Heat Molding Liners - Bootorials Ep. 23
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2015
- How to heat mold your ski boot liners at home. We also go through details on what heat molding is and what results you can expect from heat molding your liners.
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This is genius! You just saved me $100.00 USD.
Hey man! Just wanna say thanks for these great videos! They have really helped alot with finding a good fit in my new pair of boots.
I cant belive the shops around in my town (live in Norway) charges 90 USD ish for molding a liner, it was so easy!
Thanks alot, keep it up!
Thanks mate!
Easy bake oven! XD
Old but Gold :-D ... i remember doing it so back in the days ... now so much fancy instructions popping up and you think it is rocket sience 😀
Thank you!
Thanks Christian!
Just used the oven method on my 32's... worked perfectly!! Gas oven so I opened and closed every minute or so for circulation
Awesome great work!
hi, Craig! I want to ask you about intuition wrap liners. I have common problem after molding them. It becomes too high over my instep, looks like open throat over there. I thought about puting stockling on liner or maybe ashesive tape to fix it. Thank you
Great video. All 3.
Thanks Dominik!
Awesome vid bro!Just one question, after you put the hot liners back to the boot and wear the boot do you tighten the buckles or leave them relaxed?
Hi Ryder,
I recommend just a good firm tension with about 1 finger tension on the buckles. That just holds everything in a good position while molding and then you can customise tension later with buckle pressure! :)
hey patriot footbeds! great tutorials. got a question about the atomic hawx prime 110. I've been in touch with atomic about how the mould the liner but they have been quite reluctant about giving any information about doing it myself. They keep referring me to an authorized dealer. is there something special about the liner? how would you recommend molding them? thanks mate.
Hi mate, there is nothing too special about the Hawx liner. The 110 has the Gold thinsulate memory fit liner. For how to mold them, you can do either method that is in this video. Just be sure to take care if you are doing it yourself. The reason they recommend a dealer is that they have a lot of experience doing it and have the equipment to make the process simple. It is not a very technical process, but when people DIY mold there is the potential for error. You can get a great result if you follow these instructions and pay attention to what you are doing. If you are uncomfortable with doing the mold, just go skiing a few days and you will end up with the same result. :) Cheers
Awesome tutorial, got my first brand new pair of snowboard boots this season! It’s a bit snug so I’m hoping this will help!
Yeah great, sometimes they just need a few days on mountain to bed in also.
@@PatriotFootbeds thank you for the quick response!
Hey Craig I got a pair of Lance RX 120 and I've only skied with them for about 5 days so I assume they are starting to mold into my feet. However, the underneath forefoot (only my right foot) tend to get numb and really cold after a few runs. So my question to you is, what is your recomentation to fox this problem? Why is this happening?
Hi mate,
There is only usually a few reasons for this. Can be compression at the instep, constriction of the forefoot or pressure further up the leg. First thing is to get a footbed or analyse your current one.
Also next time this happens, quickly take your boot and sock off in the lodge and see where on your foot is inflamed or white. Usually a quick liner or shell modification can sort it out.
Cheers
Question for the oven method... I don't have convection oven but a traditional gas burning oven, and you say to open the lid a bit to get airflow. Have you tried this method before? I assume I need to pre heat the oven and put the liners in and THEN I crack the oven door? My major concern is that the oven will lose too much heat so just curious if you could expand on the oven method on a traditional gas oven?
Hi Colton, Yeah the key is to just get some airflow as the gas oven will tend to be hotter up top and less in bottom. Where a fan forced is circulating the air more evenly. I would air on the side of caution and just go a little lower with the temperature.
It really wont be critical to be 100% accurate on temp and your liners will also mold with a few days use. So I would say give em a bit of a heat mold but go easy and don't stress too much and then let your body warmth and skiing do the rest! :)
How should I figure out if my new snowboard boots are heat-moldable? I bought a Nitro anthem tls and I'm not feeling comfortable.
Thanks for the video! So how many times can you heat mold a boot liner?
About 20 times but the potential reduces after about 7-8 times
Good video, man.
Thank you. Can you believe this is 8 years old? :) I should really update this
@@PatriotFootbedsunreal for sure! Boots have come a long way! But a good solid heat mold is always a good thing.
Hi Craig, just a quick question. I got myself a new pair of K2 Pinnacle 100 boots after years of using rentals. It feels great, snug and really improved my skiing. However I feel it is a bit tight at the top of my foot around the area of the second bottom (danger) buckle. Even though I leave this buckle pretty loose. This pressure is probably causing a poor blood flow resulting in cold toes.
The liners there are supposed to be heat moldable.
Can heat molding improve it?
Sure can. Will be worth doing to try improve it. Even add some foam there to the trouble spoton your foot, while doing the heat mold to get some good relief.
Patriot Footbeds Thanks for the quick response!!! What do you mean by adding foam?
I mean literally adding some foam or material to help bulk out that are of the liner when molding. If you look at the bottom of this page you can see an example of what I am saying :) www.slidewright.com/heating-and-molding-intuition-ski-or-snowboard-boot-liners/
Patriot Footbeds Thanks! Great suggestion!!
How much can you realistically stretch a liner? I have a very low volume, yet long, foot, that mostly works best in 27.5 boots. But liners are always too small.
Hey!
I used this guide on several boots, worked great! Thanks!
I now have a boot with the Mimic liner from Atomic. I've seen on their video things are a bit different. Would you happend to know anything about temperatur needed to heat it up, and if its still DIY'able?
Cheers!
Paul
Hi Paul,
Great to hear!
Yeah the Mimic liner should still mould really well. I would suggest the rice method as it is not as much heat and will just get a good starting mold on the inside of the liner. :)
Cheers
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Very helpful information. Thank you so much for sharing your expertise! Now, a question: I am waiting for a new pair of Salomon X Pro 130 to arrive today. It's liners and shells are heat moldable. I would think I should heat mold the liners first, and then the shells second. Not the other way around. Do you agree? Or should they be heat molded at the same time?
Hi Ken, For best results you mold both at the same time. If the boot is a pretty good fit shell wise from the outset, just start with the liner.
Patriot Footbeds, thank you!
Now, if we decide to mold both at the same time, should we leave the liners inside the shells and heat them up to 100C or so? Or, should they be separately heated up? The latter may not work since the liners could be deformed while being pushed into the shells. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Separately is best for adequate and even heating. It wont deform your liners, it is just softening the foam. (Not turning them into jello.) If you have access to a ski shop, I would suggest using their Salomon oven and a liner heater as it will get it just right. If you are doing it at home, don't heat the liner as much as the shell.
Thank you!
If you have a heat moldable shell and liner (Salomon x pro 120). Do you cook them at the same time?
+j heinz Yes, in the store I heat the shells in the oven and the liners on the heat stack. This when put all back together will give the best mold. There are a few videos around on YT that will show you the "custom shell" process. Cheers
Both my shells and liners are customisable. Which do I do first? If I do the shell, will liners conform when replaced without being individually heated?
Lynne Anne Rodgers Hi Lynne, for best results you should do both at the same time. Even if you don't mold the liner, it will begin to conform to your foot while skiing.
Thank you 😉
Hi Craig. Last saison i bought a pair of K2 Spyne 130 hv and i put them through 35 days of ski without having them molded. I have 2 questions for you: do you think i should get them molded and what do you think of that model of boots.
Keep up the good work,
Danny
Hi Danny,
After 35 days of skiing your liners should be well and truly bedded in. Are you still having some fit issues with them? You could still try a shell molding on them to get a bit of shape, but you would need to be targeting something specific or changing out a footbed to warrant molding on the liners.
And I like the Spyne a lot, is a great boot! :)
@@PatriotFootbeds Thanks a lot. No i dont have any issues with them. I bougt them after watching a bunch of bootorials and they fit like a pair of slippers. I was just woundering if they realy had to be molded.
Love your videos,
Danny
@@MrANTLERS Awesome! Yeah no worries. Certainly don't have to mold a boot. It purely is a tactic to make an off-the-shelf boot take shape and feel comfortable from the get go.
If you can ski a boot in, it is even better and will give a more precise fit! :)
Any advice on popping out the instep area on a hard top tongue of a Salomon S/Pro 130? Should I pad my foot insteps to give some extra room while wearing a heated liner inside the boot on 1st buckle? Or do I hand mold the tongue plastic and then cool with ice?
Hi Tom, Yeah the best approach will be to first pad your foot and mold the liner. If that doesn't get it where you need it, I would suggest manipulating the foam with a golf ball or broom handle. And then if that still hasn't sorted it, I would then look to grind the plastic in this area.
@@PatriotFootbeds sweet. I love your all mountain footbed. Wish you had a 100mm (wide) thin with metatarsal. My toes/foot burns after some hours. I have your wife's foot, but my big toe is also naturally lifted.
Hi, I have just finished watching everything that's been ever posted by Patriotic Footbeds, the videos are awesome! Forgive me if the following question sounds lame:) I have encountered opinions that different liners should be heated with different temperatures while the some of them (e.g. Lange liners) should not be heated at all. Could you refer to this opinion? As a fresh Lange boots owner I naturally wouldnt like to destroy them.
+Michal Zagrodzki Hi Michal, Im glad you like the videos!! Your question is not lame at all. When it comes to liners, basically all modern ski boot liners are heat moldable. This means that with heat, the foam inside your liner will take shape around your foot. Now whether this is done by just skiing in them (with body warmth) until they "break in" or if you add heat to mold them, you will eventually end up at the same result. The way I see it, is that you are getting to the desired result faster by adding heat and softening the foam. So there is no valid reason to not heat mold a new liner. When it comes to temperature, the range is only slight, with recommendations of usually between 80-100 degrees C. (or 176-212 F) for approx 10 mins. The only risk is if you get your liners too hot, or you leave them for too long. Also many liners can be re-molded more than once. The purpose is to help you be comfortable and get the best shape you can for the first few ski days. As long as you take a bit of care when molding,(even with langes) you will be just fine!! Hope that helps :) Cheers, Craig
+Michal Zagrodzki same question here, I have Lange liners and would like to know is it ok to heat them in oven
+ttgflow First of all - thanks to Craig for the advice:) I heated my Lange liners in an oven and have had no problems with them since. Just be careful careful not to overheat.
+Michal Zagrodzki
thank you for sharing that information!
I will try first with hair dryer - got information from this link www.epicski.com/t/30309/lange-custom-air-concept-liner-question and if it won't be good enough, I'll try with the oven
+ttgflow You will definitely be fine with the oven! :) As long as you stay within the heat and the time on a lined tray, you will not damage your liner! It will give you a more uniform heating throughout and give you a better result. Cheers Mate
Thanks bud. 2021
Hey there! Recetly purchased Hagan CORE ST women touring ski boot, and im curious, if I can heat shape outer shell like let's say Salomon MNT.. Or is just inner liner can be heat treated!? Thank you!
Yes you can! The shells and liners are moldable in the Kore boot.
@@PatriotFootbeds Niceee, thank you! I love to watch your vid's, good energy you have! 👍👍
@@mmusic9194 Thanks mate!
Hi...I didn't read all the Q and A's....But I have a question..I just purchased a new pair of boots via mail...Winging the process of going to a shop..I'm in Poland the shop in Germany..My question is the boot is the exact length toe to heal so my toes slightly curl....How many millimetres do you think the thermoflex can move with the heating proces ? I think i need like 5mm for super comfort...Will i get it or should i get a pair one size larger...Cheers...By the way good vid....
Hi Rob, If you do a shell check (foot in boot shell without the liner) are you saying there is no space between your foot length and internal boot length? Ideally you want to have 5-15mm for a good performance fit. Also which boot model have you purchased?
@@PatriotFootbeds no there is space... I just spoke to the sellers so if i lean forward on the boot the toe does not touch...They think it's correct and with the heat process it will be OK..if i stand up right it touches with pressure....The boot is a Deeluxe T325....A hard snowboard boot...
@@Rob.Kisiel Yeah that sounds good to me. You can check for sure if you follow along my Shell Fitting series of videos. I think once you do a mold it will only get better.
Thinking about doing this, wondering if the plastic to tighten the laces on the liner won't melt?
Just use the Rice method if you are concerned about any of the materials.
@@PatriotFootbeds tried it anyways and it worked really well :)
Why didnt you use plastic bag to get inside to the boot more easier? And shouldnt you take of the custom made footbeds out when heating up liners with rise?
Yes, you should always remove the footbeds when heating a liner. Never want to risk deforming the structure of the footbed.
Also I have never considered using a plastic bag. Sounds like an interesting idea!
@@PatriotFootbeds I have seen plastic bag used in top of the ski sock to reduse friction in the step in.
Interesting. :)
Can you mould second hand liners?
Possibly. It depends on how much they have been used. Its not likely that heat molding a second hand liner will do much besides stink out the ski shop or your house :) Its best to really just ski in them a few days for them to mold in a bit to your feet.
Uh footbeds in the liners before putting your feet in the hot liners ?
Yes, otherwise your feet wont be in the correct position when you mold.
Can the liner be heated more than once?
Not usually very successfully. If you are still having issues after molding once, Id recommend getting more specific on altering your liner to the trouble spot.
I dunno if there's a trick but, i've "successfully" managed to heat my liners and mold them which is great but now, my liners smell rice... Suggestions to get rid of the "smell" of the rice?
Hey Patriot Footbeds,
Good Job, but don't forget to recommend 'Gas mask' and 'gloves' when heating liners : Polyethylen, Polyurethan, Chemical Neopren Glue, Inks, PVC..... specially when liners comes from outside Europe CEE = Health Bomb !!
From what I know now, Palau Ski boot liners is the only CEE Brand manufacturer.
Ski Brands are very carefull with heating method, you'll see more and more rice , blowing or low heating method to avoid any problems. I 'm pretty sure they will be packed inside after few days skiing.
Thanks mate! I agree that a few days skiing usually sorts it out. Great points about the fumes and chemicals! :)
I'm thinking a nice brown basmati works best.. Right on, thanks man.. And looks like you also live in an old ass house with shit for heat. I too wear a puffy in my place ha ha... love it
Haha, I have since renovated my place which has been awesome, but lived like that for many years! :)
Should you flex the whole time you are in the heated liner?
I would suggest flexing a couple of times and then just standing still in the boots. It shouldnt matter too much really, but you dont want to over compress the foam.
Patriot Footbeds thankyou
No worries. Good luck with it.
I just got my first set of boots recommended by a bootfitter. God damn they are so tight! Like wearing a pair of shoes at least 1 size too small if not more. I'm just trusting that he did it right and they will be good after break in. They're a mondo 26.5 with a 100mm lass. My feet are 26.5cm with 98 width. I've only had rental boots before and they either gave me black toes or had so much space they were like a floppy wellington boot.
Yep, that sounds good to me in terms of sizing. Have faith, give them a little time.
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Which one?
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There are many videos in which people are putting entire boots in an oven, not just liners. Is it better to just do liners?
It just depends on your goals for fitting. Ultimate is to just go and just ski with your liners to break them in. Better than the oven, can be just a sock full of rice to heat up the internal of your liner for nice and easy heat molding. Then its the full liner in the oven if you are feeling very restricted. And then lastly the full boot shell molding if you have width issues or hot spots you need to sort out.
@@PatriotFootbeds Thank you for explanation. I did the whole boot method with my current boots years ago, and it worked wonders, but I just bought new boots (arrived today), so I want to do it right. They are the most stiff boots I've ever tried (140). Wish me luck...
@@onesimura1771 Awesome! I hope they work out great.
How much can you realistically stretch a liner? I have a very low volume, yet long, foot, that mostly works best in 27.5 boots. But liners are always too small.