharing wit with him whilst still having an underlying element of hatred... But I suppose it all plays in Kain's favour, still, it's marvellous! :D
it plays their intertaction just perfectly
at this point of the story raziel clearly knows that Kain has information he doesnt and is acting upon it, Raziel wants ot understand what's going on and for his interests its better ot listen to Kain here.
Kain is easily the most well-written, complex, and compelling video game character in existence. He and his cohorts deserve far better than to be consigned to the void the Legacy of Kain series has languished in.
Can you imagine how things would be if the LoK series gameplay was as good as the writing?
I imagine that the development of video games in general would have taken a very different path.
back in the day, it was good, you cant compare a gameplay from a 2001 game to modern games,devil may cry 1 was released in the same year as soul reaver 2, back in the day that was awesome, but if you play it today, its quite clunky.
legacy of kain would dethrone god of war as the most popular game IP
god of war has similar story beats when it comes to destiny and free will but the family story beats that god of war has with kratos greek and norse family is a dynamic that captures people more so than
legacy of kain as LoK is lacking in that
@@ericocccams5865 No it has extremely base levels of "mythology" Like a completely diluted version for the "cod" player. Most fans of god of war probably couldn't handle the whole narrative and nuances in LOK
I've listened to these dialogues over and over again, yet I still fail to get sick of it. I would kill for a remake of this series.
I know what you mean, but these days everything has to be spoon fed to the player: people complain about Eldin Ring's story and it's really teh first souls game to say "HEY you're this, go do that" compared to the others taht just drop you and drip feed you.
I imagine vampires that don't sparkle aren't very woke either.
To clarify I love the LOK and the more complex narratives in games like it.
Well I hear Soul Reaver is potentially getting a remake. They sent out a survey to see if fans would still be interested.
The developer claimed such surveys they send out usually receive no more than a few thousand responses. But that the Legacy of Kain survey received more than 100,000.
I don't really want a remake. I would prefer a full remaster. The voice acting is just too perfect to replace with new voices.
I'd pay 100$ for it.
It's funny how everyone else that's not YOU the player, can teleport and dissappear whenever
+France Hopper, I dunno didn't raziel just inhabit a physical body? It would prolly be like the carcass just died, and the player who is playing raziel would travel to the spectral realm
Probably what it looks like to other characters when Raziel switches planes.
Christian Alfaro that’s what I’m thinking. Since time is weird in the spectral plane, Raziel traveling from one spot to another through there is essentially the same as teleportation
Legacy of kain is a big plothole since time stops in spirit realm kain shouldn't have been able to get to raziel in defiance .. now some emo kid wouldn't like that fact and would try and say NO TIME DOESN't STOp
*walks across an entire planet*
*Kain appears across time exactly where you are*
YOUR PAWN HAS REACHED THE END OF THE BOARD, KAIN.
well... that was strangely civil
To be fair at this point Moebius did basically took a huge shit in his cheerios by stranding him in Nosgoth's decayed future.
Truly, no drama this time.
They just don't make games like this today....
Games? they make interactive movies nowdays
That's the problem. They focus too much on the 'video' part they neglect the 'game' part.
Writers are completely inept pussies these days, so you can't even expect good story anymore.
Why are you all lying?
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"I don't think I have the stomach for it" Lol intended pun? I wonder if Raziel intended for it to be a pun, I wonder if Raziel has some kind of sick, sense of humor haha.
he actually has. he's sarcastic, and ironic.
since soul reaver 1 , Raziel is a good rival to kain, in the likable antihero department.
"I'm beginning to think the vampires commit d suicide to escape your voice."
"And if I tell Moebious that he's worshipping a giant squid, you think his faith will falter?" -Raziel to Elder God
"You're a wretched being"
"Apparently I am" - Raziel to himself from the past
Yep, he can be very sarcastic
He's very sarcastic, especially in the german version of this game. The voice actor for Raziel was always acting for villians in movies.
@@Inujasa88 how could u play it in other language than English every voice actor is inferior to original
@@killert41 Russian localization was pretty good though. And usually I hate those.
I think this may be my favorite interaction between Raziel and Kain in the series. It seems more like banter than previous conversations. The voice actors and writing really shine here. They do a great job of establishing the relationship between Raziel and Kain.
1:08
Kain: "No drama this time Raziel."
Raziel: "NOPE-NOPE-NOPE-NOPE"
I wish they ended the story properly.
Also, I see what Raziel did with "stomach" speach.
+KuroNoTenno whaat? I didn't understand it :'(
estomnetempus Which part of what I said you didn't get?
KuroNoTenno They ended it properly. Elder God showed his true nature, Kain was purified. Sure, we haven't seen what "hope" had Raziel's actions left, but if they ever did a sequel to Defiance, they "proper" ending wouldn't satisfy everyone.
In my opinion, the end of Defiance wasn't a proper ending per se... it was another "to be continued" type of ending. So I personally don't consider that proper.
There was actually going to be a sequel to Defiance called "The Dark Prophecy," but then it got canceled :(
This game, in my opinion still has the best voice acting in video game history, and the dialogue is not bad either.
ISetYourFaceOnFire this and the meeting of Raziel and vorador really stand out to me. amazing that such old technology has yet to me to surpass what can be provided by good writing and excellent delivery. even graphically the slight raising of eyebrows and narrowing of mouth. this was an example of people who cared deeply about what they were making
That The Dark Prophecy was canceled seems to me a legitimate tragedy; this is my favourite story.
Dark prophesy would be another blood omen2 ,we know kain will meet janos and we know kain will defeat the hylden lord ,remember defiance ended on the destruction of the pillars which sets up the event of blood onen2 since janos possessed bu hylden is set free.
"I don't think I have the stomach for it." ~Raziel
Dude, you literally have no stomach, or intestines.
That was the point...
That's why people like you shouldn't be playing these types of games. The clever dialogue simply goes over your heads. Lol SMH
@@coloneliseti 200 iq comment
I loved this game back in the day. But as a kid it really hurt my head when they started to talk like this.
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@Terror It's his younger self traveling to the future and atesting for that headache.
I played this as a kid too. And I loved the dialogue. I waited dearly for this cut scenes to happen
Bahah. So you’re admitting to being a dumb kid. Cute.
@@funnyman695 He admitted to his lack of understanding, which by itself is a sign of wisdom. You putting this on equal with "admitting to being dumb" proved your ignorance.
Every now and then i come to watch these scenes and every time i'm amazed.
For those wondering, why it wouldn't be better if Kain sacrificed himself:
The pillars were raised by vampires, and only vampires can truly preserve them. A guardian was chosen at the moment of his birth. Because no new vampires were born, vampires bestowed the dark gift on the humans, that were supposed to serve the pillars. Later, even human became the guardians. But without vampires, the pillars would one day collapse, and Kain was the last vampire.
Yes but in fairness young Kain didn't know that, he chose thinking only about his own life.
@@NightWanderer31415Well... he did know that events were manipulated to make him the last vampire and for that outcome. I don't think it was just a selfish decision. It was more like not resigning to the fate clearly orchestrated for him. He chose to fight it rather than naively give in to it.
@@NightWanderer31415have you played blood omen? Kain wasn't all "I don't wanna die", by the end, he'd just been so thoroughly manipulated by mobius, mortaneus and ariel that he hardly saw much worth saving. Plus, he was still corrupted from nuptator. Even in blood omen, kain was never such a simplistic character than that.
Reminder, when Raziel asked Janos why the other Guardians obligation didn't sustain them, Janos had no answer to that.
raziel: "i don't have the stomach for it" LMAO
What stomach?
Jim Huffman that’s the joke
Literally lol
No drama this time Raziel
Raziel: I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
Me: You don’t have a stomach at all.
01:33 Kain speaks with a hint of regret
i love kain and raziels relationship.
Soul Reaver is a property that really deserves its own Castlevania esc animated series (drawn or CGI) if anyone could capture the poetic pentameter of this wordplay then they'd have something special on their hands
Oh, the voice acting! Why is it so damn awesome?!
God the voice acting and writing is AWESOME
@ 0:57 Raziel sounds so done with Kain's shit at this point, it sounds like he is happy to call his quest quits.
i love this series taught me some interesting words. i remember when i heard Raziel say the word Machinations i was like, what? I wish new games gave this much attention to acting and dialogue.
Soul Reaver 2 is the foundation of my vocabulary.
i loved this part of the game so much, one of the best conversations in the game
“I don’t think I have the stomach for it.”
Literally and metaphorically of course.
1:07 seizure Raziel ?
"No drama this time, Raziel. But don't forget to take your valium."
you made my night x'D
video game version of jacob's ladder/house on haunted hill head twitchy horror shit that keeps me up at night lol
Raziel is so terrified that Kain followed him it, caused a seizure
I would love to go back and play these game. Every time I watch a cut scene I realize something new. Like how Kain know it's the Hylden pulling the strings and never tell Raziel until crux comes back to kick him in the balls like a freight train. Or like how the conclusion of Defiance. Puts us right back at the events of where we free Janos from the machine feeding this bio weapon his blood. Or how the Hylden might be totally innocent(Kinda) and justified in wanting to wipe out Nosgoth, due to the elder god.
Steam has thr latter 3 games, and the first two can be found online (I forget how but I've found both a few years back). And I mean legally not pirated.
The tricky part is 'they' are two factions-the hylden and the elder god so while they have an overlap of interests their agendas subtly vary.
whoever you are thanks for uploading these, this is my favorite game series of all time and imho the best video game series ever made. i'm almost glad it was discontinued tho cause in todays gaming industry i doubt they could ever design another sequel to truly do it justice much less keep the original dark, almost depressing tone each chapter in the series had. simply put: they don't know how to make games like this anymore, which is a shame but true nonetheless.
subbed.
Kain gained immunity to the ill effects of rain in Blood Omen 1, from the first Blood Fountain he drinks from.
“I don’t think I have the stomach for it”. Well no, you really don’t.
Do you hear the music spectral glitch in the background
Gosh the dialogue is still so pleasant to listen to after all these years
What this game doesnt touch on is the decades and possible centuries Kain spent preparing to find out what era Raziel was in while also preparing dramatic introductions.
No, they covered that in the intro cutscene.
“Eternity is relentless, Raziel.
When I first stole into this chamber, centuries ago, I did not fathom the true power of knowledge.
To know the future, Raziel - to see its paths and streams tracing out into the infinite...
As a man, I could never have contained such forbidden truths.”
@@ryansmith4494or the end scene right before the final fight with kain. They took out some of the speech in the sr2 intro.
thats the thing raziel has free will outside of time and destiny becuase he's a paradox hes a Soul who wields his own soul from another time bound to him as a weapon this allows raziel to make decision that would normally not be allowed by the "grandfather" paradox theory becuase he is simply put Not supposed to exist
and thats why the forces that be did whatever they did to the physical soul reaver to be raziels prison they cannot destroy him and they cannot contain him so he has to be imprisoned
Kain is aware of this and that is why he is avoiding confrontation with raziel Yes raziel can kill kain but kain can also be raziels jailor
If only Raziel EVER told Kain about the Elder God, like 90% of their journey could be skipped.
its one of those situation where he assumed Kain Knew since they both are aware at the very least of the whole deal with the Wheel of Fate, Raziel wasnt aware that no one else other than himself and moebius could perceive the Elder God until the very end of Defiance.
@@Teixas666 He didn't even realize that Mobius actually had no idea what kind of creature he was serving.
@@mahguvnah7403 he surely knew he existed but indeed couldnt see it.
whihc also beg a sorta funny interaction if Raziel the EG and Kain were ever in the same location before the end of Defiance with Raziel gonig with the equivalent of "do you seriously not see this fcker right here?"
The "No drama this time.." line, out of context reads like dialogue from Frasier
it took my a very long time to make this connection (although i could be dead wrong but hear ya boi out tho) but i like to think this scene is taking place before the events of SR1and this kain is the original one before he throws raziel into the abyss. hes more caring towards raziel and his plight and even tries to divulge info to help him on his quest(not saying SR2 kain isnt but its more evident here during this scene) this would make sense since he has access to mobius's time streaming chamber during this time and would foresee all these events as theyre unfolding, which is why he throws him into the abyss in the first place which he implied in SR 1. ive been playing this series for YEARS and everytime i revisit it, think of and find new details about it, what a fucking masterpiece
I'm pretty sure Kain never loathed raziel.
He provoced him to let the events of sr1 unfold, but when that was done, he could finally drop the sharade.
When they met at the pillars, Kain didn't say he hated him. He said Raziel can hate him IF he's sincere about it.
In Defiance Kain is shocked when Moebius turns out to be his son and immediately tries to pull his sword out.
They truly are wanderers on the path of destiny. And I'm sure Kain likes his sweet baby boy (to quote Zephons implications).
"And who is this mysterious 'They' to which we keep referring?"
A question I always find myself asking in conversations like this, thank you, Raziel.
not even they are sure of it.
as raziel puts it in defiance: they are all playing the same game, but all sides are taking claim ot the same pawn.
the " they" essentially boils down to all the palyers that have a vested interest in seeing nosgoth Fall: the Elder god and The Hylden.
@@Teixas666 I wouldn't say that the Elder God would want to see Nosgoth fall exactly, he's more of a voracious parasite feeding off of every soul that passes into the afterlife hence why he manipulates events unseen (remember; he's practically invisible to all but a select few such as Raziel for example) calculating all the chances that lives will be lost so he won't go hungry. And if he suspected for one instant that destroying Nosgoth would feed his appetite for souls, he'd do it in an instant. In that regard, he's like Varney/Death from the Netflix Castlevania series where he manipulated everything so that he could feed on the lifeforce of every living being since the dawn of time.
Hylden
indeed yes, i like how the most of the series play out without raziel knowing about the hylden
just as kain is oblivious to the elder god
1:02 Raziel, buddy, I don't think you have a stomach. Period. D:
While I love this sceene the fact the Raziels body makes a 180 at 0:53 and his head is dragged along will never stop being funny to me.
"The ones pulling the strings"... The Hyldens ? The Ancient ? An alliance between them ?
one hand you got the Hylden
the other Hand is the Elder God
eahc has their own plan and they dont see eye ot eye but it just os happens realizing one's plan happens ot also realize the other, but they dont ally, they just...exist..
The algorithm transported me back in time as well, it seems.
Kain:
"Or maybe he merely hoped that it would harden your heart against me, to see this wasteland which I single-handedly authored."
Raziel:
"That makes no sense, because the state of Nosgoth was worse in the last game."
Sheesh i cant believe this video was came out in august of 2006
1:02 after that kain looks at raziel: you speak the truth Raziel you do lack one.
I wonder if Kain really did travel through time to encounter Raziel or if he just waited millennia
No he traveled through time. If he waited years (especially millenia) he would transform to a beast like (melchioh, turel etc) due to his corruption
Plus Raziel already mentions it at 1:10
This (and its predecessor) were so much fun running for the next bit of lore/story. It's almost the anti-MGS2 of its time.
I loved playing through that hell, "demon realm" and watching these cutscenes. It was such a reward.
god damn it do I want a Console HD release of these games, if no other reason but to be able to play these wonderful games again, I got the first one on GOG but it offered no controller support....and these mid era platformers still didn't quite figure out camera and movement controls so a keyboard isn't a great choice.
@supremeo Yep. When you first step out of your crypt in BO1, it's raining, and you take constant damage - the blood fountain saves you from that, but you still can't suffer full submersion.
Do not forget the survey of Crystal Dunamics (they are trying to release a new LOK game)
There's something that I'm confused over here. Did Kain just wait all this time for Raziel to appear, or did he time-travel after him?
He travels by using time streaming chambers. That's why Kain hasn't "evolved" since we first saw him in the Soul Reaver intro
@Arkryder 52 no this kain followed him in time because this kain should be already dead. Raziel should have killed him in the past but he decided to spare kain and caused a paradox. That is why this kain never should could see everything happening in the future
Kain abandoned Nosgoth to go time travelling once Raziel's clan had been wiped out.
Ironically since Kain introduced Raz to the Chronoplast in SR1, as well as his reasonable accuracy[getting to the pillars at the right time, and to meet Raz at the aerie], it now strikes a false chord that Kain didn't just take Raz to and into the Chronoplast to get to and meet Janos maybe years before his death.....
Even though it's a game and they wanted you to piss around, Kain saying you must find your own way back through time is a straight lie.
I wonder if Kain ever meets himself through his time traveling journeys
If he did we'd know.
In LoK, if you came back in time once you always came back.
@@JCRS92 good point. So raziel always killed his human self to become kain's subject ?
@@paimon6286 And always ended being the essence of the Reaver. What differs in this point is only when, because at first he would be consumed right after the killing of his human self, but as of the third paradox (when Kain saved him - because of the second paradox when Raziel spared Kain) it was delayed to that point in Defiance, thus fulfilling the prophecy.
@@JCRS92 such a great story it's a shame we never got to see it's conclusion. It's something we can only speculate.
@pnelad14 Or perhaps it's evidence that Raziel did not kill Kain in the original SR timeline.
*I CAN SEE THE FUTURRRRE!*
Amy needs to do writing classes, I would love to construct sentences like this.
This should be the Kain that followed the original SR2 timeline - having not saved Raziel from the Reaver and possessing the Soul Reaver; that's my assumption, at least. If it were the younger Kain in this time period, he would be less knowledgeable of past events (in theory; we don't know exactly when he discovers the Chronoplast chamber and its knowledge) and should also look different - more like the BO2 Kain.
Forgive me for resurrecting a 10 year old comment , but I just wanted to say that the Kain that appears here is indeed the same one that Raziel has been chasing from the start. This meeting between the two has never occurred before, since this was the first time in the time loop that Raziel spared Kain, back in William's chapel
Wow, that... kind of hurts my brain. The ancient vampires worshipped the Elder God and the wheel of fate. The Hylden cursed the ancient vampires with immortality and bloodlust, "releasing" them from the Wheel, causing them to fall from the Elder God's favor, causing their madness and ultimate fall from grace. This was their masterstroke as the ancient vampires damned them to the demon realm with the pillars sealing their tomb.
1:02 hahaha I get it 😂😂😂
Nothing matches the dialog in this game. This is the first time that you see Raziel genuinely regarding Kain as the only one telling the truth.
0:55 sounds like someone's boss showing up unexpectedly
Well Kain IS the boss so true ;]
Or it's evidence that it's the same Kain that's been following Raziel throughout time. Hell, he even travels further into the past to meet with him for the climax.
There should be classes taught on how to write game dialogue, and this franchise should be required playing.
I still can't believe that Amy is the same person who was behind LoK's lore *and* a ridiculously cliché interactive movie like Uncharted. Like, either she completely lost her touch, or money really does bad things. Or perhaps both.
Though full immersion in water can still 'kill' him.
I am a little baffled how Raziel does not believe that the Elder is the him and the they are not the true enemy. I mean Kain I understand but Raziel why did he enormously underestimate the Elder god
Insane to imagine this video is 15 years old
the reason kain doesnt go up in smoke is explained briefly in SR1 as vampires age they become more resistant to sunlight and water although only instances like rahab actually become immune to it. theres a difference between rain and complete submersion in water. it would be like being hit by the occasional spark compared to jumping into a bonfire
That sounds like a great way for vampires to entertain kids on rainy days, just hold out their arm and have it be a sparkler for a bit :)
"And who exactly is this diabolical 'they' to which we keep referring?"
Y'know.
They.
"No drama this time" that is a lie
Because Raziel and Kain's destinys are so closely intertwined and ones actions effects the other so drastically that Raziel's story must be told. Raziel also being Kain's first son and "creation", he's such an important part of the story. Similar to how they follow the villian in action movies.
I love that chuckle Kain does 😂👌🏾
it's incredible how much time pass before Raziel understand than him AND ONLY HIM can see Elder God, the true enemy. He can't imagine that Kain doesn't know who's the enemy cause he was blind.... 'till very end of Defiance
The "Blood of Ages" if memory serves correctly. Personally, I just took that to mean that his journey had taken some time and he grew naturally stronger and more resilient during it's passage. SR showing that vamps change over time supports this idea as does the fountains' name("Blood of Ages").
Hell, most vamps can even move about in indirect sunlight in SR1 so it could just be a natural resistance gained over time.
They could move about in the day cus of the smoke stack in turel's territory that was cut from the alpha game originally planned.
true but the latter kinda suits the even more calculating kain that was in 2 and defiance...it is VERY hard to decipher really
Notice how the soul reaver series is called *The Legacy of Kain *soul reaver, soul reaver 2 and Defiance* but, The other series Blood Omen, is called *Blood omen (the legacy of kain series), Blood omen 2 (legacy of kain series) so the soul reaver series is *Kains Legacy* and blood omen series is where he begins his journey, forging that will in the future be, the soul reaver series.
Kain: Mobeius is a dick
Raziel: Right?
Brilliant writing...
I love that I can hear the emulator audio glitch where the music breaks when you shift from the spirit realm like 50% of the time
This wasn't even recorded on an emulator... this is the native PC version, which has its own host of audio problems. :(
It was also 15 years ago, though, so game recording software wasn't exactly top tier.
@@Joudas oh that's crazy, I played it a year or two ago on pcsx2 and I remember having similar music glitches to what it sounds like is in the background where it bugs out and loses half of its instruments
actually he did it because he knew who is Raziel, he planned all this before Raziel was raised as a vampire, even when Raziel finds Pillars Kain says that all this was planned and he says that he counted on Raziel anger so that he would follow him into the past.
And in Defiance, we discover the answer to this question.
Where is the like button its not working does RUclips need a new server, says 1.4K this deserves 1K800 or 2.4K
yes sir he did! im not insulting anyone, but this story can be long and every detail that is given during each event has strong explanations. Even the most minor hints such as "rain" give reason as to why things are what they are. Crystal Dynamics payed very close attention to detail on a lot of things, but there are few things that have yet to have answers
I like how the body moves before the head
The LoK series has the best voice acting in any game. Ever
Although even the influence of the Hylden was overstepped by both. Remember that, in the end of SR2, the new memories springing inside Kain's mind revealed him the true play they were acting in. I think many things would have been averted should Raziel and Kain had begun to work side by side as early as this moment. But perhaps, their destinies would no longer be at hand, for maybe, Raziel would have never entered the Reaver then. D.R.
This is one of the first times Raziel and Kain interact without threats of violence or outright aggression and I love it
It took me a long time to realize there talking about the ELDER GOD
Or Hylden?
Before. It's actually still the past(SR1 takes place a millennium after Kain creates his vamp children/lieutenants...this is only a few centuries after Blood Omen), but is the future from the period Raziel initially ends up in at the beginning of SR2.
And the Elder God became hungry, because his wheel would no longer turn. Thats why he needed Raziel too feed him, in a never ending circle. Thats what I think..
yeah true, but at that moment in time, he did do it out of jealousy, but he did know of what he was doing meant. so we would both be right.