ECHO Ending Explained | Easter Eggs, Credits Scene Breakdown, Review + Daredevil & Kingpin Future
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- ECHO Ending Explained | Easter Eggs, Series Breakdown, Review + Daredevil & Kingpin Future. We recap and explain the new Disney Plus series Echo and discuss what could be happening with the charcter in the future after that post credits scene. This spoiler review also contains comic easter eggs and what the powers originally were in the source material.
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Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show, I'm your host Paul. Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show, I'm your host Paul. Sounds like there's an Echo in here ey, you having that and today we're breaking down the new Marvel series. Created under the banner Marvel Spotlight this was something that the company also used in the comics to try out side characters in their own leading titles. It kinda feels like thats whats happened with Echo as well as she's never really been a massive name in the source material and I was kinda surprised that she got her own show. There was then rumours that her series was a disaster and lots of things circulated around it in the build up to it's release.
Firstly Marvel reportedly cut out an entire episode dropping it down to six and they also announced it was gonna be a day one drop. Lastly they weren't gonna be allowing reviews until the day of relesae and yeah. It's been a weird one in the build up to the project. However people had hope when they saw they were going for a mature audience and featuring both Daredevil and Kingpin heavily.
Has it worked?
Is the MCU alive, Is MCU dead or whatever state the schoedingers francishe is in that week. 
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I think they may ties Echo to other Native American Characters such as the one in What if who knows
Yes KingPin as big Bad should be the way to go
Disney always have the issue to try really hard to portray every representation
She has some of the powers of x men Forge with her knack for tech breaking things down and making something new and useful also he was also an Indian shaman who was an amputee
the series was frontloaded with the best episode being the first. eps 2,3,4 were filler. episode 5 could have been cut down to 10 minutes. as a whole it was inconsequential apart from the laying of hands thing she did on Kingpin at the end. wasted a morning watching this rubbish
I’m Choctaw and the interpretation of Natives in this series is the best I’ve seen. The Chafa is the number one in the Choctaw language and is indeed the first woman of the Choctaw peoples name. The historical accuracy gives me pride. The Lighthorsemen weren’t created just for the comics but it’s an actual police force that’s still alive today. Almost every tribe in Oklahoma has Lighthorse police officers who deal with Native affairs along with the tribal governments that reside in Oklahoma
I always thought echo was Japanese
I’m glad you said that, because I really enjoyed that part of the show and hoped Marvel had done it accurately.
Thank you for letting us know of the authenticity on interpretations. I loved this series.❤
I loved every bit of it
Kumeyaay and Apache Nation 🪶🙌🏾 much respect brother
As a member of the Choctaw Nation, absolutely stoked to see representation of our language and culture on screen. Thank you for a great review and for watching the show. The wood pecker, Biskinik, in Choctaw lore is a messenger or omen. Our tribe's newspaper is called the Biskinik after the messenger bird. The Choctaw Nation had staff members that were heavily involved with the lore and design. A Choctaw artist, Steven Paul Judd, was on the writing and story editing team. Though it wasn't the best Marvel product, it was still a huge success for Choctaw Nation and indigenous representation. I'm glad we got to see and appreciate the hard work of the studio unlike Batgirl.
Are you based in Oklahoma or Mississippi? I grew up going to the fair held by the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians
Eeeeeazzzz Pachogush.
👍
Steve Paul Rudd also created the Shirt that Cash was wearing, that’s kind of cool, if natives walking Abby Road the same the Beatles did.
His review wasn't great lol
Just because you have twins doesn’t mean your dad jokes can be twice as bad 😂
looooool
Lmfao!😂
🤣🤣🤣
This is one of my favorite shows that they have put out so far, I love how it revolved around her Chocktaw heritage and from that she pulled through against Kingpin’s empire
I think it was a really good character study, and I liked watching her reconnect with family, and the tension of resolving her childhood trauma and the tension in her relationship with Fisk. Fisk felt like a manifestation of her demons from childhood (hurt, rage), and it was clever how they dovetailed his background story into this show to explain that and also keep him really three dimensional.
Maya in the comics was fine, but I enjoyed this version more - rooting her more in (what seemed like) a more authentic portrayal of her cultural lineage, instead of just someone with cool powers. But then on top of that, the fight scenes with Daredevil and in the skating rink were great!
I was a big fan, the emotions on the last two episodes was incredible
Exactly!!
I loved this show.
Yes I totally agree. Sorry but the review by @heavyspoilers of this with his opinions based on lack of knowledge (or something) of indigenous people and assuming we have seen daredevil... Is not very helpful or interesting. Never was into daredevil, so stop the comparables with him. You want a woman in skintight suits, you have black widow.
Agree!
I actually loved the flashbacks and storytelling. And I really liked this little vignette series. I think it'll be a good path for Disney/Marvel to use for minor/mid characters, that way the main films/tv shows aren't bogged down by too much exposition and forced backstory. And also, that's one of the biggest critiques I feel like. Either they're too bogged down by exposition, or they didn't go in depth enough for the comic book fans and are dumbing it down for broad audiences. This structure, I feel, is a good remedy for alot of those arguments/critiques
And I loved that they dropped all the episodes at once, cause I feel like it would've been a Lot harder to get into/stay interested if it were just 1 episode a week.
I actually really enjoyed this series when I wasn’t expecting much from it. It reminded me of the What If.. episode with Kahhori which I also really enjoyed. It seems like they’re doing a great deal of research to pay the proper respect to these tribes and I love it. The way they integrate their culture into the story telling is awesome. Would love another season of Echo 🫶🏽
Listen it wasn’t bad. It was a bit contrived and the TVMA rating was clearly used as a promotional strategy (along with Daredevil) because there were only like 2 episodes that even came close to that rating. That said, I did enjoy much of it despite only getting Daredevil for 2 minutes in episode 1. I did appreciate all the Chactaw related stuff and I felt like the episodes all flowed pretty well, the music choices were great, and THE BEST PART of the series was the reveal in the finale when Biscuit turned his grandmas mail truck into a monster truck with parts from the junkyard where we thought he was just fixing the damage. It was a great Marvel comedic moment!
You just made me realize what Biscuit did. Thanks for that 👍🏾
Also, when Marvel writes a show like a big movie instead of having strong arcs in each episode, I think they SHOULD release the episodes all at once. When they don’t, people have complained about uneven pacing. I think they released all the episodes here as a course correction based on the overwhelming amount of similar feedback, rather than a signal that they didn’t have faith in the show, and it was the right move
Nah for sure it was released because they didn’t have faith. Don’t forget that the plan with the shows was to bridge dead air between movies with more content. If they released Loki all at once it would be nice for us, but business wise it would be bad since ppl will talk about it for a week and move on.
@@thephilosopher7173it would have been great for Disney's business because all of their shows lose viewers from week to week and sometimes bounce back for the finale. A full drop would just be bad for content creators because they'd have leas content to leech.
I can’t decide whether it’s a shame Echo lost an episode, or that maybe Marvel tightened up the story more efficiently. Definitely a good idea to drop all at once because it might’ve shed viewers earlier if you had to wait a week.
I actually enjoyed it, in the top half of Marvel D+ shows IMO
I thought the show was way better than Paul did, and no, I'm not Native American. Both my parents passed away in the past 3 years. It hits hard that she misses her mother, and her connection to her mother from beyond the grave. After my mother passed away, I had a lot of dreams I was seeing her again and talking to her. I would sometimes see my Dad after he passed, butbhe was his younger self that I remember when I was growing up. I sometimes wear a shirt with the Jamaican flag on it to hold on to my ancestors. The motorcycle helmet Echo wears is the exact same one I have. I started riding a motorcycle after my Mom passed away. I started running the risk in away to tempt fate, since I miss my Mom so much I can't live without her. In a way I'm not just tempting fate, I'm giving fate the finger since it took my parents. I think you may have missed a detail. I'm pretty sure the motorcycle Echo rides is an "Indian" . I know its too on the nose , but it looks close.
Yeah , its the same make motorcycle from Xmen Origins Wolverine . What Logan loosely called an "Indian" motorcycle is a Royal Enfield, a motorcycle brand made in India. It must be an old-timey term for it. Maya's bike is a modified Royal Enfield GT650.
Both of my parents died in a 3 year span also. Resonated with me too.
Wild. I loved that they did a recap episode for the first one. After Hawkeye nurfed Kingpin I felt like this helped recalibrate her story using a combination of what we've seen and what we haven't. I usually agree with you but I gotta go in a different direction overall with this spotlight/series. I thoroughly enjoyed it and found myself in tears at least 3 times. I didn't know or care about the making of issues but for what we got I think it was beyond solid. But to each their own.
Side Note.. Kingpin did get an Iron Man suit in the Armor Wars comic. It won’t be too far fetched to see it in the MCU.
It wouldn’t be far fetched but it’d be dumb as hell.
@@DonaldTrumpsMassiveBalls annddd how long has lazy writing been the past few years? I didn’t say it was a smart idea, it was a matter of speaking. Lol.
It’ll be like Lex having his armor in DC.
@@DonaldTrumpsMassiveBallsI was just gonna say dude not know how spoke right
Why do you keep commenting this on multiple videos.
You’re wrong. Best show they’ve done in a while. It wasn’t perfect but it was very good… not mediocre. The cultural aspects make the character much stronger. The lack of knowledge in the symbolism isn’t your fault and the storytelling wasn’t as smooth, but the native aspect was helped a lot by What If. It was stretched a bit but not to the level of all the other plus shows. I’d love to see a sequel or the character extended into other stories for sure.
I wouldn't, she better not be in Spiderman 4 like rumored
The show was a mess, it felt like a documentary about the Choctaw, focusing on the boring story about Echo, with a little bit of Kingpin sparkled on top, the grittiness (although far and few) is a welcome addition. The ending fight was a total joke. Def a 6/10, not a single memorable moment and will probably forget all about it in a couple weeks.
You can’t tell someone their opinion is wrong lol just say u disagree
Lol. This was soooo bad.
Almost everything u typed was factual incorrect and ur opinions are shit and proly match ur tastes...I meant to say I agree to disagree tho
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Paul, I love your stuff and breakdowns, but sometimes you can be over the top. I agree that ep one was a bit too much of a repeat of what we already saw, but I really enjoyed the remaining and getting to know Maya and her family and ancestors. The ending wasn't a super crescendo, but it was satisfying enough to set the stage for the next Echo or Kingpin chapter. I mean everything can't be a super blockbuster. And it doesn't need to be to entertain. Anyways, as always thanks for your insights and working hard to stay abreast of what's going on in the Scifi and Marvel worlds. You're one of my main go-to's and I appreciate it. 👍
Sounds to me like you agree with Paul, that the show is mid.
I liked the series a lot. Chula’s character was complex. Abandoning Maya was wrong but sometimes things so horrible happen that we are not equipped to deal with. She clearly felt remorse and loved Maya greatly. A nice spotlight of generational trauma both in Maya and Fisk. I liked learning about the Choctaw people and the action sequences were cool. I think the final confrontation w Fisk was rushed because how did Kingpin even escape and the goons in the vans weren’t able to get out after Biscuits drove over the van? I’d give the series a 7/10
That's probably the episode the Marvel executives cut.
You will shill for anything
That opening scene with the clay people is the literal Choctaw creation story. They are Adam and Eve, if you will.
I thought that..
Echo was surprisingly good! I enjoyed all 5 episodes.
This was refreshing and was less about the MCU and more about this culture. I loved it! More, please.
Binged the entire season earlier today, and all in all, I really enjoyed it and hope Echo plays a bigger role in the mcu.
I wasn't going to watch it but did so anyway since all of the episodes were available. I really enjoyed it! It was very well done! I loved the Choctaw content and the echo of the ancestors through her.
You can't complain about mainstream audiences not willing to read subtitles but to expect them to know what happened in Hawkeye by heart. I watched Hawkeye and was still happy for the flashbacks to tell me the details of what I saw 2 years ago.
I enjoyed Echo quite a bit, though you really notice they ran out of money in the final 2 episodes. Also it really didn't help that they dumped all at once.
Adult doesn’t just mean gore and blood. It means mature themes as in dealing with childhood trauma (Fisk) and light on goofy shit. The fact that it ended with Fisk being partially healed and her calling him uncle is above the heads of teen boys hoping for Deadpool/the Boys type entertainment.
I watched this with my mom and it was fun to see her reaction she loved the first episode called it the best recap she ever seen and didn't know about the history of the character. Also her people coming from the tesseract world is so dope.
personally I really liked this show, what really made this show for me, she was an amazing character, I liked how they weren't afraid of showing her making very rash decisions, I also loved the stuff they did with kingpin, I was not expecting them to take the character in that direction. Although, the pacing and her weird mystical powers, brought it down, although, the good stuff outweight the bad, I also appreciate how this show felt more unique and different than other mcu projects that lately feel to similar
i got kingpin, i got daredevil, i got set-up for DD, action was good, short and to the point season plus i wasn't expecting much so i have to give this show a thumbs up. cultural visuals were all great too.
The first episode was a nice set up for the show, the loving family she was born into vs the violence she was raised into and the brutal fighter she became. The episode runtime and story pacing made it a really easy binge though and I was able to finish it in one night and after I finished it, it felt like the quality and vibe hearkened back to it's Netflix Marvel era connection roots at it's best. The MA rating is for the violence and cursing, that's how nitpicky American tv ratings are lol. There were interesting themes going on with the generational power vs generational trauma, including ones from uncle/father figure Kingpin. Also interesting how all of Maya's extended family learned sign and continued to use it in their lives even when they haven't seen Maya in 2 decades and was ready to speak with her as soon as she reappears. The Chocktaw representation seemed really well done, but I'll leave that to actual people they're representing to speak on that. The reactions that I've seen so far seem really positive though so yays! I hope this kind of cultural respect is a positive lesson that Marvel Studios that continues with. The cohesiveness of the writing overall is good and I feel it's one of the better Disney+ Marvel series.
LOVED the show but wish there was more than one scene of daredevil but he would have been so out of place in the rest of the season. The finale had me in tears
I think Echo was pretty solide. It wasn't unique, but it was well executed. Alaqua Cox was fantastic and the writers gave her a fine material to work with. The ending was a bit rushed, maybe six episodes would have been better, but any more would have just dragged out the story. I also like, that it really is Mayas story in that sense, that Kingpin was in just 3 episodes and Daredevil just showed up once (in contrast to eg She Hulk). All in all I really enjoyed it.
I just completed the series, and I'll just say it's nice to have these more grounded shows that don't rely on overly gratuitous CGI battles and pointless cameo of the weeks.
I really hope people give this series a try as it's a beautiful story about how we are made up by echos of our ancestors before us.
And while I'm at it, a good number of actors in this series was in another series based on native American peoples called Reservation Dogs on FX.
DEFINITELY give that series a try.
I enjoyed the series and its mature nature. The native abilities from her maternal Choctaw ancestors were cool, reminding me of the Bene Gesserit. Appreciate the change in light of Taskmaster already being introduced. I would have liked 6 episodes and seen more of the story especially since episode 1 had parts of Hawkeye in it. How bad did they think that 6th episode was to completely cut it out (instead of just editing out a return to New York).
I don't think it was bad at all. I think executives were executiving. They always blame the creatives.
It wasn’t mature, It was the same diluted Disney feminist garbage.
just finished the show it was a decent show i wished daredevil popped up more in the show not just once
Which ep is that?
@@Chad0023ep 1
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first one im pretty sure @@Chad0023
He was supposed to appear in the last episode apparently, but they cut him out bc of the rewrites for Born Again
I like that there is great Native American actors here.. My faves are Graham Green and Tantoo Cardinal. I saw there is also a Braydee Cardinal. Any relations to Tantoo. Someone mentioned that legend of Chafa was true. Cool! So I guess the rest of Choctaw traditions are true, too. I like cameos of Daredevil and Hawkeye. Fisk is complicated as well as Echo.I like that Biscuit is a funny character who names his dog, Billy Jack. If I remember correctly, Billy Jack was adopted by Hopi in his movies.
Smoke Signals & Pow Wow Highway.....most of the cast in Echo were in these two classics from the 80's.......
I enjoyed ECHO faaaar better than Secret Invasion.
Doesn’t make it good at all though does it?
@@jojosmokes256it was good to me I enjoyed more than secret invasion
@@eden20111 secret invasion was garbage. This was just a little better. Was not good
To me this show did fall under the umbrella of Marvel not hiring showrunners and doing show bibles. This doesn’t diminish the potential for Daredevil. Especially given the fact that Feige fired the original writers and directors
I'm not sure feige even hv power anymore, Blackrock is the one pushing this nonsense agenda, I think feige should quit bc he don't hv full control anymore and he is tarnishing the legendary infinity saga he built by continuing to take part in these mamas fars
I honestly really enjoyed the show. Smashed it out in one sitting. It was just nice to watch marvel content that doesn’t have world ending stakes. Wasn’t perfect, but I personally related very heavily with Maya’s internal struggle. And I also really liked her suit, but I do agree that they should have gone with the concept art from Hawkeye.
Each to their own tho
I'm genuinely surprised to hear the amount of gripes you had with this show, ngl, I really enjoyed this show... unexpectedly so! I thought it was decently better than a good amount of the Disney+ shows! I had no issues whatsoever with the time jumps and all that, I really didn't think it affected the show all that much for me at all, I certainly didn't find it confusing whatsoever! No mention of the ice rink fight scene?? I thought that was awesome! Also, Paul... stop only liking the comments that agree with you 😉
This is a great show honestly, don’t get why it gets that much hate although it could have more eps tho the first ep wasn’t bad
Great job on the video! Thanks for making it.
Kingpin not learning ASL seems really impractical.
*I hope they handle the street level Heroes & firstly I need a faceoff between Kingpin & Spidey & simultaneously Spidey & Daredevil in one frame as Heroes*
Yup and Spiderman killing Fisk.
It comes across really strange hearing claims of Indigenous creatives, who were influenced in legitimate ways by the source material and took things in a different direction for the screen, be called "disrespectful".
Marvel fans are smart enough to handle subtitles, deaf leads, and nuanced characters and storytelling - even when weaving in crime syndicates and Daredevil.
The show is like a cross between Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Reservation Dogs. Who knew it's a combo I needed. 😂
I think your too harsh on this one Paul... It actually exceeded my expectations
Agreed
It was trash
I enjoyed the fight scenes. Its idiotic for anyone to think it will match the Daredevil series.
Why is it idiotic?
Its not idiotic they have the potential
We expected good writing and that’s idiotic? MCU fans literally happy with mid content 💀
@firstlast9846 why you crying about what others like? Try again lil 🐱
@@firstlast9846you mean choreography?
I loved it , its feels to me a lot like the netflix era marvel projects and im all for it
What made marvel great was comic fans being the people making the stories, now it feels like Hollywood making comic book movies and they don’t hit.
Im afraid that's the story of most unsatisfying comic book films.
*Considering the fact that* the creators couldn’t say anything special about the character in promotion of the show.. I think it speaks volumes about the actual quality of the MCU shows and movies now.
@@nintendofan6499 it is tho that loki wasn't my loki the timeloom thing could've easily been resolved in 1 ep instead of a tedious drag
@@kurokishizxtweaking bro literally no one shares this opinion🤣
@nintendofan6499 - Loki was not one of the best shows 💀 it was fine - but it’s not getting that top spot
She's indigenous crippled and a woman
That's enough
How much did it took to realize that lmao 😂
Really amazing show imo can't wait to see echo again.
gg man!! Great review love the honesty
I really loved the show overall! I just think they pulled some punches on the ending. Most of the show had that grit that I liked then it turned into a Disney movie at the end. Still liked it though. Would love to see more Echo!
Loved the show! Love the caracter! Cannot wait to see her pop up in other projects. Really happy ot hear that the historic and cultural representation is accurate and not a some made up version of “what could be”. It really gives weight to the story and her background and her powers. I think Maya is my favourite new character the MCU has introduced.
I was waiting for your breakdown not to waste my time by actually watching it :D
After endgame I've kept up with marvel because of Paul. He never disappoints!!
Wrong, give it a chance, I'm ngl I usually always agree with Paul but I massively disagree with his takes in this one - definitely give it a chance and make your own decision
I think it was fantastic! I didn't know of this story. I loved Daredevil and I think this is a great way to introduce Kingpin without doing another origin
Dickriding crazy
Insane review lol. I loved the whole thing.
This show was awesome! I felt every emotion!
I just want to say bringing on MT was a big brain move. I followed him from NR to here and I love your videos! Wish I was watching you the whole time, but unfortunately I hadn’t been exposed to you until you hired him. Great channel!
YES, Paul!!! Can't wait to check this out!!!! Man, I love RUclips and Heavy Spoilers!!!!
100% spot on review!! 👍
I’m so happy I completely disagree with every critique this guy gave 😅 Echo was the best recapping I’ve seen in the MCU and I love Maya’s character this show is so goood from start to finish
This show slapped!!! It had me tearing up on a couple of moments and felt like a real homestead marvel 5 part comic. You people are tripping over the fact that marvel is trying to appease a way larger demographic than ever. This was a "W" for the women in a right way. Not too overly pushing the "anything you can do" just showcasing a woman's strength and importance in that time frame. Home run for Marvel on this one
This is going to be a great character for the MCU. Really enjoyed this series, and felt short. Can't wait for her return.
Kingpin not sure about the Hawaiian shirt to this interpretation. What happened to him between end of Daredevil to now? Where is Vanessa?
I was hoping it would be grounded like Daredevil but unfortunately after the very first 10 seconds I was proven wrong. I thought I had clicked the wrong series by accident and had to double check what I was watching which did no favours for the emersion and got it off to a bad start before they had even started. Every time an Echo from the past scene started I was instantly put off and was dismissive of what it was going to show. Strangely this actually turned out to be a benefit, as what those scenes did show were awful.
I'm amazed how something with so much budget, time, potential scope and universe borrowing that was available to them that they only managed to only produce 5 episodes. Of these 1 was a re-cap (which was by far the best episode - maybe a 6.5 to a 7 compared to the rest being a 3) and somehow duration wise 2 felt like filler episodes. With the last episode feeling like it was a repeat of the previous one. I can't remember pressing the fast forward button so much on any Marvel project and I've seen The Marvels and Secret Invasion.
There was absolutely no need to shoe horn Native American culture into the series and the way they so actually did a massive disservice to the character. Her being self made, self defining, over coming disability, grinding a life within the crime world in New York; all this and her decisions meant nothing. The season was resolved not by the character or anything that she had previously done or experienced but purely the shear fact she was of Native American ancestry. I realise the Disney and Hollywood think using a minority card will instantly give them some kind of "DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!" and produce a good result but this is another example of the complete opposite happening. Race, sex, gender, species doesn't matter, good characters and story matters; this had neither.
The original character in native so that isnt shoehorned. Also its a Marvel Spotlight production so obviously expectation should be low
This show it’s better than Secret invasion for sure but their is a but I agree wit what ya said on Twitter I feel like the MA was used a marketing gimmick but honestly I feel they didn’t go further like them Netflix shows did! Yes the roller skating rink fight was cool yes I have a message from the kingpin with the silencer or kingpin beating that ice cream vendor but I felt it could’ve been way way more darker as a whole. Overall tho at least the defenders verse is canon but even if it’s canon Daredevil born again next yr needs to go Harder than echo and b on tune wit that Netflix show wit action scenes feel tone etc! I’m not trying to say echo needs to b invincible or the boys or anime jujutsu kaisen or something I just want the Ma rating to mean something! Also another gripe which bugged me abit why did Daredevil fight Maya and then just disappeared idk didn’t make sense
Honestly I thought this was one of the best projects the MCU has done …. Wished they had more episodes for sure to flush out all the characters
The editing of sound is so good in the series
When i heard they were releasing all of the episodes at once and not allowing critics to review it....i knew we'd be in for a rough one.
I disagree with your commentary on ECHO I enjoyed it. Sometimes, I feel that ppl compare the comics against live version. There were good points you had. I loved it, it did what it needed. The TV MA wasn't necessary, but the story was good, and reading the subtitles wasn't bad it kept me engaged which can be hard when all you are looking for is comparable to the source material I loved how they crafted a story that capture the generations of ECHOS ancestors so I disagree with your review to a point the show did what it needed to and with the way Disney be hitting my pockets I felt all episodes were needed.. lol.. thanks Paul you did ok. But ECHO was a good watch.
Cheers for a respectful comment
I don’t get sticking to the comics bit…. I don’t know the comics and even if I did… marvel always adapts and adds. This is just weak criticism.
Really enjoyed this one! Knew it wouldn’t be as dark as they said it would be!
The very first episode during the Daredevil fight they showed a lot of headshots and violence just like the punisher show on Netflix, but the rest of the series felt like rated g MCU. I want to see the same level of violence that we saw from Frank Castle in the Netflix punisher series and I think I'm not the only one 💯
There was a glimpse of darkness in the roller rink but after that the show just got worse
I agree, makes me a bit worried that they’re gonna dial the violence back for daredevil and punisher
I love these videos coz they act as mediums to stuff I'll never care to watch while I'm still keeping up to date with the MCU
Weird that all the mainstream reviews thought this was awesome
I love Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin so much, I keep finding myself sympathizing with the guy until he suddenly loses it and starts murdering people ... He is by far (no disrespect to Thanos) the most complex and interesting villain in the MCU and I look forward to seeing where they take him now. By the way, [SPOILERS AHEAD]
the way I understood the end of the final fight with Maya was that at a moment when she could have finished him off, Maya instead chose to try to "heal" his heart and his mind with her mother's healing ability. I thought it was a beautiful moment - showing she isn't consumed by rage or hate any more and that she's tapping into her ancestors' powers in a way that's driven by mercy. That moment where Fisk's completely stunned and yells "What did you do?" - I understood that to be him in absolute shock because Maya had taken away the pain and rage in HIS mind, and suddenly he finds himself feeling a way he's probably never felt before in his life. Obviously, because it's Kingpin, he's not staying that way. But I think it would be cool if this was kind of a "road to Damascus" moment for him, and when he then calls together the heads of the families and decides to run for mayor, he's doing this in a genuine attempt to make things better. But obviously, because it's Fisk, this will go sideways and the "ill-intent" will rear its head in him again.
Whatever the writers do now, I hope they show that Maya's mercy towards Fisk has some real consequences and this confrontation doesn't just get swept under the rug and forgotten.
Sorry man, I didn't hate your review. Just felt a little "I'll never be satisfied until it's a 1:1 recreation of the comics." I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I have always had a hard time with Kingpin as a Spider-Man villain. I just can’t rectify that in my mind. Fisk is very strong but still just a human. Spider-Man is one of the strongest superheroes in the Marvel universe. He’s also extremely quick. He would destroy Kingpin in a fight realistically.
One of the strongest is a huge stretch, but he is definitely top street level hero.
He fought Kingpin for real once and completely destroyed him.
what makes kingpin dangerous is that he has powerful army by controlling new york. that is too much for even spiderman to handle. and even though kingpin does not have powers, he is stronger than average human and can easily recover from injuries that would immobilize normal people. Also Spiderman rogue gallery is divided into three types: animals like Lizard and Doctor Octopus, horror types like Green Goblin and Morbius, and gang members like Kingpin and Mr. Negative.
Kingpin is a human but he’s literally just built different.. he spent time in Japan in the comics - and even in the games it’s mentioned “he spent time with Sumo wrestlers in Japan” by his henchmen - he’s literally spent time developing his power.
@@theveyashe is one of the strongest, he just holds back a lot, but he is one of the few street level people that can hang with the avengers.
Thats why it’s nice they are doing this again, we lost the magic of truly showing how insane it is to live in a universe where thor exists.
Echo being so serious will make the inevitable meeting between the wisecracking colorful spider-man and the Netflix characters a lot more fun
Unless of course he couldn't touch him cus he's the mayor
The opening episode was great I loved them fleshing it all out better
Well I’m early. Hope Spider-Man and Daredevil can team up to fight Kingpin
Not knowing anything about the comic book character I went into this blind and loved it. I saw all the thumbnails about poor reviews and thankfully ignored them until I'd watched it myself. I do do sometimes think that YT "reviewers" are so nailed to the cross of bashing Marvel (I know they've deserved it at times) that they miss the point.
I really like the performances but I did miss how they changed her powers. In New Avengers she flew a Qinjet one time just from having seen Tony Stark fly it. Just felt like a missed opportunity. The Choctaw mythology was cool to see on screen. The story was just very small scale and I would have liked to see Echo struggle with choosing between Kingpin and her family more.
Excellent intro!
I was fr hooked at first but it genuinely lost me when it started introducing all the powers, and that final fight was so flat. I honestly wasn’t expecting much, but i genuinely hope Marvel gets them selves back together and lock in in terms of a direction, and valuing Quality over quantity.
Cry
@@GOONIETONY awe r u mad nobody likes your fav character?
I feel the same way
@@GOONIETONY I fr loved all the characters, especially the family members and the show made me far more interested in Echo’s character regardless of how “Eh” the show was.
@@khargo7cry harder po$
Loved the show. It was a great bindge. Not as great fight choreography as the first season of daredevil but it was still better than most tv show fight scenes, style wise. Every fight scene did end before it ever got gritty so they were a bit of a tease. Loved seeing so many actors from Reservation Dogs! Loved seeing the Native American spirituality depicted. A lot of unique storytelling going on in a time where everything is a reboot. She’s a killer, she’s deaf, she’s First Nation, she’s missing a foot, she’s going from villain to hero, her ancestors are part of her story. What a refreshing story to watch. Not saying it was cinematic perfection but I loved watching it. No regrets.
Many of the actors were in Pow Wow Highway ....a classic from the 80's.
Gotta disagree strongly with Paul here. And that rarely happens. I thought this was really interesting, especially off the back of What If. I appreciated seeing another look into Indigenous American culture, with accuracy. We actually got a full character arch that made sense and was complete. Like, we didn't have another ultra CGI fightfest. It was grounded. It was actual storytelling. I do think we got something different because we took a whole different cultural perspective on things. I was gonna be more aggravated if we saw another same power vs same power battle at the end. And what we got was an ending that was about trauma healing. Like, we complain so much about Marvel doing the same thing over and over again, and then we get something different and it's not good enough. I was ok with the few powers we got, but it didn't dominate the show because the moral was supposed to be about atonement, rectification, and dealing with trauma. Something we saw an aspect of in Moon Knight, but that was dealing with mental illness more than family trauma. Especially when you're from a culture that is so centralized around family, these stories definitely hold more weight. Great show and the woman wasn't a Mary Sue in this. She had to earn her spot and grew. No pandering just great storytelling.
You nailed every point I was going to make.
Noticed the hammer Kingpin says he kept from when he killed his dad is actually different from the one in Daredevil. The one used in Daredevil is a Claw Hammer, the one shown in Echo is a Ball-Pein Hammer. Not sure why they made this change but seems like a weird one to make...
Different universe maybe lol😅, but we'll never know probably.
It was overall alright. By the end I couldn't help wondering how Maya, the underworld killer, would evade the feds that are certainly on her tail. With that in mind I was confused by the ending. That's my ending explained.
The changes were for visual perception. You could use a little exposition earlier for the "echoing" powers.
There was potential, if they cleaned up the first 3-4 episodes (which I enjoyed) and reworked the mystical element (keep it just tweak it) I think they have something. I like this character existing in the same world as Netflix Bullseye so hopefully they bring him back.
It was a good side show. To show more on king pin is always a good thing
I enjoyed the episodes, I think it being self contained, relatively quick, and full of representation works really well. Don’t think it was a critical masterpiece or “changed the direction or marvel” but that’s a lot of pressure to put on a lesser known character from marveI in a limited series. I believe it was worth the time (and focus to read subtitles) to watch and hope so see Echo in other properties. Spider-Man doing bad sign language as he learns would be perfect
does anyone else think the casting for the young Maya was perfect?
I liked it but I don’t think it’s a marvel show. It seems like it should be in its own universe.
Bro you had me joked out I love you man lol
Thank you guys for taking one for the team... Hopefully we start getting proper content in the future
I wish I could forget or un-see this disaster.
😂 u very welcome
Not as action heavy and gritty as I wanted it (which I feared), but I sure didn't hate it either. I think it needed more action beats, and grittiness. But I thought the dramatic moments was really well done tho.
Just finished watching the 5 part show and i must say your analysis was spot on.
I couldn’t agree more! Now bring back Definition!!
I wondered what happened to Definition lol
People complaining about there wasn't enough New York-based Daredevil, in a show not titled "Daredevil", set in a place 1,424 miles away from Hell's Kitchen, where he had literally no business going, is weird af. Some of y'all set the most unrealistic expectations for, both these shows and for yourselves.
First episode was weird paced and edited. I think episode 5 was way too short. But in General I really liked it. I was invested in the Story and in Echo's arc.
Random but I miss Luke Cage AND BushMaster 😢