Man, growing up as a '90s kid...we had Nickelodeon at its best, especially with the game shows. GUTS, Legends of the Hidden Temple, Double Dare, Nick Arcade, Wild and Crazy Kids, What Would You Do?, and Figure It Out...aww, man, what a lineup.
Fun fact: The voice of Olmec (the stone face) in Legends of the Hidden Temple is Dee Bradley Baker, one of the most prolific voice actors of all time. Some of his credits include Appa & Momo in Avatar the Last Airbender, Naga, Pabu, & Tarrlok in Legend of Korra, Perry the Platypus in Phineas & Ferb, all the clones in Star Wars the Clone Wars, & Klaus in American Dad.
Same here. I got all of them. However, I was embarrassed for the teens who didn't recognize Chris Hardwick, Jenny McCarthy, Ben Stein and Jimmy Kimmel.
7:00 *GUTS kids covered head to toe in protective gear, shooting foam weapons, strapped into harnesses and tied to short range bungee cords, jumping off of padding onto more padding, being assisted by several adults* "Wow, it looks so difficult and dangerous!" 🥴 Okay then. Lmao
While touring Nickelodeon Studios, i saw the set of Figure It Out while it was being built. I got slimed on the Double Dare set, too! It was an awesome day!
I still have this vivid memory of Figure It Out where Danny Tamborelli got slimed. Danny looking up: "Come on, give to me!" *slime goes straight into his mouth*
Lucas, the Bahamas are part of North America. Here is the list of the 23 countries that are part of North America for reference. Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Barbados Belize Canada Costa Rica Cuba Dominica Dominican Republic El Salvador Grenada Guatemala Haiti Honduras Jamaica Mexico Nicaragua Panama Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Trinidad and Tobago United States
I actually attended two different tapings of the Figure It Out show. The first time was in '97, and my friend and I were chosen, among several others, to sit behind the celebrity panel, and when Lori Beth Denberg got slimed, she threw her head back and splashed all of us sitting behind her. The camera cut to all of us laughing and wiping off, and I'm just sitting there with a look of absolute disbelief on my face 😂
Legends of the Hidden Temple was my FAVORITE show growing up. I always wanted to be on it so freakin bad!! Also Double Dare and Figure it out would of been super cool to be on. So much nostalgia
I remember Win Ben Steins Money, Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Robot Wars (although not with Jeremy Clarkson as host) Robot Wars was the UK version of the show, when it was adapted for US audiences the show was called Battle Bots. It was fun remembering some of the later to be famous people on these shows, for instance Jimmy Kimmel as co host on Win Ben Steins Money.
Actually, Battle Bots and the American version of Robot Wars were different shows. Battle Bots was ONLY the custom robots, while Robot Wars also had the traps in the arena and the house robots.
@5:00 Ummm, this wasn't a board game, it was a Computer game! It may have gotten a board game, but it NEVER started out that way. So happy to see my fav game show of all time (Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?) on this list, but several of these I never even heard of. Then again most of the 90s I only watched certain channels, like I loved watching Nickelodeon and Disney until the late 90s. Never watched MTV because I was more interested in VHS lol.
I was just coming to say this! They released it on the NES the same year it came out for PC. I played for hours on end. Still one of my favorite games.
@@jl7998 Yeah, my 2nd grade year, Where in the USA had just came out on PC and my school actually had it for our weekly computer class. It was my fav game and it was pivotal in my interest in traveling and learning about different places.
I loved all these growing up, especially Guts and Legends of the Hidden Temple! My sister and I watched these all growing up. Great shows! The old school hidden temple was so good!
the a cappella group who did the theme song for where in the world is Carman Sandiego is called Rockapella and they are amazing! you should do at gen z/adults react to them.
Legends of the Hidden Temple was one of my favorite shows to watch when I was kid! Fast forward to now, and believe it or not, I know someone who was on the show. One day at one of my old jobs I found one of my co-workers wearing a Green Monkey t-shirt. We talked a good while about it.
To be far, I'm a '95er and only knew really about Carmen Sandiego from the video games xD the Ben Stein one I knew from Leigh Bardugo saying in an interview she was a contestant on his show once--and no, sadly, she didn't win his moola. Lol
I was born in 88 and I have never heard of "Family Challenge". I LOVED hidden temple but still couldn't remember the name lol, that show just disappeared.
I love Legends Of The Hidden Temple so much that I'll never forget the title. When I'm old and dying I'll probably be saying things like "I hope I can watch Legends Of The Hidden Temple all day in heaven."
I still remember the theme song for Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego? Also I used to watch Win Ben Stein's Money, but it was on Game Show Network at the time.
I only missed American challenge (I said American gladiator) and robot wars (had no clue) every other one I got on the first clue... but then again I'm 36 years old so I watched most of them when they were airing.... the fact that no one recognized Chris Hardwick bummed me out since he's still working currently.
So did I! Except I'm 33 years old and I got Singled Out on the second clue because I didn't watch it when it was on the air. I also guessed American Gladiators instead of Family Challenge.
I watched so much Nickelodeon. Legends of the Hidden Temple, GUTS, and Figure It Out all in one video! The nostalgia is real here! Then Comedy Central's Win Ben Stein's Money to top it off! Ben Stein would come on before the UK version of Whose Line is it Anyway? so I wound up watching the show before Whose Line A LOT!
Oh gosh, aside from not knowing one or two, i knew and watched most of these haha ah I'm old, my childhood/teen yrs and to boot my birthday is a week and a half away, lmbo thanks React for the flash back and reminder 😂😂😂
Hey, REACT. You should definitely have Gen Z know some 80's TV shows for the next "Do They Know It?". Have them know these classic shows. Suggestions: 1. Saved by the Bell (1989-1993) 2. Murder, She Wrote (1984-1996) 3. Reading Rainbow (1983-2006) 4. America's Funniest Home Videos (1989-present) 5. Doogie Howser, M.D. (1989-1993) 6. Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994) 7. Cops (1989-present)
I was actually seeing the whole set of "Legend Of The Hidden Temple" from a sound room. It was so cool seeing it from Nickelodeon Studios back in the mid 90s.
My favourite show is Who wants to be a Millionaire and I immediately recognise the symbol. I watch a lot of Nickelodeon back in the day and all of them are so fun to watch, I have always wanted to be in one of the show especially the Hidden temple. It's so fun. Kids these days saying it's dangerous. It's not, they have bumpers everywhere even in the 90's. They put styrofoam in the pits. So of course it's safe, if not, our parents wouldn't allow us to enter the game. So nostalgic though 😢
13:33 Two things about the money. First, accounting for inflation, the value would be closer to 10k and secondly, it was more about the fun and entertainment than it was about the $.
Carmen Sandiego scared me as a kid. I kept expecting her to come out and kidnap one of those children! Legends of the Hidden Temple was my shiiiit. I always wanted to do that. And now I do escape rooms and fail 🤣
I've seen Millionaire, Carmen Sandiego, Figure it Out and Guts. How about game shows like SuperMarket Sweep, Hollywood Squares Game, Deal or No Deal or Minute to Win It?
Deal or No Deal and Minute to Win It premiered in the 2000s, while Supermarket Sweep and Hollywood Squares originated in the 1960s. These are shows that premiered in the 1990s (Millionaire started in 1999, though much of its fame was 2000 and later).
Legends of the hidden temple was more than putting the golden monkey together... no offense, but I don't think Lucus could handle the other challenges...
I mean, yeah, putting together shrine of the silver monkey there was more to it he had to go on the steps of knowledge cross the moat go through the temple without getting caught
Kirk Fogg revealed that they filmed several shows in one day, in sequence. All the moats. All the steps of knowledge. All the temple games. By the time they got to the temple runs, the kids were EXHAUSTED!
Man, growing up as a '90s kid...we had Nickelodeon at its best, especially with the game shows. GUTS, Legends of the Hidden Temple, Double Dare, Nick Arcade, Wild and Crazy Kids, What Would You Do?, and Figure It Out...aww, man, what a lineup.
Nostalgia for sure
Damn you named them all bro. Cool👍🏼
Fun fact: The voice of Olmec (the stone face) in Legends of the Hidden Temple is Dee Bradley Baker, one of the most prolific voice actors of all time.
Some of his credits include Appa & Momo in Avatar the Last Airbender, Naga, Pabu, & Tarrlok in Legend of Korra, Perry the Platypus in Phineas & Ferb, all the clones in Star Wars the Clone Wars, & Klaus in American Dad.
He also voiced Olmec in the movie and the adult reboot
Dee Bradley Baker is a true GOAT voice actor.
Not to mention that he was also the announcer for the game show Shop Til You Drop.
That "Who wants to be a Millionaire" flex was EVERYTHING!
Hi Dee how are you doing?
I remember almost all of those shows! I grew up with Carmen Sandiego, Guts, and Hidden Temple. I even used to watch Ben Stein with my Dad!
Same here. I got all of them. However, I was embarrassed for the teens who didn't recognize Chris Hardwick, Jenny McCarthy, Ben Stein and Jimmy Kimmel.
I also grew up watching Carmen San Diego.
I miss these 90’s game show. My childhood was so cool! So much nostalgia!
Fun fact: A.J. McLean was a contestant on Guts back in the day and he would go on to join and form the Backstreet Boys a year later
Really? I never knew that, and I've been a BSB fan since the beginning! I'd like to see that episode of him on that show! I love AJ so much!☺️ 💜💋
Yep. I remember that!
This was a fun one! I loved Legends of the Hidden Temple and Guts!
Raise your hand if you wanted to be on Guts, Figure It Out, & Legends of the Hidden Temple sooooo badly as a kid 🤚🏽😭
Real bad!!!
Sooooo bad! If they brought it back for adults I'd soooo do it!!
@@JONASGIRL4EVER412 well you’re In luck!! They actually brought it back on the CW cable channel!!!
i do not have hands so ill raise my foot for guts
@@daviongibson1887 say more words 👀
7:00
*GUTS kids covered head to toe in protective gear, shooting foam weapons, strapped into harnesses and tied to short range bungee cords, jumping off of padding onto more padding, being assisted by several adults*
"Wow, it looks so difficult and dangerous!"
🥴 Okay then. Lmao
Yep GUTS was more so American Gladiators for Kids on Steroids lolz
While touring Nickelodeon Studios, i saw the set of Figure It Out while it was being built. I got slimed on the Double Dare set, too! It was an awesome day!
I was born April 14, 1990. I love all these shows. My childhood. Love this episode. So much nostalgia.
"That looked dangerous."
90-99% of kids wanted to be on Guts when I was growing up.
I did!
I love the host saying, lets see if this will help you Figure it out and the clip is figure it out
Anyone else's mind blown by the baby faced AJ McLean in the thumbnail from Guts?
Hi Michelle
Man, seeing Figure It Out on there gave me SO much nostalgia, that and Legends of the Hidden Temple/Nickalodeon were my favorite game shows
Same
I still have this vivid memory of Figure It Out where Danny Tamborelli got slimed.
Danny looking up: "Come on, give to me!"
*slime goes straight into his mouth*
This was so much fun to film! I still can’t believe I got Robot Wars right hahahah
As a kid Guts and Legend of the Hidden Temple were the ones I wanted to be on. Now I can't keep the Carmen San Diego theme out of my head.
R.I.P. Regis Philbin, Ray Combs and Lynne Thigpen
I actually saw the set for “Legend of the hidden temple” when I took a tour at Nickelodeon Studios. Omg such a long time ago back in the 90s.
Lucas, the Bahamas are part of North America. Here is the list of the 23 countries that are part of North America for reference.
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Grenada
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
United States
The United States, defines North America as USA, Mexico and Canada.
@@jeffreyware6693 and as pretty much always the United States is wrong.
I actually attended two different tapings of the Figure It Out show. The first time was in '97, and my friend and I were chosen, among several others, to sit behind the celebrity panel, and when Lori Beth Denberg got slimed, she threw her head back and splashed all of us sitting behind her. The camera cut to all of us laughing and wiping off, and I'm just sitting there with a look of absolute disbelief on my face 😂
Legends of the Hidden Temple was my FAVORITE show growing up. I always wanted to be on it so freakin bad!!
Also Double Dare and Figure it out would of been super cool to be on. So much nostalgia
Yes! Do a part 2! DO A PART 2!!!
10:35 LITERALLY GAVE YOU THE ANSWER!! Are you kidding me?!?!
My 90’s self is screaming right now I loved legends of the hidden Temple
I have a photo of myself and Olmec from 1992 when I was 6. I was also SCREAMING!
*As did I. Kirk Fogg is my number ONE favorite 90's Nick game show hosts.*
Man, they never got to see the glory of scaling the Aggro Crag!?
Right?? Legendary and they just ignored it
OMG yes I know. I wanted to be on guts so badly
I just realized that Figure it Out is the kid version of What's My Line.
They should've gotten points for Family Challenge because I'm 40 and never heard of it until now.
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I don't blame you these kids 4 not knowing these shows, but the attitudes that some of these kids have is crazy
I’m old enough to see all these 90s game shows but never heard of Family Challenge.
I remember Win Ben Steins Money, Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Robot Wars (although not with Jeremy Clarkson as host) Robot Wars was the UK version of the show, when it was adapted for US audiences the show was called Battle Bots.
It was fun remembering some of the later to be famous people on these shows, for instance Jimmy Kimmel as co host on Win Ben Steins Money.
for the robot wars one the one kid guessed battle bots the american version of the show. he should of got the point since their both the same..
Actually, Battle Bots and the American version of Robot Wars were different shows.
Battle Bots was ONLY the custom robots, while Robot Wars also had the traps in the arena and the house robots.
90s had the best game shows both for kids & adults
Y'all should have given more info on the shows, I legit would have KILLED to be on Legends of the Hidden Temple
I SO wanted to be on guts myself
Hi Molly how are you doing?
Family challenge looks like Double Dare, but I’ve never heard of Family Challenge.
Hi Bridgett how are you?
@5:00 Ummm, this wasn't a board game, it was a Computer game! It may have gotten a board game, but it NEVER started out that way.
So happy to see my fav game show of all time (Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?) on this list, but several of these I never even heard of. Then again most of the 90s I only watched certain channels, like I loved watching Nickelodeon and Disney until the late 90s. Never watched MTV because I was more interested in VHS lol.
I was just coming to say this! They released it on the NES the same year it came out for PC. I played for hours on end. Still one of my favorite games.
@@jl7998 Yeah, my 2nd grade year, Where in the USA had just came out on PC and my school actually had it for our weekly computer class. It was my fav game and it was pivotal in my interest in traveling and learning about different places.
I remember watching the Carmen San Diego game show & the animated series.
Sad, no Supermarket Sweep
I loved all these growing up, especially Guts and Legends of the Hidden Temple! My sister and I watched these all growing up. Great shows! The old school hidden temple was so good!
the a cappella group who did the theme song for where in the world is Carman Sandiego is called Rockapella and they are amazing! you should do at gen z/adults react to them.
Jimmy Kimmel was the guy reading the categories on win Ben steins money
Hi Jennifer how are you?
Where in the World is Carmen San Diego was a TV game show, a board game, a computer game, and a Netflix cartoon series.
Carmen Sandiego had 2 cartoons. The other was Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego on CBS
TRIVIA: Mike O'Malley of "Guts" is better know for his role as Kurt's Dad, Burt Hummel on "Glee".
Legends of the Hidden Temple was one of my favorite shows to watch when I was kid! Fast forward to now, and believe it or not, I know someone who was on the show. One day at one of my old jobs I found one of my co-workers wearing a Green Monkey t-shirt. We talked a good while about it.
Fun Fact: Legends of the hidden temple was super rigged! they prevented so many kids from winning because they couldnt afford the prizes.
They kept locking off certain paths.
I will acknowledge that fact, but I will also feign ignorance because I loved Legends of the Hidden Temple
To be far, I'm a '95er and only knew really about Carmen Sandiego from the video games xD the Ben Stein one I knew from Leigh Bardugo saying in an interview she was a contestant on his show once--and no, sadly, she didn't win his moola. Lol
The "Legends of the Hidden Temple" reboot needs a second chance in a heartbeat! It needs to be the same as the original for today's kids and teens.
Where in the world is.. (deep voice) Carmen Sandiego?
I was born in 88 and I have never heard of "Family Challenge". I LOVED hidden temple but still couldn't remember the name lol, that show just disappeared.
I love Legends Of The Hidden Temple so much that I'll never forget the title. When I'm old and dying I'll probably be saying things like "I hope I can watch Legends Of The Hidden Temple all day in heaven."
So amazing shows from the 90s!
@A Suicune On The OBX they don't have the attention span.
3:18 Lucas would’ve screamed like a girl if one of the guards caught him
Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego was actually based on a computer game, not a board game.
Jesus I feel old because I watched everyone one of those shows as a kid….
You opened a deep rooted memory with GUTS and Singled Out
I still remember the theme song for Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego?
Also I used to watch Win Ben Stein's Money, but it was on Game Show Network at the time.
I only missed American challenge (I said American gladiator) and robot wars (had no clue) every other one I got on the first clue... but then again I'm 36 years old so I watched most of them when they were airing.... the fact that no one recognized Chris Hardwick bummed me out since he's still working currently.
So did I! Except I'm 33 years old and I got Singled Out on the second clue because I didn't watch it when it was on the air. I also guessed American Gladiators instead of Family Challenge.
Hi Tiffy how are you?
I’m 40 and have never heard of Family Challenge.
Yeah I thought it was Family Double Dare.
Same
Carmen Sandiego was my middle school after school must-watch. And it was such a good vehicle to introduce Rockapella to a new generation. 😁
Hi Moriah how are you?
Nickelodeon GUTS has the best intro to any game show ever! That song always got me pumped up to watch the show!
I feel so old. But also these kids have no idea what fun is anymore! They seem so sheltered. This is what fun used to be
I watched so much Nickelodeon. Legends of the Hidden Temple, GUTS, and Figure It Out all in one video! The nostalgia is real here! Then Comedy Central's Win Ben Stein's Money to top it off! Ben Stein would come on before the UK version of Whose Line is it Anyway? so I wound up watching the show before Whose Line A LOT!
i would've gotten all of these shows right because i was born in the 90s. legends of the hidden temple was my favorite show as a kid.
*Same.*
singled out! i was blinking til the second clue. i was like "its that jenny mccarthy show. loveline?"
Sofia should have got a half a point for Who Wants (Wanna) Be a Millionaire.
I was born in the 80’s but didn’t know half of them because we didn’t have cable in Canada in the early 90’s. All we got was Maury 😂
Robot Wars, Legends of the Hidden Temple, Guts, Figure it Out and Who Wants to be a Millionaire were my shit.
Oh gosh, aside from not knowing one or two, i knew and watched most of these haha ah I'm old, my childhood/teen yrs and to boot my birthday is a week and a half away, lmbo thanks React for the flash back and reminder 😂😂😂
Hey, REACT. You should definitely have Gen Z know some 80's TV shows for the next "Do They Know It?". Have them know these classic shows.
Suggestions:
1. Saved by the Bell (1989-1993)
2. Murder, She Wrote (1984-1996)
3. Reading Rainbow (1983-2006)
4. America's Funniest Home Videos (1989-present)
5. Doogie Howser, M.D. (1989-1993)
6. Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994)
7. Cops (1989-present)
Figure it out and Legends of the Hidden Temple were amazing! Lets go Green Monkeys and Silver snakes
I was born in 91. Loved watching these shows and I feel so old!
Born in 91 also. Loved all these shows. Would love to relive childhood.
They’d know who Ben Stein was if they’d seen Ferris Beuler’s Day Off, and I’m also surprised they didn’t recognize Jimmy Kimmel.
two things i love: 90s and game shows
The 90's was my era, and I didn't even know half of these shows...but I miss shows like these.
Hi Mariah how are you?
Legends of the hidden temple，My childhood. You guys should also include beakman's world！ That is also legendary！
... they should have had Double Dare 2000. ;)
Even back then people do stupid stuff. But it's less dangerous compare to social media challenges. Since Game shows have actual emergency backup.
GUTS was the olympics for kids. i wanted to be on it so bad as a kid
I was actually seeing the whole set of "Legend Of The Hidden Temple" from a sound room. It was so cool seeing it from Nickelodeon Studios back in the mid 90s.
Watched Nickelodeon’s GUTS and Global Guts growing up! Loved the theme song and how the kids represented their countries!
I knew all of Nickelodeon's 90's shows. 90s Nickelodeon in general is the BEST!!
Nickelodeon before SpongeBob and Dora was AMAZING!!
@@MrSteeleLovesHoops Yep.
I used to play the " Where in the world is Carmen Santiago " game all the time. never did find her.
Hi Jenn how are you?
My favourite show is Who wants to be a Millionaire and I immediately recognise the symbol. I watch a lot of Nickelodeon back in the day and all of them are so fun to watch, I have always wanted to be in one of the show especially the Hidden temple. It's so fun. Kids these days saying it's dangerous. It's not, they have bumpers everywhere even in the 90's. They put styrofoam in the pits. So of course it's safe, if not, our parents wouldn't allow us to enter the game. So nostalgic though 😢
Hi rina how are you?
Robot Wars was the British one...Battle Bots was the American tv show. Foul play!
I thought it was called battle bots. Makes sense.
We need more of these episodes thank you kindly.
13:33 Two things about the money. First, accounting for inflation, the value would be closer to 10k and secondly, it was more about the fun and entertainment than it was about the $.
Bruv Im a teen and how tf do they not know who wants to be a millionaire
Ikr
I love how on Figure It Out he told them what it is. 😂
I was born in ‘95 and only knew millionaire and Carmen San Diego and only knew Carmen San Diego because it’s a show on Netflix 😂
Carmen Sandiego scared me as a kid. I kept expecting her to come out and kidnap one of those children!
Legends of the Hidden Temple was my shiiiit. I always wanted to do that. And now I do escape rooms and fail 🤣
Lol 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣
Legends of the Hidden Temple is where you should be afraid of getting kidnapped.
I've seen Millionaire, Carmen Sandiego, Figure it Out and Guts.
How about game shows like SuperMarket Sweep, Hollywood Squares Game, Deal or No Deal or Minute to Win It?
Deal or No Deal and Minute to Win It premiered in the 2000s, while Supermarket Sweep and Hollywood Squares originated in the 1960s. These are shows that premiered in the 1990s (Millionaire started in 1999, though much of its fame was 2000 and later).
“Do teens know” come on Im
33 🤣and didn’t know some
Of these 🤣🤣
Right?! Never heard of family challenge 🥴😂
I wish those shows to come back again they look so much fun
My inner child is CRYING right now.
You should’ve added in “Shop til’ you drop” in this.
Not to mention Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?
I don’t think I know that one, but it sounds good
Supermarket sweep too
Ooh and supermarket sweep,watched both lol
I miss these shows. So much nostalgia for me 😃
Wait, Jeremy Clarkson had other jobs than Top Gear and Grand Tour? On that bombshell...
Knew Millionaire and Robot Wars as we had those in the uk. Got Carmen Sandiago from the character. We had the cartoon.
Fun fact: AJ McLean of Backstreet Boys was a contestant on an episode of Guts.
Oh my god, I think I remember that!
Legends of the hidden temple was more than putting the golden monkey together... no offense, but I don't think Lucus could handle the other challenges...
I mean, yeah, putting together shrine of the silver monkey there was more to it he had to go on the steps of knowledge cross the moat go through the temple without getting caught
Two words: Temple Guards
Kirk Fogg revealed that they filmed several shows in one day, in sequence. All the moats. All the steps of knowledge. All the temple games. By the time they got to the temple runs, the kids were EXHAUSTED!
@@PHSDM104 dang
@@jamieharrell5321 Exactly! I'd struggle with the Silver Monkey too if I went through all that.
I’m a 70’s kid. Figure It Out reminded me of The Gong Show, but more obtuse.
come on, give them babies the point. they were close. going to be a millionaire, clearly they know the show they just couldnt get the exact name
I agree. They understood and remembered the idea of that.
The first one, I’d give Half a point
Who didn’t want to be on LOTHT
Family challenge and the Robert wars, only two didn’t know..