Rewind: Phil Hartman interview 1995. Topics: Pee Wee Herman, The Simpsons voices, Sinatra & more
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- I sat down with Phil Hartman in 1995 to discuss a number of things including: Movie cameos, Pee Wee Herman, his characters on The Simpsons, Frank Sinatra, and recording telephone answering machine messages.
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R.I.P. Phil Hartman
(1948-1998)
Anyone named Bob now has their new voicemail message
Captain Carl was a highlight of that special: "Deeper! Deeper STILL! How do you feel?"
Still hurts when we had to say goodbye to him. I feel the same about Norm McDonald. The comedy was natural and funny with them - not forced. I still find myself trying to imitate Phil Hartman with my own Troy McClure voice. Or trying to do a Norm McDonald story that takes forever and laugh more at myself before I can finish. Funny how the fondest memories make us the saddest.
I laughed at “sorry wrong closet!”
It was interesting to me how Phil chose to not correct the interviewer when he mistakenly called his latest show "Talk Radio". Phil obviously noticed the mistake, but he is such a humble guy that he just let it pass.
That would've been a more marketable title. Maybe they couldn't use it because there was already a movie by that name. I think a lot of the audience just saw the word "news" and didn't even bother to watch it, either assuming it would be boring or was actually a news program. They also maybe should've just gone with The Phil Hartman Show. It worked for Mary Tyler Moore's news-based sitcom.
It's an especially strange mistake seeing as how Phil mentioned the show by name just a few minutes before.
Great interview
Hilarious interview!
It's so hard to get a read on who he really is. Sometimes there is BPD, sometimes insecurities. Who is the real Phil Hartman when he isn't on camera is the real question. RIP Phil you did some amazing stuff.
I think they reference that in the Steve Martin SNL opening with the big musical number. "I hide behind these wigs and this makeup, but tonight, I'm going to let myself shine through. Yes, you're going to see, the real Phil Hartman tonight!" "I wouldn't do that, Phil." "Okay."
Phil's greatest role, Troy McClure.
Dang, just lost it with his Jack Nicholson. 😂
Wow watching this I realize I’ve never seen him in an interview before. Taken far too soon from us.
I still think his is the best Nicholson impression of all time.
Now they've reunited.
I liked the Phil Hartman Captain Carl character on Pee Wee's Playhouse, but they couldn't resolve their business financial issues.
Troy McClure.
He could have been on top. He could have been greater than he already was.
I'm sure he would've been Oscar-nominated eventually, and would've definitely been competitive to get the role of J. Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man.
He gave Howard Stern his props.
We lost a legend and very talented man. RIP Phil. Too bad sound is so bad. Didn't they have a boom mic? Can't understand the interviewer at all.
Pee Wee kinda did him wrong
In what way, exactly?
@@EverAppl14 Phil told Howard Stern that he and Paul had a handshake deal that Phil would participate in the profits of the Pee-wee character if it eventually became a success, with stuff like merchandising. But after Phil stopped working on Pee-wee projects when he joined SNL, and Paul had the big merchandising success tied into the Playhouse show, he never paid any residuals to Phil from that.
@@jedijones Not exactly. The HBO special (before Pee-wee's Playhouse) involved a contract which stated that everyone involved with it would receive 3% from that specific iteration of Pee-wee. Without looking at exactly what the contract said, there's no way to know if it entitled anyone, including Phil, to a share of later Pee-wee works. According to Phil, other people involved with HBO's Pee-wee did try to take Paul to court over it, but I don't know what the outcomes were. After being in Playhouse as Captain Carl, Phil left for SNL. It would depend on what his contract working on the show at that point was before he left. Pee-wee's Playhouse the show was not exactly the same product as previous Pee-wee projects or as Pee-wee's Big Adventure, so I can see other people not receiving royalties from a character or franchise that Paul really carried himself for the most part, despite other people's contributions to plot lines or other characters. The people currently working on the show or on the stage show or on the next movies, etc, were probably entitled to all of the profits except for Paul's share during those periods. According to Paul, Phil didn't speak to him for many years also because he hadn't cast him as the convict in Pee-wee's Big Adventure, and Phil was resentful. Paul said that he admitted having been maybe a bit unfair in casting someone else for that part. I think Phil already had his other small cameo part in the movie claimed while that character was being auditioned, though. Ultimately, there's more to the motivations on both sides than we will probably ever know, especially now. People are complicated- it's not always easy to tell what exactly went down even when both people are still alive or willing to talk about it.
@@EverAppl14 Yes, most of those specific details are correct. I was just going by memory to give the gist of the story. I know Paul said Phil resented not being cast as the convict at a 25th anniversary screening, but I didn't get the feeling it was a big issue between them. It probably became a lot easier for Paul to reference that as a point of contention in their relationship rather than discuss the much thornier money issues. Mark Holton has said Phil was on the set while they were shooting Big Adventure every day. Also, they've said Phil was backstage with Pee-wee when Pee-wee hosted SNL, the year before Phil joined SNL, just as Phil was during his Letterman appearances. That happened after Big Adventure came out. So their relationship did not became strained as a result of anything that happened during Big Adventure. Phil even appeared as Captain Carl in 6 episodes of the first season of Pee-wee's Playhouse.
No matter how strained their relationship was, I don't think they completely stopped speaking to each other. Phil told Howard Stern they had spoken after Pee-wee's 1991 arrest, for instance. Phil said he never brought up the royalty issue to Paul. It probably was a bad idea for Phil to bring it up on the air with Howard Stern if he had never mentioned it to Paul first, I'll admit that. I would say there would be a VERY strong case in court for anyone who developed the Pee-wee stage show and first TV special and had a contract to be paid for derivatives of it, when it came to the profits of the Pee-wee's Playhouse show. Those were VERY similar projects, not nearly as distinct from each other as Big Adventure and Big Top Pee-wee were. The stage show, special and Playhouse TV show even shared multiple characters between them like Pterri, Jambi and Miss Yvonne. My understanding, though, is that the show itself was expensive to make and was not profitable at the time. Paul retained ownership of it in the hopes it would make money in syndication eventually (I imagine the big pay-off for it finally came on DVD and streaming). It seems likely that most of the money Paul made came from the merchandising. But, seeing as the merchandising was still a derivative of the show, that's something Phil should've been entitled to as well. I do think that Phil claims to have helped develop the Pee-wee character from start to finish, so he may have felt entitled to share in the profits of any and all things Pee-wee related.
@@jedijones Paul said that Phil "was furious and wouldn't speak to him for many years" about not casting him as the convict. I don't know when exactly that disagreement would have occurred, though. It could have been a point of contention later on if it came up as part of a larger argument. OR, they could have maintained a working relationship through the rest of the projects they did together while not speaking to each other outside of show production, I suppose. Either way, I'm sure Paul was absolutely devastated by Phil's murder and it's a shame they didn't have the years they could have otherwise to sort some of these things out.