It’s unfortunate that neither adapter worked consistently. I’m glad both companies were responsive. I hope they continue to be so, even for someone who is not reviewing their product!
Odd thought on that. My first EVgo experience in my EV6 I pulled up to a dead stall. Wouldn't connect to the car at all. pulled into the next stall and it worked great. It's a little hard to call if it's the adapter or the charger without then testing another EV to see if the charger itself is operating properly.
I get excited when I can recognize charger locations. Didn't realize they cut the branches recently. As for the adapter itself, I'm really looking forward to price to go down, UL certs for insurance, and more testing to be done. I drive my leaf a lot, and it looks like I will be driving a leaf for a long time yet it seems, so these adapters are going to be a must for me eventually
This illustrates perfectly how CCS is such a poor standard - just far too complicated for the job it has to do, leading to endless compatibility problems.
I bought the A2Z unit Mail order from Canada last summer. I haven’t tested it on every brand of charge point but I have only had one failure on a very old cabinet. It can take a minute or two to complete the handshake routines but it does get there. Someone posted a comment somewhere saying to assemble it and power up, wait for short time then insert the unit into the car. Maybe that can help for some
I'm glad that these exist now for whomever needs them, but I feel like they are a bit too late, and also, of course, too expensive. But at least we have the option now, and hopefully they eventually come down in price at least a bit. Now someone needs to make liquid-cooled retrofit battery packs for the Leaf and they'll run forever lol
Can I ask if the adapter is bidirectional.... Because I will be getting a DC bidirectional home charger and if I could use the leaf with it that would be amazing 😊
No-Do seems an appropriate name for the last charger's "Powered by" logo. I did notice a Chinese operative keeping an eye on you at the first charging station, in the back ground to the right. The A-Z battery option is a much neater method, and as for the difficulty of making/breaking the connection, I was thinking the same thing, it will loosen up over time/use. Having said that, I would much prefer something similar to the mobile 7KW charger format, with the two connectors on the ends of a cable, with a control box in the middle that also allowed you to set limits on the charging speed; although the Soul can charge at 65+KW, it was never designed for that, so there is the worry that it might cook the battery, or damage the internal circuitry over time.
as long as there's no trickery to misrepresent the cars requested amperage, then it should be within safe limits. Those 50kw chademo stations are limited by wattage, rather than amperage, at least by my impression using them
@@gutserker Although the majority of CHAdeMo charging stations were 50KW, later ones were produced that allowed up to 75 or 100KW - although TBF, they must be pretty rare, as I have never come across one - but the Soul apparently still only charges at ~48KW on them (I have seen a video of a Soul hooked up to one). Meanwhile, as an ex electronics bod who also got assigned as the company battery tech - the faster the charging speed, the more heat generated; and the more heat generated, the greater the degradation of the battery. I dont even push the full 6.6KW through using my home charger, setting it to push 5KW most of the time, and as little as 2.5KW when I am doing the monthly 100% cell balance; now; lower charging speeds DO mean less efficiency - so it costs me a few extra pennies; but that is a lot cheaper than a new battery pack. I do the same with my phones; my 2019 Xiaomi arrived with an 80mAh over provision, and 6 years later, it still has a 45mAh over provision, meaning that technically, the battery is still at 100% of it's rated capacity. The SOH on my 2016 Soul is 96.8%.
@ianemery2925 around here there's a few 100kw chademo chargers. There's an interpretation of communication protocol it seems. Those EVCS chargers they tested iirc are set to 50kw limit. The Kia soul they're using looks to be a 480v 125-130A rating, so that gets you 60-63kw output. So car says gimme more, 50kw chademo says no, but the adapter hears it and says sure up to the 130A limit. Id want to see this same test done at CCS chargers that are limited to 50kw.
@@gutserker I dont rapid charge often, but most of the places I do stop there are combined CHAdeMo and CCS2 chargers, rated up to 350KW; the CHADdeMO side only ever gives me ~48KW, in my Soul (the featured one has the problematic 30KWh battery, mine is the slightly older, but more reliable 27KWh battery.
looks like they are hard to connect to each other also can you find one that will allow to use Tesla supercharger to CCS1 to Chademo I have seen it work on RUclips
With a usual limit of 125A of the old Chademo cables and a battery-voltage of 400-ish volt, you get exactly 50kw. The 125A is usually the limiting factor. If you manage to max the amps and go over 400v you get more than 50kw. That happens rarely on these old cars (I have a Leaf ZE0), because at more than 400v the BMS usually eases off the throttle to protect the battery. Rumors say people have seen the Leaf do more than 50kw under the right circumstances on Chademo (+400V on a happy and warm battery?). I guess the adapter and installed cable allow more than 125A, which makes it possible to easily go over 50kw. If the BMS allows it. Thanks! Nice show. Can you please also talk about insurance? Use your connections to the charger manufactures and see what they say, please.
one test more.. go to a charger with CCS and ChaDeMo on the SAME unit... then test to see the number of kW you get on ChaDeMo and the Adapter.... the use I have seen.. you get a faster charge with the Adapter..then you get "nativ ChaDeMo"... the 30kWh Leaf max at 43kW ChaDeMo.. and 58kW CCS-adapted...
@ makes sense. I wish I could use rechargeable nimh batteries then. Where do you even buy an 18650? How do you know you're getting a good one. It's not a very consumer friendly battery
With very few new CHAdeMO in Europe, but CCS2 being the standard. A similar product could be interesting, if you eant an older model with CHAdeMO. I still find this video interesting, because CCS1 and CCS2 are basically the same, but different physical connector.. I expect a European model should be posseble, just with a different socket 🙂 ❤Your content as always❤
Actually, CCS2 has more detailed communication than CCS1. I don’t have time right now to read up on it fully, but apparently there is a difference there.
@jacobcarlson4010 type1 and type2 differs in how they lock the plug to the car, and they have to handle the safety related to this slightly differently. Hower, as far as I've heard, the communication protokoll is basically the same.
After watching the videos of the adapters, I'm more convinced than ever that all the various types of connections: NACS, CSS, CHadeMO , should have had 2 handles on the side for maneuvering like the refueling connectors for jetliners or the LNG/compressed NG connectors. I'm strong but there are lots of people that have various conditions which weaken their hands and arms. Also, what if you happen to have a broken hand and need to charge one handed? Also any "latches" should have levers to release instead a button. Human factors should prevail over slick cute designs.
NACS is very easy to handle one handed, especially the newer V3 and V4 cables. Handles would probably decrease it's ergonomics making it harder to use.
I’m so glad that the battery industry changed the naming scheme of cylinders. The fact that the 0 meant literally nothing in 18650 always annoyed me. 1865 is far better
If you think that Kia is dirty, you should see my little VW up! Mine looks like something found inside a pyramid 😅 I haven’t drive in a while, too must dust here.
I would love some editorual voice comments, in addition to the on screen text info. I often enjoy listening to your experience, while relaxing, and half watching. When you flash Import info on the screen, it feels similar to a presentation with a slide full of text, while the presenter takes a pause, leaving it to the audience to read it, not even summarizing the text.
Please stop usin blur, use a black box instead to hide sensitive information, blur algorithms can be reverted, they are not secure. black boxes are safer. Otherwise, very good video, theese are very important to keep legacy evs alive. greetings from Spain.
@@transportevolved I am not 100% sure, but as far as I know, all blur algorithms are reversible, please stay safe, specially with all the things going on over there.
If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a huge mistake. I understand that it could be due to ignorance, but if you want to make your money work for you...prevent inflation
It’s unfortunate that neither adapter worked consistently. I’m glad both companies were responsive. I hope they continue to be so, even for someone who is not reviewing their product!
Odd thought on that. My first EVgo experience in my EV6 I pulled up to a dead stall. Wouldn't connect to the car at all. pulled into the next stall and it worked great. It's a little hard to call if it's the adapter or the charger without then testing another EV to see if the charger itself is operating properly.
Thanks. I really appreciate the real-world experience documented as part of the review.
Standard nomenclature is to . These are CCS to chademo adapters. A2Z website agrees.
I have the Accraine adapter I use with my LEAF. I plug the adapter into the car first then plug the CCS cable into the adapter.
Such great news for CHAdeMO vehicles.
straightforward honest reporting. well done again kate.
I get excited when I can recognize charger locations. Didn't realize they cut the branches recently.
As for the adapter itself, I'm really looking forward to price to go down, UL certs for insurance, and more testing to be done. I drive my leaf a lot, and it looks like I will be driving a leaf for a long time yet it seems, so these adapters are going to be a must for me eventually
Looks super easy to use
Excellent work.
This illustrates perfectly how CCS is such a poor standard - just far too complicated for the job it has to do, leading to endless compatibility problems.
I bought the A2Z unit Mail order from Canada last summer. I haven’t tested it on every brand of charge point but I have only had one failure on a very old cabinet. It can take a minute or two to complete the handshake routines but it does get there. Someone posted a comment somewhere saying to assemble it and power up, wait for short time then insert the unit into the car. Maybe that can help for some
I'm glad that these exist now for whomever needs them, but I feel like they are a bit too late, and also, of course, too expensive. But at least we have the option now, and hopefully they eventually come down in price at least a bit. Now someone needs to make liquid-cooled retrofit battery packs for the Leaf and they'll run forever lol
Hopefully the 16 Blade by EVs Enhanced will get going again. No developments since last check, but that was a while ago.
Can I ask if the adapter is bidirectional.... Because I will be getting a DC bidirectional home charger and if I could use the leaf with it that would be amazing 😊
My head is spinning. Is this to power the house, or like a travel adapter? Sorry, we’re trying to learn more before going electric.
A travel adapter. ChaDeMo natively does bi-directional charging (so you could use the car as a house battery with the right wallbox).
No-Do seems an appropriate name for the last charger's "Powered by" logo.
I did notice a Chinese operative keeping an eye on you at the first charging station, in the back ground to the right.
The A-Z battery option is a much neater method, and as for the difficulty of making/breaking the connection, I was thinking the same thing, it will loosen up over time/use.
Having said that, I would much prefer something similar to the mobile 7KW charger format, with the two connectors on the ends of a cable, with a control box in the middle that also allowed you to set limits on the charging speed; although the Soul can charge at 65+KW, it was never designed for that, so there is the worry that it might cook the battery, or damage the internal circuitry over time.
as long as there's no trickery to misrepresent the cars requested amperage, then it should be within safe limits. Those 50kw chademo stations are limited by wattage, rather than amperage, at least by my impression using them
@@gutserker Although the majority of CHAdeMo charging stations were 50KW, later ones were produced that allowed up to 75 or 100KW - although TBF, they must be pretty rare, as I have never come across one - but the Soul apparently still only charges at ~48KW on them (I have seen a video of a Soul hooked up to one).
Meanwhile, as an ex electronics bod who also got assigned as the company battery tech - the faster the charging speed, the more heat generated; and the more heat generated, the greater the degradation of the battery.
I dont even push the full 6.6KW through using my home charger, setting it to push 5KW most of the time, and as little as 2.5KW when I am doing the monthly 100% cell balance; now; lower charging speeds DO mean less efficiency - so it costs me a few extra pennies; but that is a lot cheaper than a new battery pack.
I do the same with my phones; my 2019 Xiaomi arrived with an 80mAh over provision, and 6 years later, it still has a 45mAh over provision, meaning that technically, the battery is still at 100% of it's rated capacity.
The SOH on my 2016 Soul is 96.8%.
@ianemery2925 around here there's a few 100kw chademo chargers. There's an interpretation of communication protocol it seems. Those EVCS chargers they tested iirc are set to 50kw limit. The Kia soul they're using looks to be a 480v 125-130A rating, so that gets you 60-63kw output. So car says gimme more, 50kw chademo says no, but the adapter hears it and says sure up to the 130A limit. Id want to see this same test done at CCS chargers that are limited to 50kw.
@@gutserker I dont rapid charge often, but most of the places I do stop there are combined CHAdeMo and CCS2 chargers, rated up to 350KW; the CHADdeMO side only ever gives me ~48KW, in my Soul (the featured one has the problematic 30KWh battery, mine is the slightly older, but more reliable 27KWh battery.
looks like they are hard to connect to each other also can you find one that will allow to use Tesla supercharger to CCS1 to Chademo I have seen it work on RUclips
With a usual limit of 125A of the old Chademo cables and a battery-voltage of 400-ish volt, you get exactly 50kw. The 125A is usually the limiting factor.
If you manage to max the amps and go over 400v you get more than 50kw. That happens rarely on these old cars (I have a Leaf ZE0), because at more than 400v the BMS usually eases off the throttle to protect the battery. Rumors say people have seen the Leaf do more than 50kw under the right circumstances on Chademo (+400V on a happy and warm battery?).
I guess the adapter and installed cable allow more than 125A, which makes it possible to easily go over 50kw. If the BMS allows it.
Thanks! Nice show. Can you please also talk about insurance? Use your connections to the charger manufactures and see what they say, please.
one test more.. go to a charger with CCS and ChaDeMo on the SAME unit... then test to see the number of kW you get on ChaDeMo and the Adapter.... the use I have seen.. you get a faster charge with the Adapter..then you get "nativ ChaDeMo"... the 30kWh Leaf max at 43kW ChaDeMo.. and 58kW CCS-adapted...
For $1000 at can't include its own 18 650 battery?
Probably to comply with shipping regulations about batteries, or more likely to avoid shipping restrictions.
Probably trying to avoid the shipping hassles that come along with lithium batteries. Still a strange choice, I agree.
@ makes sense. I wish I could use rechargeable nimh batteries then. Where do you even buy an 18650? How do you know you're getting a good one. It's not a very consumer friendly battery
With very few new CHAdeMO in Europe, but CCS2 being the standard. A similar product could be interesting, if you eant an older model with CHAdeMO.
I still find this video interesting, because CCS1 and CCS2 are basically the same, but different physical connector.. I expect a European model should be posseble, just with a different socket 🙂
❤Your content as always❤
Actually, CCS2 has more detailed communication than CCS1. I don’t have time right now to read up on it fully, but apparently there is a difference there.
@jacobcarlson4010 type1 and type2 differs in how they lock the plug to the car, and they have to handle the safety related to this slightly differently.
Hower, as far as I've heard, the communication protokoll is basically the same.
I think the 50 kW limit is based on most chadamo dispensers in the US being only rated at 50 kW.
It would be just my luck, that the charging station was full of people to watch me struggle with that adapter too. 😅
I thought only Leafs had Chademo (and Zero for a year...😢) What else came with it?
Toyota Prius Plug-In,
Citroen C-Zero,
Nissan Leaf,
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV,
Nissan e-NV200,
Kia Soul EV Mk1,
Citroen Berlingo Electric Mk1
🙂
Is that a panda in the background to the left of the Evgo charger?
The soul ev definitely wanted to charge faster when I had it. I consistently would see 55kW with mine.
After watching the videos of the adapters, I'm more convinced than ever that all the various types of connections: NACS, CSS, CHadeMO , should have had 2 handles on the side for maneuvering like the refueling connectors for jetliners or the LNG/compressed NG connectors. I'm strong but there are lots of people that have various conditions which weaken their hands and arms. Also, what if you happen to have a broken hand and need to charge one handed? Also any "latches" should have levers to release instead a button. Human factors should prevail over slick cute designs.
NACS is very easy to handle one handed, especially the newer V3 and V4 cables. Handles would probably decrease it's ergonomics making it harder to use.
Might need a spotter to help get that connector back off the cable! Crazy!
I’m so glad that the battery industry changed the naming scheme of cylinders. The fact that the 0 meant literally nothing in 18650 always annoyed me. 1865 is far better
Did you mention how long the battery lasts? How much charging time/storage time?
Not really the point of the video this one was about the adapter not the car
@@KiRiTO72987yeah I'm curious about the battery life in the adapter.
If you think that Kia is dirty, you should see my little VW up! Mine looks like something found inside a pyramid 😅
I haven’t drive in a while, too must dust here.
Why would you need to supply your own 1865?
Mitsubishi has a hybrid suv with chademo
I would love some editorual voice comments, in addition to the on screen text info.
I often enjoy listening to your experience, while relaxing, and half watching. When you flash Import info on the screen, it feels similar to a presentation with a slide full of text, while the presenter takes a pause, leaving it to the audience to read it, not even summarizing the text.
I like both of your channels because I like EVs and I am also in the LGBT community also I love cars
Charging on cold, wet days is bad enough as it is without having to spend an age fighting with an adapter.
Having to press that hard against the ground is not that great when it is covered in snow.
Did you know that car needs a was… oh. Nevermind.
I appreciate their upfrontness about paying for a repair...but who wants to deal with that...I dont like that it seemed like you were a beta tester.
First!!
Please stop usin blur, use a black box instead to hide sensitive information, blur algorithms can be reverted, they are not secure. black boxes are safer.
Otherwise, very good video, theese are very important to keep legacy evs alive. greetings from Spain.
This is not a YT blur.
@@transportevolved I am not 100% sure, but as far as I know, all blur algorithms are reversible, please stay safe, specially with all the things going on over there.
$1,365 + tax + shipping for something that doesn't work dependably? Yeah, right. No thanks. No wonder people hate EV's.
Do you mean to say no wonder people hate adapters/converters? Anyway people love EVs.
If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a huge mistake. I understand that it could be due to ignorance, but if you want to make your money work for you...prevent inflation