Are Tesla drivers giving non-Tesla drivers grief and pointing to the "Tesla Vehicle Charging Only" signs evident in the video? I would guess that some of them view non-Tesla users of the Tesla superchargers only slightly less negatively than they view people ICE'ing the parking spot since, for the Tesla driver, the result is the almost the same. I say almost since other EV drivers paying money to Tesla helps keep Tesla in business.
State of Charge is reporting that you might actually be able to charge your 19-20 bolt without the upgrade. Apparently GM was giving mixed messages. He recommended testing it before taking it in for an upgrade. As always, love your show and respect your opinions.. keep up the excellent work.
Great video! I was charging my wife's Bolt EV to test the Superchargers in a place where there are 28 Superchargers. Only 4 Tesla's were there charging so I found a spot on the edge since I knew I would be taking up 2 spots. The charging went great, but unfortunately a Tesla owner that was charging 10 spots down gave my family the finger. Sad there are people like that.
Uhhh, as a Tesla owner in Europe I'm sorry you had that first experience. Not polite of them at all. We have many Tesla Supercharger sites open to all EVs here in Europe and I've never seen any such behavior. Those of us who used to own non-Tesla EVs also appreciate what a hugely important step this is for sustainable energy/transport for all, including older/slower charging cars. The correct behavior for Tesla owners should be to smile, wave or even come over and have a chat, ask if it's your first time, welcome you to the network and see if you need any help with the charger/app! We must do better. Thank you for charging at a Tesla SuC and may you have many more successful charges and happier encounters!
Happy that this gives more people access to more charging options. I also appreciate your info on charging etiquette and just being nice! Can't we all just get along?!
Keep in mind that, so far, not all of the V3's are enabled for NACS adapter non-Tesla charging. The Tesla app accurately shows you what you can use for your particular non-Tesla. A good example is I-80 from Cheyenne WY to Salt Lake City. I re-examined the Denver to Portland trip my daughter and I took in May in her Bolt. None of the V3's in Cheyenne, Laramie, Rawlins, Rock Springs or Evanston are enabled yet, so we would still be using EA. Maybe in the near future all Superchargers will be enabled. The skeleton Supercharger staff has probably had its plate full recently.
Slight correction to your statement, there are 3 different version of Superchargers, V1, V2, and V3. The V1 was their OG superchargers that were installed early on when Tesla first started to mass produce the Model S, which caps out at around 120 kW. The V2's came out a little later, and are marked as "150 kW" speeds. V3's are marked as "250 kW" charging speeds, and those are the ones you want to look for. All of the Supercharger sites you mentioned are actually either V1 or V2, so they will never be available to non-Teslas. Not necessarily to keep them exclusive to Tesla, but because V1/V2 used a different communication protocol than CCS1 does (V3 uses the same ones which is why they work), and retrofitting them to work with non-Teslas was likely determined to be not cost effective considering they're legacy sites that are no longer being built out, and you'd have to essentially tear out all the wiring and connections to get it to work. Cheaper just to build new V3/V4 sites instead. There are also some Supercharger sites that have a mix of V1/V2 and V3, such as Limon, CO and Winnemucca, WY. Those are not listed as available to NACS on Tesla's website/app, likely to avoid confusion where a non-Tesla tries to use the V2 stall and finds out they can't charge. Don't worry too much though. V1 and V2 are terrible, since they charge slower, but have shared stalls, so if you're on 1A, and someone pulls in and starts charging on 1B, it splits the power between those two cars, halving the charging speeds. V3 technically still does that, but the cabinets are rated for 1 MW, and splits the power between 4 stalls hence the "everyone can get 250 kW speeds" at a V3 that Tesla owners talk about. This is also why you will usually see V3 stalls in multiples of 4, such as a site having 8 stalls or 24 stalls. There are some exceptions, like in Twinsburg, OH where the V3 is only 7 stalls. But in that specific situation, that's the amount of parking spaces that were available for that location.
@@Geckogold Just one tiny correction: V3s also use CAN with Teslas, but they have the hardware to also speak Powerline for CCS communication. V1 and V2 are missing that extra hardware, just like the old Tesla cars that either cannot or need an upgrade to use the CCS adapter to charge at CCS stations. Little side story: A couple years back, Tesla turned on the CCS functionality (presumably for testing it)...and all non-Tesla CCS cars suddenly could change there for free. At least where the plug physically fit, i.e. in Europe.
@Geckogold well , I do worry, Bolt has a max speed of 50, and many others between 100 and 150, for those of us.... V1 and V2 would Bea life saver in a charging dessert. Where I. Work there is ONE DC charger at 50kwh in the whole town, next town an hour away, 8 Tesla at 150 kwh I thought I could use, 3x times the speed... but I can't use it. So for a lot of people it does matter
It's great that EV fast charging is slowly becoming easier and more universal. I truly hope that all future new home construction will feature at least the readily-enabled ability to charge at home, too. And finding ways to economically retrofit existing homes and multi-unit housing is sorely needed, too.
When I had my house built 8 years ago I added a charging plug to the garage for $100. No reason for it not to be standard. Just like they have a water port for my fridge even tho I dont have an icemaker.
I charged my ID.4 at a Supercharger with the MagicDock (it was my only option) and I did park at the very last stall on the right for the very reason you mentioned.
Charging infrastructure in Europe (especially northern Europe) is maturing fast. You have 150+ kW CSS chargers all around. Most of the Tesla Superchargers are open and has CSS outlet and it just works.
I ordered my adapter from GM for my Bolt EUV. Don't have it yet, but rumor is they are sending either Lectron or Tesla adapters depending on availability
Good information! Getting a 2021 Bolt Premier from Green Wave EV in North Hampton, NH this weekend. Buying the Lectron adapter from them so I can utilize the Tesla Superchargers for a holiday trip. We have Tesla Superchargers locally (Wells Maine) that I am going to try it on to familiarize myself with it.
Great etiquette points, Nikki. Especially on Bolt owners not simply plugging in and leaving the car charging there for an hour or two. If a Tesla needs a quick 15 minutes charge, discuss it with its owner so that they can plug in briefly and be on their way, and then you can plug back in.
Should touch on the use of the pull in spaces also. Too many of all brands park in those spots when not towing or carrying racks etc. that prevent backing in.
Thank you for another very useful video. As we've just received our free Ford/Tesla adapter, it's good to learn about how they're used (including etiquette!) before trying to do so. Hey, you're the same channel that helped convince me to buy a Lightning to replace a rusty old pickup...can influencers actually benefit people and society? Is that a thing??
Luckily, extensions are coming so that on busy stations non-Tesla owners would only take one spot no matter where you park. Some are on the final testing phases now. For now, non-Teslas should park next to each other to their right so that another non-Tesla can take the spot that a Tesla can't, so only one or two spots are lost in all for the whole site.
@@transportevolved It also said not to use 3rd party adapters. How has that worked out? 3rd party extensions from those same adapter manufacturers are all ready in the final testing phases.
Extension cords are kind of dangerous because the supercharger doesn't know their temperature, so it can't stop them from overheating, melting, shorting. Extensions should be fine for slow-charging vehicles though, very little chance of overheating at lower currents.
@@w0ttheh3ll The extension cords have their own overheating sensors built in to protect it, the Supercharger cable and charger, not to mention the EV itself. That's what all the testing being done right now is all about.
Agree 100% with your take on Tesla and its CEO. Thank you for being the rare RUclipsr who dares to touch on the subject. Would personally no longer buy their products, but would on a rare occasion use the charger network only as a last resort, in real desperation.
I believe you are right about the Spark EV not having access. I should see whether Spark EV owners can access Magic Dock locations. If they can, then there really shouldn't be a delay in accessing the Superchargers.
If the Bolt's charging power level is still down in LEAF territory, I'd imagine there'd be less reason to worry about the non-officially-blessed adapters, because the only objection there could be would have to do with overheating concerns. At the much lower current level, even a slightly less conductive adapter should stay cool..
In the UK Tesla Superchargers (with the app and an £8 monthly subscription) are half the price Ionity or similar. I love that they are allowing non-Tesla EVs to use their European network. My upcoming visit to Zurich (from Somerset) will be charged only on Tesla SCs - saving a few squid. And my Polestar 2 has its charge port on the rear left - just like a Tesla - so no complicated parking issues.
It's fun to see all these GM vehicles being charged on a supercharger. I've seen this bolt, a couple of Equinox EVs and a Prologue (Honda but GM drive train/battery).
Glad to see GM owners finally getting access to superchargers. Also glad Nikki commented on charger etiquette and consideration for other supercharger users. However, I would not expect owners to return to their car in 30 minutes. IMO it is perfectly acceptable to take a 1 hour lunch or dinner break while your car charges. This is the best way to plan long EV road trips, as you are going to be sitting in your car all day and should get out of the car when charging to have a better road trip experience.
Honestly, we encourage ALL EV owners to stay near/by their car. Charging can be unreliable (for all brands) and we've experienced failures in all types of car and at all charging stations :) - Nikki.
@@transportevolved Interesting. IIRC, I have never experienced a charging interruption when fast charging on road trips. I have 8 years of experience so far, and road trip pretty frequently. I do watch my charge status on my phone while I eat at a restaurant, and I get notifications when charging is almost complete, and when completed. I move my car right away when done, even if I haven't finished eating yet. I don't see the need to be physically at the car, eating takeout. Again, if I am going to be sitting in the car driving for 10 hours, I sure want to get out when it is stopped to charge. I do see people sitting in their cars at superchargers, and I always think they need to get out, go for a walk, eat, shop, or do something. Anything!
A couple questions/thoughts: 1. When will GM start manufacturing their EVs with the NACS connector. 2. Open random thought: Will the aftermarket offer conversion kits to change out the CCS vehicles to the NACS - Will no adapter would be needed.
A 3rd-party conversion kit would be quite problematic. If you only ever want to either AC charge or DC charge, it's easy. But to be able to switch between the two, the electronics that communicate with the charger need to switch the high-voltage lines from connecting to the battery to connecting to the onboard charger. That's not something a simple adapter can do, so you'd need to replace the charging electronics of the car and add a couple of high-voltage switchover relays. This also is the reason it takes ages for the manufacturers to switch over to built-in NACS ports.
@@HenryLoenwind It was just an open/random/passing thought. I know mechanical engineering, but next to nothing about electrical. Except: Plug + Socket = Power. 🙂 LOL
The real shame with the Spark EV is GM ghosting the owners of vehicles less than 10 years old. It would have been better if they had just said in the fine print "The technology generation of the Spark EV makes it incompatible with this Tesla charger integration."
Awesome! It makes so much sense to have these chargers be used by more vehicles. Tesla chargers will always be a last resort for me, at least as long as Tesla keeps Musk on board. Who wants to support that?? Great video!!! Thank you for all you do, these shows are awesome 😎 👍
Thanks for the info - I was rockin' the whole idea until you got to 9:55, where you explain that I'll need to block two spaces to charge my Bolt, because the Tesla cord is too short. I tried your idea (at the same bank of chargers in the Target parking lot) of parking at the rightmost space, but that space was for a J1772 charger, and - importantly - had a bumper that prevented me parking close enough to use the very short Tesla cord. So it's hog two adjacent spaces to charge a Bolt. Seems like a good way to get nasty notes from Tesla owners, so I'm storing the adapter, to be used only in emergencies and when I'm by the car all the time I'm charging. Thanks again for the tip-loaded video - the video was just what I was looking for.
As another commenter mentioned Nikki, you can rock up with your 2019-20 Bolt EV, as Tom M. said on his video no software update is needed only SOME of the cars need an update and you are best to test it and find out if it doesn't work then you'll need an update. Gives more options for people which is good, remembering the Tesla network for the US is more reliable than the EA network so I'd rather go somewhere with reliability even if you pay abit more but can always get a membership to get a lower fee. I'd rather put the adapter in then the charge cable and same in reverse to make it easier as Tom has brought up on his videos.
Is it not possible to start charging from the Tesla App?.. I see in my Tesla app the option 'Charge your non Tesla' , but I am from Europe and all cars have the same CCS2 connector, including Tesla, so no adapters required. Ford, Rivian provide the adapter for free, kinda stupid GM dares to ask $250 for a chunk of plastic with some metal contacts...
While I probably won't use it too often as Supercharging is expensive in most of California, this would have been such a life-saver on a trip I did a few months ago. The town I was in for a few days had EVERY SINGLE CCS charger broken, so I had to go to the next town over. With my Bolt EV, I got back to my hotel with 85% left after a full charge. The town has 20 Superchargers in the shopping center across the street from the hotel. Side note, I had GM rewards points (which may other GM owners might have) that made the CCS adapter purchase much, much cheaper. Got mine for $80 after redeeming points.
You must have to have an onstar subscription to see the map icon or see public charging on the my Chevy app? I don’t have onstar and do not see public charging in the app. I do have the latest app update on my iPhone.
@@transportevolved I haven't tried it yet, but I think you can start the charging from the Tesla app. I don't have the adaptor yet for my 2018 Bolt but going through the Tesla app, it looks like you can start a charging session just like you would at a Magic Dock. I also don't have the OnStar connectivity subscription for $40/month, just the wifi for $20/month. I now use my VW ID.4 (with free EA charging) for long trips anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point.
Nikki, can you also cover the new CCS-to-CHAdeMO converters that came out earlier this year? There are still many of us who have CHAdeMO vehicles who are worried that this will fade away in the near future. I'm driving a 2018 Kia Soul EV that uses CHAdeMO. I do 99% of my charging at home, but this could still be a life saver in a pinch.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Yep, I've seen that one. I think there's another company that makes one too. They were originally $1000 each and that's only if you buy two of them. Hopefully the price will continue to fall. Amazon has tons of Tesla NACS to CHAdeMO adapters that can handle the normal level 2 destination chargers but not the Superchargers. They're between about $50 and $150.
Another point to consider is that NACS will eventually be the standard. Get your adapters now! I have read somewhere that a DCFC station is using NACS but isn't a Tesla station. Basically, you may not use Tesla but will still need an adapter at some point.
I am getting an adapter so I have the Tesla network available if I need it. I travel to the White Mountains in NH often, and there are not many non Tesla DC fast chargers around.
Only works in certain superchargers. Older ones at 150kwh are not being opned to anyone, it is important to note, pretty much none available in WY or CO for instance
The current sign can be read as "This is Tesla. This spot is for vehicle charging only.", so no change is needed. People may read it as, "This spot is for charging Tesla vehicles only", but I wouldn't support that interpretation as "TESLA" is more commonly used for the company and "Tesla" for the car.
Where can I find more info about which 2019 and 2020 bolt need software updates to use the Tesla NACS chargers. My dealer seems to know nothing about this!
Something to be aware of is this adapter only works with V3 and above Superchargers, so those are the only ones that will show up on that map of available Tesla chargers for the Chevy EV's. Also if there is a Tesla Supercharger station that has both V2 & V3 I think its treated like a V2 station and that will not appear on the map either. For example in my area there are 10 or 12 Supercharger stations that show up on my Tesla map BUT when I look at the map in my Equinox EV it only shows 3 Supercharger stations because those 3 are exclusively V3.
Getting more charging options will make me feel a lot more secure. Thank hunk of plastic and copper shouldn't cost $250, but I guess I can't make it myself.
I too have a '17 Bolt. Thank you so much for your video, it cleared things up that the other guys left a little muddy. I don't think you mentioned that I need to have OnStar enabled in order for the app to function properly and in order to charge on Tesla chargers. I'm so happy to give GM $14 a month so that I can charge on Tesla chargers. Do ICE vehicle owners pay 14 bucks a month to fuel up at a Shell station? I don't think so. I'm guessing they're trying to recoup a little cash from what they've been paying Tesla for emissions credits. GM is absolutely the worst. I can't wait for my Aptera.
OK...what time of what day are you at that supercharger site where it's almost empty?!? I'm a local and every time I'm over there it's always packed full!
In my area Superchargers charge 36 cents per kWh while EA charges 48 cents per kWh making Superchargers 25% cheaper than EA. If you are going to claim that EA is cheaper you should state the rate you are paying because it might be because you are buying down the rate with a membership.
@@transportevolved Charge Point is a bad example because they don't set the charging rate. They sell equipment and operate background network that shows availability and charges fees that the owner sets.
Hi Nikki. I have a '20 Bolt. I have the My Chevrolet app. I could not find any mode that showed begin charging on any station, much less Tesla. It did list stations for CCS and J1772 within a 10 mile area. However there is no screen that prompts "begin charging". I did sign up for EVGO direct plug & pay last year, but I never have had an occasion to charge away from home. Is it possible that the update is a newer app. My Chevrolet app screens appear totally different than yours. BTW I have a iPhone 15pro.
I have read that an OnStar subscription is required for the 'Public Charging' option to show in the MyChevrolet app. I plan to use the Tesla app instead.
😅 Wonder how many anecdotes we'll eventually encounter of drivers absent mindedly unplugging and leaving the connector behind, either forgetting it entirely or going a short distance down the road before remembering and making a frantic dash back to the Supercharger praying like mad that their connector is still there - at least in the early days.
Only those who are too lazy or ignorant to plug the charge cable back into the holster on the dispenser, where it belongs when not charging a vehicle. Those people deserve to lose their adapter.
@@pinkelephants1421 I would hope that the adapter is either still sticking in their charge port, or it won't fit in the holster if they pull both of them out at the same time, would lead them to remember to unplug the adapter before leaving.
@@Geckogold Hopefully so. But speaking from personal experience on the absent mindedness front, it's so easy to do truly dumb things. It's far from uncommon for me to make a point of getting ready to leave early and end up being late because I can't find my sunglasses, spend ages running around the house like a headless chicken looking for them, and wondering why I have a headache and sore eyes - because I'm (wearing) the damn things!!! 😂😂😂🤪🤪🤪
In the early days of Electrify America (2018-2020), the Chevy Spark EV could not charge on most of their CSS hardware. The Spark EV required a firmware upgrade to support latest CCS protocol, which EA was being very strict with. Since 2020 Electrify America has done mass upgrades by swapping out hardware (different brands), so am not sure the status of Chevy Spark EVs charging at EA locations. BTW: only ~1/2 of Spark EVs actually were equipped with DC charging. Early model years did not have. They also only had a max of 3.3 kW AC charging for the ~21 kWh pack. Owners do love them, very sporty to drive.
I just got rid of my Spark EV, and EA had fixed all the charging issues, but it took 7(!) months of not being able to charge, then a year or two later a botched update left them all to charge the Spark EV at under 20kW, but that was rectified after another 7 months of waiting. The Spark EV has always been finicky with CCS charging so I'm not surprised they left it out of the update. It's software/processing capability just isn't modern.
@@TylerPinkneyyep its the earliest ccs1 designed car. Even though it speaks the same “language” as other CCS cars, its in a different dialect with a accent.
Am pretty sure the CCS protocol handshake was modified so early implementations in Spark EV and BMW i3 became finicky special cases when CCS was more widely adopted.
@@jamespaul2587the term level 3 is technically no longer a thing. It was originally unofficially used briefly in both AC and DC charging. Level 2 DC was also a thing.
@@toyotaprius79 A plan economy with politically mandated prices is also a nuisance. Pick a poison. 😄 Tesla Supercharger prices are usually reasonable, but not necessarily the lowest in the area. With a car that doesn't charge faster than about 50 kW anyway, you have many options.
I might be the only one that thought this, but when I saw the video title, I thought, super charger in an electrical vehicle, I wonder what that is. Maybe they're adding super caps? Maybe new motors? Maybe some way to get more power out of existing motors? Alas no, but still an interesting video. ETA: Nice touch with wearing lipstick that matched the Tesla red.
Nikki, you didn’t mention 2023 Bolt. Also, I wasn’t clear on what app you were using. Was that the Chevrolet app (and does it require a subscription)? Could you instead use the Tesla app?
@@transportevolved Thank you, Nikki. I didn't think I would see a reply from YOU, the star of the show. I love your show. So much good information, thoughtfully presented. Or maybe it's just your accent that I like.
I see an opportunity for an entrepreneur. An extension cord! 💡! With heavy cable and quality connectors you could make a two meter cable that would allow Bolts to part like Tesla’s. And since they charge slower the current draw is lower, not being overly hindered by the added resistance.
Tesla has reiterated multiple times that it will ban people who use extensions. They're very unsafe for fast charging. Tesla's cables use liquid cooling - extension cables would not.
funny how GM's excuse for dropping carplay/android auto from new EV's was to not tie customers to having to have a cell phone for their car... then they open supercharger network and you have to start the charging session _with your cellphone_!!! lol
@@transportevolved I was about to ask that exact question so I was looking through the comments first. Are you sure it won’t work? Would you mind trying it at a Tesla destination charger or do the instructions tell you not to?
The fast charging adapter has the DC power pins connected, but the AC pins in the J1772 part are not. So if you try adapting an AC charger with this unit, you’ll be feeding AC into the DC port, not a good idea.
10:39 This is a bit of a misunderstanding about how the Superchargers work. Because the V3 Superchargers only have 90 kW of total power per stall, a Bolt EV charging at 50 kW or even less has no impact on the charging speeds of the other EVs, and it would have no impact on how long the line is to access an open stall when the site is completely full. At that point, the "charge as long as you need but not longer" rule of etiquette applies. The bigger issue for Bolt EV drivers is that they shouldn't be wasting their own time so there's almost never a reason to occupy a stall for longer than 35 to 40 minutes.
Disagree. While you’re technically correct, being mindful you’re not occupying two spaces and taking up two supercharger stalls during busy periods is important
I have charged at the exact V3 SuperChargers Niki was demonstrating in this video, I have charged my 2024 Model Y LR at over 150kW with all stalls occupied. Not sure where you are getting the 90kW figure from.
@@jakthebomb It's based on the fact that there is only one 360 kW V3 Supercharger cabinet for every four stalls. If you were still getting 150 kW when the entire site was full, that means several stalls had to be pulling significantly less than 90 kW.
@@tkmedia3866 Depends on the site. If it's a 12-stall V3 site, that's 1 MW total, so anything past the fourth Tesla, and none of them would be charging at peak power. Of course, there could be nuance depending on how Tesla prioritizes distribution, but when we're talking about the tenth, eleventh, or twelfth stall being occupied by a Bolt EV, that extra available power actually benefits everyone else who is there. Yes, there's a concern if someone is occupying two stalls, but hopefully, Tesla owners start leaving the right-most stalls for last.
Now that Elon Musk has revealed his true colors, I can no longer support or associate with anything Tesla. I was once a wordhiper and avid follow of Musk, his vision, goals and dreams but now realize that he's just a batshit crazy megalomaniac. As an owner of a 2022 Bolt EUV with experience in and with Tesla products, I realize that Teslas are overrated, overpriced cars and charging system thai I can easily llve without. I'll give credit for Musk starting the modern EV movement but until he stops behaving like a witless child, I'll purposely avoid supporting any of his ventures.
I think it's going to be a bit of a mess with non Teslas using two chargers at one time. The Tesla charging capacity is going to shrink by maybe a third or more and it's going to create allot of frustration and anger because a cable is a few feet short . It appears Tesla has no desire replacing them with longer cables . They are talking about extension cables that can be purchased that will be over $500 by non Tesla EVs . I don't see many doing this as it is acceptable to take up 2 spots . I am not sure if Tesla is using longer cables on new charger locations . I don't think Tesla is not motivated to do much more than what is already installed . So the hope is somebody else picks up the ball and run with it and I think that will occur . It appears there is improvement in charging outside Tesla . I think you could see charging being part of most business locations which is good for people that will spend while their vehicle charges
V4 Superchargers are being built with longer cables to accommodate cars with different port locations. We just had one open up by UCF recently in fact.
And at that price it's STILL NOT AVAILABLE as a "safe used EV". What do I mean by "safe"? Well, if I were buying an ICE vehicle I can discern the health of the engine (and to a lesser extent the transmission) and the exhaust system etc. With a Bolt? Don't know how. Don't know a mechanic who knows how, either? I COULD just trust the dealership to have done THEIR "due diligence". BWAHAHAHAHAHAH *TRUST* a DEALERSHIP? Yeah, NOOOOOOOO! Trust GM? LOL, the people who taught the dealerships to be dishonest? Yeah, .... NO!
@@patreekotime4578 By "safe" I meant (and should have clarified) ECONOMICALLY SAFE. You're not "gambling" your full purchase price on the battery. And yes, if you are VERY EV literate (or experienced) you *might* know how to check your Leaf or Bolt or Tesla to see if it has warning signs of battery "abuse" or failure. I certainly DON'T, and I DON'T KNOW anyone who does. And that will keep me from buying one, all by itself. YES, I know that a lot of it is FUD. But how much? And do I personally want to be the FUD-BUSTER? Nope. My finances no longer extend to those kinds of choices. Or risks.
Etiquette should extend the comment section and not just public charging. But that’s a legitimate question. How do you know a used EV has a healthy battery, ideally before purchasing? That sounds like a topic for a video.!
Yes, if you charge your non Tesla EV to a Tesla Supercharger you will eventually get some Elon-electrons into your car, and slowly but surely you will get to believe in all the stupid things Elon does, because you know.... science. I get it. For all I care, don't ever charge your non Tesla EV to any of the Tesla Superchargers. More chargers for me (well, any of those 4 or 5 times a year I need to, anyway).
I wonder if Musks relationship with his daughter was mended, then what would happen to Musks position in the Overton window. No matter the politics of this, I do hope that relationship gets mended. We all need to love each other more, not less.
@@transportevolved They are responding to what you said: "Other individuals may encounter difficulties contributing funds to Tesla, and thereby Elon Musk. I personally will refrain from using this option, unless it's an emergency."
@@PhillipStewartYYZ Some people aren't okay supporting Tesla financially - they can still acknowledge the company's position, but opt for alternative solutions. That's allowed
Nice report. Thank you. What if you had a car you could just plug in, fast charge cheaply, no app, 100% reliable? There is only one man who can give this to you…. He is often wrong about political things, can be a jerk, and is not a perfect human being. My hope is that you will someday let go of your anger and embrace the joy of owning a Tesla. 😊
I am not angry at Elon’s politics, I just wish he could make a car with a nice interior. I am excited that I can plug my Cadi into Tesla’s network though. I will give Elon credit for having the foresight to understand that the charger network needed to be built along with if not before most people would buy ev cars.
@@transportevolved Elon has an anti-union stance, but on deeper analysis his employees are happy and repeatedly choose not to union. Remember, unions are for the BENEFIT of employees, so if employees are happy, should you shun the one who inspires them to choose non-union?
As a former fan of Elon, the last straw was seeing on the fanboy channel on ”elons tweets of the week” he was complaining about Disney’s leaked document showing “institutional racism”. I paused and zoomed in. Apparently they strive to hire employees from all over the world. Oh the humanity!
I'm going to be ordering one today. Might get the upgrade so I can "supercharge" on CCS on my 2018 Model 3 too. I want all EVs to be able to supercharge on all DCFC. I know CHAEDEMO isn't going to happen in any practical way, but those are hardly being sold anymore. Also, vote for Kamala. Last thing we need is Elon mucking with our government.
Good charging etiquette would be to not use a chevy bolt at a quick charger and waste space charging at abysmal speeds. The bolt is the slowest quick charging vehicle i have ever had and people need to stop attempting quick charging.
@@transportevolved I had the pleasure of having a Chevy bolt. You cannot state that it is spoiling the experience when it ruins charging for EVERYONE. ever had to go to a shared charging stall only to find a bolt not charging full rate but leaving the other charge point in an almost useless 30kw rate? Happens ALL the time. Most common culprit? The Chevy bolt. What other car charges as slow as a Chevy bolt on a quick charger? A 10-80% charge shouldn't take 2hrs+ to do. 54kw rate only goes until about 30-35% before it plummets on the new charging curve gm loaded on every vehicle they could get ahold of. Passing that vehicle off as a quick charging ev is an insult to every other ev.
GM dropped the ball with this Tesla Supercharger access.....I don't think they have a clue what they are doing. I have not tried to charge my Bolt EV yet on a Tesla Supercharger since the closest one to me is 14 miles one way. I might get around to it one day. I have around 51000 miles on my 2017 Premier. I love many things about my Bolt EV but I am not sure I would consider another GM product in the future because when it comes to EV's I think GM is clueless.
Im glad you touched on charger etiquette! Its very important.
Agree, be kind so we can all charge
Are Tesla drivers giving non-Tesla drivers grief and pointing to the "Tesla Vehicle Charging Only" signs evident in the video? I would guess that some of them view non-Tesla users of the Tesla superchargers only slightly less negatively than they view people ICE'ing the parking spot since, for the Tesla driver, the result is the almost the same. I say almost since other EV drivers paying money to Tesla helps keep Tesla in business.
State of Charge is reporting that you might actually be able to charge your 19-20 bolt without the upgrade. Apparently GM was giving mixed messages. He recommended testing it before taking it in for an upgrade. As always, love your show and respect your opinions.. keep up the excellent work.
I watched Tom's update. So many, if not most, of the 19&20 models will be able to change.
Clearly 19-20 MY Bolts have had an earlier software update which you must have in order for access. You don't need a new update, just the latest.
I am currently charging my 2020 Bolt at a Supercharger with no software update. No problems. Almost hit 55KW.
Great video! I was charging my wife's Bolt EV to test the Superchargers in a place where there are 28 Superchargers. Only 4 Tesla's were there charging so I found a spot on the edge since I knew I would be taking up 2 spots. The charging went great, but unfortunately a Tesla owner that was charging 10 spots down gave my family the finger. Sad there are people like that.
Uhhh, as a Tesla owner in Europe I'm sorry you had that first experience. Not polite of them at all.
We have many Tesla Supercharger sites open to all EVs here in Europe and I've never seen any such behavior. Those of us who used to own non-Tesla EVs also appreciate what a hugely important step this is for sustainable energy/transport for all, including older/slower charging cars.
The correct behavior for Tesla owners should be to smile, wave or even come over and have a chat, ask if it's your first time, welcome you to the network and see if you need any help with the charger/app! We must do better.
Thank you for charging at a Tesla SuC and may you have many more successful charges and happier encounters!
Yea most people wouldn't act like that person. Hopefully eventually they will realize we are all in this together trying to support EVs 🤣
That’s actually so cringe😂Elon out here creating new forms of discrimination
Great advice on where to park to charge.
Happy that this gives more people access to more charging options. I also appreciate your info on charging etiquette and just being nice! Can't we all just get along?!
Keep in mind that, so far, not all of the V3's are enabled for NACS adapter non-Tesla charging. The Tesla app accurately shows you what you can use for your particular non-Tesla. A good example is I-80 from Cheyenne WY to Salt Lake City. I re-examined the Denver to Portland trip my daughter and I took in May in her Bolt. None of the V3's in Cheyenne, Laramie, Rawlins, Rock Springs or Evanston are enabled yet, so we would still be using EA. Maybe in the near future all Superchargers will be enabled. The skeleton Supercharger staff has probably had its plate full recently.
Slight correction to your statement, there are 3 different version of Superchargers, V1, V2, and V3. The V1 was their OG superchargers that were installed early on when Tesla first started to mass produce the Model S, which caps out at around 120 kW. The V2's came out a little later, and are marked as "150 kW" speeds. V3's are marked as "250 kW" charging speeds, and those are the ones you want to look for.
All of the Supercharger sites you mentioned are actually either V1 or V2, so they will never be available to non-Teslas. Not necessarily to keep them exclusive to Tesla, but because V1/V2 used a different communication protocol than CCS1 does (V3 uses the same ones which is why they work), and retrofitting them to work with non-Teslas was likely determined to be not cost effective considering they're legacy sites that are no longer being built out, and you'd have to essentially tear out all the wiring and connections to get it to work. Cheaper just to build new V3/V4 sites instead.
There are also some Supercharger sites that have a mix of V1/V2 and V3, such as Limon, CO and Winnemucca, WY. Those are not listed as available to NACS on Tesla's website/app, likely to avoid confusion where a non-Tesla tries to use the V2 stall and finds out they can't charge.
Don't worry too much though. V1 and V2 are terrible, since they charge slower, but have shared stalls, so if you're on 1A, and someone pulls in and starts charging on 1B, it splits the power between those two cars, halving the charging speeds. V3 technically still does that, but the cabinets are rated for 1 MW, and splits the power between 4 stalls hence the "everyone can get 250 kW speeds" at a V3 that Tesla owners talk about.
This is also why you will usually see V3 stalls in multiples of 4, such as a site having 8 stalls or 24 stalls. There are some exceptions, like in Twinsburg, OH where the V3 is only 7 stalls. But in that specific situation, that's the amount of parking spaces that were available for that location.
@@Geckogold Just one tiny correction: V3s also use CAN with Teslas, but they have the hardware to also speak Powerline for CCS communication. V1 and V2 are missing that extra hardware, just like the old Tesla cars that either cannot or need an upgrade to use the CCS adapter to charge at CCS stations.
Little side story: A couple years back, Tesla turned on the CCS functionality (presumably for testing it)...and all non-Tesla CCS cars suddenly could change there for free. At least where the plug physically fit, i.e. in Europe.
@@Geckogold I see, thanks! That's very helpful.
@Geckogold well , I do worry, Bolt has a max speed of 50, and many others between 100 and 150, for those of us.... V1 and V2 would Bea life saver in a charging dessert. Where I. Work there is ONE DC charger at 50kwh in the whole town, next town an hour away, 8 Tesla at 150 kwh I thought I could use, 3x times the speed... but I can't use it. So for a lot of people it does matter
It's great that EV fast charging is slowly becoming easier and more universal. I truly hope that all future new home construction will feature at least the readily-enabled ability to charge at home, too.
And finding ways to economically retrofit existing homes and multi-unit housing is sorely needed, too.
When I had my house built 8 years ago I added a charging plug to the garage for $100. No reason for it not to be standard. Just like they have a water port for my fridge even tho I dont have an icemaker.
Greatest thing to ever happen to GM! Now the Bolt can actually easily travel anywhere across the country and not wait in any lines.
Thank you for your "just be nice" request near the end.
I charged my ID.4 at a Supercharger with the MagicDock (it was my only option) and I did park at the very last stall on the right for the very reason you mentioned.
Charging infrastructure in Europe (especially northern Europe) is maturing fast. You have 150+ kW CSS chargers all around. Most of the Tesla Superchargers are open and has CSS outlet and it just works.
Really, really helpful tips for Bolt owners!
I ordered my adapter from GM for my Bolt EUV. Don't have it yet, but rumor is they are sending either Lectron or Tesla adapters depending on availability
yes that is true
I bought a Lectron adapter for my 2020 Bolt
Good information! Getting a 2021 Bolt Premier from Green Wave EV in North Hampton, NH this weekend. Buying the Lectron adapter from them so I can utilize the Tesla Superchargers for a holiday trip. We have Tesla Superchargers locally (Wells Maine) that I am going to try it on to familiarize myself with it.
Great etiquette points, Nikki. Especially on Bolt owners not simply plugging in and leaving the car charging there for an hour or two. If a Tesla needs a quick 15 minutes charge, discuss it with its owner so that they can plug in briefly and be on their way, and then you can plug back in.
Should touch on the use of the pull in spaces also. Too many of all brands park in those spots when not towing or carrying racks etc. that prevent backing in.
Thank you for another very useful video. As we've just received our free Ford/Tesla adapter, it's good to learn about how they're used (including etiquette!) before trying to do so.
Hey, you're the same channel that helped convince me to buy a Lightning to replace a rusty old pickup...can influencers actually benefit people and society? Is that a thing??
Thank you for this detailed update. Success to all EV makers in serving the changing EV market. Go NACS standard!
Using the tesla app to charge was super easy on my twenty twenty two bolt.
Luckily, extensions are coming so that on busy stations non-Tesla owners would only take one spot no matter where you park. Some are on the final testing phases now.
For now, non-Teslas should park next to each other to their right so that another non-Tesla can take the spot that a Tesla can't, so only one or two spots are lost in all for the whole site.
Tesla has come out and basically said no to extensions - Nikki
@@transportevolved It also said not to use 3rd party adapters. How has that worked out? 3rd party extensions from those same adapter manufacturers are all ready in the final testing phases.
Extension cords are kind of dangerous because the supercharger doesn't know their temperature, so it can't stop them from overheating, melting, shorting.
Extensions should be fine for slow-charging vehicles though, very little chance of overheating at lower currents.
@@w0ttheh3ll The extension cords have their own overheating sensors built in to protect it, the Supercharger cable and charger, not to mention the EV itself. That's what all the testing being done right now is all about.
Agree 100% with your take on Tesla and its CEO. Thank you for being the rare RUclipsr who dares to touch on the subject. Would personally no longer buy their products, but would on a rare occasion use the charger network only as a last resort, in real desperation.
Thanks for sharing. Great information.
I believe you are right about the Spark EV not having access. I should see whether Spark EV owners can access Magic Dock locations. If they can, then there really shouldn't be a delay in accessing the Superchargers.
If the Bolt's charging power level is still down in LEAF territory, I'd imagine there'd be less reason to worry about the non-officially-blessed adapters, because the only objection there could be would have to do with overheating concerns. At the much lower current level, even a slightly less conductive adapter should stay cool..
In the UK Tesla Superchargers (with the app and an £8 monthly subscription) are half the price Ionity or similar. I love that they are allowing non-Tesla EVs to use their European network. My upcoming visit to Zurich (from Somerset) will be charged only on Tesla SCs - saving a few squid. And my Polestar 2 has its charge port on the rear left - just like a Tesla - so no complicated parking issues.
It's fun to see all these GM vehicles being charged on a supercharger. I've seen this bolt, a couple of Equinox EVs and a Prologue (Honda but GM drive train/battery).
The introductions are getting as long as Pink Floyd's 😁
"Over the air updates" -- Hahahaha.. Riiiiight. This is a Bolt afterall 😆 I don't think I ever got a single OTA update.
There was one update to the infotainment in 2017. It was to disable the gallery app function as it allowed folks to play movies.
Most informative, thank you for that.
Glad to see GM owners finally getting access to superchargers. Also glad Nikki commented on charger etiquette and consideration for other supercharger users. However, I would not expect owners to return to their car in 30 minutes. IMO it is perfectly acceptable to take a 1 hour lunch or dinner break while your car charges. This is the best way to plan long EV road trips, as you are going to be sitting in your car all day and should get out of the car when charging to have a better road trip experience.
Honestly, we encourage ALL EV owners to stay near/by their car. Charging can be unreliable (for all brands) and we've experienced failures in all types of car and at all charging stations :) - Nikki.
@@transportevolved Interesting. IIRC, I have never experienced a charging interruption when fast charging on road trips. I have 8 years of experience so far, and road trip pretty frequently.
I do watch my charge status on my phone while I eat at a restaurant, and I get notifications when charging is almost complete, and when completed. I move my car right away when done, even if I haven't finished eating yet. I don't see the need to be physically at the car, eating takeout. Again, if I am going to be sitting in the car driving for 10 hours, I sure want to get out when it is stopped to charge.
I do see people sitting in their cars at superchargers, and I always think they need to get out, go for a walk, eat, shop, or do something. Anything!
Thanks, Nikki. I was able to charging my 2017 Chevy Bolt EV without using the MyChevrolet App. The Tesla native app works on its own.
A couple questions/thoughts:
1. When will GM start manufacturing their EVs with the NACS connector.
2. Open random thought: Will the aftermarket offer conversion kits to change out the CCS vehicles to the NACS - Will no adapter would be needed.
They said 2025
A 3rd-party conversion kit would be quite problematic. If you only ever want to either AC charge or DC charge, it's easy. But to be able to switch between the two, the electronics that communicate with the charger need to switch the high-voltage lines from connecting to the battery to connecting to the onboard charger. That's not something a simple adapter can do, so you'd need to replace the charging electronics of the car and add a couple of high-voltage switchover relays.
This also is the reason it takes ages for the manufacturers to switch over to built-in NACS ports.
@@HenryLoenwind It was just an open/random/passing thought. I know mechanical engineering, but next to nothing about electrical. Except: Plug + Socket = Power. 🙂 LOL
The real shame with the Spark EV is GM ghosting the owners of vehicles less than 10 years old. It would have been better if they had just said in the fine print "The technology generation of the Spark EV makes it incompatible with this Tesla charger integration."
Charging some Spark EV via CCS is difficult. It’s incompatible with lots of chargers. Same with some vw egolfs.
Awesome! It makes so much sense to have these chargers be used by more vehicles. Tesla chargers will always be a last resort for me, at least as long as Tesla keeps Musk on board. Who wants to support that?? Great video!!! Thank you for all you do, these shows are awesome 😎 👍
Thanks for the info - I was rockin' the whole idea until you got to 9:55, where you explain that I'll need to block two spaces to charge my Bolt, because the Tesla cord is too short.
I tried your idea (at the same bank of chargers in the Target parking lot) of parking at the rightmost space, but that space was for a J1772 charger, and - importantly - had a bumper that prevented me parking close enough to use the very short Tesla cord. So it's hog two adjacent spaces to charge a Bolt. Seems like a good way to get nasty notes from Tesla owners, so I'm storing the adapter, to be used only in emergencies and when I'm by the car all the time I'm charging.
Thanks again for the tip-loaded video - the video was just what I was looking for.
As another commenter mentioned Nikki, you can rock up with your 2019-20 Bolt EV, as Tom M. said on his video no software update is needed only SOME of the cars need an update and you are best to test it and find out if it doesn't work then you'll need an update. Gives more options for people which is good, remembering the Tesla network for the US is more reliable than the EA network so I'd rather go somewhere with reliability even if you pay abit more but can always get a membership to get a lower fee. I'd rather put the adapter in then the charge cable and same in reverse to make it easier as Tom has brought up on his videos.
Is it not possible to start charging from the Tesla App?.. I see in my Tesla app the option 'Charge your non Tesla' , but I am from Europe and all cars have the same CCS2 connector, including Tesla, so no adapters required.
Ford, Rivian provide the adapter for free, kinda stupid GM dares to ask $250 for a chunk of plastic with some metal contacts...
Yes, but then you have to entrust your details with Tesla - which may try to spam you (based on our past experience) - Nikki
@@transportevolved How Tesla spam you? Just curious. I am currently Not a Tesla owner, but considering.
I only use the tesla app with my 2020 Bolt.
While I probably won't use it too often as Supercharging is expensive in most of California, this would have been such a life-saver on a trip I did a few months ago. The town I was in for a few days had EVERY SINGLE CCS charger broken, so I had to go to the next town over. With my Bolt EV, I got back to my hotel with 85% left after a full charge. The town has 20 Superchargers in the shopping center across the street from the hotel.
Side note, I had GM rewards points (which may other GM owners might have) that made the CCS adapter purchase much, much cheaper. Got mine for $80 after redeeming points.
You must have to have an onstar subscription to see the map icon or see public charging on the my Chevy app? I don’t have onstar and do not see public charging in the app. I do have the latest app update on my iPhone.
Nikki here. Yes, we have an onstar subscription, primarily because it once helped recover a car that had been 'borrowed' ;)
@@transportevolved I haven't tried it yet, but I think you can start the charging from the Tesla app. I don't have the adaptor yet for my 2018 Bolt but going through the Tesla app, it looks like you can start a charging session just like you would at a Magic Dock. I also don't have the OnStar connectivity subscription for $40/month, just the wifi for $20/month. I now use my VW ID.4 (with free EA charging) for long trips anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point.
Happy for you! Hope my EV will be granted authorization soon… but not holding my breath.
Nikki, can you also cover the new CCS-to-CHAdeMO converters that came out earlier this year? There are still many of us who have CHAdeMO vehicles who are worried that this will fade away in the near future. I'm driving a 2018 Kia Soul EV that uses CHAdeMO. I do 99% of my charging at home, but this could still be a life saver in a pinch.
If you have 900 dollars a2z makes a chademo to ccs adapter
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Yep, I've seen that one. I think there's another company that makes one too. They were originally $1000 each and that's only if you buy two of them. Hopefully the price will continue to fall. Amazon has tons of Tesla NACS to CHAdeMO adapters that can handle the normal level 2 destination chargers but not the Superchargers. They're between about $50 and $150.
Thank you…very informative for us new to the Chevy Boly
Those are the Tanasborne SuperChargers, if you want to use a V4 supercharger there are 8 stalls in Wilsonville.
There's no difference for Bolt EV owners.
@@transportevolved the cables are significantly longer.
Wilsonville has the cheapest superchargers around. I wonder if the shopping center subsidizes it.
Another point to consider is that NACS will eventually be the standard. Get your adapters now!
I have read somewhere that a DCFC station is using NACS but isn't a Tesla station. Basically, you may not use Tesla but will still need an adapter at some point.
Both will be around on charger sites for a while. Maybe 5-10 years.
According to Tom on State of Charge some Bolt EV's that are 2019 and 2020 models do work with Tesla Superchargers already.
I am getting an adapter so I have the Tesla network available if I need it. I travel to the White Mountains in NH often, and there are not many non Tesla DC fast chargers around.
Thanks
What is the autopilot?
Open Pilot.
Only works in certain superchargers. Older ones at 150kwh are not being opned to anyone, it is important to note, pretty much none available in WY or CO for instance
Now that's a thumbnail I can get behind!
I wonder if they're going to change the signs that say, "TESLA Vehicle Charging Only" since looks like it's specifying Tesla only vs other brands
If you’re able to do TESLA Vehicle Charging on your Bolt then it’s already correct.
The current sign can be read as "This is Tesla. This spot is for vehicle charging only.", so no change is needed. People may read it as, "This spot is for charging Tesla vehicles only", but I wouldn't support that interpretation as "TESLA" is more commonly used for the company and "Tesla" for the car.
Where can I find more info about which 2019 and 2020 bolt need software updates to use the Tesla NACS chargers. My dealer seems to know nothing about this!
the lectron vortex adapter is what gm is selling on their site granted it has the lectron name removed from what I have seen in the picture
Waiting for my bolt adapter to show up in the mail today. :D
As last th adapter works then when traveling when our on highway may having to use the Tesla. adapter in th countryside!
I'm not excited about putting my bolt on NACS even less so on Tesla chargers, hopefully it gets easier in a year or two, no rush
Something to be aware of is this adapter only works with V3 and above Superchargers, so those are the only ones that will show up on that map of available Tesla chargers for the Chevy EV's. Also if there is a Tesla Supercharger station that has both V2 & V3 I think its treated like a V2 station and that will not appear on the map either. For example in my area there are 10 or 12 Supercharger stations that show up on my Tesla map BUT when I look at the map in my Equinox EV it only shows 3 Supercharger stations because those 3 are exclusively V3.
How long does it take to charge a bolt to 80% at one of these?
Getting more charging options will make me feel a lot more secure. Thank hunk of plastic and copper shouldn't cost $250, but I guess I can't make it myself.
It may sooth your pain to hear that my CCS-to-Tesla adapter was $175.
What was it charging at?
A max of 55kw
I too have a '17 Bolt. Thank you so much for your video, it cleared things up that the other guys left a little muddy. I don't think you mentioned that I need to have OnStar enabled in order for the app to function properly and in order to charge on Tesla chargers. I'm so happy to give GM $14 a month so that I can charge on Tesla chargers. Do ICE vehicle owners pay 14 bucks a month to fuel up at a Shell station? I don't think so. I'm guessing they're trying to recoup a little cash from what they've been paying Tesla for emissions credits. GM is absolutely the worst. I can't wait for my Aptera.
You could skip the Chevy app and use the Tesla app… But that’s up to you - Nikki
Very cool!
OK...what time of what day are you at that supercharger site where it's almost empty?!? I'm a local and every time I'm over there it's always packed full!
In my area Superchargers charge 36 cents per kWh while EA charges 48 cents per kWh making Superchargers 25% cheaper than EA. If you are going to claim that EA is cheaper you should state the rate you are paying because it might be because you are buying down the rate with a membership.
We’re currently paying $0.16 at a ChargePoint near us - I said nothing about EA - Nikki
@@transportevolved Charge Point is a bad example because they don't set the charging rate. They sell equipment and operate background network that shows availability and charges fees that the owner sets.
@@wineberryred You can argue semantics, but the truth is that there *are* cheaper charging options in the PNW. - Nikki.
@@wineberryredtraditionally, yes. Chargepoint does operate some of their own units but a majority of them they do not.
Hi Nikki. I have a '20 Bolt. I have the My Chevrolet app. I could not find any mode that showed begin charging on any station, much less Tesla. It did list stations for CCS and J1772 within a 10 mile area. However there is no screen that prompts "begin charging". I did sign up for EVGO direct plug & pay last year, but I never have had an occasion to charge away from home. Is it possible that the update is a newer app. My Chevrolet app screens appear totally different than yours. BTW I have a iPhone 15pro.
I have read that an OnStar subscription is required for the 'Public Charging' option to show in the MyChevrolet app. I plan to use the Tesla app instead.
😅 Wonder how many anecdotes we'll eventually encounter of drivers absent mindedly unplugging and leaving the connector behind, either forgetting it entirely or going a short distance down the road before remembering and making a frantic dash back to the Supercharger praying like mad that their connector is still there - at least in the early days.
Only those who are too lazy or ignorant to plug the charge cable back into the holster on the dispenser, where it belongs when not charging a vehicle. Those people deserve to lose their adapter.
@@wingsounds13 Probably right. But there's plenty of distracted people in a rush or with kids just wanting to plug in, charge, & go. 😂😂
@@pinkelephants1421 I would hope that the adapter is either still sticking in their charge port, or it won't fit in the holster if they pull both of them out at the same time, would lead them to remember to unplug the adapter before leaving.
@@Geckogold Hopefully so. But speaking from personal experience on the absent mindedness front, it's so easy to do truly dumb things. It's far from uncommon for me to make a point of getting ready to leave early and end up being late because I can't find my sunglasses, spend ages running around the house like a headless chicken looking for them, and wondering why I have a headache and sore eyes - because I'm (wearing) the damn things!!! 😂😂😂🤪🤪🤪
In the early days of Electrify America (2018-2020), the Chevy Spark EV could not charge on most of their CSS hardware. The Spark EV required a firmware upgrade to support latest CCS protocol, which EA was being very strict with. Since 2020 Electrify America has done mass upgrades by swapping out hardware (different brands), so am not sure the status of Chevy Spark EVs charging at EA locations.
BTW: only ~1/2 of Spark EVs actually were equipped with DC charging. Early model years did not have. They also only had a max of 3.3 kW AC charging for the ~21 kWh pack. Owners do love them, very sporty to drive.
I just got rid of my Spark EV, and EA had fixed all the charging issues, but it took 7(!) months of not being able to charge, then a year or two later a botched update left them all to charge the Spark EV at under 20kW, but that was rectified after another 7 months of waiting. The Spark EV has always been finicky with CCS charging so I'm not surprised they left it out of the update. It's software/processing capability just isn't modern.
@@TylerPinkneyyep its the earliest ccs1 designed car. Even though it speaks the same “language” as other CCS cars, its in a different dialect with a accent.
Am pretty sure the CCS protocol handshake was modified so early implementations in Spark EV and BMW i3 became finicky special cases when CCS was more widely adopted.
271... Good, and thanks for sharing! Keep Evolving!
The Bolt 2023 and later GM vehicles have Plug&Charge. Do you think it would work with SuperChargers?
is level 3 charging with a bolt really any faster than level 2 charging?
Yes, until you reach a high state of charge
Technically level 3 isn’t a thing. But DC Fast charging is faster until 85% SOC
@transportevolved Nikki, Isn't level 3 another term for DC fast charging? Perhaps it's not a correct technical term.
@@jamespaul2587 According to SAE, no - ruclips.net/video/jZBsOud4O9Q/видео.html - Nikki.
@@jamespaul2587the term level 3 is technically no longer a thing. It was originally unofficially used briefly in both AC and DC charging. Level 2 DC was also a thing.
In UK Tesla supercharger is cheapest compared to other networks
This is why employing free market ideology to compete for public infrastructure is always a nuisance
Supercharger is way cheaper than anything other than a granny cable here in Scotland, not even close.
Same in Norway. And with the CCS2 here you don't need an adapter.
@@toyotaprius79 A plan economy with politically mandated prices is also a nuisance. Pick a poison. 😄 Tesla Supercharger prices are usually reasonable, but not necessarily the lowest in the area. With a car that doesn't charge faster than about 50 kW anyway, you have many options.
Non-Teslas using Tesla Superchargers in the US pay a ten-cent surcharge, or for $13 a month they pay the same as Tesla owners.
So that’s a gm app? Because my Chevrolet app, does not look like that, or is that the Tesla app?
Yooo let’s go send it
I might be the only one that thought this, but when I saw the video title, I thought, super charger in an electrical vehicle, I wonder what that is. Maybe they're adding super caps? Maybe new motors? Maybe some way to get more power out of existing motors? Alas no, but still an interesting video. ETA: Nice touch with wearing lipstick that matched the Tesla red.
Nikki, you didn’t mention 2023 Bolt. Also, I wasn’t clear on what app you were using. Was that the Chevrolet app (and does it require a subscription)? Could you instead use the Tesla app?
We were using the Chevrolet App - and no it doesn't require a subscription AFAWK - You *could* use a Tesla app also - Nikki.
@@transportevolved Thank you, Nikki. I didn't think I would see a reply from YOU, the star of the show. I love your show. So much good information, thoughtfully presented. Or maybe it's just your accent that I like.
GM now says 2019-2020 Bolts "should" work. I it fails, then bring in for the software update
Yeah, I heard of the pricing for the Tesla Super Chargers. $0.51 kw - $0.39 with a Tesla subscription.
I see an opportunity for an entrepreneur. An extension cord! 💡! With heavy cable and quality connectors you could make a two meter cable that would allow Bolts to part like Tesla’s. And since they charge slower the current draw is lower, not being overly hindered by the added resistance.
Tesla has very clearly stated extension cords will not be allowed
Someone is working on an extension but can’t remember who it was. Think is was A to Z
Tesla has reiterated multiple times that it will ban people who use extensions. They're very unsafe for fast charging. Tesla's cables use liquid cooling - extension cables would not.
...and Ian!
No issue with my 2020
If I buy one, it will be a Ford adapter. Screw Chevy for being greedy while every other company did the right thing
funny how GM's excuse for dropping carplay/android auto from new EV's was to not tie customers to having to have a cell phone for their car... then they open supercharger network and you have to start the charging session _with your cellphone_!!! lol
If you buy the fast charging adapter, will it work on all slower tesla chargers as well. Would like to pay for only one adapter if possible. Thanks
For destination charging, you’ll need a destination charger adapter, which is different to the ccs/nacs one
@@transportevolved I was about to ask that exact question so I was looking through the comments first. Are you sure it won’t work? Would you mind trying it at a Tesla destination charger or do the instructions tell you not to?
The fast charging adapter has the DC power pins connected, but the AC pins in the J1772 part are not. So if you try adapting an AC charger with this unit, you’ll be feeding AC into the DC port, not a good idea.
@@PygKLB That makes sense thanks. Don’t try it!
10:39 This is a bit of a misunderstanding about how the Superchargers work. Because the V3 Superchargers only have 90 kW of total power per stall, a Bolt EV charging at 50 kW or even less has no impact on the charging speeds of the other EVs, and it would have no impact on how long the line is to access an open stall when the site is completely full. At that point, the "charge as long as you need but not longer" rule of etiquette applies. The bigger issue for Bolt EV drivers is that they shouldn't be wasting their own time so there's almost never a reason to occupy a stall for longer than 35 to 40 minutes.
Disagree. While you’re technically correct, being mindful you’re not occupying two spaces and taking up two supercharger stalls during busy periods is important
I have charged at the exact V3 SuperChargers Niki was demonstrating in this video, I have charged my 2024 Model Y LR at over 150kW with all stalls occupied. Not sure where you are getting the 90kW figure from.
@@jakthebomb It's based on the fact that there is only one 360 kW V3 Supercharger cabinet for every four stalls. If you were still getting 150 kW when the entire site was full, that means several stalls had to be pulling significantly less than 90 kW.
@@newscoulomb3705but that would only be the case if four cars are charging at the height of the curve current right?
@@tkmedia3866 Depends on the site. If it's a 12-stall V3 site, that's 1 MW total, so anything past the fourth Tesla, and none of them would be charging at peak power. Of course, there could be nuance depending on how Tesla prioritizes distribution, but when we're talking about the tenth, eleventh, or twelfth stall being occupied by a Bolt EV, that extra available power actually benefits everyone else who is there.
Yes, there's a concern if someone is occupying two stalls, but hopefully, Tesla owners start leaving the right-most stalls for last.
Now that Elon Musk has revealed his true colors, I can no longer support or associate with anything Tesla. I was once a wordhiper and avid follow of Musk, his vision, goals and dreams but now realize that he's just a batshit crazy megalomaniac. As an owner of a 2022 Bolt EUV with experience in and with Tesla products, I realize that Teslas are overrated, overpriced cars and charging system thai I can easily llve without. I'll give credit for Musk starting the modern EV movement but until he stops behaving like a witless child, I'll purposely avoid supporting any of his ventures.
But no love from Tesla/GM for the Spark EV, yes I own a Spark 2LT EV.
It matters the order of the connections? 🙄 Seems like a design gap there.
I think it's going to be a bit of a mess with non Teslas using two chargers at one time. The Tesla charging capacity is going to shrink by maybe a third or more and it's going to create allot of frustration and anger because a cable is a few feet short . It appears Tesla has no desire replacing them with longer cables . They are talking about extension cables that can be purchased that will be over $500 by non Tesla EVs . I don't see many doing this as it is acceptable to take up 2 spots . I am not sure if Tesla is using longer cables on new charger locations . I don't think Tesla is not motivated to do much more than what is already installed . So the hope is somebody else picks up the ball and run with it and I think that will occur . It appears there is improvement in charging outside Tesla . I think you could see charging being part of most business locations which is good for people that will spend while their vehicle charges
V4 Superchargers are being built with longer cables to accommodate cars with different port locations. We just had one open up by UCF recently in fact.
And at that price it's STILL NOT AVAILABLE as a "safe used EV".
What do I mean by "safe"? Well, if I were buying an ICE vehicle I can discern the health of the engine (and to a lesser extent the transmission) and the exhaust system etc.
With a Bolt? Don't know how. Don't know a mechanic who knows how, either?
I COULD just trust the dealership to have done THEIR "due diligence". BWAHAHAHAHAHAH *TRUST* a DEALERSHIP? Yeah, NOOOOOOOO!
Trust GM? LOL, the people who taught the dealerships to be dishonest? Yeah, .... NO!
You can learn how to do that yourself it's not that hard it's all computer,
The bolt is a safe car. Just like other used EVs, you can get them health checked.
Not sure how you got all of that out of the word "safe". Safety and reliability are two completely different things.
@@patreekotime4578 By "safe" I meant (and should have clarified) ECONOMICALLY SAFE. You're not "gambling" your full purchase price on the battery.
And yes, if you are VERY EV literate (or experienced) you *might* know how to check your Leaf or Bolt or Tesla to see if it has warning signs of battery "abuse" or failure.
I certainly DON'T, and I DON'T KNOW anyone who does. And that will keep me from buying one, all by itself.
YES, I know that a lot of it is FUD. But how much? And do I personally want to be the FUD-BUSTER? Nope. My finances no longer extend to those kinds of choices. Or risks.
Etiquette should extend the comment section and not just public charging. But that’s a legitimate question. How do you know a used EV has a healthy battery, ideally before purchasing? That sounds like a topic for a video.!
Yes, if you charge your non Tesla EV to a Tesla Supercharger you will eventually get some Elon-electrons into your car, and slowly but surely you will get to believe in all the stupid things Elon does, because you know.... science. I get it. For all I care, don't ever charge your non Tesla EV to any of the Tesla Superchargers. More chargers for me (well, any of those 4 or 5 times a year I need to, anyway).
I wonder if Musks relationship with his daughter was mended, then what would happen to Musks position in the Overton window. No matter the politics of this, I do hope that relationship gets mended. We all need to love each other more, not less.
His relationship with his son appears to be unchanged
@jamespaul2587 You are loved, and I look forward to the day that father and child can be reunited.
Do you know the political opinions of Mary Barra? Of course you don't. I guess ignorance is bliss.
What point are you trying to make?
It’s all out attack on Elon now due to him buying twitter and not censoring speech.
@@transportevolved They are responding to what you said: "Other individuals may encounter difficulties contributing funds to Tesla, and thereby Elon Musk. I personally will refrain from using this option, unless it's an emergency."
@@PhillipStewartYYZ Some people aren't okay supporting Tesla financially - they can still acknowledge the company's position, but opt for alternative solutions. That's allowed
Nice report. Thank you. What if you had a car you could just plug in, fast charge cheaply, no app, 100% reliable? There is only one man who can give this to you…. He is often wrong about political things, can be a jerk, and is not a perfect human being. My hope is that you will someday let go of your anger and embrace the joy of owning a Tesla. 😊
You’re funny. We’re not angry.
I am not angry at Elon’s politics, I just wish he could make a car with a nice interior.
I am excited that I can plug my Cadi into Tesla’s network though. I will give Elon credit for having the foresight to understand that the charger network needed to be built along with if not before most people would buy ev cars.
@@transportevolved Elon has an anti-union stance, but on deeper analysis his employees are happy and repeatedly choose not to union. Remember, unions are for the BENEFIT of employees, so if employees are happy, should you shun the one who inspires them to choose non-union?
As a former fan of Elon, the last straw was seeing on the fanboy channel on ”elons tweets of the week” he was complaining about Disney’s leaked document showing “institutional racism”. I paused and zoomed in. Apparently they strive to hire employees from all over the world. Oh the humanity!
@@5ervicemonkey There's a channel that does tweets of the week?
Thanks to Elon, the supercharger network is amazing.
I'm going to be ordering one today. Might get the upgrade so I can "supercharge" on CCS on my 2018 Model 3 too. I want all EVs to be able to supercharge on all DCFC. I know CHAEDEMO isn't going to happen in any practical way, but those are hardly being sold anymore. Also, vote for Kamala. Last thing we need is Elon mucking with our government.
Tesla app is way faster, fck the Chevy app.
Surprised you give Elon any money whatsoever - even if it’s just a few dollars for charging.
We demonstrated because people asked us to - as I noted, I’ll personally not use it much - Nikki
@@transportevolved That sounds more like you…
Good charging etiquette would be to not use a chevy bolt at a quick charger and waste space charging at abysmal speeds. The bolt is the slowest quick charging vehicle i have ever had and people need to stop attempting quick charging.
Wow. So kind. Attitudes like this spoil the EV experience.
@@transportevolved I had the pleasure of having a Chevy bolt. You cannot state that it is spoiling the experience when it ruins charging for EVERYONE. ever had to go to a shared charging stall only to find a bolt not charging full rate but leaving the other charge point in an almost useless 30kw rate? Happens ALL the time. Most common culprit? The Chevy bolt. What other car charges as slow as a Chevy bolt on a quick charger? A 10-80% charge shouldn't take 2hrs+ to do. 54kw rate only goes until about 30-35% before it plummets on the new charging curve gm loaded on every vehicle they could get ahold of. Passing that vehicle off as a quick charging ev is an insult to every other ev.
GM dropped the ball with this Tesla Supercharger access.....I don't think they have a clue what they are doing. I have not tried to charge my Bolt EV yet on a Tesla Supercharger since the closest one to me is 14 miles one way. I might get around to it one day. I have around 51000 miles on my 2017 Premier. I love many things about my Bolt EV but I am not sure I would consider another GM product in the future because when it comes to EV's I think GM is clueless.
8:01 Bast🤬🤬s!